Rome and Persia: 700 years of rivalry (with Adrian Goldsworthy)
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- In this episode of the Toldinstone Podcast, Adrian Goldsworthy and I discuss his forthcoming book on the long rivalry between the Roman and Persian Empires. You can preorder "Rome and Persia" on Amazon or through your favorite bookstore.
Check out my other channels, @toldinstone and @scenicroutestothepast
Chapters:
0:00 Introducing Persia
4:55 Comparing Rome and Persia
10:36 Contrasting political institutions
22:57 Border zones
30:20 The Battle of Carrhae
43:23 Caesar's Parthian plans
49:27 Trajan's Parthian war
1:02:28 The armies of Rome and Parthia
1:09:54 Why were the Sassanians so successful?
1:17:29 Dura-Europus and Sassanian siege warfare
1:24:49 The role of religion
1:29:52 Centuries of limited warfare
1:40:10 The final war
1:48:55 The Arab Conquests
Two whole hours of Adrian Goldsworthy! What have we done to deserve such a blessing? :D
Mentally and psychologically disabled people are born just because you want them to be born and they suffer in the world that was created for your convenience while you constantly discriminate against them without being punished for it.
What have you done to deserve such a thing :D
Nothing.
We are not worthy.
Such a delight
There is another 2-hour extravaganza at: th-cam.com/video/OMNhAoorugA/w-d-xo.html
Garrett, prob should mention this, but knowing when to ask questions of your guest and when to sit back and let them simply enlighten us all is one of your true talents, very gentlemanly and respectful yes, but more than that, I think you’re as delighted as we are to hear Mr Goldsworthy! That’s just charming, you’re a lovely soul Professor!
When Dr Goldsworthy speaks you stfu and listen. Simple as.
Wow this guy is really the best historian I’ve ever heard. He really brings it to life. And makes it understandable and relatable!
Agreed! Also, Adrian is pretty impressive too. 😁
Dr Goldsworthy is an excellent speaker.
A historian once said: " We nowadays like to think of battles as decisive. In the past, very few battles were seen as decisive, they were just one encounter at a certain point in time."
Thanks for this very interesting interview!
I loved how he would talk for like 15 minutes straight without seeming to take a pause or a breath but it NEVER got boring! What a great speaker, this was fantastic.
Hell yes! I am in the middle of reading Adrian Goldsworthy's book on Philip and Alexander after it was recommended the last time he was on. Excited to listen to this one!
Fantastic book. I interviewed him for my TH-cam channel, and it is one of the most watched interview. Dr. Goldsworthy is the best
Dr. Goldsworthy is an excellent speaker and great history teller
Garrett Ryan does a great job of listening! Thank you, Garrett, for gently steering and listening to this brilliant man.
Loved his books about Augustus and the fall of Rome, so excited to read his new publication!
if Dr Goldsworthy ever wanted to talk about Augustus I'd truly like to listen!
I could listen to these guys talk until the sun explodes, damn fine podcast, definitely looking into his new book
Doc and Doc: Mesopotamia/Iraq was a small section of Persia (whether Achamenian, Arsaciid/Parthian, or Sassanian dynasties). She lost it to the Muslim Arabs, but regained it under the Buyid dynasty and kept it until finally losing it (under the Safavid dynasty) to the Ottoman Turks in the 1630s. But Mesopotamia did contain the capital city of the country until the 630s (Ctesiphon). Ctesiphon was only two hundred miles from the Roman borders and on a flat land with two navigable rivers leading to it from the direction of the Roman lands. On the other hand, city of Rome was a couple of thousand winding miles away from Persia --over mountains, open seas and hostile terrains to the Persians, So for the Romans it was a lot easier to attack or even take Ctesiphon (they did it twice), but the reverse was not feasible for the Persians. The fact that Persia kept her exposed capital safe for 700 years, is a matter of great note. 9/10th of Persia was in the east of Ctesiphon and away from the Roman borders, consistin totally of mountainous and rough lands. just look at any modern map to see that paramount point
Parthia had great strongholds in the Zagros mountains, and as the Professor explains it wasn't a matter of conquering the other, usually just winning fortresses along the border and concessions. To add to what you say, the Persians conquered Antioch at least once (probably more times, but I don't remember now) which was the 3rd city of the Empire, and Alexandria too, and even bigger and more important for Rome that Constantinople till 450 very probably.
@@fernandogarcia3957 Zagros chain borders on Mesopotamia. It is the the Elburs, Bariz, Revand and the Parapamisus mountains that made the rest of Persia, --hundred of miles to the east of the Zagros. Look at any modern natural geography maps to note this, pls.
Ave Goldsworthy!
More content with my favourite historian ever, Adrian Goldsworthy? Yes please. Keep it coming.
take that Garrett Ryan.
What a Saturday morning to wake up to, eh?
Thank you!
More longer videos, please and thanks. Nothing less than 90 minutes from now on.
Great stuff! thank you both
Thank you for this magnificent episode.
More Goldsworthy saved in my "Told In Stone" folder. THANK YOU! 🙂
Loved this long form interview
Wonderful discussion! Thank you!
I love these mister, keep them comming!
Hell yeah! What a fascinating topic
Such a great exposition. Thanks, I'm going to listen to it tomorrow again.❤
Wonderful interview.
Magnificent conversation! Thanks to you both.
This is an absolutely fabulous discussion! Thank you!
Another exceptional podcast. Thanks to both of you!
Really really informative and interesting! Thank you!
Great Episode!!
Fantastic and interesting discussion. Thank you to both of you.
Great interview
very impressive . Thanks .
This is very good!
Really excellent interview. This was a wonderful video to watch/listen to- the greatest thanks to you!
what a fantastic interview, I'll have to listen to it through multiple sessions
Good interview! Interesting topic, good questions, and so nice to have a host that isn’t interrupting.
Fantastic interview! Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and scholarship, Toldie and Goldie.
Wonderful!
A great podcast, Adrian Goldsworthy is always excellent.
Great discussion, thank you. First time viewing your content, have now subscribed.
Fantastic talk. Adrian has thought about this and researched a great deal. Also he’s very engaging. I can’t believe I listened all the way through lol
WOW! This was very interesting.
I LEARNED something new today. A GOOD DAY!
❤THANK YOU❤
awesome thank you
Wonderful stuff, thank you. May I suggest Peter Heather as a guest? His new book "Christendom" seems interesting.
Extraordinary! Well Done ALl! Stay the Course anf both pf ypu bring is more in this useful modality.
One thing I appreciate about your channel is that all your guests, like Dr. Goldsworthy, are of the highest caliber. Thank you to both of you! I was going to get some work done this morning, but this is so much more fun!
Just finished the book, excellent overview and a perspective that is often overlooked. I highly recommend it...
You’re a good listener.
Two of my favourite historians. Dr Goldsworthy also writes excellent historical fiction.
I have seen the book on Amazon. I need to read it. Thanks for covering such a fascinating topic
whatching this vedio high was very enjoyable !❤
Having just worked through 'Pax Romana'(Goldsworthy) and 'Ten Caesars'(Strauss) this is good timing.
Woah I can't believe you actually got Dr Goldsworthy on your podcast. You're LEGIT! 💪🏻
thanks
What a treat. Just pre-ordered the book. Will be my fourth book by Adrian
I really enjoy his book Philip and Alexander.
700 years of rivalry with Adrian Goldsworthy!
Sujet passionnant
I love how people are talking about Cesar camping as if his army would be greater than of Valerian's 70K man army at the battle of Edessa or even Crassus 30-40K army for that matter lol
Rome, Greece, then Macedon, and now Persia! My, Goldsworthy’s expertise continues its stride across the ancient world! Next stop - India?
You've got to do James Howard Johnston after this! Moar Persian-Roman wars!
any chance we would have Mary Beard,Edith hall, or Amanda Podny?
Garret's expression looks quite stressed. Especially when he smiles.
Favorite historian along with Tom Holland!
We still use some of the Babylonian astronomical observations made under the Parthians, just as we still use some of the Greek astronomical observations made under the Romans.
Good discussion overall , however they referred to themselves as Iranians . As historians you might want to get this right .
Well, the Byzantines called themselves ‘Romans’.
‘Persians’ is a perfectly acceptable term and has a very long pedigree going back to the ancient Greek authors.
physiognomy wise Garret Ryan looks like he would fit seamlessly into a crowd on a street of any Russian town
wonder how much mundane an average day in that lengthy rivalry was every century .
Iran is a concept you should have mentioned, I will read the book to see if you understood that the whole Iranian weird ancient nationalism gave them extraordinary powers. You should look into 'shahnameh'.
Note the Parthians refer to steppe Iranian nomads from North of the Caspian who initially conquered Parthia in western Iran.
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Please release another peninsular war book. It’s been almost a decade
That last bit - about the period when the two empires basically stopped talking to each other, and the final, destructive war this led to - is especially cautionary today. If you follow current events, you'll know that the Americans and the Chinese, as well as the American and the Russians, have basically stopped talking to each other.
it sounded like it almost eirie god help us there is so much hubris so much irrational behaviour one side is patient the other cant wait to poke another eye i think the inevitable will inevitably happen its just at the managing stage it doesnt have to be this way chinesee specially dont want it to be this way but whether they like or not the least dangerous thing will be soft cold war
either china has to submit to usa and submit to usa rulling over its south china sea or usa has to change internally in terms of its elites demands of constant war
and chinese elite has promised its people national unification just like german unification set up but they were the victims instead of the agressors
Does anyone know what the headset Goldsworthy is wearing?
It's excellent isn't it? His sound is so clear
Any historian worth his or her salt indicates the uncertainty where little or no records exist, as well as conflicting sources. I wish archaeologists would limit their imaginings to this professional degree, their interpretations are often pure flights of fancy. I remember one TV show where they found a possible posthole which may or not gave been ancient and they drew in an enormous, elaborate, ancient temple district with “sacred ways” leading in from all directions! Most likely it was a just posthole from a farmer’s fence from the 19th C. that rotted away.
Two of the greatest civilizations ever.
Their conflict ended up hurting both of them irreparably.
Note that the Achaemenids, Parthians and especially Sasanians called their country "Iran".
Persia is technically incorrect terminology.
So nice to hear a historian say BC and not any of this BCE and AC nonsense
Yes, what a relief! I think it’s an American thing but sadly, like so much other woke nonsense, it’s spreading to Europe like reverse smallpox. I call it the ‘woke’ calendar.
Basically an east versus west conflict which started with the Greeks and the two great Persian invasions of the country and then Alexander the Great's revenge - it cut across ethnic divides and religious ones too as Rome also took on the Parthians for about 300 years (an Iranian type culture) and continued under Christianity as well and arguably also when the area became Islamic when the Iranian Islamic world (largely Shiite) was in constant conflict with the Ottoman Turks heirs to eastern Rome.!
Alexander was just a plunderer conqueror like all others and trying to justify his invasion by claiming that it's a revenge for sth done about 200 years earlier is absolutely ridiculous.
I agree he was a plunderer but one of the better ones because so many benefits resulted from his conquests@@sarahemmati9696
Imagine exhausting each other in endless war just to get bodied at the end by Arabian desert dwellers
the level of coping is of the charge.
Persians routinely humiliated Roman empire and you give all the excuses but still couldn't cope with it
Ahem, ahem
Rome also humiliated the Persians
@@user-ls9ec6pi1b no they didn't.
don't you know about emperor Valerian also known as the stepping stool of Persia
2 roman emperor was defeated and captured by Persians, but no Persian emperor was captured by anyone ever.
the fact that there is not even single movie about the longest war in mankind's history should tell you something about how humiliating was for west
I'm sure you neither Greeks or Italian because they love Persians/Iranian and we love them back as well, but it seems westerners are more fanatic about our wars than ourselves.
@@mansari7310
Yes, I'm not Italian or Greek
I'm not from the West either
And I don't hate the Persian Empire
Yes, the Persian Empire humiliated Rome
Rome also humiliated the Persian Empire
The murder of caesar was very much like the punishment expedition in Nottingham. You got this warrior who says: "Look. I had to kill these people they were going quite niehkkker. They were becoming normaltrash. It had to be done."
And that is where you have these wonderful exploits of people who go forth and do heroic deeds that cut down the amount of evil normaltrash there are in the world.
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What incompetent drivel. How can a man be a historian when he sits inside reading books all day?
What else is a historian?