Cleaner Sounding Crowd Mics for Live Stream | Balloon Pop Technique
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Description:
Adding crowd mics to your live stream can take the audio to another level! But if you don't have them time aligned properly, it might hurt more than it helps...
Time-aligning microphones is really simple. All you need is a DAW and a balloon. In this Video, Kade is joined by Chris Trowbridge of Bridge AVL to show you how to do it.
Chapters:
0:00 Overview
0:53 Why should you time-align crowd mics?
1:25 What do you need?
2:46 How to set it up on the X32
6:06 How to determine and set the delay
9:10 Tips on mixing and processing
I didn't know crowd mics were so complicated. That's probably why we don't have any at the moment. Thanks for the info!
LOL! Move the board track to match audience track and read time diffs in your DAW. And apply exact value just once. You save so much balloons and work..
Super helpful!
You’re dope
Cool ❤help full 😎
Awesome!
Thanks for the tip! Question though - couldn't you just set your channel 19/20 source to busses 1/2 directly instead of going out of the board and back in via XLR? Or does that tap the bus input instead of its output? (I've only done it once as a hacky way of feeding the internal oscillator into a channel, but can't remember where it takes the signal from.)
Nope. You have to use the "Output" routing in order to program a delay on the X32.
@collabworship So are you saying we would need to dedicate 8 channels to get this done right?
4 input(2 crowd & 2 for bus return)
4outout (2 Bus Return & 2 sending to audio interface of the PC doing live streaming)?
If you have multiple speakers in the room. Would you do the left back of the room mics to the left speaker? Right back of the room mics mics with left? And center to just back of the room mics? Or is everything no matter how many speakers from the on-stage mic. Thank you!
That would only matter if the room has different levels of delay from left to right. That would probably be a problem worth solving though lol.
The left and right audience mic should still be hearing output from the PA simultaneously from their respective side.
Thank you for the quick response my issue is most of the time it’s a house system and I’m just showing up and won’t have control over that. In the event that there is a major delay, can all these tests be done and just add the delay in post? Thank you again!
So would the time delay not cause the Audio to be put of sync with the video going online?
It would. You'd have to adjust delay settings in your live stream software.
In our case, we already have delay on the audio inside of OBS to sync to the video. So we would just have to reduce it by the amount that we delayed in the video (29.7ms)
@collabworship I was asking if you delay the audio to match the response mic, which is supposed to create a delayed audio going out. Which would make the audio already out of sync with the video.
Most times, the videos done on HDMI setup are already out of sync, so introducing the delay will also delay the Audio, then you have to add your delay in OBS or vMix as the case may be...
But if you are using SDI setups, video and Audio are mostly in sync so when one introduce the delay to match the response mic, then you have already delayed the Audio and would make the video out of sync with it.
Or is there something I am missing?
@@SoundflossProduction Your on the right track there. You can delay audio and video in OBS though. So whatever ends up happening after applying the mic delay taught in this video, you can still adjust things in OBS in either direction to get it synced up.
Any tips on if your room/crowd mics are a few feet behind the main pa?
That’s a great position. No need to delay at that point because the mics and the PA are in line👍🏽
@@christrowbridge8779 We are also in a similar situation but our two audience mics are wide of stage at the plane of the PA. I have messed with a crowd mic at the back of the room but other than getting some natural reverb from the room, you don't hear audience voices that well. A large venue I visit every year places two nice large-diaphram condenser mics in center of the room (where one camera used to be) to pick up crowd and they do time-align that. I believe they use at least 4-6 crowd mics in total. Never asked them about time-aligning.
Yea mics in the booth are to taste and are for setting you in the space not necessarily for the crowd. Mics central in the room are going to be your best for clapping. Shotguns are good for clapping and laughing. Experiment with your space, find what works to capture what you are needing.
Do you leave audience mics on the whole time? Or do you mute the audience mics during worship?
Whole time. Worship is where you really want them. Give the music a more "live" feeling like you are in the room.
Do another using the beringer wing?
We'll have to do that.
@@collabworship I’ll be waiting. That will be so much helpful and how to time align front of house speakers that are like 50ft apart
I cannot for the life of me figure out why I cannot here the congregation mics on the live mix. I guess I need to turn them up higher then -10 on the fader, just don’t want to mess up the mix.
Are you getting a good amount of gain into the inputs?