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Adobe really turned their product into ransomware.
This is 100% what that is.
It's the hip thing to do, it seems.
I do not agree, they have to use excessive terms and conditions otherwise it would not be possible for their software to work as there are cloud functions (e.g they must get your data in order to do generative fill which I am using a lot). Other thing is machine learning part but you can opt out of this. Only negative thing is that content analysis is is turned on by default.
Adobe contant analysis FAQ: Let's say that you access Creative Cloud or Document Cloud via a personal account and prefer that Adobe doesn't analyze your content to develop and improve our products and services. In that case, you may turn off content analysis at any time from your Adobe account
opt out is highly important for me, because I scan confidential documents into document cloud
Saying you either give me all your stuff or you never get your stuff back again is basically robbery.
No, you can submit a GDPR data request. But yes, still unethical
@@LESLEYYY0 Only if you live in the EU. Anywhere else, you are fucked.
not basically. it is robbery. but it is legal unless challenged in court. who has 1 billion dollans?
@@LESLEYYY0 Unfortunately, only if you are in the EU.
Also, what is it with YT deleting my comments?
It's called ransomware...
when piracy removes the malware instead of adding it
real
Soo true
Don't even pirate this garbage.
Use better software.
@@ProGentlemanis there anything better than substance painter ?
@@ProGentlemanAfter using Sony Vegas, Final Cut and Adobe. Sad to say Adobe is the best one. But pirating is probably the best option at this point. Ain't got to agree to no bs terms then 😂
Adobe is now a ransomware company.
These are the same companies who lost their minds over IP violations. Yet their AI gets to access/steal YOUR IP.
"Access to free stuff for me, not for thee"
Adobe was always evil. I lived near cro of adobe branch in my country, he was perfectly representing adobe, huge dickwad, was driving ultra expensive cars some for 3m+ while laying minimal wage to regular workers. Eventually got arrested for tax evasion...
If my IP is yours to take as you please, then yours is mine to take as I please.
@@jer1776 yarr
All of capitalism is hypocrisy.
When Adobe went to the "rental software" model is when I stopped using Adobe products.
Most people didn’t do that.
Same.
Me too.
Had to quickly make a job yesterday on Photoshop and I was slapped in the face with a forced arbitration popup that blocks me from using Photoshop.
To tell you I was pissed off is an understatement. Blocked all adobe services in hosts and yohoho, fuck you Adobe.
I use GIMP
try krita it is better for painting
@@seanfaherty Gimp? Really now? You obviously have no idea about Photoshop and its functions.
And no, I'm not in favor of Adobe's blackmail.
@@haraldschmidt8828 none whatsoever.
If I want an image I draw or paint it then digitize.
What I do works for me.
I’m sure paying through the ass works for you.
I did try that Krita for a bit.
I prefer oils
@@haraldschmidt8828 Yeah, GIMP sucks so hard that I can't believe people still promote it. If you want drawing, you get Krita. If you want vectors you get Inkscape. But GIMP? This thing is like a monument to all of the issues with switching to open source.
This is a NDA nightmare, a violation of privacy in so many levels. As someone who’s been in tech since the 90s, I feel like for every single service that you have to purchase for work or pleasure nowadays comes with strings that are just not worth the hassle. I crave ownership of the things that I purchase - to use how I see fit and without any strings attached.
Switch to open source alternatives. Blender, Gimp, Krita, LibreOffice..... they're the only ones that give true freedom with no strings attached.
This is where ESG is going. You'll own nothing, and be..... "happy".
It's not just that they're scanning and using it, but that THEY GIVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT TO OWN A WORLDWIDE LICENSE TO IT. Section 4.2!
If this is indeed serious, holy shit, no professional can touch adobe to work with anymore, wtf
Insane.
They couldn't possibly get away with that. Other Fortune 500 legal teams would throw a complete fit. Or at least they should.
So effectively, by using Adobe's software, your copyright kinda becomes void since they can reproduce it and probably pass it onto a generative AI model.
And since AI generated works have been declared to not have copyright as far as I know, then yeah, you're also losing the right to defend your work from everyone.
damn, if adobe was bought out they'd own like half of the world's intellectual property since now.
Worst part is? Not a single company that does this waits for you to click 'accept'. The moment that update went live, your data was scraped, whether you agree or not. No development company ties the kick off of new functionality to the 'accept' button on T&C's.
Should be legislated ?
I feel the Adobe ‘s of this world rely on only a tiny % of their users reading changes to the agreement
@@joeblue2492 This is litterly against the law in a lot of countries outside the US. Adobe will have to either end business in those countries or else be fined millions of dollars or undo this policy. Infact... they didn't announce this when you installed the program, therefore.... it's also against EU regulation.
Oh please, they didn't wait for this T&C to go out, they were probably already doing this for months, and are just now getting around to actually telling people.
@@jason2mate exactly. and that's why it was 'accept or else'. because the decision was taken (and acted upon) long ago.
@flalspspsl6858 "Creative Cloud" is not cloud based software, you still install the client on your pc.
This is going to turn into a security nightmare for businesses
That's actually my biggest hope with this. Given some of the very large creative companies that I know use their products, this has to be a legal can of worms for Adobe just waiting to blow!
@@commentinglife6175 This won't happen with large companies, unless the large companies sign off on it. They are likely to make an exception to large companies, no?
@@Jon-d8j I'm betting you are correct, but we shall see. Can also hope those agreements leak so us plebes can see the crap that Adobe is claiming access to that they agree not to do for the big companies.
@@commentinglife6175 adobe intends that, they don't want their competitors to use photoshop
Security is a fucking joke. How many times you get letters this year telling you that there was a huuuuuuuuuge data breach about 3 years ago and they identified that your account has been affected?
How many letters? I've gotten 12 for the year 2023 so far! Still getting 2023's letters in 2024! Security is an absolute *L I E.* What it really does is keep outside criminals from looking at what the internal criminals are stealing.
Wait until not only you have to pay for access, allow them access to gather all your data and hold it to ransom if you don't pay the monthly subscription fee, but also when they demand a royalty payment for the work you created using their software so they get a cut of your success.
The days of "if its free, you're the product" is long gone. Now everyone paying is also the product.
“Now everyone paying is also the product.”
Huh, I remember saying that exact thing and got downvoted into oblivion, in a privacy subreddit nonetheless.
It would be insane to think that these for-profit, infinite growth chasing, privacy violating companies would not be tracking us just because we pay a few dollars a month a for a mere online service. Why would they pass that up? It’s free real estate.
@@WaylandGaming Your first mistake was using reddit.
Check the general terms section 4.2, you're allowing them to use your private data for any public purpose royalty-free:
4.2 Licences to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, licence, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform and translate the Content.
@@rfitzgerald2004looking forward to people getting copyright claims levelled against their own artwork
@@rfitzgerald2004 Terms in Secton 69.420 All employees of Adobe must sexually service me on demand and are unable to refuse.
Oh too late. Looks like everyone at Adobe is now under my binding Terms of Service they automatically opted into when I made a transaction with them! Haha!
I cancelled my CC permanently after over two decades of Adobe. Everyone should. Affinity is better in every way.
Thanks for the clue! I started using Photoshop 4 and went through a lot of "upgrades" to Photoshop CS4, which Adobe doesn't bother supporting. Ripoff merchants. I paid a lot for these versions, I wish I had've used the pirated ones instead.
Remember when UbiSoft said: "You will own nothing, and you will like it." Pepperridge Farms remembers.
We will own nothing, because they forced us to own nothing. But that still don't mean 'we will like it'.
Only if this gets normalized will we 'like it'.
DON'T LET THEM NORMALIZE IT!!!!
Thousand of people agree to new terms like this all the time without even thinking about the implications. And for those who do think about it, they click anyway because they need to get their work done. It's already normalized.
I believe the World Economic Forum also said this, I think they carry a bit more weight than UbiSoft, and it's true. If you miss payments on your Tesla, they can disable your car. If your iPhone breaks, you have to get Apple to fix it. I remember having to pay $750+ because my iPhone 7+ stopped working in 2019 and they said it had 'water damage', even though it's never been splashed, let alone gone swimming, so the only option was to buy a replacement phone of the same model. If I wanted the latest model, I had to pay even more. And what choice did I have, really? I could have said F-it, I'm just gonna buy a new Android at that price, but then I'd lose all my data. You pay these companies so much money and they still own you, years later.
@@pvanukoff,
In a way, yes that is somewhat true. But that's why piracy, safe piracy (programs with no added malware), is more important than ever. The only way to take back ownership of programs, is to pirate a copy.
Remember what Gabe Newell said:
"Piracy is a result of bad service on the part of game companies."
Well that can apply to any software on the net as well. Bad service = More pirates = Taking back private ownership = Less corporate revenue = Possible better service
proper response to this, is to say "then I will buy nothing, and I will love it".
companies have made their crap so impractical to own that nowadays the only logical move is to gtfo and take ur money somewhere else.
@@mandzph,
The only problem with that, is that every company is doing this. So there's really no where else to go. You buy from X crappy company, Y crappy company, or Z crappy company, and they are all doing the same exact thing.
To buy nothing, leaves you in the same position, as buying something and still owning nothing. There is one hell of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' game going on here.
Adobe is one of the most consistent companies in the software industry.... Consistently ruining the users experience with 20+ year old code while charging increasing prices all the time while doing their best to take every penny from your wallet
"I changed the terms of our deal. Pray I don't change them again!" - Darth Vader
"Take off your fucking cape and mask you anti-consumer clown" - Louis
“I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further!”
At least Vader is cool while saying it. Adobe is just a shit company full of greedy suits.
Nice
@@Real_MisterSir They are owners of Sith Corp. And sith is an anagram for shit.
That's what happens when you say "it doesn't affect me" one too many times
This will not go well in the EU. It breachers the GDPR here.
The EU is too incompetent to consistently enforce anything they did that is good. The only thing we are left with are those EFFING COOKIE DIALOGS ON EVERY FFING WEBSITE WE VISIT. That kind of BS the EU can do.
I should really move to the eu….
Yea this gonna be an utter shitshow here in EU.
However, I'm probably still gonna pirate it at the end of the year since they also decided to arbitrarily up their license prices out of nowhere.. Fuck that. Adobe can go suck a dick and I'll gladly inform my clients that I'm pirating the software I use in my design services.. As if Adobe is gonna even dare think the thought of spying on this stuff.
Funny that you mention that. I'm in the EU and it seems there is still no recent ToS update. Last one I have is from February, just checked.
I cancelled my adobe subscription the MINUTE I opened it up and saw that notice. I refuse to give any more of my money to people who treat me like that.
Louis, thank you for the relentless protection of user rights against all these evil money grubbing corporations. You are working for the betterment of everyone and I just wanted to thank you for that.
Thanks for continuing to call out companies pushing awful practices
I always cautious from the first time Adobe offered Cloud based service, they would become a Ransomware. What do you know, they did it.
I learned the hard way that any software that saves its data into proprietary format that cannot be opened by another 3rd party software is randsomware.
Everyone stuck in Adobe's system should add a whole bunch of AI generated art into their portfolios, poisoning their new dataset is perfectly legitimate.
There is software such as nightshade and others that poison AI by tricking it in to seeing content as something else (This could potentially lead to AI Halucinations) making the AI unreliable. Highly recommend, especially on Adobe.
@@FoolShortOG Interesting. Essentially a hack in AI terms if that dataset is truly ruining the quality of future output. I dislike that so many once creative art pages online are now overflowing with AI material. At this time at least, it's often still relatively easy to work out what is AI and what isn't
@@FoolShortOG I wouldn't recommend using nightshade, glaze or other adversarial techniques. If you are using illustrator and saving it on the cloud, they will be able to access the image pre-nightshade, and uploading the modified version just gives them a labelled example they could use to train a model to detect or remove the 'poison'. It's also very noticeable and not great visually. But, if you are posting to social media then it might be a sensible option if you think it's not distorting the image too much, because they have basically identical licenses (to my knowledge, I'm not a lawyer lol).
What I do recommend is going in to your adobe account privacy settings and turning off "allow my content to be analyzed by Adobe", and even better: don't use Adobe software, or at the very least avoid their cloud service. If you need to accept the new terms in order to change your account settings, I'd say it's probably worth doing so in order to prevent your data being used for future training sets- they have been saying they use cloud data to train AI since at least 2016, so walking away without changing that setting doesn't stop them using your data that was already licensed to them.
TL;DR: they have your gold. don't give them a locked box full of more gold, just accept their pinky promise with the privacy setting if you haven't, then walk away.
AI art that's been poisoned with Nightshade or Glaze.
I'm still using Adobe Photoshop CS6, the last version before subscription-based slaveware.
I still have Photoshop 7.0.
It's about twenty years old.
But this bullshit is yet another reason why I'm learning CSP instead.
@@Shenorai Got both, because there's some plugins that hate CS6. And it's 7.01 actually, not that the update had that much in it. Ah, the days of software that was stable enough when it shipped...
They've killed the auth servers for CS 3 and 4, effectively making it impossible to reinstall the software. It probably be long before 5 and 6 meet the same fate.
@@swolfington Mine's been running on a VM for years, there won't ever be a reinstall ;) Trading 16GB for "no re-install ever, system backup is 'copy the files' " is a no brainer. One VM has PS7+Corel12, one has PS CS6 +Corelx16,etc... drive space is cheap, time isn't.
( VMWare Workstation is free now, shameless plug for my fave hupervisor :D )
@@swolfington CS2 was legally "free" I think even now
Most of the people I know don't care about their privacy when data is collected by big companies, but when I collect their data they are angry about it
If only we could have cameras in the back rooms where congress makes deals with each other.
I try to tell people all the time, never put anything on the "cloud", it's just someone else's computer and they will have access to it. But I usually just get a blank stare.
Let 'em learn the hard way. That's how most people today have to learn things.
I have watched your content for over a decade (first time commenting). You have always given it to everyone straight. Reddit is blowing up over this as well.
I control at least 100 Adobe Subscriptions and will be cancelling them all next week, and moving them to alternatives (including PDF Editing).
The scariest part of this is the right to keep your own IP. If Adobe can view, modify, and reuse your IP at its discretion, patents and designs, entire branding, and every artists individual creative work can be resold and slapped on a Walmart shirt with no penalty.
I believe an awakening is coming to the IT world. Meraki charging more for the same Dashboard licensing “just because”. Sophos moving away from competitor offers… gtfo.
“Give your money to companies that deserve it” - Excellent Advice
I didn't know I was getting "F'd"... I looked behind me and sure enough....damn.
Yup, and it's by a giant sharp A..that's gonna hurt in the morning..
I knew I felt something back there
Some people woke up with dirty hands and knees and a used prophylactic hanging out of their balloon knot.
@@marcodarko6941 "Balloon knot" 😂😂
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.
I can't even begin to understand why an online connection is mandatory.. LET ALONE them being able to snoop through your private files and whatever the fuck they want, based on terms they can forcefully update at any point.
Why I still run Windows 7.
Did you see the part where they say that they can remove your license if they don't like something you created?
That's what I was thinking, also gives Adobe the right to access your file system for surveillance purposes.
Imagine the Google situation all over again but with Adobe.
Adobe has always been notorous for being extremely difficult to use by customers. Their software was pirated so much that they had to make the lives of actual paying customers miserable. This has to be a nail in the coffin for them
Big tech companies try not to add the most insane and unnecessary TOS after decades' worth of great products and services without them challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
We need more people like you! Today, everyone is afraid to say what's really on their mind. Everyone is scared of accidentally offending someone. It's nice to see someone still has balls! Respect man!
I have two solutions for this problem:
1) Use a virtual machine. (This way, when Adobe installs all of its Spyware on your machine, all they will see is empty folders. )
2) Use alternative software. (The only way these monopolistic companies are going to listen to you, is by speaking with your money.)
how do you get a virtual machine?
@@jameseverett9037 There are 3 ways to install a virtual machine on your computer. 1) Install VMWare 2) Install Virtual Box 3) Use Hyper-V (Windows' own virtual machine software which can be activated if you have Windows Pro). Just do a search for all three of those software right here on TH-cam (i.e- "How to install VmWare" or "How to install VirualBox" etc.). There's a ton of instructional videos. In my opinion, virtual machines are the greatest invention since the computer. I would highly recommend you use them for privacy! (It's free and you got nothing to lose.)
"Oh you wrote a book? That's our paper so that's our book to publish."
I cancelled my CC Photography subscription today after using Lightroom less and less over the past 9 years. The nature of my much of my photography (youth sports action photography - nothing illegal, but nothing I want someone w/ the wrong intentions to get either) made me cringe that those images had the potential be used to train an AI.
Would be interested in any lightroom alternatives for either Windows or Linux.
You paid? I use the pirated copy.
Imagine being a "digital artist."
There ain't much in this world that is pathetic. But holy shit! That might be one of them!
@devilsmed98 Darktable works great for raw processing
Added to my list of canceled subscriptions.
“The junk merchant doesn't sell his product to the consumer, he sells the consumer to his product. He does not improve and simplify his merchandise. He degrades and simplifies the client.”
― William S. Burroughs, Naked Lunch, incredibly relevant in today's age
This!.. 100 Million views please. Everyone needs to hear this.
If Digital isn't ownership, then Piracy isn't theft!
🏴☠
they should make it illegal to require a constant online connection to run any software
It would make MP games illegal. I definitely agree with the sentiment though.
I use Reaper for audio creation. You can work offline as much as you want and keep all functionality.
I've also found that if you decide that you dont want to use Adobe cloud and want to unsubscribe. Till you click Accept". You are NOT allowed to stop giving them money. (they wont let you go to the page to unscrube because the window will pop up once log in)
Plus having to redo EVERYTHING you did in adobe for a client with a NDA agreement and have to tell them, that The project have to be scrabe and redone all over again (after already pouring money and time) or allow Adobe to Freely use those NDA project and have to explain to the client why a photo or video clip from the NDA project is in the Adobe ad for the world to see (before official launch)
👏When Adobe announced their sub-only model a few years back, I announced my largest Spanish Galleon to date. My Adobe runs off the cloud permanently, and I haven't seen dry land in years.
Yar har, wind at your back ladd, wherever you go!
Blue sky above and blue ocean below!
You are a pirate!
Of al the videos, this is the one where an ad for the adobe creative cloud was shown 😂
Going to the high seas for adobe is now a moral obligation
You can sail to the other side to get something bigger than driftwood...
Adobe: "Either you pirate our products, or we'll pirate yours."
I was about to message you about it, after I tried to open my payslip today and saw that shit. GTFO Adobe, there's no f way this is legal btw, accept or you won't be able to access your personal shit.
Love you Louis ❤
We need a simultaneous montage of Louis intro of hey everyone how’s it going from all his videos. It would be cool.
Yeah and at the end have him do his "and as always, I hope you learned something"
If you live in the EU I think you can file a subject access request and they have to turn over everything they have on you.
It's getting to the point where *any* electronic device will not actually be *owned* by the person who bought and paid for it. This applies to everything in our lives - and that just sucks!
Most people (including me) blindly accept terms & conditions without bothering to read them. Companies deliberately make them long and laborious to read, with often difficult to understand legal jargon. However, its amazing when someone does take the time to read them, what scary shit lurks in there. People (including me) should sit up and take note and start reading this stuff...
People obviously didn't take the time to read them even this time as this clause has existed for over a decade. Even then people entirely misunderstood what the clauses are for because most people aren't lawyers who parse it for a living.
This is why I won't even pirate Adobe products. Once you're hooked, you're hooked.
This is why I’ve had pirated adobe apps on my computer for almost 2 years now
During the height of MeToo Shantanu Narayen, Adobe's CEO, had several sexual harassment claims against him. Not certain of the veracity of these claims, but the ethos certainly trickles down adobe and throughout its software and TOS.
“All your graphics are belong to us!”
- Adobe
Props for the 1176 and LA2A shout-out 😎
I wonder what companies are going to do about this when they realize their confidential projects are being combed through and used to feed the Adobe monster.. This almost sounds too stupid to be true.
And of course I get an Adobe Acrobat ad before this video LMAO
I was considering returning to Adobe (after many, many years) for my editing. Damn! I am glad I saw this video first. I can’t beleave they are looking at our stuff, that is absolutely bonkers!
I had to use CC for my last college class, I'm so glad to be free
UPDATE: I'm not free, they're forcing me to give them my card info to an account with funds they can withdraw in order to close my account. I disabled the payments on the paypal side so I guess they're going to keep attempting to charge me until I, Paypal, or Adobe dies?
I grew up in my teens using adobe software, it's the only one I'm proficient with. From the bottom of my heart, FUCK Adobe.
I remember a time when the only people that didnt have the complete Adobe suite and font pack were those that simply didnt want it!!
what alternatives can you guys recommend to lightroom on ipad ? One that has catalog and editing functions. I'm a pro photog and need to edit jobs on the go - with sometimes the need to sync back to my main desktop machine. Al this lightroom can do, but I've had it with Adobe's policies now
There is an alternative to called Darktable but you need to jailbeak the iPad or switch to a differend tablet because Apple does not allow to install desktop apps on iPads despite the fact that iPadOS and MacOSX are the same OS but with differend GUI...
What's next, durex wanting to watch you so you wont breach the terms of license during happy times?
It is morally correct to pirate Adobe software
Correction:
It is *ALWAYS* morally correct to pirate Adobe software.
The always is an important part to specify.
I'm not sure if the term "pirate / pirating" applies here. There is a misconception that pirating is stealing which it is not, it's copying. Also, Photoshop or any other app from adobe is not purchasable, it is a subscription, so how can one "steal" it?
People in the pirating community may not appreciate this take but even if you pirate content someone up the chain has paid for the original copy, somehow, some way and then shares copies of it to seeders and there's also those leechers.
That is why they moved to Software As A Service (SAAS).
Better is to use Free/Libre software that does not bull this bull-crap.
@@Snorlaxiian If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing
Did it in 2004, 20 years later... I was right. XD
Employers and landlords email PDFs all the time. If we click on the new PDFs do we get a terms of service that entitles Adobe to read everything on our computers?
Just leaving a comment for improving the reach of this video! This is just bananas!
Adobe is literally with this move....RANSOMEWARE
I hear you brother. That is why I just canceled my Adobe subscription and am continuing forward with software that is only on my local machine.
Thank you for this video, Louis. I just cancelled my membership. Been long overdue anyway, but this was the straw to break the camel's back. It sucks to have to be completely shifting my environments and ecosystems, but all these companies have forced my hand. The whole, "we can do whatever we want with everything on your device irrespective of if it's unrelated to our product/service" is such a lazy and f***ed up overreach. I fear the current and next generation have locked-in our doom, so I've made the decision to do what I have to do to avoid these shenanigans. Thank you for all your efforts to inform and create awareness, Louis.
adobe sounds so pure like a clay sand and hay concoction blended upon earths surface to form a neutral inhabitance without harm upon the planet it rests upon
Knew this was coming 12 years ago. I still run their last stand-alone version on a closed computer. It may not have all the whistles and bells of the latest version - but who honestly needs it? Because of this, I'll probably never use it again and will find another option.
Adobe: We want to see everything for quality improvement.
U.S. Govt: HIPAA would like to know your location.
I've always said cloud and AI will backfire on us eventually! Every time we centralise and consolidate power... Bad Things will ALWAYS happen!!!
So its really true. I dont use Adobe but heard about this, isnt that theft or at least copyright infringement?! This comes shortly after MS revealed their insane "recall" function.
Imagine your landlord turn up one day an says "either you give me full access to look at everything in your apartment or you will be kicked out"
No court in the world would let that slide, so why is it acceptable when software wants to do basically the same?
You do know lots of apartments have inspections right? They essentially look at all your stuff to “make sure you aren’t damaging their property”
Adobe is the last reason why people still use Windows instead of Linux.
There are a lot of games made by indie devs that don't run on linux.
Games, Its games.
@@stigmaoftheroselet those games die, and start being adult and stop wasting time on games.
@@stigmaoftherose even AAA like HellDivers
Autodesk
As an old Electronic Engineer I have been pirating SW for over 45 Years. Every time I have to sign an Agreement that is in a little box , or longer than 10 pages I pirate that. I haven't payed for SW or Games for over 20 years. The current SW isn't worth the download, that is how bloated, unusable and spying it is. I miss my Amiga 4000.
Thanks for getting the message out there. As somebody who's been writing software for over 20 years this ownership and control aspect seems obvious to me - but many haven't realized this yet
I remember hearing people who were running ancient versions of Photoshop - saying they saw no reason to upgrade. They must be laughing their heads off now.
I love Adobe X - it was free then and never disappoints.
There's no reason to upgrade. Adobe figured out a long time ago there was nothing else they could add to their software to actually improve the quality of the images, all the file types and quality settings and lossless compression was already supported forever ago, so now all Adobe does is add gimmicks and bullshit to their software that you don't need.
I have a version from the late 90s and last I checked it still worked fine. Although, I stopped using it a long time ago and it resides on an ancient machine. Still have the discs and backups, too.
Its true, most of the old versions are good enough to most things.
I'm still rocking Adobe PS3 from 2007 😂
It used to be "if you aren't paying, you're the product"
Now companies expect you to PAY TO BE the product
Yup, you’re OUR product!
And ironically, it's those of us who don't (have to) pay, who use open source software, who have the real ownership.
It was only a matter of time. The momentum didn't stop with simply monetizing your time for their profit, now we have to monetize our own time and effocts for their profit.
Now it's "If you aren't pirating, you're the product"
There's some exceptions, CSP is still safe for example, but from any of the big companies... I remember the days when finding cracked versions of software was sketchy and risked getting malware snuck in; now you have to find the crack to get the malware removed from the official releases.
@@kinezumicsp isn't safe
I canceled my yearly plan and told their agent in chat to cancel the auto renew and they accepted.
At the end of the year, my plan renewed... I contacted Adobe the day it renewed and they told me I had to pay out the entire year if I wanted to cancel.
I told them their Agent said it wouldn't renew, they said that my plan had renewed and I would need to pay.
I told them fine. I'll cancel my card and contact the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission).
Suddenly: "Here at Adobe, we value our customer's, so this one time we will wave the cancellation fee."
Well done
I had the exact same thing happen on a mobile plan with Vodafone. As soon as I created a Complaint with the Telecons ombudsman of Australia they refunded me in 2 days
Fax, I had to cancel my shit one time and they made it complicated asf
Had a similar experience about 4 years ago, they ended up charging me a cancellation fee (2 months if I recall correctly?) instead of charging me the rest of the year. It was such a hassle to get it cancelled (and keep it cancelled) in the first place, I just took that L. Still feeling burned from that. Never going back to Adobe
Me too, deleted adobe having lost projects to them in the past.
Based
I must be insane because if something is training off of my work I expect to be paid.
Id expect the service to be FREE if they are gonna use MY DATA to harvest. Instead you are "allowed" to pay a subscription for this crap.
I'd expect to be paid too. But this ship sailed around 2010. Google was capturing WiFi hotspot SSIDs with their street view cars, to build up a way to determine location without GPS. Their cars ended up capturing a bit more than SSIDs, and they were hauled into court by the EU for it and fined (the DOJ fined them too after they began paying the EU fines). At the same time, Apple was trying to do the same thing to prep for their release of Apple Maps. But instead of sending their employees around the world to collect WiFi SSID info like Google did, they just changed the terms of service on the iPhone allowing them to download your location and WiFi history data. Basically, every iPhone owner gave up their privacy and worked for Apple (for free) to collect this info for them.
The EU said nary a word about it. Sending the message that if you put in the work to do it yourself, you're liable and can be fined. But it's OK to just take (steal) this info from your customers.
@@xzst Imagine being an artist that invested in apple and adobe, and to this day, even in spite of this, defends them as the superior function/product.
I shit you not they do this. Of course it is always the starving artist teenage 20 something loser that will never get anywhere. That's always the kind of person defending apple and adobe. Head in the clouds, doesn't learn a single fundamental. (Then wonders why people tell them their art sucks)
No compromises, no free software should do this.
Adobe is overestimating their relevance. There are a TON of alternatives that cost next to nothing, and offer almost the same quality as Adobe products. Of course, there's always the 🏴☠route.
Let's also not forget that Adobe is giving themselves permission to violate every NDA any of their users are under.
This! I hope they get sued.
I suspect the number of legal threats they get from professionals for potentially putting them in a position to get sued themselves by clients and collaborators will cause them to revert this or add the option to opt out.
@@Fatty420 I bet there will not be any legal threat to adobe... many people with NDAs have already accepted without even reading it
Making a thumbnail for a TH-cam video that’s under NDA, editing a video that has content that’s under NDA, viewing a PDF that’s under NDA… holy smokes
Let's see how that holds up in court.
Someone please start a class action lawsuit against Adobe. I would love to join.
i'm sure everyone got forced into an arbitration agreement already
the TOS I'm sure already had a arbitration clause for some time now.
@@commonwealthcommunitywatch6036 i mean arbitration don't exist everywhere in the world we just need the EU to sue their asses into the ground
sign me up
@@HomeBurgerforced arbitration doesn’t really work, a lot of TOS that make companies sound invincible are just fear tactics
Adobe has lost it completely. This leaves your creative projects so vulnerable to theft, loss, and slower workflow, that it is surely a sign of gross incompetence.
Incompetence or greed?
@@AcornElectron both
They never had it. They've always been anti competition and are one of the main reasons why ms windows didn't go under when linux was clearly the better os choice for everything.
I mean, they steal your work already for years.
It's by design. It's pure exploitation. People pay them to get their personal data ransacked.
You made this?
I made this.
The federal law should be changed to say that if a company wants to change the terms on you to continue using their product, you're entitled to get your data back AND A FULL REFUND of whatever you paid them under the old terms. You want to amend the contract we both agreed to at the outset of our relationship? Fine, let's negotiate. Otherwise continue at the old terms or fork over all the cash, because you're about to be in breach of contract and I want liquidated damages.
This is the thing I moan about to anyone who will listen. Expensive software is a joke until they sort this out.
It should be illegal to hold your property hostage from you.
It should be illegal to deny someone use of something they've paid for because one party decided to change terms.
It should be illegal to distort a product into a service when there is no need for it to be one.
There is no reason for most of this software to require an internet connection to function. It's not a necessity of what's being offered, it's malicious and extortionate design.
@@seigeengine they can rebuttal that by saying, we want to make sure the programs we made are used with the correct intention. Hence updates, when you accepted the original terms and service it does state and always has that you agree to any changes made to the software. I agree with you but law is literally written by companies and their government cronies.
if anything, they should also pay for interest on the amount you paid.
@@Kronin-n6f No they can't. They have no right to moderate how their products are used.
I'm a high school computer science teacher, and this year I've had to remove Adobe CS from the curriculum. Too many issues with the cloud, payment errors, warning screens on paid items, crashing, etc.
A contract signed under duress (for example your rightful property being held hostage) can be voided in court. Remember this.
I laugh at the binding arbitration clause on MANDATORY car insurance.
This is assuming those of us out there can PAY for court.
sure, but I may not have 1M$ to try and sue Adobe for 3-5years until they find a stupid crack in the law and make me loose
@@3DEMS. The fact that Americans won't fix their court system is astounding to me, but this advice is not exclusive to the US, most developed countries have similar laws. And class action lawsuits exist as well.
If you can't afford to fight them in court then they can do whatever they want to you at any time without your permission anyway, what you signed or didn't sign is irrelevant.
A contract can only be enforced in favor of corporations and not individuals, remember this.
Imagine if when you bought a drawer from IKEA they reserved the rights to break into your house and steal/copy/photograph what you put inside your drawer at any time at any date
Edit: Please stop commenting "Erm actually" type comments. We get it, you're an intellectual
You spelled Amazon wrong.
Yes, of course, it will improve your drawer user experience. Can't wait 'till the mattress companies get on board :)
no thats not what this is.
This is a IKEA Employee sitting in your room, waiting and looking directly at everything you put in the drawer, to copy and steal it.
No, they install camera in your drawer for marketing research to better understand what people like you put in drawers to design better drawers in the future.
@@OldBenOnengl I wouldn’t mind a smart mattress that recommends me to get a new one right before my back starts to go bad because the mattress is shot or one that goes: it appears you learned new skills and positions, the mattress you currently have is only giving you 60% of the pleasure you could have.
where the HELL are the lawmakers in ANY of this? 20 years ago there may have been an excuse for a government full of technical incompetents but the fact we still have to see headlines like this is mind numbing
Lobbying.
All bought off.
Land of the fee, home of the grave
Because the ones from 20 years ago are still in office and frequently senile. Mitch freezing for instance.
the US is a corporate communist. free money for large companies
I appreciate it when Louis sacrifices monetization so he can call the people at Adobe a bunch of grapists. Worth it.
110% worth it. What's a few grand when the company is making millions of off predatory behavior.
A fitting description. It does feel like we're all being graped in the mouth.
Look, it's a loser grifter!
What is grapist?
@@wanderlust0120the “g” is silent - what word do you have now?
This update is so much worse than this video goes into. In theory, this would only apply to Adobe's visual editing software, but since this update was in their General User Agreement it actually applies to all of their software, including Acrobat and Reader. So they are giving themselves permission to read your PDF's as well.
This means any company that operates under any form of NDA is now violating their contracts by using Acrobat. This includes all government agencies as well. All hospitals and other medical care facilities that utilize electronic health records that involve utilize Adobe Acrobat for PDF's are now in violation of HIPAA. Entire industries are going to have to switch their software until the legalities of this are fully untangled.
I hope their arrogance will land them in court
This was the first thing I thought of. Can't open PDFs on Acrobat if they have patient data now because they contain PHI.
They are also in violation of GDPR. Fines incoming.
This could be a massive issue. I can bring some perspective on the government side. I work at a VA hospital and the federal government has a massive contract to provide basic acrobat reader functionality to all of our computers. I think this kind of updates is why we often use older versions of the software, for example we are still running a 2023 version of Adobe acrobat. I am pretty sure they are not allowed to change the terms of service at any time like they do with private consumers because as per the contract they need to provide a certain version of their application. I imagine they would be extra careful with government agencies to avoid getting on their radar more than they need to. That being said, I am 99% sure they would try to pull this off with any private entity that doesn't have the power to push back.
2 Years From Now these companies are going to be saying "You don't actually own any of the files that you've created on your computer. They're actually our property but you can rent them as long as you subscribe to our software."
These new terms grant them a perpetual, royalty-free license to everything you create using their software, including the right to "sublicense" (i.e. sell) it to others without paying you anything.
Wow… wouldn’t that be something!! I’ll make my calendar for that.
2070 paradigm shift, Adobe is "free to play" but artists must produce content for Adobe to cover the cost of software updates. Failure to meet your monthly monetization targets will "default" your subscription contract (now classed as a financial loan according to the IRS) and they repossess your home as collateral
That's what photobucket did once they held everyone's pictures for ransom.
@@Animal_lives_matter
Don't give them ideas please
I used their creative suite for almost everything during my college years, and ultimately ditched them due to exactly these issues. They have no respect or appreciation for the creative types who enabled their success. This was cathartic to listen to.
What do you use now?
@Swenthorian I switched to Affinity. I've heard very good things about their creative software, and I like that it's not a subscription service.
(Sorry that I just saw this, months later - I wasn't given a notification, for some reason.)
@Swenthorian It looks like my reply didn't actually tag you. So if you see this, but didn't see the other comment, both of my replies will show up if you go to the main comments of this video, click "Newest" (at the top), and then return to this thread.
@@LiveAndLetLive2024 Thanks! I hate TH-cam's automated censorship; it's such garbage.
@@LiveAndLetLive2024 Unfortunately, I don't see any comments there from you, either. :(
For anyone trying to cancel their Adobe subscription and are encountering the early cancelation fee, there's a pretty simple way to bypass that. All you need to do is change your current plan to another plan and then cancel the new plan. According to Adobe's own terms you have 14 days to request a refund. For reference I'm in Europe, so I'm not sure if this works everywhere, but it's worth a shot.
I'd also talk to a lawyer about it. In the U.S. a material change in the terms of a contract is usually a solid justification for termination, but I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what all is in Adobe's agreement.
There's a cancellation fee??????? I'm so glad I never payed for any Adobe products.
The fact there's even a fucking cancellation fee is wild.
Could also use a virtual credit card that links to your bank, and then just cancel that credit card.
I would just chargeback the fee.
Just cancelled my Adobe subscription. Screw them.
This is a good thing actually, it gave me the final push i needed to cancel my adobe subscriptions. I'm finally free
happy
Same.
You know what people don't have this issues?
People that pirate Adobe
Yeah, people that pirate Adobe have problems with russian botnets instead. Or more precisely, they become a part of one.
Or people like me, who, don't use Adobe products anyway. I don't even use their PDF viewer, Firefox will load PDFs right in the browser, that's good enough for me.
I have a theory that Adobe was happy to allow piracy for many years so they became the default software for most creatives, and now we’re trapped with subscriptions forever and this cloud crap, and it’d be a big effort to avoid their software if you’re a professional
@@x_ph1l
Cool story bro, maybe try not to download stuff off suspicious websites that literally say "freesoftware" in the domain, just saying.
Yeah, as a hobbyist you can do that, not as a professional.
I'm glad you sticking to the SA verbage.
The man also loves that one south park bit.
@@RickR69You mean Adobe.
If I was the kind of guy behind those mandates I'd absolutely do that too
tThat's what it really is. They're fully and nonconsenually invading and violating their users privacy and work rights. There's no option to opt out this and keep your work, and no way to not conest and take your work else where.
@@user-eh4kh3ye5o I disagree. It's a fairly big stretch. Not wrong, just so far a reach my arms wouldn't make it.
What it is is ransomware. If you want to be more vivid, call it a hostage negotiation. You've paid them, and now they're holding your property hostage to extort you into new terms.
@@seigeengine I think a big reason Louis uses this type of verbage is because companies that are against right to repair use it against people like Louis. See that advert about how right to repair enables Sexual Assault, basically calling everyone who wants R2R a rapist etc