Great conversation. Always enjoyed Tims wisdom, and good questions from Antoinette. The point about Australia not sliding further toward extremism like America, and the terrible things happening around the world is really important. We're so extremely lucky in Australia, I hope that luck never runs out. That we have people like you both gives me some hope, but more people should be listening to you. A thought for Tim, often those best suited to power are those who do not seek it...
Thanks so much for hosting Tim as a guest! I think he often-times presents his views in a very unapologetic way, and I sensed he was really challenging your own views around the half hour mark. It's a credit to your skills as an interviewer that you let him say what he wanted to say with little interruption (I think he's actually interrupting YOU far more) while voicing your respectful disagreement over what potentially could be a very emotive subject. Keep it up! (The ABC is lesser without your presence)
It's too bad that Tim wouldn't be releasing his "Attic Songs" in the US. Then it would be Attic US Songs. (Atticus.) Tim Minchin fans will get this. :)
I wish she had let Tim finish a thought. She's doing the exact thing Tim was trying to talk about. Being tribal and not listening. She's being too busy trying to make sure she is agreed with, because she thinks she is right, to ponder a contradictory or perhaps even inflammatory opinion that might actually increase the understanding of those she is considering as other.
If you seek to be happy you are destined to be unhappy, then happy, then unhappy, then happy again, and so on. That's why Buddhists seek a constant state of bliss, which is contentment and a warm inner glow, kind of. By thinking of others and getting rid of the self/ego, sort of.
Really I think both perspectives are important. Tim's right in that we do need to make sure that we're being kind to people close to us and within our own local community, and if our concern for global issues is affecting our ability to do that, then perhaps we need to re-focus our energy. The problem is that there are some groups who, regardless of how much they focus on people close to them and their own community, will struggle to make things better for themselves because they're oppressed by powers much greater than them. In those cases it requires outsiders to speak up and rally for them (which can also have negative effects in local communities, like rising anti-semitism).
I think there is a point to be made about the limits of our empathy but I think Tim misses the mark by bemoaning our tribalism in his open and then utterly accepting it by the end. Gaza, if anything, proves that we aren’t simply isolated tribes because Jewish people are also standing against Israel. To Antoinette’s point, we educate ourselves on the things our country supports (like the genocide in Gaza) because it influences our politics which is part of our duty to each other. It also increases empathy for those in groups we don’t come from. There is a middle ground between saturating yourself and going fully unplugged. I think the aim IS to stay educated on the things you can affect, as Tim said, but our countries foreign policy is a thing that we can have a hand in changing if we stay informed and active and knowing what people are coming from can help us feel empathy for refugees trying to flee it.
Hi Dustin, thank you for such thoughtful feedback on the episode. It shows the complexities of such conversations and that there are many sides to an issue.
Great conversation...so many valid points and observations. A great deal to think about regarding the effects of social media and the reality of our world.❤
About the young male violence, the part of a young mans brain that deals with evaluating risk doesn't fully develop until about 22-25 yrs old. That's why the average age of combat soldiers is 19-20. Evolution has designed males throughout the animal kingdom (not just humans), to learn to fight each other, and they do so from an early age, so that the females can choose the fittest, strongest to mate with. That's why when a woman is ovulating, she is attracted to the meanest, toughest bastard, and for the rest of her cycle she is drawn to the best nurturer and provider. After a man ejaculates a chemical is released into his bloodstream to put him to sleep, so that the woman can sneak off and mate with other males. The task is not to ostracise young males for fighting, but to find ways to channel four billion years of evolution in positive ways for positive outcomes, and realise there's not a one size fits all. PS: you can check the above data, I got it all from watching Doco's
Why? I think he has a pretty good point about not letting things distract you from being the best person you can be to those in front of you. He is speaking from experience as he was consuming too much of the world's drama it was affecting his mental health and his relationships. He is not saying don't care about things that are happening globally, just that if your concern about those things is causing you to not be kind to people in your immediate circle then maybe you need to re-focus your energy. Do you think he supports anyone getting killed?
I really enjoyed listening to this respectful exchange of views. Fascinating to hear Tim unpacking his thoughts in such an honest and considered way 🤔
Tim Minchin touches a lot of Hot Buttons for a lot of folks ... But they are important buttons to figure out. Thanks for posting this.
Great conversation. Always enjoyed Tims wisdom, and good questions from Antoinette. The point about Australia not sliding further toward extremism like America, and the terrible things happening around the world is really important. We're so extremely lucky in Australia, I hope that luck never runs out.
That we have people like you both gives me some hope, but more people should be listening to you. A thought for Tim, often those best suited to power are those who do not seek it...
The world needs more conversations like this.
Thank you, Tim 🙏
The world needs more conversations like this.
Thanks so much for hosting Tim as a guest! I think he often-times presents his views in a very unapologetic way, and I sensed he was really challenging your own views around the half hour mark. It's a credit to your skills as an interviewer that you let him say what he wanted to say with little interruption (I think he's actually interrupting YOU far more) while voicing your respectful disagreement over what potentially could be a very emotive subject. Keep it up! (The ABC is lesser without your presence)
Play It Safe is a killer video in so many ways. ❤
It's too bad that Tim wouldn't be releasing his "Attic Songs" in the US. Then it would be Attic US Songs. (Atticus.) Tim Minchin fans will get this. :)
I wish she had let Tim finish a thought. She's doing the exact thing Tim was trying to talk about. Being tribal and not listening. She's being too busy trying to make sure she is agreed with, because she thinks she is right, to ponder a contradictory or perhaps even inflammatory opinion that might actually increase the understanding of those she is considering as other.
If you seek to be happy you are destined to be unhappy, then happy, then unhappy, then happy again, and so on. That's why Buddhists seek a constant state of bliss, which is contentment and a warm inner glow, kind of. By thinking of others and getting rid of the self/ego, sort of.
Really I think both perspectives are important. Tim's right in that we do need to make sure that we're being kind to people close to us and within our own local community, and if our concern for global issues is affecting our ability to do that, then perhaps we need to re-focus our energy. The problem is that there are some groups who, regardless of how much they focus on people close to them and their own community, will struggle to make things better for themselves because they're oppressed by powers much greater than them. In those cases it requires outsiders to speak up and rally for them (which can also have negative effects in local communities, like rising anti-semitism).
I think there is a point to be made about the limits of our empathy but I think Tim misses the mark by bemoaning our tribalism in his open and then utterly accepting it by the end. Gaza, if anything, proves that we aren’t simply isolated tribes because Jewish people are also standing against Israel.
To Antoinette’s point, we educate ourselves on the things our country supports (like the genocide in Gaza) because it influences our politics which is part of our duty to each other. It also increases empathy for those in groups we don’t come from.
There is a middle ground between saturating yourself and going fully unplugged. I think the aim IS to stay educated on the things you can affect, as Tim said, but our countries foreign policy is a thing that we can have a hand in changing if we stay informed and active and knowing what people are coming from can help us feel empathy for refugees trying to flee it.
Hi Dustin, thank you for such thoughtful feedback on the episode. It shows the complexities of such conversations and that there are many sides to an issue.
He both accepts that we're inclined to be tribal animals, but that tribalism is also bad.
Man I love Tim. Wish he could just run the world.
Great conversation...so many valid points and observations. A great deal to think about regarding the effects of social media and the reality of our world.❤
this was a intreasting chat, even if it seemed to escalate quickly hehe.
It would have been a better conversation had Tim Minchin not continually interrupted the interviewer.
The guest interrupted the interviewer?
Love Tim seeing him live on 8/9
Let's all not eat pigs together.
❤❤
What?? My favorite speech has been made into a book? well that was an easy buy...
About the young male violence, the part of a young mans brain that deals with evaluating risk doesn't fully develop until about 22-25 yrs old. That's why the average age of combat soldiers is 19-20. Evolution has designed males throughout the animal kingdom (not just humans), to learn to fight each other, and they do so from an early age, so that the females can choose the fittest, strongest to mate with. That's why when a woman is ovulating, she is attracted to the meanest, toughest bastard, and for the rest of her cycle she is drawn to the best nurturer and provider. After a man ejaculates a chemical is released into his bloodstream to put him to sleep, so that the woman can sneak off and mate with other males.
The task is not to ostracise young males for fighting, but to find ways to channel four billion years of evolution in positive ways for positive outcomes, and realise there's not a one size fits all.
PS: you can check the above data, I got it all from watching Doco's
disappointed by tim
In what way
Why? I think he has a pretty good point about not letting things distract you from being the best person you can be to those in front of you. He is speaking from experience as he was consuming too much of the world's drama it was affecting his mental health and his relationships. He is not saying don't care about things that are happening globally, just that if your concern about those things is causing you to not be kind to people in your immediate circle then maybe you need to re-focus your energy. Do you think he supports anyone getting killed?
@@PianoDiary85 Because, as a wise man once said, if you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out.
There's no "both-sidesing" a genocide.
Imagine not listing the genocide in Gaza as your number 1 worry
What genocide?
Why are you a terrorist sympathiser? Why do you support teerorists who throw homosexuals off buildings? Are you a homophobe?
What genocide? Why do you support terrorists?
Why shouldn't his kids be his number one concern?
I mean my #1 worry is making sure all the bills are paid and my baby is fed and happy so yeah absolutely not i dare say its not even top 20
@@Souless1231 I guess your TH-cam name is appropriate then.
Tim .. man ... so off point!