And Ventress was... Both* (not necessarily a complete Jedi) * Trained first by a Jedi, after that by Dooku (not a Jedi anymore) and then trained with Quinlan..
Brad Rau, one of the executive producers on The Bad Batch, said we’d find out why and how Ventress is back and they’ll do it in a way that won’t retcon and will honor the events of Dark Disciple.
@@joshuajohnson1796 Well, I have been thinking about that, and I believe I have a potential answer that would line up with many of the themes and parts of the plot we have seen from the Bad Batch TV series, not to mention some other major pieces of recent Star Wars live-action media, like the 7th episode of Season 3 of the Mandalorian, where the Imperial Warlords and Moffs gathered together. And that answer is summed up with two important words we got from that meeting of the Imperial Shadow Council: Project Necromancer. Or in other words, the innovative cloning project that Palpatine funded in secret to try to have acceptable enough backup clones of himself that were enough of a healthy and psychological biological match to hold his Dark side spirit, Force-sensitivity, and memories. It was a tall order, since in both the Legends and Canon continuities it is shown that cloning Force-sensitives is way more complicated, especially if the biology of the template is tainted by Dark Side corruption damaging the health and/or genetic material of the individual in question. And Sidious embodied the physical consequences of Dark Side corruption more than most Sith Lords we have seen. Now, you may be asking, what does this have to do with Ventress? Well, we know that Palpatine struggled for several decades with this unprecedented cloning project, and even by Episode IX, he was not physically well for most of the movie, despite the best efforts of the cloners from Project Necromancer. In fact, this place was reintroduced into the canon from the original Thrawn trilogy in Bad Batch itself, and it is all but flat-out confirmed in the second season of the show that it played a crucial role in the early stages of Project Necromancer: Mount Tantiss, a mountain on the planet Weyland, that hosted the Weyland Facility. The Empire relocated its cloning program from Kamino to the Weyland facility at the end of Bad Batch Season 1, establishing it as the headquarters for the secret Advanced Science Division. Medical personnel, including the kidnapped Nala Se, were brought to Mount Tantiss for the cloning effort. More intriguingly, in the Legends continuity, Mount Tantiss was home to Palpatine’s secret storehouses, including thousands of Spaarti Cloning Cillinders that could be used to accelerate the growth of a clone to the point they would become young adults within a year. So, the producers have made the deliberate choice of making the installation related to Imperial cloning technology in both continuities. But precisely because of this and more, it stands to reason that Palpatine had his team of scientists experiment with cloning other Force-sensitive individuals while they tried to figure out how to get all of this done to the Emperor’s highly demanding standards of satisfaction. More to the point, given the circumstances, using biological samples from Force users who used the Dark Side for a long time, even if they turned from that path eventually, would probably be ideal for their research, given the nature of their overall goal. Take all of this into account, along with their out-of-universe confirmation that they are not planning to retcon Dark Disciple and for the moment, I believe there is sufficient evidence to believe that the suspiciously no longer bald Ventress we saw in the trailer… ...could, in fact, be a Spaarti-grown clone of Ventress. As for her obvious skills with a lightsaber we saw in the trailer, well, that could also be explained away in these circumstances by a previous precedent from the Legends continuity of cloning they could plausibly mine as well. Back then, immense efforts were spent by Vader and his team of Kaminoan scientists to produce an acceptable, Force-sensitive clone of Galen Marek/Starkiller, as shown during the events of the Force Unleashed II video game. Long story short, the Kaminoans developed a “memory flash” technique into the cloning process to help the quickly grown clones of Starkiller “remember” the lightsaber skills and Force abilities of his biological template. Still, while it was admittedly a major innovation in the field of cloning, it was also an imperfect process, though, and most of the clones they tried this on were discarded because they grew mad or at least, they did not meet Vader’s psychological standards when he tested them. So, I believe there are enough precedents in place and enough will and logic behind Sidious's overall goals with Project Necromancer to consider the possibility that he would task his scientists to develop such cloning techniques through experimentation so that he could eventually have a breakthrough that would allow him to not just body jump into his clones but to do so effectively without easily and quickly burning through their health, as it happened in the Dark Empire comics from the old Expanded Universe. Now, even if that’s the explanation they will go for, I have no idea where they will take a clone of Ventress in Bad Batch Season 3, especially one that has echoes of her template’s memories that give her some identity crisis issues, even if they also grant her the muscle memory and skills Ventress had. But I feel like if they do go down that route to avoid undermining their efforts to establish a consistent, multi-media continuity, there is a lot of storytelling potential to be found in this situation. Either way, I am really looking forward to Bad Batch Season 3.
Ventress here (with the hair and yellow saber) looks like how she did during the cancelled "Dark Disciple" clone wars arc which is 1 of 10 arcs Disney sadly cancelled after taking over Star Wars. I would love to see "Dark Disciple" return to screen and in general more of this Ventress. At least "Dark Disciple" was turned into a book of the same name. Maybe this means we could see more of her and Quinlan Vos (also from "Dark Disciple") in the future? I would love to see that.
The mask is the same mask that the assisn in S2 had. The one that killed the clone Slip and tried to kill Sen Tutchi(sp). As for Assajj, I bet she was resurrected on Dathomir, at least I hope. I really liked Ventress and I hate that they killed her off in the book, so I hope they have more story to tell. Disney released a statement saying that they are not reconning the book.
I don't think I understand what you mean? How is Ventress being resurrected stifle the franchise from moving forward? This is a sincere question.@@janekfilipowski9119
@@janekfilipowski9119tech absolutely is dead, it would be stupid if not. Ventress not dying is valid tbf, an offscreen death for her isnt really a great end for her anyways, especially considering how messy the final act in the book was anyways. A slight retcon wouldnt be an issue imo.
We know from Kenobi that Quinlan Vos survived - and I would LOVE to see them both have a happy ending- maybe getting a ship and heading for the Outer Regions and just leaving the Empire and all of that madness behind.
Crosshair was with them in a few shots, we can see his armor and sniper rifle in some shots. Also bet on nightsister magik having ressurected Ventress. Qinlan and Obi left her body in the mystic waters in Danthomir at the end of the book Dark Disciple.
Yes, we have seen that helmet and body armor in season 2. It's the clone assassin who tried to kill senator Chuchi. It is implied that Lama Su is making these brainwashed clone assassin's for Hemlock.
So, if you look at Omega in the trailer, it shows to different time frames. She has her hair from Season 2 then she has a buzz cut on her left side of her head with most of her hair being on her right side
The deal with Dark Disciple was that, - by the way Omn1Media, BBY is translated as Before the Battle of Yavin IV and the years are categorized as a countdown to Episode 4 of the Original Trilogy -, the Jedi Order was supposed to be guardians of peace and justice but the book had them order an assassination attempt on Count Dooku, which is something they aren’t supposed to do which is why the majority of people hate the book.
I think some people are failing to understand that bad batch takes place during 18-19BBY (Star Wars timeline) and Dark Disciple takes place in 20BBY. So it’s not exactly retconned, they still have the opportunity to do it during this season or just off screen or something.
This looks so freaking gooood, not long to wait so excited!!! Ventress is back I’m so happy when I heard her voice I went nuts she’s one of my favourite clone Wars characters. I’m little sad that it’s gonna be the last one 😢
So …. I’m right with you. As much as I love Ventress, she was dead as dead could be after Dark Disciple and I thought that book was a very fitting end for the character. Now, the Star Wars Twitter account did put out a message from Exec Producer Brad Rau shortly after dropping the trailer that states “any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.” How that happens without some amount of retconning, I have no idea. I’m intrigued, to say the least, on how they’re gonna justify her place in this series.
I really don't like the way Filoni tries to retcon those things to fit his vision.He did the same with Ahsoka in Tales of the Jedi and he didn't even consult the writer whose book he was retconning.
@@janekfilipowski9119 Well Ahsoka is his character, he can do whatever he wants with her story and if he decides that the book is not canon or it's retcon, is ok, because is his creation, he has the finale say on it, same with Ventress.
@@TheDarkOne1920 Then why give the author permission to write a book about Ahsoka if he ends up retconning it anyway?He created Ahsoka and he has the right to do that but come on.Where's the logic in that?
@@janekfilipowski9119 Is completely logical, just because you had the permission to write a story you don't get the final say on what happens to that character. The creator will always have the final say. Poeple don't always share the same creative perspectives, while you can interpret a character story this way I can have another interpretation, but in this case the creator of the character had another interpretation, and retcon just a little bit to his vision of his own creation. Tales of the Jedi, only retcon very little of the Ahsoka book, pretty much almost everything stayed the same, they just didn't show everything on tales of the Jedi.
Media to answer your questions 1.that helmet looks like a Combine Soldiers Helmet from Half Life 2 2.How long has Omega been waiting my guess is I’d say a year in a half so most likely this takes place in 18BBY 3.The Clone Resistance I’m guessing their movement has gained some momentum since the last time we saw them so most likely the situation for them is about climax 4.As for Ventress I believe Brad Rau posted something on SW website detailing how Ventress has returned
Seen a lot of people jumping to conclusions that this is a retcon but the showrunners specifically said it will aline with Dark Disciple. Could very well just be a flashback to set up Quinlan Vos return in present day, would make sense as we got that name drop in Kenobi too.
Shhhhh, you are making too much sense. We haven't seen ONE episode and people are already crying. They have no idea how this will work out but it already " big mistake to bring Ventress back." The idea of waiting and seeing is lost on a lot of "fans."
It is definitely sad that there is only going to be 3 seasons of Bad Batch, but all good things must come to an end at some point. I'm excited to see what becomes of Clone Force 99 at the end of their road... along with what MIGHT happen to Rex before his sequester to Seelos along with Wolf and Gregor. I'm also very excited to see some events, either leading up to or during Dark Disciple. I think it would be AWESOME to see more of Quinlan Vos' story during this time as well and maybe get some nuggets of information as to how he ties to the Obi-Wan Kenobi series and "The Path." The last thing for me would be how Omega's 'sister' clone ties into all of this and how her story ties into the larger narrative of the clones themselves. Either way, I'm just excited to have more Star Wars. :)
Two theories, its a trick and Ventress is only appearing as a flashback for someone else and they cut it to make it seem she was fighting the batch, or given the Night Sister love of bringing people back to life, we can say that this is another case of it. I do remeber there was some night sister fuckery going on during her "funeral" so maybe she was only nearly dead, hard to say.
I think the harsh reality is for many hardcore Star Wars fans is that most people who watch these shows have 0 interest in the books or comics. Many people don’t actually know of Dark Disciple so having Ventress just be a character to randomly disappear after the Clone Wars won’t make any sense for most viewers. So a potentially loose adaptation of Dark Disciple where Ventress will have actual closure makes sense to do. Again it’s the harsh reality, most people don’t read the books, so many great stories go to waste cause they get thrown into a novel that, while selling well, will never be known by the general audience
I have a feeling the bad batch is going to really disrupt the empire ..maybe that's why it takes so long for the death star to be built.. but yeah, everyone dies. I bet hopefully but I have a feeling they're never going to kill off omega. If they do, I'll be shocked.
Could this be the recently deceased Asajj Ventress? Death and resurrection are common deceptions played out by both night sister and Jedi alike. For now, we shall consider Asajj Vetress alive until we know otherwise.
Dark disciple were a batch of scrapped CW episodes, some Dave wrote himself. So it would be odd if he disregarded his own writings. That being said, I’m hyped. I can tell this is gonna be really good, everything besides resistance in the animation front has been phenomenal. So I’m expecting a lot. I’m just hoping they have rock solid logic because I don’t think you could explain it like maul
Dooku kills her though, how's that supposed to work when he died in RotS? (exept for flashbacks of course, or she just didn't die during their encounter or was cloned somehow)
Crosshair is the first of the Deathtroopers. That is what rhe remaining clones will become. YES! Asage Ventress lives. Ahsoka did not kill her in the Corussant Underworld. And she now wields an amber lightsaber. Read DARK DISCIPLE to learn more. The Boys get the band back together for the ultimate rescue mission.....OMEGA !!
Only Qui-Gon dies and stays dead in Star Wars lol. Everyone else can come back. We never saw Ventress die on screen, and most don't even know about Dark Disciple, myself included. So it doesn't really count then. It's also possible that these are flash backs, cause Ventress and Qinlan Voss were together when the Bad Batch was around doing missions...we just never knew they crossed paths before. Screen time wise, last we saw of Ventress she was a bounty hunter doing her own thing. She could also be a clone that Palps made thanks to Omega's specialness. Whatever it is. Imagine Palps was trying to clone all his old allies/pawns so there could be a clone Dooku lol.
Please don’t kill my girl Ventress, she’s been in a long journey similar to Ahsoka, I’m hoping she isn’t and Filoni change the sacred timeline for good
@@killingpoptartsfacts reactors should give it a chance, they give the worst tv shows and movies a chance, I want to see my guy Mike at least react to the pilot it would mean a lot even if it’s not the entire series
Hahaha talk about a wish come true. I asked you on Saturday which Star Wars show is up next 😂 It will be a sad ending. More death and the last season 😢
I Love Ventress (What if She is still with Vos?) and they Both are either Bounty Hunter's or with the Empire or Hired to Free the Kid (Omega ) Either way this Looks amazing!
This Ventress is probably a flashback of the person she saved because she is a bounty hunter. The hilt of the lightsaber is different from Dark Disciple and is similar to her old one. We need to check if it's the same hilt. Ventress: I wasn't planning on killing you but you making it very tempting This is someone Ventress most likely knows and doesn't necessarily like.
I could see Ventress coming back by way of some Nightsister magic. Which is fine because I like the character. However Idk why they want to keep bringing more force users into the post prequel trilogy era
yes, but BBY is like BC, a negative, it counts up to the Battle of Yavin, so 18 Years Before the Battle of Yavin, is 1 year AFTER 19 Years before the Battle of Yavin.
There’s going to be 15 episodes. Tbh I’m happy we’re slightly ignoring the books. I always loved Ventress so to find out she died off screen was disappointing.
Now I love Ventress and I mean LOVE Ventress but unless this is a flashback which it probably isn’t, that means she was resurrected despite having a great ending. The death doesn’t matter criticism of Star Wars gains more weight almost every year now it seems.
After Palpatine and now Ventress, who is next ? Barriss Offee ? I not mad, love the new look (better than bald succubus), the light side seem to be one hell of moisturizer.
@@Agherosh Pretty sure she was killed during order 66, after reintegrating the jedi order (and just for that, it need to be retcon), Edit : Yes, after checking, it isn't canon (what is canon at this point ?). She would have be a better antagonist for Ahsoka in her TV show.
@@vincentvoillot6365 Last time she was seen was being arrested by the Jedi. Yes, people have been wondering and asking about her appearing but so far no luck.
@@Agherosh In legends ( so canon before Disney ? ), she died during order 66 said wookieepedia. After the wrong jedi, i was really curious about the character. I think she would had an even greater motivation for finding another way of the force than Baylan Skoll.
This season is happening nearly concurrently with Dark Disciple, so there’s no (yet) having her avoid death or anything, she’s still just alive at this time
@jasonmarbach7800 no? Ventress was killed by dooku during the clone wars. Vos then returned her to the nightsisters. Also dave is barely involved with this
@@laughingfox1606yeah I know Dave has little to do with this, but didn’t she die around 19 BBY? And isn’t this show set around 20? I get there’s some weirdness happening with Order 66, which she’s supposed to be dead for, happening at the beginning of Bad Batch, but aren’t the timelines kind of mixed up in here writ large?
@jasonmarbach7800 no, ventress died 19bby, during the final year of the clone wars. Bad batch is set after the clone wars. Around 19-17 bby, since BB doesn't actually give any indication of how much time passes between season
Ventress' death in Dark Disciple being retconned gives off the impression that everything not on-screen in Star Wars is just licenced fanfiction. Disney can deny that all they want, it's still undermines their own continuity...
Or the whole Star Wars community can have patience and wait till February 21, wich is not that far and watch what exactly do they do withe character. But the Star Wars community will be always toxic...
@@TheDarkOne1920 I think you expect way too much of the online audience (of anything in production or announced) to be patient and wait until it's out, impatience is the only way to go for them. I'm with you though. The people online loves always bashing everything into the ground as if they already saw the future. Listening to them makes you feel like the world would end any second now.
@@firecat4529 Yeah I just sometimes like to give the benefit of the doubt, because have turn so hateful and toxic and I just want good fandoms and communities again, no you can't even say you like something without getting death threats or being redicule of just liking something. And yeah I don't understand why poeple formulate an opinion without not even having the show available to watch. They just say everything will suck. Same happened with the Ahsoka show, were is wasen't even on the third episode yet and poeple were saying there's wasen't any character development happening. I'm just saying watch the show first in its complition and then say you don't like it, and give actual reasons why. But oh well that is hoping to much from the poeple on the internet sadly.
It's always "bUt BuT dISnEy KiLlIeD sTaR wArS!!" They claim they will never watch again but stay in every comment section whining about how much they hate the show.@@TheDarkOne1920
@@mochacashmere Literally and not only in star wars media in everything. I don't get how poeple how so much time to comment on this that they hate with passion or watch reactions about stuff they hate. Like is so emotional draining to watch things that you enjoy and not be to fully enjoy it without poeple just purely hating on it, is not criticism, is pure hate. They don't explain why they don't like it, they don't give props for the things that the movies/shows did good, they only focus on the negative and how horrible the movie/show was. And they don't stop there, they need everyone to know they hate product. Mentaly healthy people will just walk away and forget about the things you don't like, because you don't want to interact with that anymore. A lot of poeple need therapy and need to realize that movies/shows are not a big deal and if they don't like something they can stop interacting with the things they don't like. I kinda feel sorry for them, they spend so much energy and time just spreding hate, is really sad.
Ventress has always been one of my Favorite characters... I hated her Death in the book... But this feels wrong... I mean they can't just move the book timewise... the whole Point of the Entire Book was to kill Doku... who is already dead now.
I have been forced to unsubscribe. I hate trailers and channels that plaster the major things in trailers all over their thumbnails, assuming that everyone watches trailers and spoiling parts of the comibg show has become far too common in sub feed. Peace.
Thrawn said, "Death and reserection are common deceptions played out by Jedi and Night Sisters"
resurrections*
And Ventress was... Both* (not necessarily a complete Jedi)
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Trained first by a Jedi, after that by Dooku (not a Jedi anymore) and then trained with Quinlan..
@@matheusmedeiros3349so she’s had basically everything. Night sister blood/magic, Jedi training and Sith training.
And from Obi-Wan's experience, the Sith don't stay dead.
Brad Rau, one of the executive producers on The Bad Batch, said we’d find out why and how Ventress is back and they’ll do it in a way that won’t retcon and will honor the events of Dark Disciple.
Yet he states her character apparently perished which tells me they are switching things up and likely having her survive those events
@@joshuajohnson1796 That wasn’t him that said it. It was the press release who said that.
@@joshuajohnson1796 Well, I have been thinking about that, and I believe I have a potential answer that would line up with many of the themes and parts of the plot we have seen from the Bad Batch TV series, not to mention some other major pieces of recent Star Wars live-action media, like the 7th episode of Season 3 of the Mandalorian, where the Imperial Warlords and Moffs gathered together.
And that answer is summed up with two important words we got from that meeting of the Imperial Shadow Council:
Project Necromancer.
Or in other words, the innovative cloning project that Palpatine funded in secret to try to have acceptable enough backup clones of himself that were enough of a healthy and psychological biological match to hold his Dark side spirit, Force-sensitivity, and memories.
It was a tall order, since in both the Legends and Canon continuities it is shown that cloning Force-sensitives is way more complicated, especially if the biology of the template is tainted by Dark Side corruption damaging the health and/or genetic material of the individual in question. And Sidious embodied the physical consequences of Dark Side corruption more than most Sith Lords we have seen.
Now, you may be asking, what does this have to do with Ventress? Well, we know that Palpatine struggled for several decades with this unprecedented cloning project, and even by Episode IX, he was not physically well for most of the movie, despite the best efforts of the cloners from Project Necromancer. In fact, this place was reintroduced into the canon from the original Thrawn trilogy in Bad Batch itself, and it is all but flat-out confirmed in the second season of the show that it played a crucial role in the early stages of Project Necromancer:
Mount Tantiss, a mountain on the planet Weyland, that hosted the Weyland Facility. The Empire relocated its cloning program from Kamino to the Weyland facility at the end of Bad Batch Season 1, establishing it as the headquarters for the secret Advanced Science Division. Medical personnel, including the kidnapped Nala Se, were brought to Mount Tantiss for the cloning effort. More intriguingly, in the Legends continuity, Mount Tantiss was home to Palpatine’s secret storehouses, including thousands of Spaarti Cloning Cillinders that could be used to accelerate the growth of a clone to the point they would become young adults within a year. So, the producers have made the deliberate choice of making the installation related to Imperial cloning technology in both continuities.
But precisely because of this and more, it stands to reason that Palpatine had his team of scientists experiment with cloning other Force-sensitive individuals while they tried to figure out how to get all of this done to the Emperor’s highly demanding standards of satisfaction. More to the point, given the circumstances, using biological samples from Force users who used the Dark Side for a long time, even if they turned from that path eventually, would probably be ideal for their research, given the nature of their overall goal.
Take all of this into account, along with their out-of-universe confirmation that they are not planning to retcon Dark Disciple and for the moment, I believe there is sufficient evidence to believe that the suspiciously no longer bald Ventress we saw in the trailer…
...could, in fact, be a Spaarti-grown clone of Ventress.
As for her obvious skills with a lightsaber we saw in the trailer, well, that could also be explained away in these circumstances by a previous precedent from the Legends continuity of cloning they could plausibly mine as well. Back then, immense efforts were spent by Vader and his team of Kaminoan scientists to produce an acceptable, Force-sensitive clone of Galen Marek/Starkiller, as shown during the events of the Force Unleashed II video game.
Long story short, the Kaminoans developed a “memory flash” technique into the cloning process to help the quickly grown clones of Starkiller “remember” the lightsaber skills and Force abilities of his biological template. Still, while it was admittedly a major innovation in the field of cloning, it was also an imperfect process, though, and most of the clones they tried this on were discarded because they grew mad or at least, they did not meet Vader’s psychological standards when he tested them.
So, I believe there are enough precedents in place and enough will and logic behind Sidious's overall goals with Project Necromancer to consider the possibility that he would task his scientists to develop such cloning techniques through experimentation so that he could eventually have a breakthrough that would allow him to not just body jump into his clones but to do so effectively without easily and quickly burning through their health, as it happened in the Dark Empire comics from the old Expanded Universe.
Now, even if that’s the explanation they will go for, I have no idea where they will take a clone of Ventress in Bad Batch Season 3, especially one that has echoes of her template’s memories that give her some identity crisis issues, even if they also grant her the muscle memory and skills Ventress had. But I feel like if they do go down that route to avoid undermining their efforts to establish a consistent, multi-media continuity, there is a lot of storytelling potential to be found in this situation.
Either way, I am really looking forward to Bad Batch Season 3.
Having Ventress die offscreen was lame anyway. I’m glad she’s back
Ventress here (with the hair and yellow saber) looks like how she did during the cancelled "Dark Disciple" clone wars arc which is 1 of 10 arcs Disney sadly cancelled after taking over Star Wars. I would love to see "Dark Disciple" return to screen and in general more of this Ventress. At least "Dark Disciple" was turned into a book of the same name.
Maybe this means we could see more of her and Quinlan Vos (also from "Dark Disciple") in the future? I would love to see that.
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!
She needs to half of season of tales of the Jedi season two just for her
As someone who loves and read Dark Disciples I am so happy they are bringing her back! It was so disappointing the way she went out.
Ventress' VA becomes the weapon thing at Malachor during Ahoska's fight with Darth vader in Rebels.
I was so happy to hear Ventress’ voice having her back opens up a lot of possibilities especially if she survives the season
The mask is the same mask that the assisn in S2 had. The one that killed the clone Slip and tried to kill Sen Tutchi(sp). As for Assajj, I bet she was resurrected on Dathomir, at least I hope. I really liked Ventress and I hate that they killed her off in the book, so I hope they have more story to tell. Disney released a statement saying that they are not reconning the book.
Resurrecting characters won't help this franchise move forward.If it turns out that Tech isn't dead this season, its gonna be a huge L.
I don't think I understand what you mean? How is Ventress being resurrected stifle the franchise from moving forward? This is a sincere question.@@janekfilipowski9119
@@janekfilipowski9119to that I say who cares if it does happen great
if it doesn’t also great.
@@janekfilipowski9119tech absolutely is dead, it would be stupid if not. Ventress not dying is valid tbf, an offscreen death for her isnt really a great end for her anyways, especially considering how messy the final act in the book was anyways. A slight retcon wouldnt be an issue imo.
We know from Kenobi that Quinlan Vos survived - and I would LOVE to see them both have a happy ending- maybe getting a ship and heading for the Outer Regions and just leaving the Empire and all of that madness behind.
Crosshair was with them in a few shots, we can see his armor and sniper rifle in some shots. Also bet on nightsister magik having ressurected Ventress. Qinlan and Obi left her body in the mystic waters in Danthomir at the end of the book Dark Disciple.
I adore Ventress so I really hope she gets a happy ending and isn’t just dead. I want her and Vos to fuck off into the sunset and live a happy life.
Yes, we have seen that helmet and body armor in season 2. It's the clone assassin who tried to kill senator Chuchi. It is implied that Lama Su is making these brainwashed clone assassin's for Hemlock.
So, if you look at Omega in the trailer, it shows to different time frames. She has her hair from Season 2 then she has a buzz cut on her left side of her head with most of her hair being on her right side
The deal with Dark Disciple was that, - by the way Omn1Media, BBY is translated as Before the Battle of Yavin IV and the years are categorized as a countdown to Episode 4 of the Original Trilogy -, the Jedi Order was supposed to be guardians of peace and justice but the book had them order an assassination attempt on Count Dooku, which is something they aren’t supposed to do which is why the majority of people hate the book.
There was also a Wolffe CC-3636 clone commander)
Things are getting interesting.
I think some people are failing to understand that bad batch takes place during 18-19BBY (Star Wars timeline) and Dark Disciple takes place in 20BBY. So it’s not exactly retconned, they still have the opportunity to do it during this season or just off screen or something.
AAAA I’m so excited! I really doubt it’s going to have a happy ending, but I’m hoping at least one of the characters do… 😭 this is so exciting!
This looks so freaking gooood, not long to wait so excited!!! Ventress is back I’m so happy when I heard her voice I went nuts she’s one of my favourite clone Wars characters. I’m little sad that it’s gonna be the last one 😢
So …. I’m right with you. As much as I love Ventress, she was dead as dead could be after Dark Disciple and I thought that book was a very fitting end for the character. Now, the Star Wars Twitter account did put out a message from Exec Producer Brad Rau shortly after dropping the trailer that states “any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.” How that happens without some amount of retconning, I have no idea. I’m intrigued, to say the least, on how they’re gonna justify her place in this series.
I really don't like the way Filoni tries to retcon those things to fit his vision.He did the same with Ahsoka in Tales of the Jedi and he didn't even consult the writer whose book he was retconning.
I don’t think killing off an important character offscreen is a fitting end at all.
@@janekfilipowski9119 Well Ahsoka is his character, he can do whatever he wants with her story and if he decides that the book is not canon or it's retcon, is ok, because is his creation, he has the finale say on it, same with Ventress.
@@TheDarkOne1920 Then why give the author permission to write a book about Ahsoka if he ends up retconning it anyway?He created Ahsoka and he has the right to do that but come on.Where's the logic in that?
@@janekfilipowski9119 Is completely logical, just because you had the permission to write a story you don't get the final say on what happens to that character. The creator will always have the final say. Poeple don't always share the same creative perspectives, while you can interpret a character story this way I can have another interpretation, but in this case the creator of the character had another interpretation, and retcon just a little bit to his vision of his own creation.
Tales of the Jedi, only retcon very little of the Ahsoka book, pretty much almost everything stayed the same, they just didn't show everything on tales of the Jedi.
Media to answer your questions
1.that helmet looks like a Combine Soldiers Helmet from Half Life 2
2.How long has Omega been waiting my guess is I’d say a year in a half so most likely this takes place in 18BBY
3.The Clone Resistance I’m guessing their movement has gained some momentum since the last time we saw them so most likely the situation for them is about climax
4.As for Ventress I believe Brad Rau posted something on SW website detailing how Ventress has returned
Seen a lot of people jumping to conclusions that this is a retcon but the showrunners specifically said it will aline with Dark Disciple. Could very well just be a flashback to set up Quinlan Vos return in present day, would make sense as we got that name drop in Kenobi too.
Shhhhh, you are making too much sense. We haven't seen ONE episode and people are already crying. They have no idea how this will work out but it already " big mistake to bring Ventress back." The idea of waiting and seeing is lost on a lot of "fans."
Finally someone who makes sense!!! thank you!@@mochacashmere
It is definitely sad that there is only going to be 3 seasons of Bad Batch, but all good things must come to an end at some point. I'm excited to see what becomes of Clone Force 99 at the end of their road... along with what MIGHT happen to Rex before his sequester to Seelos along with Wolf and Gregor. I'm also very excited to see some events, either leading up to or during Dark Disciple. I think it would be AWESOME to see more of Quinlan Vos' story during this time as well and maybe get some nuggets of information as to how he ties to the Obi-Wan Kenobi series and "The Path." The last thing for me would be how Omega's 'sister' clone ties into all of this and how her story ties into the larger narrative of the clones themselves. Either way, I'm just excited to have more Star Wars. :)
VENTRESS FUCK YES
Two theories, its a trick and Ventress is only appearing as a flashback for someone else and they cut it to make it seem she was fighting the batch, or given the Night Sister love of bringing people back to life, we can say that this is another case of it.
I do remeber there was some night sister fuckery going on during her "funeral" so maybe she was only nearly dead, hard to say.
She could have crossed paths with the Bad Batch back when she was doing her thing as Bounty Hunter, we just never knew they crossed paths till now.
Season 3 of "Bad Batch" takes place 20 years before Yavin and "Dark Diciple" 19 BBY...it's true
That's not Ventress. That's a fast aged Omega with a memory engram.
Just did my reaction! yo Bane is one thing .... Ventress is another!
This looks INCREDIBLE
That mask looks like the one the "Believer" Clone in Bad Batch episodes 7 and 8 was wearing.
ASAJJJJJJJ!!!!!!!!!!!! IM CRYING SO MUCH
I think the harsh reality is for many hardcore Star Wars fans is that most people who watch these shows have 0 interest in the books or comics. Many people don’t actually know of Dark Disciple so having Ventress just be a character to randomly disappear after the Clone Wars won’t make any sense for most viewers. So a potentially loose adaptation of Dark Disciple where Ventress will have actual closure makes sense to do. Again it’s the harsh reality, most people don’t read the books, so many great stories go to waste cause they get thrown into a novel that, while selling well, will never be known by the general audience
She's a night sister, anything is possible.
Friendly reminder that ignoring "canon" books has happened before Filoni was hired for Clone Wars.
I have a feeling the bad batch is going to really disrupt the empire ..maybe that's why it takes so long for the death star to be built.. but yeah, everyone dies. I bet hopefully but I have a feeling they're never going to kill off omega. If they do, I'll be shocked.
The night sisters resurrected her and gave her a new ‘do.
I hope the final season culminates in the Clone Rebellion, on Tantiss perhaps. The last stand of the Grand Army of the Republic.
15 episodes confirmed
Could this be the recently deceased Asajj Ventress? Death and resurrection are common deceptions played out by both night sister and Jedi alike. For now, we shall consider Asajj Vetress alive until we know otherwise.
Dark disciple were a batch of scrapped CW episodes, some Dave wrote himself. So it would be odd if he disregarded his own writings. That being said, I’m hyped. I can tell this is gonna be really good, everything besides resistance in the animation front has been phenomenal. So I’m expecting a lot. I’m just hoping they have rock solid logic because I don’t think you could explain it like maul
Seems the only person who dies and stays dead is Qui-Gon in the entire franchise lol.
If they push a timeline a year or two, I'm fine with that. I'm just excited for more 'Asajj' in my life!
Dooku kills her though, how's that supposed to work when he died in RotS? (exept for flashbacks of course, or she just didn't die during their encounter or was cloned somehow)
@@firecat4529 I guess we'll find out in February! 🤓
@@auntvesuvi3872 To be fair Ventress is a night sister, so she might of just been resurrected somehow.
@@StarwardHorizons That's what I'm hoping for! 🤞🤞
@@StarwardHorizonsthis is what I’m hoping for. Some Nightsister magic resurrection because of her ultimate sacrifice!
Crosshair is the first of the Deathtroopers. That is what rhe remaining clones will become.
YES! Asage Ventress lives. Ahsoka did not kill her in the Corussant Underworld. And she now wields an amber lightsaber. Read DARK DISCIPLE to learn more.
The Boys get the band back together for the ultimate rescue mission.....OMEGA !!
Only Qui-Gon dies and stays dead in Star Wars lol. Everyone else can come back. We never saw Ventress die on screen, and most don't even know about Dark Disciple, myself included. So it doesn't really count then. It's also possible that these are flash backs, cause Ventress and Qinlan Voss were together when the Bad Batch was around doing missions...we just never knew they crossed paths before. Screen time wise, last we saw of Ventress she was a bounty hunter doing her own thing. She could also be a clone that Palps made thanks to Omega's specialness. Whatever it is. Imagine Palps was trying to clone all his old allies/pawns so there could be a clone Dooku lol.
Let's go!!!! So excited!!!!❤
This will be a 15-episode season.
I trust FILONI Ventress us back Cad Bane in trailer and Fennec Shane also
Ventress 💛
Its a month away and this next month will feel like a year lol
My bet on the guy with the mask on Pabu is that an experimented on Tech.
Plot twist: Omega joins the Empire.
Please don’t kill my girl Ventress, she’s been in a long journey similar to Ahsoka, I’m hoping she isn’t and Filoni change the sacred timeline for good
I really hope they won’t bring her back just to kill her again
its after dark disciple
Ventless is wielding yellow sabers in the trailer…I wonder she faked her own death 1 & if she did is she helping the Path? 2
We finally get our answer to what happened to ventress... another example of our new stories moving forward taking inspiration from Legends 💪💪
It was answered in the Dark Disciple book
@@janekfilipowski9119 exactly what I said, taking inspiration from Legends. Although I didn't remember the exact name, thank you
This was a current canon book which is where the confusion lies, it's not a Legends story.
@@Omn1Media I didn't remember that, thank you so much for reminding me
The show is set in 19 BBY the year after 20 BBY, the year acording to the books Ventress is died. Soo I guess the books are wrong again.
I didn't really like Dark Disciple, so Asajj showing up made my entire MONTH
Can you react to The Way Home on Peacock? Season 2 started and it’s just an amazing show if you like time travel.
I second this🔥
Hope he does too because there aren’t any reactors reacting to it and it’s so good
@@kidthunder9572🔥
@@killingpoptartsfacts reactors should give it a chance, they give the worst tv shows and movies a chance, I want to see my guy Mike at least react to the pilot it would mean a lot even if it’s not the entire series
Hahaha talk about a wish come true. I asked you on Saturday which Star Wars show is up next 😂
It will be a sad ending. More death and the last season 😢
I Love Ventress (What if She is still with Vos?) and they Both are either Bounty Hunter's or with the Empire or Hired to Free the Kid (Omega ) Either way this Looks amazing!
And to think Ventress couldn't grow hair
Why is Ventress alive? Didn’t they kill her off in the Dark Disciple story?
Since when is a witch ever really really dead?
This Ventress is probably a flashback of the person she saved because she is a bounty hunter.
The hilt of the lightsaber is different from Dark Disciple and is similar to her old one. We need to check if it's the same hilt.
Ventress: I wasn't planning on killing you but you making it very tempting
This is someone Ventress most likely knows and doesn't necessarily like.
I could see Ventress coming back by way of some Nightsister magic. Which is fine because I like the character. However Idk why they want to keep bringing more force users into the post prequel trilogy era
Screw Dark Disciple. Having Ventress die off screen was stupid.
I was wondering where she went after order 66
19 is a year after 18.
yes, but BBY is like BC, a negative, it counts up to the Battle of Yavin, so 18 Years Before the Battle of Yavin, is 1 year AFTER 19 Years before the Battle of Yavin.
@@Luzarioth I’m just telling you what the timeline is. It’s supposed to be one year beforehand.
@@Ethanpond42 Your statement that "19 is a year after 18." is wrong in the given context, if it is supposed to be a year before, it would be 20
There’s going to be 15 episodes. Tbh I’m happy we’re slightly ignoring the books. I always loved Ventress so to find out she died off screen was disappointing.
Ventress mommy
Or maybe they pushed the timeline back for dark disciple?
Only if they push back both the Clonewars and Dokus death, as that is the entire point of the story
Maybe she's a clone...
Now I love Ventress and I mean LOVE Ventress but unless this is a flashback which it probably isn’t, that means she was resurrected despite having a great ending. The death doesn’t matter criticism of Star Wars gains more weight almost every year now it seems.
Killing an important character offscreen is worse
After Palpatine and now Ventress, who is next ? Barriss Offee ?
I not mad, love the new look (better than bald succubus), the light side seem to be one hell of moisturizer.
Barriss is MIA, she wasn't killed.
@@Agherosh Pretty sure she was killed during order 66, after reintegrating the jedi order (and just for that, it need to be retcon),
Edit : Yes, after checking, it isn't canon (what is canon at this point ?). She would have be a better antagonist for Ahsoka in her TV show.
@@vincentvoillot6365 Last time she was seen was being arrested by the Jedi. Yes, people have been wondering and asking about her appearing but so far no luck.
@@Agherosh In legends ( so canon before Disney ? ), she died during order 66 said wookieepedia.
After the wrong jedi, i was really curious about the character. I think she would had an even greater motivation for finding another way of the force than Baylan Skoll.
I really hope Filoni won't try to make Ventress survive her ,,death" in the Dark Disciple by some weird Night sister vodoo
This season is happening nearly concurrently with Dark Disciple, so there’s no (yet) having her avoid death or anything, she’s still just alive at this time
@jasonmarbach7800 no? Ventress was killed by dooku during the clone wars. Vos then returned her to the nightsisters.
Also dave is barely involved with this
@@laughingfox1606yeah I know Dave has little to do with this, but didn’t she die around 19 BBY? And isn’t this show set around 20? I get there’s some weirdness happening with Order 66, which she’s supposed to be dead for, happening at the beginning of Bad Batch, but aren’t the timelines kind of mixed up in here writ large?
Ah, I see, yeah she should be dead. Okay. So a flashback, or some nightsister resurrection stuff. I get the concern, now.
@jasonmarbach7800 no, ventress died 19bby, during the final year of the clone wars. Bad batch is set after the clone wars. Around 19-17 bby, since BB doesn't actually give any indication of how much time passes between season
Ventress' death in Dark Disciple being retconned gives off the impression that everything not on-screen in Star Wars is just licenced fanfiction. Disney can deny that all they want, it's still undermines their own continuity...
Or the whole Star Wars community can have patience and wait till February 21, wich is not that far and watch what exactly do they do withe character. But the Star Wars community will be always toxic...
@@TheDarkOne1920 I think you expect way too much of the online audience (of anything in production or announced) to be patient and wait until it's out, impatience is the only way to go for them.
I'm with you though. The people online loves always bashing everything into the ground as if they already saw the future. Listening to them makes you feel like the world would end any second now.
@@firecat4529 Yeah I just sometimes like to give the benefit of the doubt, because have turn so hateful and toxic and I just want good fandoms and communities again, no you can't even say you like something without getting death threats or being redicule of just liking something.
And yeah I don't understand why poeple formulate an opinion without not even having the show available to watch. They just say everything will suck. Same happened with the Ahsoka show, were is wasen't even on the third episode yet and poeple were saying there's wasen't any character development happening. I'm just saying watch the show first in its complition and then say you don't like it, and give actual reasons why. But oh well that is hoping to much from the poeple on the internet sadly.
It's always "bUt BuT dISnEy KiLlIeD sTaR wArS!!" They claim they will never watch again but stay in every comment section whining about how much they hate the show.@@TheDarkOne1920
@@mochacashmere Literally and not only in star wars media in everything. I don't get how poeple how so much time to comment on this that they hate with passion or watch reactions about stuff they hate. Like is so emotional draining to watch things that you enjoy and not be to fully enjoy it without poeple just purely hating on it, is not criticism, is pure hate. They don't explain why they don't like it, they don't give props for the things that the movies/shows did good, they only focus on the negative and how horrible the movie/show was. And they don't stop there, they need everyone to know they hate product.
Mentaly healthy people will just walk away and forget about the things you don't like, because you don't want to interact with that anymore. A lot of poeple need therapy and need to realize that movies/shows are not a big deal and if they don't like something they can stop interacting with the things they don't like. I kinda feel sorry for them, they spend so much energy and time just spreding hate, is really sad.
Ventress has always been one of my Favorite characters... I hated her Death in the book...
But this feels wrong... I mean they can't just move the book timewise... the whole Point of the Entire Book was to kill Doku... who is already dead now.
What a cringe -.- sooo fake reaction.
I have been forced to unsubscribe. I hate trailers and channels that plaster the major things in trailers all over their thumbnails, assuming that everyone watches trailers and spoiling parts of the comibg show has become far too common in sub feed. Peace.