Best experience I’ve ever had in video games was my first time loading into the f-16 in vr. It gives you a feel of what sitting in the cockpit is like and it’s completely unreal
@@alejandrocastillo1325 you can play the base game on vr, it includes two maps and two planes. One of the planes is a p-51 without any weaponry (tf-51) and the other is a su-25 frog foot which has weaponry and is a capable ground attack aircraft. The tf-51 is a fully clickable cockpit so all the buttons and levers around you have functions and the su-25 is a low fidelity module so the cockpit isn’t clickable. The low fidelity’s are still very complex though and will take lots of time to learn how to become effective in. So all in all the base game offers a very good starting platform to test the waters and lets you go as far into the game as you want with the free maps and planes. Many multiplayer servers also operate on the base maps so that will be an option for you as well.
Speaking as a Rift S user in DCS I can confirm that there is a zoom function. Go to Controls and the UI Level, and look for Toggle VR zoom. There are two levels - standard, which is handy for zooming in on instruments in the cockpit, and Spyglass which gives a decent level of external zoom. This is a much higher level of zoom than you demonstrated in your video.
How's your Rift S holding up? My son's display port keeps disconnecting after 15-30mins of play and he has to restart Oculus & DCS to get them all working together again. I have the CV1 and haven't had a problem.
@@gloveside It has been 9 or 10 months since I last used my Rift S - got a Reverb G2 in the autumn - but I don't recall having any significant problems.
My problem is that when zooming in the quality of the image is highly deteriorated. Feels like its zooming in on the pre-rendered frames rather than actually rendering a zoomeed in frame.
21:00 I noticed something strange the last time I went to an aviation museum. Before using VR I was always surprised at the size of fighters and bombers, but after using VR for so long I don't even think twice about the size of these aircraft. I already know and have internalized it.
I really appreciate that reactions of joy, when someone else feels the sensation of VR. I usually invite friends to my house, just to let em enjoy Vr experiences. Gratz for your headset.
@@iyhan1987 i planned to get a RTX Card to power the Reverb. My current GTX1080 is not enough for a smooth DCS experience. But there are no RTX Cards avaliable for normal peopel buckets so i sold my ReverbG2 after some days of tweaking and testing. It was a really amazing picture, but too less fps :(
@@marshal1808 I am new to DCS but had vr for about 8 months. Non flight sim game try boneworks its an interesting simulation. I bought the F 18 so I am learning that. Prior I did flight sim 2020.
Very cool demo on DCS on VR...I've own DCS for a long time and have been putting off running VR as I had a bad experience with the first gen Oculus Rift CV1 getting dizzy & nauseous on FSX...I am hoping to get back with new gen VR like the HP Reverb G2 or the Quest2...I'm sure flying on VR world will be the next best to real life, but unfortunately, it is hard to feel what you are conveying without being in your VR world...thanks for sharing and please share your system specs.
I switched to VR for ETS2 back in 2014/15 and was hooked. Had a relatively low end gaming rig and an Oculus DK2. 2010 i7, 8gb ram and a gt640 gpu. Had to use medium settings but I haven't gone back to pancake mode since. By the time I transitioned to DCS in 2018 my system was an i7 4790k at stock, 16gb ram Strix 1080 with a Rift CV1, on decent-ish settings. Obviously the were compromises such as It got a little heavy in the PG map but I had less issues with that setup than my current one with the Reverb G2. I sold my previous system with the CV1 for £600 so don't feel that cost is as prohibitive as it once was to get a good VR experience in DCS.
Very informative! I use HTV Vive at the moment and its too blurry but the immersion is amazing. Its easier to do visual approaches but since I can’t read the gauges I’m a bit limited. I’ll order the Reverb G2 !
Dude I'm in the same exact boat, trying to fly the A-10C is almost impossible with the HTC vive. I was thinking about the Reverb G2 for DCS, does anyone have any experience with this headset + DCS?
@@Flow-.- yes I uppgraded. The wait was long. But got it in February or so. It’s very good picture quality. Amazing. The difference between the Vive is very obvious. I had a really good head harness for the Vive and that was more adjustable and better if more than one would use the headset. My daugthers are a bit angry at the Reverb G2 head straps, it does not fit smaller head that well. You can read every button in the cockpits I’ve tried- F18,16,F14, the low fidelity models in flaming cliffs, the mig-15. So I can highly recommend it. I have a 10900K not overclocked and a 2080ti so I’m not sure if it will stutter a lot with slower systems but then you can tweak it
Got the original Oculus CV1 for DCS. It was a game changer over Track IR or flying on a 2D screen alone. Waiting on my HP Reverb G2 for the improved visuals which the Oculus could not produce. Oculus had too much pixelization for objects at a distance. The VR experience was awesome however.
The VR technology in my opinion is still in R&D it’s still not very accessible and user friendly, so the newer headsets will be better for sure, games will also need to optimised better to suit VR. All the best.
I love it. Went from Rift (1), which was low res, but great for low level sightseeing and especially heli flight practice. Now I have an Index and being able to gauge distance of your target, and where your tracers are going, really helps. I'm not gonna lie, it can take a lot of adjustments to get the framerate high enough... But there are alot of guide on how to do this for games in general, and DCS specifically. I also didn't like War Thunder much before, but using VR lets you maneuver much more easily, scissors and rolling scissors, etc are much more useful when you know (can feel) exactly where you are looking and the direction of your flight. So much easier to jink and avoid a foes line of fire, especially when you can dip below their field of view and make chaotic maneuvers while out of their sight.
I play VR and use harness and risers - being strapped to the seat and having VR on, makes looking back on my 6 o'clock much more difficult than on just a screen.
Quest 2 on i7 7700k, old 1060 OC 6GB version, running perfectly fine in Singleplayer. Multiplayer I think would be awful, but it's enough for me and hundred times better than flatscreen looking around imo. I think what VR in DCS needs most is a augmented reality mode. It's just not easily playable without a keyboard/ever seeing any keys, having a button to turn on a view of your keyboard, such as many vr apps already do, would make it so much better.
So from my experience, the Immersive feeling wow physical reaction is in direct proportion to how motion sick i get from the experience. So the great immersion feeling definitely goes away, it's just VR after awhile. And thats when i personally stopped getting sick everytime i played dcs in vr.
I had a RIFT S. I hated the resolution too pixilated. It was not much better compared to the original CV1 which was also bad (I owned this too). I'm now going to try the Reverb G2. I hear that the display is really good on it. Crossing my fingers that the display is good enough. DCS is also not optimized graphically especially for VR. They need to work on that. But VR on Flight and Driving sims is something to behold. It is awesome.
I actually got motion sickness when I first used it. 🤢 But, thankfully, that went away after a few times using it. 😁 Start slow and don't over do the VR.
Hi, thankfully I have never gotten sick from it at all even during some very intense maneuvering, but I will say this, the very first time I used VR and when I was taxing and had to stop, I actually leaned in and lurch forward had put my hands out I thought I was going to smack into the up front control unit on the F-16. Its intense that's for sure. Thanks
Yes, a high end PC is necessary for VR, because each image now becomes two images that have to be calculated. One for the left eye and one for the right eye. By the way, if you want to record, save the flight as a track and record it "normally". This way you can change the perspective at any time. Unfortunately, in real life you can't see other planes as well as on a monitor. But VR is just more fun.
Got the HP Reverb G2, running on a rtx3080 and i7 10700k. It's as cool as I thought it would be, no question about it, however.... I study Physics full time at uni, and after graduation this year, I will likely continue my studies. First day I tried it, amazing, but I feel uncomfortable with the purchase... Honestly, feels like it was a waste of money. It might be because I don't play videogames so much (since I study abroad), but I also feel that when I put it on, I am isolating myself from everything around me, and.. I don't know... feels wrong. That's my take on VR at the moment, but I only used it for 1.5 hours really.
I know exactly what you mean. There's a feeling of guilt for me that comes with spending A LOT of money on the headset that I did, and then just putting it on "peace"-ing out from the entire world around me. It honestly feels escapist, which makes sense during the pandemic or winter months, but can be a dangerous thing outside of that. I'm getting into my mid 30s now, and at this point in my life, physical health is ESSENTIAL. Basically, your health in your 30s sets the stage for the rest of your life, and quite frankly, too much VR during spare moments of free time can easily take away from healthy outside activities. For someone like you at uni the same thing goes; your energy could be better spent elevating your station in life. But at the end of the day VR brings nothing but time-killing entertainment, and the onus is on US to be able to have the self-control to draw the line from empty fun, and self-improvement.
Your video quality is very good. Is it a replay recording or direct recording and cropped 16/9. Yes, I would be interested on your video recording trick 😉
Hi, really interesting vid. Many Thanks. I 'm curious to know what system you are running because it looks pretty good and runs really smooth. Mine does also until i plug in the G2. I run a Ryzen i7, 8 core 2700x with an RTX 2070strix, on a b450 strix mb with 32GB ram and twin noctua fans. (slightly OC). On my 144 htz 1080 monitor with dcs settings on high to ultra, i get 140 to 180 fps on simple missions, the game looks great and runs like a dream. .( gpu temps are around 45 c) With the Reverb G2 plugged in and dcs set on medium settings. i get 30 to 40 fps if im lucky and everything outside the cockpit is blurred and draggy. ( the runway flag at Detling looks like 2 vertical yellow lines a foot apart with a yellow smudge connecting them and aircraft near or far, look like 2 focker triplanes had a mid air and kept on flying. (gpu temp is 70c). Sadly the G2 was my 1st VR experience and it hasnt yet been a good one so far.( NOT THE FAULT OF THE G2, more my rig being sub par). But I'm now left wondering whether to upgrade the pc to accomadate the g2 or just do without it. (the later would certainly be cheaper) .lol happy new year btw.
Hi there you have 2 “problems” Ryzen and 2070 ... both aren’t powerful enough for the G2... and also DCS is not well optimized... I had a 2700 and 2070 and switched for 5600X and a 3080. I use a rift s and even the 3080 can’t keep 80 fps lock... DCS needs to improve it’s engine. My goal is to buy a G2, but I’m from Brazil and it is not sold here...
Great video! You're absolutely right about TrackIR being a cheat and you have to be careful when you go from TrackIR to VR;. I injured my neck trying to dogfight in VR the same way I did with TrackIR. You must accept the real life limitations of the human body and not try to emulate TrackIR and Owls! Looking directly behind you is not a real life scenario, that's why they have mirrors. Believe me, I'm still suffering after several months! On another note I would love to hear your tips on recording DCS in VR! 🙂👍
Thank you so much for the generously kind words. I hope you get better soon. The weight of the VR headset also adds some more tension to the neck, but as you said it’s more accurate to real life, but those poor fighter pilots are also under heavy G loads whistle turning their heads, so that just makes things even worse. I will absolutely be doing a dedicated video on how to record in VR in the near future. Thank you for watching and all the best.
There’s a free app called “VRnecksafer” that works with dcs and ils2. It allows you to check your six without wrenching your neck. The app is listed on the GitHub I think through the ils2 forums and should come up in a google search.
Hi, you mean how to record VR footage? Well let me tell you its not an easy task at all, and If people want I can make a dedicated video on how to record VR footage. So you can capture footage from either screen, left or right that's what I meant to say.
Is it worth it with a CV1? There are a few around that are pretty cheap now. I'm a pretty occasional gamer so I don't want to spend much on VR, and I'm on the fence about spending anything TBH.
VR looks great, but can the controls be set up so that I don't have to use the cockpit buttons to play the game? I like Ace Combat's user interface, but I'd prefer more realistic physics and ammo counts. The Ace Combat VR uses just the HOTAS for everything... but the only aircraft are the F/A-18, F-22, A-10, and Su-30... And all of them have well over 100 missiles.
i mean i don't even have the game yet, in fact i dont play simulation games, i come from counter strike games but im very competitive in that. i'm still wondering if i should get a vr or just track ir for this to be competitive in a dogfight, it seems like low sens vs high sens argument where you get more accuracy with low sens forearm user but you get tired quicker like VR head turn or get used to med to high sens wrist aimer and be able to look around faster like trackir in cs
Speaking as a Rift S user aswell, without a HOTAS, buy it during Free Month, (april 19th to end of april.) Try it, if you like it well, buy a HOTAS, I'd reccomend it, it is so fun just to f*ck around in a f-18.
oof that 20fps recording footage hurts. Have a i9-9900k and strix 3090 along with my index, still not sure if DCS is worth getting into if it's not getting a stable 90fps.
DCS World is very unique thus you will most likely never get 90fps even without VR. However the frame rates do drop significantly when using VR and then recording at the same time.
A tip for your future dogfights, keep your airspeed up around 350-400kts IAS, don't just yank the stick back cause you'll bleed off all your energy and miss out on your optimal turn rate.. another thing you could use to your advantage is your TWR since it's higher in the Falcon.. either way, if you can maintain optimal turn rate you'll find that it's ridiculously easy to beat the Tomcat.. although if you go up against a human pilot, you may want to use your TWR advantage by sometimes extending because the Tomcat's turn radius can be very small when flaps are down, and on top of that the turn rate is still pretty high so that can cause you a lot of trouble if you purely focus on turn rate in the Falcon.. Hope this helps, good kill though ;) PS: what hardware are you using?
Hi, thank you for the advice, I knew I was using the Viper wrong. I am used to the Hornet.Also thank you for the feedback and watching the video. You mean my computer hardware specs?
@@marshal1808 The Hornet is actually similar, it’s also got an optimum turn rate at around 370-ish kts, except the Hornet has waaaay better AOA authority at low speeds, which is what i believe you were expecting from the Falcon as well :p And yes, hardware specs, specifically what CPU and GPU..
@@marshal1808 interesting, I'm running on a ryzen 5 2600X with a 1070Ti, can't seem to get a decent experience with my rift s.. for example when I try the 8v8 instant mission for the F18 I'm getting a lot of stuttering, any tips that may improve performance? Thx in advance ;)
I've been back and forth on getting VR lately. In the end, I decided that it wasn't worth the risk. An Oculus Quest 2 with an Elite strap and cable would cost me well over $500 CAD. Same with a Rift S. I have read too many comments and reviews from people that get motion sick from most of the games that I'd be interested in VR...flight sims, action (HL Alyx, Boneworks), and racing games (Dirt Rally 2). I also know a few people IRL (very few that have even tried VR really) and more than half of them got sick when trying the high-end demos that were set up in stores or at VR gaming centres. These places have them hooked to high-end PC rigs, so that isn't the issue. Of course people posting videos (and the VR boosters in the comments sections) are always downplaying it as they obviously aren't the ones experiencing it. To me, the chance of sickness relegating my $500 purchase to a doorstop, along with all the other downsides (low resolution and fidelity at the top of that list) keep me from buying. One day maybe they can overcome these hurdles and I'll take the risk.
If you are still in the same mindset I assure you VR is worth it. A few minutes in a headset is really not a complete assessment of what kind of experience you will have. With many people (myself included) when you first try it you will get a little disoriented until your brain adjust. This also happens when you first try to drive or fly in VR. Walking does it to and last at most a minute or 2. If worse and you actually get bad motion sickness the first time and have to stop as is what happened to my wife, you should be OK the next time. She does it now with no problem. I've had VR for 4yrs now and have no issues but of course everyone is different and there are an u lucky segment of the population who will get sick everytime.
@@EazyE11 Yes, I can't recall which VR content creator I heard say it... But I want to say it was Thrillseeker that claimed it took him around a year of heavy usage before he finally got his VR legs under him. Most of my friends, that I try to get to come over for some VR, play so seldom that they often get short of breath or woozy after a 30min. session or so. You'll watch their sessions increase in duration at a fairly rapid pace, as long as they give it a chance, and don't push themselves. @Karl Hungus; I totally agree with @E's comment. I'll add that the tech that is 2 or maybe 3 years out is out of this world, such as brainwave detecting devices that recognize when you're looking at certain shapes and allows you to manipulate a particular object the shape is representative of... To call it telekinesis or mind-control would be hyperbole if you ask me, but it's still jaw-dropping in my opinion.
I would love to play in VR ,but I don't want to be in VR for long hours. So the value for payoff is void. If I got a free set I would be happy. Track IR is my go to.
If you mean the mouse cursor, then you do see it in game, but the actual peripheral as in the mouse it self, then no, same with the keyboard. You have to go by feel, also you have to make sure you have cleared the areas around you of anything that may break or spill, because you will be moving your arms around and as you said you can't see anything around you.
Hi there, I made a video on my settings for DCS VR here is the link th-cam.com/video/K55dfcscU1c/w-d-xo.html Its at the end of the video starting at the 39 minute mark. My fps depends on the map, but normally its around 25-30. I hope that helped. All the best.
Somebody knows how to figure out which places already got optimised for VR? And is there any ambition to make it possible to control inside the cockpit similar to vtol vr?
I got DCS to work decently in VR with my Quest 2 (I have a 3900X CPU/3700 RTX/32 GB 3200 RAM). After trying the new IL2 Battle of Bodenplatte however, I realize how poorly DCS handles VR. The new version of IL2 looks so much better in VR, I can crank everything up, 4K textures, draw distance, AA, etc and it sits at a constant 90 FPS, with no dips and no issues. If you haven't tried IL2 in VR give it a try. Buy IL2 Battle of Bodenplatte and buy a premium plane (I recommend the P38). All for $20-25 and you will be in VR flying gaming bliss!
Wow, so good to hear that, I have IL-2 but sadly not the Battle of Bodenplatte, I will defiantly give it a try, and maybe I can make some IL-2 videos for the channel. Thanks. All the best.
That's very difficult to say, since I have only had one, the RIFT S. Just remember as time goes on, VR is going to get better and better so waiting isn't a bad option. Most headsets now are very resource heavy, i.e they require a very powerful PC to run.
20-25 ish, frames because I set the quality for the pixel density really high. The lower the pixel density the better performance, but less image clarity.
What hardware are you using and settings? I have had my system for over a year now i9 9900k 32gb ddr4 3200mhz ram and a 2080ti and a rift s and it looks like pure arse!!
Hi, I have had a lot of people asking me about that, and to be honest I don't have a top of the line computer, but I will make a dedicate video on how to optimize the game for VR. If I wasn't recording as well the game would have been even better looking, but since I also have to record its an additional cost on the system.
In fact, DCS is more suitable for VR than FS2020. The FS202020 is not smooth when viewed through VR and is hard to feel 100% beautiful graphics in VR, but there is nothing better than VR in combat flight simulations that require a rapid change of view such as DCS and focus on combat than on the landscape. I'm using reverseb G2.
Hello Field Marshal, about the performance I have some advice's for weaker PC's -Install VR Shaders, it have a HUGE impact, I played DCS on 45FPS(enough) in acceptable settings with a GTX 1060. The Shaders cut out the corners that you don't see. Here is a Guide, th-cam.com/video/ZyrAIhXFpv0/w-d-xo.html -If you have high FPS on a stronger PC, you will still have short hard frame drops. The issue for this is that the software allows open FPS, but sometimes on high load it jumps to "fix 45FPS" Profile. This is the reason of these micro lag. To fix it, install "Oculus Debug Tool" and set "Asynchronous Spacewarp" to fix 45FPS. Yes you have "only" 45FPS than but the game is running extreme soothe.
Hi, I am getting asked that question a lot, and thank you for watching the video and commenting, I appreciate it. So I am going to do another VR video for DCS this time explaining how to record video, but I will also include in what setting I use and why. Cheers, all the best.
For anyone watching this, you will feel extremely nauseous the first flights. For me, it was so bad I scrapped VR altogether. It was absolutely horrible
Hi, I really can’t recommend any other VR headset as I only have had the one I am currently using. However waiting until the next generation of headsets come out wouldn’t be a bad idea.
VR alone is not good without a good HOTAS. You need to be able to assign as many functions as possible because you lose a lot of your ability to point and click since it’s so difficult to judge the position of the mouse or keyboard. The virtual cockpit looks great, but it can be blurry, hard to see and difficult to adjust. DCS is way too complicated for most VR tasks. Simpler games may be less complicated.
So what do I need if I only want to use it as a better trackir alternative? The headset.. Some kind of sensor which follows the headset movement? Do pc specs matter here? I play dcs with gtx960m, do I need to upgrade if I want vr?
Hi, I can only talk about the Oculus Rift S and that particular headset doesn't require any kind of wall mounted sensors to track the Head or Hand movements. The headset comes with sensors built into it that allow 6 point tracking and ofcourse it also come with the two hand controllers too. As for graphics and PC requirements it better to look at the headset website, but I am currently running a RTX 2070 Super and it feels like its not enough and it also depends on game optimization too. Some maps on DCS World are very nicely optimized for VR and some are not. Overall though its important to keep in mind that VR is still in a research and development phase it can be very tricky to setup and use daily, its buggy and it feels like its not prime time ready honestly. I have personally have been very impressed by DCS VR and won't ever want to play with TRACK IR again, but VR daily use is defiantly isn't as easy and comfortable. Hope that helped. All the best.
@@marshal1808 that is a very helpful response, thank You! Although there are a few points here that I don't follow. Why there are such big requirements for pc specs like a powerful graphics card? Isn't VR goggles just another screen that is simply mounted in front of one's eyes? And why would MAPS have anything to do with it? I mean, a sample trackir experience is far better with well made 6dof 3d cockpits, but maps?
Okay, so the Rift s has two 2K screens, one for each eye. Then the same footage is again displayed on your monitor as well so that like have a triple monitor setup. The most resource heavy part of DCS are the maps, the environment textures, clouds and of course the distance at which high quality textures start to render in.
Hi, the shaking comes from the person wearing the headset, so if the user can hold their head perfectly still then there is no shaking. However I sometimes notice some shaking even though I am sitting perfectly still, but that is to do with the calibration and alignment issues. All the best.
Honestly DCS is amazing with VR but, VR as a whole is a technology that is still in its early years and it feels like that too, its not very user friendly at the moment. You can always look to upgrade some parts on your PC rather than buying a completely new one. All the best.
@@marshal1808 Thx for advice. I play on a laptop (i7, GTX1070, 16GB Ram). That's ok but if I start VR, then all in ^^ I guess I will wait for the new HP Reverb G2. Apart from the FOV, this should be another step in the right direction.
Hi come back to the channel tomorrow around this time and there will be a very detailed video explaining how to record game play in VR. I hope that helps. All the best.
DCS is the best in VR! My opinion.... I would not play DCS any other way. Once you play DCS in VR you will never go back (There is no comparison, its like driving a car on a Playstation and then driving a car for real.). With an HP Reverb G2, it is great! Can not wait for Vulkan in DCS (High hopes.).
I tried VR in DCS with the Pimax 5K Super and I somehow got terrible latency issues, up to like 40 ms while other full VR games are perfectly fine at around 10 ms.. i even tried to reduce my graphics settings and it had diminishing results.. For me the VR experience in DCS is terrible - I can't read the small text without zooming and if i turn my head the whole screen tears trying to keep up.. it's literally unplayable for me and I just bought the RTX 3060 Ti which performs better than my old GTX 1070. Without VR I easily get around 70-80 fps on the highest settings with around 80k visual range. then I can use OpenTracker with AITrack for headtracking but I'd like VR to work.. I don't know if you have any solutions. I've tried anything.. Lower graphics settings, messing with NVIDIA GE application, reinstalling drivers, updating OS, reinstalling the game using lower pixel density, reducing the VR resolution in Steam VR to 25%... Nothing really removes the tearing effect..
@@marshal1808 The only reason I bought the Pimax is because my Oculus Rift S died on me.. Also I generally had problems with the oculus software on my pc so I decided to ditch it all together. Then I got DCS after seeing it as a recommended vid in a pimax headset review.. So no, have only tried this headset with DCS, but tried other VR games and it works just fine so I put the blame on DCS for not being optimized enough for VR, sorry :)
I can get 110fps on my 100hz Ultrawide in DCS on everything low. Which is great for my monitor, and awful for my eyes. With the graphics right up to high I can get 43 average to 50 max. This is going to be painful when I attempt VR isn't it? I'm not emotionally ready for this level of frustration.
Isnt that sad a negative is to do a normal function. "turn your head" that's like saying play Virtual football you have to swing your arm to throw a football rather than press the button.
So true, but what I meant was that if you verse other pilots using head tracking, the VR user would be at a significant disadvantage. Also it does get very exhausting in intense dogfights.
I am going to make VR/DCS video soon, but just for you this is my computer specs; core i7 @ 3.7 GHz, 32 GB DDR4 ram, NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super graphics card. Overall an old computer that I put together myself 6 years ago, but the graphics card is new. Hope that answers your questions. I will make another DCS VR video explaining more stuff including optimising stuff. All the best.
I tested Oculus Quest 2 this weekend in an Expo in my town. My expectations were really high. It didn't look clear or amazing to me, I was disappointed. What I saw was something more like this other video: th-cam.com/video/ny_OPsxHQmU/w-d-xo.html Is it really look like this ?
"F-14 should be easy to kill" lol only if the pilot has no idea of what he is doing, if he knows his plane he will put you on the defensive every time, that thing can out rate and outpower anything lol About the VR, yep its a game changer, i have an old rift, and no 4k or 8k monitor will make me go back to track IR lol
Just some help with your dogfighting, you're much too slow in the F-16: try to stick to 350-450 knots IAS, also you have your geometry mixed up, the scissors is an example of a 1 circle geometey while a standard turn rate fight is a 2 circle geometry
Hi, yes I knew I wasn't using the Viper incorrectly, but are you sure a standard turn fight is two circles? Anyways thank you for the feedback and thank you for watching.
@@marshal1808 I'm 100% sure, I know its not very intuitive but the best way to know the difference is to look at the aircraft across from you and if their nose is point the opposite direction of yours you are in 2 circle, if they are pointed the same direction you are in 1 circle. It's based on flight paths from the merge. Just Google "dogfight geometry" and go to images and you should fine it and it will make more sense
Just saying, if u want a rly good experience in VR, you would need about 90 fps which would be around 120 fps on a monitor, to achieve that u don't only need a good GPU and CPU but pretty decent RAM like 16 - 32 gigs of CL16 3600 mhz RAM (ik that 3600 mhz is expensive but cmon, u probably have a 2080 or 3080 so u can probably afford it)
Not to worry, VR will be much better later on. Hopefully then you can have a good enough computer to enjoy an even better experience than now. Games are going to get better optimization for VR as well. All the best.
Best experience I’ve ever had in video games was my first time loading into the f-16 in vr. It gives you a feel of what sitting in the cockpit is like and it’s completely unreal
Yep….me too. Until you start rolling and turning for the first time🤣
hey I'm thinking about playing this on VR but, do you know what does the base game includes?
@@alejandrocastillo1325 you can play the base game on vr, it includes two maps and two planes. One of the planes is a p-51 without any weaponry (tf-51) and the other is a su-25 frog foot which has weaponry and is a capable ground attack aircraft. The tf-51 is a fully clickable cockpit so all the buttons and levers around you have functions and the su-25 is a low fidelity module so the cockpit isn’t clickable. The low fidelity’s are still very complex though and will take lots of time to learn how to become effective in. So all in all the base game offers a very good starting platform to test the waters and lets you go as far into the game as you want with the free maps and planes. Many multiplayer servers also operate on the base maps so that will be an option for you as well.
Speaking as a Rift S user in DCS I can confirm that there is a zoom function. Go to Controls and the UI Level, and look for Toggle VR zoom. There are two levels - standard, which is handy for zooming in on instruments in the cockpit, and Spyglass which gives a decent level of external zoom. This is a much higher level of zoom than you demonstrated in your video.
ok thx
How's your Rift S holding up? My son's display port keeps disconnecting after 15-30mins of play and he has to restart Oculus & DCS to get them all working together again. I have the CV1 and haven't had a problem.
@@gloveside It has been 9 or 10 months since I last used my Rift S - got a Reverb G2 in the autumn - but I don't recall having any significant problems.
@@gloveside CV1 is an old model, don't know if they still update the drivers on this one
My problem is that when zooming in the quality of the image is highly deteriorated. Feels like its zooming in on the pre-rendered frames rather than actually rendering a zoomeed in frame.
21:00 I noticed something strange the last time I went to an aviation museum. Before using VR I was always surprised at the size of fighters and bombers, but after using VR for so long I don't even think twice about the size of these aircraft. I already know and have internalized it.
I really appreciate that reactions of joy, when someone else feels the sensation of VR. I usually invite friends to my house, just to let em enjoy Vr experiences. Gratz for your headset.
Did the same when I got mine, until I started playing DCS I had the headset and all my friends had more hours on it :D
Also, at first I kept hitting my fingers on the monitor trying to reach out and use the switches, etc. LOL It feels so real.
once oculus gets its hand-tracking out to the public its going to be a total game-changer
Interesting and informative commentary. I'm finally making the leap to VR next month. Very much looking forward to it. :)
Thank you for watching my friend. I hope you enjoy your VR and all the best.
Thank you for the video. My first - when I looked around was - "Wow! that wings are huge!".
Thanks for this video. Exactly what i was looking for while waiting for my reverb g2. Will be my first VR experience ever
Hi, you are very welcome and thank you for watching and I greatly appreciate your feedback. All the best.
You are in for a real treat!
Have you got it? How does it feel?
@@iyhan1987 i planned to get a RTX Card to power the Reverb. My current GTX1080 is not enough for a smooth DCS experience.
But there are no RTX Cards avaliable for normal peopel buckets so i sold my ReverbG2 after some days of tweaking and testing.
It was a really amazing picture, but too less fps :(
@@IvisibleCat sad but true... luckily I've managed to get 3080 for recommend price or near it. But I'm still not sure I'll get normal frame rate
Great video. Tested Vr a while ago with the Rift S. Can't wait till i get my own.
Thank you my friend, I am glad that you enjoyed the video and thank you for watching, VR technology will keep getting better and better. All the best.
@@marshal1808 I am new to DCS but had vr for about 8 months. Non flight sim game try boneworks its an interesting simulation. I bought the F 18 so I am learning that. Prior I did flight sim 2020.
Excellent video. Thank you
Very cool demo on DCS on VR...I've own DCS for a long time and have been putting off running VR as I had a bad experience with the first gen Oculus Rift CV1 getting dizzy & nauseous on FSX...I am hoping to get back with new gen VR like the HP Reverb G2 or the Quest2...I'm sure flying on VR world will be the next best to real life, but unfortunately, it is hard to feel what you are conveying without being in your VR world...thanks for sharing and please share your system specs.
i love the headset and it works perfect for me, got the settings dailed and its crisp and clear
I switched to VR for ETS2 back in 2014/15 and was hooked. Had a relatively low end gaming rig and an Oculus DK2. 2010 i7, 8gb ram and a gt640 gpu. Had to use medium settings but I haven't gone back to pancake mode since.
By the time I transitioned to DCS in 2018 my system was an i7 4790k at stock, 16gb ram Strix 1080 with a Rift CV1, on decent-ish settings. Obviously the were compromises such as It got a little heavy in the PG map but I had less issues with that setup than my current one with the Reverb G2.
I sold my previous system with the CV1 for £600 so don't feel that cost is as prohibitive as it once was to get a good VR experience in DCS.
Very informative! I use HTV Vive at the moment and its too blurry but the immersion is amazing. Its easier to do visual approaches but since I can’t read the gauges I’m a bit limited. I’ll order the Reverb G2 !
Thank you. All the best.
Dude I'm in the same exact boat, trying to fly the A-10C is almost impossible with the HTC vive. I was thinking about the Reverb G2 for DCS, does anyone have any experience with this headset + DCS?
@@Flow-.- yes I uppgraded. The wait was long. But got it in February or so. It’s very good picture quality. Amazing. The difference between the Vive is very obvious. I had a really good head harness for the Vive and that was more adjustable and better if more than one would use the headset. My daugthers are a bit angry at the Reverb G2 head straps, it does not fit smaller head that well.
You can read every button in the cockpits I’ve tried- F18,16,F14, the low fidelity models in flaming cliffs, the mig-15. So I can highly recommend it. I have a 10900K not overclocked and a 2080ti so I’m not sure if it will stutter a lot with slower systems but then you can tweak it
Abso-frickin-lutely it is! If you have deep enough pockets for your PC and the time and inclination to optimize it, to tweak it.
Got the original Oculus CV1 for DCS. It was a game changer over Track IR or flying on a 2D screen alone. Waiting on my HP Reverb G2 for the improved visuals which the Oculus could not produce. Oculus had too much pixelization for objects at a distance. The VR experience was awesome however.
The VR technology in my opinion is still in R&D it’s still not very accessible and user friendly, so the newer headsets will be better for sure, games will also need to optimised better to suit VR. All the best.
Did you ever get your G2 yet?
Formation flying, refueling should be easier in VR, gonna try it soon
I love it. Went from Rift (1), which was low res, but great for low level sightseeing and especially heli flight practice. Now I have an Index and being able to gauge distance of your target, and where your tracers are going, really helps. I'm not gonna lie, it can take a lot of adjustments to get the framerate high enough... But there are alot of guide on how to do this for games in general, and DCS specifically.
I also didn't like War Thunder much before, but using VR lets you maneuver much more easily, scissors and rolling scissors, etc are much more useful when you know (can feel) exactly where you are looking and the direction of your flight. So much easier to jink and avoid a foes line of fire, especially when you can dip below their field of view and make chaotic maneuvers while out of their sight.
I play VR and use harness and risers - being strapped to the seat and having VR on, makes looking back on my 6 o'clock much more difficult than on just a screen.
Quest 2 on i7 7700k, old 1060 OC 6GB version, running perfectly fine in Singleplayer. Multiplayer I think would be awful, but it's enough for me and hundred times better than flatscreen looking around imo.
I think what VR in DCS needs most is a augmented reality mode. It's just not easily playable without a keyboard/ever seeing any keys, having a button to turn on a view of your keyboard, such as many vr apps already do, would make it so much better.
Looks amazing
Thank you for watching I appreciate it. All the best.
So from my experience, the Immersive feeling wow physical reaction is in direct proportion to how motion sick i get from the experience. So the great immersion feeling definitely goes away, it's just VR after awhile. And thats when i personally stopped getting sick everytime i played dcs in vr.
I had a RIFT S. I hated the resolution too pixilated. It was not much better compared to the original CV1 which was also bad (I owned this too). I'm now going to try the Reverb G2. I hear that the display is really good on it. Crossing my fingers that the display is good enough. DCS is also not optimized graphically especially for VR. They need to work on that. But VR on Flight and Driving sims is something to behold. It is awesome.
Yes objects at a distance look somewhat pixelated. All the best.
Nice video man ty.
Thanks, your welcome
I actually got motion sickness when I first used it. 🤢 But, thankfully, that went away after a few times using it. 😁 Start slow and don't over do the VR.
Hi, thankfully I have never gotten sick from it at all even during some very intense maneuvering, but I will say this, the very first time I used VR and when I was taxing and had to stop, I actually leaned in and lurch forward had put my hands out I thought I was going to smack into the up front control unit on the F-16. Its intense that's for sure. Thanks
Fans help a lot, I use a fan necklace thing it eliminates motion sickness while also keeping your lens' unfogged
But the narrow fov is why you need to turn further than in real life!!!
Half the turn is with your eyes in real life.
Thats why its harder in VR.
Great video on VR
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, a high end PC is necessary for VR, because each image now becomes two images that have to be calculated. One for the left eye and one for the right eye.
By the way, if you want to record, save the flight as a track and record it "normally". This way you can change the perspective at any time.
Unfortunately, in real life you can't see other planes as well as on a monitor.
But VR is just more fun.
record the track after playing and it will be smooth as well as being able to see everything. not through the goggles. but VR on DCS is amazing!
I record all my DCS VR videos live, so I will record as I am playing. Thanks
Great video, really informative. May I ask what is your current computer configuration? Thank you.
Ordered the reverb G2 . Higher resolution . And I’ll see if it’s better at distance object
so is it worth it?
@@DudeGiveITup yes. it's the only vr you need right now
Nice review
Only two screens for your eyes? What about a third screen for my third eye?
Use the toilet
I have trackIR and VR and there is no comparison, VR is the only way to play if you can do it.
Correct, VR is so much better, but if you plan on recording footage VR is an absolute nightmare. Thanks
Index YES its all i do with DCS you can see things fine
for NVDIA cards, I recommend not using obs.. use shadowplay, with 1080p 25 bitrate
u can use Steam VR view full screen
Got the HP Reverb G2, running on a rtx3080 and i7 10700k. It's as cool as I thought it would be, no question about it, however.... I study Physics full time at uni, and after graduation this year, I will likely continue my studies. First day I tried it, amazing, but I feel uncomfortable with the purchase... Honestly, feels like it was a waste of money. It might be because I don't play videogames so much (since I study abroad), but I also feel that when I put it on, I am isolating myself from everything around me, and.. I don't know... feels wrong.
That's my take on VR at the moment, but I only used it for 1.5 hours really.
I know exactly what you mean. There's a feeling of guilt for me that comes with spending A LOT of money on the headset that I did, and then just putting it on "peace"-ing out from the entire world around me. It honestly feels escapist, which makes sense during the pandemic or winter months, but can be a dangerous thing outside of that.
I'm getting into my mid 30s now, and at this point in my life, physical health is ESSENTIAL. Basically, your health in your 30s sets the stage for the rest of your life, and quite frankly, too much VR during spare moments of free time can easily take away from healthy outside activities. For someone like you at uni the same thing goes; your energy could be better spent elevating your station in life. But at the end of the day VR brings nothing but time-killing entertainment, and the onus is on US to be able to have the self-control to draw the line from empty fun, and self-improvement.
I also felt like a total nerd all of sudden and quickly returned it😅
Be sure to stretch before flying in VR.
Your video quality is very good.
Is it a replay recording or direct recording and cropped 16/9.
Yes, I would be interested on your video recording trick 😉
Hi, really interesting vid. Many Thanks.
I 'm curious to know what system you are running because it looks pretty good and runs really smooth. Mine does also until i plug in the G2. I run a Ryzen i7, 8 core 2700x with an RTX 2070strix, on a b450 strix mb with 32GB ram and twin noctua fans. (slightly OC).
On my 144 htz 1080 monitor with dcs settings on high to ultra, i get 140 to 180 fps on simple missions, the game looks great and runs like a dream. .( gpu temps are around 45 c)
With the Reverb G2 plugged in and dcs set on medium settings. i get 30 to 40 fps if im lucky and everything outside the cockpit is blurred and draggy. ( the runway flag at Detling looks like 2 vertical yellow lines a foot apart with a yellow smudge connecting them and aircraft near or far, look like 2 focker triplanes had a mid air and kept on flying. (gpu temp is 70c). Sadly the G2 was my 1st VR experience and it hasnt yet been a good one so far.( NOT THE FAULT OF THE G2, more my rig being sub par). But I'm now left wondering whether to upgrade the pc to accomadate the g2 or just do without it. (the later would certainly be cheaper) .lol happy new year btw.
Hi there you have 2 “problems” Ryzen and 2070 ... both aren’t powerful enough for the G2... and also DCS is not well optimized... I had a 2700 and 2070 and switched for 5600X and a 3080. I use a rift s and even the 3080 can’t keep 80 fps lock... DCS needs to improve it’s engine.
My goal is to buy a G2, but I’m from Brazil and it is not sold here...
Great video! You're absolutely right about TrackIR being a cheat and you have to be careful when you go from TrackIR to VR;. I injured my neck trying to dogfight in VR the same way I did with TrackIR. You must accept the real life limitations of the human body and not try to emulate TrackIR and Owls! Looking directly behind you is not a real life scenario, that's why they have mirrors. Believe me, I'm still suffering after several months! On another note I would love to hear your tips on recording DCS in VR! 🙂👍
Thank you so much for the generously kind words. I hope you get better soon. The weight of the VR headset also adds some more tension to the neck, but as you said it’s more accurate to real life, but those poor fighter pilots are also under heavy G loads whistle turning their heads, so that just makes things even worse. I will absolutely be doing a dedicated video on how to record in VR in the near future. Thank you for watching and all the best.
@@marshal1808 actually VR has it's own personal cheat: you can move your head out of the canopy :)
There’s a free app called “VRnecksafer” that works with dcs and ils2. It allows you to check your six without wrenching your neck. The app is listed on the GitHub I think through the ils2 forums and should come up in a google search.
@@alexburke1899 thanks for the tip, I'll have a look 👍
You have a choice. VR or trackir . It's a game asset . Not even close to cheating.
would you mind explaining more of how you recorded VR (monocle one eye)?
Hi, you mean how to record VR footage? Well let me tell you its not an easy task at all, and If people want I can make a dedicated video on how to record VR footage. So you can capture footage from either screen, left or right that's what I meant to say.
@@marshal1808 yes, exactly. A video explaining how would greatly help me.
Is it worth it with a CV1? There are a few around that are pretty cheap now. I'm a pretty occasional gamer so I don't want to spend much on VR, and I'm on the fence about spending anything TBH.
VR looks great, but can the controls be set up so that I don't have to use the cockpit buttons to play the game?
I like Ace Combat's user interface, but I'd prefer more realistic physics and ammo counts. The Ace Combat VR uses just the HOTAS for everything... but the only aircraft are the F/A-18, F-22, A-10, and Su-30... And all of them have well over 100 missiles.
yes, in fact the free planes do not have fully functioning cockpits. Everything can be mapped to hotas
i mean i don't even have the game yet, in fact i dont play simulation games, i come from counter strike games but im very competitive in that. i'm still wondering if i should get a vr or just track ir for this to be competitive in a dogfight, it seems like low sens vs high sens argument where you get more accuracy with low sens forearm user but you get tired quicker like VR head turn or get used to med to high sens wrist aimer and be able to look around faster like trackir in cs
Speaking as a Rift S user aswell, without a HOTAS, buy it during Free Month, (april 19th to end of april.)
Try it, if you like it well, buy a HOTAS, I'd reccomend it, it is so fun just to f*ck around in a f-18.
oof that 20fps recording footage hurts. Have a i9-9900k and strix 3090 along with my index, still not sure if DCS is worth getting into if it's not getting a stable 90fps.
DCS World is very unique thus you will most likely never get 90fps even without VR. However the frame rates do drop significantly when using VR and then recording at the same time.
A tip for your future dogfights, keep your airspeed up around 350-400kts IAS, don't just yank the stick back cause you'll bleed off all your energy and miss out on your optimal turn rate.. another thing you could use to your advantage is your TWR since it's higher in the Falcon.. either way, if you can maintain optimal turn rate you'll find that it's ridiculously easy to beat the Tomcat.. although if you go up against a human pilot, you may want to use your TWR advantage by sometimes extending because the Tomcat's turn radius can be very small when flaps are down, and on top of that the turn rate is still pretty high so that can cause you a lot of trouble if you purely focus on turn rate in the Falcon.. Hope this helps, good kill though ;)
PS: what hardware are you using?
Hi, thank you for the advice, I knew I was using the Viper wrong. I am used to the Hornet.Also thank you for the feedback and watching the video. You mean my computer hardware specs?
@@marshal1808 The Hornet is actually similar, it’s also got an optimum turn rate at around 370-ish kts, except the Hornet has waaaay better AOA authority at low speeds, which is what i believe you were expecting from the Falcon as well :p
And yes, hardware specs, specifically what CPU and GPU..
Okay so my GPU is new its the RTX 2070 Super, but I need to upgrade my CPU, its an old i7-4820K @ 3.7GHz. I also have 32GB of DDR4 ram. All the best
@@marshal1808 interesting, I'm running on a ryzen 5 2600X with a 1070Ti, can't seem to get a decent experience with my rift s.. for example when I try the 8v8 instant mission for the F18 I'm getting a lot of stuttering, any tips that may improve performance?
Thx in advance ;)
The most resource taxing thing is the distance from which the game starts to load textures, so that can be lowered for higher performance.
Can you play standing up or do you need to use rudder pedals?
if you're starting VR on a budget get the quest 2 if not get the valve index (yes VR is worth it)
Can you make a video with yours settings in DCS for the Rift S? I’m struggling with mine despite my powerful rig (5600X, 3080, 32gb)...
prob a CPU bottleneck
I've been back and forth on getting VR lately. In the end, I decided that it wasn't worth the risk. An Oculus Quest 2 with an Elite strap and cable would cost me well over $500 CAD. Same with a Rift S.
I have read too many comments and reviews from people that get motion sick from most of the games that I'd be interested in VR...flight sims, action (HL Alyx, Boneworks), and racing games (Dirt Rally 2). I also know a few people IRL (very few that have even tried VR really) and more than half of them got sick when trying the high-end demos that were set up in stores or at VR gaming centres. These places have them hooked to high-end PC rigs, so that isn't the issue.
Of course people posting videos (and the VR boosters in the comments sections) are always downplaying it as they obviously aren't the ones experiencing it. To me, the chance of sickness relegating my $500 purchase to a doorstop, along with all the other downsides (low resolution and fidelity at the top of that list) keep me from buying. One day maybe they can overcome these hurdles and I'll take the risk.
If you are still in the same mindset I assure you VR is worth it. A few minutes in a headset is really not a complete assessment of what kind of experience you will have. With many people (myself included) when you first try it you will get a little disoriented until your brain adjust. This also happens when you first try to drive or fly in VR. Walking does it to and last at most a minute or 2. If worse and you actually get bad motion sickness the first time and have to stop as is what happened to my wife, you should be OK the next time. She does it now with no problem. I've had VR for 4yrs now and have no issues but of course everyone is different and there are an u lucky segment of the population who will get sick everytime.
@@EazyE11 Yes, I can't recall which VR content creator I heard say it... But I want to say it was Thrillseeker that claimed it took him around a year of heavy usage before he finally got his VR legs under him.
Most of my friends, that I try to get to come over for some VR, play so seldom that they often get short of breath or woozy after a 30min. session or so. You'll watch their sessions increase in duration at a fairly rapid pace, as long as they give it a chance, and don't push themselves.
@Karl Hungus; I totally agree with @E's comment. I'll add that the tech that is 2 or maybe 3 years out is out of this world, such as brainwave detecting devices that recognize when you're looking at certain shapes and allows you to manipulate a particular object the shape is representative of... To call it telekinesis or mind-control would be hyperbole if you ask me, but it's still jaw-dropping in my opinion.
Hi, what is your configuration in game for VR? have you set it to default VR?
I would love to play in VR ,but I don't want to be in VR for long hours. So the value for payoff is void. If I got a free set I would be happy. Track IR is my go to.
What about mouse interface? How do you click the buttons in the cockpit? 'Cause you can't see your mouse or anything like that can you?
If you mean the mouse cursor, then you do see it in game, but the actual peripheral as in the mouse it self, then no, same with the keyboard. You have to go by feel, also you have to make sure you have cleared the areas around you of anything that may break or spill, because you will be moving your arms around and as you said you can't see anything around you.
it needs 1-2 generations more on gfx and cpu power, we are just starting.....
Is the ryzen 3800x enough for dcs vr? Paired with 3070
What are the settings you are running DCS for the Rift-S? What are you FPS?
Hi there, I made a video on my settings for DCS VR here is the link th-cam.com/video/K55dfcscU1c/w-d-xo.html Its at the end of the video starting at the 39 minute mark. My fps depends on the map, but normally its around 25-30. I hope that helped. All the best.
what is the music at the end of video?
Somebody knows how to figure out which places already got optimised for VR? And is there any ambition to make it possible to control inside the cockpit similar to vtol vr?
you can use hand controls but there pretty bad if you want a full vr experience i would just stick to vtol vr
I got DCS to work decently in VR with my Quest 2 (I have a 3900X CPU/3700 RTX/32 GB 3200 RAM). After trying the new IL2 Battle of Bodenplatte however, I realize how poorly DCS handles VR. The new version of IL2 looks so much better in VR, I can crank everything up, 4K textures, draw distance, AA, etc and it sits at a constant 90 FPS, with no dips and no issues. If you haven't tried IL2 in VR give it a try. Buy IL2 Battle of Bodenplatte and buy a premium plane (I recommend the P38). All for $20-25 and you will be in VR flying gaming bliss!
Wow, so good to hear that, I have IL-2 but sadly not the Battle of Bodenplatte, I will defiantly give it a try, and maybe I can make some IL-2 videos for the channel. Thanks. All the best.
which VR system should I get tho??? Recommendations?
That's very difficult to say, since I have only had one, the RIFT S. Just remember as time goes on, VR is going to get better and better so waiting isn't a bad option. Most headsets now are very resource heavy, i.e they require a very powerful PC to run.
What frame rate were you getting when you made this video? Thanks!
20-25 ish, frames because I set the quality for the pixel density really high. The lower the pixel density the better performance, but less image clarity.
I get the feeling im loosing a bit using my HTC Vive :P
update to index hardware bit by bit, fully worth it coming from a vive user as well
@@evolicious won't it run like way worse though? I get around 30 fps just with the og vive, and i have a 2070S
hello ser.
what is your setup? what gfx card?
Hello, I am currently using rtx 2070 Super.
What hardware are you using and settings? I have had my system for over a year now i9 9900k 32gb ddr4 3200mhz ram and a 2080ti and a rift s and it looks like pure arse!!
Hi, I have had a lot of people asking me about that, and to be honest I don't have a top of the line computer, but I will make a dedicate video on how to optimize the game for VR. If I wasn't recording as well the game would have been even better looking, but since I also have to record its an additional cost on the system.
I have the same issue. same hardware as you, excpet my 2080 is not a ti
Is all that stuttering a TH-cam or vr recording thing or is it also stuttering like that in game?
Not stuttering but jittering
In fact, DCS is more suitable for VR than FS2020. The FS202020 is not smooth when viewed through VR and is hard to feel 100% beautiful graphics in VR, but there is nothing better than VR in combat flight simulations that require a rapid change of view such as DCS and focus on combat than on the landscape. I'm using reverseb G2.
The oculus rift s actually only has one display.
Will this thing run on a m1 max
Hello Field Marshal, about the performance I have some advice's for weaker PC's
-Install VR Shaders, it have a HUGE impact, I played DCS on 45FPS(enough) in acceptable settings with a GTX 1060. The Shaders cut out the corners that you don't see.
Here is a Guide, th-cam.com/video/ZyrAIhXFpv0/w-d-xo.html
-If you have high FPS on a stronger PC, you will still have short hard frame drops. The issue for this is that the software allows open FPS, but sometimes on high load it jumps to "fix 45FPS" Profile. This is the reason of these micro lag. To fix it, install "Oculus Debug Tool" and set "Asynchronous Spacewarp" to fix 45FPS. Yes you have "only" 45FPS than but the game is running extreme soothe.
What components do you mean with high end PC?
Well most important part would be the CPU and GPU obviously, but RAM is also very important.
VR isn't the future, it is the only way forward 😁
Obviously yes
What hardware are you running, and what settings are you using. I have a Rift S and yours looks WAY better than mine...
Hi, I am getting asked that question a lot, and thank you for watching the video and commenting, I appreciate it. So I am going to do another VR video for DCS this time explaining how to record video, but I will also include in what setting I use and why. Cheers, all the best.
@@marshal1808 Oh, so this is NOT what you are seeing IN VR. That makes sense
For anyone watching this, you will feel extremely nauseous the first flights. For me, it was so bad I scrapped VR altogether. It was absolutely horrible
Can you suggest a vr unit and cu, desktop or laptop ?
Hi, I really can’t recommend any other VR headset as I only have had the one I am currently using. However waiting until the next generation of headsets come out wouldn’t be a bad idea.
VR alone is not good without a good HOTAS. You need to be able to assign as many functions as possible because you lose a lot of your ability to point and click since it’s so difficult to judge the position of the mouse or keyboard.
The virtual cockpit looks great, but it can be blurry, hard to see and difficult to adjust.
DCS is way too complicated for most VR tasks.
Simpler games may be less complicated.
So what do I need if I only want to use it as a better trackir alternative? The headset.. Some kind of sensor which follows the headset movement?
Do pc specs matter here? I play dcs with gtx960m, do I need to upgrade if I want vr?
Hi, I can only talk about the Oculus Rift S and that particular headset doesn't require any kind of wall mounted sensors to track the Head or Hand movements. The headset comes with sensors built into it that allow 6 point tracking and ofcourse it also come with the two hand controllers too. As for graphics and PC requirements it better to look at the headset website, but I am currently running a RTX 2070 Super and it feels like its not enough and it also depends on game optimization too. Some maps on DCS World are very nicely optimized for VR and some are not. Overall though its important to keep in mind that VR is still in a research and development phase it can be very tricky to setup and use daily, its buggy and it feels like its not prime time ready honestly. I have personally have been very impressed by DCS VR and won't ever want to play with TRACK IR again, but VR daily use is defiantly isn't as easy and comfortable. Hope that helped. All the best.
@@marshal1808 that is a very helpful response, thank You! Although there are a few points here that I don't follow.
Why there are such big requirements for pc specs like a powerful graphics card? Isn't VR goggles just another screen that is simply mounted in front of one's eyes?
And why would MAPS have anything to do with it? I mean, a sample trackir experience is far better with well made 6dof 3d cockpits, but maps?
Okay, so the Rift s has two 2K screens, one for each eye. Then the same footage is again displayed on your monitor as well so that like have a triple monitor setup. The most resource heavy part of DCS are the maps, the environment textures, clouds and of course the distance at which high quality textures start to render in.
Is it also shakey like that in the googles?
Hi, the shaking comes from the person wearing the headset, so if the user can hold their head perfectly still then there is no shaking. However I sometimes notice some shaking even though I am sitting perfectly still, but that is to do with the calibration and alignment issues. All the best.
@@marshal1808 thanks.
yes
Please share on how to record dcs using a vr headset
Hi here is the link to my video showing exactly how I record DCS in VR th-cam.com/video/K55dfcscU1c/w-d-xo.html
@@marshal1808 Thanks for the reply!
Gahh, thank you, now I have to buy a new PC and VR headset for christmas -_-
Honestly DCS is amazing with VR but, VR as a whole is a technology that is still in its early years and it feels like that too, its not very user friendly at the moment. You can always look to upgrade some parts on your PC rather than buying a completely new one. All the best.
@@marshal1808 Thx for advice. I play on a laptop (i7, GTX1070, 16GB Ram). That's ok but if I start VR, then all in ^^
I guess I will wait for the new HP Reverb G2. Apart from the FOV, this should be another step in the right direction.
@@84thewho the VR technology will keep on getting better and better, so it’s not a bad idea to wait for a better quality product. All the best.
@@marshal1808 true but if you don't adopt it now it won't help vr get better
Can you use the joycons with this game?
What is a joycon?
What did you use to record VR? I couldn't find anything
Hi come back to the channel tomorrow around this time and there will be a very detailed video explaining how to record game play in VR. I hope that helps. All the best.
@@marshal1808 Thanks, I'll try not to forget!
Exactly 1 hour from now, that’s when I usually upload.
@@marshal1808 Thanks, subbed!
DCS is the best in VR! My opinion.... I would not play DCS any other way. Once you play DCS in VR you will never go back (There is no comparison, its like driving a car on a Playstation and then driving a car for real.). With an HP Reverb G2, it is great! Can not wait for Vulkan in DCS (High hopes.).
I tried VR in DCS with the Pimax 5K Super and I somehow got terrible latency issues, up to like 40 ms while other full VR games are perfectly fine at around 10 ms.. i even tried to reduce my graphics settings and it had diminishing results..
For me the VR experience in DCS is terrible - I can't read the small text without zooming and if i turn my head the whole screen tears trying to keep up.. it's literally unplayable for me and I just bought the RTX 3060 Ti which performs better than my old GTX 1070.
Without VR I easily get around 70-80 fps on the highest settings with around 80k visual range. then I can use OpenTracker with AITrack for headtracking but I'd like VR to work..
I don't know if you have any solutions.
I've tried anything.. Lower graphics settings, messing with NVIDIA GE application, reinstalling drivers, updating OS, reinstalling the game using lower pixel density, reducing the VR resolution in Steam VR to 25%... Nothing really removes the tearing effect..
I don't know what to say, have you tried a lower resolution headset? The Oculus is only 1440p resolution and even that is struggling with DCS.
@@marshal1808 The only reason I bought the Pimax is because my Oculus Rift S died on me..
Also I generally had problems with the oculus software on my pc so I decided to ditch it all together. Then I got DCS after seeing it as a recommended vid in a pimax headset review..
So no, have only tried this headset with DCS, but tried other VR games and it works just fine so I put the blame on DCS for not being optimized enough for VR, sorry :)
@@therealsourc3 yes I think DCS isn’t optimised for VR fully yet.
I can get 110fps on my 100hz Ultrawide in DCS on everything low. Which is great for my monitor, and awful for my eyes.
With the graphics right up to high I can get 43 average to 50 max.
This is going to be painful when I attempt VR isn't it?
I'm not emotionally ready for this level of frustration.
Keep in mind that I am also recording in 1440p. So if don’t record it’s a lot better.
Isnt that sad a negative is to do a normal function. "turn your head" that's like saying play Virtual football you have to swing your arm to throw a football rather than press the button.
So true, but what I meant was that if you verse other pilots using head tracking, the VR user would be at a significant disadvantage. Also it does get very exhausting in intense dogfights.
So when can we see your hardware specs?
I am going to make VR/DCS video soon, but just for you this is my computer specs; core i7 @ 3.7 GHz, 32 GB DDR4 ram, NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super graphics card. Overall an old computer that I put together myself 6 years ago, but the graphics card is new. Hope that answers your questions. I will make another DCS VR video explaining more stuff including optimising stuff. All the best.
@@marshal1808 thanks, it helps a lot 😊
yp there is zoom for vr works great
Okay, thanks
I tested Oculus Quest 2 this weekend in an Expo in my town. My expectations were really high. It didn't look clear or amazing to me, I was disappointed.
What I saw was something more like this other video: th-cam.com/video/ny_OPsxHQmU/w-d-xo.html Is it really look like this ?
"F-14 should be easy to kill" lol only if the pilot has no idea of what he is doing, if he knows his plane he will put you on the defensive every time, that thing can out rate and outpower anything lol
About the VR, yep its a game changer, i have an old rift, and no 4k or 8k monitor will make me go back to track IR lol
My wallet is crying :D
Do you play this game better in vr?
100 % better, specially for thing that require you to have a sense of depth perception
Lets not label TrackIr as cheating . Its a great tool for flight sims .
💙🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸💪
is it worth it...? Well, It was already a killer with a simple Oculus DK2
Just some help with your dogfighting, you're much too slow in the F-16: try to stick to 350-450 knots IAS, also you have your geometry mixed up, the scissors is an example of a 1 circle geometey while a standard turn rate fight is a 2 circle geometry
Hi, yes I knew I wasn't using the Viper incorrectly, but are you sure a standard turn fight is two circles? Anyways thank you for the feedback and thank you for watching.
@@marshal1808 I'm 100% sure, I know its not very intuitive but the best way to know the difference is to look at the aircraft across from you and if their nose is point the opposite direction of yours you are in 2 circle, if they are pointed the same direction you are in 1 circle. It's based on flight paths from the merge. Just Google "dogfight geometry" and go to images and you should fine it and it will make more sense
I will take your word for it. Thanks
Just saying, if u want a rly good experience in VR, you would need about 90 fps which would be around 120 fps on a monitor, to achieve that u don't only need a good GPU and CPU but pretty decent RAM like 16 - 32 gigs of CL16 3600 mhz RAM (ik that 3600 mhz is expensive but cmon, u probably have a 2080 or 3080 so u can probably afford it)
my computer is not powerful enough. :(
Not to worry, VR will be much better later on. Hopefully then you can have a good enough computer to enjoy an even better experience than now. Games are going to get better optimization for VR as well. All the best.
is it that shaky and jerky when you play? making me feel sick watching
That's something that is noticeable on screen replay but not really in the headset.