I remember hearing people who were running ancient versions of Photoshop - saying they saw no reason to upgrade. They must be laughing their heads off now.
There's no reason to upgrade. Adobe figured out a long time ago there was nothing else they could add to their software to actually improve the quality of the images, all the file types and quality settings and lossless compression was already supported forever ago, so now all Adobe does is add gimmicks and bullshit to their software that you don't need.
I have a version from the late 90s and last I checked it still worked fine. Although, I stopped using it a long time ago and it resides on an ancient machine. Still have the discs and backups, too.
It was only a matter of time. The momentum didn't stop with simply monetizing your time for their profit, now we have to monetize our own time and effocts for their profit.
Now it's "If you aren't pirating, you're the product" There's some exceptions, CSP is still safe for example, but from any of the big companies... I remember the days when finding cracked versions of software was sketchy and risked getting malware snuck in; now you have to find the crack to get the malware removed from the official releases.
I suspect the number of legal threats they get from professionals for potentially putting them in a position to get sued themselves by clients and collaborators will cause them to revert this or add the option to opt out.
@@ProGentlemanAfter using Sony Vegas, Final Cut and Adobe. Sad to say Adobe is the best one. But pirating is probably the best option at this point. Ain't got to agree to no bs terms then 😂
I canceled my yearly plan and told their agent in chat to cancel the auto renew and they accepted. At the end of the year, my plan renewed... I contacted Adobe the day it renewed and they told me I had to pay out the entire year if I wanted to cancel. I told them their Agent said it wouldn't renew, they said that my plan had renewed and I would need to pay. I told them fine. I'll cancel my card and contact the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission). Suddenly: "Here at Adobe, we value our customer's, so this one time we will wave the cancellation fee."
Well done I had the exact same thing happen on a mobile plan with Vodafone. As soon as I created a Complaint with the Telecons ombudsman of Australia they refunded me in 2 days
Had a similar experience about 4 years ago, they ended up charging me a cancellation fee (2 months if I recall correctly?) instead of charging me the rest of the year. It was such a hassle to get it cancelled (and keep it cancelled) in the first place, I just took that L. Still feeling burned from that. Never going back to Adobe
I do not agree, they have to use excessive terms and conditions otherwise it would not be possible for their software to work as there are cloud functions (e.g they must get your data in order to do generative fill which I am using a lot). Other thing is machine learning part but you can opt out of this. Only negative thing is that content analysis is is turned on by default.
Adobe contant analysis FAQ: Let's say that you access Creative Cloud or Document Cloud via a personal account and prefer that Adobe doesn't analyze your content to develop and improve our products and services. In that case, you may turn off content analysis at any time from your Adobe account
Adobe has lost it completely. This leaves your creative projects so vulnerable to theft, loss, and slower workflow, that it is surely a sign of gross incompetence.
They never had it. They've always been anti competition and are one of the main reasons why ms windows didn't go under when linux was clearly the better os choice for everything.
I'd expect to be paid too. But this ship sailed around 2010. Google was capturing WiFi hotspot SSIDs with their street view cars, to build up a way to determine location without GPS. Their cars ended up capturing a bit more than SSIDs, and they were hauled into court by the EU for it and fined (the DOJ fined them too after they began paying the EU fines). At the same time, Apple was trying to do the same thing to prep for their release of Apple Maps. But instead of sending their employees around the world to collect WiFi SSID info like Google did, they just changed the terms of service on the iPhone allowing them to download your location and WiFi history data. Basically, every iPhone owner gave up their privacy and worked for Apple (for free) to collect this info for them. The EU said nary a word about it. Sending the message that if you put in the work to do it yourself, you're liable and can be fined. But it's OK to just take (steal) this info from your customers.
@@xzst Imagine being an artist that invested in apple and adobe, and to this day, even in spite of this, defends them as the superior function/product. I shit you not they do this. Of course it is always the starving artist teenage 20 something loser that will never get anywhere. That's always the kind of person defending apple and adobe. Head in the clouds, doesn't learn a single fundamental. (Then wonders why people tell them their art sucks)
Adobe is overestimating their relevance. There are a TON of alternatives that cost next to nothing, and offer almost the same quality as Adobe products. Of course, there's always the 🏴☠route.
I'm a high school computer science teacher, and this year I've had to remove Adobe CS from the curriculum. Too many issues with the cloud, payment errors, warning screens on paid items, crashing, etc.
The federal law should be changed to say that if a company wants to change the terms on you to continue using their product, you're entitled to get your data back AND A FULL REFUND of whatever you paid them under the old terms. You want to amend the contract we both agreed to at the outset of our relationship? Fine, let's negotiate. Otherwise continue at the old terms or fork over all the cash, because you're about to be in breach of contract and I want liquidated damages.
It should be illegal to hold your property hostage from you. It should be illegal to deny someone use of something they've paid for because one party decided to change terms. It should be illegal to distort a product into a service when there is no need for it to be one. There is no reason for most of this software to require an internet connection to function. It's not a necessity of what's being offered, it's malicious and extortionate design.
@@seigeengine they can rebuttal that by saying, we want to make sure the programs we made are used with the correct intention. Hence updates, when you accepted the original terms and service it does state and always has that you agree to any changes made to the software. I agree with you but law is literally written by companies and their government cronies.
where the HELL are the lawmakers in ANY of this? 20 years ago there may have been an excuse for a government full of technical incompetents but the fact we still have to see headlines like this is mind numbing
@@3DEMS. The fact that Americans won't fix their court system is astounding to me, but this advice is not exclusive to the US, most developed countries have similar laws. And class action lawsuits exist as well. If you can't afford to fight them in court then they can do whatever they want to you at any time without your permission anyway, what you signed or didn't sign is irrelevant.
This update is so much worse than this video goes into. In theory, this would only apply to Adobe's visual editing software, but since this update was in their General User Agreement it actually applies to all of their software, including Acrobat and Reader. So they are giving themselves permission to read your PDF's as well. This means any company that operates under any form of NDA is now violating their contracts by using Acrobat. This includes all government agencies as well. All hospitals and other medical care facilities that utilize electronic health records that involve utilize Adobe Acrobat for PDF's are now in violation of HIPAA. Entire industries are going to have to switch their software until the legalities of this are fully untangled.
This could be a massive issue. I can bring some perspective on the government side. I work at a VA hospital and the federal government has a massive contract to provide basic acrobat reader functionality to all of our computers. I think this kind of updates is why we often use older versions of the software, for example we are still running a 2023 version of Adobe acrobat. I am pretty sure they are not allowed to change the terms of service at any time like they do with private consumers because as per the contract they need to provide a certain version of their application. I imagine they would be extra careful with government agencies to avoid getting on their radar more than they need to. That being said, I am 99% sure they would try to pull this off with any private entity that doesn't have the power to push back.
Adobe was always evil. I lived near cro of adobe branch in my country, he was perfectly representing adobe, huge dickwad, was driving ultra expensive cars some for 3m+ while laying minimal wage to regular workers. Eventually got arrested for tax evasion...
Imagine if when you bought a drawer from IKEA they reserved the rights to break into your house and steal/copy/photograph what you put inside your drawer at any time at any date Edit: Please stop commenting "Erm actually" type comments. We get it, you're an intellectual
no thats not what this is. This is a IKEA Employee sitting in your room, waiting and looking directly at everything you put in the drawer, to copy and steal it.
No, they install camera in your drawer for marketing research to better understand what people like you put in drawers to design better drawers in the future.
@@OldBenOnengl I wouldn’t mind a smart mattress that recommends me to get a new one right before my back starts to go bad because the mattress is shot or one that goes: it appears you learned new skills and positions, the mattress you currently have is only giving you 60% of the pleasure you could have.
This is a NDA nightmare, a violation of privacy in so many levels. As someone who’s been in tech since the 90s, I feel like for every single service that you have to purchase for work or pleasure nowadays comes with strings that are just not worth the hassle. I crave ownership of the things that I purchase - to use how I see fit and without any strings attached.
So effectively, by using Adobe's software, your copyright kinda becomes void since they can reproduce it and probably pass it onto a generative AI model. And since AI generated works have been declared to not have copyright as far as I know, then yeah, you're also losing the right to defend your work from everyone.
2 Years From Now these companies are going to be saying "You don't actually own any of the files that you've created on your computer. They're actually our property but you can rent them as long as you subscribe to our software."
These new terms grant them a perpetual, royalty-free license to everything you create using their software, including the right to "sublicense" (i.e. sell) it to others without paying you anything.
2070 paradigm shift, Adobe is "free to play" but artists must produce content for Adobe to cover the cost of software updates. Failure to meet your monthly monetization targets will "default" your subscription contract (now classed as a financial loan according to the IRS) and they repossess your home as collateral
I used their creative suite for almost everything during my college years, and ultimately ditched them due to exactly these issues. They have no respect or appreciation for the creative types who enabled their success. This was cathartic to listen to.
@Swenthorian I switched to Affinity. I've heard very good things about their creative software, and I like that it's not a subscription service. (Sorry that I just saw this, months later - I wasn't given a notification, for some reason.)
@Swenthorian It looks like my reply didn't actually tag you. So if you see this, but didn't see the other comment, both of my replies will show up if you go to the main comments of this video, click "Newest" (at the top), and then return to this thread.
Had to quickly make a job yesterday on Photoshop and I was slapped in the face with a forced arbitration popup that blocks me from using Photoshop. To tell you I was pissed off is an understatement. Blocked all adobe services in hosts and yohoho, fuck you Adobe.
@@haraldschmidt8828 none whatsoever. If I want an image I draw or paint it then digitize. What I do works for me. I’m sure paying through the ass works for you. I did try that Krita for a bit. I prefer oils
@@haraldschmidt8828 Yeah, GIMP sucks so hard that I can't believe people still promote it. If you want drawing, you get Krita. If you want vectors you get Inkscape. But GIMP? This thing is like a monument to all of the issues with switching to open source.
For anyone trying to cancel their Adobe subscription and are encountering the early cancelation fee, there's a pretty simple way to bypass that. All you need to do is change your current plan to another plan and then cancel the new plan. According to Adobe's own terms you have 14 days to request a refund. For reference I'm in Europe, so I'm not sure if this works everywhere, but it's worth a shot.
I'd also talk to a lawyer about it. In the U.S. a material change in the terms of a contract is usually a solid justification for termination, but I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what all is in Adobe's agreement.
I reported this to my company because we work with video games. If Adobe think they can filch even data that is under NDA, they'll deserve a million lawsuits over this.
Years ago I worked at the Photo Lab, and we had customers that required secrecy for everything we printed for them. Machinery parts, flanges, bolts, gonculators, encabulators, etc.; industrial espionage is a real thing. Every test print, every "too light / too dark" print, extras had to be shredded. Negatives and prints were secured. And we were a tiny lab, just me, the owner, and two other people. What Adobe is doing is the equivalent of me printing these images while a tour group walks through the building, taking pix of the prints as the swirl around in fixer, and as they come out of the dryer. Then uploading the whole lot to their friends-only Facebook.
Nope! IT IS WORSE! It is down the 1's and 0's COPY. Heck you might aswell call it a clean 100% theift. Only that data is duplicatable without any negative effets on the origian. Or ones called 'masters' yet now we are not allowed to call things master. It is techinclly wrong anyways in the modern digtial world. So really seems like 100% fine to copy and use as we please software too? Seems like a fair deal. No licenses or anything. Comply Adoble with our new terms and conditions. Oh? Yea that is right. You have no options here. We are leaving! I mean good girl Adoble! A theif that leaves you with a intact copy of what they stole? No randomsware or anything? I mean the program basicly is a tojan horse to being with... So I mean maybe the good boy Adoble is simply having the restrain to only inflict a single majort offence at a time. It would be funny how terms like master copies are not allowed anymore. When we are treated as if Adoble and the likes are our masters.
Worst part is? Not a single company that does this waits for you to click 'accept'. The moment that update went live, your data was scraped, whether you agree or not. No development company ties the kick off of new functionality to the 'accept' button on T&C's.
@@joeblue2492 This is litterly against the law in a lot of countries outside the US. Adobe will have to either end business in those countries or else be fined millions of dollars or undo this policy. Infact... they didn't announce this when you installed the program, therefore.... it's also against EU regulation.
Oh please, they didn't wait for this T&C to go out, they were probably already doing this for months, and are just now getting around to actually telling people.
Wait until not only you have to pay for access, allow them access to gather all your data and hold it to ransom if you don't pay the monthly subscription fee, but also when they demand a royalty payment for the work you created using their software so they get a cut of your success. The days of "if its free, you're the product" is long gone. Now everyone paying is also the product.
“Now everyone paying is also the product.” Huh, I remember saying that exact thing and got downvoted into oblivion, in a privacy subreddit nonetheless. It would be insane to think that these for-profit, infinite growth chasing, privacy violating companies would not be tracking us just because we pay a few dollars a month a for a mere online service. Why would they pass that up? It’s free real estate.
Check the general terms section 4.2, you're allowing them to use your private data for any public purpose royalty-free: 4.2 Licences to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, licence, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform and translate the Content.
@@rfitzgerald2004 Terms in Secton 69.420 All employees of Adobe must sexually service me on demand and are unable to refuse. Oh too late. Looks like everyone at Adobe is now under my binding Terms of Service they automatically opted into when I made a transaction with them! Haha!
That's actually my biggest hope with this. Given some of the very large creative companies that I know use their products, this has to be a legal can of worms for Adobe just waiting to blow!
@@commentinglife6175 This won't happen with large companies, unless the large companies sign off on it. They are likely to make an exception to large companies, no?
@@Jon-d8j I'm betting you are correct, but we shall see. Can also hope those agreements leak so us plebes can see the crap that Adobe is claiming access to that they agree not to do for the big companies.
Security is a fucking joke. How many times you get letters this year telling you that there was a huuuuuuuuuge data breach about 3 years ago and they identified that your account has been affected? How many letters? I've gotten 12 for the year 2023 so far! Still getting 2023's letters in 2024! Security is an absolute *L I E.* What it really does is keep outside criminals from looking at what the internal criminals are stealing.
When my son was in high school, I paid $12 a month for Adobe's annual license. Next year went to $20. After he was out of high school, Adobe decided to charge 60 a month since he was no longer a student. Nor he or I consciously agreed to the pay increase they decided to give themselves. Thankfully we were able to cancel, but that was hard. I miss the days when you just bought software, and the company didn't renegotiate the terms on you overnight.
Adobe is one of the most consistent companies in the software industry.... Consistently ruining the users experience with 20+ year old code while charging increasing prices all the time while doing their best to take every penny from your wallet
Louis, thank you for the relentless protection of user rights against all these evil money grubbing corporations. You are working for the betterment of everyone and I just wanted to thank you for that.
Or people like me, who, don't use Adobe products anyway. I don't even use their PDF viewer, Firefox will load PDFs right in the browser, that's good enough for me.
I have a theory that Adobe was happy to allow piracy for many years so they became the default software for most creatives, and now we’re trapped with subscriptions forever and this cloud crap, and it’d be a big effort to avoid their software if you’re a professional
Remember when UbiSoft said: "You will own nothing, and you will like it." Pepperridge Farms remembers. We will own nothing, because they forced us to own nothing. But that still don't mean 'we will like it'. Only if this gets normalized will we 'like it'. DON'T LET THEM NORMALIZE IT!!!!
Thousand of people agree to new terms like this all the time without even thinking about the implications. And for those who do think about it, they click anyway because they need to get their work done. It's already normalized.
I believe the World Economic Forum also said this, I think they carry a bit more weight than UbiSoft, and it's true. If you miss payments on your Tesla, they can disable your car. If your iPhone breaks, you have to get Apple to fix it. I remember having to pay $750+ because my iPhone 7+ stopped working in 2019 and they said it had 'water damage', even though it's never been splashed, let alone gone swimming, so the only option was to buy a replacement phone of the same model. If I wanted the latest model, I had to pay even more. And what choice did I have, really? I could have said F-it, I'm just gonna buy a new Android at that price, but then I'd lose all my data. You pay these companies so much money and they still own you, years later.
@@pvanukoff, In a way, yes that is somewhat true. But that's why piracy, safe piracy (programs with no added malware), is more important than ever. The only way to take back ownership of programs, is to pirate a copy. Remember what Gabe Newell said: "Piracy is a result of bad service on the part of game companies." Well that can apply to any software on the net as well. Bad service = More pirates = Taking back private ownership = Less corporate revenue = Possible better service
proper response to this, is to say "then I will buy nothing, and I will love it". companies have made their crap so impractical to own that nowadays the only logical move is to gtfo and take ur money somewhere else.
@@mandzph, The only problem with that, is that every company is doing this. So there's really no where else to go. You buy from X crappy company, Y crappy company, or Z crappy company, and they are all doing the same exact thing. To buy nothing, leaves you in the same position, as buying something and still owning nothing. There is one hell of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' game going on here.
Thanks for the clue! I started using Photoshop 4 and went through a lot of "upgrades" to Photoshop CS4, which Adobe doesn't bother supporting. Ripoff merchants. I paid a lot for these versions, I wish I had've used the pirated ones instead.
The EU is too incompetent to consistently enforce anything they did that is good. The only thing we are left with are those EFFING COOKIE DIALOGS ON EVERY FFING WEBSITE WE VISIT. That kind of BS the EU can do.
Yea this gonna be an utter shitshow here in EU. However, I'm probably still gonna pirate it at the end of the year since they also decided to arbitrarily up their license prices out of nowhere.. Fuck that. Adobe can go suck a dick and I'll gladly inform my clients that I'm pirating the software I use in my design services.. As if Adobe is gonna even dare think the thought of spying on this stuff.
tThat's what it really is. They're fully and nonconsenually invading and violating their users privacy and work rights. There's no option to opt out this and keep your work, and no way to not conest and take your work else where.
@@user-eh4kh3ye5o I disagree. It's a fairly big stretch. Not wrong, just so far a reach my arms wouldn't make it. What it is is ransomware. If you want to be more vivid, call it a hostage negotiation. You've paid them, and now they're holding your property hostage to extort you into new terms.
@@seigeengine I think a big reason Louis uses this type of verbage is because companies that are against right to repair use it against people like Louis. See that advert about how right to repair enables Sexual Assault, basically calling everyone who wants R2R a rapist etc
Amen to that. I took Adobe out of my life when they arbitrarily canceled my software license to try to force me into their subscription service. They claimed it was a three-year educational license, which it was not.
I am going to be having words with our legal team over this (we have one that deals with government contracts and comes out on top... They WILL be having stern words over this).
The hard part is finding a legal team with the ability to take on a company like Adobe, I'm sure many have tried, but it'll be the case of he who has the most money to throw at it wins no doubt
@@rfitzgerald2004 All I can say is EU. The day someone gets it to EU courts, Adobe will quite quickly change their minds. Microsoft and Facebook quickly figured that out - their available options was to lose with a big loss. Or keep fighting and end up with a huge loss. Every single photo can contain GDRP information. Unwarranted access to that information is a bohoo. And Adobe needs to analyse to know. But if they analyse then they have already broken GDPR because they have no valid reason to need to know. It's one thing to store a customers data in the cloud. It's a completely different matter to access the content. Backup processes does not need to analyse the content of images...
Adobe also has the most predatory subscription tactics. They'll charge you up to $55 extra to cancel a monthly-billed yearly contract for their pdf viewer.
Adobe requiring a subscription was the day I stopped using adobe products and went out of my way to learn how to use open source software, and I'm glad to see they continue justifying that decision for me.
We need more people like you! Today, everyone is afraid to say what's really on their mind. Everyone is scared of accidentally offending someone. It's nice to see someone still has balls! Respect man!
I remember the outrage when Adobe switched to the cloud. Yet there were still many defending the move as "you're now getting the latest up-to-date software" for cheaper. Never fell for it.
That's when I made my switch to GIMP and INKSCAPE and never looked back. It's rare I can't accomplish the exact same end results. The road getting there is just a little different.
"for cheaper" - only in the short term. Bought CS4 in 2010. If I'd paid a monthly fee for the last 14 years I'd have paid more than 10x the price. Rarely does the average person need to buy the the new suite every few years
I was about to buy Adobe's Lightroom subscription when I found videos like yours regarding its privacy policy, I am now withholding the purchase till the privacy mud clears up
Uhm you might want to look into other programs like affinity. Adobe is raising their monthly subscription prices on July 24th!! So that price you right now on their site is not current till they roll out their new pricing on July 24th!
HIPPA isn't a real thing. Let me explain. You see HIPPA compliance matters for you. A peon. Your boss. A peon. Your boss's boss. Ect.... All the way up to the real owners and leadership. Them? They trade secrets, drugs, children, data, any commodity that peons would get prison for. You need to understand. You have never and will never even meet the real power this world. They violate all laws, oaths, and promises as a matter of fact.
@@Moe_Posting_Chad I have experience regarding that; hospitals and other health care providers _absolutely_ use encryption tools that are HIPAA-compliant. They have much to lose.
Not a surprise at this point. The current youtube's word censor is reaching 1984 version, while only their endorsed youtubers (preferably female) are safe in their platform after committing illegal acts.
@@jamesphillips2285 I don't care about Linux. Too much feature creep. Bloat. Autistic UX design. No thanks. I value my time. I'll just pirate the software. Malware is not actually very common in piracy at all. Some of you are way too paranoid. Some of you suffer dunning kruger. You run a VM just so you can always spin it back up from a backup. Not because you forgot to run your malware in a sandbox environment!
I have been using Windows and Photoshop since their first versions. But this is it, Microsoft + Adobe just made me take the leap to Linux. This is a pretty crazy world we live in. Thank you Louis and the whole open source community. Never going back to big corps.
So, Adobe wants access to my tax returns and business documents, which I have used Adobe for in the past, not to mention every PDF that I've opened on my PC for the last 10+ years? Wtf? That means that they will have my income and business data, that they don't need to know. Lord knows who tf they will be selling that shit to in the future. Not cool man! 🙄
Oh. No. You see. Think of all the third parties that will over the course of the rest of time, access your data. How many criminals are lined up around Adobe's points of access, just sniffing for the next big venerability? This is a racket. We don't live in a just society and the State does nothing but rob us! The whole point is for Adobe to streamline their ability to rob you and forward that data to the government and its "NGO" shell companies. The whole point is to monitor every moment of every man woman and child's life. This is just one grain of sand towards that desert of freedom.
@@vizulefllry don't blame the consumer. the soda companies did this shit in the 1970s to introduce plastic bottles and fuck over the enviornment. all it ends up as is worse for us.
@@vizulefllry This isn't only happening to cloud-based files. It's happening to locally stored files too, because the Adobe suite of software access those files while connected to an online registry server- which is the entire reason they're able to do this shit in the first place. Before now, the files would still be yours because there wasn't any system integrated to actively scan whatever the Adobe software have access to while open. But now they have access to it all locally too, not just in the cloud based storage..
2:25-3:00 I love the delivery, particular 2:43 onwards. A clear demonstration of a man who knows his message and can deliver it how it should be delivered. Louis you're a legend and 100% right.
In the late 90's I was watching C-Span and there was this Congressman supporting a bill to prevent people from using digital cameras to record "bad stuff". His idea was to force camera makers to make them capable of recognizing evil images, and also transmit the photo, the GPS coordinates, the date, time and registered owner of the camera in real-time to some Federal regulatory or law enforcement entity. At the time, I thought he was crazy, " how would they be able to add all those functions to a camera and keep them economically viable?" I thought. In the late 90's there was no idea of the smart phones we have today. I guess what I am saying is that Congress was working on a way to look over your shoulder and enforce law on us before the tech existed, and now that it exists, do you suppose they still want to look over your shoulder? Yes, they do. Adobe PHOTOSHOP.... Is pictures. Apple cloud is for photos, if you have it, they can, and do look at your photos. Back in the day, if you took photos you had to get the developed, and the one-hour photo kiosks and drive-throughs were staffed with alphabet agents, this was how they would spy on our interests, so...yeah, it's all about spying on you. That's why I, personally, have been living what I call the "transparent life", where I assume someone is watching, and listening to me 24/7, since 1994. But, as a fiction writer, I am very cautious not to use any cloud services for storage purposes, perfect Paranoia is perfect awareness.
Actually in the late 90's something like a modern smartphone isn't so outlandish, the tech actually does exist. It hasn't reached consumer market price points or become nearly as versatile as modern ones but still the actual device is an evolution of things like PalmPilots. So perhaps for once the Politician was actually reading the tealeaves and seeing the way the personal electronics explosion was moving - not actually a hard prediction to make by the late 90's. Also these days its not the governments wanting to monitor you that is the problem, its all the companies that can EULA roofie you without any oversight or limitations at all, and quite possibly ignore whatever legal safeguard you would have by operating out of some other nation where the rules are different. Plus as the politician is usually an idiot or at the very least uneducated on every subject they have to work with, which is really fair enough they are generalists. They have to be part of the debates on every aspect of every element of governance and nobody could be a real expert at it all. So hopefully they find and then listen to a collection of experts who can do the "Idiots guide to __" and then debate on how each bit fits into the grander picture. However usually their only real interest is sounding/looking like they are 'tackling the problem' but not having to do anything and finding some nice super well paid job to retire into...
@@foldionepapyrus3441 All of that EULA roofie stops when you stop their hearts. Violence works. And that's why they try so hard to convince us the public that violence is a no go.
I love how these companies think they can do criminal type shit as long as it's written into their TOS giving them permission Don't stand for this and reject them. Do not pay for these services. Stop being held hostage
While, by no means, is this reasonable. To some degree Adobe users shouldn't be surprised. You store your data in Adobe's cloud, they have full control over you. I lived through the personal computer revolution. The promise was that you'd have your very own computer on everyone's desk. Why does everyone keep wanting to use Adobe's computers?
So clients should point out that this violates their NDA.. I made so much sensitive stuff in Adobe (presentations for next years line for for instance Nike, Nike doesn't want anyone looking over your shoulder, I'm under a heavy NDA... so... I see a problem there. Commercials for upcoming films for Warner, they probably wouldn't like Adobe looking over your shoulder)... Clients could say they don't want you to use Adobe any longer because of this... And by god I hope that happens... Let Adobe die as the industrial standard.. Please..
@@TunaIRL I stopped work at that studio 15 years ago... So I missed that... geez these people... I haven't used Adobe for that long.. I did one or 2 years of subscription, when it became a thing, because my boss payed for it... But when my boss died and his studio with him... I went on to do other things I work in events now as an AV tech.. And if I do video-editing (if I have to make something for a videowall for a dj or something corporate or whatever.. I will make my own, toss them into Resolume and have fun with them) for myself I use a combination of Da Vinci Resolve and blender (blender for compositing and 2d animation like I would do in After Effects).. I haven't looked back in regret once... It took a bit of getting used to though.. The thing is you're not going to have that option working in the industry because everything you get will be made with the last version of Adobe... There is a reason Adobe became the industry standard, because it used to be really good, everything nicely integrated... Seamless workflow between programs... It was a good package, only right now they are abusing their status... And it's frankly sickening.. But if you look around, I'm sure the industry could land on a new standard... If they wanted to...
@@jazzdirt I'm pretty worried about the fact that no one actually researched what actually happened. This also means no one is talking about the actual problem here. Which is simply the complexity of legal language to laymen. Adobe isn't doing anything weird or shady, they have to ask for these licences for legal reasons. Even TH-cam owns a licence to Lous' video here and can do anything they want with it according to people's interpretation of the TOS. In truth there is nothing malicious going on, the legalese is simply complex and requires thorough reading and understanding. People love to have an enemy to fight against and right now it's Adobe. This means people have an incredibly biased view of what they do and are willing to misinterpret and even lie about what's happening to progress their own agenda. I really don't support this form of pushing fixes to issues, but it is what the masses have decided to do most of the time.
@@TunaIRL I've seen this normalized in my lifetime... It's not... normal. The legalese exists to make sure there's absolutely no one reading the TOS anymore.. except for those persistent mfs that should have become lawyers... So 99% of people won't know what's in paragraph 6 on page 57 of the EULA or TOS.. And they are using that to slowly take every bit of ownership.. So basically making a profit by selling you absolutely NOTHING.. fried air... You get to use their service, until they decide you can't. For whatever arbitrary reason they can come up with.. In case of Adobe probably preventing you from using your actual years of work... Adobe literally can take your life's work hostage at a whim. Which is an F-ed up situation in any way you look at it.. except for the folks where the money flows to... They have a pretty rosy perspective on the whole thing, cushioned and protected by the legal maze they set up for you (You want to sue over this.. yeah, you can't, because we snuck in forced arbitration in the EULA last year already, so you can talk to the hand because DoJ is not listening)... They have gotten so big that they don't have to care about the user experience any longer.. They've made it.. Now they can just think about how to squeeze as much out of this "thing" as they can.. And if a lot people start to leave, they say sorry once, and just continue down the path... When I grew up manuals contained schematics, and tips and tricks for maintenance for the longevity of your product.. Now it's filled with legalese, bordering and curbing liability and helpful tips such as: Don't put the hamster in the device... Do not eat the silica or batteries... Product ownership has become a caricature of itself.. This is not normal... It's also not just one enemy, the enemy is the current "trend".. The direction things are moving in... Adobe being messed up like that is a symptom of a bigger ailment... It's also not just Adobe.. It's everywhere.. hence "trend".. The world is moving in a direction driven by capitalism and greed, that we don't want to move in... It wasn't always like this.. and this is NOT normal. There was a time when companies actually took pride in delivering to you a "grade A" device, that would last you a lifetime.. As a show of competence. (There are 200 year old watches that still run today, because the maker took pride in his work). Because your quality was your reputation. This was before companies got so big, they could afford to "not care"... This is not good for the environment, because of planned obsolescence creating a huge pile of garbage.. And we are depleting our resources doing this... This is not good for consumers... Because profits must grow is the rule, rather than profit being based on the quality of the actual product... Everything will keep inflating until it bursts... And eventually it's not good for the economy either... The short term thinking is leading to a point where the economy just wont recover anymore... Because the waste of resources is also economically not viable or sustainable in the long run... This way of living is costing us way more than the short term gains we (well at least some of us) are winning from it... But some people just think about themselves and if short term gains mean you can live well, while after you the world, will be on fire they don't care.. It doesn't affect them...
@@jazzdirt The legalese makes sure it's legally sound, not to deter people from reading it. More modern TOS have both kinds of language. Obviously the legalese wouldn't be needed if it was there for no reason. Again, people are simply not understanding what the core issue is and are making claims they don't have much knowledge about. Also the legalese isn't even that complex to read, it just requires some thought. Which seems to be past most people nowadays. Everything needs to be served in bite sized chunks for people to be able to read through them.
@@Shenorai Got both, because there's some plugins that hate CS6. And it's 7.01 actually, not that the update had that much in it. Ah, the days of software that was stable enough when it shipped...
They've killed the auth servers for CS 3 and 4, effectively making it impossible to reinstall the software. It probably be long before 5 and 6 meet the same fate.
@@swolfington Mine's been running on a VM for years, there won't ever be a reinstall ;) Trading 16GB for "no re-install ever, system backup is 'copy the files' " is a no brainer. One VM has PS7+Corel12, one has PS CS6 +Corelx16,etc... drive space is cheap, time isn't. ( VMWare Workstation is free now, shameless plug for my fave hupervisor :D )
I discovered your channel a couple months ago, and I’m hooked. Even when it’s about topics I don’t know anything about and/or never thought to care about, I love hearing what you have to say about them. You have a way of conveying important points that’s succinct and real. You’re good at explaining things. This channel is an absolute treasure trove. But hey man, can you stop saying “roofied”? I’m just as appalled by these brazen breaches of trust as you are, but dude, being roofied shakes your whole reality. You wake up in a strange place. It’s still dark. What time is it? Where’s your phone? You’re disoriented, foggy, a little dizzy, but you’re lucid enough to know you’re in a completely different place from where you last remember being. Oh fuck, you’re naked, you realize. Oh wait, there’s your underwear, by your feet. What the fuck? The room is spinning, everything feels heavy, it takes tremendous effort to move your limbs. Your heart’s racing now. You’re just lucid enough to register that you’re alone in a bedroom you don’t recognize. The last thing you remember is a rowdy round of shots at the bar, going to the bathroom, and then some flashes of being carried out…by who? Friends? Nothing after that. It’s like being under anesthesia, because that’s what roofies are. Someone puts something in your drink and then you’re out, no memory of what happened. they have their way with you and figure, what’s the harm? She won’t remember it. This shit is so, so fucking dark. It’s life-ruining. It makes people want to end their lives. Please stop using that as an image to convey corporate cynicism. You’re doing fine, you’re not losing your sense of self and reality because Adobe’s pricing has moved to a nakedly exploitative structure. You could have just said “rape”, and that would have been too flippant about actual rape, but you went so much further with the roofie thing. I have a hard time believing you feel that what Adobe is doing is the same as roofieing someone. Either that or you refuse to think about what “roofie” means as a transitive verb. I’m not saying “Well a handful of people experience this thing I’m using as hyperbole, so it should be seen as hyperbole.” I’m saying it’s way, way more common than you might think. It’s horrifically common. TL;DR Seriously dude, what the fuck? ROOFIED?
I have watched your content for over a decade (first time commenting). You have always given it to everyone straight. Reddit is blowing up over this as well. I control at least 100 Adobe Subscriptions and will be cancelling them all next week, and moving them to alternatives (including PDF Editing). The scariest part of this is the right to keep your own IP. If Adobe can view, modify, and reuse your IP at its discretion, patents and designs, entire branding, and every artists individual creative work can be resold and slapped on a Walmart shirt with no penalty. I believe an awakening is coming to the IT world. Meraki charging more for the same Dashboard licensing “just because”. Sophos moving away from competitor offers… gtfo. “Give your money to companies that deserve it” - Excellent Advice
I used to buy every new version of Adobe Photoshop until they switched to a subscription-based model. I kept using CS6 until it became outdated, and then I switched to GIMP.
@@megamastah I have worked for the payment card industry. I know all about interchange fees and the rest of it. You would be shocked if I told a black man to get off my buss. But you don't bat an eye when anyone is removed from *all banking in America.*
Your new videos ranting about privacy really really resound with me. When apple started I clouding all of my personal files, and then telling me I had to pay for cloud storage I thought wtf?!?! Yeah no fing way. I'm with you
I learned the hard way that any software that saves its data into proprietary format that cannot be opened by another 3rd party software is randsomware.
Libation will let you download your audible audiobooks to your PC for truly permanent ownership. I like audible too, but I've been burned enough in the past by other companies to know better. Never trust an online service to be able to provide you with something you purchased in perpetuity.
Team leader at work today sent a PDF document which was in the wrong orientation. Only wanted to rotate the document to the correct orientation. Was hit with a paywall demand for £30 a month to use the rotate function. I told him to tell Adobe to "do one" and open it up in the web browsers PDF viewer and hit the rotate button to rotate the document for free.
@@Moe_Posting_Chad Yeah it's crazy but a lot of software is locking down features that were previously free and now want money for them. Partition management software is another example, you have to pay to migrate your OS pretty much in any software now. The only other solution is to do it manually via command prompt but most people aren't savvy enough for that.
They have buried the rotate function in the view menu, but the fact that they did that and tried to charge for something so elementary is why I got rid of Adobe Reader and replaced it with the much faster and free SumatraPDF.
@@giglioflex Right.... So entrepreneurs created a product, that migrates an OS more easily than via command promt. And they want money for the product... You can still open a youtube video and do it by command prompt. ... Just use free software?
Ross-man what a statement mate. "WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING IN MY DRAWER, THAT BELONGS TO ME, IT IS NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE TO LEARN FROM"...Wow just wow that couldn't have been any more spot on!! They are literally figuratively walking right into our houses, and snooping through all our stuff🤬
Just a few months ago I pulled all adobe products from my life. It wasn't easy since I rely on the software on a daily basis but I've adapted and I feel much better now that this has come out.
I've done the same, am sick and tired of being forced to rent software and having it be a worse experience. Luckily I'm not a daily user but I'm getting used to new software (RawTherapee and Affinity Photo) that doesn't require a monthly tithing.
Seriously, Da Vinci Resolve is a beautiful piece of software. I'm a musician and the first time I tried out after using Final Cut and Premier for some years I felt right at home. It works like most creative software, like most DAW's, so it's extremely intuitive. Unlike Premier and all Adobe shit that wants to dictate you to use their software in their own way.
I worked on many cloud services. And I cannot imagine this to be legal in the EU. Also if you are in the US: Please file a complain at the FTC. It takes less than 100 for them "to get interested" in such a topic. They work slow, but they hit hard.
Solution is to call them and get a service rep to cancel it for you. As for the uninstall; I’m sure you could use command line to get rid of all of it. Not that I would know how to
the terms and services also state "We may access your content through both automated and manual methods, such as for content review" which means that they can review your content for things they don't approve of and do things like close or lock your account, or send information to the authorities. I have too much NDA work to allow a 3rd party to 'content review' my WIP to make sure there is no objectionable content. eff that, eff Adobe, going to try out the software you mentioned in this video and see where it takes me.
facebook is pulling a bad one with AI too. last week they sent out an email saying they're going to use our information as AI training data. they have an "op out" link, but this is more like an "appeal out". when you get to the opt out page they essentially require you to write an essay on why your information should not be scraped for AI training, and if it is compelling enough they may choose to opt you out. or they can just say "not good enough" and ignore your request. so instead i dug into the depths of Facebook's confusing maze of account and privacy pages to find the button to opt out of Facebook entirely... in 30 days.
I mean I wrote "I don't want it" and they honoured it, so I don't think they can choose to not do it, they're just trying to make it a cumbersome process.
@jmedia5547 they have it written on the page that they are the ones to decide. good if they choose to honor requests based on "i don't want it", but that's not how they present it.
I was considering returning to Adobe (after many, many years) for my editing. Damn! I am glad I saw this video first. I can’t beleave they are looking at our stuff, that is absolutely bonkers!
I was about to message you about it, after I tried to open my payslip today and saw that shit. GTFO Adobe, there's no f way this is legal btw, accept or you won't be able to access your personal shit. Love you Louis ❤
I hope Adobe gets a piece of their own medicine like Unity and gets abandoned by its users. Time to switch to Krita. There's just no low not being stooped to now.
Oh, and a little update for the curious, a half day prior to my cancellation of their subscription (exactly in the morning), I find out Adobe charged my paypal $200 with no explanation, no notice, and no recourse. Unethical? No. Fraud? Yes. Am I shocked? No. Am I pissed off irate? Fuck yes! We've reached the zenith of fuckness on every level and half the world is none the wiser. Scared straight.
Krita is very good, I switched to it years ago. Unfortunately it still lacks working snaps functionality and channel editing tools. But it's still was worth the switch for me.
@@SergTTL That it does. Still, we have to get involved somehow so that we could give these tools a chance to mature and help bridge the gap for other users who just want things to work without a million steps.
That's what I was thinking, also gives Adobe the right to access your file system for surveillance purposes. Imagine the Google situation all over again but with Adobe.
I try to tell people all the time, never put anything on the "cloud", it's just someone else's computer and they will have access to it. But I usually just get a blank stare.
Very well put, and can't wait for Adobe to get sued to hell and back over this. And even if they don't get the proper smack for this atrocity, then I hope they just lose the status they haven't earned for around a decade now
This contravenes the Data Protection Act in the UK 'Unauthorised Access to an Electronic System' and I've forwarded it to a mate who works at a very large car manufacturers in the states as their design teams certainly do not want anyoe seeing what they are up to!
I'm so happy to see you covering this topic. As an artist and designer I can tell you this might actually be the thing that gets a lot of us to switch to other software. I was fine paying Adobe when their programs worked, but between being an unpaid beta tested for their shit software and this BS I'm actually ready and motivated to find and learn and alternative for everything Adobe.
Another Louis Rossmann video I clicked on, just to see what it was about, and as almost always, made it all the way to the end. I sure do enjoy your talks, you're a very smart guy with your head in the right place.
My high school had a Photoshop program I took back in the day (Graduated 2017). If they continue to offer that program, the school will now be actively allowing a company to spy on their students. All the work they do on Photoshop was for homework, and most all of them had some personal information on them. Whether that was Location data, photos of family, school emails, teachers names, it was there, and it was sensitive data. Most these students won't even realize this. The parents won't realize this. Tbh, I don't even think the schools will look into this. If the school decides to realize and look into this, they will most likely just kill the program. Which, being a graphic designer all my life, that would suck. I was excited for that class every day. I can see a big lawsuit happening over this for students if they roll out the newest updates/newest photoshop software to the school's program.
I can guarantee that Education Departments will be looking into this. They already have a digital privacy team of some kind. Kids stupid shit posted to the internet is something they do care about as it blows back directly on them. Whether they have the traction to do anything about it on the other hand is another story. Someone would have to redevelop all the teaching materials for a different software and that is the kind of thing that takes a couple of years at least.
I cancelled my adobe subscription the MINUTE I opened it up and saw that notice. I refuse to give any more of my money to people who treat me like that.
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I remember hearing people who were running ancient versions of Photoshop - saying they saw no reason to upgrade. They must be laughing their heads off now.
I love Adobe X - it was free then and never disappoints.
There's no reason to upgrade. Adobe figured out a long time ago there was nothing else they could add to their software to actually improve the quality of the images, all the file types and quality settings and lossless compression was already supported forever ago, so now all Adobe does is add gimmicks and bullshit to their software that you don't need.
I have a version from the late 90s and last I checked it still worked fine. Although, I stopped using it a long time ago and it resides on an ancient machine. Still have the discs and backups, too.
Its true, most of the old versions are good enough to most things.
I'm still rocking Adobe PS3 from 2007 😂
It used to be "if you aren't paying, you're the product"
Now companies expect you to PAY TO BE the product
Yup, you’re OUR product!
And ironically, it's those of us who don't (have to) pay, who use open source software, who have the real ownership.
It was only a matter of time. The momentum didn't stop with simply monetizing your time for their profit, now we have to monetize our own time and effocts for their profit.
Now it's "If you aren't pirating, you're the product"
There's some exceptions, CSP is still safe for example, but from any of the big companies... I remember the days when finding cracked versions of software was sketchy and risked getting malware snuck in; now you have to find the crack to get the malware removed from the official releases.
@@kinezumicsp isn't safe
Let's also not forget that Adobe is giving themselves permission to violate every NDA any of their users are under.
This! I hope they get sued.
I suspect the number of legal threats they get from professionals for potentially putting them in a position to get sued themselves by clients and collaborators will cause them to revert this or add the option to opt out.
@@Fatty420 I bet there will not be any legal threat to adobe... many people with NDAs have already accepted without even reading it
Making a thumbnail for a TH-cam video that’s under NDA, editing a video that has content that’s under NDA, viewing a PDF that’s under NDA… holy smokes
Let's see how that holds up in court.
When Adobe went to the "rental software" model is when I stopped using Adobe products.
Most people didn’t do that.
Same.
Me too.
when piracy removes the malware instead of adding it
real
Soo true
Don't even pirate this garbage.
Use better software.
@@ProGentlemanis there anything better than substance painter ?
@@ProGentlemanAfter using Sony Vegas, Final Cut and Adobe. Sad to say Adobe is the best one. But pirating is probably the best option at this point. Ain't got to agree to no bs terms then 😂
I canceled my yearly plan and told their agent in chat to cancel the auto renew and they accepted.
At the end of the year, my plan renewed... I contacted Adobe the day it renewed and they told me I had to pay out the entire year if I wanted to cancel.
I told them their Agent said it wouldn't renew, they said that my plan had renewed and I would need to pay.
I told them fine. I'll cancel my card and contact the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission).
Suddenly: "Here at Adobe, we value our customer's, so this one time we will wave the cancellation fee."
Well done
I had the exact same thing happen on a mobile plan with Vodafone. As soon as I created a Complaint with the Telecons ombudsman of Australia they refunded me in 2 days
Fax, I had to cancel my shit one time and they made it complicated asf
Had a similar experience about 4 years ago, they ended up charging me a cancellation fee (2 months if I recall correctly?) instead of charging me the rest of the year. It was such a hassle to get it cancelled (and keep it cancelled) in the first place, I just took that L. Still feeling burned from that. Never going back to Adobe
Me too, deleted adobe having lost projects to them in the past.
Based
Adobe really turned their product into ransomware.
This is 100% what that is.
It's the hip thing to do, it seems.
I do not agree, they have to use excessive terms and conditions otherwise it would not be possible for their software to work as there are cloud functions (e.g they must get your data in order to do generative fill which I am using a lot). Other thing is machine learning part but you can opt out of this. Only negative thing is that content analysis is is turned on by default.
Adobe contant analysis FAQ: Let's say that you access Creative Cloud or Document Cloud via a personal account and prefer that Adobe doesn't analyze your content to develop and improve our products and services. In that case, you may turn off content analysis at any time from your Adobe account
opt out is highly important for me, because I scan confidential documents into document cloud
Someone please start a class action lawsuit against Adobe. I would love to join.
i'm sure everyone got forced into an arbitration agreement already
the TOS I'm sure already had a arbitration clause for some time now.
@@commonwealthcommunitywatch6036 i mean arbitration don't exist everywhere in the world we just need the EU to sue their asses into the ground
sign me up
@@Beefhavingforced arbitration doesn’t really work, a lot of TOS that make companies sound invincible are just fear tactics
Adobe has lost it completely. This leaves your creative projects so vulnerable to theft, loss, and slower workflow, that it is surely a sign of gross incompetence.
Incompetence or greed?
@@AcornElectron both
They never had it. They've always been anti competition and are one of the main reasons why ms windows didn't go under when linux was clearly the better os choice for everything.
I mean, they steal your work already for years.
It's by design. It's pure exploitation. People pay them to get their personal data ransacked.
You made this?
I made this.
I must be insane because if something is training off of my work I expect to be paid.
Id expect the service to be FREE if they are gonna use MY DATA to harvest. Instead you are "allowed" to pay a subscription for this crap.
I'd expect to be paid too. But this ship sailed around 2010. Google was capturing WiFi hotspot SSIDs with their street view cars, to build up a way to determine location without GPS. Their cars ended up capturing a bit more than SSIDs, and they were hauled into court by the EU for it and fined (the DOJ fined them too after they began paying the EU fines). At the same time, Apple was trying to do the same thing to prep for their release of Apple Maps. But instead of sending their employees around the world to collect WiFi SSID info like Google did, they just changed the terms of service on the iPhone allowing them to download your location and WiFi history data. Basically, every iPhone owner gave up their privacy and worked for Apple (for free) to collect this info for them.
The EU said nary a word about it. Sending the message that if you put in the work to do it yourself, you're liable and can be fined. But it's OK to just take (steal) this info from your customers.
@@xzst Imagine being an artist that invested in apple and adobe, and to this day, even in spite of this, defends them as the superior function/product.
I shit you not they do this. Of course it is always the starving artist teenage 20 something loser that will never get anywhere. That's always the kind of person defending apple and adobe. Head in the clouds, doesn't learn a single fundamental. (Then wonders why people tell them their art sucks)
No compromises, no free software should do this.
Adobe is overestimating their relevance. There are a TON of alternatives that cost next to nothing, and offer almost the same quality as Adobe products. Of course, there's always the 🏴☠route.
Saying you either give me all your stuff or you never get your stuff back again is basically robbery.
No, you can submit a GDPR data request. But yes, still unethical
@@LESLEYYY0 Only if you live in the EU. Anywhere else, you are fucked.
not basically. it is robbery. but it is legal unless challenged in court. who has 1 billion dollans?
@@LESLEYYY0 Unfortunately, only if you are in the EU.
Also, what is it with YT deleting my comments?
It's called ransomware...
I'm a high school computer science teacher, and this year I've had to remove Adobe CS from the curriculum. Too many issues with the cloud, payment errors, warning screens on paid items, crashing, etc.
The federal law should be changed to say that if a company wants to change the terms on you to continue using their product, you're entitled to get your data back AND A FULL REFUND of whatever you paid them under the old terms. You want to amend the contract we both agreed to at the outset of our relationship? Fine, let's negotiate. Otherwise continue at the old terms or fork over all the cash, because you're about to be in breach of contract and I want liquidated damages.
This is the thing I moan about to anyone who will listen. Expensive software is a joke until they sort this out.
It should be illegal to hold your property hostage from you.
It should be illegal to deny someone use of something they've paid for because one party decided to change terms.
It should be illegal to distort a product into a service when there is no need for it to be one.
There is no reason for most of this software to require an internet connection to function. It's not a necessity of what's being offered, it's malicious and extortionate design.
@@seigeengine they can rebuttal that by saying, we want to make sure the programs we made are used with the correct intention. Hence updates, when you accepted the original terms and service it does state and always has that you agree to any changes made to the software. I agree with you but law is literally written by companies and their government cronies.
if anything, they should also pay for interest on the amount you paid.
@@Kronin-n6f No they can't. They have no right to moderate how their products are used.
where the HELL are the lawmakers in ANY of this? 20 years ago there may have been an excuse for a government full of technical incompetents but the fact we still have to see headlines like this is mind numbing
Lobbying.
All bought off.
Land of the fee, home of the grave
Because the ones from 20 years ago are still in office and frequently senile. Mitch freezing for instance.
the US is a corporate communist. free money for large companies
A contract signed under duress (for example your rightful property being held hostage) can be voided in court. Remember this.
I laugh at the binding arbitration clause on MANDATORY car insurance.
This is assuming those of us out there can PAY for court.
sure, but I may not have 1M$ to try and sue Adobe for 3-5years until they find a stupid crack in the law and make me loose
@@3DEMS. The fact that Americans won't fix their court system is astounding to me, but this advice is not exclusive to the US, most developed countries have similar laws. And class action lawsuits exist as well.
If you can't afford to fight them in court then they can do whatever they want to you at any time without your permission anyway, what you signed or didn't sign is irrelevant.
A contract can only be enforced in favor of corporations and not individuals, remember this.
Adobe is now a ransomware company.
This update is so much worse than this video goes into. In theory, this would only apply to Adobe's visual editing software, but since this update was in their General User Agreement it actually applies to all of their software, including Acrobat and Reader. So they are giving themselves permission to read your PDF's as well.
This means any company that operates under any form of NDA is now violating their contracts by using Acrobat. This includes all government agencies as well. All hospitals and other medical care facilities that utilize electronic health records that involve utilize Adobe Acrobat for PDF's are now in violation of HIPAA. Entire industries are going to have to switch their software until the legalities of this are fully untangled.
I hope their arrogance will land them in court
This was the first thing I thought of. Can't open PDFs on Acrobat if they have patient data now because they contain PHI.
They are also in violation of GDPR. Fines incoming.
This could be a massive issue. I can bring some perspective on the government side. I work at a VA hospital and the federal government has a massive contract to provide basic acrobat reader functionality to all of our computers. I think this kind of updates is why we often use older versions of the software, for example we are still running a 2023 version of Adobe acrobat. I am pretty sure they are not allowed to change the terms of service at any time like they do with private consumers because as per the contract they need to provide a certain version of their application. I imagine they would be extra careful with government agencies to avoid getting on their radar more than they need to. That being said, I am 99% sure they would try to pull this off with any private entity that doesn't have the power to push back.
These are the same companies who lost their minds over IP violations. Yet their AI gets to access/steal YOUR IP.
"Access to free stuff for me, not for thee"
Adobe was always evil. I lived near cro of adobe branch in my country, he was perfectly representing adobe, huge dickwad, was driving ultra expensive cars some for 3m+ while laying minimal wage to regular workers. Eventually got arrested for tax evasion...
If my IP is yours to take as you please, then yours is mine to take as I please.
@@jer1776 yarr
All of capitalism is hypocrisy.
Imagine if when you bought a drawer from IKEA they reserved the rights to break into your house and steal/copy/photograph what you put inside your drawer at any time at any date
Edit: Please stop commenting "Erm actually" type comments. We get it, you're an intellectual
You spelled Amazon wrong.
Yes, of course, it will improve your drawer user experience. Can't wait 'till the mattress companies get on board :)
no thats not what this is.
This is a IKEA Employee sitting in your room, waiting and looking directly at everything you put in the drawer, to copy and steal it.
No, they install camera in your drawer for marketing research to better understand what people like you put in drawers to design better drawers in the future.
@@OldBenOnengl I wouldn’t mind a smart mattress that recommends me to get a new one right before my back starts to go bad because the mattress is shot or one that goes: it appears you learned new skills and positions, the mattress you currently have is only giving you 60% of the pleasure you could have.
This is a NDA nightmare, a violation of privacy in so many levels. As someone who’s been in tech since the 90s, I feel like for every single service that you have to purchase for work or pleasure nowadays comes with strings that are just not worth the hassle. I crave ownership of the things that I purchase - to use how I see fit and without any strings attached.
Switch to open source alternatives. Blender, Gimp, Krita, LibreOffice..... they're the only ones that give true freedom with no strings attached.
This is where ESG is going. You'll own nothing, and be..... "happy".
It's not just that they're scanning and using it, but that THEY GIVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT TO OWN A WORLDWIDE LICENSE TO IT. Section 4.2!
If this is indeed serious, holy shit, no professional can touch adobe to work with anymore, wtf
Insane.
They couldn't possibly get away with that. Other Fortune 500 legal teams would throw a complete fit. Or at least they should.
So effectively, by using Adobe's software, your copyright kinda becomes void since they can reproduce it and probably pass it onto a generative AI model.
And since AI generated works have been declared to not have copyright as far as I know, then yeah, you're also losing the right to defend your work from everyone.
damn, if adobe was bought out they'd own like half of the world's intellectual property since now.
2 Years From Now these companies are going to be saying "You don't actually own any of the files that you've created on your computer. They're actually our property but you can rent them as long as you subscribe to our software."
These new terms grant them a perpetual, royalty-free license to everything you create using their software, including the right to "sublicense" (i.e. sell) it to others without paying you anything.
Wow… wouldn’t that be something!! I’ll make my calendar for that.
2070 paradigm shift, Adobe is "free to play" but artists must produce content for Adobe to cover the cost of software updates. Failure to meet your monthly monetization targets will "default" your subscription contract (now classed as a financial loan according to the IRS) and they repossess your home as collateral
That's what photobucket did once they held everyone's pictures for ransom.
@@Animal_lives_matter
Don't give them ideas please
I appreciate it when Louis sacrifices monetization so he can call the people at Adobe a bunch of grapists. Worth it.
110% worth it. What's a few grand when the company is making millions of off predatory behavior.
A fitting description. It does feel like we're all being graped in the mouth.
Look, it's a loser grifter!
What is grapist?
@@wanderlust0120the “g” is silent - what word do you have now?
I used their creative suite for almost everything during my college years, and ultimately ditched them due to exactly these issues. They have no respect or appreciation for the creative types who enabled their success. This was cathartic to listen to.
What do you use now?
@Swenthorian I switched to Affinity. I've heard very good things about their creative software, and I like that it's not a subscription service.
(Sorry that I just saw this, months later - I wasn't given a notification, for some reason.)
@Swenthorian It looks like my reply didn't actually tag you. So if you see this, but didn't see the other comment, both of my replies will show up if you go to the main comments of this video, click "Newest" (at the top), and then return to this thread.
@@LiveAndLetLive2024 Thanks! I hate TH-cam's automated censorship; it's such garbage.
@@LiveAndLetLive2024 Unfortunately, I don't see any comments there from you, either. :(
Had to quickly make a job yesterday on Photoshop and I was slapped in the face with a forced arbitration popup that blocks me from using Photoshop.
To tell you I was pissed off is an understatement. Blocked all adobe services in hosts and yohoho, fuck you Adobe.
I use GIMP
try krita it is better for painting
@@seanfaherty Gimp? Really now? You obviously have no idea about Photoshop and its functions.
And no, I'm not in favor of Adobe's blackmail.
@@haraldschmidt8828 none whatsoever.
If I want an image I draw or paint it then digitize.
What I do works for me.
I’m sure paying through the ass works for you.
I did try that Krita for a bit.
I prefer oils
@@haraldschmidt8828 Yeah, GIMP sucks so hard that I can't believe people still promote it. If you want drawing, you get Krita. If you want vectors you get Inkscape. But GIMP? This thing is like a monument to all of the issues with switching to open source.
For anyone trying to cancel their Adobe subscription and are encountering the early cancelation fee, there's a pretty simple way to bypass that. All you need to do is change your current plan to another plan and then cancel the new plan. According to Adobe's own terms you have 14 days to request a refund. For reference I'm in Europe, so I'm not sure if this works everywhere, but it's worth a shot.
I'd also talk to a lawyer about it. In the U.S. a material change in the terms of a contract is usually a solid justification for termination, but I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what all is in Adobe's agreement.
There's a cancellation fee??????? I'm so glad I never payed for any Adobe products.
The fact there's even a fucking cancellation fee is wild.
Could also use a virtual credit card that links to your bank, and then just cancel that credit card.
I would just chargeback the fee.
I reported this to my company because we work with video games. If Adobe think they can filch even data that is under NDA, they'll deserve a million lawsuits over this.
Just cancelled my Adobe subscription. Screw them.
Years ago I worked at the Photo Lab, and we had customers that required secrecy for everything we printed for them. Machinery parts, flanges, bolts, gonculators, encabulators, etc.; industrial espionage is a real thing.
Every test print, every "too light / too dark" print, extras had to be shredded. Negatives and prints were secured. And we were a tiny lab, just me, the owner, and two other people.
What Adobe is doing is the equivalent of me printing these images while a tour group walks through the building, taking pix of the prints as the swirl around in fixer, and as they come out of the dryer. Then uploading the whole lot to their friends-only Facebook.
Nope! IT IS WORSE! It is down the 1's and 0's COPY. Heck you might aswell call it a clean 100% theift. Only that data is duplicatable without any negative effets on the origian. Or ones called 'masters' yet now we are not allowed to call things master. It is techinclly wrong anyways in the modern digtial world. So really seems like 100% fine to copy and use as we please software too? Seems like a fair deal. No licenses or anything. Comply Adoble with our new terms and conditions. Oh? Yea that is right. You have no options here. We are leaving!
I mean good girl Adoble! A theif that leaves you with a intact copy of what they stole? No randomsware or anything? I mean the program basicly is a tojan horse to being with... So I mean maybe the good boy Adoble is simply having the restrain to only inflict a single majort offence at a time. It would be funny how terms like master copies are not allowed anymore. When we are treated as if Adoble and the likes are our masters.
A Chinese / CCP tour group.
Worst part is? Not a single company that does this waits for you to click 'accept'. The moment that update went live, your data was scraped, whether you agree or not. No development company ties the kick off of new functionality to the 'accept' button on T&C's.
Should be legislated ?
I feel the Adobe ‘s of this world rely on only a tiny % of their users reading changes to the agreement
@@joeblue2492 This is litterly against the law in a lot of countries outside the US. Adobe will have to either end business in those countries or else be fined millions of dollars or undo this policy. Infact... they didn't announce this when you installed the program, therefore.... it's also against EU regulation.
Oh please, they didn't wait for this T&C to go out, they were probably already doing this for months, and are just now getting around to actually telling people.
@@jason2mate exactly. and that's why it was 'accept or else'. because the decision was taken (and acted upon) long ago.
@flalspspsl6858 "Creative Cloud" is not cloud based software, you still install the client on your pc.
Wait until not only you have to pay for access, allow them access to gather all your data and hold it to ransom if you don't pay the monthly subscription fee, but also when they demand a royalty payment for the work you created using their software so they get a cut of your success.
The days of "if its free, you're the product" is long gone. Now everyone paying is also the product.
“Now everyone paying is also the product.”
Huh, I remember saying that exact thing and got downvoted into oblivion, in a privacy subreddit nonetheless.
It would be insane to think that these for-profit, infinite growth chasing, privacy violating companies would not be tracking us just because we pay a few dollars a month a for a mere online service. Why would they pass that up? It’s free real estate.
@@WaylandGaming Your first mistake was using reddit.
Check the general terms section 4.2, you're allowing them to use your private data for any public purpose royalty-free:
4.2 Licences to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, licence, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform and translate the Content.
@@rfitzgerald2004looking forward to people getting copyright claims levelled against their own artwork
@@rfitzgerald2004 Terms in Secton 69.420 All employees of Adobe must sexually service me on demand and are unable to refuse.
Oh too late. Looks like everyone at Adobe is now under my binding Terms of Service they automatically opted into when I made a transaction with them! Haha!
i love having people continuing to call this shit out, keep up the good work!
That close button literally makes it extortion.
Thanks for continuing to call out companies pushing awful practices
This is going to turn into a security nightmare for businesses
That's actually my biggest hope with this. Given some of the very large creative companies that I know use their products, this has to be a legal can of worms for Adobe just waiting to blow!
@@commentinglife6175 This won't happen with large companies, unless the large companies sign off on it. They are likely to make an exception to large companies, no?
@@Jon-d8j I'm betting you are correct, but we shall see. Can also hope those agreements leak so us plebes can see the crap that Adobe is claiming access to that they agree not to do for the big companies.
@@commentinglife6175 adobe intends that, they don't want their competitors to use photoshop
Security is a fucking joke. How many times you get letters this year telling you that there was a huuuuuuuuuge data breach about 3 years ago and they identified that your account has been affected?
How many letters? I've gotten 12 for the year 2023 so far! Still getting 2023's letters in 2024! Security is an absolute *L I E.* What it really does is keep outside criminals from looking at what the internal criminals are stealing.
That is exactly precisely what this is. Anti-competitive hostage-taking out of nowhere.
This is a good thing actually, it gave me the final push i needed to cancel my adobe subscriptions. I'm finally free
happy
Same.
When my son was in high school, I paid $12 a month for Adobe's annual license. Next year went to $20. After he was out of high school, Adobe decided to charge 60 a month since he was no longer a student.
Nor he or I consciously agreed to the pay increase they decided to give themselves. Thankfully we were able to cancel, but that was hard.
I miss the days when you just bought software, and the company didn't renegotiate the terms on you overnight.
Adobe is one of the most consistent companies in the software industry.... Consistently ruining the users experience with 20+ year old code while charging increasing prices all the time while doing their best to take every penny from your wallet
I stopped Adobe back when they first required cloud... Same with Microsoft 360.
Louis, thank you for the relentless protection of user rights against all these evil money grubbing corporations. You are working for the betterment of everyone and I just wanted to thank you for that.
You know what people don't have this issues?
People that pirate Adobe
Yeah, people that pirate Adobe have problems with russian botnets instead. Or more precisely, they become a part of one.
Or people like me, who, don't use Adobe products anyway. I don't even use their PDF viewer, Firefox will load PDFs right in the browser, that's good enough for me.
I have a theory that Adobe was happy to allow piracy for many years so they became the default software for most creatives, and now we’re trapped with subscriptions forever and this cloud crap, and it’d be a big effort to avoid their software if you’re a professional
@@x_ph1l
Cool story bro, maybe try not to download stuff off suspicious websites that literally say "freesoftware" in the domain, just saying.
Yeah, as a hobbyist you can do that, not as a professional.
Remember when UbiSoft said: "You will own nothing, and you will like it." Pepperridge Farms remembers.
We will own nothing, because they forced us to own nothing. But that still don't mean 'we will like it'.
Only if this gets normalized will we 'like it'.
DON'T LET THEM NORMALIZE IT!!!!
Thousand of people agree to new terms like this all the time without even thinking about the implications. And for those who do think about it, they click anyway because they need to get their work done. It's already normalized.
I believe the World Economic Forum also said this, I think they carry a bit more weight than UbiSoft, and it's true. If you miss payments on your Tesla, they can disable your car. If your iPhone breaks, you have to get Apple to fix it. I remember having to pay $750+ because my iPhone 7+ stopped working in 2019 and they said it had 'water damage', even though it's never been splashed, let alone gone swimming, so the only option was to buy a replacement phone of the same model. If I wanted the latest model, I had to pay even more. And what choice did I have, really? I could have said F-it, I'm just gonna buy a new Android at that price, but then I'd lose all my data. You pay these companies so much money and they still own you, years later.
@@pvanukoff,
In a way, yes that is somewhat true. But that's why piracy, safe piracy (programs with no added malware), is more important than ever. The only way to take back ownership of programs, is to pirate a copy.
Remember what Gabe Newell said:
"Piracy is a result of bad service on the part of game companies."
Well that can apply to any software on the net as well. Bad service = More pirates = Taking back private ownership = Less corporate revenue = Possible better service
proper response to this, is to say "then I will buy nothing, and I will love it".
companies have made their crap so impractical to own that nowadays the only logical move is to gtfo and take ur money somewhere else.
@@mandzph,
The only problem with that, is that every company is doing this. So there's really no where else to go. You buy from X crappy company, Y crappy company, or Z crappy company, and they are all doing the same exact thing.
To buy nothing, leaves you in the same position, as buying something and still owning nothing. There is one hell of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' game going on here.
I cancelled my CC permanently after over two decades of Adobe. Everyone should. Affinity is better in every way.
Thanks for the clue! I started using Photoshop 4 and went through a lot of "upgrades" to Photoshop CS4, which Adobe doesn't bother supporting. Ripoff merchants. I paid a lot for these versions, I wish I had've used the pirated ones instead.
Adobe is about to get a Class Action suit against them…..
I certainly hope so
@@pete5405haha sure 🐈
GOOD!
Only sharks in suits benefit from class action suits.
This will not go well in the EU. It breachers the GDPR here.
The EU is too incompetent to consistently enforce anything they did that is good. The only thing we are left with are those EFFING COOKIE DIALOGS ON EVERY FFING WEBSITE WE VISIT. That kind of BS the EU can do.
I should really move to the eu….
Yea this gonna be an utter shitshow here in EU.
However, I'm probably still gonna pirate it at the end of the year since they also decided to arbitrarily up their license prices out of nowhere.. Fuck that. Adobe can go suck a dick and I'll gladly inform my clients that I'm pirating the software I use in my design services.. As if Adobe is gonna even dare think the thought of spying on this stuff.
Funny that you mention that. I'm in the EU and it seems there is still no recent ToS update. Last one I have is from February, just checked.
I'm glad you sticking to the SA verbage.
The man also loves that one south park bit.
@@RickR69You mean Adobe.
If I was the kind of guy behind those mandates I'd absolutely do that too
tThat's what it really is. They're fully and nonconsenually invading and violating their users privacy and work rights. There's no option to opt out this and keep your work, and no way to not conest and take your work else where.
@@user-eh4kh3ye5o I disagree. It's a fairly big stretch. Not wrong, just so far a reach my arms wouldn't make it.
What it is is ransomware. If you want to be more vivid, call it a hostage negotiation. You've paid them, and now they're holding your property hostage to extort you into new terms.
@@seigeengine I think a big reason Louis uses this type of verbage is because companies that are against right to repair use it against people like Louis. See that advert about how right to repair enables Sexual Assault, basically calling everyone who wants R2R a rapist etc
Amen to that.
I took Adobe out of my life when they arbitrarily canceled my software license to try to force me into their subscription service.
They claimed it was a three-year educational license, which it was not.
I am going to be having words with our legal team over this (we have one that deals with government contracts and comes out on top... They WILL be having stern words over this).
Yup, that was my first thought. Adobe reading contracts between companies and federal agencies? That cannot be legal.
Stern words only? Bruh...
The hard part is finding a legal team with the ability to take on a company like Adobe, I'm sure many have tried, but it'll be the case of he who has the most money to throw at it wins no doubt
They have become a huge liability if your customers want to keep all their stuff 100% private, and you even had to sign an NDA.
@@rfitzgerald2004 All I can say is EU. The day someone gets it to EU courts, Adobe will quite quickly change their minds. Microsoft and Facebook quickly figured that out - their available options was to lose with a big loss. Or keep fighting and end up with a huge loss.
Every single photo can contain GDRP information. Unwarranted access to that information is a bohoo. And Adobe needs to analyse to know. But if they analyse then they have already broken GDPR because they have no valid reason to need to know.
It's one thing to store a customers data in the cloud. It's a completely different matter to access the content. Backup processes does not need to analyse the content of images...
Adobe also has the most predatory subscription tactics. They'll charge you up to $55 extra to cancel a monthly-billed yearly contract for their pdf viewer.
Well, if you're paying for a pdf reader subscription then that's what you deserve.
Let me add. It's for adobe acrobat. They laude the importance of the subscription even though it's benign.
There are safe open source free solutions.
Ditch Adobe View and get Sumatra PDF and/or PDFXEdit (free and superior)
@@timothytorres26 Abode Acrobat is just one giant BLOATass
Adobe requiring a subscription was the day I stopped using adobe products and went out of my way to learn how to use open source software, and I'm glad to see they continue justifying that decision for me.
We need more people like you! Today, everyone is afraid to say what's really on their mind. Everyone is scared of accidentally offending someone. It's nice to see someone still has balls! Respect man!
"I changed the terms of our deal. Pray I don't change them again!" - Darth Vader
"Take off your fucking cape and mask you anti-consumer clown" - Louis
“I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further!”
At least Vader is cool while saying it. Adobe is just a shit company full of greedy suits.
Nice
@@Real_MisterSir They are owners of Sith Corp. And sith is an anagram for shit.
Having the filing drawer right next to him just so he can open and close it is real commitment to the bit. And I love it.
I remember the outrage when Adobe switched to the cloud. Yet there were still many defending the move as "you're now getting the latest up-to-date software" for cheaper. Never fell for it.
I don't understand how anyone does not see cloud as a scam.
That's when I made my switch to GIMP and INKSCAPE and never looked back. It's rare I can't accomplish the exact same end results. The road getting there is just a little different.
That doesn't even make sense. You don't need "the cloud" to be able to update software.
"for cheaper" - only in the short term. Bought CS4 in 2010. If I'd paid a monthly fee for the last 14 years I'd have paid more than 10x the price.
Rarely does the average person need to buy the the new suite every few years
I was about to buy Adobe's Lightroom subscription when I found videos like yours regarding its privacy policy, I am now withholding the purchase till the privacy mud clears up
Uhm you might want to look into other programs like affinity. Adobe is raising their monthly subscription prices on July 24th!! So that price you right now on their site is not current till they roll out their new pricing on July 24th!
Time for all the hospitals, clinics, and insurance companies to *IMMEDIATELY* dump Adobe.
There's absolutely NO WAY this can be HIPAA Compliant.
HIPPA isn't a real thing. Let me explain. You see HIPPA compliance matters for you. A peon. Your boss. A peon. Your boss's boss. Ect.... All the way up to the real owners and leadership. Them? They trade secrets, drugs, children, data, any commodity that peons would get prison for.
You need to understand. You have never and will never even meet the real power this world. They violate all laws, oaths, and promises as a matter of fact.
Lookup BAA for HIPAA compliance.. You'll get your answer
Hospitals won't be using Adobe products to store their images in the cloud, that's already in law.
@@MicahBBurke And who is enforcing that law? *There is no rule of law in America, and you seem to not realize this yet. Yet...*
@@Moe_Posting_Chad I have experience regarding that; hospitals and other health care providers _absolutely_ use encryption tools that are HIPAA-compliant. They have much to lose.
So now you not only don't own the software you purchase, you also don't own what you create. They are fast-tracking dystopia.
Thought it was bad enough that meta was taking our finished work. Fucking hate this new world
Not a surprise at this point. The current youtube's word censor is reaching 1984 version, while only their endorsed youtubers (preferably female) are safe in their platform after committing illegal acts.
Remember that it's always morally right to pirate Adobe products.
(But even if you pirate them, I wouldn't use it on your everyday PC)
That is why they moved to Software As A Service (SAAS).
Better is to use Free/Libre software that does not bull this bull-crap.
@@jamesphillips2285 I don't care about Linux. Too much feature creep. Bloat. Autistic UX design. No thanks. I value my time. I'll just pirate the software. Malware is not actually very common in piracy at all. Some of you are way too paranoid. Some of you suffer dunning kruger.
You run a VM just so you can always spin it back up from a backup. Not because you forgot to run your malware in a sandbox environment!
I have been using Windows and Photoshop since their first versions. But this is it, Microsoft + Adobe just made me take the leap to Linux. This is a pretty crazy world we live in. Thank you Louis and the whole open source community. Never going back to big corps.
What linux program will do the job that photoshop does? I'd like to switch too.
So, Adobe wants access to my tax returns and business documents, which I have used Adobe for in the past, not to mention every PDF that I've opened on my PC for the last 10+ years? Wtf? That means that they will have my income and business data, that they don't need to know. Lord knows who tf they will be selling that shit to in the future. Not cool man! 🙄
Oh. No. You see. Think of all the third parties that will over the course of the rest of time, access your data. How many criminals are lined up around Adobe's points of access, just sniffing for the next big venerability?
This is a racket. We don't live in a just society and the State does nothing but rob us! The whole point is for Adobe to streamline their ability to rob you and forward that data to the government and its "NGO" shell companies. The whole point is to monitor every moment of every man woman and child's life. This is just one grain of sand towards that desert of freedom.
I mean I guess if someone's dumb enough to use use cloud to store their files then yeah that's happening to you.
@@vizulefllry don't blame the consumer. the soda companies did this shit in the 1970s to introduce plastic bottles and fuck over the enviornment. all it ends up as is worse for us.
@@vizulefllry This isn't only happening to cloud-based files. It's happening to locally stored files too, because the Adobe suite of software access those files while connected to an online registry server- which is the entire reason they're able to do this shit in the first place.
Before now, the files would still be yours because there wasn't any system integrated to actively scan whatever the Adobe software have access to while open. But now they have access to it all locally too, not just in the cloud based storage..
@@Real_MisterSir Do you have a source for me where this is confirmed? Because this will be a major problem where I work :(
2:25-3:00 I love the delivery, particular 2:43 onwards. A clear demonstration of a man who knows his message and can deliver it how it should be delivered. Louis you're a legend and 100% right.
In the late 90's I was watching C-Span and there was this Congressman supporting a bill to prevent people from using digital cameras to record "bad stuff". His idea was to force camera makers to make them capable of recognizing evil images, and also transmit the photo, the GPS coordinates, the date, time and registered owner of the camera in real-time to some Federal regulatory or law enforcement entity. At the time, I thought he was crazy, " how would they be able to add all those functions to a camera and keep them economically viable?" I thought. In the late 90's there was no idea of the smart phones we have today. I guess what I am saying is that Congress was working on a way to look over your shoulder and enforce law on us before the tech existed, and now that it exists, do you suppose they still want to look over your shoulder? Yes, they do. Adobe PHOTOSHOP.... Is pictures. Apple cloud is for photos, if you have it, they can, and do look at your photos. Back in the day, if you took photos you had to get the developed, and the one-hour photo kiosks and drive-throughs were staffed with alphabet agents, this was how they would spy on our interests, so...yeah, it's all about spying on you. That's why I, personally, have been living what I call the "transparent life", where I assume someone is watching, and listening to me 24/7, since 1994. But, as a fiction writer, I am very cautious not to use any cloud services for storage purposes, perfect Paranoia is perfect awareness.
And perfect awareness leads to perfect preparedness.
That's really cool and all. I'm just waiting to get some *red stained Level 3 Blue helmets!* If you get my drift. Level 3 < 5.56 NATO.
Is that a Golden Years reference??
Actually in the late 90's something like a modern smartphone isn't so outlandish, the tech actually does exist. It hasn't reached consumer market price points or become nearly as versatile as modern ones but still the actual device is an evolution of things like PalmPilots. So perhaps for once the Politician was actually reading the tealeaves and seeing the way the personal electronics explosion was moving - not actually a hard prediction to make by the late 90's.
Also these days its not the governments wanting to monitor you that is the problem, its all the companies that can EULA roofie you without any oversight or limitations at all, and quite possibly ignore whatever legal safeguard you would have by operating out of some other nation where the rules are different. Plus as the politician is usually an idiot or at the very least uneducated on every subject they have to work with, which is really fair enough they are generalists. They have to be part of the debates on every aspect of every element of governance and nobody could be a real expert at it all. So hopefully they find and then listen to a collection of experts who can do the "Idiots guide to __" and then debate on how each bit fits into the grander picture. However usually their only real interest is sounding/looking like they are 'tackling the problem' but not having to do anything and finding some nice super well paid job to retire into...
@@foldionepapyrus3441 All of that EULA roofie stops when you stop their hearts. Violence works. And that's why they try so hard to convince us the public that violence is a no go.
I love how these companies think they can do criminal type shit as long as it's written into their TOS giving them permission
Don't stand for this and reject them. Do not pay for these services. Stop being held hostage
Man, people working under an NDA or on confidential data must be shitting themselves right about now
I know for sure as an independent artist, I sure am.
Yeah i can imagine.
While, by no means, is this reasonable. To some degree Adobe users shouldn't be surprised. You store your data in Adobe's cloud, they have full control over you. I lived through the personal computer revolution. The promise was that you'd have your very own computer on everyone's desk. Why does everyone keep wanting to use Adobe's computers?
The same clause has existed for 11 years. They should've probably shat their pants for a long time now.
So clients should point out that this violates their NDA.. I made so much sensitive stuff in Adobe (presentations for next years line for for instance Nike, Nike doesn't want anyone looking over your shoulder, I'm under a heavy NDA... so... I see a problem there. Commercials for upcoming films for Warner, they probably wouldn't like Adobe looking over your shoulder)... Clients could say they don't want you to use Adobe any longer because of this... And by god I hope that happens... Let Adobe die as the industrial standard.. Please..
Yeah this clause has existed for over a decade.
@@TunaIRL I stopped work at that studio 15 years ago... So I missed that... geez these people... I haven't used Adobe for that long.. I did one or 2 years of subscription, when it became a thing, because my boss payed for it... But when my boss died and his studio with him... I went on to do other things I work in events now as an AV tech.. And if I do video-editing (if I have to make something for a videowall for a dj or something corporate or whatever.. I will make my own, toss them into Resolume and have fun with them) for myself I use a combination of Da Vinci Resolve and blender (blender for compositing and 2d animation like I would do in After Effects).. I haven't looked back in regret once... It took a bit of getting used to though.. The thing is you're not going to have that option working in the industry because everything you get will be made with the last version of Adobe...
There is a reason Adobe became the industry standard, because it used to be really good, everything nicely integrated... Seamless workflow between programs... It was a good package, only right now they are abusing their status... And it's frankly sickening.. But if you look around, I'm sure the industry could land on a new standard... If they wanted to...
@@jazzdirt I'm pretty worried about the fact that no one actually researched what actually happened. This also means no one is talking about the actual problem here. Which is simply the complexity of legal language to laymen. Adobe isn't doing anything weird or shady, they have to ask for these licences for legal reasons.
Even TH-cam owns a licence to Lous' video here and can do anything they want with it according to people's interpretation of the TOS. In truth there is nothing malicious going on, the legalese is simply complex and requires thorough reading and understanding.
People love to have an enemy to fight against and right now it's Adobe. This means people have an incredibly biased view of what they do and are willing to misinterpret and even lie about what's happening to progress their own agenda. I really don't support this form of pushing fixes to issues, but it is what the masses have decided to do most of the time.
@@TunaIRL I've seen this normalized in my lifetime... It's not... normal.
The legalese exists to make sure there's absolutely no one reading the TOS anymore.. except for those persistent mfs that should have become lawyers... So 99% of people won't know what's in paragraph 6 on page 57 of the EULA or TOS.. And they are using that to slowly take every bit of ownership.. So basically making a profit by selling you absolutely NOTHING.. fried air... You get to use their service, until they decide you can't. For whatever arbitrary reason they can come up with..
In case of Adobe probably preventing you from using your actual years of work... Adobe literally can take your life's work hostage at a whim. Which is an F-ed up situation in any way you look at it.. except for the folks where the money flows to... They have a pretty rosy perspective on the whole thing, cushioned and protected by the legal maze they set up for you (You want to sue over this.. yeah, you can't, because we snuck in forced arbitration in the EULA last year already, so you can talk to the hand because DoJ is not listening)... They have gotten so big that they don't have to care about the user experience any longer.. They've made it.. Now they can just think about how to squeeze as much out of this "thing" as they can..
And if a lot people start to leave, they say sorry once, and just continue down the path...
When I grew up manuals contained schematics, and tips and tricks for maintenance for the longevity of your product..
Now it's filled with legalese, bordering and curbing liability and helpful tips such as:
Don't put the hamster in the device...
Do not eat the silica or batteries...
Product ownership has become a caricature of itself.. This is not normal...
It's also not just one enemy, the enemy is the current "trend".. The direction things are moving in... Adobe being messed up like that is a symptom of a bigger ailment... It's also not just Adobe.. It's everywhere.. hence "trend"..
The world is moving in a direction driven by capitalism and greed, that we don't want to move in... It wasn't always like this.. and this is NOT normal. There was a time when companies actually took pride in delivering to you a "grade A" device, that would last you a lifetime.. As a show of competence. (There are 200 year old watches that still run today, because the maker took pride in his work). Because your quality was your reputation. This was before companies got so big, they could afford to "not care"...
This is not good for the environment, because of planned obsolescence creating a huge pile of garbage.. And we are depleting our resources doing this...
This is not good for consumers... Because profits must grow is the rule, rather than profit being based on the quality of the actual product... Everything will keep inflating until it bursts...
And eventually it's not good for the economy either... The short term thinking is leading to a point where the economy just wont recover anymore... Because the waste of resources is also economically not viable or sustainable in the long run...
This way of living is costing us way more than the short term gains we (well at least some of us) are winning from it... But some people just think about themselves and if short term gains mean you can live well, while after you the world, will be on fire they don't care.. It doesn't affect them...
@@jazzdirt The legalese makes sure it's legally sound, not to deter people from reading it. More modern TOS have both kinds of language. Obviously the legalese wouldn't be needed if it was there for no reason. Again, people are simply not understanding what the core issue is and are making claims they don't have much knowledge about.
Also the legalese isn't even that complex to read, it just requires some thought. Which seems to be past most people nowadays. Everything needs to be served in bite sized chunks for people to be able to read through them.
I'm still using Adobe Photoshop CS6, the last version before subscription-based slaveware.
I still have Photoshop 7.0.
It's about twenty years old.
But this bullshit is yet another reason why I'm learning CSP instead.
@@Shenorai Got both, because there's some plugins that hate CS6. And it's 7.01 actually, not that the update had that much in it. Ah, the days of software that was stable enough when it shipped...
They've killed the auth servers for CS 3 and 4, effectively making it impossible to reinstall the software. It probably be long before 5 and 6 meet the same fate.
@@swolfington Mine's been running on a VM for years, there won't ever be a reinstall ;) Trading 16GB for "no re-install ever, system backup is 'copy the files' " is a no brainer. One VM has PS7+Corel12, one has PS CS6 +Corelx16,etc... drive space is cheap, time isn't.
( VMWare Workstation is free now, shameless plug for my fave hupervisor :D )
@@swolfington CS2 was legally "free" I think even now
I discovered your channel a couple months ago, and I’m hooked. Even when it’s about topics I don’t know anything about and/or never thought to care about, I love hearing what you have to say about them. You have a way of conveying important points that’s succinct and real. You’re good at explaining things. This channel is an absolute treasure trove.
But hey man, can you stop saying “roofied”? I’m just as appalled by these brazen breaches of trust as you are, but dude, being roofied shakes your whole reality. You wake up in a strange place. It’s still dark. What time is it? Where’s your phone? You’re disoriented, foggy, a little dizzy, but you’re lucid enough to know you’re in a completely different place from where you last remember being. Oh fuck, you’re naked, you realize. Oh wait, there’s your underwear, by your feet. What the fuck? The room is spinning, everything feels heavy, it takes tremendous effort to move your limbs.
Your heart’s racing now. You’re just lucid enough to register that you’re alone in a bedroom you don’t recognize. The last thing you remember is a rowdy round of shots at the bar, going to the bathroom, and then some flashes of being carried out…by who? Friends? Nothing after that. It’s like being under anesthesia, because that’s what roofies are. Someone puts something in your drink and then you’re out, no memory of what happened. they have their way with you and figure, what’s the harm? She won’t remember it.
This shit is so, so fucking dark. It’s life-ruining. It makes people want to end their lives. Please stop using that as an image to convey corporate cynicism. You’re doing fine, you’re not losing your sense of self and reality because Adobe’s pricing has moved to a nakedly exploitative structure.
You could have just said “rape”, and that would have been too flippant about actual rape, but you went so much further with the roofie thing.
I have a hard time believing you feel that what Adobe is doing is the same as roofieing someone. Either that or you refuse to think about what “roofie” means as a transitive verb.
I’m not saying “Well a handful of people experience this thing I’m using as hyperbole, so it should be seen as hyperbole.” I’m saying it’s way, way more common than you might think. It’s horrifically common.
TL;DR Seriously dude, what the fuck? ROOFIED?
I have watched your content for over a decade (first time commenting). You have always given it to everyone straight. Reddit is blowing up over this as well.
I control at least 100 Adobe Subscriptions and will be cancelling them all next week, and moving them to alternatives (including PDF Editing).
The scariest part of this is the right to keep your own IP. If Adobe can view, modify, and reuse your IP at its discretion, patents and designs, entire branding, and every artists individual creative work can be resold and slapped on a Walmart shirt with no penalty.
I believe an awakening is coming to the IT world. Meraki charging more for the same Dashboard licensing “just because”. Sophos moving away from competitor offers… gtfo.
“Give your money to companies that deserve it” - Excellent Advice
I used to buy every new version of Adobe Photoshop until they switched to a subscription-based model. I kept using CS6 until it became outdated, and then I switched to GIMP.
How much productive you are .. gimp vs photoshop
@@GreenDriveIndia Since he can still work even during a DOS attack, I would say more productive.
@@robertsmith2956 I meant offline cs6 vs gimp. I am also using gimp
Good that you are using GIMP
Btw CS6 runs well in WINE
Outdated??? Some of us out here still using CS4. (switching to CSP currently)
The funny thing is if you cancel their apps because you don’t agree to the new term of service you get charged an early termination fee.
That's extortion.
It boggles my mind that anyone uses their actual credit/debit card for anything, and that people subscribe to anything!
Talk to a lawyer. Unilateral changes like that usually aren't enforceable.
@@Moe_Posting_Chad touch grass.
@@megamastah I have worked for the payment card industry. I know all about interchange fees and the rest of it.
You would be shocked if I told a black man to get off my buss. But you don't bat an eye when anyone is removed from *all banking in America.*
That's what happens when you say "it doesn't affect me" one too many times
This!.. 100 Million views please. Everyone needs to hear this.
Your new videos ranting about privacy really really resound with me. When apple started I clouding all of my personal files, and then telling me I had to pay for cloud storage I thought wtf?!?! Yeah no fing way. I'm with you
I always cautious from the first time Adobe offered Cloud based service, they would become a Ransomware. What do you know, they did it.
I learned the hard way that any software that saves its data into proprietary format that cannot be opened by another 3rd party software is randsomware.
I like how Audible gives you access to your purchased books even after you end a subscription.
Libation will let you download your audible audiobooks to your PC for truly permanent ownership. I like audible too, but I've been burned enough in the past by other companies to know better. Never trust an online service to be able to provide you with something you purchased in perpetuity.
Team leader at work today sent a PDF document which was in the wrong orientation. Only wanted to rotate the document to the correct orientation. Was hit with a paywall demand for £30 a month to use the rotate function. I told him to tell Adobe to "do one" and open it up in the web browsers PDF viewer and hit the rotate button to rotate the document for free.
I think you can get around it by rotating using the "sign" the document section.
Imagine charging money for a pdf editor. They charge money for the fucking viewers now too!
@@Moe_Posting_Chad Yeah it's crazy but a lot of software is locking down features that were previously free and now want money for them. Partition management software is another example, you have to pay to migrate your OS pretty much in any software now. The only other solution is to do it manually via command prompt but most people aren't savvy enough for that.
They have buried the rotate function in the view menu, but the fact that they did that and tried to charge for something so elementary is why I got rid of Adobe Reader and replaced it with the much faster and free SumatraPDF.
@@giglioflex Right.... So entrepreneurs created a product, that migrates an OS more easily than via command promt. And they want money for the product...
You can still open a youtube video and do it by command prompt.
... Just use free software?
That’s an inspiring title and I’m here for it Mr. Rossman
This is old school talk radio we need more of this
📻 Mexican 📻 ...
Ross-man what a statement mate. "WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING IN MY DRAWER, THAT BELONGS TO ME, IT IS NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE TO LEARN FROM"...Wow just wow that couldn't have been any more spot on!! They are literally figuratively walking right into our houses, and snooping through all our stuff🤬
Just a few months ago I pulled all adobe products from my life.
It wasn't easy since I rely on the software on a daily basis but I've adapted and I feel much better now that this has come out.
I've done the same, am sick and tired of being forced to rent software and having it be a worse experience. Luckily I'm not a daily user but I'm getting used to new software (RawTherapee and Affinity Photo) that doesn't require a monthly tithing.
Seriously, Da Vinci Resolve is a beautiful piece of software. I'm a musician and the first time I tried out after using Final Cut and Premier for some years I felt right at home. It works like most creative software, like most DAW's, so it's extremely intuitive. Unlike Premier and all Adobe shit that wants to dictate you to use their software in their own way.
I worked on many cloud services. And I cannot imagine this to be legal in the EU. Also if you are in the US: Please file a complain at the FTC. It takes less than 100 for them "to get interested" in such a topic. They work slow, but they hit hard.
Thanks for standing up and being direct about this instead of dancing around it in a "friendly" way. Much appreciated.
I saw a tweet saying they can't unsubscribe or even uninstall the software without accepting the terms first.
Solution is to call them and get a service rep to cancel it for you. As for the uninstall; I’m sure you could use command line to get rid of all of it. Not that I would know how to
the terms and services also state "We may access your content through both automated and manual methods, such as for content review" which means that they can review your content for things they don't approve of and do things like close or lock your account, or send information to the authorities.
I have too much NDA work to allow a 3rd party to 'content review' my WIP to make sure there is no objectionable content. eff that, eff Adobe, going to try out the software you mentioned in this video and see where it takes me.
facebook is pulling a bad one with AI too.
last week they sent out an email saying they're going to use our information as AI training data.
they have an "op out" link, but this is more like an "appeal out".
when you get to the opt out page they essentially require you to write an essay on why your information should not be scraped for AI training, and if it is compelling enough they may choose to opt you out.
or they can just say "not good enough" and ignore your request.
so instead i dug into the depths of Facebook's confusing maze of account and privacy pages to find the button to opt out of Facebook entirely... in 30 days.
I mean I wrote "I don't want it" and they honoured it, so I don't think they can choose to not do it, they're just trying to make it a cumbersome process.
@jmedia5547 they have it written on the page that they are the ones to decide.
good if they choose to honor requests based on "i don't want it", but that's not how they present it.
I was considering returning to Adobe (after many, many years) for my editing. Damn! I am glad I saw this video first. I can’t beleave they are looking at our stuff, that is absolutely bonkers!
I was about to message you about it, after I tried to open my payslip today and saw that shit. GTFO Adobe, there's no f way this is legal btw, accept or you won't be able to access your personal shit.
Love you Louis ❤
I hope Adobe gets a piece of their own medicine like Unity and gets abandoned by its users. Time to switch to Krita. There's just no low not being stooped to now.
Oh, and a little update for the curious, a half day prior to my cancellation of their subscription (exactly in the morning), I find out Adobe charged my paypal $200 with no explanation, no notice, and no recourse. Unethical? No. Fraud? Yes. Am I shocked? No. Am I pissed off irate? Fuck yes! We've reached the zenith of fuckness on every level and half the world is none the wiser. Scared straight.
Krita is very good, I switched to it years ago. Unfortunately it still lacks working snaps functionality and channel editing tools. But it's still was worth the switch for me.
@@SergTTL That it does. Still, we have to get involved somehow so that we could give these tools a chance to mature and help bridge the gap for other users who just want things to work without a million steps.
@@di4352 yes I fully agree
Did you see the part where they say that they can remove your license if they don't like something you created?
That's what I was thinking, also gives Adobe the right to access your file system for surveillance purposes.
Imagine the Google situation all over again but with Adobe.
Damn! Well... I for one am glad people are waking up to this criminal behavior. This is simply theft.
I try to tell people all the time, never put anything on the "cloud", it's just someone else's computer and they will have access to it. But I usually just get a blank stare.
Let 'em learn the hard way. That's how most people today have to learn things.
Very well put, and can't wait for Adobe to get sued to hell and back over this. And even if they don't get the proper smack for this atrocity, then I hope they just lose the status they haven't earned for around a decade now
This is why I like to use open source software, not cloud connected junk.
Most of the cloud runs on open source software. It isn't about open source vs closed source but it is about control.
This contravenes the Data Protection Act in the UK 'Unauthorised Access to an Electronic System' and I've forwarded it to a mate who works at a very large car manufacturers in the states as their design teams certainly do not want anyoe seeing what they are up to!
I'm so happy to see you covering this topic. As an artist and designer I can tell you this might actually be the thing that gets a lot of us to switch to other software. I was fine paying Adobe when their programs worked, but between being an unpaid beta tested for their shit software and this BS I'm actually ready and motivated to find and learn and alternative for everything Adobe.
Another Louis Rossmann video I clicked on, just to see what it was about, and as almost always, made it all the way to the end. I sure do enjoy your talks, you're a very smart guy with your head in the right place.
My high school had a Photoshop program I took back in the day (Graduated 2017). If they continue to offer that program, the school will now be actively allowing a company to spy on their students. All the work they do on Photoshop was for homework, and most all of them had some personal information on them. Whether that was Location data, photos of family, school emails, teachers names, it was there, and it was sensitive data.
Most these students won't even realize this. The parents won't realize this. Tbh, I don't even think the schools will look into this.
If the school decides to realize and look into this, they will most likely just kill the program. Which, being a graphic designer all my life, that would suck. I was excited for that class every day.
I can see a big lawsuit happening over this for students if they roll out the newest updates/newest photoshop software to the school's program.
I can guarantee that Education Departments will be looking into this. They already have a digital privacy team of some kind. Kids stupid shit posted to the internet is something they do care about as it blows back directly on them.
Whether they have the traction to do anything about it on the other hand is another story. Someone would have to redevelop all the teaching materials for a different software and that is the kind of thing that takes a couple of years at least.
Schools seem to love the most consumer-unfriendly products. They've embraced iPads and Chromebooks.
I cancelled my adobe subscription the MINUTE I opened it up and saw that notice. I refuse to give any more of my money to people who treat me like that.