It’s weird, but when you mentioned that Lee Morgan played it referencing Clifford Brown, I immediately guessed that it was this particular line, even though I was totally unaware that it was a quote, and I was not familiar with any of these other instances. My mind just went there straight away “oh, I bet it’s that little lick”. It always stood out to me, and I don’t know why. I’ve played it many times myself as a reference to Clifford. Great video!
Holy Jazz Gods! I've been an ardent Jazz listener for 55 years and am nowhere near as advanced as you all. So cool. So fun. So sophisticated. So knowledgeable. Wow. Way to go you all.
Yes! I remember noticing the two versions on the Clifford Brown & Max Roach record when it was first issued on CD in the late 1980s. Always wondered if there was a story behind it...
I had an old teacher who introduced this quote as the melody to the tune "All This And Heaven Too". I believe it was composed for the movie of the same name in 1940. Guessing it was a popular film and that the listening audiences back then caught the reference but now it seems like the quote has outlived its original source.
Thanks for tracing down those notes! Of course, Dexter Gordon was famous for pioneering the practice of incorporating snippets of other melodies (familiar and unfamiliar) into his solos. It was one notable feature of his playful style. Hard to say if it's him or Wardell Gray on "The Chase," though. It's kind of like sampling decades before sampling -- the equivalent of the Apache drum break in hip-hop!
Great video. Quotes are such a hard thing to trace-back, despite it being such an integral part of the jazz idiom. My favourite use of this quote is Dave Brubeck on Kathy's Waltz at 3:26, where you hear it in 3/4!
Super cool video. I think there are many "quotes" in jazz; not a rare thing, although 'discovering' the lineage to a particular bar or passage is pretty interesting and, as you said, just plain fun.
Dorsey died tragically in 1956 and was a giant in the industry, could be a nod to him. Or maybe an inside joke amongst these musicians? Very cool Mike, thanks.
that's a really fun video ! i have the art blakey album and i didn't even now that what's played on the record has been covered by different artists ! that's interesting !😂
Awesome! So yeah Wardell and Dexter were probably just quoting this melody, and maybe Clifford and Lee. But at some point it became absorbed into the jazz vocabulary / licks vernacular, and I'm sure tons of players play the phrase without knowing the origin or original melody. Two songs with a similar story; "If I Love Again," and "You're Driving Me Crazy." I first heard Cannonball quote "Crazy" at his solo entrance on the Kenny Clarke version of "Bohemia After Dark" before I ever knew it was from the original melody.
Love this idea. You want the DEEP cut? Too many were obsessed by "the lick" years back. What they missed was the MAIRZY DOATS quote that every other bebopper used to play. Bird loved that quote more than Honeysuckle Rose, yet very few talk about quoting Mairzy Doats. I picked up on the quote from watching Twin Peaks--where the dad would dance with everyone... If you know, you know.
Funny and interesting video, Mike 😅. Dexter ofte quoted small parts of other tunes in his solos - more so than any other musician I can think of. Hope to “meet” you soon (a Friday maybe).
This is the song "All This and Heaven Too". Other oft quoted songs include "While My Lady Sleeps", "Love is a Simple Thing", "In an English Country Garden", and a Scottish folk song I forget the name of, but if you hear it you'll instantly say "Hey, it's that jazz quote!" Anyone know which one I mean?
@@JazzBums I asked around and got a title on that Irish (not Scottish) tune: "The Kerry Dance". Turns out it's not a folk song but was written in the 30s by someone named James Lyman Molloy. Somehow it filtered down to Bird and then a zillion other jazz musicians!
I was singing this lick the other day by coincedence... off the top of my head I can think of Kenny Burrell doing it a lot in the 50's, I can think of "These Foolish Things" on "Softly As A Summer Breeze" by Jimmy Smith.
An odd quote that stuck in my head was seeing Miles live in ‘89.. he played the “Robert De Niro’s Waiting” hook by Bananarama.. can’t remember which tune he threw that on. 2 other highly quoted licks I can think of are “Woody Woodpecker” (especially by Bird) and “The Inch Worm”..
@@JazzBums "The Lick" he's referencing has become a meme among younger jazz musicians (and it is indeed a super common phrase). Best place to start is this video by a guy named Alex Heitlinger titled "The Lick": th-cam.com/video/krDxhnaKD7Q/w-d-xo.html
I watch this video in the midst of having listened to this video of Chris Potter on "I Love You" a couple hundred times in the last week. He plays a tasty version of this lick during a iii-vi-ii-v vamp near the end - th-cam.com/video/tmQT_1fjO9s/w-d-xo.html
The original only sounds like the first half of the lick so it’s strange everybody else plays the second half the same. I’m not convinced it’s based on this but I agree they’re all referencing the same thing
It's not a quote as such, but a cliche of the jazz idiom. There are tons of them and if you listen, you will hear them everywhere. They are devices that allow one to play over changes. Improvisation is built from common phrases in the language, and this is one of them.
I've played that Moanin so many times I can play the solo on my guitar! That solo by Lee BTW is thought of as one of the top ten trumpet solos of all time by some critics. Dexter Gordon did that a lot ---playing popular phrases while he was soloing. Mclean plays some of it. What might be done is to hear what they played after that phrase. I know what Lee played after that I've heard it so many times. Great job!
Great video - one of my professors cited this tune as the origin of this lick: th-cam.com/video/UsB7RK9iiS8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=The78Prof It's definitely slower but you can hear it!
It’s both conscious and unconscious. It’s part of the language. It’s like saying “hey, how are ya?”. If you’re a thinking musician, you are thinking ahead and making decisions on what to play even as you are playing. And if you’ve played something before, it can easily come out again.
Coltrane uses it on “With a Song in My Heart” on the record “Sonny’s Crib.” He actually uses it as a motive throughout the course of his solo.
Thanks for sharing! Would have loved to included this one in the video! Added to the description. -- Mike
It’s weird, but when you mentioned that Lee Morgan played it referencing Clifford Brown, I immediately guessed that it was this particular line, even though I was totally unaware that it was a quote, and I was not familiar with any of these other instances. My mind just went there straight away “oh, I bet it’s that little lick”. It always stood out to me, and I don’t know why. I’ve played it many times myself as a reference to Clifford.
Great video!
Ive been waiting for years for someone to talk about this. Thank you!
Holy Jazz Gods! I've been an ardent Jazz listener for 55 years and am nowhere near as advanced as you all. So cool. So fun. So sophisticated. So knowledgeable. Wow. Way to go you all.
I remember hearing that lick multiple times on that Clifford Brown 10” but was not aware of it being a quote used since 1939. Very cool.
Yes! I remember noticing the two versions on the Clifford Brown & Max Roach record when it was first issued on CD in the late 1980s. Always wondered if there was a story behind it...
KD plays it on Live at The Cafe Bohemia volume 2 with Blakey/Messengers in one of the best constructed solo ever. First solo.
I had an old teacher who introduced this quote as the melody to the tune "All This And Heaven Too". I believe it was composed for the movie of the same name in 1940. Guessing it was a popular film and that the listening audiences back then caught the reference but now it seems like the quote has outlived its original source.
Yes, I mention all this and heaven too at the end, but I reference the Tommy Dorsey version with Frank Sinatra - Mike
Thanks for tracing down those notes! Of course, Dexter Gordon was famous for pioneering the practice of incorporating snippets of other melodies (familiar and unfamiliar) into his solos. It was one notable feature of his playful style. Hard to say if it's him or Wardell Gray on "The Chase," though. It's kind of like sampling decades before sampling -- the equivalent of the Apache drum break in hip-hop!
Great video. Quotes are such a hard thing to trace-back, despite it being such an integral part of the jazz idiom. My favourite use of this quote is Dave Brubeck on Kathy's Waltz at 3:26, where you hear it in 3/4!
Fascinating! Thank you for all of this!
Great subject and video! I tip my hat to you Sir.
Really interesting video, Mike! So many incredible albums featured that lick! Thanks for putting this information out there
That was brilliant. That tune can stick in your head. Cheers Mike.
@@scottspinner1 thanks George!
Super cool video. I think there are many "quotes" in jazz; not a rare thing, although 'discovering' the lineage to a particular bar or passage is pretty interesting and, as you said, just plain fun.
Something completely different. Very interesting. Many thanks!
Very cool - great research!
Thank! -- Mike
Dorsey died tragically in 1956 and was a giant in the industry, could be a nod to him. Or maybe an inside joke amongst these musicians? Very cool Mike, thanks.
The quote was mentioned in Thomas Owens' book "Bebop: the Music and Its Players" (1995), page 89.
Thanks! I’ll check it out - Mike
Awesome. Thanks Mike.
It is also Kenny Dorham's opening idea on Like Someone In Love, Live at the Cafe Bohemia, Volume 2 with Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, 1955.
He also quotes "Anything,You Can Do, I Can Do Better" later in the same solo, which is one of his classic solos, IMHO.
Very cool! Thanks! Hank Jones' transmutes it to some sort of minor key, but not a standard minor scale.
Superb video, Mike!
Thanks CJ!
Fun subject! Horace Silver quotes the melody of Venus De milo in his solo on his song “The Outlaw” at about 3:35
Mind blown!!
Great video Mike!
@@Threedog84 thanks!
Oh wow. This was an interesting find.
Fantastic and very interesting!
@@dg723254 thanks!
I wish I had my old record collection (12") from before the fire. 4000 albums. Thank you for this research and video. I want to subscribe.
that's a really fun video ! i have the art blakey album and i didn't even now that what's played on the record has been covered by different artists ! that's interesting !😂
Me too!
Awesome! So yeah Wardell and Dexter were probably just quoting this melody, and maybe Clifford and Lee. But at some point it became absorbed into the jazz vocabulary / licks vernacular, and I'm sure tons of players play the phrase without knowing the origin or original melody. Two songs with a similar story; "If I Love Again," and "You're Driving Me Crazy." I first heard Cannonball quote "Crazy" at his solo entrance on the Kenny Clarke version of "Bohemia After Dark" before I ever knew it was from the original melody.
A few more of "Heaven" :
th-cam.com/video/X8vqZw581HE/w-d-xo.html
@@Yonkworf fantastic, thanks for sharing. Will check it out! - Mike
Very fun analysis Mike.
How about any Chuck berry riff in rock. Even just Keef’s use. Oh boy, you’re gonna need some time.
Thanks always,
Tony
@@wickedexile4531 thanks Tony! Will check it out - Mike
Love this idea. You want the DEEP cut? Too many were obsessed by "the lick" years back. What they missed was the MAIRZY DOATS quote that every other bebopper used to play. Bird loved that quote more than Honeysuckle Rose, yet very few talk about quoting Mairzy Doats. I picked up on the quote from watching Twin Peaks--where the dad would dance with everyone... If you know, you know.
Mares eat oats --Does eat oats
Funny and interesting video, Mike 😅.
Dexter ofte quoted small parts of other tunes in his solos - more so than any other musician I can think of.
Hope to “meet” you soon (a Friday maybe).
Amazing!
You are awesome! I have to know what makes you so obsessed on these types of things? I could see myself doing this.
Thanks Jimmy, ha, just a thing that I notice after I was made aware of it. Very glad you liked the video! - Mike
This is the song "All This and Heaven Too". Other oft quoted songs include "While My Lady Sleeps", "Love is a Simple Thing", "In an English Country Garden", and a Scottish folk song I forget the name of, but if you hear it you'll instantly say "Hey, it's that jazz quote!" Anyone know which one I mean?
A sample of the all this and heaven too is included at the end of this video. Thanks for mentioning these others, will check them out! - Mike
@@JazzBums I asked around and got a title on that Irish (not Scottish) tune: "The Kerry Dance". Turns out it's not a folk song but was written in the 30s by someone named James Lyman Molloy. Somehow it filtered down to Bird and then a zillion other jazz musicians!
I was singing this lick the other day by coincedence... off the top of my head I can think of Kenny Burrell doing it a lot in the 50's, I can think of "These Foolish Things" on "Softly As A Summer Breeze" by Jimmy Smith.
Very interesting and cool! I kinda like Clifford Brown’s and Horace Silver’s version the best
where is the into bass and piano from at the first few seconds of your video?
An odd quote that stuck in my head was seeing Miles live in ‘89.. he played the “Robert De Niro’s Waiting” hook by Bananarama.. can’t remember which tune he threw that on. 2 other highly quoted licks I can think of are “Woody Woodpecker” (especially by Bird) and “The Inch Worm”..
fun video!!😅
@@AlanSenzaki thanks Alan! - Mike
Great video
I'd love to know if this is from a classical theme or a standard tune. But who knows.
I played the quote into google AI melody recognizing software, but it didn’t identify it.
it's 'All This and Heaven Too' by Jimmy Van Heusen
Do you know about "The Lick"? Check that out, it's used in a million different jazz songs.
Ba da-da da-da da daaa
I’ll check it out. Thanks! - Mike
@@JazzBums "The Lick" he's referencing has become a meme among younger jazz musicians (and it is indeed a super common phrase). Best place to start is this video by a guy named Alex Heitlinger titled "The Lick": th-cam.com/video/krDxhnaKD7Q/w-d-xo.html
Nicky Hill’s !!!
Step aside "The Lick", There's A new sherriff in town 😂
I think it might be time for an intervention
🤣
I watch this video in the midst of having listened to this video of Chris Potter on "I Love You" a couple hundred times in the last week. He plays a tasty version of this lick during a iii-vi-ii-v vamp near the end -
th-cam.com/video/tmQT_1fjO9s/w-d-xo.html
The original only sounds like the first half of the lick so it’s strange everybody else plays the second half the same. I’m not convinced it’s based on this but I agree they’re all referencing the same thing
It's not a quote as such, but a cliche of the jazz idiom. There are tons of them and if you listen, you will hear them everywhere. They are devices that allow one to play over changes. Improvisation is built from common phrases in the language, and this is one of them.
I've played that Moanin so many times I can play the solo on my guitar! That solo by Lee BTW is thought of as one of the top ten trumpet solos of all time by some critics. Dexter Gordon did that a lot ---playing popular phrases while he was soloing. Mclean plays some of it. What might be done is to hear what they played after that phrase. I know what Lee played after that I've heard it so many times. Great job!
Did folks not know the quote was “All this and Heaven too”? I didn’t realize it was a mystery…
@@PeckAllmond apparently so
Thank you Peck!
thanks - mystery solved beyond a doubt lol
Been quoting this forever. Crazy lineage.
th-cam.com/video/3tClOAYwkPI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WftoVCehmByUnDnY
Here's the melody that the quote is quoting!
Great video - one of my professors cited this tune as the origin of this lick: th-cam.com/video/UsB7RK9iiS8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=The78Prof
It's definitely slower but you can hear it!
Whoop just saw you cited this at the end of the video, jumped the gun sorry lol
No problem, thanks for sharing anyway! - Mike
I'm mystified how this comes about. It's a short lick, nothing special really. Did the players pick up on it consciously or subconsciously?
It’s both conscious and unconscious. It’s part of the language. It’s like saying “hey, how are ya?”. If you’re a thinking musician, you are thinking ahead and making decisions on what to play even as you are playing. And if you’ve played something before, it can easily come out again.