Now THAT'S How You Win a Game! w/ LoadingReadyRun ft. Disa, Satya, Ulalek & Omo | Ep

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  • @dylanmiller9162
    @dylanmiller9162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Graham always has the energy that he was told he’d be on camera/what he’d be doing mere seconds before, and I greatly appreciate it

  • @chaostreader8538
    @chaostreader8538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    1:03:13 “how big are you?” “Like 6’3” just killed me. Amazing quick wit from Graham.

  • @ShutUpDoug
    @ShutUpDoug 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    4 OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE PLAY MAGIC THE GATHERING AND GATHER FOR MAGIC?!?!?! WHAT MORE CAN I ASK FOR?!?!?!
    and as someone once said, thanks for having them, it was great for them to be there!

  • @KmdrKibneg
    @KmdrKibneg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I would like to request more of the LRR crew please. All of them are delightful people and so fun to watch play.

  • @krityaRS
    @krityaRS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Seeing a few people trying to gotcha Graham's win here, even without the haste enablement he had 2 flying 26/27s getting +12/12 against no reachers, and plenty of other creatures getting +14/14 to attack Olivia who he just tapped all of her creatures, so gratz on the win Graham!

  • @Jaebird88
    @Jaebird88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    "Make every Magic card a thirst trap." --Kathleen De Vere, probably

  • @thedeaderer8791
    @thedeaderer8791 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Olivia's Jolene joke going unnoticed felt like a crime so girl I got u I loled on ur behalf

  • @nicholasrolo886
    @nicholasrolo886 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    "I'm going to Goyf as hard as I can" -AliasV 2024
    We're all for supporting Goyfers!
    (Not to be confused with Gophers, that is a separate genus)

  • @LochAndKey_
    @LochAndKey_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love seeing these precon gameplays! Keeps getting me more and more excited for when mine arrive

  • @alancrow7325
    @alancrow7325 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I love referring MH3 to Eldrazi History month. Fantastic, I need not say more.

  • @TSGypside
    @TSGypside 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Yesterday, I thought of a dumb synergy for the new goyf commander, Disa. Mimic Vat... when a creature dies, you can exile it to the Vat and return previously exiled creature cards to graveyard. Have a goyf exiled when another goyf dies. Exile the one that died and return the other to graveyard. Disa says that, when a goyf enters your graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield, put it onto the battlefield. With a sac outlet, I just loop this as much as I want for infinite death/ETB.
    Posted this in a Discord group and someone called the idea a "funny gun" which inspired me to call this the "Goyf Gun" if I get around to doing it.

    • @danmatthiesen9160
      @danmatthiesen9160 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      for full flavor win, use the red goyf that makes goyfs shoot equal to their power on ETB

    • @TSGypside
      @TSGypside 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danmatthiesen9160 Pyrogoyf is definitely one of the ideal payoff pieces for assembling the goyf gun.

  • @Flyboy245
    @Flyboy245 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Gatherer has some fun rulings. Like under void winnower, it says “yes, we know you can’t even” 😂

    • @QGR
      @QGR 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The ruling for True Love's Kiss says that if the disenchant effect fizzles:
      "You won't draw a card or live happily ever after."

  • @janMelantu
    @janMelantu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    My favorite part of the game was when AliasV said “it’s Goyfin’ time” and Goyfed all over the board

  • @TSGypside
    @TSGypside 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    There's a lot to track, and mistakes happen. Unfortunately, that last attack couldn't have happened that way. Brudiclad turning all those tokens into something else will include itself since Graham's is a token as well. When he goes to declare attackers, he no longer has a Brudiclad to give his tokens haste.

    • @joshturner6074
      @joshturner6074 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Came here to make sure this was pointed out as it could have been a big deal if someone else could have wiped the board before his turn. I’d not they w were mega doomed and he was quite safe.

    • @joaoeduardosalmoriadasilva8097
      @joaoeduardosalmoriadasilva8097 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I thought about that, but considering he created the 3 spawn token, he would be able to turn all them into giga brudiclads and still swing for lethal

    • @MarineS0n2
      @MarineS0n2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@joaoeduardosalmoriadasilva8097 Turning the tokens into Brudiclads wouldn't have worked as all but 1 would die to the legend rule.

    • @TSGypside
      @TSGypside 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @joaoeduardosalmoriadasilva8097 You don't get to choose which tokens become copies. If you use Brudiclad's trigger to turn any of your tokens into copies, it has to be all of them. This would have included the Brudiclad token.

    • @joejordan401
      @joejordan401 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is true, but also ouch, because what a cool way to end a game.

  • @SmaugUKA
    @SmaugUKA 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    To anyone commenting that Graham would not have won that turn due to the Brudiclad token transformation ability, that's correct. However had Graham not chose the 2nd part of Brudiclad's ability, he still would have won that turn. He had lethal regardless that turn. The win is legit.
    For those asking, "How?" - Brudiclad and Colossal tokens at Kathleen and Eilidh, everything else at a tapped out Olivia. The nontoken creatures along with the 3 newly created 1/1s as well as the 2/1 Myr via Brudiclad's attack trigger (declining the token copying 2nd part of the effect) all gaining +2/+2 brings the total well over 24.

  • @Scodog1
    @Scodog1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Kathleen saying "I remember when I started playing and seeing that and going 'ugh' " made me feel REAL old... when I started playing Fallen Empires was fresh and everyone was covering the local card shop's walls with the original Atog (it was more common than basic lands).

  • @Choiseul11
    @Choiseul11 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ulalek is the Eldrazi version of getting the 13-year and the 17-year cicadas at the same time.

  • @michaelhuerta7469
    @michaelhuerta7469 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the banter of this group, also the amount of joy on Kathleen face on being called a bog witch

  • @ticalhezzy1692
    @ticalhezzy1692 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You should never need an excuse to play with the LRR crew. Always amazing guests.

  • @OmegaMTG
    @OmegaMTG 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    32:30 We (my playgroup, no one with authority) settled this a couple years ago. Blink is return immediately, flicker is at end of turn. Someone had to decide. lol

  • @ElDocBruh
    @ElDocBruh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love to see LRR!
    Fave plane is Dominaria because I'm old and I started playing in Tempest when the story was an epic adventure with a variety of memorable characters! (yells at cloud)

  • @dragade101
    @dragade101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @17:51 love those pringles you are sharing off lol

  • @MaliciousCricket
    @MaliciousCricket 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My favorite plane might be Ixalan. I played some magic before then but that is when I started playing EDH and really came to enjoy more of the game

  • @davidhower7095
    @davidhower7095 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Favorite moment was the Summary Dismissal around 51:33

  • @hemjold
    @hemjold 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for having Kathleen and Graham so fun watching them play!
    I believe Olivia's deck comes with a Gonti's Aether Heart, combined with the Whirler Virtuoso and if a Panharmonicon was added (or already in deck), Olivia could have infinite thopter production. With Brudiclad giving haste to Thop Thops, swarm with thopthops. Thats only if Pan was in deck or not lol

  • @quayo90
    @quayo90 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    “Wait that card does what?!” My favorite part of Prerelease/Precon Commander.

  • @remembertobreathe66
    @remembertobreathe66 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    15:04 Sorry, but peak-hotness was achieved with Enthralling Victor. He got the goblin vote, and you know goblins recognize treasure when they see it.

  • @ElementalResistant
    @ElementalResistant 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:13:00 The brudiclad token play doesn't actually quite work, because as brudiclad in this case is a token itself it would turn into the chosen token and then they would no longer have haste.

  • @hernandeztim
    @hernandeztim 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For engagement, my favorite plane is the Northrop b-2 stealth because it looks awesome

  • @jarzz3601
    @jarzz3601 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the video graham narrated for anyone interested is called Nicol Bolas' Grand Scheme

  • @frozentyphoon2049
    @frozentyphoon2049 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Unfortunately, they forgot brudiclad is a token, so the tokens would lose haste when you change the tokens. Because it's all tokens, not just select tokens. And if you try to make them all brudiclads, the legend rule kills all the tokens...

  • @lorddracon8992
    @lorddracon8992 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    15:09 I looking up dryad to see if there was any other artwork and there's a secret lair version that I'd argue is the hottest of the 3 artwork options

  • @GrandDuchessTaco
    @GrandDuchessTaco 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My most recent epiphany was that the Pokémon Spoink is a design pun off a spiral ham.

  • @Zenith118
    @Zenith118 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Big fan of the guests you guys have had on here and on commander at home. Love your content keep up the great work! ❤

  • @Michael-s9b1q
    @Michael-s9b1q 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is how commander is played, fun with friends and entertaining!

  • @feliciahennigar1954
    @feliciahennigar1954 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    always love seeing LRR *aggressive quack sound effects*

  • @Xalyn937
    @Xalyn937 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the LRR crew! Great game!

  • @iamawsomeification
    @iamawsomeification 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    When graham makes the tokens all a copy of salvation colossus, that trigger is at the start of combat so wouldn’t brudiclad no longer give haste and stop the new tokens from attacking since he left before declaring attackers?

    • @Themadwollf
      @Themadwollf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, I was thinking it would work to make them all copies of Brudiclad, but the tokens that Anomaly makes would retain the legendary supertype, and die to SBA.

    • @PhalanxLord
      @PhalanxLord 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think it mattered. One token could still attack since it was from a previous turn and all of his creatures would be getting +14/+14. That's two dead players and the third with only two creatures. If he chose for the Disa deck to be the survivor then it would have had a total of two outs to survive the next turn.

  • @virginiawilson3884
    @virginiawilson3884 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I call my Omo deck "Every land, Every creature, All at once." Then I added Hakbal, so now it's "Every land, Every creature, Hakbal at once."

  • @ALTR_no_EGO
    @ALTR_no_EGO 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    RIP Olivia's noggin. That was an aggressive poke.

  • @tomdoetsch8603
    @tomdoetsch8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Long time watcher, first time commenter
    Olivia “I’m going to Quebec, which province is that in?”
    Graham & Kathleen “Quebec”
    Priceless 😂🤣

  • @markbrierley6367
    @markbrierley6367 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Favorite plane: Dominaria
    All the cool stuff happens there.

  • @mrpandabites
    @mrpandabites 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omo is a brand of laundry detergent where I live. Every time I hear their name, I shudder a little.

  • @frandynamo2143
    @frandynamo2143 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eldrazi history month!? I’m dead lol 😂 hats off Olivia

  • @camoyuki
    @camoyuki 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:26 my favorite plains is NEO #283 from Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty :)

  • @Agaures
    @Agaures 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The bog witch bond between Olivia and Kathleen is perfect.

  • @NimroDead
    @NimroDead 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:54 Graham should have got pinged by by the coast unless I’m missing something, he could’ve used the coast to pay for the palace’s colored mana ability but he didn’t😅

  • @DarthChewdup
    @DarthChewdup 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    olivia: *plays a boilerworks that taps for two*
    also olivia: *immediately forgets and taps the boilerworks for one* 26:37
    😭😭😭

  • @kurtgieseke7005
    @kurtgieseke7005 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Eilidh with the 4K new camera quality, so crisp. 🤌

  • @kalanivalentine
    @kalanivalentine 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "not even that much more expensive ships in the US" i like this guy lmaooooo

  • @kingvlad33
    @kingvlad33 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I started playing during the Urza block so that's my favorite

  • @aaron9797
    @aaron9797 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love the war of the spark recap

  • @heykak
    @heykak 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    pretty sure that the mass token attack wouldnt work because every other token becomes a copy, meaning brudoclad would also become one and thereby lose creature haste

    • @DarkPikachuYTV
      @DarkPikachuYTV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But once’s a creature loses summoning sickness it doesn’t gain it back so

    • @liamw.1313
      @liamw.1313 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@DarkPikachuYTV a creature only loses summoning sickness at the start of your turn. Haste allows a creature to attack in spite of summoning sickness, it doesn't remove it. So once haste is removed, they can no longer attack.

  • @nerdaccount
    @nerdaccount 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an ending!!!!! Great game!

  • @whotheheckcares
    @whotheheckcares 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm a simple man. I see people from LRR, and I click the video.

  • @fredmyers503
    @fredmyers503 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am new and just trying to understand when Elidh plays the Barrowgoyph and asks you have an artifact creature and a sorcery for 2. . but is it not artifact, a creature, and a sorcery. . Do creatures and artifact creatures count seperatly? and can you get 2 things out of a single card if it has 2 types? Like if I have an enchantment creature would that count as both?

    • @Themadwollf
      @Themadwollf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Indeed it does, so a single enchantment artifact creature would count as 3 card types for the goyfs.

  • @MrGrovak
    @MrGrovak 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was great! What an ending

  • @TheOmegaBear09
    @TheOmegaBear09 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hate to spoil the ending, but... Once the brudiclad token's trigger resolves, all of the tokens would immediately lose haste since his trigger would turn him into the apex goyf colossus, therefore the only ones that could attack would be the ones that he controlled since the start of the turn... which was two of them. So that would've meant at least one of his opponents would have survived.

  • @kylebillings7593
    @kylebillings7593 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do all the tokens lose haste when the Brudiclad token changes, then he is not able to attack with them?

    • @DarkPikachuYTV
      @DarkPikachuYTV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But once’s a creature loses summoning sickness it doesn’t gain it back so

  • @WolfdaLegion
    @WolfdaLegion 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this channel. This was a GREAT game. 🎉🎉🎉

  • @mattlewis3472
    @mattlewis3472 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "I tried jundcycling, but it was too hard on my thighs" lmao Graham

  • @rolgilux
    @rolgilux 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great game! Thank you ❤

  • @PestOnYT
    @PestOnYT 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seems that Brian and Olivia are living next to a big pond. All the duck calls coming through. ;-)

  • @dragade101
    @dragade101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @23:47, now I'm curious; where was this exactly lol. Surely they come back for more rituals.

  • @Blackadam36
    @Blackadam36 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does the everything counter also include “Fate counter”? 32:33

    • @isaiahwelch8066
      @isaiahwelch8066 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, this is true! Which means that Oblivion Stone goes off, things survive and no longer have Everything counters on them.
      Edit: I was mistaken in my comment. Omo's effect only affects creature types and land types. After reading her effect, her Everything counter is essentially giving your lands Prismatic Omen's effect, plus other land types like Urza's lands, and the Everything counter on a creature is essentially Maskwood Nexus.
      I had the thought originally that Omo was busted because of counters like hexproof, divinity, fate, and other types of counters. But no, what Omo's counters care about are creature types and land types.

    • @beornwagner1
      @beornwagner1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, an everything counter is a specific type of counter that makes what it's put on a target for Omo's ability to make them all types.

    • @TheRealWormbo
      @TheRealWormbo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      An "everything counter" has no inherent meaning. Only while Omo is on the battlefield the permanents get the additional subtypes. Worth noting: Land creatures do *not* get every creature type, they are "only" every land subtype. Non-creature non-land permanents are not affected by those counters, even if Omo is present.

  • @RowdiesFan1
    @RowdiesFan1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a monster awesome ending. That's COOL!

  • @MrCrimAngel
    @MrCrimAngel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crossover episode!

  • @richardfrench7205
    @richardfrench7205 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love me an apex cascade, that was great. The ending was sick though 😂 brudiclad the betrayer 😂

  • @thedevilcomes2011
    @thedevilcomes2011 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Woo! LRR and EDH collab!! YES!

  • @Boonslayer
    @Boonslayer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the end of the game is a misplay? Brudiclad's ability would make the token Brudiclad no longer Brudiclad, wouldn't it? So the tokens would no longer have haste. Unless I'm missing something on the way Brudiclad works?

  • @WayneyMTG
    @WayneyMTG 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm quite excited by some of these reprints

  • @buddadragonmtg
    @buddadragonmtg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now this is a hilarious bunch to have. True hijinks lol. Can't wait for the new season of Friday Nights.

  • @JimmyJames-om2uw
    @JimmyJames-om2uw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excited to watch this

  • @Flyboy245
    @Flyboy245 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I also have one of those Garruk’s axes. It’s sweet. I should start using it more at commander knight when someone gets bodied 😂

  • @katoum31
    @katoum31 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys rock!❤

  • @Whiskyandrock
    @Whiskyandrock หลายเดือนก่อน

    Graham's last attack also would have made 9 tokens not just 3 since he had to choose 3 and each choice makes 3 scions.

  • @Nslygh1213
    @Nslygh1213 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great game. It seems like each deck got to do it's thing this time. I'm still psyched to try Tricky Terrain even though it's outside of my giant stompy creature wheelhouse.

  • @TheDtroupe
    @TheDtroupe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "It's cool to pay your friends what their worth" should be a t-shirt

  • @jamescampbell2353
    @jamescampbell2353 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite plane without a doubt is Archavios because it’s where my d&d campaign is going on :)

  • @alternateimagegaming
    @alternateimagegaming 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the engagement request... I don't really have one now my favorite plane as a kid was an SR-71 Blackbird. Wait.. maybe they didn't mean...

  • @Arumat17
    @Arumat17 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you you copy a creature with fabricate does it gain it if given to by another?

  • @rubyseverinwhitworth9066
    @rubyseverinwhitworth9066 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    45:38 did they miss the trigger to make a goyf or am I missing something.
    Edit: they realise next round

  • @24105252
    @24105252 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm just going to say this regarding video length.
    TTC's last commander video lasts almost 2 hours, and it was hillarious

  • @WRDClark
    @WRDClark 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Professional Face Breaker a.k.a "Buddy Dude Pro Break Face"

  • @stevenobal4087
    @stevenobal4087 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tarkir is my favorite plane!

  • @thedevilcomes2011
    @thedevilcomes2011 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Benthic Eldrazi is BUSTED!

  • @harryfenzleiniii6274
    @harryfenzleiniii6274 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honest question...... Is the Lurghoyf deck worth purchasing?

    • @EDHijinks
      @EDHijinks  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not my cup of tea personally, but it has done some silly things! Check out @TheSpikeFeeders gameplay with upgraded precons.

  • @AielWolf
    @AielWolf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    By Brudiclad's ability, all tokens, even the Brudiclad copy token, become the Biggun, so Graham loses the Haste enabler...

  • @AutkastKain
    @AutkastKain 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite plane is a 747. My most recent epiphany was that Pete the cat in mickey mouse is the villain cuz cats chase mice.

  • @DarkPikachuYTV
    @DarkPikachuYTV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:02:55 Sagas?

    • @chaostreader8538
      @chaostreader8538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe Sagas are a subtype of enchantments and so don’t count? Would need to look up the ruling to be sure.

    • @TheRealWormbo
      @TheRealWormbo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Only types in front of the hyphen on the type line apply, and not even all of those. The card types (that can hit the graveyard) are Land, Creature, Artifact, Enchantment, Planeswalker, Battle, Instant, Sorcery, and Kindred.
      Fun fact: Card types have a set of supported sub types (e.g. the creature types for creature and kindred, or saga, aura, curse, etc. for enchantments), super types do not. (Relevant super types are Legendary, Snow, World, and Basic.)

  • @jka97
    @jka97 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome to see LRR here, +A

  • @MrMalorian
    @MrMalorian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kathleen sees oblivion stone as a political piece, when in commander it's a combat magnet :D

  • @alexk6775
    @alexk6775 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Engagement: My favorite plane is Lorwynn.

  • @kivipaperisakset3999
    @kivipaperisakset3999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cast triggers don't trigger if you copy a spell, right?

  • @alexabney7913
    @alexabney7913 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve never seen so many Channels with early precon gameplay before

  • @obicortes8199
    @obicortes8199 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eilidh in case you ever play the deck again the Burnished Hart you had in the grave would count for both creature and artifact. So when you played Barrowgoyf it should have been a 3/4. It probably would not have made a difference, but just wanted you to remember for future reference.

  • @x_DNR_x
    @x_DNR_x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hot Damn,... what an Amazing game play by everyone. GG

  • @zackerymorris8268
    @zackerymorris8268 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love Kaladesh and I hope we go back sometime soon especially if Shivam can do consulting work
    Edit: the Talisman of Dominance joke made me realize I need an alter of mine but the art shows my pup hood

  • @chysky1673
    @chysky1673 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So speaking of there are so many cards at 26:24, there are over 22,000 unique cards in Magic, so I agree, there are too many cards

  • @Fuzzi999
    @Fuzzi999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Alara is my fav plane, wondering how long till we finally go back