Wait... People didn't realize this??? I read the books years ago and I thought it was obvious that a mother who carries their child around on a leash & dictates their every action is abusive. I hated her when I read about her, she reads like a karen to me LOL
When I was young I thought she was justified because of her children getting murdered. But my opinion has changed over the years for sure lol. Karen is the perfect descriptor of her too. “My daughter Anenome is a perfect angel who never would have attacked Moon” or “May I speak to your queen?” are something I can imagine her saying.
@@5rcane I mean, one thing my teacher told often was "understanding one action doesn't mean these actions are right" Like, we know pretty well why Coral acted like she did. But like... Thorn is probably the only good mom in the book (In the two first arcs, third has good moms too)
Yeah but luckily she seems to be getting a bit better about that like because the assassin was caught she is learning to give her dragonets more freedom as shown by her letting Anemone go to school she still has a long way to go but I think she can change though even then she still gonna be a bit of a Karen
I remember seeing coral and thinking "oh she seems like a caring mother" and then I saw anemone on a leash and finding out she was being used as a weapon and being "engaged" to whirlpool and instantly changed my mind. I didn't really see her as a self insert because all her negative traits are so obvious like blaming someone else and punishing the guard of the hatchery (she may have had some things in common with the author, like writing scrolls, but I didn't see it as a self insert). I'm still glad this was brought up
Whoah- when I read the parts with queen coral I did feel like she wasn’t the best but I never looked into it more… and now I wished I did, amazing video though and very underrated
Not to mention Coral has killed dragons over them failing to protect her eggs before! In the Lost Heir, she kills Tortoise as she left the Royal Hatchery unprotected; thus, not preventing the death of one of her unhatched daughters. She is shown to kill Royal Hatchery guards in a very similar way as before, but this time for a much more unreasonable reason. Abalone is seen guarding the Royal Hatchery but begins to development a strange condition that eventually causes him to go unconscious and, as a result, causing all the current female dragon eggs to die. It makes no sense for her to not show at LEAST a little mercy, as Abalone literally could not GUARD THE EGGS DUE TO BEING UNCONSCIOUS AND SICK! She has Snapper executed as well for her disobedience and failure to prevent the demise of her eggs. These dragons did fail her, but the fact that Coral’s first reaction to these kinds of problems is murder is really telling. She also expressed wanting to kill Webs for stealing one of her eggs, which is just yet another piece of evidence that proves Coral is a vengeful and terrible old queen. Coral is literally so obsessed with having heirs that she will KILL anyone that fails her. Queen Coral is an unbelievably cruel queen, not to mention everything else you said in the video. I sure do hope she is replaced soon. But to be honest, she doesn’t really have any heirs that I think would want to or be able to do it except Moray, who we barely know anything about. I guess we’re just have to see.
But then again, on the one talon, Coral couldn’t help it. After Orca challenged her and she nearly lost, she had to kill her daughter. Right afterwards, all her daughters were dying. She was heartbroken and probably had no idea what she was doing. Of course Coral isn’t the best queen, nobody would ever be. But she’s just getting angry because her heirs to the throne were dying and she didn’t know why; she assumed her guards were somehow being lazy and not noticing anyone sneaking in to the hatchery. She didn’t even know that Orca was an animus, or that she enchanted the statue in the hatchery, expecting to win. Coral only wanted a living daughter, and since her husband died in the SkyWing arena due to Tsunami, she was even _more_ heartbroken. Yes, she did kill dragons for horrible reasons. Yes, she is overprotective of Anemone. Yes, she doesn’t care about her sons. But she had her reasons; she wanted a daughter. After Tsunami saved her final heir, Auklet, I imagine that Coral calmed her cycle of posting guards then killing them. She had three daughters who would be great queens one day- Tsunami, Anemone, and Auklet- so of course she would be more calm, as that was all she wanted. And her sons, they would never be able to rule unless they bent the rules of the SeaWings and probably every other tribe as well. “Only female royal members can rule their tribe”. I’m saying, I don’t think Queen Coral wanted to do what she did, but she was doing what a part of her thought she had to do. She was only heartbroken by the death of her first daughter Orca, then losing so many female dragonets, then losing her husband. It just made her go crazy, is all.
@@OtterPxp When Tsunami offered to protect the egg, Coral threatened to kill her if she failed. She threatened to kill her own daughter, granted she might've done that to scare Tsunami, but it was still a very messed up thing to do. And just because she been through some stuff, is no excuse to act the way she did. She killed dragons who practically starved themselves to protect her eggs. Also, I don't blame Orca for hiding her animus powers from Coral, because Coral would've exploited her like she does with Anemone. Not to mention Whirlpool. Coral was fine with one of her daughters marrying that creep, and since Whirlpool considered marrying Auklet with little thought, it's probably implied that Coral would've been fine with her newborn dragonet marrying a full grown dragon. And as for the sons, yes, Coral wanted a daughter, but does that make it okay to neglect the rest of her children? She doesn't even bother to remember any of her sons' names, all she cares about is a heir!
@@randomcomment1286 I'm pretty sure when Coral said that, she was referring to the egg that had been smashed. I don't think Coral would ever harm her daughters, seeing as she's pretty much obsessed with keeping them alive and close to her, but you _could_ be right.
Isn't that obvious? As much as it was caused by grief and does not look intentional (imo she was just so scared of ever losing daughters again that she would rather hurt them than letting them die), it's still abusive. She doesn't care for her sons, she put Anemone and Auklet on a leash, etc. What we can all hope is that after destroying the statue of Orca and maybe some guidance from Tsumami and Anemone, she'll lean to not make the same mistakes again, even if it's out of love.
I agree. Especially the fact that she still put Auklet on a leash after she learned the truth about "the hidden assassin ". You'd think she would learn her lesson after that but nope, she still chose to smother her daughters with "helicopter parenting " and dispose her sons like they're trash to her. Plus she has zero faith in the dragons around her. Once they fail she murders them. When I first read the lost heir I thought maybe she was a better queen than Scarlet but no, she's just as bad.
saw this in my recommended like "Queen Coral is abusive!" "yep! absolutely right!" I'm glad you're calling it out and giving it the attention it needs. There's a LOT of abuse and murder and other things in the books so it can be kind of easy not to sit back and debrief that yeah she really was that awful. *Relatively* better but still absolutely terrible. Oh your only friends are going to drown? Allow me to minimize that and not worry about it :)
Finally some one that made an analysis of coral! I agree coral… she’s not the best parent, and in ways might be abusive, though she’s not that bad compared to other parents like artic
Great analysis! I didn’t even really consider some of your points back when I originally read The Lost Hier, but it’s clear as day to me that Queen Coral is one of the absolute worst characters from that series.
TY! A lot of this stuff went right over my head when I was younger too until I was reading the graphic novel when it came out and things started to come together for me.
At first I thought oh what a great queen because she is protecting anemone but ignoring her sons and bad but not letting anemone do anything is child abuse but when she ordered her guards lock clay up is bad but then letting whirlpool forcing her to use her power until she becomes another crazy animus and even letting whirlpool making her uncomfortable makes me give her a 0/10
honestly, this is why i really like coral. having a morally gray character who does horrible stuff but still isnt a completely evil and tyrannical queen is a really good. i dont agree with coral whatsoever but i find her interesting and well written.
Eyy thanks for talking about this! Was wondering if anyone on youtube thought about this, I've been seeing this pop up on the wiki and tumblr but never on here. In my opinion Coral is abusive, yes, and the way she and the narrative brush her actions off as if it's nothing is kinda ehh? But I've grown to enjoy her character more because of those elements. She's a queen who has killed countless dragons for failing her to the point of near absurdity, she's said to be a good-ish mother that only after *13+* years is even acknowledging her sons, she's supposedly cares deeply about her daughters only to keep Anemone on a leash, be completely fine with using her as a weapon against her wishes, and threaten her with a muzzle along the leash. She's 'a good person' who's easily manipulated by Blister with flattery. She's "beloved" by her kingdom even though she's dragged them into a foreign war that they have NOTHING to gain from. There's just so many contradictions here, so many leaps in logic, so much things gone by and ignored that i can't help but be fascinated ngl. Also about the self insert argument... Please don't. Just. Please.
@@ILoveQazaqstan 'disguised', eh? I was thinking more along the lines of ye olde absolutist monarchy. Specially the french and russian kinds. But authoritarian dictatorship also works, since hereditary non-constitutional monarchies are dictatorships by virtue.
@@rickastley4587 she’s awful as a person but at least she’s interesting I can’t really think of any other morally grey characters in the series so that’s something
Not only does Queen Coral allow Whirlpool to stick around Anemone, but she also kept trying to push her to love him. She, in CANON, comments on how "handsome" he is in front of Anemone. Just an additional little fact.
This is a good analysis, I was aware of most of this, but the love-bombing observation is new to me and while I knew her treatment of Tsunami was wrong it wasn't something I could articulate. I will add a few things that you missed about how bad Coral actually is: she believes in and perpetuates blood purity where dragons like Riptide are bad because his blood-line was "tainted" by Webs while Gill and Whirlpool where amazing because of their blood-line. Coral surrounds herself in an echochamber of dragons who adore her like Moray and Whirlpool and punishes those who criticize her, and that's made worse when it's revealed that's she basically making propaganda about how AMAZING she is, making it even harder for others to recognize her poor leadership or even criticize it. There are three reason why I think people defend her so much, one they fell for the in-universe propaganda about how she's an amazing queen, two the end the books themselves don't seem to fully recgonize how bad her abuse and actions are, excusing her abuse towards anemone by saying it's not as bad as Tsunamis, and three people love her tragic element of her losing her daughters, and like Kestrel, they make her into a tragic character and excuse her actions because tragedy. Despite all of this however, I like Coral! I like her similarly to how I like Kestrel, Dune, and Scarlet, their interesting and fun to explore, but I fully recognize that they are NOT good people. The one thing I really like about Coral is the she's the last morally questionable queen as all of the recent ones (except Wasp but she likely to die) are glorified into amazing leader, even ones that weren't originally like Glacier have been turned into morally upstanding characters. This just makes Coral stand out as somewhat realistic since, you know, absolute monarchy isn't good, which while it doesn't need to be explored in a fantasy story aimed at kids, was something the first arc seemed to be conscious of that the recent arcs dropped. Again, great video!
Coral’s ego definitely is no small part of everything. I’m decently sure she wrote her own biography in canon LOL I also agree that unfortunately the new arcs are more black and white (Hivewings bad leafwings good) and having morally grey character like Coral keeps things interesting.
wait when you mentioned thorn being abusive in the beginning did you mean one of the 3 queens (blister or burn, not blaze she hasnt done a single bad thing in her life)? i dont remember thorn doing anything bad to sunny or anyone else, unless im misremembering or something. love the video tho u spit pure facts
Good art and I like your way of looking at Coral! I may have a different opinion but the things you pointed out about Whirlpool had me speechless! I knew he was slippery and what you said about him made me hate him more Tbh Coral is my favorite character, but she definitely has a lot of flaws.
about the turtle thing, in the letter, she says his brothers were gonna play a prank on him, so she must have spoken alot to them, and she did let them both stay in school, so she definitely didn't only pay attention to him for his magic, if she were to be like scarlet she would understand how to use that attachment against turtle.
I haven’t read the books in a long time so when you started talking about Whirlpool, I got VErY uNCOMFORtABLE and literally stopped to ask if I even noticed that when I read it
I agree! She killed so many warriors for stupid reasons! Like not protecting eggs, if the eggs are crushed, and cant have more warriors, why kill more?! This gurl don't know how to participate in WAR-
I haven't watched the video yet, but, if you read Anemones Descriptions, I believe it says that because of Coral showing Anemone all that... stuff, it affected her when she left to go to Jade Mountain. Don't know if this is true or not.
I definitely think it did because of her trying to take the fish from the NightWing and also the way she treated her roommate (Ostritch). It also explains her behavior around Darkstalker too, and how she views Moon as someone trying to "steal" attention.
I have an AU where Fin (one of her sons) challenges her to the throne, but she says that he can't do that, so when he attacks her anyways she doesn't hold back (since she never cared about him anyways) and tries to kill him, still not accepting it as a challenge, but an annoying prince. Fin wins the challenge and kills his mother, but some dragons don't accept him as king, due to being male and Coral herself not recognizing it as a challenge. The group of SeaWings that don't see him as king break off into what they call the "true SeaWings" with Moray (Coral's niece) as queen. There is then a civil war between the SeaWings.
The monarchies are sort of flawed, because sometimes the citizens are doomed with a horrible Queen. Why can’t they elect their own leader and have like freedom?
i agree with this, even as a kid i didnt like queen coral because something was off about her (i didnt know it was abuse, i just thought she was really rude)
I think that also might be why orca challenged her for the throne so young, she realised what was happening and knew it had to stop so she challenged coral but didn’t win. That’s also why she enchanted the statue not she could be queen forever but so she would never turn out like coral
Wow. I completely missed all that due to the perspective of losing her daughters. But I also first read the book when it first came out so I’m not too shocked by having missed that either
Queen Coral is a horrible dragon and a dumb one as well, like cmon, if the heirs still kept dying even with a bunch of guards OUTSIDE the hatchery, any normal dragon would put guards INSIDE the hatchery or check for any type of entries or the statue itself, but what did Coral do? Refused to move the eggs like Gill AND Tsunami sugested AND killed a bunch of inocent guards that were doing the best job that they could
I never really liked Coral. She kept dragging poor Anemone around on a leash, only letting her off when having a leash being fit for Auklet(who is newly hatched I'm pretty sure, since it seemed to have happened at least one day after the nursery attack-). She locked away Tsunami's friends and no one fed them, at least from my memory no one had fed them as I remember Clay whining about that- And I never liked Whirlpool to beggin with, but now I dislike him even more. And I always thought to myself when reading the scenes with him it "whyyyyyy? Why does Coral let this slimy, gross creepy guy around her children?? Why is he so creepy????" I know realize why and it's gross-
Queen Coral is crazy. It was pointed out in the books, and the only reason why it wasn't brought up that often after The Last Heir was because Dragonets didn't want to talk about Tsunami's disturbed mother, especially that Tsunami herself wanted really badly to love her. But they sure as heck did remember she was crazy. I'm surprised to find the fandom thinks otherwise, like all of them read Queen Coral's scrolls instead of the book. But yeah, comparing Coral, to Burn who loved the smell of decaying flesh, and freakin Scarlet, is definitely unfair. Some stuff about Coral from "The Dragonet Prophecy" might have been retconned in "Jade Mountain Prophecy", because she was shown to actually pay attention to her sons this time, but I kinda believe that was also the result of her finally regaining peace, after so many years of being paranoid about her daughters being either murdered in their eggs, or stolen from hatchery, like Tsunami was. Again, we have to remember why she was so traumatized and crazy. She had this major tragedy happen to her, over and over again, and every time she was helpless to stop it. Remember in the prologue of Talons of Power, when the Queen learned about her eggs being murdered again, she didn't go into the violet fit like she did in The Last Heir, but instead she just grieved in silence and even later advocated for Turtle after Gill scolded him unfairly. This is why I believe Queen Coral used to be a calm and collected person, and after all that happened to her she devolved into this psycho maniac, who would let her guards bleed out onto her carpet and would pull out teeth out of dragons who failed her. And, just to be clear, I'm not saying Queen Coral is a good parent, because oh boy, she is not, and you can see how badly she fucked up her kids just by looking at them. And I wouldn't even say she's a good queen, because she's laughably easy to manipulate, which both Blister and Whirlpool used to their advantage, and also she's enforcing a class division in her kingdom in a very... interesting way. What I'm saying she shouldn't be compared to the likes of Burn, Blister or Scarlet. Also, the love bombing argument is actually silly to me. If Tui did something right, is that she showed us that despite her going slowly bananas, Queen Coral loves her daughters unconditionally. Orca tries to murder her - she keeps all of her remaining sculptures in the palace to honor her. Tsunami leaves during an attack on the Summer Palace - she's still happy to see her every time she gets a chance to do so. Anemome wanders off to kill her and also murders Queen's favourite scribe - she's still her favourite daughter. That's definitely NOT something a cult leader does. And by the end of the video I feel like while some people forgot to read about Coral's faults, and you forgot to read every passage in the first series when the characters criticized her. She's not Tui's self insert. Sunny's the closest to her self insert from the main cast, I believe. And every character that met Queen Coral criticizes her for her overprotectiveness, her impressionability, her violent behavior, her dishonesty, her spinelessness, her occasional, unnecessary cruelty. I believe someone compared her to Sunny once and Sunny got wildly offended. Unless Tui wants people to be offended then they are compared to her, she didn't make Coral her to be her self insert. That's just ridiculous of you to say and even kinda offensive.
@@tsaralexis9459 I suppose but Moorhen is so forgettable she barely counts and Glacier was not in the first ark very much. So while they are not very bad they are forgettable, making Coral, who is very memorable, more prominent in the mind of the reader.
One time I wanted to do a fanfiction of one of Coral’s unnamed sons name Tidal wave(oc) who grows to despise his own culture believing it to be toxic and very discriminative towards males like him. One day he left not only the kingdom but Pyrrhia itself to another world ruled by Raptors where a King rules the tribes and becomes a king himself.
People got the impression that Coral was a good person? She carries Anemone around on a leash. Her lost child Tsunami returns one day and the first thing she does is lock up her friends and start lying to her. She kills a guard because that guard was let off duty by her commander, Coral’s own brother Shark. She can’t even remember her son’s names. She’s delusional enough to keep her eggs in the royal hatchery even though it’s proven to be completely compromised. The average SeaWing is more likely to die form Coral’s delusion than average SkyWings are from Scarlet’s bloodlust imo.
There is more than coral than meets the eye, coral has seen her own children's mangled bodies infront of her, she is so desprate to have just ONE, one child, and when she finally gets it, she is not letting go of them, now she has one, two, THREE children! And honestly she deserves it, i would kill someone for not protecting my child well enough too
I personally don't think Coral is supposed to be justified in her behavior. At least, that's not how I saw it when I read the books as a kid. I don't think the author would write themselves as a self-insert where they keep their kid on a leash, marry them off to a gross dragon who died, and murder everyone who goes against their wishes, yknow? I always thought she was supposed to be portrayed as abusive and an asshole, just that she wasn't dethroned because the opportunity didn't present itself in narrative.
I really must agree with this I read the book and graphic novel and reading both gave a visual and idea of what Coral was doing and yeah she sure is questionable
Queen coral also pulled out all of tortoises teeth for failing her. And she kills dragons who disappoint her like that dragon at the start who was I’ll and became unconscious letting a dragonet die!
In all honesty, Coral reads as naive and emotionally damaged to me. That doesn't give her an excuse to do the things she does in the books, but maybe she'd be better if she had more of a guide. I will say, the council was a really smart decision on her part. She just needs to listen to it more. The emotional damage definitely came from all her possible heirs being killed before hatching. I can easily see why she's overbearing. She comes off as naive to me from how easily she was manipulated by Blister. But yes, throwing an adult as a sexual partner to a literal child is wrong as all fuck. There is no excuse to that.
i feel like she was getting built up to die in book 2, or arc 2 or 1, but there was too much going on and tui couldnt fit a major side character's death into all the stuff going on
Let's not forget she threatened to kill Tsunami if she failed to protect her egg, and doesn't seem to ponder the reasoning for failure at all, meaning if Tsunami had failed she probably would've killed her without any thought of why or how it would've affected Anemone or the world as a whole.
Does anyone one else think that coral overreacted when starflight said about how webs kinda saved tsunami because webs grabbed her before the statue got her
Since I do not have headphones currently, I watch stuff like this on no sound, and subtitles. I turned them on for this one, and WTH Excerpt from subtitles: introfrend Vinhomes Dragon Aegean burnaware overload against your phone or not is right reserved in public search…. IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING THIS PROBLEM OR IS IT JUST ME!?!?
Yes, I had noticed that too, that Queen Coral has such a certain abusive tendency. Are you aware that the capture of child or adolescent dragons is also an indication of child trafficking or slave trade of children, a serious crime that exists on our earth and is hardly addressed ? After all, the dragon children were also kidnapped, sometimes sold by their parents or stolen from their parents. That is also part of the child trade. The author Tui enlightens us a little. Before I started reading Wings of Fire, I had learned about this issue of child trafficking. This is why I find Tui's books so special and important for clarification.
I have a HATRED for queen coral, she is a terrible queen and mother! Honestly, if she didn't know that Tsunami and her friends were the DoD, i bet she would have had them executed, or used them as a bargaining chip! I would rather have ORCA as queen of the seawings than Coral, (AND ORCA PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CAUSED ANOTHER MASSACRE AND MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE WIPED OUT THE ENTIRE TRIBE) No offense to anyone who likes queen coral! This is my opinion, please don't attack me in the comments, and feel free to share your opinions and thoughts! Have a good day/night/afternoon!
I can see the a few reasons why Queen Coral is so abusive to everyone. 1.She might have PTSD from killing Orca and doesn't want to feel that way ever again, so not only is she overprotective but also lashes out constantly to any who would dare question her being wrong about things, as well as she feeling that she will forever be a victim in her own kingdom. 2.Queen Coral is acting like the same way her mother did because the Kingdom Of The Sea has always had problems when it comes to being morally correct and being kind to not just their own tribe but other tribes in general, after all this kind of behavior has been happening way before Queen Coral was even born in the Darkstalker legends book which takes place 2,000 years ago the Seawing tribe act basically the same way as they do today. 3.Since the Seawing royal bloodline has always had the chance to breed animus', one of the Seawing animus' may have cursed the entire tribe to always have a negative aura/community/royalty. These are just theories but you can pick them apart if you want and perhaps there could one day be a video about what The Kingdom Of The Sea needs to do in order to truly be a safe kingdom again? I think it would be interesting to talk about.
I mean after the attacks (orca) and tsunami got kidnapped, it would be logical coral would want to protect her children, she never wanted to kill orca, and coral was afraid to lose her other children too. Sure she killed dragons but she was trying to make sure her kids would live and not end up like orca.
honestly when i read this my immediate thought was that she was a bad guy and it wasn't until i met another wof fan that i realized she was supposed to be good (i was 9 when i first read the books)
also shes a bad queen cuz when the palace was being attacked she fled while others die putting her own safety before she gave a second thought about all the dragons and drongonets that where dying. like queen thorn is a good queen cuz u hear about here sacrificing her life to not only find her stolen daughter but she was willing to trust quibly giving her an earring to protect her while coral seems to think anyone lower then her is pathetic.
SERIOUSLY! Coral pulled Tortises teeth out! With Enemy, couldn’t she notice it was terrifying ENEMY! And what about the time when Coral was willing to make Enemy go insane and try to murder just to win the warrr??? Sounds abusive to me!
First two Points about her sons I agree but I have to contradict about Turtle: Sure, Turtle may be alone with only his brothers and care takers , He still wanted to be like his mother and in his book Coral did show affection towards him and promising to no to forget his name and it was bonding , as said by her voice . He is not treated like Coral's daughters as he doesn't have a harness and doesn't bring him every where like she does with Anemone but that s also a point added to your list that Coral is Abusive. I have to contradict another point with her daughter Tsunami: Coral was not love-bombing as she always wished that they never stole her and showed affection . This also tells why Coral didn't forgive Webs and Punished him instead but this is also another point to your list as well because hurting someone who tried to do peace is abusive . I have to contradict another point : Anemone was not rude due to Coral , But most likely by her animus spells that Whirlpool forced her to do . She only wanted to impress Darkstalker as she could finally meet someone who she thought understands her as how stressful it can be while being a animus. Another Point to contradict : She did give the orders to lock the Dragonets of Destiny but she never told Shark to lock Clay . That is probably why she punished Shark into the dungeon but that will also make another point to your list as that is also abusive. Another Point to contradict : She pushed Whirlpool by accident and didn't mean it so that means that she is NOT pushing over at that moment to be herself . She only went back to Coral to be safe NOT to be abused . But I still agree with you in the most part
I think you need to learn athing about psychology. A very sheltered person can grow up to be very selfish person- selfish because they think (or do) deserve to have what they never had growing up. Your points don't really work.
@@DragonProtector Nope. She literally encouraged her underage daughter to marry him and didn't protest when he said he wanted to marry her literally just hatched dragonet.
@@DragonProtector She wasn't under any influences and her treatment of Anemome and her son's continued after Blister stopped being 'her friend and ally'
This is why I made a evil royal Seawing Oc named octopi that has a grudge against queen coral for abandoning her because of her purple scales and kills her in the future.
Update: She’s now angry because queen coral took the throne and decided to mind control her with her animus powers,now she has a TON of lore that I’m too lazy to write. I’m swapping names for her since I don’t know which one I want. I wanna name her manta but I feel her old one is more fitting. Octavia maybe? Another update: Named her manta,it fits like butter on bread.
Wait... People didn't realize this??? I read the books years ago and I thought it was obvious that a mother who carries their child around on a leash & dictates their every action is abusive. I hated her when I read about her, she reads like a karen to me LOL
When I was young I thought she was justified because of her children getting murdered. But my opinion has changed over the years for sure lol. Karen is the perfect descriptor of her too. “My daughter Anenome is a perfect angel who never would have attacked Moon” or “May I speak to your queen?” are something I can imagine her saying.
@@5rcane I mean, one thing my teacher told often was "understanding one action doesn't mean these actions are right"
Like, we know pretty well why Coral acted like she did. But like... Thorn is probably the only good mom in the book (In the two first arcs, third has good moms too)
Heirs: **die**
QC: *I wAnT tO sPeAk To tHe MaNaGeR*
Yeah but luckily she seems to be getting a bit better about that like because the assassin was caught she is learning to give her dragonets more freedom as shown by her letting Anemone go to school she still has a long way to go but I think she can change though even then she still gonna be a bit of a Karen
Ikr
I remember seeing coral and thinking "oh she seems like a caring mother" and then I saw anemone on a leash and finding out she was being used as a weapon and being "engaged" to whirlpool and instantly changed my mind. I didn't really see her as a self insert because all her negative traits are so obvious like blaming someone else and punishing the guard of the hatchery (she may have had some things in common with the author, like writing scrolls, but I didn't see it as a self insert). I'm still glad this was brought up
Whoah- when I read the parts with queen coral I did feel like she wasn’t the best but I never looked into it more… and now I wished I did, amazing video though and very underrated
Not to mention Coral has killed dragons over them failing to protect her eggs before! In the Lost Heir, she kills Tortoise as she left the Royal Hatchery unprotected; thus, not preventing the death of one of her unhatched daughters. She is shown to kill Royal Hatchery guards in a very similar way as before, but this time for a much more unreasonable reason. Abalone is seen guarding the Royal Hatchery but begins to development a strange condition that eventually causes him to go unconscious and, as a result, causing all the current female dragon eggs to die. It makes no sense for her to not show at LEAST a little mercy, as Abalone literally could not GUARD THE EGGS DUE TO BEING UNCONSCIOUS AND SICK! She has Snapper executed as well for her disobedience and failure to prevent the demise of her eggs. These dragons did fail her, but the fact that Coral’s first reaction to these kinds of problems is murder is really telling. She also expressed wanting to kill Webs for stealing one of her eggs, which is just yet another piece of evidence that proves Coral is a vengeful and terrible old queen.
Coral is literally so obsessed with having heirs that she will KILL anyone that fails her. Queen Coral is an unbelievably cruel queen, not to mention everything else you said in the video. I sure do hope she is replaced soon. But to be honest, she doesn’t really have any heirs that I think would want to or be able to do it except Moray, who we barely know anything about. I guess we’re just have to see.
But then again, on the one talon, Coral couldn’t help it. After Orca challenged her and she nearly lost, she had to kill her daughter. Right afterwards, all her daughters were dying. She was heartbroken and probably had no idea what she was doing. Of course Coral isn’t the best queen, nobody would ever be. But she’s just getting angry because her heirs to the throne were dying and she didn’t know why; she assumed her guards were somehow being lazy and not noticing anyone sneaking in to the hatchery. She didn’t even know that Orca was an animus, or that she enchanted the statue in the hatchery, expecting to win. Coral only wanted a living daughter, and since her husband died in the SkyWing arena due to Tsunami, she was even _more_ heartbroken. Yes, she did kill dragons for horrible reasons. Yes, she is overprotective of Anemone. Yes, she doesn’t care about her sons. But she had her reasons; she wanted a daughter. After Tsunami saved her final heir, Auklet, I imagine that Coral calmed her cycle of posting guards then killing them. She had three daughters who would be great queens one day- Tsunami, Anemone, and Auklet- so of course she would be more calm, as that was all she wanted. And her sons, they would never be able to rule unless they bent the rules of the SeaWings and probably every other tribe as well. “Only female royal members can rule their tribe”. I’m saying, I don’t think Queen Coral wanted to do what she did, but she was doing what a part of her thought she had to do. She was only heartbroken by the death of her first daughter Orca, then losing so many female dragonets, then losing her husband. It just made her go crazy, is all.
@@OtterPxp When Tsunami offered to protect the egg, Coral threatened to kill her if she failed. She threatened to kill her own daughter, granted she might've done that to scare Tsunami, but it was still a very messed up thing to do. And just because she been through some stuff, is no excuse to act the way she did. She killed dragons who practically starved themselves to protect her eggs. Also, I don't blame Orca for hiding her animus powers from Coral, because Coral would've exploited her like she does with Anemone. Not to mention Whirlpool. Coral was fine with one of her daughters marrying that creep, and since Whirlpool considered marrying Auklet with little thought, it's probably implied that Coral would've been fine with her newborn dragonet marrying a full grown dragon. And as for the sons, yes, Coral wanted a daughter, but does that make it okay to neglect the rest of her children? She doesn't even bother to remember any of her sons' names, all she cares about is a heir!
@@randomcomment1286 I don’t remember her threatening to KILL her.
@@wolfprisom179 Her exact words to Tsunami was this "if anything happens to that egg, I'll lose two daughters a day."
@@randomcomment1286 I'm pretty sure when Coral said that, she was referring to the egg that had been smashed. I don't think Coral would ever harm her daughters, seeing as she's pretty much obsessed with keeping them alive and close to her, but you _could_ be right.
Isn't that obvious? As much as it was caused by grief and does not look intentional (imo she was just so scared of ever losing daughters again that she would rather hurt them than letting them die), it's still abusive. She doesn't care for her sons, she put Anemone and Auklet on a leash, etc.
What we can all hope is that after destroying the statue of Orca and maybe some guidance from Tsumami and Anemone, she'll lean to not make the same mistakes again, even if it's out of love.
I agree. Especially the fact that she still put Auklet on a leash after she learned the truth about "the hidden assassin ". You'd think she would learn her lesson after that but nope, she still chose to smother her daughters with "helicopter parenting " and dispose her sons like they're trash to her. Plus she has zero faith in the dragons around her. Once they fail she murders them. When I first read the lost heir I thought maybe she was a better queen than Scarlet but no, she's just as bad.
what coral does w anemone is helicopter parenting, which is also a form of abuse. good video! i never liked coral as much as others haha
I forgot the word for that LOL 😅 TY
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But I agree
saw this in my recommended like
"Queen Coral is abusive!"
"yep! absolutely right!"
I'm glad you're calling it out and giving it the attention it needs. There's a LOT of abuse and murder and other things in the books so it can be kind of easy not to sit back and debrief that yeah she really was that awful. *Relatively* better but still absolutely terrible. Oh your only friends are going to drown? Allow me to minimize that and not worry about it :)
Finally some one that made an analysis of coral! I agree coral… she’s not the best parent, and in ways might be abusive, though she’s not that bad compared to other parents like artic
Yeah at least she isn’t as bad as Cricket’s mother too!
@@5rcane uh wait what book are you on?
@@seasonalwolf6843 The Dangerous Gift. Also I meant the mother she was raised by sorry if that confused you LOL I forgot about the plot twist
@@5rcane ok uh so remember crickets mother is katydid and she is not a bad mother but the people the raised her do suck
@Hurricane the SkyWing yeah true she just like him like a soggy peace of mold covered bread
The fact that she allowed whirlpool around her daughter and even considered him a proper king was enough for me to hate her tbh
I would’ve killed whirlpool if he so much as laid a hand on her
One thing me and my friend would say was “Well why don’t YOU marry him?”
Me when I hear the beginning: “coral is good because she gives the dragonets shelter-“
Wut
Great analysis! I didn’t even really consider some of your points back when I originally read The Lost Hier, but it’s clear as day to me that Queen Coral is one of the absolute worst characters from that series.
TY! A lot of this stuff went right over my head when I was younger too until I was reading the graphic novel when it came out and things started to come together for me.
At first I thought oh what a great queen because she is protecting anemone but ignoring her sons and bad but not letting anemone do anything is child abuse but when she ordered her guards lock clay up is bad but then letting whirlpool forcing her to use her power until she becomes another crazy animus and even letting whirlpool making her uncomfortable makes me give her a 0/10
honestly, this is why i really like coral. having a morally gray character who does horrible stuff but still isnt a completely evil and tyrannical queen is a really good. i dont agree with coral whatsoever but i find her interesting and well written.
Eyy thanks for talking about this! Was wondering if anyone on youtube thought about this, I've been seeing this pop up on the wiki and tumblr but never on here.
In my opinion Coral is abusive, yes, and the way she and the narrative brush her actions off as if it's nothing is kinda ehh? But I've grown to enjoy her character more because of those elements.
She's a queen who has killed countless dragons for failing her to the point of near absurdity, she's said to be a good-ish mother that only after *13+* years is even acknowledging her sons, she's supposedly cares deeply about her daughters only to keep Anemone on a leash, be completely fine with using her as a weapon against her wishes, and threaten her with a muzzle along the leash. She's 'a good person' who's easily manipulated by Blister with flattery. She's "beloved" by her kingdom even though she's dragged them into a foreign war that they have NOTHING to gain from.
There's just so many contradictions here, so many leaps in logic, so much things gone by and ignored that i can't help but be fascinated ngl.
Also about the self insert argument... Please don't. Just. Please.
Queen Coral is a train trash in slow motion, I think that’s what I’m getting from that XD
@@5rcane oh she is! And it can be very fun watching said train crash.
So, basically a authoritarian dictatorship disguised as a monarchy?
@@ILoveQazaqstan 'disguised', eh?
I was thinking more along the lines of ye olde absolutist monarchy. Specially the french and russian kinds. But authoritarian dictatorship also works, since hereditary non-constitutional monarchies are dictatorships by virtue.
I feel like I always picked up on her abuse. It makes too much sense
I wouldn't be surprised if Coral died in book 15 by one of her sons or daughters, lol.
*crosses fingers* let’s hope so
I like coral tho....
@@2simpleofamango281 But… why? She emotionally abused her daughters and neglected her sons… not to mention she’s ultimate Karen
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@@rickastley4587 she’s awful as a person but at least she’s interesting
I can’t really think of any other morally grey characters in the series so that’s something
Coral serious needs some therapy I bet all the dragons in the series do
*Reads the title*
AMCNSKAKDMDLWM I MEAN YEAH KINDA OBVIOUS-
Not only does Queen Coral allow Whirlpool to stick around Anemone, but she also kept trying to push her to love him. She, in CANON, comments on how "handsome" he is in front of Anemone. Just an additional little fact.
So she was basically grooming her own daughter.
@@enderwalkgang in a sense, yeah. Or at least she was helping the groomer . . . well, groom her
This is a good analysis, I was aware of most of this, but the love-bombing observation is new to me and while I knew her treatment of Tsunami was wrong it wasn't something I could articulate. I will add a few things that you missed about how bad Coral actually is: she believes in and perpetuates blood purity where dragons like Riptide are bad because his blood-line was "tainted" by Webs while Gill and Whirlpool where amazing because of their blood-line. Coral surrounds herself in an echochamber of dragons who adore her like Moray and Whirlpool and punishes those who criticize her, and that's made worse when it's revealed that's she basically making propaganda about how AMAZING she is, making it even harder for others to recognize her poor leadership or even criticize it. There are three reason why I think people defend her so much, one they fell for the in-universe propaganda about how she's an amazing queen, two the end the books themselves don't seem to fully recgonize how bad her abuse and actions are, excusing her abuse towards anemone by saying it's not as bad as Tsunamis, and three people love her tragic element of her losing her daughters, and like Kestrel, they make her into a tragic character and excuse her actions because tragedy.
Despite all of this however, I like Coral! I like her similarly to how I like Kestrel, Dune, and Scarlet, their interesting and fun to explore, but I fully recognize that they are NOT good people. The one thing I really like about Coral is the she's the last morally questionable queen as all of the recent ones (except Wasp but she likely to die) are glorified into amazing leader, even ones that weren't originally like Glacier have been turned into morally upstanding characters. This just makes Coral stand out as somewhat realistic since, you know, absolute monarchy isn't good, which while it doesn't need to be explored in a fantasy story aimed at kids, was something the first arc seemed to be conscious of that the recent arcs dropped.
Again, great video!
Coral’s ego definitely is no small part of everything. I’m decently sure she wrote her own biography in canon LOL
I also agree that unfortunately the new arcs are more black and white (Hivewings bad leafwings good) and having morally grey character like Coral keeps things interesting.
Coral is dark grey
You are growing up as channel finally and I can't wait to see you grow up even more from here!
Anemone be like: *please end my misery*
I always imagine queen coral as a abusive mother, and not realizing that she IS abusive, it explains her a bit more
wait when you mentioned thorn being abusive in the beginning did you mean one of the 3 queens (blister or burn, not blaze she hasnt done a single bad thing in her life)? i dont remember thorn doing anything bad to sunny or anyone else, unless im misremembering or something. love the video tho u spit pure facts
I’m specifically mentioning Arc 1 Queens. I consider Thorn more of an Arc 2 Queen as she isn’t a queen for the majority of Arc 1. Also ty!
@@5rcane yeah i thought you were, also yw!!
Good art and I like your way of looking at Coral! I may have a different opinion but the things you pointed out about Whirlpool had me speechless! I knew he was slippery and what you said about him made me hate him more
Tbh Coral is my favorite character, but she definitely has a lot of flaws.
about the turtle thing, in the letter, she says his brothers were gonna play a prank on him, so she must have spoken alot to them, and she did let them both stay in school, so she definitely didn't only pay attention to him for his magic, if she were to be like scarlet she would understand how to use that attachment against turtle.
I haven’t read the books in a long time so when you started talking about Whirlpool, I got VErY uNCOMFORtABLE and literally stopped to ask if I even noticed that when I read it
I agree! She killed so many warriors for stupid reasons! Like not protecting eggs, if the eggs are crushed, and cant have more warriors, why kill more?! This gurl don't know how to participate in WAR-
I haven't watched the video yet, but, if you read Anemones Descriptions, I believe it says that because of Coral showing Anemone all that... stuff, it affected her when she left to go to Jade Mountain. Don't know if this is true or not.
I definitely think it did because of her trying to take the fish from the NightWing and also the way she treated her roommate (Ostritch). It also explains her behavior around Darkstalker too, and how she views Moon as someone trying to "steal" attention.
Queen Coral did bond with 🐢 during ToP. And in the prologue of this same 📖, Coral scolded Gill for being so hard on their son.
Au where anomie goes with the dod because she deserves better
Anemones dad is dead lol
I wonder why Tui didn’t write the rest of her sons revolting and killing her
Or even a AU
If only thats what happened XD
@@5rcane gunna host a map with my AU :D
I have an AU where Fin (one of her sons) challenges her to the throne, but she says that he can't do that, so when he attacks her anyways she doesn't hold back (since she never cared about him anyways) and tries to kill him, still not accepting it as a challenge, but an annoying prince. Fin wins the challenge and kills his mother, but some dragons don't accept him as king, due to being male and Coral herself not recognizing it as a challenge. The group of SeaWings that don't see him as king break off into what they call the "true SeaWings" with Moray (Coral's niece) as queen. There is then a civil war between the SeaWings.
The monarchies are sort of flawed, because sometimes the citizens are doomed with a horrible Queen. Why can’t they elect their own leader and have like freedom?
I absolutely love listening to these while I draw❤
i agree with this, even as a kid i didnt like queen coral because something was off about her (i didnt know it was abuse, i just thought she was really rude)
I always thought she was lying about not ordering clay to be locked up.
I think that also might be why orca challenged her for the throne so young, she realised what was happening and knew it had to stop so she challenged coral but didn’t win. That’s also why she enchanted the statue not she could be queen forever but so she would never turn out like coral
Wow. I completely missed all that due to the perspective of losing her daughters. But I also first read the book when it first came out so I’m not too shocked by having missed that either
me reading the title: well thats nothing new
I loved seeing the analysis!
Sheesh never thought this deeply about wings of fire
what is it with SeaWing Queens being abusive?? First u got Lagoon, and now Coral? lord
Yeah, and I believe in book 14, Coral didn't care that Tsunami was going to Pantala, it said Coral "Seemed fine with it once she arrived" /Page 252/
Queen Coral is a horrible dragon and a dumb one as well, like cmon, if the heirs still kept dying even with a bunch of guards OUTSIDE the hatchery, any normal dragon would put guards INSIDE the hatchery or check for any type of entries or the statue itself, but what did Coral do? Refused to move the eggs like Gill AND Tsunami sugested AND killed a bunch of inocent guards that were doing the best job that they could
I never really liked Coral.
She kept dragging poor Anemone around on a leash, only letting her off when having a leash being fit for Auklet(who is newly hatched I'm pretty sure, since it seemed to have happened at least one day after the nursery attack-).
She locked away Tsunami's friends and no one fed them, at least from my memory no one had fed them as I remember Clay whining about that-
And I never liked Whirlpool to beggin with, but now I dislike him even more. And I always thought to myself when reading the scenes with him it "whyyyyyy? Why does Coral let this slimy, gross creepy guy around her children?? Why is he so creepy????" I know realize why and it's gross-
Queen Coral is crazy. It was pointed out in the books, and the only reason why it wasn't brought up that often after The Last Heir was because Dragonets didn't want to talk about Tsunami's disturbed mother, especially that Tsunami herself wanted really badly to love her. But they sure as heck did remember she was crazy. I'm surprised to find the fandom thinks otherwise, like all of them read Queen Coral's scrolls instead of the book. But yeah, comparing Coral, to Burn who loved the smell of decaying flesh, and freakin Scarlet, is definitely unfair. Some stuff about Coral from "The Dragonet Prophecy" might have been retconned in "Jade Mountain Prophecy", because she was shown to actually pay attention to her sons this time, but I kinda believe that was also the result of her finally regaining peace, after so many years of being paranoid about her daughters being either murdered in their eggs, or stolen from hatchery, like Tsunami was. Again, we have to remember why she was so traumatized and crazy. She had this major tragedy happen to her, over and over again, and every time she was helpless to stop it. Remember in the prologue of Talons of Power, when the Queen learned about her eggs being murdered again, she didn't go into the violet fit like she did in The Last Heir, but instead she just grieved in silence and even later advocated for Turtle after Gill scolded him unfairly. This is why I believe Queen Coral used to be a calm and collected person, and after all that happened to her she devolved into this psycho maniac, who would let her guards bleed out onto her carpet and would pull out teeth out of dragons who failed her. And, just to be clear, I'm not saying Queen Coral is a good parent, because oh boy, she is not, and you can see how badly she fucked up her kids just by looking at them. And I wouldn't even say she's a good queen, because she's laughably easy to manipulate, which both Blister and Whirlpool used to their advantage, and also she's enforcing a class division in her kingdom in a very... interesting way. What I'm saying she shouldn't be compared to the likes of Burn, Blister or Scarlet.
Also, the love bombing argument is actually silly to me. If Tui did something right, is that she showed us that despite her going slowly bananas, Queen Coral loves her daughters unconditionally. Orca tries to murder her - she keeps all of her remaining sculptures in the palace to honor her. Tsunami leaves during an attack on the Summer Palace - she's still happy to see her every time she gets a chance to do so. Anemome wanders off to kill her and also murders Queen's favourite scribe - she's still her favourite daughter. That's definitely NOT something a cult leader does.
And by the end of the video I feel like while some people forgot to read about Coral's faults, and you forgot to read every passage in the first series when the characters criticized her. She's not Tui's self insert. Sunny's the closest to her self insert from the main cast, I believe. And every character that met Queen Coral criticizes her for her overprotectiveness, her impressionability, her violent behavior, her dishonesty, her spinelessness, her occasional, unnecessary cruelty. I believe someone compared her to Sunny once and Sunny got wildly offended. Unless Tui wants people to be offended then they are compared to her, she didn't make Coral her to be her self insert. That's just ridiculous of you to say and even kinda offensive.
Anenome's face in the speedpaint tho XD
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I feel like people like Coral so much because she was the least bad of the first arc queens
What about moorhen we don’t really know much about her but she is seemingly a pretty good character you could also make an arguement for glacier
@@tsaralexis9459 I suppose but Moorhen is so forgettable she barely counts and Glacier was not in the first ark very much. So while they are not very bad they are forgettable, making Coral, who is very memorable, more prominent in the mind of the reader.
@@wolfiegirlxox good point
One time I wanted to do a fanfiction of one of Coral’s unnamed sons name Tidal wave(oc) who grows to despise his own culture believing it to be toxic and very discriminative towards males like him.
One day he left not only the kingdom but Pyrrhia itself to another world ruled by Raptors where a King rules the tribes and becomes a king himself.
Oh i realized she could be abuser idk why she kept anemone like a tadpole, poor her
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People got the impression that Coral was a good person? She carries Anemone around on a leash. Her lost child Tsunami returns one day and the first thing she does is lock up her friends and start lying to her. She kills a guard because that guard was let off duty by her commander, Coral’s own brother Shark. She can’t even remember her son’s names. She’s delusional enough to keep her eggs in the royal hatchery even though it’s proven to be completely compromised.
The average SeaWing is more likely to die form Coral’s delusion than average SkyWings are from Scarlet’s bloodlust imo.
Don’t forget that she literally lets a f creep (Whirlpool) be near her daughter-
There is more than coral than meets the eye, coral has seen her own children's mangled bodies infront of her, she is so desprate to have just ONE, one child, and when she finally gets it, she is not letting go of them, now she has one, two, THREE children! And honestly she deserves it, i would kill someone for not protecting my child well enough too
I wouldn’t be surprised if Coral isn’t at least partly the reason why Turtle is as anxious as he is.
I thought Coral was a very nice queen when I first read book 2.
Now I regret that thought.
All hail Queen Orca
I love your art!
When I was first reading wof I really thought Coral would be one of the main villains of the arc
this person literally sounds like my friend, Puppy howler
I genuinely would've been happier if Orca won the challenge tbh.
This anyalisis may explain why Coral didn't find anything wrong with Whirlpool.
I personally don't think Coral is supposed to be justified in her behavior. At least, that's not how I saw it when I read the books as a kid. I don't think the author would write themselves as a self-insert where they keep their kid on a leash, marry them off to a gross dragon who died, and murder everyone who goes against their wishes, yknow? I always thought she was supposed to be portrayed as abusive and an asshole, just that she wasn't dethroned because the opportunity didn't present itself in narrative.
I 100% agree with everything you just said. Queen Coral is the worst type of villain. She’s an abusive mother.
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I really must agree with this I read the book and graphic novel and reading both gave a visual and idea of what Coral was doing and yeah she sure is questionable
Queen coral also pulled out all of tortoises teeth for failing her. And she kills dragons who disappoint her like that dragon at the start who was I’ll and became unconscious letting a dragonet die!
I meant ill not I’ll
Art is what I mean to say
In all honesty, Coral reads as naive and emotionally damaged to me. That doesn't give her an excuse to do the things she does in the books, but maybe she'd be better if she had more of a guide. I will say, the council was a really smart decision on her part. She just needs to listen to it more. The emotional damage definitely came from all her possible heirs being killed before hatching. I can easily see why she's overbearing. She comes off as naive to me from how easily she was manipulated by Blister. But yes, throwing an adult as a sexual partner to a literal child is wrong as all fuck. There is no excuse to that.
Like she literal had Blister breifly as an advisor. She constantly turned to Blister for guidance and advice. So their is merit to your words.
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Did tsunami tell queen coral that she killed her father in the series?
Summarising the whole video in a sentence: Anemone’s mum is a Karen and Anemine was turned into the Karen child.
We don't know if Queen Coral ordered Shark to chain up Clay. This was implied but had never been confirmed nor disproven.
i feel like she was getting built up to die in book 2, or arc 2 or 1, but there was too much going on and tui couldnt fit a major side character's death into all the stuff going on
Let's not forget she threatened to kill Tsunami if she failed to protect her egg, and doesn't seem to ponder the reasoning for failure at all, meaning if Tsunami had failed she probably would've killed her without any thought of why or how it would've affected Anemone or the world as a whole.
I don't know if Queen Coarl who ordo to put the chain on Clay or if Shark ordo to put the chain on Clay
She is draging her kid around 😅😅😅
Это крутой арт!
Does anyone one else think that coral overreacted when starflight said about how webs kinda saved tsunami because webs grabbed her before the statue got her
soons you said soons when you said turtle is one of her soons
Since I do not have headphones currently, I watch stuff like this on no sound, and subtitles. I turned them on for this one, and WTH
Excerpt from subtitles: introfrend Vinhomes Dragon Aegean burnaware overload against your phone or not is right reserved in public search….
IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING THIS PROBLEM OR IS IT JUST ME!?!?
Yes, I had noticed that too, that Queen Coral has such a certain abusive tendency.
Are you aware that the capture of child or adolescent dragons is also an indication of child trafficking or slave trade of children, a serious crime that exists on our earth and is hardly addressed ? After all, the dragon children were also kidnapped, sometimes sold by their parents or stolen from their parents. That is also part of the child trade. The author Tui enlightens us a little. Before I started reading Wings of Fire, I had learned about this issue of child trafficking. This is why I find Tui's books so special and important for clarification.
I have a HATRED for queen coral, she is a terrible queen and mother! Honestly, if she didn't know that Tsunami and her friends were the DoD, i bet she would have had them executed, or used them as a bargaining chip! I would rather have ORCA as queen of the seawings than Coral, (AND ORCA PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CAUSED ANOTHER MASSACRE AND MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE WIPED OUT THE ENTIRE TRIBE)
No offense to anyone who likes queen coral! This is my opinion, please don't attack me in the comments, and feel free to share your opinions and thoughts!
Have a good day/night/afternoon!
I can see the a few reasons why Queen Coral is so abusive to everyone. 1.She might have PTSD from killing Orca and doesn't want to feel that way ever again, so not only is she overprotective but also lashes out constantly to any who would dare question her being wrong about things, as well as she feeling that she will forever be a victim in her own kingdom. 2.Queen Coral is acting like the same way her mother did because the Kingdom Of The Sea has always had problems when it comes to being morally correct and being kind to not just their own tribe but other tribes in general, after all this kind of behavior has been happening way before Queen Coral was even born in the Darkstalker legends book which takes place 2,000 years ago the Seawing tribe act basically the same way as they do today. 3.Since the Seawing royal bloodline has always had the chance to breed animus', one of the Seawing animus' may have cursed the entire tribe to always have a negative aura/community/royalty. These are just theories but you can pick them apart if you want and perhaps there could one day be a video about what The Kingdom Of The Sea needs to do in order to truly be a safe kingdom again? I think it would be interesting to talk about.
I mean after the attacks (orca) and tsunami got kidnapped, it would be logical coral would want to protect her children, she never wanted to kill orca, and coral was afraid to lose her other children too. Sure she killed dragons but she was trying to make sure her kids would live and not end up like orca.
And I thought
queen coral was my favorite queen.
To be honest, Queen Coral is the type who overexagerates.
honestly when i read this my immediate thought was that she was a bad guy and it wasn't until i met another wof fan that i realized she was supposed to be good (i was 9 when i first read the books)
This is the reason why Queen Coral is one of my least favorite characters!
She's your favorite BECAUSE she's abusive?
@@enderwalkgang LEAST favorite. I don’t like her at all. Least favorite means you really don’t like the characters.
Your videos are pretty intelligently made and insightful. Are you presently at a high school education level or a college education level?
I'm in high school right now so you're right! Thank you for your compliment!
@@5rcane okay cool. Did you take AP Biology or just honors/gifted biology?
Why does it sound like you're saying "an enemy" rather than anemone?
Coral is among the WORST MOTHERS IN WOF and that’s saying a lot, because there are some horrible mothers 0_0
also shes a bad queen cuz when the palace was being attacked she fled while others die putting her own safety before she gave a second thought about all the dragons and drongonets that where dying. like queen thorn is a good queen cuz u hear about here sacrificing her life to not only find her stolen daughter but she was willing to trust quibly giving her an earring to protect her while coral seems to think anyone lower then her is pathetic.
coral hate club
SERIOUSLY! Coral pulled Tortises teeth out! With Enemy, couldn’t she notice it was terrifying ENEMY! And what about the time when Coral was willing to make Enemy go insane and try to murder just to win the warrr??? Sounds abusive to me!
Me when I say the title: WELL NO S***!
at least she didnt try to commit genocie unlike SOME dragons (looking at you Mastermind, Darkstalter, Wasp)
Coral is a really complicated dragon. I don’t like her very much, as she doesn’t care too much about her daughters’ opinions.
First two Points about her sons I agree but I have to contradict about Turtle: Sure, Turtle may be alone with only his brothers and care takers , He still wanted to be like his mother and in his book Coral did show affection towards him and promising to no to forget his name and it was bonding , as said by her voice . He is not treated like Coral's daughters as he doesn't have a harness and doesn't bring him every where like she does with Anemone but that s also a point added to your list that Coral is Abusive.
I have to contradict another point with her daughter Tsunami: Coral was not love-bombing as she always wished that they never stole her and showed affection . This also tells why Coral didn't forgive Webs and Punished him instead but this is also another point to your list as well because hurting someone who tried to do peace is abusive .
I have to contradict another point : Anemone was not rude due to Coral , But most likely by her animus spells that Whirlpool forced her to do . She only wanted to impress Darkstalker as she could finally meet someone who she thought understands her as how stressful it can be while being a animus.
Another Point to contradict : She did give the orders to lock the Dragonets of Destiny but she never told Shark to lock Clay . That is probably why she punished Shark into the dungeon but that will also make another point to your list as that is also abusive.
Another Point to contradict : She pushed Whirlpool by accident and didn't mean it so that means that she is NOT pushing over at that moment to be herself . She only went back to Coral to be safe NOT to be abused .
But I still agree with you in the most part
I thought she did infact lock him up and was faking surprise to heat this.
I think you need to learn athing about psychology. A very sheltered person can grow up to be very selfish person- selfish because they think (or do) deserve to have what they never had growing up. Your points don't really work.
Queen coral just missunderstood!
Nope. She let a pedo almost marry her underaged children- including one who literally just hatched. Gross.
@@enderwalkgang wasn't she under influence or something? Also if she knew that um what his name was a pedo and evil she of not done it
@@enderwalkgang Also she was under a lot of stress and just made bad dicisions till she was free of statue curse and that sandwing
@@DragonProtector Nope. She literally encouraged her underage daughter to marry him and didn't protest when he said he wanted to marry her literally just hatched dragonet.
@@DragonProtector She wasn't under any influences and her treatment of Anemome and her son's continued after Blister stopped being 'her friend and ally'
This is why I made a evil royal Seawing Oc named octopi that has a grudge against queen coral for abandoning her because of her purple scales and kills her in the future.
Update: She’s now angry because queen coral took the throne and decided to mind control her with her animus powers,now she has a TON of lore that I’m too lazy to write. I’m swapping names for her since I don’t know which one I want. I wanna name her manta but I feel her old one is more fitting. Octavia maybe? Another update: Named her manta,it fits like butter on bread.
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