what are you yapping about i know that space marines are very strong but frank is on another level (for instance a space marine captan could kill him with relative ease ) but i think it would take 2 or 3 normi marines or like one with a devastator loadout frank is strong but he has his limits. I think that he would be on the level of a weak daemon prince without you know all of the chaos shit
@@LucasHelson if they just stand still and shoot at each other maybe. But just because that's Frankie's modus operandi doesn't mean the space marine will play along. In fact, any space marine equivalent from any other IP, such as master chief, that has to deal with aliens will probably beat Frank. For three very simple reasons. 1. Frank is stupid, we are told this with his low int stat. 2. Frank is a bully. He's been fighting things that cannot harm him the entire time, the strongest things he has to worry about are deathclaws, which despite being dangerous are still animals that aren't really a threat to him. 3. Which leads nicely to the final point. Frank has little to no experience fighting enemies of his calibre. This makes him arrogant and why he loses to the MC in the end. See, a 40k marine despite being really op in terms of stats are actually pretty run of the mill in the 30k and 40k universe. They fight enemies that will beat their asses in a straight up fight all the time. The eldar while weaker are faster than them, the necrons are slower but are just as strong and infinitely tougher with their resurrection, ork nobz are straight up better than Marines, the list goes on and on, and by the time a scout earns their power armour, they would have killed plenty of these enemies superior to themselves. Heck, a lot of them are born and lived in death worlds where they have to hunt creatures no less dangerous than deathclaws as prepubescent children just to survive. But in the end, these kind of cross IP analysis just boils down to who you like better most of the time. And is honestly cringe tism that makes 4chan posters look like balanced individual, hence why it's bad. I like to wade into this cesspool from time to time but honestly it's not something that I can stay in Long term lol.
@@jellydamgood Frank has 10 to all of his stats, including intelligence. Dont know where you got that it was low, thats the maximum. But I do tend to think that an astartes would wipe the floor with frank.
In the W40K Book "The First Heretic," Chainswords are told to not be able to penetrate armor well, but skilled users know to aim for the flexible joints, where the digging teeth can rip through easier. This was noted from a Space Marine Sergeant.
I should have worded that more like I did for the 50 cal true but games workshop holds cannon lose so games can be taken more seriously aand I said space marines could they are high iq enough to go for weak points
Also it's easier when the chainsword is wielded by a space marine because they have the strength to shove the chainsword deeper than a human would ever be able to
@badanalysis1 this is exactly right. It depends on who is writing it and who you wanna believe. Chain swords are often said to be made specifically to chew through armor but again its a question of which is MORE canon
Realistically speaking I can't imagine a more useless weapon to use against armour than a chainsword or any variation of a chainsaw, any sort of metal armour would stop that shit immediately.
@@AurelionSass _Frank, standing over the bones of the God-Emperor of Man and the wreckage of his corpse-throne_ *"Well, it's a little after 12. Who's up for some lunch?"*
A really REALLY important point: You keep showing Necrons, with their Space-Marine-One-Shotting standard weapons every time you mention plasma weapons, but Necrons don't use plasma weaponry at all, they use "Gauss" weapons. Granted, that's a misnaming on GW's part, but they are NOT plasma weapons. They don't function like the plasma weapons in the setting at all. Gauss weapons don't melt or goopify their targets, they disassemble it, which is why Necron weapons care so little about armour thickness, composition, etc.
It's kinda funny that he showed Gauss rifles, because Fallout 2's Gauss Rifle is the best small gun in the game. It also completely ignored armor, which is why sniper builds are a bit OP.
They are linear induction motors that pull the target toward the weapon at the molecular level which accounts for the "flaying effect". The Necrontyr bent physics and science over a table and made them their plaything after they discovered the C'tan. I love how people constantly misinterpret their race being only 64 million years old. Lemme explain. That's when the War in Heaven ended which lasted for a billion or two billion years. The Necrontyr are the second form of sentient life to exist in our primordial galaxy, eons after its creation. The other, first and original race were the Old Ones. Anyways I have a lot of trouble even seeing a space marine going up against Frank. I could see him killing a new recruit, not one that's a veteran Astartes.
@@Mirthful_Midori as far as i remember, gauss pistol is op, not the rifle. 6 eye shots per turn is way better than 4. The only other two weapons in the game good enough for me were pulse rifle for sniping purposes, and bozar for sheer power (although its ammo consuption was insane, almost making it unusable in the long run)
@@aleksandrneprimerov278 At least the Bozar had plenty of ammo. The Vindicator minigun was the one that ate too much rare ammo. I suppose I should've tried the Gauss Pistol, but I managed to do really well with the rifle. The range was really insane too.
I feel like a squad of scouts would honestly do better against frank than a regular marine, or like 3 scouts with some heavy weapons which they are known and shown to use. I loved this video keep it up hope these become regular
@@badanalysis i hate to say it but nope. for a person in the comments pointed this out. he is a named character. he winning til he runs into another named character that would sell more models than him. gw makes that very clear. that space marine squad is toast.
Forgot to mention that the power sword has a power field around the blade that can split objects at a molecular level so maybe the space marine has a chance with one
@@jakejohnson718 no not technically a spacemarine with a power sword is usually a warrior of great skill and has survived contless campaigns and fought some of the greatest enemies of the 40k universe and is usually given yo veterans such 1st company who are marines who have survived and worked thier way up the ranks but like you said they're rare among astartes because the materials to make one power sword could make over 100 chainswords snd there are very few people who know how to craft them and most power swords spacemarines use are passed down from warriors who were very skilled but died in battle or are relics from the horus heresy so the spacemarine doesn't have to be named
also frank was only defeated by the chosen one, several turrets, and an elite enclave kill squad who are packing the same armor he is AND the only one to make it out alive was the chosen one.
@@thegrimgripper8416 Unironically the Devs stated that the reason that the Chosen One was able to win is plot armor, and that realistically Frank would mulch everybody in the room and then survive the Rig exploding.
Bear in mind, the only reason The Chosen One defeated Frank Horrigan was because Plot Armor as said by the devs themselves. Frank can only lose to plot armor, change my mind.
@@youraverageshitposter9083 if theyre named, sure, if its an unnamed ultramarine he guns the poor bastard down as he charges from 300 foot away screaming with a chainsaw sword in an effort to get into glorious melee
You forget that Frank Horrigan isn’t just a super mutant, but practically a “smart”, elite training, behemoth in unmatched power armor. All his stats are max in the fight with the Chosen one.
@codyjackson1875 you are way overestimating a space marine. Horrigan is most analogous to an ork warboss in strength. You know the kind of ork thay cn throw a space marine around Ike a rag doll
@@casematecardinal Horrigan is more so like a normal ork, definitely not a warboss. On that note, fairly certain a single member of the catachan fighters would solo his ass.
@@casematecardinal That's it? Only 12 feet tall with some muscle and horrible armor? Yeah a Catatchan would rip him a new one immediately upon contact, no question.
If it's a named marine without a helmet then Horrigan will loose 99% of the time. Remember if you want to live to your millennia as a space marine, get a name and refuse to wear a helmet EVER!
This matchup, despite being between two super soldiers with ridiculous stats, is ultimately decided by what gun each of them brings. Sure, Frank has his standard gun by default, but what about the Marine? With a Flamer, bolt pistol and knife it’s such an unfair fight for the Marine, but the second you swap that Flamer for a Grav Gun Frank’s 12 foot ass is getting smooshed.
That's the case with every super soldier fight that's why the concept is stupid. Stuff like "can a spartan kill a space marine" or vice versa is stupid when you consider that both can be killed by regular human beings or grunts. Everything dies to a spartan laser or a meltagun.
The fact frank outweighs a space marine by an entire ton while only being a few feet taller should say a lot. Dudes basically an intelligent ork in space marine armor with a necron gun...and is also a combination of the three without his gear too
A Space Marine with a Vulkite or a Melta would probably have an excellent chance against Frank. Also, Lascannon, or Krak Rounds which are Adamantine Penetraters, a material that Frank's armor counld never have been designed to withstand. Also, every single Battle Brother has more on Field Battle Experience than Frank, at least Decades by the time they are 50 years old, and many Battle Brothers are 100 or more years old, and have fought stuff like Frank before,namely Chaos Space Marines, they would probably be amazed at how slow he was, and how brittle his armor was, mistaking him for a terminator kr dreadnought.
You need to consider that fusion power isn’t a concept explored in 40k. I remember reading somewhere that a misfire from a plasma gun in fallout has enough energy to destroy a block. “Plasma” is quite literally hotter than the surface of the sun. Space Marines have good armour, but it isn’t designed for that shit no matter what GW says. Not only that, but the dude’s strength is off the charts, not only is he bigger than a space marine, he’s capable of lifting twice as much at a minimum. Horrigan would wreck an average Space Marine in a 1v1. If the Courier can punch the head off a death claw in 1 hit (a feat which is pretty on par with space marines considering Death Claws can hurl cars weighing several tonnes one handed), Horrigan could literally unscrew an average marine’s head. I can see him struggling against a Terminator, or a Sergeant/ Captain that have power weaponry, but a singular Space Marine would get decimated 9/10 times. Anyone who says otherwise is picking and choosing the most ridiculous 40k lore to prop up that shitty universe.
I am torn between my love of fallout and warhammer.honestly I could see horrigan killing a big standard space marine but it’s not even close to an easy fight
Considering he is to a space marine what a space marine is to a normal man technically even more so. He'd absolutely one shot a space marine with his weapons and easily overpower one in cqb. It would definitely be an easy fight
Isn't Frank's armour like-semi grafted to him, as in he has mechanical joints and stuff? Feel like his bionics, which fallout has and I'm pretty sure Frank has should've been noted.
@@blacktemplar1139 I’m pretty sure Frank’s cybernetics aren’t really meant to enhance him, they were mainly meant to keep him functioning. He has a bionic eye but we don’t know anything about that and the mechanical joints that he has built into him that were mainly ment to help Frank move around because he was too heavy to move himself around.
Necron Gauss weapons aren't plasma. They are weird super magnets that attract tissue to the cannon of the gun at the molecular level, leaving people basically flayed, instead of weapons hyper heating matter and then shooting them at people. The guys that made that 40K short film never touched a Necron Codex.
@@blacktemplar1139 They don't destroy. Instead of that they disconnect them one by one, turning the subject into the finest dust imposible. (literally so fine that it scatters in milliseconds)
Yea pretty much every franchise has that 1 Space Marines type character or unit. Fallout has Frank Horrigan, Cyberpunk 2077 has Adam Smasher, Halo with the Spartan 2’s.
Yeaaaah... keep discussing fow what franchise is better is like... uhm, "bro, go touch some grass". Nobody cares about your "my franchise is better" is like . . . How say it? "Look this meme i did warhammer 40K fan, i put myself has the CHAD and you like the Virgin". And SAAAAAME with all franchise, especially Doom cuz that one guy is a Gary Stu... Epic, but Gary Stu anyways. I mean, i am just a Fan of Uktrakill and i am not saying "V1 roast Fallout universe and 40K too" . Go touch some grass, is healthy.
@anon4854 Frank's helmet flies off Then, by the laws of (plot coherence and author bias) the warp he revives and kills 5 Space Marines, with one hand because idk named character's be like that in 40k
Considering how relative morality is in Warhammer, unless you are Ork, of course they will see themselves as righteous. Also, the fucker can be killed by his own squad, you hacking his turrets and enough drugs to make you immune to pain, while you beat him with your fists. I dont think he is that cool if thats what takes him down.
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153agreed but think about it realistically. what you pull off was already unlikely combined with what he was known canonically to do the player winning is canonically impossible without plot armour lol.
@@badanalysis Wanna throw me a bone and link me in the description with a timestamp as a credit? If I had known peeps would be using this image a lot I woulda watermarked it lol
The main thing I think people should keep into mind is that Frank's weapons are bizarre kitbashed death weapons while a Space marine arsenal is mostly mass produced off the production line and is in no way meant for the type of engagements for example an opposing space marine would have. There is a reason most Chaos Marine vs Space Marine battles devolve into hand to hand combat because the rest of the arsenal is to slow or ineffective
@anirecapped. Horrigan isn't using the sci-fi equivalent of a flintlock. Arguably his weaponry is better than the standard issue lasgun. It's a pillar of 40k lore that high ranking Inquisitors or imperium figures use weapons that are 10k+ years older because they're better than the standard load out. Other than 40k having clearly superior melee weapons, the firearm weaponry hasn't really had consistency in the imperium. They still mass issue shotguns BTW, almost identical to ours.
As more of a Fallout fan than a Warhammer fan, this video is fun purely to see the comments going absolutely fucking nuts that you said Frank would win.
Yea sorry you had to see all that, Warhammer 40k fans are like the Dragon Ball fandom but for si-fi they tend to freak out if you say that something like a Spartan or Frank Horrigan can stand up to a Space Marine and win or that a faction like the Covenant could hold their own in the setting instead of immediately getting wiped out by the Imperium in the span of a year by the Imperial Guard alone.
Warhammer fans don't like it when you say something can beat another thing from Warhammer. Saw a comment where someone said that WH is the Texas of sci fi, everything is bigger but not necessarily better.
@@legaroojack1251 The funny thing is that Warhammer is pretty small and weak compared to almost every other galactic-level sci-fi universe out there, if for no other reason than 40K is a miniatures game and everything flows from that. It was pretty funny when Pancreasnowork released his '40K isn't that strong' video and a whole new generation of fans got introduced to the Xeelee-stomp.
I’ve got an idea if you’re interested in doing Fallout again, maybe putting Courier 6 and all of his cybernetics and implants from the New Vegas clinic up against a spartan 3 or 4 might also be a good match up because Courier 6 has tons of different anti power armour weapons that could definitely drop a spartan and his GRX implant could probably let him keep up with one for as long as it’s active but the spartan would have the advantage of his power armour not slowing him down and being much faster and stronger.
Problem is, even the best weapons in the game like anti material and gauss rifles would barely dent cermite armor. The only weapons I see working would be a high explosives like mini nukes or the shear dps of something like a plasma caster. Maybe the thermic lance and industrial hand ignoring dr/dt would be affective on the joints like a chain sword but you’d have to be an idiot to get within melee range of an Astartes
@@Maxsmackplasma weapons in halo are known to melt the armour that spartans have on without much problem, and none of the handheld plasma weapons can turn relatively weak opponents to ash or liquid like the ones in fallout can.
Horrigan would do okay in 40K. Not great, he's a bit slow and weak in melee by their standards, but he'd do fine. There's space marines that could kill him, and ones he could kill; which is actually a damn impressive statement by 40K terms. I still love the moment in the Rogue Trader game where you meet a chaos marine for the first time, and if you're not incredibly careful your entire team of elite soldiers/psykers can wipe almost immediately. I had to reduce the difficulty to beat that part in the beta.
I’d say he’s a bit slow for 40k but he’s not that slow in comparison, your average Marine can run at what? Around 60 mph Frank can move at around 24, 30 or maybe even 40 mph so he’s not that slow and in melee he would be a beast.
I'd definitely say that the matchup depends on the Marine and Chapter/Legion in question. A raw recruit would likely get pasted by Horrigan if they hadn't fought anything similar before, but a veteran would absolutely have faced things as scary as Frank before. Ork Meganobz, Necron Skorpekh Destroyers, Tau Battlesuits, Militarum Ogryn/Bullgryns and Eldar Wraithknights are all comparable to Frank but tend to exceed his abilities in one or more fields, but still get killed by regular Marines with experience. Not to mention the various unnatural abilities and upgrades displayed by different chapters, like Psychic powers, archeotech, and augmetic usage, any of which would tip the scales more drastically. Even in the 40k books, enemies with Plasma and Melta weapons (closest 40k weapons to Fallout Plasma) aren't unstoppable despite their tremendous damage potential, as marines typically have decades to centuries of battle experience and know how to exploit their weaknesses. Now, if the marine in question was a lightly-kitted scout or crowd-control melee fighter, I'd 100% admit that they're screwed since Frank's own weapons are solid all-rounders, but he lacks the power to instantly kill a standard Marine unless he got the drop on them
I think you're confusing wraith knight with wraith lord. A wraith knight would squish Frank like an ant because in comparison Frank is the size of an ant.
Imperium has 1 mill worlds yet the average space marine vet has fought the strongest unit from every single faction? X to fucking doubt. All my lore knowledge comes from Luetin, so correct me if im wrong. Don't these guys spend most their time fighting rebellious humans who are rarely a threat?
Frank is closer to being on par with a primarch than a space marine. And his weapon is superior to easily 95 percent of marines possible kit and that last 5 percent is a stretch for any space marine to have. I get you like wh but this isn't a contest. Horrigan might as well be a mini krork
@@casematecardinal HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Frank couldn't defeat a single marine in combat. A fully armoured space marine can run at nearly 60 mph or close to 100 kmh. A space marine's bones are made of fictional super metal, their armour too. And the standard issue boltgun would rip through frank's skin and armour like a 1000 degree knife through butter. As for your primarch statement. A thousand Frank's couldn't win against a single Primarch.
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э we're measuring by popularization, not invention. "Adam Smasher" as you're referring to him was basically a gag character equivalent in purpose to a tarrasque.
Frank Horrigan is essentially a stabilized Thunder Warrior with cybernetic enhancements and more advanced power armor. Thunder Warriors always wiped the floor with Space Marines whenever they fought each other, it wouldn't go any differently if Frank fought an Astartes.
Space Marine Can run 90KpH for straight 7 minutes. Space Marine can deflect and Dodge Hypersonic rounds. And They lift and carry tons of weight. And they can Rip through tanks as if they were made of paper.
@@Rorschach0474 You fanboys are laughable, it's so obvious you only watch lore videos and do not engage with the actual hobby at all lmao. Space Marines have been down scaled by a lot for a while now, getting buried in rubble is enough to kill a Space Marine or even a Primarch, though it would take a building sized rubble to kill a Primarch, but still enough.
@@Myrrdin You can laugh about that all you want every hour of the day But space marine . has speed run of 90kph and can rip open a tank as if it was a piece of paper and best of all multiple records of space marine dodging and deflecting Hypersonic round. there's no going around that. Not even Spartan and especially not frank Horrigan. had achieved those Feats. imagine defecting hypersonic rounds? And do you have The book and page that space marine died from a rubble be sure that it was just rubble by itself, cause I know what you're referring to. be sure that it was just rubble. And read this if you have time: Decapitation via a backhand: Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.- Storm Of Iron Page 17 Space marine Survive rubble: But the rest of his retort was swallowed in a thunderous explosion as the tank outside fired its battle cannon into the derelict building. The blast pulverised a ten-metre-wide section of the building's front entrance, showering the Astartes in a hail of jagged stone and metal." Pg.202 FA Ferrocrete (metal concrete hybrid) breaks before Space Marine bones: The Assault Marines bounded down the ramp, jump packs flaring. In pairs they threw themselves from the gunship's open prow. Boreas tracked their descent on the external pict-feeds, watching the ten Space Marines plunge to the ground, their jump packs slowing their descent. With impacts that would have shattered the bones of lesser warriors, Zaltys's squad landed in the compound, ferrocrete cracking beneath their booted feet.- Purging Of Kadillus Page 226
@@Myrrdin You can laugh about that all you want every hour of the day But space marine . has speed run of 90kph and can rip open a tank as if it was a piece of paper and best of all multiple records of space marine dodging and deflecting Hypersonic round. there's no going around that. Not even Spartan and especially not frank Horrigan. had achieved those Feats. imagine defecting hypersonic rounds? And do you have The book and page that space marine died from a rubble be sure that it was just rubble by itself, cause I know what you're referring to. be sure that it was just rubble. And read this if you have time: Decapitation via a backhand: Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.- Storm Of Iron Page 17 Space marine Survive rubble: But the rest of his retort was swallowed in a thunderous explosion as the tank outside fired its battle cannon into the derelict building. The blast pulverised a ten-metre-wide section of the building's front entrance, showering the Astartes in a hail of jagged stone and metal." Pg.202 FA Ferrocrete (metal concrete hybrid) breaks before Space Marine bones: The Assault Marines bounded down the ramp, jump packs flaring. In pairs they threw themselves from the gunship's open prow. Boreas tracked their descent on the external pict-feeds, watching the ten Space Marines plunge to the ground, their jump packs slowing their descent. With impacts that would have shattered the bones of lesser warriors, Zaltys's squad landed in the compound, ferrocrete cracking beneath their booted feet.- Purging Of Kadillus Page 226
@@Rorschach0474found the "congratulations, they defeated one *insert Imperium unit/ship*, now they have to deal with another zigabangadillion of them with voidshield and melta dildo Swords and with the Emperor revived alongside them" guy
Man Space Marines wish they could be Frank Horrigan because this guy is pretty much a walking apocalypse to anyone fighting him. What a fun first video to make
Yes… a high level RPG protagonist video game character who possibly has the best gear in the game (that’s also not adding in the fact that there are variables to consideration) and the best way to actually kill Frank is by damaging his armor. Almost every Space Marine can survive being cut directly in half, and Frank was and still had enough energy to get up, walk over, talk some shit, before his armor literally decapitated him. Is there any non-main character Space Marine that did that?
@@49mozzer Space Marines have lost to normal humans multiple times, Caiphas Cain, named sisters of battle, Eisenhorn (although a psyker, he doesn't have superhuman speed, he literally stated in the books that human Karkisins have better martial skills than himself) Commissar Guant also survived duels with them Also a recent mobile game ad showed a sister of battle contending a chaos marine in a 1v1 I won't use it to downplay Marines, they should and are superior to even the best of humanity, but I'm just saying your argument is hypocritical because the same has happened to space marines
Plasma and laser weapon technologies are seriously potent relative to Fallout's timeline of development relative to other sci-fi technology advancement. Frank's armor (And power armor to an extent), can withstand these forces incredibly well for long periods of time. Considering that plasma weapons can totally "goo-ify" organic matter, and laser weapons can immolate to ash, Fallout's armor technology is doubly impressive.
It's also important to note that the statistic for what T-51 can handle is widely accepted to be a massive underestimate, misunderstanding on the part of the devs, or flat out typo. With the lore around Fallout Power Armor being rather more fleshed out since the older games it's generally accepted that the specific figure mentioned in the old games is significantly outdated. Armor that barely resists 7.62 at range would not have had the tide turning capability that T-51 is known to have had in the Sino-American War before the bombs. The introduction of T-45 was enough to stop the Chinese advance in Alaska but it was a rushed and flawed enough stop-gap measure that the Chinese didn't immediately start to lose ground. T-51's introduction however saw an almost complete collapse of the Chinese lines which would've seen the Chinese completely repulsed from Alaska had the bombs not dropped. This simply isn't the sort of effect you'd see if that armor barely resisted the basic service rifle the Chinese had at the time of hostilities. Edit: And before I get any snarky comments about how the Anti-Material Rifle chambered in .50bmg is known to be capable of piercing Power Armor as if that somehow discredits Power Armor in any feasible way (because yes, people have actually unironically used that as some kind of "gotcha" before). Let me be clear that that is quite literally almost a difference of eight times the energy at the muzzle difference. 7.62x39 produces between 1,400-1,850 Foot Pounds of Energy (1,898-2,508 Joules) at the muzzle. Pretty impressive, however, that's cute compared to .50bmg. The .50bmg measures out to between 10,000-14,500 Foot Pounds (13,558-19,659 Joules) of energy at the muzzle.
Little correction, in Fallout 2, the Power Armor's weakness are indeed Pulse weapons and Matthew the guy who fights Horrigan has actually a fully upgraded Plasma Caster in game called Turbo Plasma Rifle. The best weapon to have in Fallout 1, and he shrugs off the 3 point blank shots like it was nothing.
I'm glad you mentioned the terminator at the end. Average Space Marine with a basic kit would stuggle with this guy. But the average Space Marine is nothing compared to his best peers
it's a testament to the imperium's stagnation that essentially an overmutated person with integrated armor and a plasma gun can stand up to space marines
40k people like to act like nothing outside of the 40k universe could ever compete with a space marine. As far as they are concerned marines are invincible.
12ft tall is over primarch size or even the emperor depending on what size he is psychically projecting I think. This would be more interesting with a known space marine or even a custodies. Maybe Tyberos the Red Wake , Asterion Moloch, Sevator or Kharne. Versus a Eversor assassin would be pretty cool imo also.
Well yes Frank is 12 ft tall size isn’t everything and it’s not a good way of judging someone’s strength and speed, keep in mind that Frank has shown himself to be roughly on par with a space marine (which is insanely impressive considering that’s he’s operating in a post apocalypse) but even normal space marines tend to get to get absolutely destroyed with very little effort by some of the people on your list, just look at the Custodies they tend to kill normal marines so fast to the point where the marines can barely even see them. Also side note not all of the Primarch’s are around 9 feet tall most of them are just as tall as Frank and some are even taller than him, if you lined up all of the Primarch’s next to each other from shortest to tallest then Frank would end up somewhere in the middle.
@@Son_Kar yeah, against the common space marine, Frank wins for sure, now if we are talking about Russ, Horus, Magnus or even Guilliman, yeah, i don't think so
@@johnsupergeil7098 exactly, pick up the most normal no-name random space marine and yeah, Frank can kill him, but if we talk about the REAL space marines, mostly not
@@khadacoveiro1363 "well, if you pick one of these guys with PLOT ARMOR, then he might lose." frank lost to one tribal with plot armor. devs even admitted that it was only plot armor that beat frank. it has to be unnamed or there is no contest, perhaps match him up to a custodes or a thunder warrior?
@anirecapped.An average space marine is said to be between 35 and 45 mph which is faster but not hilariously fast. Frank horrigan has a special 10 in every stat, so we can assume he is at peak human speed at least. Hussain bolt runs at 27 mph, so Frank could logically be as fast.
@anirecapped.There are some stating that they can move at 150mph, which tbf is absolutely hilariously fast. I assume this is more an outlier rather than the average.
@@josephbutler4950 I guess Ulysses is an even match for Frank then, eh? And firstborn space marines have been noted as moving around 53 mph (Not even their top speed) through "difficult terrain" and it is stated that primaris can move even faster than them easily. Frank could not hope to be anywhere as fast
Everyone is talking crap about Space Marine specialist weapons when we're talking about a standard SM. And everyone acts like Horrigan is human and the FEV just makes you ugly and insane. AND everyone talks as if common SM don't die by the dozen against cyberneticaly enhanced chaos junkies on the regular. Horrigan is the strongest organic(well, mostly)being the Fallout universe. He's a scientific marvel and abomination to rival Space Marines in killing capacity. Fortunately for the wasteland, he's a racist imbecile on a leash - with another racist imbecile on the other end. Power Armor in Fallout is scary close to WH40K in terms of protection, maybe even better considering how prolific plasma weaponry is. And while it lacks severely in terms of utility, Horrigan is grafted to his armor. It's a pretty even playing field between Horrigan and a standard Space Marine. Hell, even Gorris has a good chance at killing your average Space Marine
Sadly Death Battle would only put Frank up against a named space marine and not your run of the mill no named marine and besides if Frank ever got on to death battle he would probably end up fighting Adam Smasher from cyberpunk 2077 because that’s his most popular matchup.
@@Son_Kar Putting frank up against an unnamed space marine would be like putting courier 6 against an unnamed guardsman. It wouldn't be fair by a longshot.
@@Swordsoulreaver True but named Space Marines like Dante, Sigusmend and Tyberos the Redwake all make the standard Marines look like children in comparison and Frank is roughly on par with the standard ones.
Okay, so browsing through the comments--to save people time--it seems that you have A) Space Marine win, because power-fantasy and 'superior experience' or B) Frank wins because he evens out any tech advantage and he's so damn big. And even then you'll have the people who will reach as deep as they want in the 40k lore to pull something Marine-shaped to beat Frank, just because. Blah blah blah, it just keeps confirming something that I notice in these 'who would win fights'--40k is consistently the brute-force faction. It's, kinda shocking how that seems to be 40k's overall gimmick, brute force. Maybe it's from all the Khorne-poisoning...
40k is a setting where marines can go as low as 30 points, and armies are worth 1000 or more points. You need to wake up and understand that 40k just doesn't care about your plucky sense of rebellion. It is not designed to make rebelling seem fun or heroic, or make freedom fighters look capable, and cool. It isn't about people with names. It is a universe designed to fill you with dread, and represent different groups at their mythological and technological zenith and beyond. Then people get pissy when said fantasy setting doesn't play nice in power scaling competitions, as if that were its problem. 40k has been playing an _internal_ power scaling competition for almost 50 years now.
it really just depends about WHAT space marine are we talking about, there's only one Frank, but a space marine? we can go from a "normal" one to a fuckin primarch
@@kaeldavidson6898 Howdy! Well said. 40k is unfortunately a Postmodern fiction that WAS written by demented geniuses, 1987. A lot of demented geniuses lived in Britain around the 70s/80s, like Terry Pratchett and the Monty Python crew. If you view 40k as a body of literature, not as a game, and you'll see the Postmodern assumptions under all three. It's the waters it was born in. Edit: The Postmodernism of those decades, not the mutations we're dealing with today. Cheers!
I see people mad that he said Frank wins, but look, that is just 1average space marine of the Ultramarine variant. against an experienced Gray Knight or even just 2 Space marines, Franks chances go down dramatically. Don't even have to get started on a Custodes or any named character who would demolish Frank
1v1 is probably in horrigans favor with two space marines than space marines would win i imagine, also depends on the arsenal of the said space marine.
i think it'd be the opposite the marine in favor of a ranged engagement and horrigan in favor of CQB, because the marines targeting system in his helmet would be far better than anything horrigan got.
I liked the video I personally want to give to it slightly more to the space marine mostly because of healing factor and how space marines are literally able to produce more natural chemicals and and combat stims that they could use
I think the space metals would tank the plasma weapons relatively well, ceramite is a ceramic like material and Tau pulse rifles tend to require massed fire to take down a Space Marine.
It’s a bit more complicated than that, Fallout’s standard plasma rifles are comparable to 40k plasma in that they are as hot as a sun and that they are capable of turning an entire man into goop and the Plasma Caster is a heavy weapons version of that and it’s considerably better then you’ve got Franks version of the Plasma Caster which has been scaled up to his size to the point where it’s basically a burst fire cannon.
Tau plasma weapons literally rip through Space Marine armour like butter. In the recent Sea of Souls novel it takes not even half a dozen pulse carbine shots to kill a _Terminator._ One of them is a lucky headshot and he's gone, instantly. The others just drill through his chest armour with no effort.
This. This is a really accurate matchup if im honest. No 40k OP bias this does both the Fallout Universe and 40k justice to their lore! You have earned a sub from me!
It’s not accurate at all lol. Super mutant enhancements and power armor, hell even a behemoth wouldn’t stand a chance against an astartes. Unnamed space marines have outperformed things much bigger than Frank in feats of sheer strength. A weapon wouldn’t even be needed.
@@codyjackson1875You’re joking right? An east coast super mutant Behemoth in Washington DC is around 20 to 30 feet tall and are made of nothing but pure FEV muscle, even Ogren are fiscally stronger than Astarties, I mean sure if they just shot it in the face with a Bolter then yea it would be a piece of cake but a melee engagement? Yeah no the gap in strength is just too much. As for Frank you do realize that he’s not just some dumb mutant or ork right? He’s actually a highly trained and professional soldier that was hand crafted by the Enclave. He’s 12 feet tall, constantly being pumped full of strength boosting chems like psycho and buffout and is equipped with a burst fire plasma cannon in no way is this an easy fight for the Marine.
@@Son_Kar Despite being at their best, a behemoth and frank, even teaming up, would lose against a naked space marine in seconds in just CQC, solely because they aren't anywhere near the same level of training or ability. They get wiped in seconds or less.
@@mobiusone6994 If an unarmored Space Marine went up against Frank Horrigan that Marine would get his teeth kicked in by Frank he’s not just some dumb ork who’s only strategy in a fight is just to swing wildly until he hits the guy. Yea sure he isn’t as fast and his reaction time would be around that of a normal human but he’s definitely not slow, he’s still leagues above the best of humans in terms of speed due to his mutations and enhancements. Even underneath his armor Frank is very durable, if a standard super mutant like Marcus can tank 7.62 rounds without much issue then Frank would definitely tank a Space Marines punches, both don’t even feel all that much pain and they don’t even seem to care about massive trauma like broken bones, missing limbs or deep cuts.
Frank, even if you doubled his armor, gets his shit rocked by an unarmored space marine. He's leagues above humans yes, but leagues below the hyper-enhanced superhuman space-marines of 40k. He doesn't have the muscle, speed, smarts, expertise, or experience that any space marine does. All he'd have going for him is his smarts, since his armor is, frankly, subpar even for some tech-raider on the least civilized worlds of 40k.@@Son_Kar
Funny how in lore the space marines are so badass and indestructible and in the tabletop game they most often die after just a few lasgun shots. I also agree on the end result.
Hey I love 40k and know the lore well enough to say that frank would probably win. Honestly frank would be a space marine in 40k lol. He’s basically going toe to toe with any space marine. Frank is just as equipped as a marine and just as strong as an ogryn without the negative effects of both. He’s strong and intelligent, and way more durable. Space Marines come in vast quantities, not much in terms of the rest of the galaxy in 40k but still there is 1000 chapters roughly and 1000 marines in each one meaning 1000000 total. All with flaws, some not as good as others, and many chapters wiped out by being outnumbered or out gunned. Frank Horrigan is the 1 and only. He’ll take down at least 10 best of the best space marines before he gets put down.
I would Frank as the Space Marine may be fast but that Frank just needs a Stomp. Also for as strong as space marines are, they die alot to things they should be able to handle (Necrons make sense)
Frank is probably on par with an Ork warboss, however, a killteam of Astartes would be armed with bolters, plas pistols, chain or power swords, and have reflexes to match even the quickest of franks movements.
@@l0sts0ul89 Thats mostly marketing. They are the "best" mass produced soldiers in the IoM. If you want the best you need to look at the Custodes and even better than them, the Primarchs.
Frank Horrigan strengths: Secret service agent experimented on with FEV, turning him into a behemoth, while retaining his sanity and intelligence. Wearing modified X-01 Power armor exclusively designed for his massive body, grafted into his skin and flesh, giving him the defense of a bunker. Access to fusion weaponry (super-heated material hotter than the surface of the sun), fusion being a concept not explored or discovered in WH40k, and likely has nothing to counter its potential. Frank Horrigan weaknesses: Slow and awkward movement, restrictive armor, very limited options in combat due to his size, one of a kind, no replacements available.
Space Marine Can see hypersonic round in slow mo.and also capable of dodging and deflecting hypersonic rounds. Can 90KPH. Tear through tanks as if they were made by paper.
im seeing quite a bit of misunderstanding about frank horrigan 1 no frank horrigan is not stupid, frank horrigan is insanely smart, the enclave scientists that made him have an intelligence stat of 9 he has a 10 in intelligence, putting him cannonicly above some of the greatest minds in the fallout universe 2 frank horrigan is absolutely not slow with an endurance of 10 and an agility of 10, would put him at an absurdly high reaction speed and running speed, with the size of his legs his stride would be masive and require fewer steps, he would aproximately be making steps of about 5 to 6 ft, that's almost 2 meters per, step 3 his power armor is custom fitted and grafted, and made to size, that doesn't just mean, it's regular power armor plating, actually it's plates aren't even standart issue, frank horrigan was fitted with the absolute BEST, the enclave had, that means he got top of the line, way thicker armor, way more powerfull armor, then your regular suit of power armor would ever be, even the best model of standart issue power armor can't hold a candle to frank horrigans suit, and normal power armor in fallout with what it can withstand is ABSURDLY durable. and he can take shots, from top of the line plasma casters, rocket launchers, the biggest guns you can find, and gaus snipers, the strongest weapons in fallout 2, take many, many shots to take him down 4 a fallout plasma pistol, can in fallout lore, turn someone into goop, in one shot, these shots get stronger, the bigger, the more advanced the plasma weapon is. if a plasma pistol, can do that, a plasma riffle, should be doing MUCH more damage due to it's capacity to put in more power, then we move up to a standart issue, plasma caster, this would be the point where you aren't just melting holes through tanks instantly, but fully dissintigrating them, and that is a standart issue plasma caster. frank horrigan has a custom made, fitted to size, high end top of the line plasma caster, that means it is not only far above the normal standart issue plasma caster, but also bigger, more able to put in more energy into it's shots, and this man fires it, A LOT. 5 Frank horrigan isn't just, a super mutant in a suit, and not just underwent biological altering experiments, he recieved tech implants aswell that enhanced everything that was there immensely, and that was BEFORE, they put him in a power armor that enhanced him even more. he's not just a behemoth, he is a behemoth the enclave pushed and pushed with experiment uppon experiment, i bet he could punch a regular behemoth to death in a single blow. i hope i gave some usefull information ^^
1. Frank horrigan IS stupid the Vs Battle wiki describes him as being below average in intelligence before exposure to FEV which further damaged his intellect a majority of the time those Fallout numbers are meaningless to describe actual strengths. Meanwhile Astartes possessed enhanced intelligence and have implanted knowledge combined with decades to centuries of fighting experience and can react to and process information in nanoseconds. 2. Frank's speed and reaction time is quick being around peak human but that's laughably slow compared to an Astartes subsonic and hypersonic reaction speeds. In Tales of Heresy pg. 304 a sprinting Astartes is described as "covering half a dozen meters with every pace." Can jump 4 meters standing still, and crossing 10 meters and vaults a table in the time it takes a human heart to beat also faster than the eye can track. 3.The absolute best in power armor from a pre interstellar civilization isn't really saying much and when it's made out of early to late Cold War era tech whereas 40k power armor is using fictional sci fi materials of IMMENSE quality compared to wasteland tech. I can very easily see krak missiles krak grenades, plasma guns, melta, lascannons, graviton, heavy bolters and heavy flamers bringing him down or any unique bolter round ammunition like kraken you name it. 40k weapons can easily compare to some of the strongest weapons in Fallout. 4. As some 40k commentators have pointed out Fallout plasma does not compare to 40k plasma which casually atomizes large humanoid targets like Astartes or atomize a certain 12 ft tall mutant and power armor ceramite is resistant to energy weapons like las fire. Annihilating a tank with such a weapon is really just a given. 5. Nothing you said would compare to the enhancements that an Astartes would receive gifted to him by the Emperor of Mankind and with some of the best surviving scientists from the Dark Age of tech outside of armor the Marine is stronger, faster, more durable, intelligent, and can fight for days without rest. Inside the armor the Marine's strength is multiplied tenfold. There really should be no comparison with a random hideous mutation born from a mistake versus perfect gene engineering crafted by a literal demi god of the human race and ancient scientists carrying secrets and findings from the peak of technological growth from a civilization that largely controlled the whole galaxy. I'm just here to correct some misunderstandings about Space Marines that i'm seeing pretty often that's all.
@@kaeldavidson6898 Im really not if I knew an Astartes couldn't win here then I wouldn't have said anything the info I said is really not that special it should just be something people should know. People give way too much credit to Frank though thinking he's actually stronger just because he's bigger and taller but it's really the opposite. I honestly thought the fight was much closer before I researched more and came to my conclusion.
Is that so? Then Mama Murphy will fold Frank in half because she has 19 strength. Ulysses will will too since his stat is max and has higher health. Dont confuse gameplay with lore, in the game he's mentioned as being dumb and loyal.
in terms of armour and strength, you could say horrigan is like a thunder warrior. hes a giant scary murder brick, but astartes are faster and their armour is far better. only the upper part of thunder warriors armour is powered so it doesnt speed them up much where as experienced astartes can move faster than the human eye can see. astartes were also what killed the thunder warriors, but it was like, 100k against 10k and the custodes helped. thunder warriors could take out like 6 of the untested astartes each before being taken down. . basically, frank only has to hit the astartes once, but its catching them thats he problem.
@anirecapped. he's not slower. He's got 10 in every stat. It seems like he's slower because of clunky gameplay and balancing for the player. But his stats don't lie, and unlike warhammer, neither does fallout's lore, it has to be stated.
@anirecapped. I don't think I have to even fight this... I feel like you just threw yourself into a wall, my friend. I'm glad you enjoy warhammer so much. But don't make it your only passion, ok?
no, that is not true. horrigan's armor is rated to handle plasma, and especially las-gun fire FAR better than a space marine. contrarily though, it is worse rated for kinetic rounds.
Hey, just a heads up, but your voice is a bit too quiet for it to be easily audible some of the time, and some of the sounds you included drown younout completely like at 3:03. I'd recommend increasing the decibels in whatever editing program you use to a point your voice is clear to hear no matter what, because it makes it difficult to watch the video when I can't make out what you're sayinf 3 rewinds.
What a way to live up to the channel name
what are you yapping about i know that space marines are very strong but frank is on another level (for instance a space marine captan could kill him with relative ease ) but i think it would take 2 or 3 normi marines or like one with a devastator loadout frank is strong but he has his limits. I think that he would be on the level of a weak daemon prince without you know all of the chaos shit
him verse a dreadnought on the other hand is like an apc verses a body builder all that strength is only going to help you so much
The pin of glory
@@LucasHelson if they just stand still and shoot at each other maybe. But just because that's Frankie's modus operandi doesn't mean the space marine will play along. In fact, any space marine equivalent from any other IP, such as master chief, that has to deal with aliens will probably beat Frank. For three very simple reasons.
1. Frank is stupid, we are told this with his low int stat.
2. Frank is a bully. He's been fighting things that cannot harm him the entire time, the strongest things he has to worry about are deathclaws, which despite being dangerous are still animals that aren't really a threat to him.
3. Which leads nicely to the final point. Frank has little to no experience fighting enemies of his calibre. This makes him arrogant and why he loses to the MC in the end.
See, a 40k marine despite being really op in terms of stats are actually pretty run of the mill in the 30k and 40k universe. They fight enemies that will beat their asses in a straight up fight all the time. The eldar while weaker are faster than them, the necrons are slower but are just as strong and infinitely tougher with their resurrection, ork nobz are straight up better than Marines, the list goes on and on, and by the time a scout earns their power armour, they would have killed plenty of these enemies superior to themselves. Heck, a lot of them are born and lived in death worlds where they have to hunt creatures no less dangerous than deathclaws as prepubescent children just to survive.
But in the end, these kind of cross IP analysis just boils down to who you like better most of the time. And is honestly cringe tism that makes 4chan posters look like balanced individual, hence why it's bad. I like to wade into this cesspool from time to time but honestly it's not something that I can stay in Long term lol.
@@jellydamgood Frank has 10 to all of his stats, including intelligence. Dont know where you got that it was low, thats the maximum.
But I do tend to think that an astartes would wipe the floor with frank.
In the W40K Book "The First Heretic," Chainswords are told to not be able to penetrate armor well, but skilled users know to aim for the flexible joints, where the digging teeth can rip through easier. This was noted from a Space Marine Sergeant.
I should have worded that more like I did for the 50 cal true but games workshop holds cannon lose so games can be taken more seriously aand I said space marines could they are high iq enough to go for weak points
Also it's easier when the chainsword is wielded by a space marine because they have the strength to shove the chainsword deeper than a human would ever be able to
@badanalysis1 this is exactly right. It depends on who is writing it and who you wanna believe. Chain swords are often said to be made specifically to chew through armor but again its a question of which is MORE canon
Realistically speaking I can't imagine a more useless weapon to use against armour than a chainsword or any variation of a chainsaw, any sort of metal armour would stop that shit immediately.
@@llamasteve8376are you aware that there are metal chainsaws?
Most commonly used by forefighters if they need to rescue someone from smashed car.
"HERESY! WHO DARES DEFY OUR EMPEROR!?"
*"Me. Frank Horrigan. **_That's who."_*
Sounds like something Frank would say
I wonder if he could beat Adam smasher
"Your ride's over, corpse-emperor. Time to die."
@@AurelionSass _Frank, standing over the bones of the God-Emperor of Man and the wreckage of his corpse-throne_
*"Well, it's a little after 12. Who's up for some lunch?"*
@@AurelionSass He absolutely wouldn't change his famous speech. Space Marines are mutants, so "mutie" works perfectly.
A really REALLY important point: You keep showing Necrons, with their Space-Marine-One-Shotting standard weapons every time you mention plasma weapons, but Necrons don't use plasma weaponry at all, they use "Gauss" weapons. Granted, that's a misnaming on GW's part, but they are NOT plasma weapons. They don't function like the plasma weapons in the setting at all. Gauss weapons don't melt or goopify their targets, they disassemble it, which is why Necron weapons care so little about armour thickness, composition, etc.
Honestly just did it cause it was green and goops people but yes you are right 100%
It's kinda funny that he showed Gauss rifles, because Fallout 2's Gauss Rifle is the best small gun in the game. It also completely ignored armor, which is why sniper builds are a bit OP.
They are linear induction motors that pull the target toward the weapon at the molecular level which accounts for the "flaying effect". The Necrontyr bent physics and science over a table and made them their plaything after they discovered the C'tan. I love how people constantly misinterpret their race being only 64 million years old. Lemme explain. That's when the War in Heaven ended which lasted for a billion or two billion years. The Necrontyr are the second form of sentient life to exist in our primordial galaxy, eons after its creation. The other, first and original race were the Old Ones.
Anyways I have a lot of trouble even seeing a space marine going up against Frank. I could see him killing a new recruit, not one that's a veteran Astartes.
@@Mirthful_Midori as far as i remember, gauss pistol is op, not the rifle. 6 eye shots per turn is way better than 4. The only other two weapons in the game good enough for me were pulse rifle for sniping purposes, and bozar for sheer power (although its ammo consuption was insane, almost making it unusable in the long run)
@@aleksandrneprimerov278 At least the Bozar had plenty of ammo. The Vindicator minigun was the one that ate too much rare ammo.
I suppose I should've tried the Gauss Pistol, but I managed to do really well with the rifle. The range was really insane too.
I feel like a squad of scouts would honestly do better against frank than a regular marine, or like 3 scouts with some heavy weapons which they are known and shown to use. I loved this video keep it up hope these become regular
Yea totally agree more than 2 its over
@@badanalysis i hate to say it but nope. for a person in the comments pointed this out. he is a named character. he winning til he runs into another named character that would sell more models than him. gw makes that very clear. that space marine squad is toast.
I wish there was a Frank Horrigan mod for fallout 4
There used to be one, but I can't find it.
Yeah it was awesome! They showed clips of it in this video!
I use to have a companion one
There IS in a sense, but iirc its just an armor mod for Strong. So. Not quite.
@lordbrian9187 th-cam.com/video/NZALCWjZADw/w-d-xo.html fallout 2, th-cam.com/video/GAJG9l5_TE0/w-d-xo.html fallout 1
Forgot to mention that the power sword has a power field around the blade that can split objects at a molecular level so maybe the space marine has a chance with one
or he can maybe pull out a krak grenade even a meltagun
A reminder though, power swords are decently rare even for astaries. They would more likely be carrying a combat knife or chain sword
If the space marine has a power sword chances are that said spacemarine is a named one, which basically means they're guaranteed a win anyways
@@jakejohnson718 no not technically a spacemarine with a power sword is usually a warrior of great skill and has survived contless campaigns and fought some of the greatest enemies of the 40k universe and is usually given yo veterans such 1st company who are marines who have survived and worked thier way up the ranks but like you said they're rare among astartes because the materials to make one power sword could make over 100 chainswords snd there are very few people who know how to craft them and most power swords spacemarines use are passed down from warriors who were very skilled but died in battle or are relics from the horus heresy so the spacemarine doesn't have to be named
@@MicahSolosGoku no one is reading all that 🤓
also frank was only defeated by the chosen one, several turrets, and an elite enclave kill squad who are packing the same armor he is AND the only one to make it out alive was the chosen one.
Chosen one is controlled by us meaning he had plot armor, we are not controlling the space marine
@@thegrimgripper8416 Unironically the Devs stated that the reason that the Chosen One was able to win is plot armor, and that realistically Frank would mulch everybody in the room and then survive the Rig exploding.
Correction : Marcus the Super Mutant also made it out with him (canonised in fallout nv)
@@DarthAwesome117^ this
@@indeed1881 I don't understand?
Let's not forget The Chosen One is, well, THE CHOSEN ONE. He's basically the John-117 of Fallout.
Bear in mind, the only reason The Chosen One defeated Frank Horrigan was because Plot Armor as said by the devs themselves. Frank can only lose to plot armor, change my mind.
@@weasel003gaming7 So Frank gets hard-countered by any Ultramarine?
@@youraverageshitposter9083 If they're named, possibly.
@@youraverageshitposter9083 if theyre named, sure, if its an unnamed ultramarine he guns the poor bastard down as he charges from 300 foot away screaming with a chainsaw sword in an effort to get into glorious melee
well speaking of john 117, bro he would stomp the fuck out of horrigan
You forget that Frank Horrigan isn’t just a super mutant, but practically a “smart”, elite training, behemoth in unmatched power armor. All his stats are max in the fight with the Chosen one.
Still pales in comparison to Astartes enhancements and space marine power armor.
@codyjackson1875 you are way overestimating a space marine. Horrigan is most analogous to an ork warboss in strength. You know the kind of ork thay cn throw a space marine around Ike a rag doll
@@casematecardinal Horrigan is more so like a normal ork, definitely not a warboss. On that note, fairly certain a single member of the catachan fighters would solo his ass.
@@mobiusone6994 he's twelve feet tall and, made of super enhanced muscle coated in power armor. He'd rip a catachin in half with 4 fingers
@@casematecardinal That's it? Only 12 feet tall with some muscle and horrible armor? Yeah a Catatchan would rip him a new one immediately upon contact, no question.
Unnamed space marine gets obliterated, named space marines uh it depends it can go from being equally matched to horrigan loosing
Named space Marines suffer what is know as Ultramarine/Caldor Draigo syndrome
Agree
If it's a named marine without a helmet then Horrigan will loose 99% of the time. Remember if you want to live to your millennia as a space marine, get a name and refuse to wear a helmet EVER!
Normal Astartes can also win IF there is no time limit and they're not caged in a room with Horrigan.
@@Dalekssupreme What about Malum Caedo
This matchup, despite being between two super soldiers with ridiculous stats, is ultimately decided by what gun each of them brings. Sure, Frank has his standard gun by default, but what about the Marine? With a Flamer, bolt pistol and knife it’s such an unfair fight for the Marine, but the second you swap that Flamer for a Grav Gun Frank’s 12 foot ass is getting smooshed.
That's the case with every super soldier fight that's why the concept is stupid.
Stuff like "can a spartan kill a space marine" or vice versa is stupid when you consider that both can be killed by regular human beings or grunts.
Everything dies to a spartan laser or a meltagun.
@@PeachDragon_difference is there are so many different space marine units it all depends what one is there
Mini nuke launcher
Tht "standard" gun isn't standard
@@austinbutcher8106 It’s standard to Frank’s kit
When the "Goku vs Superman" kid grows up
Real
His name is bad annalysis for a reason
@@pessoaaleatoria2586Except this was accurate. Frank ragdolls space marines
@@Jake_the_lad Nah
@@HmmmNono Yah
The fact frank outweighs a space marine by an entire ton while only being a few feet taller should say a lot. Dudes basically an intelligent ork in space marine armor with a necron gun...and is also a combination of the three without his gear too
If he was only a few stories taller he would be a kork
Hes 12 ft tall hes as tall as a primarch
@@austinbutcher8106he’s over a foot taller than any of the primarchs
YOU'VE GOTTEN PRETTY FAR LITTLE HUMIE! BUT TEN YOU AIN'T FOUGHT FANG WAAAAGH-AGAIN BEFORE HAVE YOU!
@@kalebb1226YOUS GOT FAR, LIT'LE HUMIE! BUT ITS NOT LIKE YOU SEEN FANG WAAAGH-RIGGA BEFORE!!
The Emporer won't save you from a crackhead off 40 psycho with a pipe rifle (this post was made by chem gang)
The Savlar Chem-Dogs would like a word with you.
Yeah, I know, he won't need to
To be fair, Hive Citys run by Gangers (which are essentially Fallout Raiders in space) in 40k are pretty terrifying, even for a Space Marine.
And if it's a legendary one with the Bleed status, you're cooked.
I feel like the Emperor has fought guys like that during the Unification of Terra
A Space Marine with a Vulkite or a Melta would probably have an excellent chance against Frank. Also, Lascannon, or Krak Rounds which are Adamantine Penetraters, a material that Frank's armor counld never have been designed to withstand. Also, every single Battle Brother has more on Field Battle Experience than Frank, at least Decades by the time they are 50 years old, and many Battle Brothers are 100 or more years old, and have fought stuff like Frank before,namely Chaos Space Marines, they would probably be amazed at how slow he was, and how brittle his armor was, mistaking him for a terminator kr dreadnought.
I mean there are chaos marines that have been around since the great crusade, more than 10 thousand years old plus time in the warp
You need to consider that fusion power isn’t a concept explored in 40k.
I remember reading somewhere that a misfire from a plasma gun in fallout has enough energy to destroy a block.
“Plasma” is quite literally hotter than the surface of the sun. Space Marines have good armour, but it isn’t designed for that shit no matter what GW says.
Not only that, but the dude’s strength is off the charts, not only is he bigger than a space marine, he’s capable of lifting twice as much at a minimum.
Horrigan would wreck an average Space Marine in a 1v1. If the Courier can punch the head off a death claw in 1 hit (a feat which is pretty on par with space marines considering Death Claws can hurl cars weighing several tonnes one handed), Horrigan could literally unscrew an average marine’s head.
I can see him struggling against a Terminator, or a Sergeant/ Captain that have power weaponry, but a singular Space Marine would get decimated 9/10 times.
Anyone who says otherwise is picking and choosing the most ridiculous 40k lore to prop up that shitty universe.
@@thisaccountnameiscompletel8949 horrigan is the clear winner, hes closer to a obliterator in strength than a marine
@@goose5187 we ....dont talk about the time in the warp....it ...warp fuckery
@@sniperfuazo6495 Amen, but the warp fuckery is a good point for a csm maybe being stronger
One bloodraven squad, and Frank is in trouble.
Frank " WHERE DID MY SHIT GO!?"
Bloodraven " Ours"
Frank ok un digtizes more gear
I am torn between my love of fallout and warhammer.honestly I could see horrigan killing a big standard space marine but it’s not even close to an easy fight
Considering he is to a space marine what a space marine is to a normal man technically even more so. He'd absolutely one shot a space marine with his weapons and easily overpower one in cqb. It would definitely be an easy fight
I don't think cqc would be easy for frank do to the sm's speed
@@kalebb1226 cqc is a fictional martial art from metal gear solid
@@casematecardinal close quarters combat
Aka melee
@@kalebb1226 he'd curb stomp a space marine in melee.
Isn't Frank's armour like-semi grafted to him, as in he has mechanical joints and stuff? Feel like his bionics, which fallout has and I'm pretty sure Frank has should've been noted.
It really doesn't matter.
@@FerunaLutelouYou're saying one of the absolute most _important_ factors of a fight, movement, is not at all important?
@@blacktemplar1139 it doesn't impact movement
@@FerunaLutelou You need to be able to move your joints in order to create movement, so yes, it very much _does_ matter
@@blacktemplar1139 I’m pretty sure Frank’s cybernetics aren’t really meant to enhance him, they were mainly meant to keep him functioning. He has a bionic eye but we don’t know anything about that and the mechanical joints that he has built into him that were mainly ment to help Frank move around because he was too heavy to move himself around.
As long as Frank Hoorigan don't fight a space marine without a helmet, he would be fine.
Necron Gauss weapons aren't plasma. They are weird super magnets that attract tissue to the cannon of the gun at the molecular level, leaving people basically flayed, instead of weapons hyper heating matter and then shooting them at people.
The guys that made that 40K short film never touched a Necron Codex.
Also, they literally destroy atoms to my recollection
@@blacktemplar1139 They don't destroy. Instead of that they disconnect them one by one, turning the subject into the finest dust imposible. (literally so fine that it scatters in milliseconds)
So it sucks instead of blows
See all of you Warhammer fanboys are forgetting one thing
Frank Horrigan is named therefor, he wins!
Yea pretty much every franchise has that 1 Space Marines type character or unit. Fallout has Frank Horrigan, Cyberpunk 2077 has Adam Smasher, Halo with the Spartan 2’s.
Yeaaaah... keep discussing fow what franchise is better is like... uhm, "bro, go touch some grass". Nobody cares about your "my franchise is better" is like . . . How say it?
"Look this meme i did warhammer 40K fan, i put myself has the CHAD and you like the Virgin". And SAAAAAME with all franchise, especially Doom cuz that one guy is a Gary Stu... Epic, but Gary Stu anyways.
I mean, i am just a Fan of Uktrakill and i am not saying "V1 roast Fallout universe and 40K too" . Go touch some grass, is healthy.
Unnamed Space Marine loads Kraken rounds.
Frank dies instantly.
@dakotacontact-tn3hh I actually don't know what you're saying. Bro really doin' the crazed babble of an Arco-Flaggellant irl
@anon4854 Frank's helmet flies off
Then, by the laws of (plot coherence and author bias) the warp he revives and kills 5 Space Marines, with one hand because idk named character's be like that in 40k
Horrigan wins because he’s cooler than a space marine. They pretend they’re not evil, he knows he is, he just doesn’t care.
Considering how relative morality is in Warhammer, unless you are Ork, of course they will see themselves as righteous.
Also, the fucker can be killed by his own squad, you hacking his turrets and enough drugs to make you immune to pain, while you beat him with your fists.
I dont think he is that cool if thats what takes him down.
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 To be fair, the devs did state that you won because of plot armour
@@CommissarChaotic thats bad writing
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153agreed but think about it realistically. what you pull off was already unlikely combined with what he was known canonically to do the player winning is canonically impossible without plot armour lol.
2:21 I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO BE JUMPSCARED BY MY OLD CRUMMY SFM ART BRUH
SLAPPED ME IN MY JAW WITH THAT MAN.
haha, nice work man!
@@badanalysis Wanna throw me a bone and link me in the description with a timestamp as a credit?
If I had known peeps would be using this image a lot I woulda watermarked it lol
The main thing I think people should keep into mind is that Frank's weapons are bizarre kitbashed death weapons while a Space marine arsenal is mostly mass produced off the production line and is in no way meant for the type of engagements for example an opposing space marine would have. There is a reason most Chaos Marine vs Space Marine battles devolve into hand to hand combat because the rest of the arsenal is to slow or ineffective
@anirecapped. Horrigan isn't using the sci-fi equivalent of a flintlock. Arguably his weaponry is better than the standard issue lasgun. It's a pillar of 40k lore that high ranking Inquisitors or imperium figures use weapons that are 10k+ years older because they're better than the standard load out. Other than 40k having clearly superior melee weapons, the firearm weaponry hasn't really had consistency in the imperium. They still mass issue shotguns BTW, almost identical to ours.
@anirecapped.Dude graduated from debate club
The idea that one Space Marine is the equivalent of a whole army is just a meme. They are high ranking fodder.
As more of a Fallout fan than a Warhammer fan, this video is fun purely to see the comments going absolutely fucking nuts that you said Frank would win.
Yea sorry you had to see all that, Warhammer 40k fans are like the Dragon Ball fandom but for si-fi they tend to freak out if you say that something like a Spartan or Frank Horrigan can stand up to a Space Marine and win or that a faction like the Covenant could hold their own in the setting instead of immediately getting wiped out by the Imperium in the span of a year by the Imperial Guard alone.
Warhammer fans don't like it when you say something can beat another thing from Warhammer. Saw a comment where someone said that WH is the Texas of sci fi, everything is bigger but not necessarily better.
@@legaroojack1251 Hey on the other comment that I was talking with you on is basically broken on my end I can’t reply to you there at all.
@@legaroojack1251Man that is the most perfect analogy for warhammer I've ever seen
@@legaroojack1251 The funny thing is that Warhammer is pretty small and weak compared to almost every other galactic-level sci-fi universe out there, if for no other reason than 40K is a miniatures game and everything flows from that. It was pretty funny when Pancreasnowork released his '40K isn't that strong' video and a whole new generation of fans got introduced to the Xeelee-stomp.
I’ve got an idea if you’re interested in doing Fallout again, maybe putting Courier 6 and all of his cybernetics and implants from the New Vegas clinic up against a spartan 3 or 4 might also be a good match up because Courier 6 has tons of different anti power armour weapons that could definitely drop a spartan and his GRX implant could probably let him keep up with one for as long as it’s active but the spartan would have the advantage of his power armour not slowing him down and being much faster and stronger.
Yea open to any suggestions 👍
Problem is, even the best weapons in the game like anti material and gauss rifles would barely dent cermite armor. The only weapons I see working would be a high explosives like mini nukes or the shear dps of something like a plasma caster. Maybe the thermic lance and industrial hand ignoring dr/dt would be affective on the joints like a chain sword but you’d have to be an idiot to get within melee range of an Astartes
@@Maxsmack I was talking about Spartans from halo vs courier 6 in this context not space marines
@@Son_Kar ahh my bad pimp
@@Maxsmackplasma weapons in halo are known to melt the armour that spartans have on without much problem, and none of the handheld plasma weapons can turn relatively weak opponents to ash or liquid like the ones in fallout can.
Hey man, fun first video! Really fun. Just balance your voice versus media audio, I hd trouble hearing you sometimes.
Horrigan would do okay in 40K. Not great, he's a bit slow and weak in melee by their standards, but he'd do fine. There's space marines that could kill him, and ones he could kill; which is actually a damn impressive statement by 40K terms. I still love the moment in the Rogue Trader game where you meet a chaos marine for the first time, and if you're not incredibly careful your entire team of elite soldiers/psykers can wipe almost immediately. I had to reduce the difficulty to beat that part in the beta.
I’d say he’s a bit slow for 40k but he’s not that slow in comparison, your average Marine can run at what? Around 60 mph Frank can move at around 24, 30 or maybe even 40 mph so he’s not that slow and in melee he would be a beast.
I'd definitely say that the matchup depends on the Marine and Chapter/Legion in question. A raw recruit would likely get pasted by Horrigan if they hadn't fought anything similar before, but a veteran would absolutely have faced things as scary as Frank before. Ork Meganobz, Necron Skorpekh Destroyers, Tau Battlesuits, Militarum Ogryn/Bullgryns and Eldar Wraithknights are all comparable to Frank but tend to exceed his abilities in one or more fields, but still get killed by regular Marines with experience. Not to mention the various unnatural abilities and upgrades displayed by different chapters, like Psychic powers, archeotech, and augmetic usage, any of which would tip the scales more drastically. Even in the 40k books, enemies with Plasma and Melta weapons (closest 40k weapons to Fallout Plasma) aren't unstoppable despite their tremendous damage potential, as marines typically have decades to centuries of battle experience and know how to exploit their weaknesses. Now, if the marine in question was a lightly-kitted scout or crowd-control melee fighter, I'd 100% admit that they're screwed since Frank's own weapons are solid all-rounders, but he lacks the power to instantly kill a standard Marine unless he got the drop on them
I think you're confusing wraith knight with wraith lord. A wraith knight would squish Frank like an ant because in comparison Frank is the size of an ant.
Imperium has 1 mill worlds yet the average space marine vet has fought the strongest unit from every single faction? X to fucking doubt. All my lore knowledge comes from Luetin, so correct me if im wrong. Don't these guys spend most their time fighting rebellious humans who are rarely a threat?
Frank is definitely stronger than an Ogryn but go off I guess lol.
Frank is closer to being on par with a primarch than a space marine. And his weapon is superior to easily 95 percent of marines possible kit and that last 5 percent is a stretch for any space marine to have. I get you like wh but this isn't a contest. Horrigan might as well be a mini krork
@@casematecardinal HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Frank couldn't defeat a single marine in combat. A fully armoured space marine can run at nearly 60 mph or close to 100 kmh. A space marine's bones are made of fictional super metal, their armour
too. And the standard issue boltgun would rip through frank's skin and armour like a 1000 degree knife through butter.
As for your primarch statement. A thousand Frank's couldn't win against a single Primarch.
for a channel titled "bad analysis" that's some pretty good analysis
Not at all.
@@codyjackson1875 you're mad that he said frank would probably win, aren't you squidward
Frank horigan is truly the adam smasher of fallout
no. adam smasher is the frank horrigan of cyberpunk. :^)
@@DonkeyKong64InstructionBookletnot at all, Adam Smasher's character predates Frank Horrigan's by almost 10 years.
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э we're measuring by popularization, not invention. "Adam Smasher" as you're referring to him was basically a gag character equivalent in purpose to a tarrasque.
Interesting comparison
I just asked myself that question yesterday. Though I compared Frank to basically a power armoured Ogryn with a functioning brain.
Fun fact: ogryns are in parts of cannon
Stronger and taller then custodes. (Stronger notnmore powerful)
Nice video! btw Im the artist that made that Frank Horrigan render in the thumbnail, long live the enclave muties.
Thank you! Great work Helped a lot!
Your videos are absolutely great and underrated
God bless American God bless the enclave and no one else. Also good video. Keep up the great work and have a Merry Christmas.
The Xenophobe within me vs the Racist within me
Well, there is one of him and thousands of astartes
Now imagine the chosen one against a marine, guy is literally a god😂
Frank Horrigan is essentially a stabilized Thunder Warrior with cybernetic enhancements and more advanced power armor.
Thunder Warriors always wiped the floor with Space Marines whenever they fought each other, it wouldn't go any differently if Frank fought an Astartes.
Space Marine Can run 90KpH for straight 7 minutes.
Space Marine can deflect and Dodge Hypersonic rounds.
And They lift and carry tons of weight.
And they can Rip through tanks as if they were made of paper.
@@Rorschach0474 You fanboys are laughable, it's so obvious you only watch lore videos and do not engage with the actual hobby at all lmao. Space Marines have been down scaled by a lot for a while now, getting buried in rubble is enough to kill a Space Marine or even a Primarch, though it would take a building sized rubble to kill a Primarch, but still enough.
@@Myrrdin You can laugh about that all you want every hour of the day
But space marine .
has speed run of 90kph and can rip open a tank as if it was a piece of paper and best of all multiple records of space marine dodging and deflecting Hypersonic round.
there's no going around that.
Not even Spartan and especially not frank Horrigan. had achieved those Feats. imagine defecting hypersonic rounds?
And do you have The book and page that space marine died from a rubble be sure that it was just rubble by itself, cause I know what you're referring to. be sure that it was just rubble.
And read this if you have time:
Decapitation via a backhand:
Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.-
Storm Of Iron Page 17
Space marine Survive rubble:
But the rest of his retort was swallowed in a thunderous explosion as the tank outside fired its battle cannon into the derelict building. The blast pulverised a ten-metre-wide section of the building's front entrance, showering the Astartes in a hail of jagged stone and metal."
Pg.202 FA
Ferrocrete (metal concrete hybrid) breaks before Space Marine bones:
The Assault Marines bounded down the ramp, jump packs flaring. In pairs they threw themselves from the gunship's open prow. Boreas tracked their descent on the external pict-feeds, watching the ten Space Marines plunge to the ground, their jump packs slowing their descent. With impacts that would have shattered the bones of lesser warriors, Zaltys's squad landed in the compound, ferrocrete cracking beneath their booted feet.-
Purging Of Kadillus Page 226
@@Myrrdin You can laugh about that all you want every hour of the day
But space marine .
has speed run of 90kph and can rip open a tank as if it was a piece of paper and best of all multiple records of space marine dodging and deflecting Hypersonic round.
there's no going around that.
Not even Spartan and especially not frank Horrigan. had achieved those Feats. imagine defecting hypersonic rounds?
And do you have The book and page that space marine died from a rubble be sure that it was just rubble by itself, cause I know what you're referring to. be sure that it was just rubble.
And read this if you have time:
Decapitation via a backhand:
Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.-
Storm Of Iron Page 17
Space marine Survive rubble:
But the rest of his retort was swallowed in a thunderous explosion as the tank outside fired its battle cannon into the derelict building. The blast pulverised a ten-metre-wide section of the building's front entrance, showering the Astartes in a hail of jagged stone and metal."
Pg.202 FA
Ferrocrete (metal concrete hybrid) breaks before Space Marine bones:
The Assault Marines bounded down the ramp, jump packs flaring. In pairs they threw themselves from the gunship's open prow. Boreas tracked their descent on the external pict-feeds, watching the ten Space Marines plunge to the ground, their jump packs slowing their descent. With impacts that would have shattered the bones of lesser warriors, Zaltys's squad landed in the compound, ferrocrete cracking beneath their booted feet.-
Purging Of Kadillus Page 226
@@Rorschach0474found the "congratulations, they defeated one *insert Imperium unit/ship*, now they have to deal with another zigabangadillion of them with voidshield and melta dildo Swords and with the Emperor revived alongside them" guy
Man Space Marines wish they could be Frank Horrigan because this guy is pretty much a walking apocalypse to anyone fighting him.
What a fun first video to make
An yet he was killed by a normal human
Yes… a high level RPG protagonist video game character who possibly has the best gear in the game (that’s also not adding in the fact that there are variables to consideration) and the best way to actually kill Frank is by damaging his armor.
Almost every Space Marine can survive being cut directly in half, and Frank was and still had enough energy to get up, walk over, talk some shit, before his armor literally decapitated him.
Is there any non-main character Space Marine that did that?
@@doctorcorvus1319 A space marine would be smart enough to target the non armoured parts of his body. Doubt he's as dangerous with his arms blown off.
@@49mozzer Space Marines have lost to normal humans multiple times, Caiphas Cain, named sisters of battle, Eisenhorn (although a psyker, he doesn't have superhuman speed, he literally stated in the books that human Karkisins have better martial skills than himself) Commissar Guant also survived duels with them
Also a recent mobile game ad showed a sister of battle contending a chaos marine in a 1v1
I won't use it to downplay Marines, they should and are superior to even the best of humanity, but I'm just saying your argument is hypocritical because the same has happened to space marines
@@phil3751 Yeah that's chaos marines, who are either tainted or completely insane, what about loyalist marines though?
Plasma and laser weapon technologies are seriously potent relative to Fallout's timeline of development relative to other sci-fi technology advancement. Frank's armor (And power armor to an extent), can withstand these forces incredibly well for long periods of time. Considering that plasma weapons can totally "goo-ify" organic matter, and laser weapons can immolate to ash, Fallout's armor technology is doubly impressive.
When you honor technology but improving it would is bad, so you're stuck with shitty industrial power suits for armor instead of actual armor.
@@peterl3417 Its still absoloutely based that rusty and obsolete human industrial machinery is still so brutally effective.
Plasma in 40k is like firing a miniature sun, lmao.
That's because.... The sun is made of plasma? Same with plasma weapons in fall out. It's the same superheated form of matter @@Cotac_Rastic
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 that and fallouts plasma weapons don't kill everyone and the user in a good few meter radius
Tyberos, "The Red Wake", Reaper Lord of the Void has entered the Chat
Yo what this is an amazing first video
Thanks man!
As a fan of both series, this was fun to watch!
frank horrigan vs adam smasher sounds like it would be a good watch
Dude brought up 40k and thus all the spergs flocked to the comment section.
Sure a space marine would get wiped, but knowing astartes they’d line up around the block to give it a red hot crack
Sure they would get cracked but knowing fallout their area is gonna get nuked again
It's also important to note that the statistic for what T-51 can handle is widely accepted to be a massive underestimate, misunderstanding on the part of the devs, or flat out typo. With the lore around Fallout Power Armor being rather more fleshed out since the older games it's generally accepted that the specific figure mentioned in the old games is significantly outdated. Armor that barely resists 7.62 at range would not have had the tide turning capability that T-51 is known to have had in the Sino-American War before the bombs. The introduction of T-45 was enough to stop the Chinese advance in Alaska but it was a rushed and flawed enough stop-gap measure that the Chinese didn't immediately start to lose ground. T-51's introduction however saw an almost complete collapse of the Chinese lines which would've seen the Chinese completely repulsed from Alaska had the bombs not dropped. This simply isn't the sort of effect you'd see if that armor barely resisted the basic service rifle the Chinese had at the time of hostilities.
Edit: And before I get any snarky comments about how the Anti-Material Rifle chambered in .50bmg is known to be capable of piercing Power Armor as if that somehow discredits Power Armor in any feasible way (because yes, people have actually unironically used that as some kind of "gotcha" before). Let me be clear that that is quite literally almost a difference of eight times the energy at the muzzle difference. 7.62x39 produces between 1,400-1,850 Foot Pounds of Energy (1,898-2,508 Joules) at the muzzle. Pretty impressive, however, that's cute compared to .50bmg. The .50bmg measures out to between 10,000-14,500 Foot Pounds (13,558-19,659 Joules) of energy at the muzzle.
Tyberos looking at the comms of his dead brethren be like:
_ꜰɪɴᴀʟʟʏ, ᴀ ᴡᴏʀᴛʜʏ ᴏᴘᴘᴏɴᴇɴᴛ. ᴏᴜʀ ʙᴀᴛᴛʟᴇ ᴡɪʟʟ ʙᴇ ʟᴇɢᴇɴᴅᴀʀʏ._
honestly thought u had way more videos. ur production quality is so good. love the editing, love the vid. PLEASE make more stuff. subbed bro
I swear I’ve heard that song used during that Frank analysis, I just can’t remember its name for the life of me
Little correction, in Fallout 2, the Power Armor's weakness are indeed Pulse weapons and Matthew the guy who fights Horrigan has actually a fully upgraded Plasma Caster in game called Turbo Plasma Rifle. The best weapon to have in Fallout 1, and he shrugs off the 3 point blank shots like it was nothing.
I'm glad you mentioned the terminator at the end. Average Space Marine with a basic kit would stuggle with this guy. But the average Space Marine is nothing compared to his best peers
"You've gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven't met Frank Horrigan either. Your ride's over, Space Marine. Time to die."
"Space Mutie"
Adeptus Custodes: "Amateurs."
Good work pepe. Good first video.
I tried
You forgot to also mention, frank is a member of US Secret Services
it's a testament to the imperium's stagnation that essentially an overmutated person with integrated armor and a plasma gun can stand up to space marines
40k people like to act like nothing outside of the 40k universe could ever compete with a space marine. As far as they are concerned marines are invincible.
Fr I remember watching a video where the covenant from halo could stand in the 40K universe and like 1/3rd of the comments were angry warhammer fans.
So true and in warhammer lore space marines get destroyed by orks and so on
@anirecapped. Just go rewatch the video, he didn’t even say they would dominate just that they would be another faction.
@anirecapped. Plasma.
@anirecapped. but seriously that vid came out 2 years ago, I think you may have forgotten some of his points.
12ft tall is over primarch size or even the emperor depending on what size he is psychically projecting I think. This would be more interesting with a known space marine or even a custodies. Maybe Tyberos the Red Wake , Asterion Moloch, Sevator or Kharne. Versus a Eversor assassin would be pretty cool imo also.
Well yes Frank is 12 ft tall size isn’t everything and it’s not a good way of judging someone’s strength and speed, keep in mind that Frank has shown himself to be roughly on par with a space marine (which is insanely impressive considering that’s he’s operating in a post apocalypse) but even normal space marines tend to get to get absolutely destroyed with very little effort by some of the people on your list, just look at the Custodies they tend to kill normal marines so fast to the point where the marines can barely even see them.
Also side note not all of the Primarch’s are around 9 feet tall most of them are just as tall as Frank and some are even taller than him, if you lined up all of the Primarch’s next to each other from shortest to tallest then Frank would end up somewhere in the middle.
@@Son_Kar yeah, against the common space marine, Frank wins for sure, now if we are talking about Russ, Horus, Magnus or even Guilliman, yeah, i don't think so
@@khadacoveiro1363 He would not win to a Raven Guard sniper, a blood angles death company with a jump pack, an Imperial fist with a heavy bolter, etc.
@@johnsupergeil7098 exactly, pick up the most normal no-name random space marine and yeah, Frank can kill him, but if we talk about the REAL space marines, mostly not
@@khadacoveiro1363 "well, if you pick one of these guys with PLOT ARMOR, then he might lose." frank lost to one tribal with plot armor. devs even admitted that it was only plot armor that beat frank. it has to be unnamed or there is no contest, perhaps match him up to a custodes or a thunder warrior?
Agreed. A Space Marine in Power Armor would probably have a difficult time with Frank Horrigan. But in Terminator Armor, they;d be an equal match.
Unless they're a named space marine ofc.. they suffer from the main character syndrome
@anirecapped.An average space marine is said to be between 35 and 45 mph which is faster but not hilariously fast. Frank horrigan has a special 10 in every stat, so we can assume he is at peak human speed at least. Hussain bolt runs at 27 mph, so Frank could logically be as fast.
@anirecapped.There are some stating that they can move at 150mph, which tbf is absolutely hilariously fast. I assume this is more an outlier rather than the average.
@@josephbutler4950 I guess Ulysses is an even match for Frank then, eh? And firstborn space marines have been noted as moving around 53 mph (Not even their top speed) through "difficult terrain" and it is stated that primaris can move even faster than them easily. Frank could not hope to be anywhere as fast
The fallout glazing is insane
Everyone is talking crap about Space Marine specialist weapons when we're talking about a standard SM. And everyone acts like Horrigan is human and the FEV just makes you ugly and insane. AND everyone talks as if common SM don't die by the dozen against cyberneticaly enhanced chaos junkies on the regular.
Horrigan is the strongest organic(well, mostly)being the Fallout universe. He's a scientific marvel and abomination to rival Space Marines in killing capacity. Fortunately for the wasteland, he's a racist imbecile on a leash - with another racist imbecile on the other end.
Power Armor in Fallout is scary close to WH40K in terms of protection, maybe even better considering how prolific plasma weaponry is. And while it lacks severely in terms of utility, Horrigan is grafted to his armor.
It's a pretty even playing field between Horrigan and a standard Space Marine.
Hell, even Gorris has a good chance at killing your average Space Marine
I love your thumbnail. It's too good!
Let's take this to the Death Battle guys, I really wanna see this scenario in action
Death battle 🤢 there calls for powerscaleing are horrendous only thing going for them are there animations
Sadly Death Battle would only put Frank up against a named space marine and not your run of the mill no named marine and besides if Frank ever got on to death battle he would probably end up fighting Adam Smasher from cyberpunk 2077 because that’s his most popular matchup.
@@Son_Kar I mean Frank is a named character so I do think he should fight a named Marine.
@@Son_Kar Putting frank up against an unnamed space marine would be like putting courier 6 against an unnamed guardsman. It wouldn't be fair by a longshot.
@@Swordsoulreaver True but named Space Marines like Dante, Sigusmend and Tyberos the Redwake all make the standard Marines look like children in comparison and Frank is roughly on par with the standard ones.
Okay, so browsing through the comments--to save people time--it seems that you have A) Space Marine win, because power-fantasy and 'superior experience' or B) Frank wins because he evens out any tech advantage and he's so damn big.
And even then you'll have the people who will reach as deep as they want in the 40k lore to pull something Marine-shaped to beat Frank, just because. Blah blah blah, it just keeps confirming something that I notice in these 'who would win fights'--40k is consistently the brute-force faction. It's, kinda shocking how that seems to be 40k's overall gimmick, brute force. Maybe it's from all the Khorne-poisoning...
40k is a setting where marines can go as low as 30 points, and armies are worth 1000 or more points. You need to wake up and understand that 40k just doesn't care about your plucky sense of rebellion. It is not designed to make rebelling seem fun or heroic, or make freedom fighters look capable, and cool. It isn't about people with names. It is a universe designed to fill you with dread, and represent different groups at their mythological and technological zenith and beyond. Then people get pissy when said fantasy setting doesn't play nice in power scaling competitions, as if that were its problem. 40k has been playing an _internal_ power scaling competition for almost 50 years now.
it really just depends about WHAT space marine are we talking about, there's only one Frank, but a space marine? we can go from a "normal" one to a fuckin primarch
@anirecapped. yeah, sure.
Oh! It's not brute force, it's bad writing, warhammer is just plain bad. Is it fun? Yeah, is it good? It's the most inconsistent lore in existence
@@kaeldavidson6898 Howdy! Well said.
40k is unfortunately a Postmodern fiction that WAS written by demented geniuses, 1987. A lot of demented geniuses lived in Britain around the 70s/80s, like Terry Pratchett and the Monty Python crew. If you view 40k as a body of literature, not as a game, and you'll see the Postmodern assumptions under all three. It's the waters it was born in.
Edit: The Postmodernism of those decades, not the mutations we're dealing with today.
Cheers!
now we just need frank vs. adam smasher
I second this
@@iansahleen1173 petition death battle for this
Yea on every death battle tier list I see for these two they always end up at the top of each others lists.
If frank lands a single hit its over. But the trouble is landing that hit. But given his kit its possible
I see people mad that he said Frank wins, but look, that is just 1average space marine of the Ultramarine variant. against an experienced Gray Knight or even just 2 Space marines, Franks chances go down dramatically. Don't even have to get started on a Custodes or any named character who would demolish Frank
I think Frank has this in the bag as long as the national anthem is playing
The red wake though
Frank gives off that tyberos vibe
*_YOU CANNOT SEE TYBEROS THE RED WAKE_*
He's not as big though
@@Liam-lx8xb Which one Frank or Tyberos?
@@Son_Kar Tyberos. Horrigan utterly dwarfs him.
@@joshwenn989Mate,Tyberus 12ft tall,They equal tall lol
Tyberos would be a perfect match against Frank Horrigan honestly
1v1 is probably in horrigans favor
with two space marines than space marines would win i imagine, also depends on the arsenal of the said space marine.
Space marine can run 90kph, Can tear through tank as if they are paper, can Deflect and Dodge Hypersonic rounds.
YEEEAAAHH!!!! you mentioned the Night lords
Accurate channel name
i think it'd be the opposite the marine in favor of a ranged engagement and horrigan in favor of CQB, because the marines targeting system in his helmet would be far better than anything horrigan got.
I liked the video I personally want to give to it slightly more to the space marine mostly because of healing factor and how space marines are literally able to produce more natural chemicals and and combat stims that they could use
I think the space metals would tank the plasma weapons relatively well, ceramite is a ceramic like material and Tau pulse rifles tend to require massed fire to take down a Space Marine.
It’s a bit more complicated than that, Fallout’s standard plasma rifles are comparable to 40k plasma in that they are as hot as a sun and that they are capable of turning an entire man into goop and the Plasma Caster is a heavy weapons version of that and it’s considerably better then you’ve got Franks version of the Plasma Caster which has been scaled up to his size to the point where it’s basically a burst fire cannon.
Taus plasma weapons are weaker than Imperial ones.
Tau plasma weapons literally rip through Space Marine armour like butter. In the recent Sea of Souls novel it takes not even half a dozen pulse carbine shots to kill a _Terminator._ One of them is a lucky headshot and he's gone, instantly. The others just drill through his chest armour with no effort.
Epic video and thanks for using my rap haah.
This was really fun video thanks
Ok, but hear me out. Blood angel, he just succummed to the black rage, and he has lightning claws
Frank Horrigan? More like HORUS!
This. This is a really accurate matchup if im honest. No 40k OP bias this does both the Fallout Universe and 40k justice to their lore! You have earned a sub from me!
It’s not accurate at all lol. Super mutant enhancements and power armor, hell even a behemoth wouldn’t stand a chance against an astartes. Unnamed space marines have outperformed things much bigger than Frank in feats of sheer strength. A weapon wouldn’t even be needed.
@@codyjackson1875You’re joking right? An east coast super mutant Behemoth in Washington DC is around 20 to 30 feet tall and are made of nothing but pure FEV muscle, even Ogren are fiscally stronger than Astarties, I mean sure if they just shot it in the face with a Bolter then yea it would be a piece of cake but a melee engagement? Yeah no the gap in strength is just too much.
As for Frank you do realize that he’s not just some dumb mutant or ork right? He’s actually a highly trained and professional soldier that was hand crafted by the Enclave. He’s 12 feet tall, constantly being pumped full of strength boosting chems like psycho and buffout and is equipped with a burst fire plasma cannon in no way is this an easy fight for the Marine.
@@Son_Kar Despite being at their best, a behemoth and frank, even teaming up, would lose against a naked space marine in seconds in just CQC, solely because they aren't anywhere near the same level of training or ability. They get wiped in seconds or less.
@@mobiusone6994 If an unarmored Space Marine went up against Frank Horrigan that Marine would get his teeth kicked in by Frank he’s not just some dumb ork who’s only strategy in a fight is just to swing wildly until he hits the guy. Yea sure he isn’t as fast and his reaction time would be around that of a normal human but he’s definitely not slow, he’s still leagues above the best of humans in terms of speed due to his mutations and enhancements. Even underneath his armor Frank is very durable, if a standard super mutant like Marcus can tank 7.62 rounds without much issue then Frank would definitely tank a Space Marines punches, both don’t even feel all that much pain and they don’t even seem to care about massive trauma like broken bones, missing limbs or deep cuts.
Frank, even if you doubled his armor, gets his shit rocked by an unarmored space marine. He's leagues above humans yes, but leagues below the hyper-enhanced superhuman space-marines of 40k. He doesn't have the muscle, speed, smarts, expertise, or experience that any space marine does. All he'd have going for him is his smarts, since his armor is, frankly, subpar even for some tech-raider on the least civilized worlds of 40k.@@Son_Kar
I'd say Frank Horrigan wouldn't like to meet a Necron and its Gauss gun
i wouldn't say I'd like to meet one either, they don't seem very nice imo.
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Funny how in lore the space marines are so badass and indestructible and in the tabletop game they most often die after just a few lasgun shots. I also agree on the end result.
i mean, a bolter isn't a assult rifle, is basicaly a full auto rocket luncher
no. no it is not. it is a .75 caliber gun, but still shoots kinetic rounds.
@@jacobschneider3975 it shoot micro rocket maybe not a rocket launcher but still
Hey I love 40k and know the lore well enough to say that frank would probably win. Honestly frank would be a space marine in 40k lol. He’s basically going toe to toe with any space marine. Frank is just as equipped as a marine and just as strong as an ogryn without the negative effects of both. He’s strong and intelligent, and way more durable. Space Marines come in vast quantities, not much in terms of the rest of the galaxy in 40k but still there is 1000 chapters roughly and 1000 marines in each one meaning 1000000 total. All with flaws, some not as good as others, and many chapters wiped out by being outnumbered or out gunned. Frank Horrigan is the 1 and only. He’ll take down at least 10 best of the best space marines before he gets put down.
I would Frank as the Space Marine may be fast but that Frank just needs a Stomp.
Also for as strong as space marines are, they die alot to things they should be able to handle (Necrons make sense)
Pretty excellent analyses, perfection.
Great first video!
Frank is probably on par with an Ork warboss, however, a killteam of Astartes would be armed with bolters, plas pistols, chain or power swords, and have reflexes to match even the quickest of franks movements.
Not really that great of a comparison? Astartes are meant to be the best right.
@@l0sts0ul89 Thats mostly marketing. They are the "best" mass produced soldiers in the IoM. If you want the best you need to look at the Custodes and even better than them, the Primarchs.
Yeah id say he’s in the range of war bosses, deadnauts and castodes
@iansahleen1173 very true maybe a couple named marines aswell since books go hard sometimes haha
@@iansahleen1173 no way he’s on par with a custodes
Frank Horrigan strengths:
Secret service agent experimented on with FEV, turning him into a behemoth, while retaining his sanity and intelligence. Wearing modified X-01 Power armor exclusively designed for his massive body, grafted into his skin and flesh, giving him the defense of a bunker. Access to fusion weaponry (super-heated material hotter than the surface of the sun), fusion being a concept not explored or discovered in WH40k, and likely has nothing to counter its potential.
Frank Horrigan weaknesses:
Slow and awkward movement, restrictive armor, very limited options in combat due to his size, one of a kind, no replacements available.
Space Marine Can see hypersonic round in slow mo.and also capable of dodging and deflecting hypersonic rounds.
Can 90KPH.
Tear through tanks as if they were made by paper.
im seeing quite a bit of misunderstanding about frank horrigan
1 no frank horrigan is not stupid, frank horrigan is insanely smart, the enclave scientists that made him have an intelligence stat of 9
he has a 10 in intelligence, putting him cannonicly above some of the greatest minds in the fallout universe
2 frank horrigan is absolutely not slow with an endurance of 10 and an agility of 10, would put him at an absurdly high reaction speed and running speed, with the size of his legs his stride would be masive and require fewer steps, he would aproximately be making steps of about 5 to 6 ft, that's almost 2 meters per, step
3 his power armor is custom fitted and grafted, and made to size, that doesn't just mean, it's regular power armor plating, actually it's plates aren't even standart issue, frank horrigan was fitted with the absolute BEST, the enclave had, that means he got top of the line, way thicker armor, way more powerfull armor, then your regular suit of power armor would ever be, even the best model of standart issue power armor can't hold a candle to frank horrigans suit, and normal power armor in fallout with what it can withstand is ABSURDLY durable.
and he can take shots, from top of the line plasma casters, rocket launchers, the biggest guns you can find, and gaus snipers, the strongest weapons in fallout 2, take many, many shots to take him down
4 a fallout plasma pistol, can in fallout lore, turn someone into goop, in one shot, these shots get stronger, the bigger, the more advanced the plasma weapon is.
if a plasma pistol, can do that, a plasma riffle, should be doing MUCH more damage due to it's capacity to put in more power, then we move up to a standart issue, plasma caster, this would be the point where you aren't just melting holes through tanks instantly, but fully dissintigrating them, and that is a standart issue plasma caster.
frank horrigan has a custom made, fitted to size, high end top of the line plasma caster, that means it is not only far above the normal standart issue plasma caster, but also bigger, more able to put in more energy into it's shots, and this man fires it, A LOT.
5 Frank horrigan isn't just, a super mutant in a suit, and not just underwent biological altering experiments, he recieved tech implants aswell that enhanced everything that was there immensely, and that was BEFORE, they put him in a power armor that enhanced him even more.
he's not just a behemoth, he is a behemoth the enclave pushed and pushed with experiment uppon experiment, i bet he could punch a regular behemoth to death in a single blow.
i hope i gave some usefull information ^^
Yeahhhhhh a terminator space marine is gonna get mulched
1. Frank horrigan IS stupid the Vs Battle wiki describes him as being below average in intelligence before exposure to FEV which further damaged his intellect a majority of the time those Fallout numbers are meaningless to describe actual strengths. Meanwhile Astartes possessed enhanced intelligence and have implanted knowledge combined with decades to centuries of fighting experience and can react to and process information in nanoseconds.
2. Frank's speed and reaction time is quick being around peak human but that's laughably slow compared to an Astartes subsonic and hypersonic reaction speeds. In Tales of Heresy pg. 304 a sprinting Astartes is described as "covering half a dozen meters with every pace." Can jump 4 meters standing still, and crossing 10 meters and vaults a table in the time it takes a human heart to beat also faster than the eye can track.
3.The absolute best in power armor from a pre interstellar civilization isn't really saying much and when it's made out of early to late Cold War era tech whereas 40k power armor is using fictional sci fi materials of IMMENSE quality compared to wasteland tech. I can very easily see krak missiles krak grenades, plasma guns, melta, lascannons, graviton, heavy bolters and heavy flamers bringing him down or any unique bolter round ammunition like kraken you name it. 40k weapons can easily compare to some of the strongest weapons in Fallout.
4. As some 40k commentators have pointed out Fallout plasma does not compare to 40k plasma which casually atomizes large humanoid targets like Astartes or atomize a certain 12 ft tall mutant and power armor ceramite is resistant to energy weapons like las fire. Annihilating a tank with such a weapon is really just a given.
5. Nothing you said would compare to the enhancements that an Astartes would receive gifted to him by the Emperor of Mankind and with some of the best surviving scientists from the Dark Age of tech outside of armor the Marine is stronger, faster, more durable, intelligent, and can fight for days without rest. Inside the armor the Marine's strength is multiplied tenfold. There really should be no comparison with a random hideous mutation born from a mistake versus perfect gene engineering crafted by a literal demi god of the human race and ancient scientists carrying secrets and findings from the peak of technological growth from a civilization that largely controlled the whole galaxy.
I'm just here to correct some misunderstandings about Space Marines that i'm seeing pretty often that's all.
@@AeonMonad4286 vs battle wiki? Ok then... also, don't give 40k so much credit...
@@kaeldavidson6898 Im really not if I knew an Astartes couldn't win here then I wouldn't have said anything the info I said is really not that special it should just be something people should know. People give way too much credit to Frank though thinking he's actually stronger just because he's bigger and taller but it's really the opposite. I honestly thought the fight was much closer before I researched more and came to my conclusion.
Is that so? Then Mama Murphy will fold Frank in half because she has 19 strength. Ulysses will will too since his stat is max and has higher health. Dont confuse gameplay with lore, in the game he's mentioned as being dumb and loyal.
Next battle analysis: Primarch vs Frank Horrigan
Honestly I think Starscourge Radahn from Elden Ring would be a better matchup for the Primarch’s that’s a more fair and thematic fight
0:12 is there a full soundtrack?
in terms of armour and strength, you could say horrigan is like a thunder warrior. hes a giant scary murder brick, but astartes are faster and their armour is far better. only the upper part of thunder warriors armour is powered so it doesnt speed them up much where as experienced astartes can move faster than the human eye can see. astartes were also what killed the thunder warriors, but it was like, 100k against 10k and the custodes helped. thunder warriors could take out like 6 of the untested astartes each before being taken down.
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basically, frank only has to hit the astartes once, but its catching them thats he problem.
@anirecapped. he's not slower. He's got 10 in every stat. It seems like he's slower because of clunky gameplay and balancing for the player. But his stats don't lie, and unlike warhammer, neither does fallout's lore, it has to be stated.
One acronym my friend: V.A.T.S
@anirecapped. I don't think I have to even fight this... I feel like you just threw yourself into a wall, my friend. I'm glad you enjoy warhammer so much. But don't make it your only passion, ok?
no, that is not true. horrigan's armor is rated to handle plasma, and especially las-gun fire FAR better than a space marine. contrarily though, it is worse rated for kinetic rounds.
Hey, just a heads up, but your voice is a bit too quiet for it to be easily audible some of the time, and some of the sounds you included drown younout completely like at 3:03. I'd recommend increasing the decibels in whatever editing program you use to a point your voice is clear to hear no matter what, because it makes it difficult to watch the video when I can't make out what you're sayinf 3 rewinds.
True in a 1v1 Frank probably wins but marines have upside of probably not being alone.
An if they are alone then it's probably someone like Captain Titus
DOES NOBODY REMEMBER FRANKS ELITE TROOPS HE TRAINED
Frank's elite troops have the disadvantage of not being Frank
@@bone_zoner lore wise they never leave his side
@@49mozzer still, full auto plasma gun.
Well made vid i love your extensive analysis of both combats
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