1.3 TCE is a good and beloved little engine so far by many :) The concern in the long run would be the technological complexity in its construction. They've adopted the ideas from Formula 1 with their Bore Spray Coating on the cylinder walls for extremely low frictions While on older cars if you got severe problems with wear around oil rings and oil consumption, you could rebuild the engine and re-bore the cylinders walls to a little larger size and continue to drive it at least as much the original engine lasted. But on this nobody has the equipment to do such things, and affordably. Time will tell. Let's hope Mercedes knew why they considered the same engine on some of their cars, instead of developing one from scratch
I read that oil changes every 15.000 kms will pretty much keep it going. But they tested it up to 300.000 effortlessly. Im getting a Dacia Duster with this engine because this one seems the only modern one designed to last
Am captur ... cred ca asta e motorul pe care il am :)) pana acum merge superb ... consumul ma cam da pe spate dar deabia am 1000km cu ea inca sunt la rodaj
iniezione diretta sporca molto di piu' le valvole aspirazioni con ricircolo egr e vapori d'olio. meglio tecnologia tradizionale e non nuova. comunque bel motore. io personalmente ho una clio 3 1.2 tce rimappata 120cv 116000km e va che e un piacere.
Yep, and in Mercedes version it is also able to temporarily switch off one cilinder. But, I consider it stupid and only risk for future like start-stop etc.
Could anyone help me? I have a clio 2007 dci. I would like to switch a newer clio... what's difference beetwen tce and dci( performance and mpg)? Because i was checking the datas and dci seems more economic
I think both are great options, if you are interested in fuel economy and decent power. 1.5 DCI Diesel is 115 HP 1.3 TCE Gasoline is 116 HP - 140HP, but has awesome torque (220 NM) which makes it "feel like a diesel" 1.0 TCE Gasoline is 90 - 100 HP, but only 3 cilinders, so you have to rev it higher sometimes For 1.3 TCE I have gotten 5 L / 100 km at 70-80 km/h long trips (and NOT driving at too low RPM) With some frequent city driving it still is 6.5 - 7 L / 100 km Convert these to your equivalent MPG, they are what the car measures itself (may be a little optimistic vs real world) Unfortunately both have particulate filters to comply with Euro6 standards - so in the long run needs attention 1.5 Diesel may feel familiar to your Clio. Just test drive a few if you can before buying to see what you like :)
If buying new I'd still prefer to use a cheap 10w40 mineral oil for the first 1000 miles to bed the cylinder rings in, them swap for a synthetic no lighter than 0w30. A lot of makers say 0w20, I'll never use it unless I'm driving urban only(50kph max) in the siberian midWinter, is thinner than water and will just evaporate away in European summer or high speed/uphill driving.
@@UKairways Never try to "break in" a turbo engine with 10W oil. Unless the goal is to run another new turbocharger right away. Especially on this plasma-coated (steeled) aluminum engine block, DO NOT!
Should last very well with a synthetic. I find 0w40, 5w30 or 5w40 the best once the engine has worn in. Engines given thinner than 0w40 or 5w30 beyond their first couple of years will have worn cam lobes, crank bearings and leaky pistons in no time. But of course you want the engine to wear in a bit for the first 10k miles. Avoid the heavy cold-weights like 10w and 15w or you'll starve the turbo on cold starts.
Both are more reliable. 1.0 and 1.3 are basically new engines. Temperature management has been reworked. Exhaust downtakes are now cooled which means no more problems with a gas in an oil tank. The problem you refer was caused by just that. The weaken oil damaged cylinders stepwise so the engine consumed oil fast at its the very end. This is solved now.
The oil problem with old 1.2 TCE engines was fixed already in the year 2016, because i have this engine made on april 2016 and in 112000 km done with it, it doesn't conusme any oil, i cange oil on 15000 km, no matter that interval is on 30000 km, because i think its too long interval and oil gets too much wasted
@@Hp5550dj You are wrong. The problem was not fixed but minimized in last version of the engine 1.2 TCE H5F4. How exactly I dont know. But you simply cant fix the problem in the engine construction. It had to be reworked and rebuild - the result is 1.3 TCE. If you dont have the problem, good for you. But the problem still exists. The major oil consumption is the very end of the engine life. It means the cylynders are damaged and engine fails soon. Check the French initiative about 1.2 TCE problems. There are hundreds of cases 1.2TCE engine fails (casse-moteur-renault.weebly.com/cas_litiges_plaintes.html)
5.4L says on paper. Almost 5L without oil filter, and closer to 6L with it (not sure exactly). Manual says 5w30, 0w30 or 0w20 depending on different temperature ranges. But it recommends the new Renault RN17 (FE) oil certification, because emissions and gasoline particulate filter. For example Ravenol has a dedicated 5w30 RNV exactly for this. Whatever you use, dont risk it, change around 10000km (15 max) and should be good :)
So when tuner write new program for car MAP how much increas in horse power can we ecspect from 1,3 TCE engine with 130 hp in start ? 150 hp, 160 hp ? 😁 I know they charge you 2.000€ for the same engine with biger output. 😋
Would be awesome in future, Since they sell this 1.3 TCE from 115 up to 160 HP (yes, it's the starting one for Talisman Lol, probably Mercedes also) And same engine code H5Ht, so they are just software limited :(
So this is the one with all the modern tech. Why did you waste everyone's time and the environment with the 1.0? Direct injection, roller tappets, e-turbo wastegate, bore coating, integrated exhaust manifold all absent in that engine.
Well, it makes sense to offer the smaller 1.0 in different markets - while also being able to charge less for the price of the car (cough cough haha). Keep in mind that since the 1.0 is still MPI (no direct injection) you can switch it to LPG without issues. In some models, they even offer option from the factory with LPG instead of gasoline
@@sebastianonita4870 Well the LPG compatibility is a decent compromise. If you get the 1.0 you'd be best off running LPG. Then it will be as cheap or cheaper as 1.5dci.
@@UKairways You're right - it will be like a diesel or better in fuel savings over time, in some places lpg is 2x cheaper (even if lpg consumption is higher) One thing to watch, I recently found out: If you buy it new with LPG you may have to pay extra for periodic maintenance / inspections - because they are considered as 2 different systems o_O
@@diegutendingeaufwachen5636 I want to buy for familycar the dacia lodgy comfort tce 130 with 131ps the 2020 version. Thats why I ask, Im curious if its that a good engine or not.
So, after driving this "value car" for about half an hour, I'm really confused. The 1,33 TCe engine with 130 hp isn't comparable with my actual 5-cylinder Volvo 2,0 litre Diesel engine with 136 hp. I'm actually driving a V70. The Volvo engine has 330 Nm torque. The little Renault engine has 230 or 240 Nm. OK, the VOLVO is 200kgs heavier than the Dacia, but the Dacia accelerates like cracy without any turbo lag. (I know what I'm talking about, because I've had SAAB and Volvo turbocharged cars for long times). You can shift at 2000 rpm or rev it up to 5000 or more. Stunning engine in a - honestly - quite loud car. I'm not talking about engine noise. Probably the Continental Summer tyres increase noise, but i'm sure with a lbit homework (damping), you can create a reliable car.
Everyone who is changing oil according to the service plan is an idiot. I have 1,3 TCe in my new Dacia Dokker. The first oil change is right now after first 3k km run and then Ill keep changing it after every 10k km or once a year. That way I think I won't have to worry about lifespan for a long time.
1.3 TCE is a good and beloved little engine so far by many :)
The concern in the long run would be the technological complexity in its construction.
They've adopted the ideas from Formula 1 with their Bore Spray Coating on the cylinder walls for extremely low frictions
While on older cars if you got severe problems with wear around oil rings and oil consumption, you could rebuild the engine and re-bore the cylinders walls to a little larger size and continue to drive it at least as much the original engine lasted.
But on this nobody has the equipment to do such things, and affordably.
Time will tell.
Let's hope Mercedes knew why they considered the same engine on some of their cars, instead of developing one from scratch
I read that oil changes every 15.000 kms will pretty much keep it going. But they tested it up to 300.000 effortlessly. Im getting a Dacia Duster with this engine because this one seems the only modern one designed to last
How many times they mentioned less fuel consumtion? So it's basically can run for a lifetime on a single tank?
The best engine...!!!
Is this the motor that renault and marcedes benz did together?
Yes
Better then 3 cylinder motor,like.
Felicitări pentru aceasta prezentare. Succes
Am captur ... cred ca asta e motorul pe care il am :)) pana acum merge superb ... consumul ma cam da pe spate dar deabia am 1000km cu ea inca sunt la rodaj
Ce consum aveți,daca nu-i deranj?
@@otetdemere2248 8,6 oraș pe cb
Salut.Ce motor ai cel de 1.3 sau cel de 1.33 ? Și ce cod are?
iniezione diretta sporca molto di piu' le valvole aspirazioni con ricircolo egr e vapori d'olio. meglio tecnologia tradizionale e non nuova. comunque bel motore. io personalmente ho una clio 3 1.2 tce rimappata 120cv 116000km e va che e un piacere.
I only put ESSO Synergy 99+ in it! I hope that keeps it working well!
How much does it cost in US$ if it's sold in Indonesie for Clio type and is there any diesel engine w/turbo too?thanks
Por que el paso de aceite al refrigerante en este motor
This engine is also used in the Mercedes A class right?
Yep, and in Mercedes version it is also able to temporarily switch off one cilinder. But, I consider it stupid and only risk for future like start-stop etc.
We have one motor vehicle but don't work if you help me ,thanks for you
Could anyone help me? I have a clio 2007 dci. I would like to switch a newer clio... what's difference beetwen tce and dci( performance and mpg)? Because i was checking the datas and dci seems more economic
I think both are great options, if you are interested in fuel economy and decent power.
1.5 DCI Diesel is 115 HP
1.3 TCE Gasoline is 116 HP - 140HP, but has awesome torque (220 NM) which makes it "feel like a diesel"
1.0 TCE Gasoline is 90 - 100 HP, but only 3 cilinders, so you have to rev it higher sometimes
For 1.3 TCE I have gotten 5 L / 100 km at 70-80 km/h long trips (and NOT driving at too low RPM)
With some frequent city driving it still is 6.5 - 7 L / 100 km
Convert these to your equivalent MPG, they are what the car measures itself (may be a little optimistic vs real world)
Unfortunately both have particulate filters to comply with Euro6 standards - so in the long run needs attention
1.5 Diesel may feel familiar to your Clio.
Just test drive a few if you can before buying to see what you like :)
what did u get? i have the 1.3 130hp with automatic and it has low consumption
It's just perfect.
Esas tapas de válvulas en diagonal, seguro q con el tiempo fugaran aceite
Mine gets a bit ticky but I now think it is just the special tappetts and no real concern
Jaime bien vôtre vidéo Mercie
be careful This engine comes with a defective valve cover gasket (leaks after 5 years). Renault takes no responsibility
dou you know , what is the max power of 1.33 engine ? more than 163bg ?
Acaba 130 hp lik ile 155 lik 1.3 motor arasinda ne gibi farklılıklar var
I think all engines from 2012 and after has big oil consumption,burn oil,the best engine is renault tce 1.2cc 100hp,code engine d4ft
If buying new I'd still prefer to use a cheap 10w40 mineral oil for the first 1000 miles to bed the cylinder rings in, them swap for a synthetic no lighter than 0w30.
A lot of makers say 0w20, I'll never use it unless I'm driving urban only(50kph max) in the siberian midWinter, is thinner than water and will just evaporate away in European summer or high speed/uphill driving.
@@UKairways Never try to "break in" a turbo engine with 10W oil. Unless the goal is to run another new turbocharger right away. Especially on this plasma-coated (steeled) aluminum engine block, DO NOT!
@@zoltanvegvari8219 Agreed with these modern engines you should only use 0w or 5w.
5w30 is okey....@@zoltanvegvari8219
What is expected lifespan of this engine 350000km?
😂😂🤣
Should last very well with a synthetic. I find 0w40, 5w30 or 5w40 the best once the engine has worn in. Engines given thinner than 0w40 or 5w30 beyond their first couple of years will have worn cam lobes, crank bearings and leaky pistons in no time.
But of course you want the engine to wear in a bit for the first 10k miles.
Avoid the heavy cold-weights like 10w and 15w or you'll starve the turbo on cold starts.
300.000
But use correct oil
there is many problems with 1.2 tce oil disapear. how about this engine ? and 1.0 tce ?
Both are more reliable. 1.0 and 1.3 are basically new engines. Temperature management has been reworked. Exhaust downtakes are now cooled which means no more problems with a gas in an oil tank. The problem you refer was caused by just that. The weaken oil damaged cylinders stepwise so the engine consumed oil fast at its the very end. This is solved now.
The oil problem with old 1.2 TCE engines was fixed already in the year 2016, because i have this engine made on april 2016 and in 112000 km done with it, it doesn't conusme any oil, i cange oil on 15000 km, no matter that interval is on 30000 km, because i think its too long interval and oil gets too much wasted
@@Hp5550dj You are wrong. The problem was not fixed but minimized in last version of the engine 1.2 TCE H5F4. How exactly I dont know. But you simply cant fix the problem in the engine construction. It had to be reworked and rebuild - the result is 1.3 TCE. If you dont have the problem, good for you. But the problem still exists. The major oil consumption is the very end of the engine life. It means the cylynders are damaged and engine fails soon. Check the French initiative about 1.2 TCE problems. There are hundreds of cases 1.2TCE engine fails (casse-moteur-renault.weebly.com/cas_litiges_plaintes.html)
Which 1.2 tce?i think you mean with 125hp,because 1.2 tce with code engine d4ft its outstanding
@@Hp5550dj which 1.2 tce?with 100 or 125?
what are the oil capacity of 1.3 tce engine and oil grade? My car is Clio 5.
5.4L says on paper. Almost 5L without oil filter, and closer to 6L with it (not sure exactly).
Manual says 5w30, 0w30 or 0w20 depending on different temperature ranges.
But it recommends the new Renault RN17 (FE) oil certification, because emissions and gasoline particulate filter.
For example Ravenol has a dedicated 5w30 RNV exactly for this.
Whatever you use, dont risk it, change around 10000km (15 max) and should be good :)
@@sebastianonita4870 thank you so much friend.
@@Ali_ErcanBuldum sizi helal 😂tebrikler güzel araştırma
@@hasankarabulut1648 tşkler hocam.
So when tuner write new program for car MAP how much increas in horse power can we ecspect from 1,3 TCE engine with 130 hp in start ?
150 hp, 160 hp ? 😁 I know they charge you 2.000€ for the same engine with biger output. 😋
Would be awesome in future,
Since they sell this 1.3 TCE from 115 up to 160 HP (yes, it's the starting one for Talisman Lol, probably Mercedes also)
And same engine code H5Ht, so they are just software limited :(
So this is the one with all the modern tech. Why did you waste everyone's time and the environment with the 1.0?
Direct injection, roller tappets, e-turbo wastegate, bore coating, integrated exhaust manifold all absent in that engine.
Well, it makes sense to offer the smaller 1.0 in different markets - while also being able to charge less for the price of the car (cough cough haha).
Keep in mind that since the 1.0 is still MPI (no direct injection) you can switch it to LPG without issues.
In some models, they even offer option from the factory with LPG instead of gasoline
@@sebastianonita4870 Well the LPG compatibility is a decent compromise. If you get the 1.0 you'd be best off running LPG. Then it will be as cheap or cheaper as 1.5dci.
@@UKairways
You're right - it will be like a diesel or better in fuel savings over time, in some places lpg is 2x cheaper (even if lpg consumption is higher)
One thing to watch, I recently found out:
If you buy it new with LPG you may have to pay extra for periodic maintenance / inspections - because they are considered as 2 different systems o_O
To jest silnik mercedesa
Renault-Mercedes-Nisan
Its the same in dacia lodgy?
Not in the 2020 ones. They really did it. Downsizing at it's worst. 1000ccm 3 cylinder gasoline turbo.
@@diegutendingeaufwachen5636 I want to buy for familycar the dacia lodgy comfort tce 130 with 131ps the 2020 version. Thats why I ask, Im curious if its that a good engine or not.
@@alexsimon443 I'll test drive a Dacia Dokker with 1,3 TCe 4-cylinder and 130 hp this afternoon.
So, after driving this "value car" for about half an hour, I'm really confused. The 1,33 TCe engine with 130 hp isn't comparable with my actual 5-cylinder Volvo 2,0 litre Diesel engine with 136 hp. I'm actually driving a V70. The Volvo engine has 330 Nm torque.
The little Renault engine has 230 or 240 Nm.
OK, the VOLVO is 200kgs heavier than the Dacia, but the Dacia accelerates like cracy without any
turbo lag. (I know what I'm talking about, because I've had SAAB and Volvo turbocharged cars for long times). You can shift at 2000 rpm or rev it up to 5000 or more. Stunning engine in a - honestly - quite loud car. I'm not talking about engine noise. Probably the Continental Summer tyres increase noise, but i'm sure with a lbit homework (damping), you can create a reliable car.
@@diegutendingeaufwachen5636 thanks you. Youre answer it's really helpfull
How many km expected lifespan because 30000km ,2 years oil changes
They changed the interval back to 20000 km or 1 year
Not here in Croatia(eu) still 30000km/2y
Everyone who is changing oil according to the service plan is an idiot. I have 1,3 TCe in my new Dacia Dokker. The first oil change is right now after first 3k km run and then Ill keep changing it after every 10k km or once a year. That way I think I won't have to worry about lifespan for a long time.
@@GunBiker07 With ELF Evolution Full-Tech R or FE 5W30 northern or 5W40 engine oil in warmer countries, the oil change can be done at 15,000 km.
I will stick to older diesels with no dpf that are simple to service.....hyundai crdi 1.5 is one of those...has camchain too...
Are u sure about that? Dont you have problems with injectors?
Baraboo
Just a shame.
Tce engine 👎👎👎👎👎🤮
TSI better right?
@@Hp5550dj better?no!!!!the best engine is Mazda 1.6.16v😀🙂👍👍
It's your opinion 400,000 km has my car Renault
@@gregorpirnat7688 S L O W
the 0.9 tce is amazing
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