I always thought Sumia was marketed to be Chrom's 'canon' pairing as a nod to Marth and Caeda from FE1. Awakening is full of easter eggs and references to the older games. One of my favorites is actually how Cordelia not being able to support with Chrom is a reference to another Pegasus Knight, Catria, who held unrequited love for Marth
@@dougdoug2469 Chrom X Sumia lacked much of the nuances that made Marth x Caeda, and to a lesser extent Roy x Lilina and Ephraim x Tana, successful. And it also creates problems with Cynthia.
@@LittleAl016 didn't Marth X Caeda got most of their stuff AFTER their game to really flesh them out like 2 remakes a 2 games supplement materials and the likes? Can't comment on Roy x Lilina since I haven't played Biding Blade and as for Ephraim X Tana while it's my preferred options I think him with L'Arachel might his more popular options and the game honestly doesn't really favor either of them anyways so Ephraim doesn't have a canon lover hell even heroes doesn't really mention anything about Tana or L'Arachel's for Ephraim so that just doesn't work here. As for Cynthia we already talked enough about it 😅 all and all Chrom and Sumia really just are victims of the fact that you can marry them yourself and how marriage work in awakening in general with the future kids.
Doesn't help that the cutscene which introduces Sumia in Awakening, rescuing Chrom, is called "Lovebirds" in both the NA release and original Japanese.
@@LittleAl016 I feel like Robin x Sumia is better than Chrom x Sumia. Mainly because their support conversation is one of the better ones since Robin and Sumia bonded over common interests like reading, which sort of how most relationships start.
6:49 Technically Heroes does mention their relationship, with Nils’s Forging Bonds conversation being about his concern with Ninian’s love for Eliwood resulting in her staying behind and not living very long afterwards
What I like about Chrom and Olivia is that Inigo is the only future child who has the mark of the Exalt in the opposite eye as Lucina and in Fates he mentions the mark and that Lucina has it on her eye while Xander wonders and asks how this affect their sight. And he answers that he never asked about this
The funny thing about Olivia is that both her and Robin are love at first sight, Sumia, on the other hand, is someone in his team she couldn’t even qualify for childhood friend and the top pick is his first AND last recruit that he just saw and go “yeah, I clap that” with no hesitation
I like to think when berkute is dying, no one els can see rinea. And this is a “ghost” of sorts that he made up with the joint memories of his past with her, so he can enter the afterlife more peacefully.
I feel like Eliwood and Ninian not being heavily pushed by IS as canon, might be a results of it’s problematic implications for Roy. Ninian being Roy’s mother makes him part dragon, which is a very invasive change to Roy and one that Binding Blade cannot reflect or explain in any way due to Blazing Blade coming after it.
Roy being part-dragon is one of those things that actually makes FE6's plot way more interesting, but feels like something that would come up in FE6 if he was, so it's in a weird place.
I think you have a valid point, but I don’t think it’s as problematic as you think. Ninian is a weaker dragon, more so if she stays with Eliwood in Elibe, plus she’s a half dragon too so the powers Roy could* inherit would be even weaker, and potentially dormant in him. I say could, because biological there is the chance that Roy just wouldn’t inherit the dragon powers genetically.
@@neog8029 no, Ninian is closer to Fae than the War Dragons. She also uses a dragonstone to transform and Roy doesn’t even really hate Idunn because she was forced to make war dragons and spares her if he defeats her with the binding blade.
Sumia's role in Awakening is really interesting to look at in hindsight. IS wasn't just banking on her being the canon choice for Chrom--she was meant to be THE pegasus knight of the game and one of its major characters. Not only is she right next to Chrom on the game's boxart, there's special art of her and Lissa that was used for promotions, and not every character got one of those. She's also one of the few units to stay in the main story after her introduction: she has a special illustration with a pegasus and then there's the scene where she slaps Chrom after he loses his confidence. Clearly, she was a favorite of the development team. However, Cordelia became the fan favorite instead and Sumia was pushed to the side. Not only did Cordelia get to be in Warriors, Sumia wasn't added to Heroes until YEARS in, while Cordelia was there day 1 and has received multiple alts since. Still, Sumia can rest easy knowing she is very clearly meant to be Chrom's canon choice. That's the one win she has.
I think the most random canonical relationship is est and abel. It’s so random because character interactions for non plot important characters are practically nonexistent in the archanea games, yet these two unrelated characters are husband and wife, with shadow dragon’s ending having the two getting married. In new mystery, Abel’s only other support conversation aside from Kris is with est, he doesn’t even have one with cain and cain himself doesn’t even have any other support conversations aside from with kris(something which everyone has). They don’t even get a happy ending as in new mystery, her ending has her straight up go missing with abel himself goes missing looking for her. It’s also strange because unlike alot of the other relationships in new mystery like merric and elice or julian and Lena, their romance is completely on the side of everything. What makes this already strange romance even weirder is that Palla also has a crush on Abel, her death quote in shadows of valentia is “Forgive me, Abel… it doesn’t look like I’ll be returning home…”. I just find it so strange that they gave Abel such a detailed love life while Cain has nothing to work with.
I 100% agree with the Clive/Mathilda part they are my favourite sov characters by far. I hope in the future IS makes more canon couples and doesnt just rely on player's choice especially if the avatar is the only one able to have a relationship (like engage)
3:20 that's probably because Rinea didn't existed in the original script, where Berkut and Fernand joined Alm after their battle at the start of act 4, which is why she feels tacked onto this story.
The Kaga games were a little weird about this, since it feels like most of the Jugdral relationships were closely familial. My least favorite was Arion and Altena. They were raised as siblings, they didn't know they were unrelated until the moment Altena's recruited. While they don't end up together due to the whole Gae Bulg curse deal, it still felt super uncomfortable for them to be into each other this whole time. In Thracia they introduced Linoan, Arion's fiancee...but still have their romance doomed because Arion is in love with Altena, while Linoan is in love with Arion's knight, Dean. Maybe it was intentional to show just how unlikely it was that Arion and Linoan's relationship would have worked out, but...come on, do you HAVE to be more in-love with your technically-not-blood-related sister over your actual fiancee? Arion and Altena aren't completely unrelated either, since their ancestors were blood-siblings
While the plot of Jugdral is very tragic end focused so some kind of taboo relationship fits Kaga really liked it being familial over only having the one big tragic one be familial because it makes a vessel for evil and make other tragic ones be less weird, class difference, houses or nations opposed, political vs love and such.
@@Masterblader158 it was never about taboo relationship. That is just Japan in general. There are tons of sibling weird relationships dynamics in their media. Just a perverted view of many japanese storytellers.
Some of them. However, we get Quan & Ethlin and Sigurd & Deirdre in the first two chapters, and the only optional romance between close relatives is with Shanan and Larcei IIRC. Arion and Altenna are actually the exception in being smart enough to not get involved.
Chrom X Sumia was pretty much a big screw up that the developers pretty much realized was a screw up after Awakening was released. Not only did it not reach the top 10 most popular Awakening couples, outright beat out by Chrom X Olivia, which is itself beat out by Chrom X Robin in terms of Chrom's couples, there's a lot of things about Chrom X Sumia that don't make much sense. Namely, Cynthia, who seems to be rendered into coming across like she was dropped on her head too many times as an infant in her own Paralogue.
if intsys wanted chrom and sumia to be popular and canon why on earth did they make sumia so lame, nothing is really wrong with her personality but she has something like 1/3rd the supports of the other characters. Yknow supports where most of awakening's character development comes from. And then theres cynthia, again nothing really wrong with her but shes not really...... cool. shes one of the lamer kids imo.
To add onto the Clive and matilda, allowing matilda to die has Clive explode at alm after the battle, yelling at him and basically almost suggesting that he isn’t fit to lead the Deliverance before like recalibrating. I think this sharp break in character I think is a really cool example of their canon romance, it feels really real in that moment and you as alm feel unbelievably bad th-cam.com/video/hlfgp4aS_A0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=n-rze--zyzjnQmpK
Roy and Lilina actually are straight up the canon ending in Hasha no Tsurugi. I honestly hope with remake of FE6 and 7 they just make it official because honestly I'm tired of the lack of proper canon relationships just for the sake of allowing the Avatar to marry people/allowing people to play matchmaker, especially when unlike in Geneology, Awakening and Fates there's not mechanical utility to doing so.
The writer of that manga (Hiroshi Izawa) making them official in their story isn’t a “canon in the books so must be canon to the games”…it’s more a “Oh they ship this? Nice.” as the mangas aren’t canon so the writers have more freedom to what they want also Izawa wasn’t involved in development or a writer of FE6 so take it with a grain of salt. (FE4 has two mangas that confirm different ships like Oosawa made Lex/Ayra canon in their story while Fujimori instead went for Chulainn/Ayra While I love Roy/Lilina, I can only see them only being more pushy towards it to encourage the player to pair them up or more moments between them in the main story due to the popular of ship in the east and her father being a fan favourite but not fully committed to it to not upset players who don’t like it.
@@anotherprofessional Also worth noting: The writer(s) of the Elibe Disturbance novels have no involvement with Binding Blade or Blazing Blade, and ship Hector X Florina, and Lyn X Rath.
To bad that they forgot to put some substance in the relationship between Lilina and Roy, the sole developpement is : Lilina is madly in love with him, she became super dependant on him and then he somehow (outside supports) return her feelings for no reason. You can even imagine that Roy don't love her and only agree to marry Lilina because he promised Hector to protect her. Like it if you want but imposing it to all the players wouldn't be a good idea. It's like if they remade the first pokemon game and force you to take charizard everytime because it's the most popular one.
I always pair Chrom and Olivia bc Inigo is the only child character who gets the mark on his eye just like Lucina. Robin also feels pretty canon too Sumía is a nothing burger, I can understand why she gets ignored
It’s so funny how with chrom and sumia being semi canon, you’d assume the localization team would try really hard to not mess up their supports but somehow they butchered their chrom and sumia support in a similar way to saizo and beruka. To some extent their support is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine as chrom is the kind of dolt who would marry someone because they bake good pies(the man literally eats oranges with the peel on, there’s nothing he won’t do) but I still wouldn’t call it good. Given that it’s supposed to be the canon couple, it’s kind of baffling that instead of any kind of budding romance or emotional development of any kind, chrom instead marries someone for knowing how to bake pies when he’s the literal king of Ylisse, he could definitely find a good baker of pies without having to marry someone. It’s such a bizarre change, though it still isn’t the absolute worst change in the awakening localization, that’d be making Walhart and abusive dad to morgan for some reason when he isn’t one in the Japanese version.
I kinda prefer to see characters with canonical pairings. I personally barely ever engage in the match making mechanics that are so prominent in the recent games. Having to make every character flexible enough to romance every other character or even the self insert character makes them weaker written characters overall, imo.
I feel like even if they did make Marth romanceable, it would be really weird. And I'm a massive Marth fangirl who wouldn't think twice about marrying him. We've seen him with Caeda so many times, and it's a really cute relationship. It would be weird for him to stray away from that, almost hurt his character a bit
I mean isn't the only truly Canon couple largo and calil which is not that important to begin with. The other are just strongly implied but nothing more,but maybe I'm forgetting someone
@ I mean honestly I’d count most of them as canon seeing how there is only one parter available unlike the outcome of most other games and characters…Like Mist either ends up with Boyd or ends up alone same with Elincia and Geoffrey or Jill and Haar etc.…almost all the relationships in the game are a binary of either these two characters end up together or they die single and almost all of them are romantic hence the popular Ike and Sothe theory (which though I support am not counting in the group that should be here)
@JordiCalcos i mean yeah thats a good argument but I those always felt so strange of combination that I never actually counted them and they are never mentioned anywhere else, like haar and Jill is strange,my man haar is like a father to Jill and boid is maring his brother best friend and the sister of his captain. But I guess that they can be considered canon
10:49 the amount of people I see that don't realise this is insane, I've even seen a person say that the Clive dead ending is better for her. If that's the kind of outlook someone has on some fictional character's personal story I shudder to imagine what kind of warped perception they have of the world.
@@justnoob8141why would i want a 36th mage that gets slowed by swamps when i could have a broken dread fighter that doesn't get slowed by anything, tank enemy mages and one tap crit everything in his path?
It's genuinely so funny how male Robin and Chrom have been shipped more and more recently. Whether it's on purpose or not, them ALWAYS being together is really funny, yet also incredibly wholesome.
Not really, it's sad really that a close male relationship simply can't be seen as a solid, brotherly friendship anymore. Modern people HAVE to make any relationship be romantic/sexual. ...also my preferred ship is Robin/Lissa which makes them literal brothers so I'm a bit biased lol. But my point still stands.
@@DrakonPhD Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I can go either way on their relationship personally. And more often than not, I do prefer the brotherly type of bond that 2 men can have, like Jayce and Viktor in Arcane for example. I guess the point I was trying to make was that it's funny how more mainstream and commonly talked about their relationship has been becoming recently :D My favourite ship was Robin x Olivia but that's just because I really like Olivia, so I totally get your bias c:
@@DrakonPhD I mean, shipping doesn't care about gender. People have been shipping together characters that share any type of bond for decades now. Like, I'm pretty sure literally any two characters that have a support chain together will have a group of shippers writing fanfic on that. For.. better or worse.
@@DrakonPhD It's weird how this is only an argument regarding two men and never a man and a woman. It's always 'they have a brotherly bond!' but Robin and Chrom interact with any woman, and it has to be romantic, nobody is going to argue about how it's better off as a platonic friendship bond. Besides, Heroes even gave a small nod you cannot cope away to M!Chrobin lol, just look at that Day of Devotion alt. You can not like them as a pairing, but no need to excuse it with this 'better off as a brotherly bond!' thing, gay men can and do exist and are even more prevalent in FE nowadays with Leon, Yuri, Linhardt, and several of the Engage men state romantic love for M!Alear in their S-supports.
I thought it would be interesting to talk about leif and nanna and how she is and isnt his canon wife depending on if you play Thracia or Genealogy Also Sigurd and Deirdre being so canon their relationship is actually a plot point I also think that Ike and Soren are at pretty much the same level of canon as Eliwood and Ninian (heavily hinted through their game but the main characters have the posibility to have a paired ending with other people, while their "canon lover" only has them as a paired ending option, if you do pair them up together the story makes much more sense and is more emotionally appealing giving the impression this is the "right ending") but they are never acknowledged as such because "why cant two guys just be friends" Anyways, its so weird to me how Sacred Stones is the only one with no "canon" pairings for the lords out of the pre-dating sim era, like sure they can have a lover, but they are never encouraged throughout the game?? was that supposed to be lyon? I guess SS is just not that kind of game, focusing on friendship instead
Ever since I started the FE series with Awakening, is it weird that I felt like if Robin is male, the game pushes you to pair Chrom with Sumia; but if Robin is female, the game pushes you to pair Chrom with Robin?
@@yoshidoor5229 Robin is actually 4th on the priority list, only ahead of Olivia. The wiki says that the order is Sumia, Sully, Maribelle, F Robin, then Olivia.
I love Mathilda and Clive together, They're so dramatic and cheesy. I've never had a good Clive before, but she's always there to rescue him like the gallant Valkyrie she is.
I believe the whole Sumia ordeal was an attempt to make a canon but not obligatory couple that ultimately failed for IS. Olivia was a lot more weight in her supports, is way more popular and Inigo inheriting the Brand as a mirror image of Lucina's and he being able to wield the Falchion is just the final nail on the coffin.
One relationship that's technically canon but also completely optional is Lewyn and Erinys. We know this for a fact because Ced, the son of Erinys, wields the holy Wind tome, Forseti, in Thracia 776 and eventually Heroes.
Another one i think about a lot that isn't even that new is Lewyn, his widely accepted canon relationship is Erinys since in all posterior content places Ced as the inheritor of Forsetti but they just refuse to say it out loud
I wish FEH would let some of the alts have explicit relationships. If we're getting 8 Chroms, they may as well let each have a different wife, or at least do that for the kids' alts.
Im glad im not the only one who sees Olivia as canon for Chrom theres just too much evidence. Sure Sumia has the intro, but Olivia has the types of love portrait shes featured in in warriors along with tharja/robin which is obsessive love, and lissa/owain which is parent and child. Not only that how their children act shows a lot i say. Obviously each of chroms kids were planned to have the mark of the exalt shown in their crits. Inigo is the only one who out right mentions it. Not to mention Cynthia not know what her own father looks like if its Chrom? Her recruitment chapter has her fighting for a fake Chrom which doesnt make sense as if anything there would be some sort of picture of chrom. We see lucina at the castle so there would of been a portrait of him so it makes no sense that cynthia which going by lucinas age during that scene where grima appears in the future that cynthia wouldnt be old enough to know what her father looked like. So the fact they messed that up for the 'canon' couple sucks.
Adding in as i had to hurry inside of work during previous comment. Inigo being Chroms son makes sense. He has been compared to Lucina his entire life it sounds like which makes sense only if hes the child of another noble or a close retainer (virion, robin or frederick) sure hes the adopted grandson of basilio so that counts to. But it also only works if hes the sibling to Lucina, because im sure modt younger siblings or older siblings can attest to feeling inferior at points when constanly compared to their sibling. So his sibling support with lucina also makes sense as its trying to make sure Inigo can use the falchion which is a lot of pressure on a guy whose already under a lot of pressure being compared to their sibling.
No mention of FE4 seems a strange omission since that is the one old game that has multiple canon couples, several near canon couples, and some freely pairable units.
Subaki and Serena in FE14 are a canon couple as well as Odin and Elise, and Azure and Felicia if ya read between the lines. There is no getting around all of that at all.
Chrobin should be canon, not only Lucina travelling back in time to kill her mother who killed her husband in the future is insane, but Lucina would also have both Naga's and Grima's blood. I also think that for a game based on people's bonds a familiar and love bond as a nucleus would be the most impactful and beautiful narrative wise. Chrom and Robin are called each other's "other half" even. That cut scene with Lucina when Robin is her mother is not only one of the best things I've seen in all of Fire Emblem, but also brought the emotional impact of Awakenings narrative to a whole to level
3:20 i disagree sometimes characters dont need insane depth to be good or rather, them not being super in-depth helps another already well written character be even more fleshed out.
I’d argue that somehow in their desire to avoid confirming Chrom’s wife they’ve accidentally made him and male Robin a couple. Like these 🚬 are insepersble
@@bradford9086we have magic, dragons, people that turn into beast and pocket dimensions to make childrens grow 18 in 10 days. I'm sure they'll have a way to either get a man pregnant or use some magic to make a baby pop from thin air using a DNA sample
Poor sumia. She never had a chance once the female avatar was able to s support chrom. Between the game mechanic of pairing chrom with his highest support if hes not married by the midway point and just how much there is focusing on their bond, Chrobin feels more like the pseudo-canon relationship than whatever sumia and chroms cute couple ship name would be.
I am not surprised that Marth and Caeda remain canon. There is no game where Marth is a romance option for the player. They are the first couple so I understand them getting special treatment. I will agree that it is weird that Eliwood and Ninian is not treated as canon. I have my own theory. If Nintendo ever remakes FE7, then they would want to expand the tactician's(player charecter's) role. The tactician will be a playable unit with supports. Most likely, Eliwood will be a romance option for female tacticians. It would be awkward if they establish Ninian as canon then backtracked.
Flora & Jakob Kongero & Saizo were in a relationship For M Robin Thjara or Lucina F Robin Chrom I kinda see the closest to being the canon couple for a character what can be with anyone. Personal favorite couple is Lon'qu and Cordelia in Awakening they just fit so well even with Lon'qu as the father like Servera learned the sword from Lon'qu instead of follow in her mother's foot steps and like Serveras eyes kinda loom like Lon'qu and just think they'd have a fun father daughter relationship 😅
I don't get why Robin Lucina is a rampant thing, or maybe I just don't want to. Marrying your friend's grown-up daughter is all kinds of screwed up. Marrying the children in Awakening and Fates in general just seems wrong.
I’m just here to piss people off by saying that Ike and Soren is a canon relationship lol The interesting thing is, it’s definitely the relationship that is not only the most popular for Ike, but also the one with the most weight to it, including the secret in game conversation at the end of Radiant Dawn, some sort of developers guide/art book iirc HEAVILY implies Ike and Soren. So yeah, these two too ahah! Other than that, Sigurd and Deirdre, Roy and Lilina, Mae and Boey are others that spring to mind. Oh, and obviously Alm and Celica!
That's under the assumption that Ike cares about relationships when he's too busy running the Greil Mercenary. Can't a brotherly bond exist between them? Why always lovers?
@@Fruitman1997 With Hector x Lyn, specifically. It's kinda funny. If you speak to people online, you would get the impression that Hector x Florina and Lyn x Rath are more popular. But if you look at things like the list of "most Ally Supports in FE Heroes", for example, you can see that Hector x Lyn is more popular. And for good reason. Hector x Lyn has the substance that both Hector x Florina and Lyn x Rath lack.
While Ninian and Eliwood aren't as hard mentioned in Heroes as Marth and Caeda, or other forced marriages like Alm and Celica or Sigurd and Deidure, its one of the most pushed technically optional pairings alongside Roy and Lilina and then Chrom and Robin. That imply those are author preferred, above even some canon ones like Julius and Ishtar though that one has an obvious dark dragon reason its pushed away from. And the last one is weird in how they honestly are more pushing it being with Male Robin, like the way they write it is the level only those who homophobically see friendship where Eros is written, in inverse of the saying, can deny the pushing of male other half. Which is very weird, both but especially Chrom are meant to have kids and are deeply loyal partners so no swinging. Like Female Robin moving from 2nd most Chrom pushed to most makes sense but they moved Robin from being pushed to become brother or son in law (this one especially from Lucina talking about killing Robin cutscene being strong push in game towards being mother or husband to her) to sonething that can't canonically happen and seems to based a lot on their support chain being more natural than F Robins. It seems to have taken over as main same sex pairing they show off compared to many others that are also pushed and are possible, Ike and Soren, Catherine and Shamir, other 3H ones and M/M or F/F avatar pairings and so forth. Those author pushed but not canon pairings are really even more interesting romance wise since they are based on quality of supports and fan reaction. Shows the relationship dynamics the series wants to be associated with. Even Kiran has it with some book heroes/heroines never getting more than token romance mention and others mentioned in numerous alts, though Kiran is also special in having the god and time mess canon daughter.
@Masterblader158 Fun fact with Chrom and MRobin once again you can blame the localization on that one. In Japan, their relationship is referred to as a brotherhood. In fact, a bit of fun characterization that didn't really make it into the West is that MRobin is that MRobin really wants a girlfriend, but he's awkward when approaching women, so Chrom tries to act as his wingman (but MRobin is a bit of a mess). Which is what Groom MRobin references in his talk lines. In fact, MRobin is a really awkward person who has a hard time speaking with strangers. This is also why Japan doesn't ship them. For comparisons sake, Chrom and FRobin have a very different relationship is very in Japan. As Chrom in his jp A support flat out admits to being attracted to her. Whenever Chrom or FRobin try to say that they are platonic, the general reaction is "press (X) to doubt." Japan never even pretends that they are platonic.
I suppose I'm the minority here but I really don't like Chrobin. I don't get why IS let us have a character who we can freely choose who to marry to, and then on the last third of the game, both Robin and Chrom forget about every person in the world and just can't stfu about each other, like..? Also the Robins in FEH just can't stfu about Chrom, like c'mon...
Neat video. Though i like the couple pairings listed on it, including the ones not mentioned like Eliwood × Ninian, I prefer Alm & Celica as my number one couple.
In regards to Elibe's couples, don't forget about Hector and Lyn. Like with Roy, there's no focus on Lilina's mother in Binding Blade. Not even in Supports. But yet, Intelligent Systems saw fit to push a canonical relationship for Hector, anyways, with said love interest being Lyn in his case. It's arguably not as pushed as Eliwood X Ninian is. But the hints are still present. Especially more cutscenes with each other than their prospect daughter gets with Roy. Even so, both, for the most part, are are still treated as options for each other, just like with Eliwood and Ninian.
I think they were just kind of throwing shit at the wall in 7. Lilina looking like Florina and even having a similar name, you'd think the story would point that way. No, it's the woman who looks like Sue.
@@zedwillbaws2280 Nah. If you're only looking at hair color, perhaps. But Lilina's face structure does look more like Lyn's than Florina's or Farina's. Even her bangs are similar to Lyn's.
@@LittleAl016 that is simply not true her bangs do not look like the ones from Lyn hell they don't even look like Farina's as well and as for facial I don't know where you got that but that's just not the case either and if we take their heroes art she still looks different then both but is closer to Farina
Lilina/Roy is more pushed because they want to retcon Lilina as a secondary lord because her father is a secondary lord but in FE6 the sole way for her to have some kind of plot revelancy is to marry Roy. Ninian screaming 10 time per chapter how much she loves Eliwood is an important part of her character but her backstory already make her important to the plot so they can rely on that instead.
I mean, the most obvious canon couple in FE6 and 7 is Zelot and Juno. FE7 definitely leans into the relationship between Eliwood and Ninian, but like you said, Eliwood's wife/Roy's mother (and Hector's wife/Lilina's mother, for that matter) are never specifically named, so it could really be any of the characters Eliwood has a paired romantic ending with. Lyn can technically marry either Hector or Eliwood, for that matter. (Though I've personally always felt it made the most sense for her to get together with Rath and become Sue's mom.)
@@Hailinel Hector x Lyn is pushed by FE7 to the point where they get extra scenes, an extra song, and even a general assumption that it had been already been made by the player in a conversation Lyn herself has with Eliwood. Also, Lyn and Rath didn't really have any chemistry. I.S. was just throwing things at the wall with that one.
@LittleAl016 This is going to be scorching hot take in a fandom that reveres him, but I don't really care about Hector all that much, and I've never really cared about who he pairs with or what scenes he has with Lyn (which in the end aren't any more definitive than Eliwood's scenes with Ninian).
I generally prefer the canon couples over the "pair any man and woman" mechanics of Awakening and Fates just because some of those pairings just don't make sense and it's clear they allowed to get married so that the players have another option for a child character's parents. Especially when those games same sex pairings can't S rank (aside from Niles and Rhajat in Fates). While I'm grateful for the push for more inclusive romance options for the avatar in 3H and Engage, I want really want characters that aren't just "avatar husbando/waifu candidate #234243".
@@Tslates92 Lyn and Eliwood has a lot against it. Not only is it somewhat in contention with the Ilian flower, it also kinda goes against the idea of Roy's mom being frail, and any prospects of Lyn and Eliwood marrying are outright ignored by the conversation Lyn and Eliwood themselves have during the Hector's Story Endgame. Plus, Blazing Blade pushes Eliwood x Ninian and Hector x Lyn, anyways.
You aren’t, the team just want someone to pair with Hector and the most obvious one is Lyn, who is also pair with Eilwood How do we fix it? Put something of similar scale in, which is a dragon
Honestly nameless villager is the one that make the most sense as Roy's mother. But honestly Roy being Ninian's son add some plot hole because Merlinus and Marcus who know that Ninian is a dragon never say anything to Roy. Not to mention that ending with Eliwood is actually an awful ending for Ninian.
@eleonorepb4565 You're seeing plot holes where there are none. Also, how is Ninian spending her last moments with the man she loves "awful"? If anything, that's the happiest ending for her.
@@justnoob8141 I always thought Florina makes more sense since that would explain some of Lilian's shyness and magical ability, as Pegasus Knights have a lot of Res growth. But, Hector route has a lot of good moments with Lyn so I think that's also a good candidate.
I wish there where more pairing options for the fe7 lords. I dont want to pair Ninian and Eliwood together because she won't live long in Elibe and I prefer Lyn's ending with Rath or Kent. Then the only options for Eliwood and Hector are the pegasus sisters, but then Roy and Lilina would be cousins
One of the other Awakening ships I like besides Chrom and Sumia is Olivia X Lon’qu, it makes sense narratively and fits with how Inigo is as a character
Huh. I found I liked Lon'qu x Cherche because that was the one support that actually explained Lon'qu's fear of women and helped him to heal. Then Gerome made perfect sense with Lon'qu as his father. Olivia is hard though. I ended up pairing her with Gaius in my game, but it's honestly not the best relationship even though there's definitely something funny to Gaius calling out their son for his philandering.
Sumia is such a lame wife for chrom. Their support is just her feeding him pies until he's like "well to thank you, lets get married" Female robin and chrom have so much more chemistry as a couple and at this point i think IS knows too their feh alts keep referencing each others even with male robin. A valentine's duo chrom and robin?? Thought you were sneaky feh? It also makes awakening's story much better: -if female robin isn't chrom's wife lucina actually hates her for being around her dad too much so her not wanting to kill her to save the world just make her look stupid -if male robin isn't married to lucina she doesn't want to kill him because he's friend with his dad which is still a little pathetic coming from her -when male robin marries lucina she actually have a good reason: being in love, but the implication of dating your best friend's daughter that you know as a baby just seems way too weird for my taste -and finally if female robin is lucina's mother she bust into tears not being able to kill her own mother even if it means saving the future, she got to create many great memories with her that killing her is simply impossible. And it makes the scene so powerfull and sad when with the other options it's either stupid, goofy or pathetic
All canon ones: Marth and Caeda. Julian and Lena. Merric and Elice. Nyna and Camus (Archanea Saga). Astram and Midia. Catria and Warren (formerly). Jake and Anna. Samson and Sheena. Abel and Est. Alm and Celica. Clive and Mathilda. Berkut and Rinea. Mae and Boey. Zeke and Tatiana. Gray and Clair. Sigurd and Deirdre. Quan and Ethlyn. Lewyn and Erinys. Julius and Ishtar. Liza and Ishtore. Altena and Arion. Osian and Tanya. Machyua and Brighton. Leif and Nanna. Selphina and Glade. Roy and Lilina. Juno and Zelot. Melady and Galle. Dorcas and Natalie. Matthew and Leila. Pent and Louise. Calill and Largo. Micaiah and Sothe. Kagero and Saizo (formerly). Implied, but unconfirmed: Phina and Navarre. Genny and Saber. Fred and Olwen. Half od FE6 cast. Not canon, but might as well be: Kris and Katarina. Azelle and Tailtiu. Lachesis and Beowolf. Brigid and Chulainn. Harken and Isadora. Hector and Florina. Eliwood and Ninian. Nino and Jaffar. Elincia and Geoffrey. Lucia and Bastian. Naesala and Leanne. Zihark and Ilyana. Nailah and Rafiel. Chrom and Sumia. Virion and Panne. Sully and Stahl. Lissa and Lon'qu.
Canon: Elincia X Geoffrey Implied but unconfirmed: Eliwood X Ninian Hector X Lyn Jaffar X Nino Not canon, but might as well be: Chrom X Olivia Lissa X Henry Severa X Tsubaki
It's personal perception. For some people their dynamic simple leans more into romance and for others it doesn't. It also happens for some canon couples, no matter if they are canon, some people just don't vibe with them lol For me for example, I see Ike more likely to be single forever, but his bond with Soren just have something that while close doesn't seem as brotherly as idk- Eliwood and Hector's so I kinda get why they're a popular ship. And that perception might be due to the friendships I've seen irl
@@loonaenjoyer7892the ship between them just felt forced for me. Like maybe not brotherly bond but at least in the sense of Soren seeing Ike as someone who is the closest thing to family and the rest of the Greil Mercenary. There hasn't been anything in the game to suggest they like each other compared to other games
there is A LOT in the games that show how meaningful and important they are to each other. their a support, the secret rd support (that's hard to get) they have an ending together! ike is the only person soren truly trusts and loves. i do think there is enough to be like, yeah, this is a romantic relationship. like i said earlier, if it was a woman ppl wouldn't deny the ship as much
I will always ship Ike and Elincia as well as Roy/Lilina/Guenivere. I also end up pairing Eliwood and Lyn as well as Hector with Florina. Also Lowen/Rebecca and Dart/Farina are my ultimate power couples.
Honestly, this is going to be controversial, but avatars should be made into their own characters and not self inserts, kinda like a Kiana Kaslana situation. You play as them but you’re not them. That way, we can still have main lord romances with another member of the cast, maybe a few smaller pairs, but still enough ambiguity in a majority of the cast to allow for multiple different paired endings. If I could rewrite the avatar system and make them into their own characters, here is how I would: Awakening would just feature Male Robin as Robin, Chrom would marry Sumia, and Robin marries Lucina, mainly for that extra emotional scene at the end of chapter 21 that really hits hard. Plus, the whole plot points get foreshadowed in dlc of all things, with Lucina mentioning that she hates how she would put her mission above her heart if the time came to that. It also foreshadows Robin’s return, as he (this is the married convo between Lucina and Robin) says that no matter what he will find a way back to her. Fates is where we see a spilt path for the first time. Easy enough as Male Corrin can be the lead for Birthright and Female Corrin for Conquest. Revelations is a bit tricky, but maybe Female since that version of Corrin is used more so in marketing Three Houses is another spilt path, but done totally different. Both Byleths get fair amount of equal treatment, with one being on the box art/promo for Hopes, while the other is in Engage. I’d honestly do it where each Byleth is featured in 2 paths, with my main choices being male for Edelgard and Claude’s routes, and female for Dimitri and Rhea’s routes. As for a potential romance, the house/route leader is obvious, especially since Claude should’ve been the same sex pair for the house leader (gives a nice balance. Male Byleth gets an exclusive, female Byleth gets an exclusive, and they can share one option) Hopes is easy, just do the box art. Male Shez and Female Byleth Finally Engage is also easy, do male as he is the one in the manga. But that’s just my two cents.
I miss the scripted romances. I didn't play Echoes but still they felt real from what I looked at if not soapish. But thanks to the gender optional MC, all that has to go and as a result the relationships are so artificial and depthless.
Disappointed yet not at all surprised that Ike/Soren, aka the franchise's very 1st & only confirmed queer couple - is excluded from this convo yet AGAIN. You all are actually DETERMINED to keep the homophobia alive & thriving within this community huh😮💨? It's whatever, but what ticks me off more about this situation are the annoying times when you lot have the audacity to try to accuse queer fans & shippers as being "queerwashers" or whatever the heck you call it..just bc we engage with in headcanon queer shipping..& yet most of you constantly try to give Ike/Soren the Achilles/Patroclus treatment: censor, deny, & then bury. Apparently that doesn't count as heterowashing somehow??
This video was never meant to be an extensive list or anything, just a random assortment of interesting relationships that could be covered in shorter segments. I think Ike/Soren is a very interesting couple, but there is way too much to their story to be featured in a grab bag video like this one. You could easily fill up an entire video as long as this one talking about Ike and Soren, so it didn't feel right to put them in this vid as merely a section, that'd be a disservice to the place they (potentially) hold in the Fire Emblem series and community
I don't care either way but if the tellius remake gives Ike a girl pairing or clarifies he's not gay, it would be really funny. 😂 If they make the soren pair canon then that's fine too since people like you will hopefully finally STFU.
In Three Hopes given that it didn't have paired ending did more firmly imply or straight up say attractions characters had in the game like Monica being in love with Edelgard, Constance and Hapi, Manuela being into Shez, etc but it avoided making any relationship canon even if some of the people do have these canon attractions that are fairly clear.
Since he mentioned his dragon damsel in distress fantasy he could have mentionned any non canon pairing from Fodlan, Rhea/Byleth ; Edelgard/Byleth ; Dorothea/Ferdinand to me seem more "pushed" than Eliwood and the blue damsel in distress. But the 3 houses fanbase don't have any canon pairing inquisition and it seem that the purpose of this youtube channel isn't to say interesting new things but simply to repeat what is popular to say so that the people are happy to hear their popular opinion and applaud him.
I always thought Sumia was marketed to be Chrom's 'canon' pairing as a nod to Marth and Caeda from FE1. Awakening is full of easter eggs and references to the older games. One of my favorites is actually how Cordelia not being able to support with Chrom is a reference to another Pegasus Knight, Catria, who held unrequited love for Marth
@@dougdoug2469 Chrom X Sumia lacked much of the nuances that made Marth x Caeda, and to a lesser extent Roy x Lilina and Ephraim x Tana, successful. And it also creates problems with Cynthia.
@@LittleAl016 didn't Marth X Caeda got most of their stuff AFTER their game to really flesh them out like 2 remakes a 2 games supplement materials and the likes? Can't comment on Roy x Lilina since I haven't played Biding Blade and as for Ephraim X Tana while it's my preferred options I think him with L'Arachel might his more popular options and the game honestly doesn't really favor either of them anyways so Ephraim doesn't have a canon lover hell even heroes doesn't really mention anything about Tana or L'Arachel's for Ephraim so that just doesn't work here. As for Cynthia we already talked enough about it 😅 all and all Chrom and Sumia really just are victims of the fact that you can marry them yourself and how marriage work in awakening in general with the future kids.
Doesn't help that the cutscene which introduces Sumia in Awakening, rescuing Chrom, is called "Lovebirds" in both the NA release and original Japanese.
@@LittleAl016 I feel like Robin x Sumia is better than Chrom x Sumia. Mainly because their support conversation is one of the better ones since Robin and Sumia bonded over common interests like reading, which sort of how most relationships start.
@@samflood5631I'm more of a Frederick x Sumia guy, myself.
Mae and Boey is on of my favorite canon relationships, their support dialogue is very fun to watch.
Epitome of an old arguing couple❤
@Accountthatexists Not that those don't exist in Fire Emblem, already.
No mention of Sigurd and Deirdre 😢
True no Pent and Louise either, nor Tatiana and Zeke
@@5h3nn0ngDo you mean Tatiana? Unless Camus somehow made it into another FE game without my knowledge.
@@sizzle5775 yup. Spelling error
And no mention of Hardin and Nyna... Wait.
or Calill & Largo for that matter
6:49 Technically Heroes does mention their relationship, with Nils’s Forging Bonds conversation being about his concern with Ninian’s love for Eliwood resulting in her staying behind and not living very long afterwards
But it's like: not living much by human standards or by manakete standards?
@justinmoreno390 I suppose, since she's not around in fe6, i'd say by human standards.
@justinmoreno390 By Manakete standards.
@@Aurirang 20 years is a lot of time, by human standards.
Doesn’t one of Eliwood’s alts also have a weapon called “Nini’s Ice Lance” ?
What I like about Chrom and Olivia is that Inigo is the only future child who has the mark of the Exalt in the opposite eye as Lucina and in Fates he mentions the mark and that Lucina has it on her eye while Xander wonders and asks how this affect their sight. And he answers that he never asked about this
The funny thing about Olivia is that both her and Robin are love at first sight, Sumia, on the other hand, is someone in his team
she couldn’t even qualify for childhood friend and the top pick is his first AND last recruit that he just saw and go “yeah, I clap that” with no hesitation
I like to think when berkute is dying, no one els can see rinea. And this is a “ghost” of sorts that he made up with the joint memories of his past with her, so he can enter the afterlife more peacefully.
I feel like Eliwood and Ninian not being heavily pushed by IS as canon, might be a results of it’s problematic implications for Roy. Ninian being Roy’s mother makes him part dragon, which is a very invasive change to Roy and one that Binding Blade cannot reflect or explain in any way due to Blazing Blade coming after it.
Roy being part-dragon is one of those things that actually makes FE6's plot way more interesting, but feels like something that would come up in FE6 if he was, so it's in a weird place.
Roy being half-dragon feels like it'd be an existential nightmare for Roy.
I think you have a valid point, but I don’t think it’s as problematic as you think.
Ninian is a weaker dragon, more so if she stays with Eliwood in Elibe, plus she’s a half dragon too so the powers Roy could* inherit would be even weaker, and potentially dormant in him.
I say could, because biological there is the chance that Roy just wouldn’t inherit the dragon powers genetically.
@@neog8029 no, Ninian is closer to Fae than the War Dragons. She also uses a dragonstone to transform and Roy doesn’t even really hate Idunn because she was forced to make war dragons and spares her if he defeats her with the binding blade.
@@neog8029Roy doesn't hate dragons, in fact he sympathizes with Idunn's plight
Sumia's role in Awakening is really interesting to look at in hindsight. IS wasn't just banking on her being the canon choice for Chrom--she was meant to be THE pegasus knight of the game and one of its major characters. Not only is she right next to Chrom on the game's boxart, there's special art of her and Lissa that was used for promotions, and not every character got one of those. She's also one of the few units to stay in the main story after her introduction: she has a special illustration with a pegasus and then there's the scene where she slaps Chrom after he loses his confidence. Clearly, she was a favorite of the development team. However, Cordelia became the fan favorite instead and Sumia was pushed to the side. Not only did Cordelia get to be in Warriors, Sumia wasn't added to Heroes until YEARS in, while Cordelia was there day 1 and has received multiple alts since. Still, Sumia can rest easy knowing she is very clearly meant to be Chrom's canon choice. That's the one win she has.
I.S. has pretty much walked back on her being "Chrom's canon wife". There isn't much depth to her Supports with Chrom, either.
@@LittleAl016 well that’s because the translator made too jokes in their support compared to JP support
@@Skölly-b6h Even without the localization changes, there wasn't much substance.
@@LittleAl016i agree, now IS seems to be all for chrom and robin being canon, they put them together every chance they have
She doesn't even have the canon choice anymore; Chrom is pushed with Robin in everything now because it's the most popular ship.
I think the most random canonical relationship is est and abel. It’s so random because character interactions for non plot important characters are practically nonexistent in the archanea games, yet these two unrelated characters are husband and wife, with shadow dragon’s ending having the two getting married. In new mystery, Abel’s only other support conversation aside from Kris is with est, he doesn’t even have one with cain and cain himself doesn’t even have any other support conversations aside from with kris(something which everyone has). They don’t even get a happy ending as in new mystery, her ending has her straight up go missing with abel himself goes missing looking for her. It’s also strange because unlike alot of the other relationships in new mystery like merric and elice or julian and Lena, their romance is completely on the side of everything. What makes this already strange romance even weirder is that Palla also has a crush on Abel, her death quote in shadows of valentia is “Forgive me, Abel… it doesn’t look like I’ll be returning home…”. I just find it so strange that they gave Abel such a detailed love life while Cain has nothing to work with.
Cain is on that sigma grindset
Emphasis on "canon". Because there's a lot of non-canon couples that are more random. (Looking at you, Hector x Florina.)
I 100% agree with the Clive/Mathilda part they are my favourite sov characters by far. I hope in the future IS makes more canon couples and doesnt just rely on player's choice especially if the avatar is the only one able to have a relationship (like engage)
Ninian just can't shut up about Eliwood from my end, having started playing Heroes
@@toony1232 And people hate Monica and Faye. All they needed was to be rewarded for their obsession and they would have been popular characters.
3:20 that's probably because Rinea didn't existed in the original script, where Berkut and Fernand joined Alm after their battle at the start of act 4, which is why she feels tacked onto this story.
Berkut didn't exist either in gaiden
Fernand didn't exist either.
Clive straight up getting talked into still trusting as leader Alm despite getting his wife killed if you let it happen
The Kaga games were a little weird about this, since it feels like most of the Jugdral relationships were closely familial. My least favorite was Arion and Altena. They were raised as siblings, they didn't know they were unrelated until the moment Altena's recruited. While they don't end up together due to the whole Gae Bulg curse deal, it still felt super uncomfortable for them to be into each other this whole time. In Thracia they introduced Linoan, Arion's fiancee...but still have their romance doomed because Arion is in love with Altena, while Linoan is in love with Arion's knight, Dean. Maybe it was intentional to show just how unlikely it was that Arion and Linoan's relationship would have worked out, but...come on, do you HAVE to be more in-love with your technically-not-blood-related sister over your actual fiancee? Arion and Altena aren't completely unrelated either, since their ancestors were blood-siblings
While the plot of Jugdral is very tragic end focused so some kind of taboo relationship fits Kaga really liked it being familial over only having the one big tragic one be familial because it makes a vessel for evil and make other tragic ones be less weird, class difference, houses or nations opposed, political vs love and such.
@@Masterblader158 it was never about taboo relationship. That is just Japan in general. There are tons of sibling weird relationships dynamics in their media. Just a perverted view of many japanese storytellers.
Some of them. However, we get Quan & Ethlin and Sigurd & Deirdre in the first two chapters, and the only optional romance between close relatives is with Shanan and Larcei IIRC. Arion and Altenna are actually the exception in being smart enough to not get involved.
Chrom X Sumia was pretty much a big screw up that the developers pretty much realized was a screw up after Awakening was released. Not only did it not reach the top 10 most popular Awakening couples, outright beat out by Chrom X Olivia, which is itself beat out by Chrom X Robin in terms of Chrom's couples, there's a lot of things about Chrom X Sumia that don't make much sense. Namely, Cynthia, who seems to be rendered into coming across like she was dropped on her head too many times as an infant in her own Paralogue.
if intsys wanted chrom and sumia to be popular and canon why on earth did they make sumia so lame, nothing is really wrong with her personality but she has something like 1/3rd the supports of the other characters. Yknow supports where most of awakening's character development comes from. And then theres cynthia, again nothing really wrong with her but shes not really...... cool. shes one of the lamer kids imo.
@lorewalkercho7291 It would have helped if Cynthia didn't think that a random bandit was Chrom.
@@lorewalkercho7291 Doesn't help, that her support convo with Chrom is basically; hi, i like animals and baking! Let's fall in love over pie!
Considering Sumia is a klutz, it makes sense that it seems Cynthia was dropped on her head as an infant...
@crocworks Still. Making her Chrom's daughter just doesn't feel right.
Remember that one IGN review that complained about not being able to marry Celica and Saber
Oh boy I remember it.
Wait what? I need to see that lmao
To add onto the Clive and matilda, allowing matilda to die has Clive explode at alm after the battle, yelling at him and basically almost suggesting that he isn’t fit to lead the Deliverance before like recalibrating. I think this sharp break in character I think is a really cool example of their canon romance, it feels really real in that moment and you as alm feel unbelievably bad
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Roy and Lilina actually are straight up the canon ending in Hasha no Tsurugi. I honestly hope with remake of FE6 and 7 they just make it official because honestly I'm tired of the lack of proper canon relationships just for the sake of allowing the Avatar to marry people/allowing people to play matchmaker, especially when unlike in Geneology, Awakening and Fates there's not mechanical utility to doing so.
The writer of that manga (Hiroshi Izawa) making them official in their story isn’t a “canon in the books so must be canon to the games”…it’s more a “Oh they ship this? Nice.” as the mangas aren’t canon so the writers have more freedom to what they want also Izawa wasn’t involved in development or a writer of FE6 so take it with a grain of salt.
(FE4 has two mangas that confirm different ships like Oosawa made Lex/Ayra canon in their story while Fujimori instead went for Chulainn/Ayra
While I love Roy/Lilina, I can only see them only being more pushy towards it to encourage the player to pair them up or more moments between them in the main story due to the popular of ship in the east and her father being a fan favourite but not fully committed to it to not upset players who don’t like it.
@@anotherprofessional I know the manga isn't canon. I was just bringing it up.
@@anotherprofessional Also worth noting: The writer(s) of the Elibe Disturbance novels have no involvement with Binding Blade or Blazing Blade, and ship Hector X Florina, and Lyn X Rath.
@@CometX-ing No worries
To bad that they forgot to put some substance in the relationship between Lilina and Roy, the sole developpement is : Lilina is madly in love with him, she became super dependant on him and then he somehow (outside supports) return her feelings for no reason. You can even imagine that Roy don't love her and only agree to marry Lilina because he promised Hector to protect her. Like it if you want but imposing it to all the players wouldn't be a good idea. It's like if they remade the first pokemon game and force you to take charizard everytime because it's the most popular one.
I always pair Chrom and Olivia bc Inigo is the only child character who gets the mark on his eye just like Lucina. Robin also feels pretty canon too
Sumía is a nothing burger, I can understand why she gets ignored
There's a couple of other fandoms out there that are attracted to nothing burgers.
Honestly, I prefer Sumia with Henry. Their combined quirkiness really suit each other well, then also explain a lot about Cynthia.
@marykateharmon I would do the same if Owain and his daughter weren't Dark Mages in Fates. Nowadays, Frederick's my go-to pairing for Sumia.
@@LittleAl016 Fredrick's my go to pairing for Lissa.
@@marykateharmon My go to for Lissa is Henry.
It’s so funny how with chrom and sumia being semi canon, you’d assume the localization team would try really hard to not mess up their supports but somehow they butchered their chrom and sumia support in a similar way to saizo and beruka. To some extent their support is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine as chrom is the kind of dolt who would marry someone because they bake good pies(the man literally eats oranges with the peel on, there’s nothing he won’t do) but I still wouldn’t call it good. Given that it’s supposed to be the canon couple, it’s kind of baffling that instead of any kind of budding romance or emotional development of any kind, chrom instead marries someone for knowing how to bake pies when he’s the literal king of Ylisse, he could definitely find a good baker of pies without having to marry someone. It’s such a bizarre change, though it still isn’t the absolute worst change in the awakening localization, that’d be making Walhart and abusive dad to morgan for some reason when he isn’t one in the Japanese version.
Even in the Japanese version, Chrom's and Sumia's Supports don't have much substance to them.
@@LittleAl016 why are you so adamant about downplaying chrom and Sumia
@@Skölly-b6h I'm not. Pointing out facts isn't "downplaying".
@@LittleAl016 well that’s just your opinion
@@Skölly-b6h Not really.
I kinda prefer to see characters with canonical pairings. I personally barely ever engage in the match making mechanics that are so prominent in the recent games. Having to make every character flexible enough to romance every other character or even the self insert character makes them weaker written characters overall, imo.
Agreed, didn’t like that as much in 3 houses. Felt like the feelings were kinda half baked if they could be with anyone
second that.
Est and Abel, Mae and Boey, Deirdre and Sigurd... there's a lot of potential for a sequel video
I feel like even if they did make Marth romanceable, it would be really weird. And I'm a massive Marth fangirl who wouldn't think twice about marrying him. We've seen him with Caeda so many times, and it's a really cute relationship. It would be weird for him to stray away from that, almost hurt his character a bit
I would absolutely steal caeda from him if that were possible with an avatar character
Wtf where are all the couples from Tellius??!!!
Right ?! 😭
I mean isn't the only truly Canon couple largo and calil which is not that important to begin with. The other are just strongly implied but nothing more,but maybe I'm forgetting someone
@ I mean honestly I’d count most of them as canon seeing how there is only one parter available unlike the outcome of most other games and characters…Like Mist either ends up with Boyd or ends up alone same with Elincia and Geoffrey or Jill and Haar etc.…almost all the relationships in the game are a binary of either these two characters end up together or they die single and almost all of them are romantic hence the popular Ike and Sothe theory (which though I support am not counting in the group that should be here)
@JordiCalcos i mean yeah thats a good argument but I those always felt so strange of combination that I never actually counted them and they are never mentioned anywhere else, like haar and Jill is strange,my man haar is like a father to Jill and boid is maring his brother best friend and the sister of his captain. But I guess that they can be considered canon
Sorry if I used improper language anywhere,English is not my first language
10:49 the amount of people I see that don't realise this is insane, I've even seen a person say that the Clive dead ending is better for her.
If that's the kind of outlook someone has on some fictional character's personal story I shudder to imagine what kind of warped perception they have of the world.
They want her to be Deen while they can have Sonia
@justnoob8141 Beautiful analogy.
@@justnoob8141why would i want a 36th mage that gets slowed by swamps when i could have a broken dread fighter that doesn't get slowed by anything, tank enemy mages and one tap crit everything in his path?
It's genuinely so funny how male Robin and Chrom have been shipped more and more recently. Whether it's on purpose or not, them ALWAYS being together is really funny, yet also incredibly wholesome.
Not really, it's sad really that a close male relationship simply can't be seen as a solid, brotherly friendship anymore. Modern people HAVE to make any relationship be romantic/sexual.
...also my preferred ship is Robin/Lissa which makes them literal brothers so I'm a bit biased lol. But my point still stands.
@@DrakonPhD Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I can go either way on their relationship personally. And more often than not, I do prefer the brotherly type of bond that 2 men can have, like Jayce and Viktor in Arcane for example. I guess the point I was trying to make was that it's funny how more mainstream and commonly talked about their relationship has been becoming recently :D
My favourite ship was Robin x Olivia but that's just because I really like Olivia, so I totally get your bias c:
@@DrakonPhD I mean, shipping doesn't care about gender. People have been shipping together characters that share any type of bond for decades now. Like, I'm pretty sure literally any two characters that have a support chain together will have a group of shippers writing fanfic on that. For.. better or worse.
@@DrakonPhD god forbid people ship two very close male characters (it has been happening for years)
@@DrakonPhD It's weird how this is only an argument regarding two men and never a man and a woman. It's always 'they have a brotherly bond!' but Robin and Chrom interact with any woman, and it has to be romantic, nobody is going to argue about how it's better off as a platonic friendship bond. Besides, Heroes even gave a small nod you cannot cope away to M!Chrobin lol, just look at that Day of Devotion alt.
You can not like them as a pairing, but no need to excuse it with this 'better off as a brotherly bond!' thing, gay men can and do exist and are even more prevalent in FE nowadays with Leon, Yuri, Linhardt, and several of the Engage men state romantic love for M!Alear in their S-supports.
I thought it would be interesting to talk about leif and nanna and how she is and isnt his canon wife depending on if you play Thracia or Genealogy
Also Sigurd and Deirdre being so canon their relationship is actually a plot point
I also think that Ike and Soren are at pretty much the same level of canon as Eliwood and Ninian (heavily hinted through their game but the main characters have the posibility to have a paired ending with other people, while their "canon lover" only has them as a paired ending option, if you do pair them up together the story makes much more sense and is more emotionally appealing giving the impression this is the "right ending") but they are never acknowledged as such because "why cant two guys just be friends"
Anyways, its so weird to me how Sacred Stones is the only one with no "canon" pairings for the lords out of the pre-dating sim era, like sure they can have a lover, but they are never encouraged throughout the game?? was that supposed to be lyon? I guess SS is just not that kind of game, focusing on friendship instead
What are your thoughts on pent and louise
Ever since I started the FE series with Awakening, is it weird that I felt like if Robin is male, the game pushes you to pair Chrom with Sumia; but if Robin is female, the game pushes you to pair Chrom with Robin?
I’m pretty sure the game has chrom auto s rank sumia if he has equal supports with multiple female characters, with F Robin as a close second
@@yoshidoor5229I thought if you don’t give Chrom any S rank then he marries a random villager maiden?
@@DSeditor22only if he has no support points with any other girl
@@yoshidoor5229 Robin is actually 4th on the priority list, only ahead of Olivia. The wiki says that the order is Sumia, Sully, Maribelle, F Robin, then Olivia.
@@TheDestroyer229 my bad you right, I saw the details like years ago
I love Mathilda and Clive together, They're so dramatic and cheesy.
I've never had a good Clive before, but she's always there to rescue him like the gallant Valkyrie she is.
I'm in the Army and what you said about retirement and grief when you lose your partner is spot on. Most of us have been through something like that.
I see no one mentioning Naesala and Leanne, I think they're very cute together
Came for Sigurd and Deirdre.
No mention of Sigurd and Deirdre.
Canon couples will always be superior.
Yes Parne and Laura are a masterpiece of writting while Dimitri and Marianne are awful.
I miss canon relationships. I wish more was done with it in newer games. Like abilities that activate when near their spouse.
No mention of Merric and Elice, Midia and Astram, Ishtore and Liza hell not even Sigurd and Deirdre
I believe the whole Sumia ordeal was an attempt to make a canon but not obligatory couple that ultimately failed for IS. Olivia was a lot more weight in her supports, is way more popular and Inigo inheriting the Brand as a mirror image of Lucina's and he being able to wield the Falchion is just the final nail on the coffin.
I mean Olivia is a more interesting character. Though for me I feel her support with Henry, with Henry fathering Indigo is way better.
One relationship that's technically canon but also completely optional is Lewyn and Erinys. We know this for a fact because Ced, the son of Erinys, wields the holy Wind tome, Forseti, in Thracia 776 and eventually Heroes.
Nanna x leif is curious too, they are canon in thracia but in genealogy is just one of the possible couples
@@nestormartinez3216 It's because Thracia take place in a timeline that isn't necessery the one of FE4.
Another one i think about a lot that isn't even that new is Lewyn, his widely accepted canon relationship is Erinys since in all posterior content places Ced as the inheritor of Forsetti but they just refuse to say it out loud
I wish FEH would let some of the alts have explicit relationships. If we're getting 8 Chroms, they may as well let each have a different wife, or at least do that for the kids' alts.
I'm not ready for a chrom alt boasting about his love for sully 🤢
MarthxCaeda > MarioxPeach
Well it help that they show mutual attraction.
Im glad im not the only one who sees Olivia as canon for Chrom theres just too much evidence. Sure Sumia has the intro, but Olivia has the types of love portrait shes featured in in warriors along with tharja/robin which is obsessive love, and lissa/owain which is parent and child. Not only that how their children act shows a lot i say. Obviously each of chroms kids were planned to have the mark of the exalt shown in their crits. Inigo is the only one who out right mentions it. Not to mention Cynthia not know what her own father looks like if its Chrom? Her recruitment chapter has her fighting for a fake Chrom which doesnt make sense as if anything there would be some sort of picture of chrom. We see lucina at the castle so there would of been a portrait of him so it makes no sense that cynthia which going by lucinas age during that scene where grima appears in the future that cynthia wouldnt be old enough to know what her father looked like. So the fact they messed that up for the 'canon' couple sucks.
Adding in as i had to hurry inside of work during previous comment. Inigo being Chroms son makes sense. He has been compared to Lucina his entire life it sounds like which makes sense only if hes the child of another noble or a close retainer (virion, robin or frederick) sure hes the adopted grandson of basilio so that counts to. But it also only works if hes the sibling to Lucina, because im sure modt younger siblings or older siblings can attest to feeling inferior at points when constanly compared to their sibling. So his sibling support with lucina also makes sense as its trying to make sure Inigo can use the falchion which is a lot of pressure on a guy whose already under a lot of pressure being compared to their sibling.
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!!!!!
Nah, Olivia with Henry
@@jjmara01 No.
No mention of FE4 seems a strange omission since that is the one old game that has multiple canon couples, several near canon couples, and some freely pairable units.
Subaki and Serena in FE14 are a canon couple as well as Odin and Elise, and Azure and Felicia if ya read between the lines. There is no getting around all of that at all.
Chrobin should be canon, not only Lucina travelling back in time to kill her mother who killed her husband in the future is insane, but Lucina would also have both Naga's and Grima's blood. I also think that for a game based on people's bonds a familiar and love bond as a nucleus would be the most impactful and beautiful narrative wise. Chrom and Robin are called each other's "other half" even.
That cut scene with Lucina when Robin is her mother is not only one of the best things I've seen in all of Fire Emblem, but also brought the emotional impact of Awakenings narrative to a whole to level
3:20
i disagree sometimes characters dont need insane depth to be good or rather, them not being super in-depth helps another already well written character be even more fleshed out.
I’d argue that somehow in their desire to avoid confirming Chrom’s wife they’ve accidentally made him and male Robin a couple. Like these 🚬 are insepersble
R.I.P. Lucina and the future then.
@@bradford9086 ur just not thinking hard enough if u think them being gay will prevent them from having children
@@bradford9086we have magic, dragons, people that turn into beast and pocket dimensions to make childrens grow 18 in 10 days. I'm sure they'll have a way to either get a man pregnant or use some magic to make a baby pop from thin air using a DNA sample
@@SmashJewels but it would though
Poor sumia. She never had a chance once the female avatar was able to s support chrom. Between the game mechanic of pairing chrom with his highest support if hes not married by the midway point and just how much there is focusing on their bond, Chrobin feels more like the pseudo-canon relationship than whatever sumia and chroms cute couple ship name would be.
Tbh, I like Robin relationships better not with Chrom.
I am not surprised that Marth and Caeda remain canon. There is no game where Marth is a romance option for the player. They are the first couple so I understand them getting special treatment. I will agree that it is weird that Eliwood and Ninian is not treated as canon. I have my own theory. If Nintendo ever remakes FE7, then they would want to expand the tactician's(player charecter's) role. The tactician will be a playable unit with supports. Most likely, Eliwood will be a romance option for female tacticians. It would be awkward if they establish Ninian as canon then backtracked.
Flora & Jakob
Kongero & Saizo
were in a relationship
For M Robin Thjara or Lucina
F Robin Chrom I kinda see the closest to being the canon couple for a character what can be with anyone.
Personal favorite couple is Lon'qu and Cordelia in Awakening they just fit so well even with Lon'qu as the father like Servera learned the sword from Lon'qu instead of follow in her mother's foot steps and like Serveras eyes kinda loom like Lon'qu and just think they'd have a fun father daughter relationship 😅
I don't get why Robin Lucina is a rampant thing, or maybe I just don't want to. Marrying your friend's grown-up daughter is all kinds of screwed up. Marrying the children in Awakening and Fates in general just seems wrong.
@@ryanadler8227 And this is why I ship M Robin with either Sumia or Cordelia, and F Robin with either Gaius or Lon'qu.
@ Yeah Cordelia always seemed the best to me. I hear ya
Dude didn’t mention the best relationship in shadows of Valentina, Leon and Valbar. Lol
...but that's literally not a relationship though. Valbar is married.
@@PatrickInTheBox It's because this ship don't have any submisive woman so he doesn't like it
I’m just here to piss people off by saying that Ike and Soren is a canon relationship lol
The interesting thing is, it’s definitely the relationship that is not only the most popular for Ike, but also the one with the most weight to it, including the secret in game conversation at the end of Radiant Dawn, some sort of developers guide/art book iirc HEAVILY implies Ike and Soren.
So yeah, these two too ahah!
Other than that, Sigurd and Deirdre, Roy and Lilina, Mae and Boey are others that spring to mind. Oh, and obviously Alm and Celica!
Sorry, but too much subtext to be canon. I prefer my queer characters to be a little bit more "in your face", like leon or heather.
You mean Sigurd and Deirdre, not Seliph.
Deirdre is Seliph's mom...
👁👄👁
This all operates on the assumption that Ike has to have a love interest, which he doesn't.
That's under the assumption that Ike cares about relationships when he's too busy running the Greil Mercenary. Can't a brotherly bond exist between them? Why always lovers?
@@Fruitman1997 With Hector x Lyn, specifically. It's kinda funny. If you speak to people online, you would get the impression that Hector x Florina and Lyn x Rath are more popular. But if you look at things like the list of "most Ally Supports in FE Heroes", for example, you can see that Hector x Lyn is more popular. And for good reason. Hector x Lyn has the substance that both Hector x Florina and Lyn x Rath lack.
Good vidoe bro 😊
While Ninian and Eliwood aren't as hard mentioned in Heroes as Marth and Caeda, or other forced marriages like Alm and Celica or Sigurd and Deidure, its one of the most pushed technically optional pairings alongside Roy and Lilina and then Chrom and Robin. That imply those are author preferred, above even some canon ones like Julius and Ishtar though that one has an obvious dark dragon reason its pushed away from.
And the last one is weird in how they honestly are more pushing it being with Male Robin, like the way they write it is the level only those who homophobically see friendship where Eros is written, in inverse of the saying, can deny the pushing of male other half. Which is very weird, both but especially Chrom are meant to have kids and are deeply loyal partners so no swinging. Like Female Robin moving from 2nd most Chrom pushed to most makes sense but they moved Robin from being pushed to become brother or son in law (this one especially from Lucina talking about killing Robin cutscene being strong push in game towards being mother or husband to her) to sonething that can't canonically happen and seems to based a lot on their support chain being more natural than F Robins. It seems to have taken over as main same sex pairing they show off compared to many others that are also pushed and are possible, Ike and Soren, Catherine and Shamir, other 3H ones and M/M or F/F avatar pairings and so forth.
Those author pushed but not canon pairings are really even more interesting romance wise since they are based on quality of supports and fan reaction. Shows the relationship dynamics the series wants to be associated with. Even Kiran has it with some book heroes/heroines never getting more than token romance mention and others mentioned in numerous alts, though Kiran is also special in having the god and time mess canon daughter.
@Masterblader158 Fun fact with Chrom and MRobin once again you can blame the localization on that one. In Japan, their relationship is referred to as a brotherhood. In fact, a bit of fun characterization that didn't really make it into the West is that MRobin is that MRobin really wants a girlfriend, but he's awkward when approaching women, so Chrom tries to act as his wingman (but MRobin is a bit of a mess). Which is what Groom MRobin references in his talk lines. In fact, MRobin is a really awkward person who has a hard time speaking with strangers. This is also why Japan doesn't ship them.
For comparisons sake, Chrom and FRobin have a very different relationship is very in Japan. As Chrom in his jp A support flat out admits to being attracted to her. Whenever Chrom or FRobin try to say that they are platonic, the general reaction is "press (X) to doubt." Japan never even pretends that they are platonic.
Is the lords dating/loving each other in Sacred Stones A) canon and B) does it count?
Alfonse/Lif X Veronica/Thrasir.😅🥵
I suppose I'm the minority here but I really don't like Chrobin. I don't get why IS let us have a character who we can freely choose who to marry to, and then on the last third of the game, both Robin and Chrom forget about every person in the world and just can't stfu about each other, like..?
Also the Robins in FEH just can't stfu about Chrom, like c'mon...
8:35 No! I refused i wont let anyone (including chrom) will marry Olivia!
EVER!
what about clair and gray?
I should've been able to marry Gregor as a guy dannit
Neat video. Though i like the couple pairings listed on it, including the ones not mentioned like Eliwood × Ninian, I prefer Alm & Celica as my number one couple.
George Grant got to voice two characters with canon love interests.
And they are on opposite extremes of power scaling.
Jaffar and Nino?
Implied, like Eliwood x Ninian and Hector x Lyn.
In regards to Elibe's couples, don't forget about Hector and Lyn. Like with Roy, there's no focus on Lilina's mother in Binding Blade. Not even in Supports. But yet, Intelligent Systems saw fit to push a canonical relationship for Hector, anyways, with said love interest being Lyn in his case. It's arguably not as pushed as Eliwood X Ninian is. But the hints are still present. Especially more cutscenes with each other than their prospect daughter gets with Roy. Even so, both, for the most part, are are still treated as options for each other, just like with Eliwood and Ninian.
I think they were just kind of throwing shit at the wall in 7. Lilina looking like Florina and even having a similar name, you'd think the story would point that way. No, it's the woman who looks like Sue.
@RobtheStampede Except Lilina looks nothing like Florina. She looks like Lyn. And there's nobody besides Rath who resembles Sue in Blazing Blade.
@@LittleAl016 Actually Lilina looks more like Farina then either Lyn or Florina...
@@zedwillbaws2280 Nah. If you're only looking at hair color, perhaps. But Lilina's face structure does look more like Lyn's than Florina's or Farina's. Even her bangs are similar to Lyn's.
@@LittleAl016 that is simply not true her bangs do not look like the ones from Lyn hell they don't even look like Farina's as well and as for facial I don't know where you got that but that's just not the case either and if we take their heroes art she still looks different then both but is closer to Farina
What about Sigurd and Deirdre? Or Micaiah and Sothe?
The greatest canon ending is when we stop pronouncing Mathilda as muh-thil-da
Where's Pent and Louise
melady and galle are my fav even though there isnt much material of those two. Galle's voice line in feh says it all tho :,)
Lilina/Roy is more pushed because they want to retcon Lilina as a secondary lord because her father is a secondary lord but in FE6 the sole way for her to have some kind of plot revelancy is to marry Roy. Ninian screaming 10 time per chapter how much she loves Eliwood is an important part of her character but her backstory already make her important to the plot so they can rely on that instead.
I mean, the most obvious canon couple in FE6 and 7 is Zelot and Juno. FE7 definitely leans into the relationship between Eliwood and Ninian, but like you said, Eliwood's wife/Roy's mother (and Hector's wife/Lilina's mother, for that matter) are never specifically named, so it could really be any of the characters Eliwood has a paired romantic ending with. Lyn can technically marry either Hector or Eliwood, for that matter. (Though I've personally always felt it made the most sense for her to get together with Rath and become Sue's mom.)
@@Hailinel Hector x Lyn is pushed by FE7 to the point where they get extra scenes, an extra song, and even a general assumption that it had been already been made by the player in a conversation Lyn herself has with Eliwood.
Also, Lyn and Rath didn't really have any chemistry. I.S. was just throwing things at the wall with that one.
@LittleAl016 This is going to be scorching hot take in a fandom that reveres him, but I don't really care about Hector all that much, and I've never really cared about who he pairs with or what scenes he has with Lyn (which in the end aren't any more definitive than Eliwood's scenes with Ninian).
I generally prefer the canon couples over the "pair any man and woman" mechanics of Awakening and Fates just because some of those pairings just don't make sense and it's clear they allowed to get married so that the players have another option for a child character's parents. Especially when those games same sex pairings can't S rank (aside from Niles and Rhajat in Fates). While I'm grateful for the push for more inclusive romance options for the avatar in 3H and Engage, I want really want characters that aren't just "avatar husbando/waifu candidate #234243".
That’s… with 4th game is about though
Wait Ninian and Eliwood? Huh, I always thought it was Lyn and Eliwood. I'm not the only one, right?
@@Tslates92 Lyn and Eliwood has a lot against it. Not only is it somewhat in contention with the Ilian flower, it also kinda goes against the idea of Roy's mom being frail, and any prospects of Lyn and Eliwood marrying are outright ignored by the conversation Lyn and Eliwood themselves have during the Hector's Story Endgame. Plus, Blazing Blade pushes Eliwood x Ninian and Hector x Lyn, anyways.
You aren’t, the team just want someone to pair with Hector and the most obvious one is Lyn, who is also pair with Eilwood
How do we fix it? Put something of similar scale in, which is a dragon
Honestly nameless villager is the one that make the most sense as Roy's mother. But honestly Roy being Ninian's son add some plot hole because Merlinus and Marcus who know that Ninian is a dragon never say anything to Roy. Not to mention that ending with Eliwood is actually an awful ending for Ninian.
@eleonorepb4565 You're seeing plot holes where there are none. Also, how is Ninian spending her last moments with the man she loves "awful"? If anything, that's the happiest ending for her.
@@justnoob8141 I always thought Florina makes more sense since that would explain some of Lilian's shyness and magical ability, as Pegasus Knights have a lot of Res growth.
But, Hector route has a lot of good moments with Lyn so I think that's also a good candidate.
I wish there where more pairing options for the fe7 lords. I dont want to pair Ninian and Eliwood together because she won't live long in Elibe and I prefer Lyn's ending with Rath or Kent. Then the only options for Eliwood and Hector are the pegasus sisters, but then Roy and Lilina would be cousins
Just go with the implied canon to be double safe: Eliwood x Ninian, Hector x Lyn.
Chrom to Robin: we should be canon.
Robin: I’m a guy!
Chrom shrugging: and I don’t judge!!!
Robin thinking about it: hmmm!🤔
Imagine your wingman is Chrom, either Robin didn’t think it through or it’s a ploy to get him MORE support
One of the other Awakening ships I like besides Chrom and Sumia is Olivia X Lon’qu, it makes sense narratively and fits with how Inigo is as a character
Huh. I found I liked Lon'qu x Cherche because that was the one support that actually explained Lon'qu's fear of women and helped him to heal. Then Gerome made perfect sense with Lon'qu as his father.
Olivia is hard though. I ended up pairing her with Gaius in my game, but it's honestly not the best relationship even though there's definitely something funny to Gaius calling out their son for his philandering.
Its chrom and sumia all day nothing else oliivia can dance elsewhere
I would agree if Robin didn't marry Sumia every time I play.
Random village girl forever
Philistine...
Ike x Soren for ever
Sumia is such a lame wife for chrom. Their support is just her feeding him pies until he's like "well to thank you, lets get married"
Female robin and chrom have so much more chemistry as a couple and at this point i think IS knows too their feh alts keep referencing each others even with male robin. A valentine's duo chrom and robin?? Thought you were sneaky feh? It also makes awakening's story much better:
-if female robin isn't chrom's wife lucina actually hates her for being around her dad too much so her not wanting to kill her to save the world just make her look stupid
-if male robin isn't married to lucina she doesn't want to kill him because he's friend with his dad which is still a little pathetic coming from her
-when male robin marries lucina she actually have a good reason: being in love, but the implication of dating your best friend's daughter that you know as a baby just seems way too weird for my taste
-and finally if female robin is lucina's mother she bust into tears not being able to kill her own mother even if it means saving the future, she got to create many great memories with her that killing her is simply impossible. And it makes the scene so powerfull and sad when with the other options it's either stupid, goofy or pathetic
But what about Sumia's support with Male Robin?
All canon ones:
Marth and Caeda.
Julian and Lena.
Merric and Elice.
Nyna and Camus (Archanea Saga).
Astram and Midia.
Catria and Warren (formerly).
Jake and Anna.
Samson and Sheena.
Abel and Est.
Alm and Celica.
Clive and Mathilda.
Berkut and Rinea.
Mae and Boey.
Zeke and Tatiana.
Gray and Clair.
Sigurd and Deirdre.
Quan and Ethlyn.
Lewyn and Erinys.
Julius and Ishtar.
Liza and Ishtore.
Altena and Arion.
Osian and Tanya.
Machyua and Brighton.
Leif and Nanna.
Selphina and Glade.
Roy and Lilina.
Juno and Zelot.
Melady and Galle.
Dorcas and Natalie.
Matthew and Leila.
Pent and Louise.
Calill and Largo.
Micaiah and Sothe.
Kagero and Saizo (formerly).
Implied, but unconfirmed:
Phina and Navarre.
Genny and Saber.
Fred and Olwen.
Half od FE6 cast.
Not canon, but might as well be:
Kris and Katarina.
Azelle and Tailtiu.
Lachesis and Beowolf.
Brigid and Chulainn.
Harken and Isadora.
Hector and Florina.
Eliwood and Ninian.
Nino and Jaffar.
Elincia and Geoffrey.
Lucia and Bastian.
Naesala and Leanne.
Zihark and Ilyana.
Nailah and Rafiel.
Chrom and Sumia.
Virion and Panne.
Sully and Stahl.
Lissa and Lon'qu.
Canon:
Elincia X Geoffrey
Implied but unconfirmed:
Eliwood X Ninian
Hector X Lyn
Jaffar X Nino
Not canon, but might as well be:
Chrom X Olivia
Lissa X Henry
Severa X Tsubaki
CATRIA AND WARREN???
Okay you definitely made up all of those Awakening ones 🙄
Lissa makes more sense with Vaike than anyone else, he's blond and even names his attacks like Owain
@@LordZemosa Counterpoint: Henry because of Ophelia. As well as the fact that Owain is a Dark Mage in Fates.
Also a very important canon couple: Me and Mordecai! Not many people know im married to the real Mordecai (im not lying or coping i swear)
I really gotta know why people ship Ike and Soren when they're moreso brothers
It's personal perception. For some people their dynamic simple leans more into romance and for others it doesn't. It also happens for some canon couples, no matter if they are canon, some people just don't vibe with them lol
For me for example, I see Ike more likely to be single forever, but his bond with Soren just have something that while close doesn't seem as brotherly as idk- Eliwood and Hector's so I kinda get why they're a popular ship. And that perception might be due to the friendships I've seen irl
@@hanadewayne4942 how i see it, Soren sees Ike as the Reliable Friend that is the closest thing to family
if nothing changed besides sorens gender you would not see their relationship as "brothers" LOL its ok to be gay btw
@@loonaenjoyer7892the ship between them just felt forced for me. Like maybe not brotherly bond but at least in the sense of Soren seeing Ike as someone who is the closest thing to family and the rest of the Greil Mercenary. There hasn't been anything in the game to suggest they like each other compared to other games
there is A LOT in the games that show how meaningful and important they are to each other. their a support, the secret rd support (that's hard to get) they have an ending together! ike is the only person soren truly trusts and loves. i do think there is enough to be like, yeah, this is a romantic relationship. like i said earlier, if it was a woman ppl wouldn't deny the ship as much
No mention of Erika and Ephraim?
They're not a couple. While they do have paired ending, not all pairs are romantic.
She supports him as a sister.
@@Eyolf87 Well, I choose to believe otherwise. They are cute together, see rule34 for proof.
Eirika has Lyon, and Ephraim has Tana.
This joke hasn't been funny in at least 10 years
I love how thier weapons are lovers. Someone at IS knew what he was doing.
I will always ship Ike and Elincia as well as Roy/Lilina/Guenivere. I also end up pairing Eliwood and Lyn as well as Hector with Florina. Also Lowen/Rebecca and Dart/Farina are my ultimate power couples.
Honestly, this is going to be controversial, but avatars should be made into their own characters and not self inserts, kinda like a Kiana Kaslana situation. You play as them but you’re not them. That way, we can still have main lord romances with another member of the cast, maybe a few smaller pairs, but still enough ambiguity in a majority of the cast to allow for multiple different paired endings. If I could rewrite the avatar system and make them into their own characters, here is how I would:
Awakening would just feature Male Robin as Robin, Chrom would marry Sumia, and Robin marries Lucina, mainly for that extra emotional scene at the end of chapter 21 that really hits hard. Plus, the whole plot points get foreshadowed in dlc of all things, with Lucina mentioning that she hates how she would put her mission above her heart if the time came to that. It also foreshadows Robin’s return, as he (this is the married convo between Lucina and Robin) says that no matter what he will find a way back to her.
Fates is where we see a spilt path for the first time. Easy enough as Male Corrin can be the lead for Birthright and Female Corrin for Conquest. Revelations is a bit tricky, but maybe Female since that version of Corrin is used more so in marketing
Three Houses is another spilt path, but done totally different. Both Byleths get fair amount of equal treatment, with one being on the box art/promo for Hopes, while the other is in Engage. I’d honestly do it where each Byleth is featured in 2 paths, with my main choices being male for Edelgard and Claude’s routes, and female for Dimitri and Rhea’s routes. As for a potential romance, the house/route leader is obvious, especially since Claude should’ve been the same sex pair for the house leader (gives a nice balance. Male Byleth gets an exclusive, female Byleth gets an exclusive, and they can share one option)
Hopes is easy, just do the box art. Male Shez and Female Byleth
Finally Engage is also easy, do male as he is the one in the manga.
But that’s just my two cents.
I miss the scripted romances. I didn't play Echoes but still they felt real from what I looked at if not soapish. But thanks to the gender optional MC, all that has to go and as a result the relationships are so artificial and depthless.
For male byleth im 101% sure that his canon wife is shamir, right?
Disappointed yet not at all surprised that Ike/Soren, aka the franchise's very 1st & only confirmed queer couple - is excluded from this convo yet AGAIN. You all are actually DETERMINED to keep the homophobia alive & thriving within this community huh😮💨?
It's whatever, but what ticks me off more about this situation are the annoying times when you lot have the audacity to try to accuse queer fans & shippers as being "queerwashers" or whatever the heck you call it..just bc we engage with in headcanon queer shipping..& yet most of you constantly try to give Ike/Soren the Achilles/Patroclus treatment: censor, deny, & then bury. Apparently that doesn't count as heterowashing somehow??
Can’t an unconventional relationship be neither hetero nor queer?
This video was never meant to be an extensive list or anything, just a random assortment of interesting relationships that could be covered in shorter segments. I think Ike/Soren is a very interesting couple, but there is way too much to their story to be featured in a grab bag video like this one. You could easily fill up an entire video as long as this one talking about Ike and Soren, so it didn't feel right to put them in this vid as merely a section, that'd be a disservice to the place they (potentially) hold in the Fire Emblem series and community
YOU are the reason why those ship won’t exist
I don't care either way but if the tellius remake gives Ike a girl pairing or clarifies he's not gay, it would be really funny. 😂
If they make the soren pair canon then that's fine too since people like you will hopefully finally STFU.
Reccarding his choices it seems that Soren/Ike isn't his cup of thea because it don't contain any submisive wife...
In Three Hopes given that it didn't have paired ending did more firmly imply or straight up say attractions characters had in the game like Monica being in love with Edelgard, Constance and Hapi, Manuela being into Shez, etc but it avoided making any relationship canon even if some of the people do have these canon attractions that are fairly clear.
Since he mentioned his dragon damsel in distress fantasy he could have mentionned any non canon pairing from Fodlan, Rhea/Byleth ; Edelgard/Byleth ; Dorothea/Ferdinand to me seem more "pushed" than Eliwood and the blue damsel in distress. But the 3 houses fanbase don't have any canon pairing inquisition and it seem that the purpose of this youtube channel isn't to say interesting new things but simply to repeat what is popular to say so that the people are happy to hear their popular opinion and applaud him.
Speaking of Monica being in love with Edelgard, Hubert was also in love with Edelgard.
Everyone knows the canon paired ending for Chrom is Male Robin as shown in Heroes a million billion times and in Engage.