Gisèle's beautiful, vindicated smile is a treasure. She's earned her rest. As for the defense lawyer saying those fifty rapists "weren't meant to be here," ridiculous. Those men walked into that bedroom fully conscious, of their own free will. They made their choice, and they deserve to be held accountable.
She is an amazing lady. So much dignity even after her ex and so Many men tried to strip her of it. France should immortalize her naming a new Law after her.
50 men who did not think to find themselves there today?? They figured they would just do as they pleased and get away with it? What a contemptible statement.
Yes I agree. The French judicial system has a habit of giving light sentences regardless of the crime, with many of them being “suspended”. So many perpetrators don’t face adequate prison time, or any prison time at all. Many criminals come out of jail only to commit more atrocious crimes. I think this is the beginning. The legal system in France is not friendly to women. There is a long way to go when it comes to violence against women in France, whether it’s rape, domestic violence or even femicide.
I'm an American and I live near one of our major Army bases. We just had a field-grade officer convicted by court-martial for the sexual assault of one of his subordinate officers. The level of violation Mme. Pelicot suffered is unimaginable, and if I sat on a jury for the crime I would have a tough time convicting her of murder had she decided on vengeance. I say this as a combat veteran with PTSD: Anyone who can face the person that assaulted them, accuse them, and survive the trial is heroic. There's simply no other word for it.
I would be furious and enraged. Those men should have gotten the maximum sentence. How much you want to bet they wont go looking for the 30 men they couldn't identify and will consider this case closed? Remember, there were approximately 80 men. Only 50 +/- were tried.
Because the current definition for trafficking requires there’s be financial gain. Dominique didn’t make money from this. It’s outrageous, he trafficked her nonetheless
@@iLoveLadyDiana Why is everyone ignoring the chemicals used? It could have killed her and at some point, as she aged, it was increasingly likely. He even did it to his daughter.
"Shifting judicial focus on actions of perpetrators"? Isn't that what Justice is supposed to be focused on? Evidence. You also mistranslated her statement again, omitting the clause in which she said it was just a victory for the moment, casting doubt on whether it is a change of heart - France remains a deeply patriarchal nation, which is why the convicted thought they could get away with it.
I sincerely hope something actually changes in French society and in France legally! That 20 year sentence is an insult but that was the maximum by law!
This woman is soooo brave! I thank her for her courage because that is what she had to have, to stand tall thru out all of this disgusting story. I think all of us sat in disbelieve that anyone would do this, and it was her husband , not some random person. I don’t know that many people in her sitution would do that. BRAVE BEYOND BELIEVE! ❤
@@Anne--Marie What? Have you seen the videos? There has to be reasons why they can't identify them. Some may have purposely made sure it could be hard to identify them if she woke up. Their faces may not be on the video or clear if it is among other things.
It just gets me that all these men went online and found a website called "without her concent" & thought "that sounds like fun"???? And then went there just to have sex??? WTH!! Never thought it was wrong...never thought the guy was creepy??? Never questioned the idea of having sex with a passed out person???
One of the things you are missing in this report is interviews with legislators to see if there is a willingness to change Frances' laws about domestic abuse, sexual assault, rape, consent, etc, or is it just lip service that things will change for women? You need to put legislators on the record that they will enact stronger laws about those issues and longer sentences for the perpetrators. The patriarchal patterns are entrenched in French and Italian societies, probably a little more than in other places. You can see it in the fashion industry, right? I think the fashion shows started in either one of those countries and it exemplifies how women are objectified even by other women. And, it is all for cash, it is a business after all.
I am horrified (though sadly not surprised) that this kind of thing can happen in today's world. I have, like everyone else, huge admiration for Gisele Pelicot. What she has done has taken tremendous bravery and conviction, and she is an extraordinary example to everyone. Women have every right to feel hugely proud of her, as do we all. The sexist attitudes that make this kind of event possible have to be torn out root and branch. They have been allowed to fester for far too long. A thorough reassessment of masculinity is long overdue. I think it's clear that there are many men who are committed to making things better, but the rest simply have to be prevailed upon. This is unacceptable. It cannot be allowed to continue. No more joking around. No more foot dragging. This has to end. Now.
Thank you. A rare statement of empathy & concern for women from a man in the comment section. I’ve been following this story for a while & read the comments on all articles & I wish more men felt the way you do.
I was intrigued to see the crowd of men around Gisele as she left the court. She thanked the journalists, her lawyer, the judges and her sons for their support and for standing by her. Not all men are depraved. The description of her x has-been's fellow criminals makes a horrifying read. Some had been previously charged with DV, sexual assault and had alcohol and drug addiction issues. I hope sentences become harsher for all sexual crimes and are named, depravity against a man; a woman; a child/ren; a baby.
Excuses by Lawyer Marmillot [ men, we are all boys together]: Dominique did not force THEM; they each are responsible. If not Gisele, the rapists would have found other women to violate.
Her right to anonymity is just a reflection of: it’s her fault and as the rape trials are not open to the public when the victims choose to be anonymous, the rapists is protected and the victim blaming is hidden from the scrutiny of the public. The men that are not inclined to rape are not exposed to the practices and reality that face women . That is what is evident from this case.
Seriously what is wrong with these men? The idea that there were so many men who would do this is frightening. Madame Pelicot is a heroine for women's rights! 🇳🇱
To say that this is a feminist victory is wrong. Saying it that way diminishes the power of what Gisèle Pelicot has demonstrated to the world. She is a hero to everyone.
Gisele is absolutely 100% an amazing, powerful, strong, wonderful human being, and courageous woman. She is an icon for women's strength worldwide.💕👩🏼🌾
This is not about FEMINISM, stop that!!!!! This is about HUMANITY. Women and Men are equal in their rights. Life....Liberty And ....the pursuit of Happiness. Stop making this a tv drama. Madame Pelicot is a hero to SOCIETY. Peace to the World.
... feminism is *literally* about equity for men and women. That's literally the entire point. Just look up the word in the dictionary. The fact that this still goes on means that society isn't equitable and feminism, the idea that men and women should be treated with equity in society, is still very relevant. Trying to say that feminism isn't relevant is saying women should not be treated with equity, which is the opposite of what you seem to be trying to say.
A prison sentence is not just the material fact of imprisonment. It's also about the humiliation and shame that accompany that imprisonment, both for those close to the convict and for society as a whole. And it is precisely one of the issues at stake in this trial: that shame must change sides. Rather than protesting about the lightness of some of the sentences, let's circulate the full list of the defendants' names, indictments and sentences as widely as possible, a list that most mainstream media refuses to publish in my country, in the name of highly debatable ethical criteria: in this way, we will help to give their full weight to the sentences handed down. The full, uncensored list can be found with minimal effort on the websites of the BBC (in English) and Libération (in French).
A plaster icon with little foundation in reality? I hope not! Jehane was from the family of the Cardinal who resolved the Papal Schism, d'Ailly, and her fighting general Gilles de Rais one of the worst child killers in history.
A very innocent or stupid comment. She was heavily sedated, had memory issues, STI’s and didn’t get help from the many doctors she went to. As a senior she was led to believe she had dementia by doctors and of course her ex.
Read the room. She’s a hero & threw the shame back at the rapists. Your comment says nothing about her & every thing about you. Makes one wonder what you’re hiding. 🤔
Poor sweet and courageous woman. My cousin was one of Reynhard Sinaga's victims. He only found out about the unprotected assault after they found video and his wristwatch at the scene. He had absolutely no idea, and i can only imagine how completely violating and disorienting it is to find out _afterwards_ . He was a straight man and im very proud of him for choosing to testify, and dispel the stigma and seek justice. Just as Mrs Pelicot has. This woman is an absolute force of pure resilience. However - the fact that these were male victims, is that why Sinaga recieved a LIFE SENTENCE? Or are individuals reduced down to a numbers game here...? 50+ times to that same woman, or 200+ times to individual seperate men? Who gets to say which is more damaging? Can anyone answer that? I wish her and her family the very best in her trauma recovery. 💗❤️🩹💗
I cant believe we're putting the two words "r@pe" and "culture" back to back and not even blinking from it. Does nobody else see a problem here or....?? ITS 2025 AND WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS PEOPLE 😒
Gisèle's beautiful, vindicated smile is a treasure. She's earned her rest. As for the defense lawyer saying those fifty rapists "weren't meant to be here," ridiculous. Those men walked into that bedroom fully conscious, of their own free will. They made their choice, and they deserve to be held accountable.
She is an amazing lady. So much dignity even after her ex and so
Many men tried to strip her of it. France should immortalize her naming a new Law after her.
She should be TIMEs person of the year. Women in France owe her a huge debt of gratitude. Incredible woman worthy of deepest and utmost respect
ABSOLUTELY!
50 men who did not think to find themselves there today?? They figured they would just do as they pleased and get away with it? What a contemptible statement.
Yeah that was a disgusting thing for him to say...
Because many have gotten away with it, like the 30 other men who are still unidentifiable
Did he really say that his "real crime" is taking down 50 men with him???
@@Alicia9745 Yes, he did. Despicable!
Way too light sentences. Reprehensible behavior deserves harsh punishment.
20 years was the maximum.
@@mwoods1052that needs to change
@@iLoveLadyDianaThe French will need to vote different for that to happen.
Yes I agree. The French judicial system has a habit of giving light sentences regardless of the crime, with many of them being “suspended”. So many perpetrators don’t face adequate prison time, or any prison time at all. Many criminals come out of jail only to commit more atrocious crimes.
I think this is the beginning. The legal system in France is not friendly to women. There is a long way to go when it comes to violence against women in France, whether it’s rape, domestic violence or even femicide.
I'm an American and I live near one of our major Army bases. We just had a field-grade officer convicted by court-martial for the sexual assault of one of his subordinate officers.
The level of violation Mme. Pelicot suffered is unimaginable, and if I sat on a jury for the crime I would have a tough time convicting her of murder had she decided on vengeance.
I say this as a combat veteran with PTSD: Anyone who can face the person that assaulted them, accuse them, and survive the trial is heroic. There's simply no other word for it.
I wish her healing and want her to know how thankful I am. She has stood up for woman all around the world. thank you. watching from Canada.
Wishing her Strength and Good Health🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 From South Africa
Sending Love to her & all women who have survived sexual assaults ❤❤
I would be furious and enraged. Those men should have gotten the maximum sentence. How much you want to bet they wont go looking for the 30 men they couldn't identify and will consider this case closed? Remember, there were approximately 80 men. Only 50 +/- were tried.
SHOW THEIR FACES!!!!!! WHY SHOULD THEY BE SPARED??? She wasn't spared!!!
Yes, I wonder whether rapists have the rights to hide their faces.
Strong and brave woman 💐💐💐💐
That defence lawyer should be disbarred for his despicable comment.
HE’S part of the problem!
Why is he not indicted for trafficking? Why is he not also indicted for kidnapping and assault where he used chemical restraints?
Because the current definition for trafficking requires there’s be financial gain. Dominique didn’t make money from this. It’s outrageous, he trafficked her nonetheless
Perhaps he can be sued or charged further by others
Different laws in France
@@lesliepropheter5040Charged further by others? Like who? He and the other men were charged by the French government as it all happened in France.
@@iLoveLadyDiana Why is everyone ignoring the chemicals used? It could have killed her and at some point, as she aged, it was increasingly likely. He even did it to his daughter.
We must begin to do something differently in raising our boys, and we must do it now.
❤
"Shifting judicial focus on actions of perpetrators"? Isn't that what Justice is supposed to be focused on? Evidence.
You also mistranslated her statement again, omitting the clause in which she said it was just a victory for the moment, casting doubt on whether it is a change of heart - France remains a deeply patriarchal nation, which is why the convicted thought they could get away with it.
Exactly. Given the laughable defense tactics, men will still justify rape as OK
Male violence IS the most serious problem in our world.
@@homerroad Please connect your statement to mine, removing the generalisation, because right now, it can be extended to apply to all humanity.
Women are proud and grateful to Gisele
Shouldn’t that be 20 years x 50?
Yep!
Agree
Should be - laws need to change in France AND all over the world!
I sincerely hope something actually changes in French society and in France legally! That 20 year sentence is an insult but that was the maximum by law!
Globally! The sentences are too lenient!
It will only change if they vote differently. So don't count on it changing.
That guy who said his ultimate crime was that other men have to pay for their actions is obviously a rapist and predator himself.
Shows how entitled they are. They really walk the Earth thinking there is unfair for them to be held accountable for their horrible acts?
What he said is absolutely disgusting. No doubt that he empathizes with rapists.
He definitely sounds like someone that is of a similar mindset to the rapists.
Women around the world are inspired by her strength.
So incredibly strong. Watching in NC in America.
Will she be able to sue some of these men, in civil court, for monetary damages. Recoup, her time and suffering, and medical expenses.
She should have been Time’s Person of the Year.
This woman is soooo brave! I thank her for her courage because that is what she had to have, to stand tall thru out all of this disgusting story. I think all of us sat in disbelieve that anyone would do this, and it was her husband , not some random person. I don’t know that many people in her sitution would do that. BRAVE BEYOND BELIEVE! ❤
*She should have been Times' person of the year, not a sexual assault perp.*
Agreed!
She is an amazing woman! I wish her nothing but peace in her future . Why aren’t the pictures of the men convicted on display?
No, 76 men were not handed sentences...it was 50 plus her husband. They couldn't identify at least 20 of the men in the videos.
Right. They have the information from the website and video proof, yet they cannot identify them. They are protecting people.
They cannot identify them at all. But they may still come across them in other investigations. @Anne--Marie
@@Anne--Marie What? Have you seen the videos? There has to be reasons why they can't identify them. Some may have purposely made sure it could be hard to identify them if she woke up. Their faces may not be on the video or clear if it is among other things.
@manichairdo9265 If they released still photos and videos of their movements from the shoulders up, someone would recognize them.
@Anne--Marie Let's hope they are identified. The pervert could name them, or investigators may be waiting to match or link their digital footprints.
A brave woman a good example to us all !! Bonne courage Gisele
I hope this court victory gives her some comfort. I cannot imagine her pain and loss, but I hope she has peace. The reduced sentences are a sham.
The sentences are too lenient!!!!
It just gets me that all these men went online and found a website called "without her concent" & thought "that sounds like fun"???? And then went there just to have sex??? WTH!! Never thought it was wrong...never thought the guy was creepy??? Never questioned the idea of having sex with a passed out person???
If this verdict shakes the French to their core, there is something very wrong with the French.
I very much doubt this is type of behaviour is limited to France, unfortunately.
@@Txurreznita Exactly... 😢
I Thank this 'REAL WOMAN' for making this known so others can come forth. GOD BLESS HER & HELP OTHERS !!!!!❤
One of the things you are missing in this report is interviews with legislators to see if there is a willingness to change Frances' laws about domestic abuse, sexual assault, rape, consent, etc, or is it just lip service that things will change for women? You need to put legislators on the record that they will enact stronger laws about those issues and longer sentences for the perpetrators.
The patriarchal patterns are entrenched in French and Italian societies, probably a little more than in other places. You can see it in the fashion industry, right? I think the fashion shows started in either one of those countries and it exemplifies how women are objectified even by other women. And, it is all for cash, it is a business after all.
You are absolutely right!
Thank you for your comment. I never realized that fashion shows that objectify women started in France or Italy.
It's bad in the U S. too. Now that Trump was elected and the overturning of Roe v Wade women in America are targets
She is truly brave and caring of others, despite the horrific abuse she had to endure.
I hope she can somehow heal and feel rest now ❤
È una storia devastante non riesco ad accettare una simile crudeltà il marito è un mostro ma anche gli altri l0
I am horrified (though sadly not surprised) that this kind of thing can happen in today's world. I have, like everyone else, huge admiration for Gisele Pelicot. What she has done has taken tremendous bravery and conviction, and she is an extraordinary example to everyone. Women have every right to feel hugely proud of her, as do we all. The sexist attitudes that make this kind of event possible have to be torn out root and branch. They have been allowed to fester for far too long. A thorough reassessment of masculinity is long overdue. I think it's clear that there are many men who are committed to making things better, but the rest simply have to be prevailed upon. This is unacceptable. It cannot be allowed to continue. No more joking around. No more foot dragging. This has to end. Now.
Thank you. A rare statement of empathy & concern for women from a man in the comment section. I’ve been following this story for a while & read the comments on all articles & I wish more men felt the way you do.
I was intrigued to see the crowd of men around Gisele as she left the court. She thanked the journalists, her lawyer, the judges and her sons for their support and for standing by her.
Not all men are depraved. The description of her x has-been's fellow criminals makes a horrifying read. Some had been previously charged with DV, sexual assault and had alcohol and drug addiction issues.
I hope sentences become harsher for all sexual crimes and are named, depravity against a man; a woman; a child/ren; a baby.
How come the website is not taken down.
OMG! The men involved said they didn’t realize this was rape? Please people, teach your sons better.
That goes for parents ALL over the world!
Excuses by Lawyer Marmillot [ men, we are all boys together]: Dominique did not force THEM; they each are responsible. If not Gisele, the rapists would have found other women to violate.
Her right to anonymity is just a reflection of: it’s her fault and as the rape trials are not open to the public when the victims choose to be anonymous, the rapists is protected and the victim blaming is hidden from the scrutiny of the public. The men that are not inclined to rape are not exposed to the practices and reality that face women . That is what is evident from this case.
Seriously what is wrong with these men? The idea that there were so many men who would do this is frightening. Madame Pelicot is a heroine for women's rights! 🇳🇱
To say that this is a feminist victory is wrong. Saying it that way diminishes the power of what Gisèle Pelicot has demonstrated to the world. She is a hero to everyone.
Bravo, bravo!
Gisele is absolutely 100% an amazing, powerful, strong, wonderful human being, and courageous woman. She is an icon for women's strength worldwide.💕👩🏼🌾
Questo è per le giovani donne che sognano il principe azzurro Attenzione,!!!
Parents need to stop saying "boys will be boys."
I hope men who think passing around women is such a macho thing takes notice of this trial.
Tip of the iceberg.... 😢
Show the faces of the convinced men! Let ppl know who they are! Name them!!!
This is not about FEMINISM, stop that!!!!! This is about HUMANITY. Women and Men are equal in their rights. Life....Liberty And ....the pursuit of Happiness. Stop making this a tv drama. Madame Pelicot is a hero to SOCIETY. Peace to the World.
... feminism is *literally* about equity for men and women. That's literally the entire point. Just look up the word in the dictionary. The fact that this still goes on means that society isn't equitable and feminism, the idea that men and women should be treated with equity in society, is still very relevant. Trying to say that feminism isn't relevant is saying women should not be treated with equity, which is the opposite of what you seem to be trying to say.
Right! Every time women want to be treated with dignity and respect we are called feminists and want to destroy the world.
Yes it is. The definition of Feminism is supporting women in all aspects of life.
Maybe check how you've been taught what Feminism is.
A prison sentence is not just the material fact of imprisonment. It's also about the humiliation and shame that accompany that imprisonment, both for those close to the convict and for society as a whole. And it is precisely one of the issues at stake in this trial: that shame must change sides. Rather than protesting about the lightness of some of the sentences, let's circulate the full list of the defendants' names, indictments and sentences as widely as possible, a list that most mainstream media refuses to publish in my country, in the name of highly debatable ethical criteria: in this way, we will help to give their full weight to the sentences handed down.
The full, uncensored list can be found with minimal effort on the websites of the BBC (in English) and Libération (in French).
The charge and investigation should have shaken French society. They may catch up with morals yet.
Doubtful the world hates women
She is the ' Joan de Arc' who deserves the Nobel price !
A plaster icon with little foundation in reality? I hope not! Jehane was from the family of the Cardinal who resolved the Papal Schism, d'Ailly, and her fighting general Gilles de Rais one of the worst child killers in history.
No word how much in awe I am of Gisèle Pelicot!
She is incredible , absolutely incredible human being
I suspect the men who "weren't identified" are probably officials or even public figures in their town or nearby areas 😭 💔
No mention on our news in America of this
Makes you think hmmmm
And you made such a hullabaloo about MeToo.
You mean child sex trafficking by a member of the US congress??
@@peabaseyou haven’t seen nothing yet. Keep it up.
That's why I watch BBC, France 24, Australia 24 and other international news outlets. Our 'news' is garbage.
Because the President elect is one of them. How can they run this story in good faith. Trump is one of them.
50 co-acccursed? There are good men and there are weak men.....shameful that this violence has been inflicted on women.
"Gisele" should be added to every damn dictionary as a synonym for "courage"
La France devrait remplacer Marianne avec Gisele Pelicot.
She's the forced person of courage. Leave her alone!!!!!!
I would like to know how did she find out after all these years ?
If I’m not mistaken she basically discovered the videos on her husbands laptop. She realized that was her in all the videos….
Other clues a woman might have?
what is the difference between charges of r@pe and s3xual assault ?
She really had no idea about the traffic down there?
A very innocent or stupid comment. She was heavily sedated, had memory issues, STI’s and didn’t get help from the many doctors she went to. As a senior she was led to believe she had dementia by doctors and of course her ex.
Do some reading before making assumptions. Your ignorance and bias are being scrutinized here.
Continuous heavy sedation led to blackouts and memory loss.
Have a merry Christmas and a happy Holiday Andrea and Dean and Kiddies to! Enjoy Familytime and see Ya in 2025!
I hope she uses her new found position to hold the government to account for the support it is giving to Israel’s genocide.
Not the appropriate place for this comment........
🤡
Give it a rest. This is not about Israel. It’s about a woman brutalized over and over again.
Why don't You get out there in public and bring attention to it? Too lazy? Just an online SJW? She's done enough, now You go do something.
Why don't you try to bring the hostages back?
Should not have revealed her identity - probably the only one who thinks that. Does her no favours.
The entire point was she wanted to show her face in order to make the statement women should not be ashamed, but the men should.
Ridiculous comment
And you should shut up!
Shame on you! She has more dignity in her little finger than all the men from Avignon
We're all tired of hiding,
carrying shame and fear that belongs to abusers/ rapists!
Read the room. She’s a hero & threw the shame back at the rapists. Your comment says nothing about her & every thing about you. Makes one wonder what you’re hiding. 🤔
Solidarity with Gisele. Women all around the world thank her for her strength and conviction to hold these men accountable.
Poor sweet and courageous woman. My cousin was one of Reynhard Sinaga's victims.
He only found out about the unprotected assault after they found video and his wristwatch at the scene.
He had absolutely no idea, and i can only imagine how completely violating and disorienting it is to find out _afterwards_ .
He was a straight man and im very proud of him for choosing to testify, and dispel the stigma and seek justice.
Just as Mrs Pelicot has. This woman is an absolute force of pure resilience.
However - the fact that these were male victims, is that why Sinaga recieved a LIFE SENTENCE?
Or are individuals reduced down to a numbers game here...?
50+ times to that same woman,
or 200+ times to individual seperate men?
Who gets to say which is more damaging?
Can anyone answer that?
I wish her and her family the very best in her trauma recovery. 💗❤️🩹💗
I cant believe we're putting the two words "r@pe" and "culture" back to back and not even blinking from it.
Does nobody else see a problem here or....??
ITS 2025 AND WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS PEOPLE 😒