VR Sim: Cap & Ali Try DCS WORLD In VR For First Time!
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Poor Ali, her plans for home improvements just went up in smoke.
🤣👍
Who needs a new kitchen. We can walk around any kitchen we want in VR dear.
LOL!
Lol
/rubs hands together...
Once you experience sims in VR there is no going back
Welcome to the club, Cap.
100% on that
Absolutely true.
Have to disagree actually. Yes, in theory you are correct but I sold my Quest 2 after a while since I do not like to be shielded from the world around me, and sometimes I would need to press a button on my keyboard for whatever reason which sucks and also the graphics settings need to be lowered compared to when I am playing on screen. Just too many downsides for me in DCS at the moment. TrackIR plus an ultrawide is where it is at for me for sure. But yeah, nothing beats the first time you realize the scale of the airplane and cockpit in VR. Proper WOW-moment.
Same here, can't go back to flat screen.
The pure joy in caps voice is heartwarming.
That and the fear. I'm tempted to take my dad out for the day.
Well now we know how Cap will be kidnapped. A van will pull up and offer him to play some VR, and we'll never see him again.
And his ransom video will begin "Hello valued viewers..."
lol
Next thing he will hear, after waking up on a horse carriage: "hey you! finally awake! You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that imperial ambush, same as us."
Very next video...
Cap- “you’re still in 2d? How embarrassing for you”
LOL! Spot on! 😂👍🏼
lol
VR Masterrace, join us Cap!
Just do it!
If you only knew the _powaahh_ of the VR side...
A huge thank you to Alison for letting Cap out of the house, doing a great job of filming and being such a good sport!
There's a good VR trick if you are at home with it, sit on the floor and calibrate the level, then get in a plane in DCS and start flying and stand up in real life, you'll be out the plane wing walking, it's absolutely terrifying ^_^
Omg, I'm trying this!
No way! That's awesome 🤣
@@nunyabiz6952 Yeah, works good with a 360 controller rather than a full hotas setup, just get in game sitting on floor, then stand up and prepare a sick bucket :D
I can't believe I never thought to try this!
@@AbsoluteSkycaptain It's good fun, go for it :D
One thing that helped me out in VR is that I have a cheap pilot kneeboard that I attached a wireless roller ball mouse to with two sided gorilla tape. The kneeboard has a clear plastic strip that goes across and the mouse is attached to that. Then I can Velcro/unvelcro to turn the mouse on or off at the bottom. Helps manipulate things in the cockpit beyond what I mapped in HOTAS.
my first experience on VR, was DCS with the Huey module, after that I knew I had to buy on headset
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I was a glider-pilot once, and indeed left turns are harder, because I didn't have as much room to move the stick left, because of my leg resting against the spoiler-handle. Left turns were safer though, because you had more controll if you needed to roll out of the turn.
Hats off to Matt, this is the way vr arcades should be!
The depth effect is from stereoscopic vision. In normal vision, your brain processes the slight differences between what your left eye sees and what your right eye sees, and gives you depth perception. VR mimics this, by showing you slightly different images in the field of view for each eye, and the brain picks up on that and gives you visual depth. The VR tech is doing something simple, the magic is happening in your brain.
Brains are pretty amazing.
When I first got my vr head set, I instinctively kept reaching out to touch buttons and flip switches, so immersive, great for flying heliboppers. voice attack comes in very hand when flying in vr :), I have a mouse on my right which I use for in cockpit interactions, but there are hapto gloves available (to expensive for me though)
I've been waiting for this video for so long Caps first VR experience and it was worth the wait, I love watching peoples first experience with VR it's one of those things that you can describe for hours but until you actually try it you just cant understand how good it is. Caps reactions were brilliant would have loved to have seen his reaction to having a wing man fly right next to him and how the rig reacts to a carrier landing!
The headset isnt the best out there at the moment though the Pimax 8KX beats it but it's to expensive for most but the 4K per eye res and huge field of view takes Flight and race sims in VR to another level. As for the cockpit controls the track ball is a great way of getting round that and there are plenty of different ways to be able to use all your controls while in VR, the biggest one is getting used to having most of your stuff mapped to your HOTAS it takes a week or 2 but you learn where everything is after that by heart. Cant wait to get my DOF reality P6 rig in a month or 2.
Didnt realise Cap lived so close to me Scary thought that one
I spent HOURS staring back at my wings pulling high g turns and watching the low pressure cloud
Been playing in vr for years now , the immersion is awesome in dcs and fs2020 .re keyboard you do get used to where certain buttons are so you can get used to this in vr too. Great vid keep it up and thanks to Ali and the sim guys.
Didnt realise the Cap hadn’t tried VR. Its been integral to me for the last couple of years and is the closet thing to real flying in my opinion as you fan judge depth and perspective inside and outside the cockpit. When coupled with a full motion system- you are in suspension of belief territory.
The trick to looking around you in VR is grabbing something solid with your left hand and pushing/pulling your torso around
I smiled all the way through watching this. VR never fails to turn adults into excited children again.
yeah for the first 5 hours. I sold my old vr setup because of the bad res and high system requirements.
Agree
The moment you feel your neck aching after a dogfight training for the first time...
No way to enjoy DCS in 2D ever again!
Now put that setup into a massive 3 ring spiny carnival ride of the 90s
Cap, the depth is from having a display for each eye. They provide a slightly different view/perspective called parallax - just like your eyes do; therefore, creating a 3D view.
thx
Cap reaching out to touch everything is :) LOL
too busy looking around to fly....
My first time in VR was with Asseto Corsa, And I was trying to adjust things like the air vents.
Hardest part for me was assigning everything I needed to my hotas, modifier with all buttons. Also keep my mouse in reach on a stand next to my chair. Hotas mounted to my computer chair... soo worth the vr experience
See Cap, we've been telling you about the wonder of VR for years!! Now your flat monitor will feel dull forever....😳
Pimax is definitely a better VR experience than the other headsets. A coworker bought the 5K set and I was blown away. Being able to look with my eyes full left and right and barely see the edge of the screen was crazy. The sense of speed with that wide a field of view is perfect for racing and flight sims. When VR gets to 8K per eye and 220 fov then I'm diving in. But, until then, I'll use triple screen. For dog fights, VR is far better than multi screen setups, even in VR's current state.
Only way to fly Cap! Awesome way to experience it for the first time. I was flying the first mission last night for the Blue Nose Bastards campaign in VR. Absolutely spectacular. You need a headset brother. If you are not on a motion platform, using the mouse to interact with everything is easy.
I experienced full motion Sims in 2004, not VR! It was the Army’s M1A1 Simulator it seemed like Super Mario graphics! I have never been so motion sick before in my life!!!
Personally for clicking stuff in VR i have left and rightclick as well as the mousewheel mapped to my throttle in the DCS UI Control Settings, then i can just use the crosshair to click stuff
Binocular vision Cap, it's what make ranging and sizing possible and what makes VR so capable. You are having two images projected into your eyes, your brain merges them and just like in real life, you can now tell how far away things are and how big. IMO this is the MAIN difference that truly changes flying in VR, not the so called "immersion"....
Trying the canyon run skill contest with this rig would be hectic
Can't believe this was your 1st time in VR you live in a cave Cap lol
Not everyone can afford a good vr kit
I think it's safe to say money isn't his problem anymore pawno, but streaming on VR is.
I know people who live under a rock in a cave behind a moon far, far away that are extremely hard to convince to trying it out for the first time...
@@mrpawno4955 I'd say a high enough resolution smartphone can yield a relatively decent VR experience already... But at least in my case I'm still better at dogfighting on my monitor + LED-tracking combo. Still, stereoscopic vision greatly enhances the perception of distance, which is expectable.
It's funny when Cap do his Bond's villiain histerical laugh.
Well this was completely wholesome "isn't that right....? Wife." Almost had as much fun as you did cap
lol
Watching people experience VR for the first time never gets old, it really is a revolutionary technology.
"I wonder if a real pilot has to do that?" (splay legs to move stick)
yes. it can be interesting in some planes.
This has to be my most favorite Grim Reapers video yet!
We found Cap´s new callsign: "SLAG" - Screams like a girl! ;-)
😄 haha
Ik this is a while ago so you probably know, but the way you see in 3d is exactly the same as real life, if you close one eye then you see in 2d, it's all about having 2 perspectives slightly apart from each other, and that's how vr does it aswell
So glad you have finally had a look at VR. I have been doing DCS for years this way and I simply cannot do it any other way now. Welcome to the revolution.
Love hearing Cap laugh 😅
That makes it all worth it.
Tried VR Back with the DK2 and haven't left and I could use TRACKIR and it has its PROS but the immersion will always beat ease of use.....THIS IS WHY WE ALL LOVE DCS no?
I tried VR. I made it a whopping 30 seconds before I got so sick I couldn't keep trying it. ☹ that was 5 years ago. The resolution was not very high.
@@Bendigo1 hahaha yeah Even now when I get new people started on their first headset they complain they get sick and that's with the modern headsets that look really good. I'm not going to lie I was just so geeked out about the prospect of the DK1 and the DK2 that when I had my DK1 which was at 1024x768 It's not a screen door effect but quite literally almost a fishing net effect I just powered through it and was sick a lot until my eyes got used to it 🤣🤣🤣 Also though I understand some people's IPD is so drastic that VR is not even an option and that's a shame.. I think everyone though gets sick from VR initially and it says that in the health and safety instruction card that you have to break yourself into it for 30 minutes at a time and then take breaks.
@@mofopanda Unfortunately i am one of those people that get really bad motion sickness. I cant even watch someone play a game in first person. I can play a few fp games for a little while if the graphics and fps are good enough but still get sick. Minecraft makes me sick in about 1 second flat.
@@Bendigo1 oooof my deepest condolences bruv :(
@@mofopanda Thanks, it really sucks. It really limits what i can play .
Glad you had a good time!! Now you need to get yourself a hmd!! ;)
hahahaha - using butt to cling to the seat ... gold
Cap glad you finally tried Vr. With my setup, I still use everything like I would with Track IR. Actually I swap between Both. I still use my mouse & keyboard In VR like I Do In Track Ir. Muscled memory comes into play. Takes a couple days to get use to, But so amazing. Bet You've already been Browsing VR head sets online Right Mate?
Flatscreen dcs is fun, but dcs in vr literally makes me shed a tear everytime i load in and take of, first time i played i literally cried for the first 20min
depth comes from the stereoscopic monitors, one for each eye...as with out real eyes looking at real world :)
pretty sweet vr showcase cap! ...hoptic gloves (sensors) that you can see in vr, would be awesome! and really touch the switches in game!
one day..
...:)
when i first tired VR for flight sims i just couldn't look back to Track IR my first VR experience i got to fly the P40 that was in development at the time for DCS but that isn't coming now due VEAO running away with their hawk
Cap, for your answer into how does it have depth? Stereoscopy. Using slightly shifted images for each eye to simulate how you see things in the real world. Great stuff. :)
thx
@@grimreapers Try looking THROUGH the picture here, and at some point once your eyes are focused on the "phantom" objects at the distance, you'll be perceiving depth from these two images: www.123rf.com/photo_97485171_stereo-pair-of-stone-arcs-in-abandoned-monastery-of-rioseco-burgos-province-spain-.html
Or you could install some VR app on your phone and try focusing on that too. That way you'll even be able to look around in there. Also, that's a way to try VR without breaking the bank. You can even stream DCS from PC to the phone.
VR is the only way. Perfect for a flight sim.
wow , , that was amazing , , , I had this mental image of Cap as Pears Morgan because of his voice , , lol lol , , I guess all you Brits talk alike : - )
lols
Hopefully ED will start to optimise VR!!!
He's finally done it! He's popped his vr cherry!!!
Andre's Jetpad FTW
the truly guest star of this video.
Maybe if they would add some restraint belts to that seat you wouldn't be afraid of "falling out" cuz your brain would have the "hey i'm fixed to this seat well, nothing to worry about" bit of information.
I think that should be a proper requirement for a motion platform anyway...
@@getsideways7257 Absolutely. And to make it even better, should use something like the G-Belt by SimXperience to use active belt tension feedback for more immersion.
VR adds depth by showing a slightly different perspective to each eye, just like you get in real life.
Yeah I cannot believe how ignorant CAP is of VR but I guess it is something you have to experience.
@@jibcot8541 not really. I knew how my eyes worked when I was like 6 years old doing those "magic eye" books. I'm sure Cap has knowledge you don't and he could be just as surprised over your ignorance in those topics.
I was just as amazed at the depth the first time too, my VR googles weren’t as good as those and still it was amazing. I tried AssetoCorsa first, and for the first 5min I just kept moving my head around the cockpit looking at the gauges and stuff.
and its one thing "knowing" something and a whole other thing experiencing it for the first time. i played at a friends house that have a vr headset and i was blown away.
Vr is one thing, vr + motion = mind blown
after all these years I cannot believe that you have not tried VR until this video. crazy. I beat you haha
What took so long, Cap? About time u finally got on the VR train... It almost left the station without u! 😂
Now go fly the Tomcat in a dogfight. Rolling scissors will leave you breathless.
I can still not believe you haven't tried VR till this day. Absolutely unbelievable. There is no DSC without VR, period. I bet you'll be sucked in like we all did.
Cap"s hooked
Awesome to see you having so much fun.
How fun is that!?! Very cool
Went Rift S 18 months ago and could never go back to 2D now. Even with the lower resolution in VR, the immersion is 100x better.
Depth perception is coming from what is called "stereoscopic" view. The way animals (including humans) perceive depth is because our two eyes do NOT receive the same image (same hapens with stereo music). One same "reality" is received by your brain from two different points of view (angles), ie, each eye, at a distance one from the other. You can do a test, put one finger 20cm in front of your nose. One eye will see one side of the finger, and the other eye will see the other side of the same finger (two different images for one same reality). Then your brain composes the overal picture. We can say "the more different the images are, the closer the object is to you". Samely, the more similar both images are, the further away the object is.
Also, it is true that the closer the object (your finger in the previous example) is from your "nose", your pupils get closer together, giving that extra info to your brain. If you "project" a line that comes out from both of your eyes (like superman x-rays), the more parallel these rays are, the further away the object is. More info to your brain!
Just for the sake of curiosity, As a general rule (not always true) in order to know if an animal is a hunter or a pray, you just have to check their eyes position. Generaly speaking, if both eyes face forward (like humans, dogs, lions...), they have good depth perception, i.e. good hunters. If the eyes face sideways, then they tend to be prays (to see from where the risk is coming).
Now, DCS is calculating one scene , working out all phisics and so on, but the graphics card is rendering that scene from two different perspectives. These two images are rendered with parallel cameras that are about 65mm away one from each other. This is what is called "inter-pupilar distance" or IPD and can be adjusted in DCS, or Steam VR. Then, these two images are proyected separately in the VR headset screens. Your brain does the rest in the same way it does in real life. And also, this is one of the reasons for which VR FPS are usually lower. The graphics card is rendering two full resolution images at once, i.e. twice the amount of pixels (in case of Reverb, 4K x 2).
Same principle applies with 3d cinema, but in this case, both "different" images are superimposed (kind of). The "sunglasses" you wear are polarized glases with their axis shifted 90º. That "separates one image to the other", one for each eye. (This is not as precise as VR headsetds).
Something that drived me nuts at the beggining was the fact what when wearing my VR headset, since my brain thinks things are far away, I have to wear my prescription myopia glases! Incredible how technology can trick our brain!!!! (BTW, there are some nice prescription lenses adapters for VR headsets so i dont need to wear glasses any more. They are "built in the headset" now).
(Sorry for the long text and please excuse me if I made any mistake, either anatomical or language. I made some simplifications, and also English is not my mother tongue).
Not going to lie. That is freaking awesome.
"we haven't been able to open our doors due to Covid". Interviewer: "that's great"... Lol
lol
Now you know Cap, how I felt the first time I had a VR headset on. Even though you can operate DCS better without VR (keyboard and mouse access), I could no longer play DCS without VR.
Cap, great video. Like has been said elsewhere, once I experienced flying in VR, I knew my 3x50" screen setup was headed for other uses. BTW, whilst I was in the USN flight program, they teach you to not struggle to keep your head vertical. Go with the attitude of the aircraft. This will greatly aid your ability to maintain spatial awareness. If the plane rolls, let your head roll with it. Plus, under actual G's, trying to keep your head vertical will wear out your neck muscles :)
Oh, and the 3D effect comes from binocular vision, and each lens/screen showing you a slightly different angle.
Pardon me for not remembering the source of the quote, but back in the day it was "the pilots who survive World War 3 will have tired eyes and sore necks"
And in czech republic we have an actual MIG-21 MF hooked up to dcs
I envy you for the literally jaw dropping experience 9:34
Well we know where Cap will be from now on.....
I recommend IL2 on VR. It’s 10 times easier to get kills.
cool
Becomes real fun with the Flying Circus packs... :)
Depth is the 3D effect of having two frames with different angle to each other. But because it attached to your face it gets more immersive then normal 3D.
Indeed, and it is awesome :D
And your brain does the rest...
It's not a "3D effect". Just a stereoscopic pair. But yeah, this one is much closer to the face, while the huge lenses make it possible to look at the images from this close up, so you are ending up with a wider field of view.
Despite people calling a monitor "flat" and the stereo "3D", it's flat in both cases. You are just looking at the same scene from a slightly different angle with each eye.
when Cap asked about how you click the MFD's and use all the switch's in the chock pit i have a Virpil Mongoost t50 mk3 and i use 2 of the hats that can be clicked in on the throttle so i have my ring finger for my left mouse button and my first finger for my right mouse button and then all i need to do is look at what i need to press and press my ring finger and bang job done
Lol, next time your cable goes down you'll be on that towpath with your pushbike and sitting in that seat within the hour :)
Oh no...what did you just do mate! I thought I had a ok pc, until I tried to fly dcs with oculus quest 2. Nevertheless, it's impossible to go back 2d now! Quick tip, ginger seems to help with motion sickness.
I got a very bad motion stickiness the first couple of days only then i never got sick ever even if i go for hours and hours, it's amazing as soon as your brain adapt 👌
I've heard chewing bubble gum would help as well and placing a fan blowing at you.
26:37 either a mouse or vr hand controllers. Once you're used it it, it's second nature
Great stuff Cap, now we need to make a gofundme to get you a Simpit for you! Once VR always VR😅
The problem you would have flying vr would be recording a video. You can see the image on the screen is distorted due to the msaa mask and that is what gets recorded. So to create your usual video you have to replay the track on a conventional non-vr DCS (as I did for the Cuban missile crisis held cockpit scenes). That takes much more time than recording as you fly.
Now I want to know how that seat feels when the F-14 starts shaking.
I am shaking right now
I bet playing Elite: Dangerous on that set up would be tits!!
Your always very entertaining to watch LoL!!!!
Thx for sharing
just saw this video. i gotten a same HP Reverd G2 on DCS too. i had the same experience as u Cap =D. thought i was going to fall out of the plane. 😅
So a while back, Cap made a comment on a video/stream saying he didnt like VR and preferred the head tracker because you get a sore neck with VR. But here he hasn't tried it before?
I think part of has to do with him making videos aswell. DCS with a headtracker gives a way better viewing experience then anything in VR really...
@@koekiejam18 not with current gen headsets. lighter, higher res, its amazing
@@marcusborderlands6177 no i get that, i have a very decent VR system aswell, however watching someones video is ALOT nicer when there isnt any natural jittery head movement involved. Our heads move ALOT especially when playing a flightsim. And i personally find it alot more enjoyable to watch without that.
Just watching Cap enjoy DCS in VR filled my heart with joy. LOL I would totally buy this toy for him!
Tried DCS in VR for the first time last week.....WOW.
VR 1440p resolution but when you use that looks like 720p.
Thats why you spot the enemies so easily. Big dot...
That's the problem with VR. A lot of negative opinions.. whats the point... gimmick... how are you supposed to operate the keyboard etc etc....
... until they try it. With Voice attack and the mouse to hand theres no going back. Currenty Reverb g2 - considering the vive pro 2
I never thought using the mouse was a big problem, but probably only because Im just sitting at my desk as Ive always done. If you have a real cockpit-seat as your battle station then it looks different I guess. How is that Reverb g2 looking and what is the performance impact of VR? Im currently running a ryzen 3700x and an 3060ti aswell, getting over 100fps in DCS at FHD, so I doubt performance would be an issue, lol.
No one:
Cap: *tries to grab air*
Ali is an absolute treasure.
I've been playing DCS on my Reverb G2 and RTX 3090 for months, and It's the absolute best. The only drawback is he narrow field of view when in a dogfight, as it wrenches your neck
That's why I prefer the Pimax headset with their wide field of view.
brilliant Cap
BOUT TIIIIIME! What took you so long. VR has been awesome!!
I can't believe Cap hasn't used VR yet. I can't go back to the TrackIR. VR is just too good. Formation is just that much more fun. AAR is just that much more fun. Everything is just cooler. The only drawback is dogfighting which can be more difficult which is obviously connected to the lower resolution we get with an HMD on top of the fact that you have to, ya know, actually check your six. I know it's not for everyone, but for myself, I can't go back to the TrackIR.
Still glad you got to try it out Cap and you're right, the 1 to 1 ratio makes everything that much more real. Nothing better than opening the canopy on the carrier after a trap and sort of "sitting" on the cockpit rail and watching everyone else come in and land. Or actually standing at the LSO pit.
Welcome to the club !
Once you have tasted DCS in high resolution VR, it's hard to fly without it. It has some disadvantages (fps, keyboard input, break ya neck..), but it's soooo gud.
Anyone thinking of trying VR for the first time please don't do it like this :P Makes for a fun video but if you want the best experience ease yourself in slowly. Hurtling around like that is going to give a lot of people sim sickness. You need to get your VR legs before being bounced around like that. You don't want your brain associating being in VR with feeling sick.