To the point of the VCR. If you're paying for cable television, a transaction has already occurred. So you've already paid for the broadcast. Still unsure as to where I stand on this topic.
Is that true? I think it's more like you paid for the internet. Paying for the internet allows you the ability to access the content, it doesn't mean you have paid for the content.
@@rossmanngroup I think subscribing to cable tv is more like subscribing to TH-cam Premium rather than paying for internet access. I always thought is just double dip having ads inside a cable tv subscription, when you compare to Netflix and services alike.
What about PBS, Fox, ABC, CBS, Broadcast antenna TV. You're not paying for a cable subscription to access that content and still get adds served to you. If you us your VCR to skip those adds is that really any different from this topic?
In recent times the agreement that you make when subscribing is a *license* agreement. You are not paying for the content of the broadcast but the right to view it *under the terms of the license* (which most of them say you are not allowed to make a copy). One of the few reasons that copies continue to be allowed is that we have people fighting in courts to invalidate “unreasonable” clauses from those licenses. For example: multiple companies have tried to restrict your viewing of specific broadcasts to a single time *and* a single device, wanting to force you to pay again if you view it on a second device. What happens if someone’s first device breaks, or they have a screen reader for accessibility? Some companies are quite happy to be rigid and demand payment again, but thankfully people push back to make those usages legal no matter what the license agreement says.
That's because of the rampant use of AdBlock. They now have to serve more and more ads to the users who don't block to compensate. It's a vicious cycle.
Agreed. Without adblock or equivalent, more than half of modern pages on the net make me feel like gouging my eyes out. If I want to read articles without ad-blocking, I have to cover ads with other windows or re-scale the page so ads land off-screen.
if ads were really skipabble i would have never used adblockers@@Rjean-paul, youtube made the situation unsustainable themselves, and them i saw how the rest of the internet is better with adblocks, if only we could block outdoors in real life too
We need to look back to see, why adblock was made in first place. Like 15 years ago (or earlier), ads was getting more and more annoying on websites. Big ads made in flash player with autoplay video, popup ads covering article that you was reading, ads with X button that was "running away" from mouse. Popup ads was so annoying that web browsers implemented native popup blockers that are present to this day (nobody calls build-in popup blocker illegal/piracy) So technically adblockers are result of mistakes made in past. Who knows if adblockers would be as popular now as there are, if ads back then wasn't made annoying and intrusive.
Lol for real, i've tried to suffer through watching on TV with my brothers/parents, and sit through 2 15-30s unskippable ads multiple times in a videos
YES. I can hardly stand watching someone else's TH-cam these days. Someone said elsewhere in the content "the seller sets the price." Well, guess what? I set the value of my time.
Fundamentally, people don’t understand, that advertisers WOULD strap you down _Clockwork Orange_ style and force you to watch the ads with the content if they could.
@@JoRoBoYo prime video literally does that, additionally i got really pissed yesterday because 2/3 of the shows aren't even included in the subscription, so i am paying to see advertisements of shows on onther subscriptions (MGM,Starzs,Looke) everytime im searching for something to watch, and it is not even a side ad, it is mixed with the content that i have access to
There were rumours about a tech that watches your eyes, and if you don't pay attention to the add you can't proceed. If this becomes an actual thing, it will be time to riot.
I understand what you try to say but what you write isn't logical. If cows taste good, that means mammals taste good. I'm not ready to eat dogs, cats, humans, ... See?
Literally not even impossible. They might demand that the cameras on smartphones be active for the user to have access to content. People these days are so apathetic about privacy that they'll just click the "accept" button.
Advertising absolutely ruined it for themselves back in the early days of the internet with tons of banners, popups, noisy auto play videos etc. People reacted, reasonably, by blocking that shit. Now we're meant to suddenly trust them again and drop all shields? I don't think so - once bitten, twice shy.
very much this. adverts auto running with sound? fake [x] buttons that wont close the add but forward you to the link? most of this was and still is extremly instrusive and sometimes even breaks the actual contant (the webpage). the amount of people that read up on how adblockers work wouldnt be a fraction without the pure necessity to do so. OH and the whole argument "content creators live by adverts" is kinda lame too. There was a youtube before the creators made any money - and arguably this was the better version of this platform. The need for competition for search rankings, front page time and ad revenue has many negative impacts on this platform and arguably the overall quality of the content has not improved (on a technical level sure.. but on an artistic level certainly not)
"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” Gabe Newell was right. "Piracy" via adblock is an act of rebellion against bad practice that hinders usage of the service. It's like pirating a game that has DRM so bad it constantly shuts down legal buyers but gets stripped by pirates. If we want to get around it, give people an option or ability to watch without interruptions, ads hog bandwidth makes it hard on mobile data or rocky connections, often breaking the video. TH-cam does have a premium to nix ads, but then all it offers, "Pirates" already offer better, basic functionality that should be part of the service out the gate, not paywalled, things like listening to music unfocused. Google is the biggest delivery system for ads, and they can't figure out a better form of advertisement to not be intrusive? I don't think so.
twitch spends more effort/my adblocker spends less effort on their site. any chinese streaming site will spend 10x the effort in adblock circumvention in my experience
I get and agree with your point, 100%. I have done less pirating myself once I actually had a way to buy things I wanted. The difference between my ability to buy content in 2022 and 2002 is crazy, and as a result, I don't even have a usenet service subscription anymore. To be real here though, they gave you youtube red which removes every ad on every creator for $10/mo and people still adblock youtube. If $10/mo for everything isn't enough then I don't know what is. Linus literally built his own platform that he offers very affordable subscriptions on if you dislike youtube that does not have the youtube ads. If you like youtube it's $10/mo not just for him, but to be ad free for every creator on the platform. If I were him I'd throw my hands up in the air and give up on the idea of pleasing anyone at that point.
@@rossmanngroup Yeah you're right, but alphabet can afford it and there's NO WAY I'm paying money into them. I will support who I choose to support, as and when I can afford to do so, but I will support them directly. NOT through some company that is only going to pass on 1/3rd of my donations or purchases. If YT were a more fair and less censorial platform who applied their rules without discrimination equally to all parties involved, I might think differently. But while I as an adult am being told what I can and cannot see, what I can and cannot say, beyond the grounds of what is generally acceptable public behaviour, nah... YT can choke on that big ol bag of dirty roosters.
Perhaps Ad Nauseam is the way to go it blocks ads but also generates clicks on blocked ads so the content creator is paid and being an omni clicker it breaks tracking because it clicks everything. The only one getting screwed is the advertiser seems like a good way to do things given TV Commercials are paid for whether or not they are watched or fast forwarded. Honestly click based payment is problematic because it allows advertisers to not pay for advertising unless they get a user interaction out of it which is not how advertisers should pay content creators for hosting your ads without expecting a return.
Adblockers were a response to massively overwhelming, intrusive, and malicious ads, and we're all the better for having them. Back in the 00s, Ad companies were unscrupulous and had absolutely no regulation on the net. Most served malware/viruses, not to mention the Flash-based ads with seizure-inducing flashing and sounds, the popups and click-jackers that would force-open new tabs if you so much as tried to click anywhere on a website, Gambling/Pr0n/other adult ads on otherwise innocent websites. Fake "Download" buttons so you never knew where to click. No, I'll never feel bad about using an Adblocker.
Omg yes. I am not the type of person to go on questionable sites, but the amount of times I'd get malware on my pc prior to adblockers existing was so frustrating. Funny thing, ever since they came out and I started using them I've not had any issues. So no, I don't feel bad about all the youtubers I watch not getting the .0001 cent they would have from my ad view either.
Bullshit. I remember when Ad Blockers started. They started after the first shitstorm ads (pop-ups, whole screen ads, audio ads, flashing ads etc) was limited to shadiest of shady sites. Even Geocities and similar free space providers calmed down before AdBlockers started. Mostly because at that time there wasn't any plugin support for browsers and ads were hosted at site provider's side so you couldn't really screen them but they weren't a thing during the worst of times.
I don’t use ad blocker. Despite their technology the overwhelming majority of ads that are delivered to me have zero relevance or connection to me. I am continually amazed about the ads I receive. Ads like this are a form of violence. TH-cam fires ads at you just because they are paid to do so, and force you to watch them for a lot longer than is comfortable, however I have once or twice seen something that i actually ended up buying and found useful.
Yes, if ads were confined to static, tastefully made items that were seamlessly integrated into the site, I doubt I ever would have felt the desire to block them. But instead people thought the best way to advertise was to use pop-ups, seizure-inducing flash animations, huge banner ads that lumbered after you as you scrolled down the page, and any other way they could get your attention. Even if it was so annoying that the only effect it had on you was to make you swear to yourself that you would never, EVER, buy the product or service being advertised just on the principle of how annoying their advertising was! So of course, I started using adblockers. There are a few channels I watch regularly and highly value their content. So for those what I do is open my secondary browser and open tabs for some of those channels. I mute the audio, set the video res to 144p, set the playback speed to 2x. Then I go to the video tab on their channels and press the "play all" button, and minimize the browser. This way those channels get to play all their ads that are never skipped. The playback speed goes to normal when playing ads which is fine. It usually takes almost a week to play all the videos on a channel. Then I will restart that browser to release all the ram it was using, load up other sites I watch and do it again. Once I have cycled through them all I start again. My system is on 24/7 so it's not costing me any extra money to do this, and it negates the guilt I would feel if I didn't do this for my favorite channels.
In countries like mine dowloading copyrighted stuff or using peer to peer networks is not even piracy. Piracy only occurs if you resell copyrighted material and make a profit out of it, like seting up a website to sell mickey mouse t-shirts and other knock offs. It would actually make more sense to sue advertisers for unauthorized use of personal data in order to make a profit
For me, the last straw was the uninterruptible commercials in the middle of the video, with the volume much higher than the content of the video. I installed uBlock and I'm very satisfied, I'm not going to turn it off.
For me the reason why I did it is *since 18th November afaik they began shoving ads on non monetized and no copyright claim videos.* Which happens to me. It disgruntled me Edited the date
@@laravelisbullschitt3281 The current ad music “meta” appears to be ukulele, whistling and / or lame “folksy” singing, and claps and stomps for percussion. I feel the same as you.
@@ADreamingTraveler what's funny is the unskipable double ads make you skip more or not pay attention. So let's say there's a actual good ad, you want to watch the whole thing, but just as it ends, you forget to skip it (because in this case the first ad was skippable but you didn't casually it was good) and the second ad starts playing and it's not skippable, the next time a cool ad comes on, you skip right away
@@SilverStarHeggisist Yeah, with advertisements, they get too greedy and scummy, then have the nerve to act like people are the scum of the earth for trying to block that trash
Seeing as I pay per byte to even use the internet, ads are literally stealing my data usage for content I do not wish to download. Imagine having to pay a postage for ads in the mail or paying for minutes from telemarketer spam calls. Ads are one of the main reason I don't even watch TV anymore.
Another reason why adblockers are a necessity. Even if I had 100GB/month, I wouldn't want to waste any. Kind of unrelated, but I wonder what the carbon footprint of the entire advertising industry is at this point
@@JimAllen-Persona Chrome has extensions that can block. Chrome is put out by Google. The adblockers extensions are authorized by Google. Go talk to Google about that.
FortuneZero I always allowed up to thirty seconds of ads to play in order to support my favourite creators. Until I found out that TH-cam were playing ads on unmonetised creators and content. Now I NEVER allow ads to play. Everyone loses! 🍌😤
One thing I think is actually interesting is that individuals using an ad-blocker incentivises companies to sponsor individual creators, which actually makes it BETTER for creators, so that have more liberty over the ads that are served to their audience. It's a little counter-intuitive that it works this way, but it means that any creator who uses sponsorship is going against the main monetization stream of the platform. If anything, I think that spaces like TH-cam and TikTok should accept that the scene has changed and do more to help creators find sponsorships, negotiate pricing, and then be able to skim off a part of that sponsorship because they are providing the platform. I think that's fair and innovative and also works to the best interest of the audience, who (rationally) have learned not to trust the ads that are fed to them by companies. For the most part, ads are predatory and mostly get to feed on the same portion of the population again and again. Great video! I'm pretty sure this is the first video of yours I've seen, and it's amazing quality. (edit) That being said, I think that individual creators should work on figuring out if they want to monetize their videos and what that might mean for them, and I think that TH-cam should do more for creators to make sure they aren't getting unfairly demonetized or striked, because they owe that to their creators.
SponsorBlock. Most sponsors on YT are also scummy and don't deserve money (there are well-documented essays and documentaries about most of the controversial ones like BetterHelp or Audible).
A good portion of the ads on TH-cam are blatant scams. It would be irresponsible not to protect yourself and your family from scammers. Hard to call that piracy.
By that metric, you probably do not watch pre-election campaigns because they are also full of lies and scams to get this or that con man elected, turning your eyes away from what is happening hardly makes things any better, you need to educate your family not shield it from the reality of present days, which you at least partially doing by watching this channel. Think about some better excuse next time.
If i see one more add for free money through some health program. Using edited clips of famous people I'll gladly pass. Claiming its piracy while also not filtering what is advertise or its legitimacy.
I have found advertising in any form just depressing. I hate being advertised to and find it at times actually exhausting. I wish the world wasn't this way and I fear what the future has in store.
advertising actually makes me less likely to buy a product simply because I find ads annoying, and whenever I see the product it makes me think of the ad and my monkey brain just feels intense disgust
Exactly. If a company forces me to watch ads or come knocking on my door trying to solicit my business, I won't give them my money just out of principle at that point. I don't care if it's the best deal ever. If I'm in the market to buy something...say a new internet provider, then I'll do my research and choose the best option for me, not what some guy tries to tell at some folding table at the grocery store that asks trap questions like, "Don't you like to save money?" No, fuck off asshole.
I actively go out of my way to NOT buy any item or service that was advertised to me in a way that inconvenienced me in the slightest. Adblock is actually helping companies who advertise in my case :)
This. I am really reluctant using something that I've seen ads for, even if people recommend it to me. I don't like (most) ads. If someone makes an ad to show it to me, I don't like them and I don't want any of their garbage anymore.
A fairly common practice in the Balkans is that in tourist areas packed full of bars and restaurants, they will have someone inviting people to take a seat at one of their tables. Walking in those areas feels a heck of a lot like going on a site where I have to deal with an ad after every other sentence.
@@AresFordwin Unfortunately this practice is pretty much universal in Touristy areas around the world. I remember once a few years back my family and I were in Monterey California on Fishermans wharf. We had intended to eat dinner at one of the many restaurants there, as we had done many times before, but i became so disgusted by the aggressive hawkers the restaurants were employing that I insisted we leave and go elsewhere. We ended up eating at a Benihana (a teppanyaki chain) not far from the wharf instead.
Linus is under the impression that you're paying to watch his vids, instead of them being free, with advertising being a by-product. Its the equivalent to paying into a shopping mall, instead of them being free to enter, but advertisements for different stores are placed around.
I feel absolutely no guilt over using an ad blocker for...I can't even remember how long now. The amount of marketing that is shoved down your throat every day is bad for you on a psychological and financial level. Limiting it as much as you can will net a very positive outcome for any individual. Using the internet without one is low-key torturous. I support artists and creators by buying their art or subbing on Patreon. Ad blockers are a response to the abundance of ads, not the problem themselves. I'm not wasting more of my life being advertised to if I can. Side note: Most of the time you are getting served an ad even if you have ad blocker. It's called sponsored content.
@@emmanueloverrated Honestly, I've grown tired enough from those 3 minute pieces of sponsored content that I've downloaded SponsorBlock, just makes the video skip right past all those incedibly annoying Raid: Shadow Legends ads you get shoved down your throat for 3 minutes non-stop, on every single TH-cam video out there basically. Life changer, honestly.
I accepted ads when it was one before a video, or two for a longer video. Then, they started to put three in front of a video, and put more ads in the middle of the video, and started playing the same ad over and over. Ad abuse is a real thing, and consumers have the right to protect themselves from it. This goes double for paid services, such as cable, or 'ad-free' radio (which the first time I heard an add on Sirius, I immediately cancelled my Sirius subscription). I feel zero sympathy for advertisers, because they go too far, too often, and break their own "implied contracts" to 'steal' your attention. Without Adblocker, TH-cam would not be watchable, and the creators would not get my support either through likes, comments, or merchandise sales. Considering that many smaller creators don't even get the ad revenue anymore, but ads still play over their content, the advertisers can go **** themselves.
yeah why would anybody want to support google, the only people i would want to give ad revenue to are small creators, and they don't even get the revenue plus i will stop using ad block when they get rid of multiple ads in a row before the video even starts, i will stop using ad block when we can see dislikes again, im not going to monetarily support something without a rating system
This is just a lame excuse. Google earns money by selling ad slots or subscriptions. If you are unhappy with the pricetag be it time in advertisement or in money for the subscription, you can choose not to use the service. Circumventing the ads is technically fraud. The financial damage is small, but still there.
@@fabianfeilcke7220 i will stop using ad block when they get rid of multiple ads in a row before the video even starts, i will stop using ad block when youtube stops demonetizing creators and stealing their ad revenue, i will stop using ad block when we can see dislikes again, im not going to monetarily support something without a rating system
@@markilleen4027 Then you are stealing. It is up to TH-cam how many ads they want to place and it is up to the advertisers which videos they want to advertise on. Kind of funny that you complain about creators not being paid while stealing from TH-cam. If you want to support your creator feel free to join Red or another subscription based video platform that gives money directly to their creators. Your reasoning is basically "This TV is too expensive, therefore I steal it"
@@fabianfeilcke7220 No, it is not, even in the widest definition, theft. There is a moral dimension to it but there is nothing illegal here. There is no actual contract to take ads on TH-cam and even if there were, good luck enforcing it.
The reason I stopped watching television was the ridiculous amount of advertisements, so I moved over to online viewing. I will never, ever turn my adblocker off.
That's also the main reason I don't want TV anymore. Not so great content anymore. Bloated of advertisement they can make a segment of its own after each show. Ugh.
Ads are ridiculous. I’ve noticed TH-cam can tell when you’re not engaging on the site/app. When I do dishes and I let those 10-15 seconds ads run, TH-cam knows that I’m away from my device and start ramping the timer of the ads, from a few seconds to literally 2-3 hour ads. HOURS LONG ADS? Who the fuck even has that much money to have their hour long ads run wild lol it’s absurd. I can’t even listen to the radio because it’s the same level of absurdity when it comes to ads. In an hour long run you end up spending over half the time listening to ads rather than music
@@Deminogg True. And the same is with billboards here. Those billboards are screaming from everywhere. It's almost as annoying as those ads on YT. When it comes to Linus himself..maybe it's me but I don't get it. I don't get how he can have some many followers and people be actually interested in his content. Apart from his annoying voice his content is pure crap. When it comes to his opinion on ads.. well, it's his opinion. Not a fact.
I gladly let iPhone users who don't have Vanced pay for youtube creators. It's like when you don't want to have children, with the time they take and the money they cost. There will always be enough people to make the species survive...😁
Can we argue TH-cam's new feature of "Most replayed" in the video loading bar is to some extent a way of skipping the creator's sponsor segment? As soon as a creator's sponsor segment comes up I go to skip the video ahead and TH-cam makes it convenient by showing where most people skipped to.
Just try to make the sponsor part watchable and you avoid that problem entirely, I watch for example comedy channels and the ad parts are hilarious, my channel is super small and so far I have made only 1 video with a sponsor segment, on the whatch time graph there's a lot of people watching and re-watching that segment, and on the other side, I've sent like more than 300 people to the referral link and made some money already, and the channel's super new, I don't even have 500 subs yet, the problem isn't on the action of advertise but on doing it wrong, or boring or just reading a company script, if they knew how to do it they wouldn't be paying you to do it, so big part is on the initial negotiation with them saying yeah no Jerry I won't read that 5000 words panflet as it won't help either of us, let me do it my way.... See true classic shirts ads with millions of unpaid views and shares etc, ads aren't bad, *bad ads are bad
When the platforms that serve ads can be held accountable for the malware that comes with those ads, I'll think about turning off Adblock. But as it is, I consider it to be the front line of my security apps.
This is exactly why in some lists, common advertising domains are part of a 'malicious feed' because these domains don't always do the best vetting, and thus their content should be considered possibly malicious.
I went into full adblocker usage when sites started having obnoxious auto-playing videos with sound, and it felt like over 50% of the page was ads. I know using adblockers screws over the sites by not giving them payment from advertisers, but they chose to have obnoxious ads. I was quite fine with sites having subtle ads that I mentally ignored. (Even though having ads slowed down my browsing experience on my low-performance internet connection back then)
Exactly. I don't mind to disable adblock for sites I like, problem is most of them don't have a minimal sense of respect with the reader, flooding the page with tons of ads everywhere (some of them even leading to scam or porn content), which makes the navigation almost impossible, not to mention the amount of CPU power/bandwidth needed to handle all of the ads.
Actually, using adblock doesn't screw over the site. This is how ads work. Company pays network to serve ad, network puts ad into system to be served, network pays a small fraction of what was paid to creator IF the ad gets watched. This works for live streaming sites like Twitch, this works for web pages with 30 ad blocks(which by the way, only pay if it's CLICKED, not if it's viewed), this works for video sharing sites like TH-cam. The network already got it's money. So a better way to support creators is to support them directly, either through merch(almost everyone likes clothes, unless you're a nudist) or through things like Patreon and direct donations.
My suggestion: Visit better sites. If I get a site that has 100 ads on a page, I will never go back. My theory is if they need that many ads, it must be because they won't expect to retain me with the content for more than a single page, so screw them.
Absolutely nailed it. Needless to say the ads usually are like 10x louder than regular content, and sometimes they would even go off in "inactive" tabs that have scripts to reload the ad stuff after a given amount of time. That and the vast and utter mass of malware hidden in them are the main reasons I use uBlock Origin. Another is just saving lots, and I mean LOTS of loading time and even data traffic on mobile. I don't pay my carrier a fortune per month for a gig or two just to have that drained by a truckload of ads I don't care about. As for TH-cam, some uploaders know how to exaggerate with what feels like a thousand pieces of midrolls. Not exactly my taste of tea. Too bad I can't set rules for individual channels that I would totally support by letting the ads play. Some of them that I watch a lot and I know they need the cash get a few bucks per Patreon though as a fair compensation (and actually that's a LOT more than the adsense revenue). I used to recommend using AdBlock basically everywhere for quite a while - in order to support some content creators indirectly, I don't do that anymore. If someone is nagging about the ads I tell them they could get YT Premium to get rid of that, but I won't mention a blocker anymore. I've considered doing that myself as well, but my income is extremely limited. I'd instantly do that if my situation would better though.
I started to be a pirate from age of 5, when I figure out I can mute sound on TV during ads. That was actually because ads on TV were much louder that actual shows.
I remember when our national TV station finally decided to drop the audio volume of the ads to match the rest of the broadcast content (in the mid 2010's) ... and were patting themselves on the back like they did something amazing!! 🙄😴
I control what my computer does. Adblock tools are tools to control how my computing resources are used. Me using a tool to choose NOT to download and piece of data and process it on my machine is ALWAYS a legal, legitimate thing, end of story.
A good analogy for this is that you post a poster beside the door to your free exhibit with the expectation that people will look at it, and I choose to not look at the poster.
but the act of using their server without payment is the theoretical illegal part, you can have adblock all you want, just stay off servers that dont want computers using that software. You are probably the same person that installs wall hacks and aimbot in games and thinks they dont deserve to be banned.
Agreed. Especially when many people have data caps for either their phone and or their home internet. Nobody wants to use THEIR OWN MONEY(data) to PAY FOR ADVERTISERS to show them something they don't want to see. It's asinine. We already are inundated day in and day out by advertising that we can't control. The hell if I'm not going to control what little I can in my own home on my own computer.
I think a really good analogy is a company giving away free merchandise with their logo on it for advertisement. When they give you the T-shirt you own it you can do what you want. If you want to burn the T-shirt you can. You want to remove the logo and still wear the shirt you can.
I got more hardcore about ad blocking when the ads became so obtrusive. Pop ups, pop overs, auto play video ads, large scrolling banners etc. On phones and mobile devices the ads on even mainstream sites have rendered them nearly unusable or slow to load on some connections. Before I have much sympathy content creators need to push back and remind these ad agencies they would have no market without them and knock it off with the obtrusive crap.
Not to forget all the malware popups or fake "virus in your computer" ads that would lead to a website that tries to either scam you or give you viruses, lol.
I was pretty indifferent to Ads about 7-10 years ago, and honestly back when I was a broke teen, I was actually happy to support my favorite creators at least in that way. Then TH-cam made their ads unbearable, they would advertise malware, gross mobile games, and sketchy apps with bets/casinos/investments/etc. The final nail in the coffin was when they started putting 15 second unskippable ads before videos that were 10-60 seconds long, that is just cruel, don't waste my time...
@@hikkamorii thats not even the worst part, the worst ones were before they had set amount of ads on video length sometimes you'd get like 4 + unskippable ads on a 4 minute video. Like no boo, im refreshing, and if it stays that way im leaving
exactly this, I don't mind watching a promo a content creator PUTS in their video as an ad, but when the site's I'm browsing shove 86 ads down my throat and only 23% of my screen is the content I ACTUALLY want to consume, then I'm blocking them. its straight up some dystopian future like in black mirror where you cant close your eyes during ads.
Don't forget that using adblock also increases your device's security. It has happened a few times by now that large ad networks have been hacked and were distributing malware along with the ads. The biggest reason for me to use adblock is that I don't want to be tracked. I don't mind watching a sponsored message in a video which helps the creator, but I just don't want to be tracked, which is pretty much what all ad networks do nowadays.
I became interested in adblock and script blockers after a couple cases of ad networks spreading malware. The sites and networks took NO responsibility for the massive damage they caused.
That is how I look at Adblocker. It is for security. And for those that are born after 2000, most likely did not experience the era that adware/malware was on every other official free/demo programs and sites would on the regular run popup and pop under banner ads, even full screen popup windows and a majority of these banners were purposefully intrusive and miss leading in order to interrupt your viewing and make you click them. It was a common practice for sites in general. And youtube is one of the few sites that I will turn it off occasionally for those that I subscribe to, but I do keep it on when I am just browsing.
To me it's not even clear if the content creators are hurt by adblocker, at all. Obviously, if your public likes and respects your work, and turn off adblock manually for your videos, you'll get higher revenue, sure. But if adblocks just didn't exist, and everyone was forced to watch every ad on every video, and every site, what do you suppose would happen with ad prices? Offer vs demand, all ads would get far more clicks, meaning those clicks would get cheaper, to me it's not obvious that content creators would earn more if everyone was watching more ads, while the ad prices were to decrease anyway.
The only time I have ever gotten a computer virus in 20 years, it came from an advertisement on a national news website (twice, a couple months apart). If the ads weren't so obnoxious and dangerous, fewer people would feel the need to block them.
I've been hearing about that being the case between hidden ads that auto-play, or ones that auto-redirect to either the Google Play Store or even doing malicious downloads. It's one of the biggest reasons I keep an adblock on my PC, but I pay for certain ad-free services such as TH-cam Premium (mainly for YT Music under legacy system.)
Back when they came to be, I didn't really mind the occasional ad to help support the creator. Now when something like a 30 second trailer that itself is an advertisement then has 2 minutes of advertisements in front of it, its way out of control. If they insist, then it should be *ONE* advertisement at the start, and _MAXIMUM_ one every 15 minutes, so its useable and people don't feel the need to block them all. At this point its virtually intolerable due to how greedy they are now.
The amount of trackers and performance degradation that I get from websites when I don't use an ad blocker is honestly scary. But in relation to TH-cam I get ads on 40 second videos which is a joke.
TH-cam TV covers 5 accounts, skips ads on TH-cam, play in background on TH-cam, and gives you TH-cam TV. It's $15 a month per account if you go family style. It's worth every penny at that price. Only downside is I can't not pay for CNN and TYT...
@@JasonCloseOK Ads are always loaded in the highest quality, even if I've set the videos to 144p. They allow basically any ad. Hell, I remember an uproar last year because people were getting borderline porno ads. People get demonitized and copyrighted for things that really have no business being copyrighted/demonetized, all the time. Also, I've looked at a few channels which get basically every video demonetized, and there were still ads. That is theft. They can offer me the best deal in the world and I still wouldn't pay out of principle.
The funny thing is everyone knows Linus is running adblockers just like the rest of us, but if he can convince more people to watch ads then that's more money in his pocket.
better yet, if he(linus) truly beleived his own bs, he would move his entire library off youtube but as you said it yourself as long as its profitable he will not regardless of his stance. this is especially bad for a tech channel that should know that adblocking is one of the many layers required for safe browsing.
Oh, and then gaslighting is rich in this one. He did not say "Illegal" but he said "Piracy" as if the definition of piracy isn't literally illegal activity, theft of goods and property.
Funny thing is... I NEVER bothered with adblockers in times past until 3 things happened. A significant increase in ads that would cover half the screen & scroll down with the page (& open pop ups if I tried to x them), ANY website with the ever frustrating re-directing pages to anything but what I was trying to open (& wouldn't let you back arrow), & youtube forcing video ads halfway through a 10 minute clip of someone talking, usually in the middle of a sentence. Seriously, I never had an issue with banner ads, but forcibly getting in the way of what I was trying to view was literally THE nail in the coffin that made me adopt an ad blocker. Like... guys, I'm totally happy for the ads to sit there on the sides or bottom of a page or video, just don't FUCKING INTERRUPT ME! /endrant
I used adblock for a lot of things but not on youtube until some years ago when youtube started forcing 7-10 minute ads on videos and to add insult to injury you had to pick your own poison by choosing which 8 minute ad you wanted to watch (and these ads did not have a "click here to skip ad" button) before youtube would let me watch the actual video which was often shorter than the damn ad. Now I just adblock everything, no compromise. It's also just not worth the risk with autoplay ads being the most dangerous.
that's really it. a small banner ad or two or even 3 is fine, but these fucks got greedy and want half of the page advertising. a case of a few bad apples you know.
@@YojiroX I never get hit with the "choose your ad" thing. but ever since TH-cam did their "red" shit, Ive noticed (on my phone my PC runs 3 blocks and 2 anti tracker/ cookie programs) that they will hit you with 2 back to back unskipable 15-30 second ads, and another 2 at the end of a vid, WITH at least 3 more ad breaks in the middle of a 10 minute video. and its Aggravating as all hell. I finally got to the point when I downloaded the firefox browser for my phone and the ad block programs with it JUST so I can listen to a pod cast or music play list while driving my class B truck around from job to job! I cant touch my phone wile the truck is in gear (cameras in cab watch everything I do) so I cant hit skip after 5-10 seconds. It will say skip in 5 seconds, But Ive timed it with a stop watch a few times. Its not accually 5 seconds. It sometimes take a full 10 to "Unlock" the skip option!
Ad blocking is a consequence of the way greedy advertising networks abused internet users in the past, and can't be taken back or forgotten. It's unfortunate that content creators are now paying the price, but ultimately they'll be forced to find new (or old) ways to monetise.
for content creator it really is catch 22 to get a business out of a channel it need to grow you can't grow your channel with things like nebula nor can you shift completely to nebula and or your own website after you become big your viewership will simply not grow and over time it'll die out so a good chunk of your content need to be in the free platform which i would hope people find it understandable that even though it's free no business would want to do it with negative profit. so people complain about their free content is in fact not free (but they won't actually spend money if given the choice)
Honestly don't even feel bad for YT. They block monetization on 70% of the content I enjoy anyway, so it's not like me blocking ads even matters anymore - Yet YT likes to still try to show ads on things YT won't pay creators on. Creators should be moving away from forced ads anyway. I liked it when they didn't have to, but it appears that the people in charge of ads have no interest in being remotely reasonable anyway. Adblock telling advertisers that you blocked it, makes impressions from people who don't use adblock more valuable, since it weeds out the people who will never engage with the ads anyway- I'm more likely to engage negatively anyway, with companies that advertise to me. I am guaranteed to not be one of the impressions that will lead to a purchase, so it's not like advertises have less purchases, by not having me.
The problem with advertisements is they're fundamentally incompatible with the free market. They're a form of enforced revenue. They're trying to force to watch the ad by any means necessary (we have adblock detection even today, and I'm not looking forward to the day when eye tracking becomes common and inevitable), and they're trying to force you to buy a product with the ad itself, which is what pays for the ad in the first place. All of this is an attempt to make products successful based on what businesses would like, instead of their customers. There is no option for this to be an acceptable form of revenue. Subscription models are infinitely better, because with those at least you're paying for the product only, and not a whole miscellaneous industry as well that only exists to waste your time, spy on you, and manipulate your purchases to hijack some of your influence over the market. That's why TH-cam Premium pays so much better, it cuts out all these middlemen.
I totally agree but unfortunately this perspective applied maybe in 2007? At this point content creators especially on TH-cam know exactly what they're doing and are just as much part of the problem. Linus business model is ads and promotion not content. Content is the side gig. Linus wouldn't want you to pay him for content because there are many others who could produce better content than him. Half his content is paid promotion.
I mean at this point their going to argue that going to the bathroom during a 30 seconds ad is also unethical as your not physically watching the advert.
TH-cam ads have become so aggressive and intrusive, making the mobile app virtually unusable. The only skippable ads are ads in TH-cam shorts, but how long before TH-cam prevents you from scrolling until the ad is finished? An adblock software is almost a necessity to using the internet anymore. I remember circa 2005, the worst you had to worry about were loud JS ads that blared over your speakers at max volume. How I wish that was all we had to deal with nowadays. Sailing the high seas has never and will never make me feel bad. These companies that make good products will get their income, from myself and others. Companies that make garbage will be prone to dealing with piracy because people aren't paying for bad products, but if the product can be used for free, why not?
I used to allow ads in the interest of fair play. But having constantly dealt with intrusive and disruptive ads as well as malicious software, I block all ads and have for years. My attitude now is this: it's not my problem, I don't care how you cover costs, and you can't stop me.
If you go to websites full of malicious software thinking that ad block will protect you then you are their ideal customer because every picture and script running on that website may contain some nasty stuff regardless of ads. Did you get any virus from watching TH-cam? Probably not, because if service providers were in the last couple of years not capable of reasonably well defending against that, you likely would not have an email address managed by these providers too, as they use similar tech to clean incoming emails of harmful additions. So, you likely just selectively punishing everybody for the mistakes of the few, while continuing to use all of their services. The real harm comes not from ads but from metadata collection, and ad blockers do nothing against that but it is the reason why big companies do not care about your ad blocking that much, in fact, you can find ad blocker ads even on TH-cam, despite ads will be the only thing they are left with once people start taking countermeasures against data collection of their privacy when sufficient harm is done worldwide (like Cambridge Analytica scandal where UK referendum/US election were influenced with targeted ads using illegally obtained metadata) for governments start to give a damn to the point of not caring about a bit of harm to profits of big data collectors...
same, being using adblocker since 2012, before 2012 i had to deal with viruses all the time, but as soon as i started using adblocker all my virus issues went away, go figure
Couldn't agree more! Opening your browser without an Ad blocker these days is like walking into a mall just to burn some time and have every shop owner surround you, some poking you and some jumping right in front of you, blocking your view, trying to force their merch on you.
The advertisers brought this upon themselves with their intrusive, abusive, hyper-aggressive, in-your-face ad strategies. I don't feel the least bit sorry for them or any site that insists on hosting them. For me, the use of an ad blocker has become non-negotiable.
It's to the point where I can't even use sites on mobile phones because every white surface is an ad that hasn't loaded yet. Good thing Firefox mobile comes with the ability to load AdBlock
@@Nerobyrne yea. I used to like Pinterest to look at art but now every 3rd or 4th image is a ad. These ads are distracting and take me out of what m looking at. Very annoying
@@Nerobyrne I got brave for android because that built-in adblock didn't know firefox had it as an option, though as weird as brave is, I think I prefer it. firefox's rotting corpse makes me sad.
The thing I don't understand is why, in a discussion mostly about blocking ads on youtube, everyone in the comments always brings up popups and cancerous ads that you see on other sites. TH-cam's ads are generally fine, if those issues were really your problem you'd whitelist youtube on your adblocker. If you don't it tells me that you really just care about being slightly inconvenienced and you're using those sites as an excuse.
@@dalmationblack for me it's a deal breaker if the content I'm watching is interrupted. The thing is, I don't even have a problem paying for TH-cam Premium. But lots of other sites are terrible so I still run adblockers. Plus, the one I'm using can actually block stuff that's not ads but still annoying, like Autoplay videos.
The crazy part is, in 2019 Linus put out a video on how to set up PiHole, a whole network adblocker. He said, "if you like this video and you do deploy this solution, please buy a shirt or a hoodie." He was okay with the merch argument then, and he literally taught people how to block ads... So I guess he's teaching piracy?
He is not teaching piracy because this is not piracy. He is just trying to be a smartass with his fan base but got put back in his place by the community.
@@wildecity_88 Linus is a pompous douche and people pay too much attention to what he says because of his success in the youtube/media/tech space. I don't think he needs to shut up, but I think people need to ignore him.
Linus' misconception about this whole thing is that watching the ads is the price of admission to view his content, and that _that_ is the social contract. It's not. In the attention economy the real social contract is that if enough people care about your content then you rise to the top of the algorithmic heap. And If you do that, then _maybe_ you get a shot at merch, affiliate deals, and sponsorships, etc. Maybe you even get big enough, financially secure enough, that you can start grandstanding in front of your viewers, and telling them they're wrong for wanting to skip the 3 pre-roll ads before a video that gives them 20 minutes of escapism after another day of drudgery. _That's_ why people were mad. Because they didn't like being condescended to by the man on the screen. Because Linus forgot the social contract.
"I love spending the day toiling away at work, only to return home and be force fed advertisements for products from multi billionaire companies I'll never buy." Yeah, that's some shit no one ever said.
I only recently started using adblock, for years I made a conscious effort to not install it but after TH-cam started introducing 2-3 unskippable video ads or creators putting 10 freaking ads on a 15 minute video or opening some website resulted in literally 2/3 of my screen being covered by banners and pop ups I said enough is enough. I perfectly understand the need for ads but I feel like nowadays they are abused to the point of being insufferable.
I like to unsubscribe when that happens, then put in a comment about why I've unsubscribed. The best part is when you're trying to, say, research something you think you might purchase, get an ad (or two) up front, then find out the review is just some guy posting marketing material (zero effort made).
@@camberwellcarrot420 Especially when you're trying to look up a tutorial or help with a problem and the creator pads the video for ad time when the solution only needed less than a minute.
Yeah... now I just turn it off and start the video, let the 5 second 10 second ads run. Or the banner pop up and then turn the blocker back on. I can't deal with the ads that scream in my ear, during a video... it's extremely obnoxious. Why would I ever pay attention to, or buy something that gave me heart failure...?
I'll consider turning off my adblocker when websites stop completely screwing over their efficiency and functionality not only with intrusive ads, but other """"features"""" that adblockers can block.
Yeah, here I am trying to read an article without an Adblock and the whole page jumps around the damn universe bc it’s trying to load all that garbage. Also majority of websites are so bloated they don’t even finish loading.
I love the "Block Element" button. You know what Twitter, I don't want to see your trends when all you put in there is more celebrity and sports garbage that I've told you time and time again I'm not interested in. Flash is gone now, but before it was, no websites I don't want to see your massive obnoxious slow Flash banner on your home screen.
As many said: in general, AdBlock is a simple measure of security. I'll also *strongly* recommend script blockers. I block *all* javascript by default and only if I allow some domains - they're in. Now, about YT ads: *1* They're terrible and intrusive; *2* They are unskippable; *3* Even if you "support the creator" they will often insert a promotion into their video anyways, dipping you twice. So "YT Red" / "Patreon" are irrelevant here; *4* Creators now expect revenues - fair, but comparison with piracy or even just tickets is totally wrong. You're right here: "who pays - advertisers vs creators"; *5* YT existed long before ad revenues. And it was great.
You're missing a key point, TH-cam ran at a loss for years. There came a point where it was so popular something had to be done to cover its costs, without that it would not exist right now.
@@Punched0 Problem for me is that YT let scammers run ads with freaking shit audio and visual. If they curated ads better and do a better job on the Ads algorithm then maybe. I have to get on YT premium train to get rid of these kind of ads.
@@Punched0 *1* Mid rolls + the start ads can easily sum to several minutes; *2* IT DOES NOT matter how long are unskippable ads, the very fact that they are is horrible; *3* You try on mobile device and see how many ads there are; *4* It DOES NOT matter you can skip sponsorship, the very fact you'll still be fed ads even if you're on YT Red/support with merch/Patreon is horrible I can go on. The "implied contract" has been broken long ago. And it did not start with the AdBlocker.
I find it kind of curious that Linus takes sponsorships from VPN services, who advertise as one of their main purposes is to bypass region blocks of streaming services like Netflix. Would watching a Netflix show not available in your country not be piracy?
Well, what Linus said, and clarify extensively in their WAN show, is that if you want to block ads... go ahead. Just be aware of what impact it will bring. That's on you. Whatever the reason you block ads. Also, in the WAN show he corrected himself that yes indeed "piracy" is a wrong term he is using.
Linus has a video explaining how his adds are setup. He's removed from that process films them and they get dropped in usually un-related to opinion & the content they are making.
Digital piracy is to make an unauthorized copy of something. Ad-blocking is refusing to view/filtering out specific content (i.e. advertisements). These two definitions do not overlap in meaning, they are not the same.
That makes sense.... except that your definition is nonsensical. Streaming a video illegally is piracy, piracy has nothing to do with straight up downloading a video or "making a copy". Even by this definition streaming would still be considered illegal because streaming is your computer litteraly making a shot term copy of a video on your computer. If a website states that viewing ads are the payment necessary to view their content, refusing that payment while still receiving the content is literal piracy.
@justalonelypoteto it depends on how the company decides to put their content on the market. TH-cam relies on a sort of content as a service platform where they obviously do not want people downloading their videos, ESPECIALLY music. This is why there is no real download button, and you have to go through alternative sketchy methods in order to do so. A company has a right to put whatever limitations on their services they want, if they say you need to watch ads to access their content, that is the rule you must follow. Doing otherwise is literally piracy. You state "download it for backup purposes" but a company does not need to give you the right to download the content. I don't believe any content platform such as Netflix or HBO or Disney+ allow true downloads. This is common with software such as CAD where you download gigabytes worth of software, but as soon as your subscription ends it's all worthless. You pay to have access to the software, you watch ads to have access to the content, its not that complicated.
@00Kode00 Yes and no depeneding on your intentions. If you're intentions are to leave the room BECAUSE of the ads, thats piracy, That's obvious. Imagine a world where everyone just got up and left as soon as advertisements played. This means that click through rates would heavily tank. Advertisers will only pay if their ads get clicked on but if everyone turns off the computer as soon as an ad plays advertisers would never pay for ads and your favorite content creators won't get a single ad deal ever again. If this becomes rampant enough, youtube wouldn't exist as a platform as youtube is only funded by ads. To make an analogy, let's say you and I make a deal where I send you a product and I'll send you a check to fill out to pay for the product as soon as it arrives at your door step. You get the product, you see the check, but you throw the check in the trash. Did you just steal from me?
@@Jankyito the difference is 1) watching an ad is not a financial transaction, unlike a check or bank transfer 2) you don't sign a legally binding contract whereby you must glue your eyes to the screen whenever an ad plays. The advertiser is paying for an ad to be served, not for it to be guaranteed to be watched by someone, just like they can't force you to not doze off during the ad, obviously the hope is that some people will watch the ad but that's a gamble, and one the advertiser has to take
@justalonelypoteto 1) financial transactions have nothing to do with this, it was just an example. Transactions can still occur without actual money so your point here doesn't make sense. 2) Actually, you do. It's called TOS. Any company has the right to deny you any service when you don't follow their rules. It's the contract you sign by using their service. Also you're just wrong. Companies buy ad space in order to advertise their products. If people are leaving the room while ads play, advertisers will simply stop buying ads and youtube will cease to exist. Do you think advertisers will buy ads if everyone has ad block? If everyone leaves the room? Obviously not. You could argue not everyone is going to be doing this, but you have to contend with the fact that in your world everyone could do it and nothing old be wrong with that. Your world basically leads to internet where everything is subscription based because it is impossible to.make money through ads anymore.
I've installed various tools because I started hearing "THIS VIDEO IS SPONSORED BY BLABLABLABLA" in my nightmares. And no, Linus, that can't even be disabled by buying a premium. There's too many ads and this just keeps me sane.
i have tinnitus and hearing damage, most youtube ads intentionally have extreme sound whether it be real loud harsh, or both. also the disgusting clickbait human waste ads that include earwax other fluids etc, are disgusting . i do not want to see it, i did not consent to see it. these adds physically hurt my ears and make me want to vomit. i should be suing THEM for this. jump scare adds are traumatic as well. they very intentionally try to get inside your brain.
Indeed. Suffering from nerve deafness, I frequently have to turn up the volume to hear voices, especially if there is background noise in my house. Between music that people can't seem to figure out how to equalize and ads that are turned up to 11, I refuse to take the risk. This is also the reason I haven't watched network TV in years. Well, one of the reasons, but a good one nonetheless.
Wow YT ads sound worse than I remember, I've been blocking since roughly day 1 of the og AdBlock before it got sold out and moved onto alternatives that weren't corporate shilled - They're not even ads at this point, it's just random channels pushing the shittiest edits out or straight up 10 minutes of raw gaming footage of GTA V - it makes no sense
@@Sigurther Explosions are loud and voices are quiet I’m guessing. I have a theory on that, it seems to have only started a few years ago. If you don’t have surround sound turn off 5.1 sound. I bought a Sonos Beam sound bar specifically for its voice enhancement. Pretty good.
When advertising became a vector for malware, adblockers became a necessity to use. Until the advertisers clean house on their ad networks, the adblockers will remain in place. If anything I should be charging for the amount of bandwidth the advertisers eat into and for the damages that they incur with the malware that they let run unchecked on their networks.
@@nathanjora7627 Given the choice between testing them all under lab conditions or blocking them from MY computer, I choose the second. Trust is for the naive.
What Linus misunderstands is that ads are not simply transactional. Ads actively attempt to influence our thinking and and decisions. Ads waste our time. Ads distract us. Ads track us and sell our data. Ads introduce security risks. The list goes on. It is unreasonable to expect other people to endure all that. It's a poor model all around.
why cant we bring them up on stalking charges? they pursue us stealthily. harass or persecute us with unwanted and obsessive attention. these tech companies are creeps.
Films are weird. On the one hand they have traditionally occupied a different market, one that is indeed transactional, and that would indeed be piracy if torrented. However, one could easily *justify* this piracy by their inclusion of these ads. You already paid for the movie with your money, you shouldn't have to pay again with your time. All this assumes however, that the movie market still exists as it did decades ago. It does not. In this era of high speed internet and streaming services, movies are just as immaterial as any other content that can be found on the internet. Whether you go to the theater, purchase a disc, or stream it, you end up paying for the *form* in which you watch the movie, not the movie itself. The internet has made the movie immaterial and of unlimited supply, as it always does. An argument could be made then, that Torrenting movies is not piracy because what is actually for sale is a particular watching experience, one that you merely chose not to have. Personally I would take it further still. When someone torrents a film they have already chosen not to purchase it. With the myriad options for convenient entertainment these days, I posit it would be unlikely that said person would change their mind if torrents weren't available. By allowing them to view it for free, they may be interested in secondary merchandise, sequels, or other films from that producer. Even if the chance of them buying in the future is low, it keeps them in the market. It also allows them to engage with the film by word of mouth and social media, actively increasing the film producers market size and relevance. As far as I can see, the free sharing of movies online is only good for producers in this current environment. I don't think I could label it as "Piracy".
The number one reason why I installed an ad blocker on my computer was because of the midroll ads. Period. I don't mind the ads before or after the video, or sponsored segments in a video, but the midroll ads piss me off to no end. They almost without fail cut off a video mid-sentence, and even sometimes mid-word. Secondly, TH-cam demonetizes videos of many content creators I watch on a regular basis. I don't want to see ads on my video if the video I'm watching doesn't get the money, and TH-cam takes it anyway.
For me the reason I installed ad block was when I used youtube to listen to music playlists while working and I kept getting one or several adds between each song. Whenever I start using a new device I start without addblock but after a few hours or days I always end up installing it due to how annoying they are.
The reason why I use a 2 stage adblock mechanism is to have a safer, faster and more efficient browsing experience. Ad servers are like all you can eat buffets for malware distribution. Don't tell me those servers are all malware free. I highly doubt it. It's feast for malicious people and organizations...
The adpocalypse was actually the reason why I started blocking ads. Before that, I just suffered through the ads even though they were becoming more and more obnoxious as time went on, but I believed that I was supporting my favorite creators that way. After TH-cam practically weaponized ad revenue I installed AdBlock and never looked back.
@3:07 Louis you are selling yourself short. Your content is NOT garbage. Viewers want _authentic_ people -- people who aren't afraid to speak their mind and call a spade a spade. You represent the honest struggles of a working man. THAT is why you are popular. As long you never betray people's trust - by selling out -- your content (and rants) will be successful because they are _interesting_ and _honest._
That's exactly why he is surprised i guess - honest unpolished non-idealized person *usually* tend to be less popular and make less money in public attraction work. That's just how lessons of history tells us. On the other side *this days* people can stream their thought in interned without hard censor of wealth holders (to some extent). And same time - people that want to watch other people with same thoughts and opinion, now are not locked on filtered content that magazines and tv used to lock us back in a days. Thus ppl like we are that like honest ppl like Rossman can watch his content and enjoy it. And I"m clearly happy about (and i can watch it uninterrupted by ads thx to adblock and vanced yes)
The reason your videos are popular is because you speak to the troubles of everyone including the working man and you're not a sellout, and everyone is just sick and tired of all these mega corporations crap, they're tired of government and corporate censorship and overreach and everyone who works an honest living in a blue collar job that I've talked to in the last few years 100% believes that there will be a armed violent uprising in the US in the next year or two over this stuff if it doesn't change quickly
Products and services are becoming more expensive with less quality, big corporations are trying to squeeze more money out of us well also keeping wages the same, the government is trying to pass more and more laws and regulations and rules that hurt the non-billionaire type people, All well pushing the world closer and closer to the brink of nuclear Armageddon
When Louis talked about how a single person watching an ad is work 1/10th of a penny I couldn't help but think about how that means wasting a minute of someone's life is worth next to nothing. At scale that's 16.6 hours of people's lives for a 1 minute commercial seen by 1,000 people and this waste of time pays next to nothing.
Ads affect peoples purchase habits. For most without them realizing it. So it's not for nothing, it's to improve sales for those products. And it works.
The piracy occurs when Google convinces the idiots buying the ADS that people watch and care. Anything that shows up on my phone as an AD goes on a big FU list.
Why do you hate ads. I don’t mean why do you hate watching ads, because that makes sense, no sane person would like to watch ads, i am referring to the idea of ads. A lot of ads are trash(monile game ads), but some just tell you about a product you might be interested.
@@polarmata7433 depends, let’s take the “99% of people can’t do this very easy thing” type of ad. They could hire a bunch of idiots and just 1 in 100 can do the level, they could say it’s not false advertising. It’s the same way the toothpaste commercials work. Now the question is do they actually hire a company to do the testing and come up with that number? Ofc not, no body cares, so yeah it is false advertising, but it could be real advertising but it still a shitty ad.
@@mateilicaret2904 The only ads that have ever convinced me to buy something are ads for food or drinks, i.e. something that's only a few dollars. And generally only ads advertising a deal, at that. Last time a commercial/ad convinced me for anything else was when I was a child, lol.
This is my favourite angry man in chair channel on youtube! The internet is unusable without adblock (and some kind of noscript plugin). Linus probably has either the resources or the influence to encourage someone who can make a stealthy adblock, or a plugin that plays all the ads on a different muted window. I think I'm not alone when I say if I see an unskippable ad/anti-adblock pop-up I rather close the tab and find something else to do. Even if I see the ad, there is absolutely zero chance that they will advertise something that I would actually buy or even click on the ad... Idk but this google spy system could not figure out my taste even after almost a decade of listening to every word I have said. (I mentioned strawberry jam once and I got jam ads for a week, I just asked my GF to pass me the jar...)
My issue with youtube (and Twitch) lately is that even though I'm paying for the ad-free service, my adblock is still picking up over 100 ad sources. Sure some of these might be false positives, but that still leaves a big chunk of my bandwidth being used on these opaque ads and tracking networks. Now I know I'm only paying "15 bucks to no see ad" but is it wrong to expect them to stop trying to double-dip taking my money and continuing to deliver my viewing habits to third parties? I sure hope they're not still flagging me as an adblock user and demonetizing my views because I don't think that would be fair at all.
We're talking about a company that is being sued for location history snooping when the individual has declined such tracking. A thief complaining about a "pirate" is pretty damn funny
The INSANE thing was that the RIAA acted like piracy was a HUGE loss of sales. Anyone I knew that downloaded music would NEVER have bought the CD for one song, we were in middle school and highschool, we had almost no money. To act like every download was a LOSS is ridiculous.
The EU did (and then tried to hide) a study on piracy and found it was a good sales motivator more than anything else. Gee, its almost like if someone can try out your product and make an informed decision, they’re more likely to buy it.
Riaa wasn't getting their cut. It's a mafia shake down. The artists were LUCKY if they made 10 cents on the dollar. A lot of em were screwed and made nothing (or worse). Artists only make real money at shows and from merchandise. It's your duty to pirate it.
@@havenbastion their logic probably was something like "ok so this album was downloaded 10,000 times, meaning that we lost 10,000 sales, and each sale is 15 bucks, so in total we lost 150k".
Well, on the one hand, ad blockers help you (re)find the content on a website, and on the other hand, they protect you from malware. Ad blockers were not developed because people don't want to begrudge the other side their advertising revenue, but as self-defense against everything the online advertising industry distributes and enables via its networks. Intrusive ads, trackers, distributing malware and ignoring privacy settings. As long as the irresponsible and criminal business behavior of the online advertising industry does not change fundamentally, one should not have any remorse to protect / defend oneself with the help of an ad blocker. - Quite the opposite! They started the war! Not us!
Ad blockers protect you from malware better than any of the bloated anti-malware software like Norton and McAfee, which i think ironically adblockers block ads for McAfee and Norton.
Don't forget that ads contribute to tracking your actions even without your direct input. Time viewed and cursor position alone are recorded without your input and without the majority of people's knowledge. There is also ZERO consent to perform this tracking on a moment-by-moment basis, even if the platform says use entails acceptance; the issue is that the platform is PUBLIC, so you get tracked even if you don't create an account and thereby agree to the terms of service. Ad blockers are also legitimate privacy tools, ones that help individuals retain the value of their tracking data for themselves. Not using a blocker is akin to giving away your personal data for free and without compensation... or in other words having your valuable usage data stolen from you. Ad blockers are neccesary for most users.
@@barnett25 I don't even think we're really hurting the creators. We're just not helping as much as someone who watches but doesn't block ads. It's not just watch with vs. without ads, there's also watch vs. not watch. That's also true with actual digital 'piracy' - not every pirated download would've ever been a purchase. And then there's the cpr, which if i understand correctly, is heavily influenced by engagement. So if you leave dis/likes, subs, comments, you help increase the cpr which leads to the views with ads being worth more. And i think that the public view counter on a video does include plays without ads, in which case you'd also contribute to momentum. The way i see it, having an adblocker is like a visible "no tolerance for ads" button on your jacket. Some sites do react to it by asking or even insisting to take it off. Others don't. TH-cam has never ever complained about my adblocker.
I remember the olden days of advertisements where a lot of obnoxiously bright, flashy, loud, and/or obtrusive. Those ads still exist and in large quantities. Many youtube ads are *that* bad
I can't afford any of the crap that they advertise so it ONLY exists to waste my time. There really needs to be an argument for people like me. There's no reason to show me ads and it's not like they don't have enough data of mine to know that so they're not tailoring their ads to save themselves money but that wastes my life so why should their money be worth more than my time on this Earth?
Adblock is a necessity at this point, the amount of ads that are forced onto users is disgusting and companies are always finding new ways of implementing more. Everything about it sickens me and I can't tolerate it anymore
always were! I will not use any web browser with adblockers, a someone on youtube winging about adblockers just sounds dumb! Oh no! you uploaded to a public website and...sigh. RLY linus! REEELY. Addblock and ublock is so nescosary because -leaches- adverts saturate everything, to much of everything IMO.
Yeah since there is many questionable harmful ads out there. Be it tricking you to click something or being outright harmful. It does come off as someone wagging their figure, to call you a bad person and put your device's safely at risk so they can make a few more cents. Since well if I get a spyware or something on my device. I am the one who has to remove it or replace any parts that get damaged. Long as anything bad that happens to my device comes out of my pocket. I am going to take all the basic steps needed to protect it. Which honestly after thinking about this some more. It seems like this shouldn't that big of a deal for these who have a large viewer base. Since they can always make money by selling stuff like t shirts or the like, that or get people to donate money to support them. That and well ads like mid roll ads can ruin the experience by stopping the middle during a big action fight, rather than when it fading to black during a break in the action.
And the content of ads. I can't watch a video because of "age restrictions" but youtube is quite happy to literally post adverts that are just thumbnails of tits. Thank fuck I found Vanced.
@@_Hal9000 That is what drove me to ad block and noscript. I kept getting those fake antivirus things that autoinstall from ads on legit sites (one time from the LA Times......) After the third one that also uninstalled malewarebytes by itself I went ad/script block and never went back.
Glad the whole implied contract thing was covered, because my absolute first thought was that this entire argument necessitates that someone should have to actually sit down and watch the ad in order to not be a pirate. If blocking the ad is piracy because Linus doesn't get paid his 1% of a single cent for the view, which is his argument, then not paying attention to ads when they're played is also piracy because you aren't paying the advertiser with your attention. You have stolen their time and effort by refusing to pay attention. The problem with this whole idea that it's piracy is that there never was an implied contract, and even the advertisers know this. They don't expect every instance of an ad showing to gain the attention of their target. In their finances, they're building in an expectation of some level of waste. This isn't true for just YT or TV ads, either. This is true for literally every ad everywhere, and that short article covers the fact that advertisers know this and it has always been their burden to gain your attention and not our burden to pay them with our attention.
Late to the talk, but that 1% of a cent likely already considers the lack of attention that ads get. Since buying ad slots NEEDS to be cheaper than the money it brings down the line (and ads being awfully effective at that), then every single ad needs to provide as little money as possible. I WOULD argue that the monetization from ads WOULD be larger (heh... 2% of a cent? wow doubled the numbers) if spectators paid more attention, because there are lower losses and companies would find a way to monetize more. But that is an argument I would only make if companies worked in the people's best interest and the market worked perfectly, which neither do.
I was not using an adblocker on youtube for a while until they introduced mid-roll ads. This was driving me nuts. The reason people use adblockers is because of invasive ads, not because of the ads themselves.
I have seen some slow moving videos that were ad inserted to the MAX (most likely by the creator) and every time I move around the video I get served an ad. After 3 of those I clicked off and watch something else.
@@kei2142 Actually my understanding is that a couple of years ago TH-cam sent an email to creators saying they were going to be adding midroll ads to run by default on all videos over a certain length and telling creators they could opt out of this change. Then they just did it to everyone even the people who opted out, some of whom were really annoyed about it and paid members of their staff to go back and remove all those extra ads. I believe the maximum number of ads that can be on a video are a 5 second unskippable ad followed by a longer skippable one at the beginning, a midroll ad every 90 seconds, then end ads similar to the ads at the start.
Calling ad blocker use piracy is like saying if you drive by a billboard without looking at it, you're stealing. Utterly absurd. I love Linus, but the fact that he feels entitled to our eyeballs and attention is deluded and insulting. Sorry Linus, if you want to be paid for your content, put it behind a paywall. You don't get to publish it to a public space, then complain that the public views it without paying you money. That is the cost of choosing to publicize it. You can't have it both ways.
You almost has the point with the VCR. Back in the early 1980's - the TV stations, the producers, the MPAA had a legal moan over the fact you could record and time-shift TV. Ended up at court at a Copyright claim. They actually claimed that the fast-forward feature broke the law by allowing you to skip adverts. The court didn't agree. This whole thing has been tried before - even before Linus existed. Adblockers could play the advert - silently - hidden away in a null screen - so the data is all buggered up.
I guess you also think its fair that Edward Snowden has to live out the rest of his live in exile than too ? , the law said so !, I guess its moral now, you're making a legal argument where there was none
@@munjee2 well if we wanna use this angle, Snowden insists that people should never browse the internet in any capacity without an AdBlock because the majority of ads silently deliver some form of malware or spyware these days. Ad space has become so polluted by bad actors that it is full stop a security risk to not use adblock; even Google has hosted such ads and had ad-based security breaches at a few points in the past decade.
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 I specifically used this example for this reason, I have problem with people use adblock, I have a problem with he argument of settling moral arguments with the law
Didn't we all try to be fair and not use ad blocking? What did we get? Pop up ads, unusable interfaces, bloated websites that have 8 pages to scroll and 2 of the pages is actual content and tons of bad practices by advertisers and content providers. The cat and mouse game goes on and on. Consumers pay for all of it. You pay for metered ISP connection, subscriptions to services, paywall after paywall, microtransactions everywhere, apps for basic website functionality that are literall spyware, operating systems that use our privacy to exploit our habits and whole bag of other things with right to repair our stuff included. What is next? Direct charge to bank accounts when you load a page?
Don't forget malware / virus injection via the ad networks that can damage / steal your data, set up another malware service node, and /or damage your operating system/network. If the sites and Linus are willing to imdemnify us for damages, then people might reconsider their stance to protect themselves.
Let's go even further. We didn't use ad blockers on TH-cam, fine, let them 2 loud AF ADs play during the video. But then greedy content creators went and did in-video ADs that they can plug during their video. Do you think they are ads for good products that their audiences would love? Heck no. It's overpriced and crap manscapping items, shitty mobile games and VPNs that are borderline spyware. So yeah F-em, AdBlock all the day. Some content creators even do 2 in-video ADs. Talk about being greedy... ps: And then you have good channels that just advertise their merch and any company promo they have are for products they actually use. For example car channels, like Goonzquad, they only take sposorhips for tools that they use repairing the cars so you actually see them being used!
the thing is that YT is free to access... the video arent restricted to access. its my own computer that i can legally choose what i download on it. since YT is putting the ad separately from the video i can choose myself not to download the ad. people never signed a contract saying they must watch each ads before watching a video on youtube.
Two things: First, I lived through the "golden age" of advertising on the internet, the Futurama AOL scene is real, very real I also have made a good living removing ad related malware from computers, so I can tell you all about the dark side I've removed them all, XP Antivirus, TDSS by hand, Soluto, you name it, I've seen it. second, the last time I turned off my adblocker, the ads were longer than the video I wanted to watch so, my response to Linus is No, NO, #$% NO, and other words to that effect
Ads today aren't just invasive with tracking, they're downright obnoxious. I've never, not once, in 20 years, bought something from an ad on a site. I've long detached whatever mechanism ads are supposed to trigger. If I want something, I go looking for it. By the time google even catches a hint that I want it, it's already inbound. Besides, with all the nonsense pushed in advertising today, they'd likely just make me mad.
Pretty much. Ad-blocker stays on. If I want to support some YT creator, I check if they have any other means of support like Patreon or Floatplane or Nebula or whatever. Merch if in EU, not paying 25% VAT they put of every little thing. I didn't like Flash ads, I really do not see a reason I'd (or anyone) willingly accept this shitfest that are ads these days. Ask nicely and have image-only ads (banner ads) and I might whitelist, especially if there is no paid option.
@@airbornefilip9139 Not to mention the scumbags that hide malware in ads, or ads that link you to some really shady parts of the Internet. Way back in the day before I knew any better I ran into ads that literally put my PC in blue screen of death mode. It's just too risky these days to not have an adblocker of some kind. Screw that, ublock origin and noscript stay on permanently for me.
My adblocker was accidentally turned off while I was migrating all my browser data to a new computer and I was overwhelmed by feelings like I had malware on my computer. "This shit is NORMAL?", I thought to myself. That 25 percent of users using adblock would be 99.99 percent of people using adblock if most people knew the better experience they would have. There are always those people that think adblocker is bad, and I say that they can go suck on Google's balls for their daily sustenance, I wouldn't be using their site or positively engaging the community in any way if I couldn't block their borderline-malware ads. Merch and patreon make way more than adsense for literally everyone who doesn't have an exclusive deal with Google (which is almost everyone on youtube), I can see why Linus is so upset that he's being denied a percentage of whatever contract he signed with Google and the big advertisers that sponsor his videos.
Aww... Remember the good old Sasser and Blaster worms? Those were always fun to help customers fix through simply talking through the phone (before the age of easy remote-desktopping)... Talking customers through booting W98/Vista in msdos or safe mode, reading registry values, spelling out PIDs and alphanumeric process and service names through the phone... Aww, good old times.
When you get served 3 sets of ads in a 10 minute video, I can understand why people use ad blockers. Especially when some of their cookies contain malware.
Exactly, now a days having an ad blocker is the first line of defense against maliciousness out there. When you have ads that open 2 more ads after you close the first ad, or have gigantic invisible i-frames so no matter where you click on the screen you get redirected to some shady website there's no chance people won't use adblocker to combat it, or hide a process in the backround that uses your system to mine crypto. Ad block is nearly as important as antivirus.
Linus is just mad because his videos are unwatchable without a sponsor blocking ad blocker. I mean half of any given video of his is a sponsor spot. I couldn't imagine not using a regular adblocker
My opinion is the same with both piracy and using adblockers: go right ahead. As mentioned in the video, distributing other peoples' content is a different matter, but if somebody is offering you something they have for free, you're under no moral obligation to refuse just because someone else would rather charge you money for it. And just because a creator really wants you to give an advertiser your time to thank them for the content they're giving away for free, that doesn't mean you have to oblige.
Jesus, you surely werent online in early days of popular internet where most of quality content was nightmare due to audio, popup, flashing etc ads. Things actually calmed down a lot before it got worse again. Tracking on the other hand is new and the real problem of the internet.
TH-cam is absolutely unwatchable without ad-blocking. I despise the rank crass commercialism of it all, loathe being hustled. My conscience is clear on this matter.
I am one of those people that consider ads a war against my brain. I think you have the moral right to do what you want with those ads. But in the case of youtube you have the option of paying for yt premium.
@@LinusBerglund With YT Premium you pay to unlock features and only *one* of them is watching ad-free videos. Another feature is using YT in PiP mode, for which, just like AdBlock, there already is a free browser extension and it is made by *Google* themselves, so... Even Google is sending us mixed signals regarding their own services! 🤣🤦♂️
I don't think he's necessarily wrong. The way you pay for your TH-cam content is to watch ads. Getting around that payment is hopping on your pirate ship. I think Linus's perspective is misrepresented a bit. Linus has said many times he's personally pirated many things. When you consider that his view on piracy is that it's not a user issue but a distribution issue, this take isn't really what people are representing it as.
@@69nitesYou are fundamentally wrong on your argument because you do NOT have to pay to use TH-cam. It isn't a paid service. It's not Netflix or something equivalent. It is like TV. You don't have to pay to watch TV (cable would equate to Netflix) and you're not a pirate when you switch channels on your TV during commercials.
@@_Fernando.single digit IQ argument. TH-cam with ads is not a paid service. TH-cam with ads is a paid service. This service is called TH-cam premium. If you're blocking ads you're pirating TH-cam premium.
If I choose to run an adblocker, advertisers should be grateful. Now *I've* done them the favor of eliminating the chance that their terrible ads will ruin my perception of their product. I can't tell you how much more likely it is for me to see an ad and think "Damn, never going to buy that" as compared to seeing an ad and actually wanting the product.
@@Observer29830 Yea, in my local area there are 2 different companies providing doordash like service. One of them blasted ads that I saw on youtube mobile. Guess which i use now. The one which ads i have not seen yet.
@@Observer29830 especially anything related to security or privacy, lastpass, express vpn, all of those things are completely in my no buy section, if you have that many people promoting it I'm sorry but I can't trust you, I have never and almost certainly will ever see a advertisement for TOR and things like that which adds to my trust
I was a long time hold-out on adblockers. The internet got so infested with ads, that I found myself constantly complaining that I had to sift through pages to find the info I was looking for... So I finally caved in. What once was acceptable, and sometimes even fun, became an abuse... Especially when ads interrupt what someone is saying.
Same here. I was fine with pre-roll ads, even the odd pop up in the middle I could close wasnt too bad, but when they started putting unskippable ads every couple of minutes it made some videos unbearable to watch so I caved. I had Premium for a while, but its grossly overpriced compared to how much money they make from ads. If they halved the price I'd happily turn off adblock again, but no way its worth paying as much as Netflix just to remove ads. Worth noting, I only use Adblock TH-cam, I do not block ads elsewhere except on a few select sites that had a habit of hosting malicious ads. Although sites that force auto-play videos are teetering on the edge and anyone who has an ISP with a monthly cap I totally understand why they would. If advertisers (and sites that plaster multiple ads all over the page) had an ounce of respect for the end user, we wouldn't be at this point.
Indeed. If a legit website can be clean with good behavior ads that doesn't interrupt me, go ahead. Yet when they started getting aggressive and intrusive, I'm sorry I'm not taking any of it.
Ads are a plague to the internet, and that's why adblock and piracy are a thing. Not because people are out to get creators, but because big corporations are out to get the average person, and probably infect their computer with viruses if they don't have an ad blocker. If creators want money, they can ask for donations from people who genuinely care. They're just greedy like LTT.
When you publish something on the internet and allow people to access it without requiring them to pay up front then it's not piracy. It would be like saying a person is committing piracy for watching a street performers act and then walking away without giving a donation.
This, if you publish on a public website, without the direct paywall up front, it is free to watch. So content published 15 years ago when youtube didnt support ads or income based content is piracy? Nah its not. Downloading a TH-cam video, uploading it as your own, now thats piracy.
@@VKdViKingDark Also the fact that the internet as a whole is a free space within legal law limits, like any public space is. Internet users can freely use adblockers and cookie blockers, just like how companies can impose ads and tracking cookies (of which many actually are illegal by law, but that's another topic lol). Them making a domain freely accessible on the internet with no imposed restrictions to people's rights of adblockers, is like a festival turning up on a public square and expecting people to first look at all their ad banners before listening to the music being played right in public. Just doesn't work like that. If they want to demand people's undevoted attention to ads, then they must make it so you can't enter their public domain without legally consenting.
The requirement is the ads. You being able to block them doesn't make it ok. A person leaving their door open doesn't mean you can all of a sudden steal freely.
When ads are, in broad terms, hacking my computer (they're essentially spyware, accessing and transmitting my private data without authorization; and in fact, violating the terms for accessing my computer specified by the Do Not Track header the browser sends), I feel totally justified in protecting myself against them.
that and being highly inappropriate for any public situation, viewer under 18, or work environment on sites that should not have any connection to such adds as they are places you could reasonably go for many reason, like the news, or wiki's... i mean imagine a 5th grader doing research for some project for school. heck just to be sure i am being reasonable i turned it off, im currently on rather public wifi, and did a few searches for something i researched when i was in 5th grade for a cardboard box presentation, and while its better then i recall (seemingly due to an Olympic scandal/ all the other events and stuff, and maybe covid) i still saw two things i would feel fit the inappropriate category... within three searches... thats wrong.
You argument falls apart and is inconsistent when you decide to block ALL ads vs specific websites and/or just bad ads. For example: TH-cam in terms of data/tracking is already agreed upon by making an account and accepting the terms before watching yet I bet you still run adblock and endorse running it on TH-cam.
@@nobodyshomeuk Things like that fake disabling of the location tracking on Android phones situation shows you can't trust Google to be honest; taking precautions is justified.
@@tiagotiagot not sure what location tracking on Android has to do with blocking ads on a website and adblock does nothing to protect your location from Google so it's useless point to make here. Atleast try to engage with a single point I made 🤷♂️
Ad blocking today is a *necessity,* given how ad infested the entire internet is. I'll never find video ads that interrupt the content, or putting ads into my phone "acceptable", and I won't be bullied by ads into paying for premium, just to get treated like a normal person.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but explain to me - how should TH-cam make money without ads to finance their servers? Sponsors? Or paid subscriptions? How much would you pay for access to TH-cam? Would you prefer to pay per video, per watch time, or a flat-fee per month?
@@KYSMO They already kinda did with their monthly subscription to remove ads. Also "content creators" have the ability to choose the form of ads to display, the fact that they choose non skippable videos or full screen video ads because they make them more cents is greedy in its own way.
@@KYSMO you mean Alphabet, trillion dollar company, owned TH-cam? Gee, I'll cry for them at night...poor ol' trillionares they really need me to disable AdBlock 😅😂
I got into adblocking a long long time ago for completely legitimate reasons. I don't mind commercials, I grew up in an era where the TV shows stopped every 10 minutes to run them, hell I get nostalgic for the old commercials I watched as a kid. The problem is that the Internet opened up a whole new laboratory for advertisers to experiment with all kinds of sketchy behavior. At one time if you weren't running an adblocker, you with 100% certainty, had a computer infected with multiple types of malware. That was the final straw. Even if they aren't doing it anymore (they definitely still are), that trust is completely gone and they will never get it back. I feel for the creators, but I'm never going to risk turning the thing off again.
yeah, there's some parts of the internet were you have to be a masoquist to go without an adblock, it feels like the ads absorbs the soul of your computer in exchange for the access to the content hosted there
Perhaps that was more true in the past but today, I think youre highly unlikely to get malware with a properly patched and updated computer while practicing best safety procedures (usually boils down to don't be dumb).
This... This right here... Spyware in the form of cookies and harvesting your online data is why I run ad blockers and try to limit all forms of tracking and data gathering of my online browsing activities.
@@looksinfectious9642 then they can upload it to a platform that has a more profitable monetization model- not join a free access platform and complain that people will use it for free.
Sick! So for every TH-camr I watch, If i just buy 1 or 2 merch pieces or support them through their preferred means when I start earning, I could just outweigh everytime I ever watched their videos with an adblock and ever will. I'll keep his in my mind.
I still remember the time where ads where just ads "small banners non-intrusive" where you didn't need to use adblockers to go to a website or see some youtube video without breaks. If you think that adblocker is some kind of piracy, I'm sorry but your mind is a bit numb.. somewhere along the way we let this shift happened and now is the norm.. but no, it is not the norm and this predatory behavior is just getting worse.
Right? Nowadays it seems like the screen has to bounce around as all the ads load, then reload as new ones take over, making reading pages impossible at times. Or where the ads will follow the screen making it so the text is unreadable
from my internet experience since ~2002, those god damn pop-up ads that where showing up on every god damned site gave birth to adblockers and after that, people realized that having an un-intrusive ad in a corner of the screen is 10x better that some shit that pops up every two seconds. I guess we have came a full circle.
Been pirating since High school...over 20 years...If its worth it, I pay for it. Run adblocker, vpn, and other software so nosy mfs can mind there business.
Adblockers are just what I have to use to keep my internet experience sane and tolerable. You can call it piracy, but that's just making it sound cooler than it actually is. The day I cannot remove or skip TH-cam ads, is the day I stop using TH-cam.
@@deivytrajan Not that simple. Sure, it rids videos of TH-cam's own ads, but hypocrites like LTT embed their own ads into their videos, so even though they're getting money from me via Premium, they ALSO get a second dip from their privately contracted ad partners. ALL embeded ad containing videos should have to include timecodes so youtube can skip them for Premium subscribers.
@@deivytrajan We are under no obligation to watch ads, I don't see any reason as to why I have to purchase TH-cam premium. Also, it makes me wonder if they are making the ads more intrusive on purpose to incentivise more TH-cam premiums. Fuck that
To the point of the VCR.
If you're paying for cable television, a transaction has already occurred. So you've already paid for the broadcast.
Still unsure as to where I stand on this topic.
Is that true? I think it's more like you paid for the internet. Paying for the internet allows you the ability to access the content, it doesn't mean you have paid for the content.
@@rossmanngroup I think subscribing to cable tv is more like subscribing to TH-cam Premium rather than paying for internet access. I always thought is just double dip having ads inside a cable tv subscription, when you compare to Netflix and services alike.
What about PBS, Fox, ABC, CBS, Broadcast antenna TV. You're not paying for a cable subscription to access that content and still get adds served to you. If you us your VCR to skip those adds is that really any different from this topic?
In recent times the agreement that you make when subscribing is a *license* agreement. You are not paying for the content of the broadcast but the right to view it *under the terms of the license* (which most of them say you are not allowed to make a copy).
One of the few reasons that copies continue to be allowed is that we have people fighting in courts to invalidate “unreasonable” clauses from those licenses. For example: multiple companies have tried to restrict your viewing of specific broadcasts to a single time *and* a single device, wanting to force you to pay again if you view it on a second device. What happens if someone’s first device breaks, or they have a screen reader for accessibility? Some companies are quite happy to be rigid and demand payment again, but thankfully people push back to make those usages legal no matter what the license agreement says.
Yes, but you don't own the content of the broadcast, it has its own terms and services and copyright
The thing is that most of the internet, TH-cam or not, without an adblock is either borderline-unusable or just straight-up terrible.
You are so right.
That's because of the rampant use of AdBlock. They now have to serve more and more ads to the users who don't block to compensate. It's a vicious cycle.
It's why's more and more sites are paywall backed.
@@actually_it_is_rocket_science it was terrible well before adblock, m8. Most people don't use adblock, it doesn't have that much of an effect.
Agreed. Without adblock or equivalent, more than half of modern pages on the net make me feel like gouging my eyes out. If I want to read articles without ad-blocking, I have to cover ads with other windows or re-scale the page so ads land off-screen.
i commited so much piracy as a kid by changing the channel on the tv during comercials
I'm ashamed to admit it, but I once went to the toilet during an ad break!
@@reddwarfer999tHatS StRAiGhT uP PirAcY, LitERaLLy ThE eXaCt SaMe tHinG;!!😢😢😢
I mean yt adds a skippable and no one forces you to watch that exact video yk your argument lacks comparison tbh.
if ads were really skipabble i would have never used adblockers@@Rjean-paul, youtube made the situation unsustainable themselves, and them i saw how the rest of the internet is better with adblocks, if only we could block outdoors in real life too
Please hand yourself in to the nearest police station
We need to look back to see, why adblock was made in first place. Like 15 years ago (or earlier), ads was getting more and more annoying on websites. Big ads made in flash player with autoplay video, popup ads covering article that you was reading, ads with X button that was "running away" from mouse.
Popup ads was so annoying that web browsers implemented native popup blockers that are present to this day (nobody calls build-in popup blocker illegal/piracy)
So technically adblockers are result of mistakes made in past. Who knows if adblockers would be as popular now as there are, if ads back then wasn't made annoying and intrusive.
AMEN!!! 👏👏👏
Damn, good point on the BUILT IN popup blockers. I'd love to see linus respond to that.
Lol those ads with the moving X are the best!
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Ads are still annoying, especially when you can only see a third of the website on mobile
I haven't seen an ad on TH-cam since 2007. I was watching TH-cam at my friend's house on his TV and the ads were insufferable. Truly abhorrent.
Lol for real, i've tried to suffer through watching on TV with my brothers/parents, and sit through 2 15-30s unskippable ads multiple times in a videos
YES. I can hardly stand watching someone else's TH-cam these days. Someone said elsewhere in the content "the seller sets the price." Well, guess what? I set the value of my time.
Help a brother out, what do you use?
@@mikefamm5712 UBlock Origin. Works wonders, and can be used on any browser-- plus it's open-source.
@@mikefamm5712 right now on my phone TH-cam revanced
Fundamentally, people don’t understand, that advertisers WOULD strap you down _Clockwork Orange_ style and force you to watch the ads with the content if they could.
they will make you pay to watch ads if they could
@@JoRoBoYo prime video literally does that, additionally i got really pissed yesterday because 2/3 of the shows aren't even included in the subscription, so i am paying to see advertisements of shows on onther subscriptions (MGM,Starzs,Looke) everytime im searching for something to watch, and it is not even a side ad, it is mixed with the content that i have access to
@@devforfun5618 lmao, they already do that? time to sail the ship matey.
Don't they doing that with some program? They have a small ad at the bottom.
There were rumours about a tech that watches your eyes, and if you don't pay attention to the add you can't proceed.
If this becomes an actual thing, it will be time to riot.
If Adblock is piracy then advertisements are harrassment.
I mean, the latter IS true.
And theft. Not everyone's on an unlimited plan.
@@rayden54Ads are theft of electricity.
And stalking as well, they follow you everywhere
Targeted harrassment actually, you know the algorithm targets you with specific ads
OK but hear me out:
If ad blocking is piracy, that means piracy is good.
The real treasure is the ads we block along the way.
I understand what you try to say but what you write isn't logical.
If cows taste good, that means mammals taste good.
I'm not ready to eat dogs, cats, humans, ...
See?
@@addanametocontinue thx mmd
@@yourikhan4425 you do realise he was making a bit of a joke, why over-anal-yse it
YARRRR!!!! We sail at dawn!
It's the pirate life for us!
The next step for Google is watching the user by webcam to ensure that there are eyeballs watching screens when the ad is served.
And the next step for us is putting a cardboard cutout of a person staring at the screen while we walk away
I don't even have a webcam
and if youre not there then the ad just pauses and waits for you to come back, dystopian world
@@ShowierData9978 Next monitors will have one incorporated cos it's the future!!!1
Literally not even impossible. They might demand that the cameras on smartphones be active for the user to have access to content. People these days are so apathetic about privacy that they'll just click the "accept" button.
Advertising absolutely ruined it for themselves back in the early days of the internet with tons of banners, popups, noisy auto play videos etc. People reacted, reasonably, by blocking that shit. Now we're meant to suddenly trust them again and drop all shields? I don't think so - once bitten, twice shy.
very much this. adverts auto running with sound? fake [x] buttons that wont close the add but forward you to the link?
most of this was and still is extremly instrusive and sometimes even breaks the actual contant (the webpage). the amount of people that read up on how adblockers work wouldnt be a fraction without the pure necessity to do so.
OH and the whole argument "content creators live by adverts" is kinda lame too. There was a youtube before the creators made any money - and arguably this was the better version of this platform. The need for competition for search rankings, front page time and ad revenue has many negative impacts on this platform and arguably the overall quality of the content has not improved (on a technical level sure.. but on an artistic level certainly not)
There is a group of the internet you can blame for this: The porn industry, they are the pioneers in pretty much everything internet or media related.
@@hippo1985 That's true, they pioneered video on the web for sure. Never underestimate people's need to watch other folks bone on the internet.
@@GeddyRC I had a stroke of genius - Add adds to porn. Lots of them. That will be really fun, and the backlash would be hilarious
It's still the same shit, an aggressive ad policy shoving shady shit and scams down your throat
"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”
Gabe Newell was right.
"Piracy" via adblock is an act of rebellion against bad practice that hinders usage of the service. It's like pirating a game that has DRM so bad it constantly shuts down legal buyers but gets stripped by pirates. If we want to get around it, give people an option or ability to watch without interruptions, ads hog bandwidth makes it hard on mobile data or rocky connections, often breaking the video.
TH-cam does have a premium to nix ads, but then all it offers, "Pirates" already offer better, basic functionality that should be part of the service out the gate, not paywalled, things like listening to music unfocused.
Google is the biggest delivery system for ads, and they can't figure out a better form of advertisement to not be intrusive? I don't think so.
twitch spends more effort/my adblocker spends less effort on their site. any chinese streaming site will spend 10x the effort in adblock circumvention in my experience
I get and agree with your point, 100%. I have done less pirating myself once I actually had a way to buy things I wanted. The difference between my ability to buy content in 2022 and 2002 is crazy, and as a result, I don't even have a usenet service subscription anymore.
To be real here though, they gave you youtube red which removes every ad on every creator for $10/mo and people still adblock youtube. If $10/mo for everything isn't enough then I don't know what is. Linus literally built his own platform that he offers very affordable subscriptions on if you dislike youtube that does not have the youtube ads. If you like youtube it's $10/mo not just for him, but to be ad free for every creator on the platform.
If I were him I'd throw my hands up in the air and give up on the idea of pleasing anyone at that point.
@@rossmanngroup Yeah you're right, but alphabet can afford it and there's NO WAY I'm paying money into them.
I will support who I choose to support, as and when I can afford to do so, but I will support them directly. NOT through some company that is only going to pass on 1/3rd of my donations or purchases.
If YT were a more fair and less censorial platform who applied their rules without discrimination equally to all parties involved, I might think differently. But while I as an adult am being told what I can and cannot see, what I can and cannot say, beyond the grounds of what is generally acceptable public behaviour, nah... YT can choke on that big ol bag of dirty roosters.
TH-cam creators need to be forced to submit timecodes for their sponsored messages, so the TH-cam premium ad free experience is enforced. 😼
Perhaps Ad Nauseam is the way to go it blocks ads but also generates clicks on blocked ads so the content creator is paid and being an omni clicker it breaks tracking because it clicks everything. The only one getting screwed is the advertiser seems like a good way to do things given TV Commercials are paid for whether or not they are watched or fast forwarded. Honestly click based payment is problematic because it allows advertisers to not pay for advertising unless they get a user interaction out of it which is not how advertisers should pay content creators for hosting your ads without expecting a return.
Adblockers were a response to massively overwhelming, intrusive, and malicious ads, and we're all the better for having them.
Back in the 00s, Ad companies were unscrupulous and had absolutely no regulation on the net. Most served malware/viruses, not to mention the Flash-based ads with seizure-inducing flashing and sounds, the popups and click-jackers that would force-open new tabs if you so much as tried to click anywhere on a website, Gambling/Pr0n/other adult ads on otherwise innocent websites. Fake "Download" buttons so you never knew where to click.
No, I'll never feel bad about using an Adblocker.
OMG do you remember when pop-up ads were a real thing before ad-blockers. It was literally like that gta 5 mission at ifruit
Omg yes. I am not the type of person to go on questionable sites, but the amount of times I'd get malware on my pc prior to adblockers existing was so frustrating. Funny thing, ever since they came out and I started using them I've not had any issues. So no, I don't feel bad about all the youtubers I watch not getting the .0001 cent they would have from my ad view either.
Bullshit. I remember when Ad Blockers started. They started after the first shitstorm ads (pop-ups, whole screen ads, audio ads, flashing ads etc) was limited to shadiest of shady sites. Even Geocities and similar free space providers calmed down before AdBlockers started. Mostly because at that time there wasn't any plugin support for browsers and ads were hosted at site provider's side so you couldn't really screen them but they weren't a thing during the worst of times.
I don’t use ad blocker. Despite their technology the overwhelming majority of ads that are delivered to me have zero relevance or connection to me. I am continually amazed about the ads I receive. Ads like this are a form of violence. TH-cam fires ads at you just because they are paid to do so, and force you to watch them for a lot longer than is comfortable, however I have once or twice seen something that i actually ended up buying and found useful.
Yes, if ads were confined to static, tastefully made items that were seamlessly integrated into the site, I doubt I ever would have felt the desire to block them. But instead people thought the best way to advertise was to use pop-ups, seizure-inducing flash animations, huge banner ads that lumbered after you as you scrolled down the page, and any other way they could get your attention. Even if it was so annoying that the only effect it had on you was to make you swear to yourself that you would never, EVER, buy the product or service being advertised just on the principle of how annoying their advertising was! So of course, I started using adblockers.
There are a few channels I watch regularly and highly value their content. So for those what I do is open my secondary browser and open tabs for some of those channels. I mute the audio, set the video res to 144p, set the playback speed to 2x. Then I go to the video tab on their channels and press the "play all" button, and minimize the browser. This way those channels get to play all their ads that are never skipped. The playback speed goes to normal when playing ads which is fine. It usually takes almost a week to play all the videos on a channel. Then I will restart that browser to release all the ram it was using, load up other sites I watch and do it again. Once I have cycled through them all I start again. My system is on 24/7 so it's not costing me any extra money to do this, and it negates the guilt I would feel if I didn't do this for my favorite channels.
In countries like mine dowloading copyrighted stuff or using peer to peer networks is not even piracy. Piracy only occurs if you resell copyrighted material and make a profit out of it, like seting up a website to sell mickey mouse t-shirts and other knock offs. It would actually make more sense to sue advertisers for unauthorized use of personal data in order to make a profit
For me, the last straw was the uninterruptible commercials in the middle of the video, with the volume much higher than the content of the video. I installed uBlock and I'm very satisfied, I'm not going to turn it off.
I will never turn it off. Not until everything is fixed and ads are actually an enjoyable enough experience.
For me the reason why I did it is *since 18th November afaik they began shoving ads on non monetized and no copyright claim videos.* Which happens to me. It disgruntled me
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@@laravelisbullschitt3281 The current ad music “meta” appears to be ukulele, whistling and / or lame “folksy” singing, and claps and stomps for percussion.
I feel the same as you.
@@ADreamingTraveler what's funny is the unskipable double ads make you skip more or not pay attention.
So let's say there's a actual good ad, you want to watch the whole thing, but just as it ends, you forget to skip it (because in this case the first ad was skippable but you didn't casually it was good) and the second ad starts playing and it's not skippable, the next time a cool ad comes on, you skip right away
@@SilverStarHeggisist Yeah, with advertisements, they get too greedy and scummy, then have the nerve to act like people are the scum of the earth for trying to block that trash
Seeing as I pay per byte to even use the internet, ads are literally stealing my data usage for content I do not wish to download. Imagine having to pay a postage for ads in the mail or paying for minutes from telemarketer spam calls. Ads are one of the main reason I don't even watch TV anymore.
Another reason why adblockers are a necessity. Even if I had 100GB/month, I wouldn't want to waste any. Kind of unrelated, but I wonder what the carbon footprint of the entire advertising industry is at this point
me too i was pretty tired of watching 5 minutes of uninterrumped ads
Do ISPs even offer services with data caps anymore? That's some 2005 shit
@@Gr00t Mine certainly does.
@@Dmayrion2 I apologise greatly for the hell you're living through.
Piracy is TH-cam running ads on videos and NOT paying the content creators, limiting their reach, etc.
Part of the agreement is not always a good argument.
@@JimAllen-Persona Chrome has extensions that can block. Chrome is put out by Google. The adblockers extensions are authorized by Google. Go talk to Google about that.
@@yoyoclockEbay Yeah, its bad. But nobody came up with anything better so far. So youtube > no youtube.
FortuneZero
I always allowed up to thirty seconds of ads to play in order to support my favourite creators.
Until I found out that TH-cam were playing ads on unmonetised creators and content. Now I NEVER allow ads to play. Everyone loses!
🍌😤
@Jim Allen
I wasn't aware I'd signed an agreement with youtube or any content creators to watch adverts.
One thing I think is actually interesting is that individuals using an ad-blocker incentivises companies to sponsor individual creators, which actually makes it BETTER for creators, so that have more liberty over the ads that are served to their audience. It's a little counter-intuitive that it works this way, but it means that any creator who uses sponsorship is going against the main monetization stream of the platform.
If anything, I think that spaces like TH-cam and TikTok should accept that the scene has changed and do more to help creators find sponsorships, negotiate pricing, and then be able to skim off a part of that sponsorship because they are providing the platform. I think that's fair and innovative and also works to the best interest of the audience, who (rationally) have learned not to trust the ads that are fed to them by companies. For the most part, ads are predatory and mostly get to feed on the same portion of the population again and again.
Great video! I'm pretty sure this is the first video of yours I've seen, and it's amazing quality.
(edit) That being said, I think that individual creators should work on figuring out if they want to monetize their videos and what that might mean for them, and I think that TH-cam should do more for creators to make sure they aren't getting unfairly demonetized or striked, because they owe that to their creators.
SponsorBlock.
Most sponsors on YT are also scummy and don't deserve money (there are well-documented essays and documentaries about most of the controversial ones like BetterHelp or Audible).
A good portion of the ads on TH-cam are blatant scams. It would be irresponsible not to protect yourself and your family from scammers. Hard to call that piracy.
By that metric, you probably do not watch pre-election campaigns because they are also full of lies and scams to get this or that con man elected, turning your eyes away from what is happening hardly makes things any better, you need to educate your family not shield it from the reality of present days, which you at least partially doing by watching this channel. Think about some better excuse next time.
@muis1498he's literally a pirate😢
If i see one more add for free money through some health program. Using edited clips of famous people I'll gladly pass. Claiming its piracy while also not filtering what is advertise or its legitimacy.
Claiming you own someones data is like claiming you Own your Wife......
Exactly right
I have found advertising in any form just depressing. I hate being advertised to and find it at times actually exhausting. I wish the world wasn't this way and I fear what the future has in store.
advertising actually makes me less likely to buy a product simply because I find ads annoying, and whenever I see the product it makes me think of the ad and my monkey brain just feels intense disgust
Exactly. If a company forces me to watch ads or come knocking on my door trying to solicit my business, I won't give them my money just out of principle at that point. I don't care if it's the best deal ever. If I'm in the market to buy something...say a new internet provider, then I'll do my research and choose the best option for me, not what some guy tries to tell at some folding table at the grocery store that asks trap questions like, "Don't you like to save money?" No, fuck off asshole.
@@BeetleBuns Agreed. Ads usually earn my spite and nothing else.
yes like the Raid Shadow legends Ads get me mad as hell.
The reason why advertisement is there is because people want a free service
I actively go out of my way to NOT buy any item or service that was advertised to me in a way that inconvenienced me in the slightest. Adblock is actually helping companies who advertise in my case :)
This.
I am really reluctant using something that I've seen ads for, even if people recommend it to me.
I don't like (most) ads. If someone makes an ad to show it to me, I don't like them and I don't want any of their garbage anymore.
A fairly common practice in the Balkans is that in tourist areas packed full of bars and restaurants, they will have someone inviting people to take a seat at one of their tables. Walking in those areas feels a heck of a lot like going on a site where I have to deal with an ad after every other sentence.
@@AresFordwin I grew up in the Balkans and I always felt coerced by that practice, hate it. Also, I love my Ublock origin.
Same
@@AresFordwin Unfortunately this practice is pretty much universal in Touristy areas around the world. I remember once a few years back my family and I were in Monterey California on Fishermans wharf. We had intended to eat dinner at one of the many restaurants there, as we had done many times before, but i became so disgusted by the aggressive hawkers the restaurants were employing that I insisted we leave and go elsewhere. We ended up eating at a Benihana (a teppanyaki chain) not far from the wharf instead.
Linus is under the impression that you're paying to watch his vids, instead of them being free, with advertising being a by-product.
Its the equivalent to paying into a shopping mall, instead of them being free to enter, but advertisements for different stores are placed around.
I feel absolutely no guilt over using an ad blocker for...I can't even remember how long now. The amount of marketing that is shoved down your throat every day is bad for you on a psychological and financial level. Limiting it as much as you can will net a very positive outcome for any individual. Using the internet without one is low-key torturous. I support artists and creators by buying their art or subbing on Patreon. Ad blockers are a response to the abundance of ads, not the problem themselves. I'm not wasting more of my life being advertised to if I can. Side note: Most of the time you are getting served an ad even if you have ad blocker. It's called sponsored content.
This is what I think. Advertisement is the cancer of our epoch. It influences our society and it doesn't seem to be a limit to this extent.
Someone needs to develop adblock that actually works on phones youtube app etc
Then pay 11 bucks/month for youtube premium you act like you have no alternatives but watch or use adblock
@@emmanueloverrated Honestly, I've grown tired enough from those 3 minute pieces of sponsored content that I've downloaded SponsorBlock, just makes the video skip right past all those incedibly annoying Raid: Shadow Legends ads you get shoved down your throat for 3 minutes non-stop, on every single TH-cam video out there basically. Life changer, honestly.
In about 1.5 years my adblocker has blocked 1.8 million ads. I will never stop using it.
I accepted ads when it was one before a video, or two for a longer video. Then, they started to put three in front of a video, and put more ads in the middle of the video, and started playing the same ad over and over. Ad abuse is a real thing, and consumers have the right to protect themselves from it. This goes double for paid services, such as cable, or 'ad-free' radio (which the first time I heard an add on Sirius, I immediately cancelled my Sirius subscription). I feel zero sympathy for advertisers, because they go too far, too often, and break their own "implied contracts" to 'steal' your attention. Without Adblocker, TH-cam would not be watchable, and the creators would not get my support either through likes, comments, or merchandise sales. Considering that many smaller creators don't even get the ad revenue anymore, but ads still play over their content, the advertisers can go **** themselves.
yeah why would anybody want to support google, the only people i would want to give ad revenue to are small creators, and they don't even get the revenue plus i will stop using ad block when they get rid of multiple ads in a row before the video even starts, i will stop using ad block when we can see dislikes again, im not going to monetarily support something without a rating system
This is just a lame excuse. Google earns money by selling ad slots or subscriptions. If you are unhappy with the pricetag be it time in advertisement or in money for the subscription, you can choose not to use the service. Circumventing the ads is technically fraud. The financial damage is small, but still there.
@@fabianfeilcke7220 i will stop using ad block when they get rid of multiple ads in a row before the video even starts,
i will stop using ad block when youtube stops demonetizing creators and stealing their ad revenue,
i will stop using ad block when we can see dislikes again, im not going to monetarily support something without a rating system
@@markilleen4027 Then you are stealing. It is up to TH-cam how many ads they want to place and it is up to the advertisers which videos they want to advertise on. Kind of funny that you complain about creators not being paid while stealing from TH-cam. If you want to support your creator feel free to join Red or another subscription based video platform that gives money directly to their creators.
Your reasoning is basically "This TV is too expensive, therefore I steal it"
@@fabianfeilcke7220 No, it is not, even in the widest definition, theft.
There is a moral dimension to it but there is nothing illegal here. There is no actual contract to take ads on TH-cam and even if there were, good luck enforcing it.
The reason I stopped watching television was the ridiculous amount of advertisements, so I moved over to online viewing. I will never, ever turn my adblocker off.
That's also the main reason I don't want TV anymore.
Not so great content anymore.
Bloated of advertisement they can make a segment of its own after each show. Ugh.
the last time I watched TV it was around 1/3 to 1/2 of the time just watching advertisements, literally un usable
Ads are ridiculous. I’ve noticed TH-cam can tell when you’re not engaging on the site/app. When I do dishes and I let those 10-15 seconds ads run, TH-cam knows that I’m away from my device and start ramping the timer of the ads, from a few seconds to literally 2-3 hour ads. HOURS LONG ADS? Who the fuck even has that much money to have their hour long ads run wild lol it’s absurd. I can’t even listen to the radio because it’s the same level of absurdity when it comes to ads. In an hour long run you end up spending over half the time listening to ads rather than music
@@Deminogg True. And the same is with billboards here. Those billboards are screaming from everywhere. It's almost as annoying as those ads on YT.
When it comes to Linus himself..maybe it's me but I don't get it. I don't get how he can have some many followers and people be actually interested in his content. Apart from his annoying voice his content is pure crap.
When it comes to his opinion on ads.. well, it's his opinion. Not a fact.
I gladly let iPhone users who don't have Vanced pay for youtube creators. It's like when you don't want to have children, with the time they take and the money they cost. There will always be enough people to make the species survive...😁
Can we argue TH-cam's new feature of "Most replayed" in the video loading bar is to some extent a way of skipping the creator's sponsor segment? As soon as a creator's sponsor segment comes up I go to skip the video ahead and TH-cam makes it convenient by showing where most people skipped to.
You don't have SponsorBlock extension? It works on Firefox too
Don't give them ideas.
No way, even TH-cam is encouraging "piracy"!
Just try to make the sponsor part watchable and you avoid that problem entirely, I watch for example comedy channels and the ad parts are hilarious, my channel is super small and so far I have made only 1 video with a sponsor segment, on the whatch time graph there's a lot of people watching and re-watching that segment, and on the other side, I've sent like more than 300 people to the referral link and made some money already, and the channel's super new, I don't even have 500 subs yet, the problem isn't on the action of advertise but on doing it wrong, or boring or just reading a company script, if they knew how to do it they wouldn't be paying you to do it, so big part is on the initial negotiation with them saying yeah no Jerry I won't read that 5000 words panflet as it won't help either of us, let me do it my way.... See true classic shirts ads with millions of unpaid views and shares etc, ads aren't bad, *bad ads are bad
@@CoolWatchesOnly Eh
The problem is when youtubers don't know what they sponsor, which is most of the time.
When the platforms that serve ads can be held accountable for the malware that comes with those ads, I'll think about turning off Adblock.
But as it is, I consider it to be the front line of my security apps.
This is exactly why in some lists, common advertising domains are part of a 'malicious feed' because these domains don't always do the best vetting, and thus their content should be considered possibly malicious.
It's less about malware and more about being tracked by the same ad companies on all websites that I visit for me.
Adverts are psychological malware
I went into full adblocker usage when sites started having obnoxious auto-playing videos with sound, and it felt like over 50% of the page was ads.
I know using adblockers screws over the sites by not giving them payment from advertisers, but they chose to have obnoxious ads.
I was quite fine with sites having subtle ads that I mentally ignored.
(Even though having ads slowed down my browsing experience on my low-performance internet connection back then)
Exactly. I don't mind to disable adblock for sites I like, problem is most of them don't have a minimal sense of respect with the reader, flooding the page with tons of ads everywhere (some of them even leading to scam or porn content), which makes the navigation almost impossible, not to mention the amount of CPU power/bandwidth needed to handle all of the ads.
Actually, using adblock doesn't screw over the site. This is how ads work. Company pays network to serve ad, network puts ad into system to be served, network pays a small fraction of what was paid to creator IF the ad gets watched. This works for live streaming sites like Twitch, this works for web pages with 30 ad blocks(which by the way, only pay if it's CLICKED, not if it's viewed), this works for video sharing sites like TH-cam. The network already got it's money. So a better way to support creators is to support them directly, either through merch(almost everyone likes clothes, unless you're a nudist) or through things like Patreon and direct donations.
My suggestion: Visit better sites. If I get a site that has 100 ads on a page, I will never go back. My theory is if they need that many ads, it must be because they won't expect to retain me with the content for more than a single page, so screw them.
Exactly my thoughts
Absolutely nailed it. Needless to say the ads usually are like 10x louder than regular content, and sometimes they would even go off in "inactive" tabs that have scripts to reload the ad stuff after a given amount of time. That and the vast and utter mass of malware hidden in them are the main reasons I use uBlock Origin. Another is just saving lots, and I mean LOTS of loading time and even data traffic on mobile. I don't pay my carrier a fortune per month for a gig or two just to have that drained by a truckload of ads I don't care about.
As for TH-cam, some uploaders know how to exaggerate with what feels like a thousand pieces of midrolls. Not exactly my taste of tea. Too bad I can't set rules for individual channels that I would totally support by letting the ads play. Some of them that I watch a lot and I know they need the cash get a few bucks per Patreon though as a fair compensation (and actually that's a LOT more than the adsense revenue). I used to recommend using AdBlock basically everywhere for quite a while - in order to support some content creators indirectly, I don't do that anymore. If someone is nagging about the ads I tell them they could get YT Premium to get rid of that, but I won't mention a blocker anymore. I've considered doing that myself as well, but my income is extremely limited. I'd instantly do that if my situation would better though.
I started to be a pirate from age of 5, when I figure out I can mute sound on TV during ads. That was actually because ads on TV were much louder that actual shows.
I remember when our national TV station finally decided to drop the audio volume of the ads to match the rest of the broadcast content (in the mid 2010's) ... and were patting themselves on the back like they did something amazing!! 🙄😴
Yo ho ho and a carton of juicy juice
@@williamdrum9899 Lmao
They still do that a lot of the time, Spotify convinced me to get premium because the ads were at 500% volume.
Before that I figured out you can just leave the room
Advertising is piracy. They're stealing my time.
I control what my computer does. Adblock tools are tools to control how my computing resources are used. Me using a tool to choose NOT to download and piece of data and process it on my machine is ALWAYS a legal, legitimate thing, end of story.
A good analogy for this is that you post a poster beside the door to your free exhibit with the expectation that people will look at it, and I choose to not look at the poster.
but the act of using their server without payment is the theoretical illegal part, you can have adblock all you want, just stay off servers that dont want computers using that software. You are probably the same person that installs wall hacks and aimbot in games and thinks they dont deserve to be banned.
Agreed. Especially when many people have data caps for either their phone and or their home internet. Nobody wants to use THEIR OWN MONEY(data) to PAY FOR ADVERTISERS to show them something they don't want to see. It's asinine. We already are inundated day in and day out by advertising that we can't control. The hell if I'm not going to control what little I can in my own home on my own computer.
I think a really good analogy is a company giving away free merchandise with their logo on it for advertisement.
When they give you the T-shirt you own it you can do what you want. If you want to burn the T-shirt you can. You want to remove the logo and still wear the shirt you can.
Professional298 please google do what this guy said, Odysee would really appreciate the extra push.
I got more hardcore about ad blocking when the ads became so obtrusive. Pop ups, pop overs, auto play video ads, large scrolling banners etc.
On phones and mobile devices the ads on even mainstream sites have rendered them nearly unusable or slow to load on some connections.
Before I have much sympathy content creators need to push back and remind these ad agencies they would have no market without them and knock it off with the obtrusive crap.
Not to forget all the malware popups or fake "virus in your computer" ads that would lead to a website that tries to either scam you or give you viruses, lol.
I was pretty indifferent to Ads about 7-10 years ago, and honestly back when I was a broke teen, I was actually happy to support my favorite creators at least in that way. Then TH-cam made their ads unbearable, they would advertise malware, gross mobile games, and sketchy apps with bets/casinos/investments/etc. The final nail in the coffin was when they started putting 15 second unskippable ads before videos that were 10-60 seconds long, that is just cruel, don't waste my time...
@@hikkamorii thats not even the worst part, the worst ones were before they had set amount of ads on video length sometimes you'd get like 4 + unskippable ads on a 4 minute video. Like no boo, im refreshing, and if it stays that way im leaving
exactly this, I don't mind watching a promo a content creator PUTS in their video as an ad, but when the site's I'm browsing shove 86 ads down my throat and only 23% of my screen is the content I ACTUALLY want to consume, then I'm blocking them. its straight up some dystopian future like in black mirror where you cant close your eyes during ads.
ublock origin blocked 429 ad related stuff just on this page ONLY. sorry , im keeping it. I also pay bandwidth
Don't forget that using adblock also increases your device's security. It has happened a few times by now that large ad networks have been hacked and were distributing malware along with the ads.
The biggest reason for me to use adblock is that I don't want to be tracked. I don't mind watching a sponsored message in a video which helps the creator, but I just don't want to be tracked, which is pretty much what all ad networks do nowadays.
I became interested in adblock and script blockers after a couple cases of ad networks spreading malware.
The sites and networks took NO responsibility for the massive damage they caused.
You're simply not obliged to download something that you do not want to, regardless of why.
It's happened repeatedly without the ad network being hacked too. The advertisers don't care enough to properly vet the ads are secure.
That is how I look at Adblocker. It is for security. And for those that are born after 2000, most likely did not experience the era that adware/malware was on every other official free/demo programs and sites would on the regular run popup and pop under banner ads, even full screen popup windows and a majority of these banners were purposefully intrusive and miss leading in order to interrupt your viewing and make you click them. It was a common practice for sites in general.
And youtube is one of the few sites that I will turn it off occasionally for those that I subscribe to, but I do keep it on when I am just browsing.
@@onehairybuddha They literally force you to see the ads without adblocker, wth are you talking about.
To me it's not even clear if the content creators are hurt by adblocker, at all.
Obviously, if your public likes and respects your work, and turn off adblock manually for your videos, you'll get higher revenue, sure.
But if adblocks just didn't exist, and everyone was forced to watch every ad on every video, and every site, what do you suppose would happen with ad prices? Offer vs demand, all ads would get far more clicks, meaning those clicks would get cheaper, to me it's not obvious that content creators would earn more if everyone was watching more ads, while the ad prices were to decrease anyway.
The only time I have ever gotten a computer virus in 20 years, it came from an advertisement on a national news website (twice, a couple months apart). If the ads weren't so obnoxious and dangerous, fewer people would feel the need to block them.
news websites are the absolute WORST for catching the internet-AIDS. Sketchy porn sites are safer to visit without blockers than news sites.
I've been hearing about that being the case between hidden ads that auto-play, or ones that auto-redirect to either the Google Play Store or even doing malicious downloads. It's one of the biggest reasons I keep an adblock on my PC, but I pay for certain ad-free services such as TH-cam Premium (mainly for YT Music under legacy system.)
@@Fonic_Artes minecraft for mods some sites have 3-6 fake download buttons which ad block blocks
Back when they came to be, I didn't really mind the occasional ad to help support the creator. Now when something like a 30 second trailer that itself is an advertisement then has 2 minutes of advertisements in front of it, its way out of control. If they insist, then it should be *ONE* advertisement at the start, and _MAXIMUM_ one every 15 minutes, so its useable and people don't feel the need to block them all. At this point its virtually intolerable due to how greedy they are now.
the porn ads...
The amount of trackers and performance degradation that I get from websites when I don't use an ad blocker is honestly scary. But in relation to TH-cam I get ads on 40 second videos which is a joke.
TH-cam TV covers 5 accounts, skips ads on TH-cam, play in background on TH-cam, and gives you TH-cam TV. It's $15 a month per account if you go family style. It's worth every penny at that price.
Only downside is I can't not pay for CNN and TYT...
@@JasonCloseOK Ads are always loaded in the highest quality, even if I've set the videos to 144p. They allow basically any ad. Hell, I remember an uproar last year because people were getting borderline porno ads. People get demonitized and copyrighted for things that really have no business being copyrighted/demonetized, all the time. Also, I've looked at a few channels which get basically every video demonetized, and there were still ads. That is theft.
They can offer me the best deal in the world and I still wouldn't pay out of principle.
youtube has ads?
The funny thing is everyone knows Linus is running adblockers just like the rest of us, but if he can convince more people to watch ads then that's more money in his pocket.
"I don't even care"
Proceeds to go on a screed about piracy
Adblockers *REEEEEEEEEEE*
**Also using unlicenced windows**
better yet, if he(linus) truly beleived his own bs, he would move his entire library off youtube but as you said it yourself as long as its profitable he will not regardless of his stance. this is especially bad for a tech channel that should know that adblocking is one of the many layers required for safe browsing.
Oh, and then gaslighting is rich in this one. He did not say "Illegal" but he said "Piracy" as if the definition of piracy isn't literally illegal activity, theft of goods and property.
I mean, Linus is a money grubbing scumbag.
If youtube doesn't want people blocking ads, they shouldn't have 30 second unskippable ads every 2 minutes in a video.
Funny thing is... I NEVER bothered with adblockers in times past until 3 things happened. A significant increase in ads that would cover half the screen & scroll down with the page (& open pop ups if I tried to x them), ANY website with the ever frustrating re-directing pages to anything but what I was trying to open (& wouldn't let you back arrow), & youtube forcing video ads halfway through a 10 minute clip of someone talking, usually in the middle of a sentence. Seriously, I never had an issue with banner ads, but forcibly getting in the way of what I was trying to view was literally THE nail in the coffin that made me adopt an ad blocker. Like... guys, I'm totally happy for the ads to sit there on the sides or bottom of a page or video, just don't FUCKING INTERRUPT ME! /endrant
I used adblock for a lot of things but not on youtube until some years ago when youtube started forcing 7-10 minute ads on videos and to add insult to injury you had to pick your own poison by choosing which 8 minute ad you wanted to watch (and these ads did not have a "click here to skip ad" button) before youtube would let me watch the actual video which was often shorter than the damn ad. Now I just adblock everything, no compromise. It's also just not worth the risk with autoplay ads being the most dangerous.
that's really it. a small banner ad or two or even 3 is fine, but these fucks got greedy and want half of the page advertising. a case of a few bad apples you know.
Yeah i literally dont watch twitch because of intrusive ads mid live videos. unbearable.
@@YojiroX I never get hit with the "choose your ad" thing. but ever since TH-cam did their "red" shit, Ive noticed (on my phone my PC runs 3 blocks and 2 anti tracker/ cookie programs) that they will hit you with 2 back to back unskipable 15-30 second ads, and another 2 at the end of a vid, WITH at least 3 more ad breaks in the middle of a 10 minute video. and its Aggravating as all hell. I finally got to the point when I downloaded the firefox browser for my phone and the ad block programs with it JUST so I can listen to a pod cast or music play list while driving my class B truck around from job to job! I cant touch my phone wile the truck is in gear (cameras in cab watch everything I do) so I cant hit skip after 5-10 seconds. It will say skip in 5 seconds, But Ive timed it with a stop watch a few times. Its not accually 5 seconds. It sometimes take a full 10 to "Unlock" the skip option!
@@HighmageDerin I like opera because it comes with a built in ad blocker. It works on both my pc and phone.
Ad blocking is a consequence of the way greedy advertising networks abused internet users in the past, and can't be taken back or forgotten. It's unfortunate that content creators are now paying the price, but ultimately they'll be forced to find new (or old) ways to monetise.
for content creator it really is catch 22
to get a business out of a channel it need to grow
you can't grow your channel with things like nebula
nor can you shift completely to nebula and or your own website after you become big
your viewership will simply not grow and over time it'll die out
so a good chunk of your content need to be in the free platform which i would hope people find it understandable that even though it's free no business would want to do it with negative profit. so people complain about their free content is in fact not free (but they won't actually spend money if given the choice)
Honestly don't even feel bad for YT. They block monetization on 70% of the content I enjoy anyway, so it's not like me blocking ads even matters anymore - Yet YT likes to still try to show ads on things YT won't pay creators on. Creators should be moving away from forced ads anyway. I liked it when they didn't have to, but it appears that the people in charge of ads have no interest in being remotely reasonable anyway.
Adblock telling advertisers that you blocked it, makes impressions from people who don't use adblock more valuable, since it weeds out the people who will never engage with the ads anyway- I'm more likely to engage negatively anyway, with companies that advertise to me. I am guaranteed to not be one of the impressions that will lead to a purchase, so it's not like advertises have less purchases, by not having me.
The problem with advertisements is they're fundamentally incompatible with the free market. They're a form of enforced revenue. They're trying to force to watch the ad by any means necessary (we have adblock detection even today, and I'm not looking forward to the day when eye tracking becomes common and inevitable), and they're trying to force you to buy a product with the ad itself, which is what pays for the ad in the first place. All of this is an attempt to make products successful based on what businesses would like, instead of their customers. There is no option for this to be an acceptable form of revenue.
Subscription models are infinitely better, because with those at least you're paying for the product only, and not a whole miscellaneous industry as well that only exists to waste your time, spy on you, and manipulate your purchases to hijack some of your influence over the market. That's why TH-cam Premium pays so much better, it cuts out all these middlemen.
i remember the days when "creators" had their own site and post all their things on it
I totally agree but unfortunately this perspective applied maybe in 2007? At this point content creators especially on TH-cam know exactly what they're doing and are just as much part of the problem. Linus business model is ads and promotion not content. Content is the side gig. Linus wouldn't want you to pay him for content because there are many others who could produce better content than him. Half his content is paid promotion.
The FBI literally advised people to use an ad blocker last year. If the government suggests it, it’s probably not illegal.
Yeah let Linus sue FBI, or he has no balls and its just words as always (like returning a prototype that he has reviewed and sold it right after that)
I mean at this point their going to argue that going to the bathroom during a 30 seconds ad is also unethical as your not physically watching the advert.
"If the government suggests it, it’s probably not illegal"...
Points at entirety of history,
Yeah I wouldn’t live by that motto
@shawkorror Illegal. Not unethical. Historically the government had not often encouraged people to break the government's rules.
TH-cam ads have become so aggressive and intrusive, making the mobile app virtually unusable. The only skippable ads are ads in TH-cam shorts, but how long before TH-cam prevents you from scrolling until the ad is finished? An adblock software is almost a necessity to using the internet anymore. I remember circa 2005, the worst you had to worry about were loud JS ads that blared over your speakers at max volume. How I wish that was all we had to deal with nowadays.
Sailing the high seas has never and will never make me feel bad. These companies that make good products will get their income, from myself and others. Companies that make garbage will be prone to dealing with piracy because people aren't paying for bad products, but if the product can be used for free, why not?
I used to allow ads in the interest of fair play. But having constantly dealt with intrusive and disruptive ads as well as malicious software, I block all ads and have for years. My attitude now is this: it's not my problem, I don't care how you cover costs, and you can't stop me.
If you go to websites full of malicious software thinking that ad block will protect you then you are their ideal customer because every picture and script running on that website may contain some nasty stuff regardless of ads. Did you get any virus from watching TH-cam? Probably not, because if service providers were in the last couple of years not capable of reasonably well defending against that, you likely would not have an email address managed by these providers too, as they use similar tech to clean incoming emails of harmful additions. So, you likely just selectively punishing everybody for the mistakes of the few, while continuing to use all of their services. The real harm comes not from ads but from metadata collection, and ad blockers do nothing against that but it is the reason why big companies do not care about your ad blocking that much, in fact, you can find ad blocker ads even on TH-cam, despite ads will be the only thing they are left with once people start taking countermeasures against data collection of their privacy when sufficient harm is done worldwide (like Cambridge Analytica scandal where UK referendum/US election were influenced with targeted ads using illegally obtained metadata) for governments start to give a damn to the point of not caring about a bit of harm to profits of big data collectors...
same, being using adblocker since 2012, before 2012 i had to deal with viruses all the time, but as soon as i started using adblocker all my virus issues went away, go figure
It’s not your responsibility to subsidise a business
Allowing ads because of fair play is gotta be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. OK maybe not ever, but this month.
Couldn't agree more! Opening your browser without an Ad blocker these days is like walking into a mall just to burn some time and have every shop owner surround you, some poking you and some jumping right in front of you, blocking your view, trying to force their merch on you.
The advertisers brought this upon themselves with their intrusive, abusive, hyper-aggressive, in-your-face ad strategies. I don't feel the least bit sorry for them or any site that insists on hosting them. For me, the use of an ad blocker has become non-negotiable.
It's to the point where I can't even use sites on mobile phones because every white surface is an ad that hasn't loaded yet.
Good thing Firefox mobile comes with the ability to load AdBlock
@@Nerobyrne yea. I used to like Pinterest to look at art but now every 3rd or 4th image is a ad. These ads are distracting and take me out of what m looking at. Very annoying
@@Nerobyrne I got brave for android because that built-in adblock
didn't know firefox had it as an option, though as weird as brave is, I think I prefer it. firefox's rotting corpse makes me sad.
The thing I don't understand is why, in a discussion mostly about blocking ads on youtube, everyone in the comments always brings up popups and cancerous ads that you see on other sites. TH-cam's ads are generally fine, if those issues were really your problem you'd whitelist youtube on your adblocker. If you don't it tells me that you really just care about being slightly inconvenienced and you're using those sites as an excuse.
@@dalmationblack for me it's a deal breaker if the content I'm watching is interrupted.
The thing is, I don't even have a problem paying for TH-cam Premium.
But lots of other sites are terrible so I still run adblockers.
Plus, the one I'm using can actually block stuff that's not ads but still annoying, like Autoplay videos.
The crazy part is, in 2019 Linus put out a video on how to set up PiHole, a whole network adblocker. He said, "if you like this video and you do deploy this solution, please buy a shirt or a hoodie." He was okay with the merch argument then, and he literally taught people how to block ads... So I guess he's teaching piracy?
He is not teaching piracy because this is not piracy. He is just trying to be a smartass with his fan base but got put back in his place by the community.
He is teaching privacy, even said the exact same thing in his video/WAN show where he discussed it.
To be fair, they also teach how to build a Hackintosh.
Linus should shut his PieHole
@@wildecity_88 Linus is a pompous douche and people pay too much attention to what he says because of his success in the youtube/media/tech space. I don't think he needs to shut up, but I think people need to ignore him.
Linus' misconception about this whole thing is that watching the ads is the price of admission to view his content, and that _that_ is the social contract.
It's not. In the attention economy the real social contract is that if enough people care about your content then you rise to the top of the algorithmic heap. And If you do that, then _maybe_ you get a shot at merch, affiliate deals, and sponsorships, etc. Maybe you even get big enough, financially secure enough, that you can start grandstanding in front of your viewers, and telling them they're wrong for wanting to skip the 3 pre-roll ads before a video that gives them 20 minutes of escapism after another day of drudgery.
_That's_ why people were mad. Because they didn't like being condescended to by the man on the screen. Because Linus forgot the social contract.
"I love spending the day toiling away at work, only to return home and be force fed advertisements for products from multi billionaire companies I'll never buy."
Yeah, that's some shit no one ever said.
I only recently started using adblock, for years I made a conscious effort to not install it but after TH-cam started introducing 2-3 unskippable video ads or creators putting 10 freaking ads on a 15 minute video or opening some website resulted in literally 2/3 of my screen being covered by banners and pop ups I said enough is enough. I perfectly understand the need for ads but I feel like nowadays they are abused to the point of being insufferable.
I like to unsubscribe when that happens, then put in a comment about why I've unsubscribed. The best part is when you're trying to, say, research something you think you might purchase, get an ad (or two) up front, then find out the review is just some guy posting marketing material (zero effort made).
@@camberwellcarrot420 Especially when you're trying to look up a tutorial or help with a problem and the creator pads the video for ad time when the solution only needed less than a minute.
Install sponsor block itll help
Yeah... now I just turn it off and start the video, let the 5 second 10 second ads run. Or the banner pop up and then turn the blocker back on. I can't deal with the ads that scream in my ear, during a video... it's extremely obnoxious. Why would I ever pay attention to, or buy something that gave me heart failure...?
TH-cam doesn't do that.
I'll consider turning off my adblocker when websites stop completely screwing over their efficiency and functionality not only with intrusive ads, but other """"features"""" that adblockers can block.
yeah fuck video ads that's BUFFERING
And viruses too.
Fake download buttons...
Yeah, here I am trying to read an article without an Adblock and the whole page jumps around the damn universe bc it’s trying to load all that garbage. Also majority of websites are so bloated they don’t even finish loading.
I love the "Block Element" button. You know what Twitter, I don't want to see your trends when all you put in there is more celebrity and sports garbage that I've told you time and time again I'm not interested in. Flash is gone now, but before it was, no websites I don't want to see your massive obnoxious slow Flash banner on your home screen.
As many said: in general, AdBlock is a simple measure of security. I'll also *strongly* recommend script blockers. I block *all* javascript by default and only if I allow some domains - they're in. Now, about YT ads: *1* They're terrible and intrusive; *2* They are unskippable; *3* Even if you "support the creator" they will often insert a promotion into their video anyways, dipping you twice. So "YT Red" / "Patreon" are irrelevant here; *4* Creators now expect revenues - fair, but comparison with piracy or even just tickets is totally wrong. You're right here: "who pays - advertisers vs creators"; *5* YT existed long before ad revenues. And it was great.
You're missing a key point, TH-cam ran at a loss for years. There came a point where it was so popular something had to be done to cover its costs, without that it would not exist right now.
unskippable ads are only 15 seconds max it's not even that much time, also you can skip sponsorships??
@@Punched0 Problem for me is that YT let scammers run ads with freaking shit audio and visual. If they curated ads better and do a better job on the Ads algorithm then maybe.
I have to get on YT premium train to get rid of these kind of ads.
@@Punched0 *1* Mid rolls + the start ads can easily sum to several minutes; *2* IT DOES NOT matter how long are unskippable ads, the very fact that they are is horrible; *3* You try on mobile device and see how many ads there are; *4* It DOES NOT matter you can skip sponsorship, the very fact you'll still be fed ads even if you're on YT Red/support with merch/Patreon is horrible
I can go on. The "implied contract" has been broken long ago. And it did not start with the AdBlocker.
@@alexatkin any hard data on the loss part? Any analysis?
Linus auctioned off a prototype waterblock that he verbally trashed after literally using it wrong
I find it kind of curious that Linus takes sponsorships from VPN services, who advertise as one of their main purposes is to bypass region blocks of streaming services like Netflix. Would watching a Netflix show not available in your country not be piracy?
HMMMM
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Well, what Linus said, and clarify extensively in their WAN show, is that if you want to block ads... go ahead. Just be aware of what impact it will bring. That's on you. Whatever the reason you block ads. Also, in the WAN show he corrected himself that yes indeed "piracy" is a wrong term he is using.
Would explain why he sometimes just makes weird/awkward ads as if he had to make it last minute for picking up the contract just for cash
Linus has a video explaining how his adds are setup. He's removed from that process films them and they get dropped in usually
un-related to opinion & the content they are making.
Digital piracy is to make an unauthorized copy of something. Ad-blocking is refusing to view/filtering out specific content (i.e. advertisements). These two definitions do not overlap in meaning, they are not the same.
That makes sense.... except that your definition is nonsensical. Streaming a video illegally is piracy, piracy has nothing to do with straight up downloading a video or "making a copy". Even by this definition streaming would still be considered illegal because streaming is your computer litteraly making a shot term copy of a video on your computer. If a website states that viewing ads are the payment necessary to view their content, refusing that payment while still receiving the content is literal piracy.
@justalonelypoteto it depends on how the company decides to put their content on the market. TH-cam relies on a sort of content as a service platform where they obviously do not want people downloading their videos, ESPECIALLY music. This is why there is no real download button, and you have to go through alternative sketchy methods in order to do so. A company has a right to put whatever limitations on their services they want, if they say you need to watch ads to access their content, that is the rule you must follow. Doing otherwise is literally piracy. You state "download it for backup purposes" but a company does not need to give you the right to download the content. I don't believe any content platform such as Netflix or HBO or Disney+ allow true downloads. This is common with software such as CAD where you download gigabytes worth of software, but as soon as your subscription ends it's all worthless. You pay to have access to the software, you watch ads to have access to the content, its not that complicated.
@00Kode00 Yes and no depeneding on your intentions. If you're intentions are to leave the room BECAUSE of the ads, thats piracy, That's obvious. Imagine a world where everyone just got up and left as soon as advertisements played. This means that click through rates would heavily tank. Advertisers will only pay if their ads get clicked on but if everyone turns off the computer as soon as an ad plays advertisers would never pay for ads and your favorite content creators won't get a single ad deal ever again. If this becomes rampant enough, youtube wouldn't exist as a platform as youtube is only funded by ads.
To make an analogy, let's say you and I make a deal where I send you a product and I'll send you a check to fill out to pay for the product as soon as it arrives at your door step. You get the product, you see the check, but you throw the check in the trash. Did you just steal from me?
@@Jankyito the difference is
1) watching an ad is not a financial transaction, unlike a check or bank transfer
2) you don't sign a legally binding contract whereby you must glue your eyes to the screen whenever an ad plays. The advertiser is paying for an ad to be served, not for it to be guaranteed to be watched by someone, just like they can't force you to not doze off during the ad, obviously the hope is that some people will watch the ad but that's a gamble, and one the advertiser has to take
@justalonelypoteto
1) financial transactions have nothing to do with this, it was just an example. Transactions can still occur without actual money so your point here doesn't make sense.
2) Actually, you do. It's called TOS. Any company has the right to deny you any service when you don't follow their rules. It's the contract you sign by using their service. Also you're just wrong. Companies buy ad space in order to advertise their products. If people are leaving the room while ads play, advertisers will simply stop buying ads and youtube will cease to exist. Do you think advertisers will buy ads if everyone has ad block? If everyone leaves the room? Obviously not. You could argue not everyone is going to be doing this, but you have to contend with the fact that in your world everyone could do it and nothing old be wrong with that. Your world basically leads to internet where everything is subscription based because it is impossible to.make money through ads anymore.
I've installed various tools because I started hearing "THIS VIDEO IS SPONSORED BY BLABLABLABLA" in my nightmares. And no, Linus, that can't even be disabled by buying a premium. There's too many ads and this just keeps me sane.
Theres a browser extension that skips over in video ads.
I just press the right arrow on my keyboard however many times I need to. Usually 3-4 in a Linus video.
the length and timing is regular enough that if you press your arrow key 2 times you'll be right into the intro
@@aronseptianto8142 try it, it’s convenient. Some people have ads beginning middle and end of a video
@@apocalypseap the right key gets you a five second skip, but L gets you 10 seconds. You can hit that fewer times.
If you don't block ads you can end up downloading malware and getting scammed. The entire ads system is broken! That is way I block all ads.
i have tinnitus and hearing damage, most youtube ads intentionally have extreme sound whether it be real loud harsh, or both. also the disgusting clickbait human waste ads that include earwax other fluids etc, are disgusting . i do not want to see it, i did not consent to see it. these adds physically hurt my ears and make me want to vomit. i should be suing THEM for this. jump scare adds are traumatic as well. they very intentionally try to get inside your brain.
Indeed. Suffering from nerve deafness, I frequently have to turn up the volume to hear voices, especially if there is background noise in my house. Between music that people can't seem to figure out how to equalize and ads that are turned up to 11, I refuse to take the risk.
This is also the reason I haven't watched network TV in years. Well, one of the reasons, but a good one nonetheless.
Wow YT ads sound worse than I remember, I've been blocking since roughly day 1 of the og AdBlock before it got sold out and moved onto alternatives that weren't corporate shilled - They're not even ads at this point, it's just random channels pushing the shittiest edits out or straight up 10 minutes of raw gaming footage of GTA V - it makes no sense
@@Sigurther Explosions are loud and voices are quiet I’m guessing.
I have a theory on that, it seems to have only started a few years ago.
If you don’t have surround sound turn off 5.1 sound. I bought a Sonos Beam sound bar specifically for its voice enhancement. Pretty good.
When advertising became a vector for malware, adblockers became a necessity to use. Until the advertisers clean house on their ad networks, the adblockers will remain in place. If anything I should be charging for the amount of bandwidth the advertisers eat into and for the damages that they incur with the malware that they let run unchecked on their networks.
Do TH-cam ads give malware ?
@@nathanjora7627yup there are a lot of fake gta 5 on phone type of stuff and fake mr beast scam giveaways
A lot of adds on youtube served for me were scams. When scams started showing up I started using add blocker.
The US government literally recommends ad block
@@nathanjora7627 Given the choice between testing them all under lab conditions or blocking them from MY computer, I choose the second. Trust is for the naive.
What Linus misunderstands is that ads are not simply transactional.
Ads actively attempt to influence our thinking and and decisions.
Ads waste our time.
Ads distract us.
Ads track us and sell our data.
Ads introduce security risks.
The list goes on. It is unreasonable to expect other people to endure all that.
It's a poor model all around.
an internet inherited from tv network, so it's a very old busines model.
each very old business model is doomed to end one day or another.
why cant we bring them up on stalking charges? they pursue us stealthily.
harass or persecute us with unwanted and obsessive attention. these tech companies are creeps.
Linus is a pompous idiot. He's 100% wrong about equating ads with piracy.
"this will make you c@m in two seconds" (actual ad)
Films are weird. On the one hand they have traditionally occupied a different market, one that is indeed transactional, and that would indeed be piracy if torrented. However, one could easily *justify* this piracy by their inclusion of these ads. You already paid for the movie with your money, you shouldn't have to pay again with your time.
All this assumes however, that the movie market still exists as it did decades ago. It does not. In this era of high speed internet and streaming services, movies are just as immaterial as any other content that can be found on the internet. Whether you go to the theater, purchase a disc, or stream it, you end up paying for the *form* in which you watch the movie, not the movie itself. The internet has made the movie immaterial and of unlimited supply, as it always does. An argument could be made then, that Torrenting movies is not piracy because what is actually for sale is a particular watching experience, one that you merely chose not to have.
Personally I would take it further still. When someone torrents a film they have already chosen not to purchase it. With the myriad options for convenient entertainment these days, I posit it would be unlikely that said person would change their mind if torrents weren't available. By allowing them to view it for free, they may be interested in secondary merchandise, sequels, or other films from that producer. Even if the chance of them buying in the future is low, it keeps them in the market. It also allows them to engage with the film by word of mouth and social media, actively increasing the film producers market size and relevance. As far as I can see, the free sharing of movies online is only good for producers in this current environment. I don't think I could label it as "Piracy".
Linus also said he didn't sell the Copper CPU he was supposed to give back, but "Auctioned it off". I don't take what he says for granted
The number one reason why I installed an ad blocker on my computer was because of the midroll ads. Period.
I don't mind the ads before or after the video, or sponsored segments in a video, but the midroll ads piss me off to no end. They almost without fail cut off a video mid-sentence, and even sometimes mid-word.
Secondly, TH-cam demonetizes videos of many content creators I watch on a regular basis. I don't want to see ads on my video if the video I'm watching doesn't get the money, and TH-cam takes it anyway.
For me the reason I installed ad block was when I used youtube to listen to music playlists while working and I kept getting one or several adds between each song. Whenever I start using a new device I start without addblock but after a few hours or days I always end up installing it due to how annoying they are.
The reason why I use a 2 stage adblock mechanism is to have a safer, faster and more efficient browsing experience. Ad servers are like all you can eat buffets for malware distribution. Don't tell me those servers are all malware free. I highly doubt it. It's feast for malicious people and organizations...
The adpocalypse was actually the reason why I started blocking ads. Before that, I just suffered through the ads even though they were becoming more and more obnoxious as time went on, but I believed that I was supporting my favorite creators that way.
After TH-cam practically weaponized ad revenue I installed AdBlock and never looked back.
@@ThePC007 Oh, I did that long before that and wasn't affected anymore.
@3:07 Louis you are selling yourself short. Your content is NOT garbage. Viewers want _authentic_ people -- people who aren't afraid to speak their mind and call a spade a spade. You represent the honest struggles of a working man. THAT is why you are popular. As long you never betray people's trust - by selling out -- your content (and rants) will be successful because they are _interesting_ and _honest._
This.
That's exactly why he is surprised i guess - honest unpolished non-idealized person *usually* tend to be less popular and make less money in public attraction work. That's just how lessons of history tells us. On the other side *this days* people can stream their thought in interned without hard censor of wealth holders (to some extent). And same time - people that want to watch other people with same thoughts and opinion, now are not locked on filtered content that magazines and tv used to lock us back in a days. Thus ppl like we are that like honest ppl like Rossman can watch his content and enjoy it. And I"m clearly happy about (and i can watch it uninterrupted by ads thx to adblock and vanced yes)
The reason your videos are popular is because you speak to the troubles of everyone including the working man and you're not a sellout, and everyone is just sick and tired of all these mega corporations crap, they're tired of government and corporate censorship and overreach and everyone who works an honest living in a blue collar job that I've talked to in the last few years 100% believes that there will be a armed violent uprising in the US in the next year or two over this stuff if it doesn't change quickly
Products and services are becoming more expensive with less quality, big corporations are trying to squeeze more money out of us well also keeping wages the same, the government is trying to pass more and more laws and regulations and rules that hurt the non-billionaire type people, All well pushing the world closer and closer to the brink of nuclear Armageddon
And it's not just here in the US, other countries are going through similar instances, look at what's happening in Ireland, France etc.
When Louis talked about how a single person watching an ad is work 1/10th of a penny I couldn't help but think about how that means wasting a minute of someone's life is worth next to nothing. At scale that's 16.6 hours of people's lives for a 1 minute commercial seen by 1,000 people and this waste of time pays next to nothing.
I haven't thought it that way but you're absolutely right - though I didn't double-check the math :D
Ads affect peoples purchase habits. For most without them realizing it. So it's not for nothing, it's to improve sales for those products. And it works.
You still have the option of premium if you think your time is worth $10/month. It's not like ads are the only option here.
@@kalleguld I think $10/mo is a ripoff. If all I'm doing is replacing ad revenue, I'll do $10/yr.
@@kalleguld Ad blockers are free.
Free > $10 a month to the corporation who created the intrusive advertising problem in the first place
It's not piracy and downloading movies, etc. isn't theft. You have to actually deprive someone of something tangible for that to be true.
The piracy occurs when Google convinces the idiots buying the ADS that people watch and care. Anything that shows up on my phone as an AD goes on a big FU list.
Why do you hate ads. I don’t mean why do you hate watching ads, because that makes sense, no sane person would like to watch ads, i am referring to the idea of ads. A lot of ads are trash(monile game ads), but some just tell you about a product you might be interested.
isn't that false advertising?
@@polarmata7433 depends, let’s take the “99% of people can’t do this very easy thing” type of ad. They could hire a bunch of idiots and just 1 in 100 can do the level, they could say it’s not false advertising. It’s the same way the toothpaste commercials work. Now the question is do they actually hire a company to do the testing and come up with that number? Ofc not, no body cares, so yeah it is false advertising, but it could be real advertising but it still a shitty ad.
if ads didn't work, they wouldn't exist
@@mateilicaret2904 The only ads that have ever convinced me to buy something are ads for food or drinks, i.e. something that's only a few dollars. And generally only ads advertising a deal, at that.
Last time a commercial/ad convinced me for anything else was when I was a child, lol.
This is my favourite angry man in chair channel on youtube! The internet is unusable without adblock (and some kind of noscript plugin). Linus probably has either the resources or the influence to encourage someone who can make a stealthy adblock, or a plugin that plays all the ads on a different muted window.
I think I'm not alone when I say if I see an unskippable ad/anti-adblock pop-up I rather close the tab and find something else to do.
Even if I see the ad, there is absolutely zero chance that they will advertise something that I would actually buy or even click on the ad... Idk but this google spy system could not figure out my taste even after almost a decade of listening to every word I have said. (I mentioned strawberry jam once and I got jam ads for a week, I just asked my GF to pass me the jar...)
I'm fairly certain I've seen AdBlock on their pcs in videos
@@Nightl3lade Linus even have a long video about how to set up a Raspberry Pi hardware adblock on your network...
@@sandornemeth5388 yeah I remember seeing that video. I get what he is saying, but I just don't agree.
My issue with youtube (and Twitch) lately is that even though I'm paying for the ad-free service, my adblock is still picking up over 100 ad sources. Sure some of these might be false positives, but that still leaves a big chunk of my bandwidth being used on these opaque ads and tracking networks. Now I know I'm only paying "15 bucks to no see ad" but is it wrong to expect them to stop trying to double-dip taking my money and continuing to deliver my viewing habits to third parties? I sure hope they're not still flagging me as an adblock user and demonetizing my views because I don't think that would be fair at all.
I have currently 5 tabs open.. and my adblocker is reporting 126k blocked sources.... it's truly a plague.
They don’t care about fair, the whole point of ads is that they get to force them down your throat
And that's why I block scripts by default in my browser, until whitelisted.
It is makes the web much faster and accessible
What you are picking up, might not be ads but trackers, since they can be embedded basically into any button or image or anything really
We're talking about a company that is being sued for location history snooping when the individual has declined such tracking. A thief complaining about a "pirate" is pretty damn funny
Piracy is to redistribute copyrighted works as I understand it. So linus is wrong regardless.
The INSANE thing was that the RIAA acted like piracy was a HUGE loss of sales. Anyone I knew that downloaded music would NEVER have bought the CD for one song, we were in middle school and highschool, we had almost no money. To act like every download was a LOSS is ridiculous.
The EU did (and then tried to hide) a study on piracy and found it was a good sales motivator more than anything else. Gee, its almost like if someone can try out your product and make an informed decision, they’re more likely to buy it.
Riaa wasn't getting their cut. It's a mafia shake down. The artists were LUCKY if they made 10 cents on the dollar. A lot of em were screwed and made nothing (or worse).
Artists only make real money at shows and from merchandise. It's your duty to pirate it.
It's worse than that. They got to make up whatever "worth" they were losing. The whole problem is imaginary.
@@havenbastion their logic probably was something like "ok so this album was downloaded 10,000 times, meaning that we lost 10,000 sales, and each sale is 15 bucks, so in total we lost 150k".
QED: It's only because of Kazaa and Limewire that I now own physical copies of my favorite bands' entire discographies.
I honestly don't care if it is, I'll continue defeating advertech because it makes the UX of the modern web terrible.
Piracy isn't bad
@@joeykeilholz925 you wouldn't steal a car
???!
(i also pirate)
@@oqocraft2661 You wouldn't steal a policeman's hat, would you?
@@PerrenialMillennial i would they kinda drippy
@@monkey.moments8272 fuck this made me laugh
Well, on the one hand, ad blockers help you (re)find the content on a website, and on the other hand, they protect you from malware.
Ad blockers were not developed because people don't want to begrudge the other side their advertising revenue, but as self-defense against everything the online advertising industry distributes and enables via its networks. Intrusive ads, trackers, distributing malware and ignoring privacy settings. As long as the irresponsible and criminal business behavior of the online advertising industry does not change fundamentally, one should not have any remorse to protect / defend oneself with the help of an ad blocker. - Quite the opposite! They started the war! Not us!
Ad blockers protect you from malware better than any of the bloated anti-malware software like Norton and McAfee, which i think ironically adblockers block ads for McAfee and Norton.
@@barnett25 th-cam.com/video/0k-zyYXHr4I/w-d-xo.html
Don't forget that ads contribute to tracking your actions even without your direct input. Time viewed and cursor position alone are recorded without your input and without the majority of people's knowledge. There is also ZERO consent to perform this tracking on a moment-by-moment basis, even if the platform says use entails acceptance; the issue is that the platform is PUBLIC, so you get tracked even if you don't create an account and thereby agree to the terms of service.
Ad blockers are also legitimate privacy tools, ones that help individuals retain the value of their tracking data for themselves. Not using a blocker is akin to giving away your personal data for free and without compensation... or in other words having your valuable usage data stolen from you. Ad blockers are neccesary for most users.
@@barnett25 I don't even think we're really hurting the creators. We're just not helping as much as someone who watches but doesn't block ads. It's not just watch with vs. without ads, there's also watch vs. not watch. That's also true with actual digital 'piracy' - not every pirated download would've ever been a purchase.
And then there's the cpr, which if i understand correctly, is heavily influenced by engagement. So if you leave dis/likes, subs, comments, you help increase the cpr which leads to the views with ads being worth more. And i think that the public view counter on a video does include plays without ads, in which case you'd also contribute to momentum.
The way i see it, having an adblocker is like a visible "no tolerance for ads" button on your jacket. Some sites do react to it by asking or even insisting to take it off. Others don't. TH-cam has never ever complained about my adblocker.
I remember the olden days of advertisements where a lot of obnoxiously bright, flashy, loud, and/or obtrusive. Those ads still exist and in large quantities. Many youtube ads are *that* bad
I can't afford any of the crap that they advertise so it ONLY exists to waste my time. There really needs to be an argument for people like me. There's no reason to show me ads and it's not like they don't have enough data of mine to know that so they're not tailoring their ads to save themselves money but that wastes my life so why should their money be worth more than my time on this Earth?
Adblock is a necessity at this point, the amount of ads that are forced onto users is disgusting and companies are always finding new ways of implementing more. Everything about it sickens me and I can't tolerate it anymore
always were! I will not use any web browser with adblockers, a someone on youtube winging about adblockers just sounds dumb! Oh no! you uploaded to a public website and...sigh. RLY linus! REEELY. Addblock and ublock is so nescosary because -leaches- adverts saturate everything, to much of everything IMO.
Yeah since there is many questionable harmful ads out there. Be it tricking you to click something or being outright harmful. It does come off as someone wagging their figure, to call you a bad person and put your device's safely at risk so they can make a few more cents. Since well if I get a spyware or something on my device. I am the one who has to remove it or replace any parts that get damaged. Long as anything bad that happens to my device comes out of my pocket. I am going to take all the basic steps needed to protect it. Which honestly after thinking about this some more. It seems like this shouldn't that big of a deal for these who have a large viewer base. Since they can always make money by selling stuff like t shirts or the like, that or get people to donate money to support them. That and well ads like mid roll ads can ruin the experience by stopping the middle during a big action fight, rather than when it fading to black during a break in the action.
And the maleware ads
And the content of ads.
I can't watch a video because of "age restrictions" but youtube is quite happy to literally post adverts that are just thumbnails of tits. Thank fuck I found Vanced.
@@_Hal9000 That is what drove me to ad block and noscript. I kept getting those fake antivirus things that autoinstall from ads on legit sites (one time from the LA Times......) After the third one that also uninstalled malewarebytes by itself I went ad/script block and never went back.
Glad the whole implied contract thing was covered, because my absolute first thought was that this entire argument necessitates that someone should have to actually sit down and watch the ad in order to not be a pirate. If blocking the ad is piracy because Linus doesn't get paid his 1% of a single cent for the view, which is his argument, then not paying attention to ads when they're played is also piracy because you aren't paying the advertiser with your attention. You have stolen their time and effort by refusing to pay attention. The problem with this whole idea that it's piracy is that there never was an implied contract, and even the advertisers know this. They don't expect every instance of an ad showing to gain the attention of their target. In their finances, they're building in an expectation of some level of waste. This isn't true for just YT or TV ads, either. This is true for literally every ad everywhere, and that short article covers the fact that advertisers know this and it has always been their burden to gain your attention and not our burden to pay them with our attention.
I think sponsored content should also be considered here. If a video contains sponsored content it shouldn't contain ads I think.
@@kolgax2064 Yep. Advertising has gotten so bad that Sponsorblock was invented.
Late to the talk, but that 1% of a cent likely already considers the lack of attention that ads get. Since buying ad slots NEEDS to be cheaper than the money it brings down the line (and ads being awfully effective at that), then every single ad needs to provide as little money as possible.
I WOULD argue that the monetization from ads WOULD be larger (heh... 2% of a cent? wow doubled the numbers) if spectators paid more attention, because there are lower losses and companies would find a way to monetize more. But that is an argument I would only make if companies worked in the people's best interest and the market worked perfectly, which neither do.
@@NothingXemnas which is probably why ads in cinemas are more expensive, bc people are way more likely to pay attention
I was not using an adblocker on youtube for a while until they introduced mid-roll ads. This was driving me nuts.
The reason people use adblockers is because of invasive ads, not because of the ads themselves.
For real. The mid ads are SO stupid. I will forever use an adblocker until they aren't intrusive and I don't see that anytime soon.
I have seen some slow moving videos that were ad inserted to the MAX (most likely by the creator) and every time I move around the video I get served an ad. After 3 of those I clicked off and watch something else.
Totally agree.
I downloaded an ad blocker because of this very reason. Not only does it pause the video it also fuck up my phone if I'm using data.
@@kei2142 Actually my understanding is that a couple of years ago TH-cam sent an email to creators saying they were going to be adding midroll ads to run by default on all videos over a certain length and telling creators they could opt out of this change. Then they just did it to everyone even the people who opted out, some of whom were really annoyed about it and paid members of their staff to go back and remove all those extra ads. I believe the maximum number of ads that can be on a video are a 5 second unskippable ad followed by a longer skippable one at the beginning, a midroll ad every 90 seconds, then end ads similar to the ads at the start.
Calling ad blocker use piracy is like saying if you drive by a billboard without looking at it, you're stealing. Utterly absurd. I love Linus, but the fact that he feels entitled to our eyeballs and attention is deluded and insulting. Sorry Linus, if you want to be paid for your content, put it behind a paywall. You don't get to publish it to a public space, then complain that the public views it without paying you money. That is the cost of choosing to publicize it. You can't have it both ways.
You almost has the point with the VCR. Back in the early 1980's - the TV stations, the producers, the MPAA had a legal moan over the fact you could record and time-shift TV. Ended up at court at a Copyright claim. They actually claimed that the fast-forward feature broke the law by allowing you to skip adverts.
The court didn't agree. This whole thing has been tried before - even before Linus existed.
Adblockers could play the advert - silently - hidden away in a null screen - so the data is all buggered up.
Didn't Mr. Rogers legit show up and defend people using VCRs to record his show?
I guess you also think its fair that Edward Snowden has to live out the rest of his live in exile than too ? , the law said so !, I guess its moral now, you're making a legal argument where there was none
@@munjee2 well if we wanna use this angle, Snowden insists that people should never browse the internet in any capacity without an AdBlock because the majority of ads silently deliver some form of malware or spyware these days. Ad space has become so polluted by bad actors that it is full stop a security risk to not use adblock; even Google has hosted such ads and had ad-based security breaches at a few points in the past decade.
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 I specifically used this example for this reason, I have problem with people use adblock, I have a problem with he argument of settling moral arguments with the law
@@munjee2 Invalid comparison logical fallacy. Don't bother replying since I won't respond.
Every Linus video is already an ad to begin with. He has multiple sponsors every video. Don’t even use Adblock but Linus complaining makes me want to
Didn't we all try to be fair and not use ad blocking?
What did we get? Pop up ads, unusable interfaces, bloated websites that have 8 pages to scroll and 2 of the pages is actual content and tons of bad practices by advertisers and content providers.
The cat and mouse game goes on and on. Consumers pay for all of it. You pay for metered ISP connection, subscriptions to services, paywall after paywall, microtransactions everywhere, apps for basic website functionality that are literall spyware, operating systems that use our privacy to exploit our habits and whole bag of other things with right to repair our stuff included.
What is next? Direct charge to bank accounts when you load a page?
Piracy is one of those forces that helps them provide a fair service. If there was no pushback, they would be charging you to watch the ads as well.
Don't forget malware / virus injection via the ad networks that can damage / steal your data, set up another malware service node, and /or damage your operating system/network.
If the sites and Linus are willing to imdemnify us for damages, then people might reconsider their stance to protect themselves.
Let's go even further. We didn't use ad blockers on TH-cam, fine, let them 2 loud AF ADs play during the video. But then greedy content creators went and did in-video ADs that they can plug during their video. Do you think they are ads for good products that their audiences would love? Heck no. It's overpriced and crap manscapping items, shitty mobile games and VPNs that are borderline spyware. So yeah F-em, AdBlock all the day. Some content creators even do 2 in-video ADs. Talk about being greedy...
ps: And then you have good channels that just advertise their merch and any company promo they have are for products they actually use. For example car channels, like Goonzquad, they only take sposorhips for tools that they use repairing the cars so you actually see them being used!
the thing is that YT is free to access... the video arent restricted to access.
its my own computer that i can legally choose what i download on it. since YT is putting the ad separately from the video i can choose myself not to download the ad. people never signed a contract saying they must watch each ads before watching a video on youtube.
Two things:
First, I lived through the "golden age" of advertising on the internet, the Futurama AOL scene is real, very real
I also have made a good living removing ad related malware from computers, so I can tell you all about the dark side
I've removed them all, XP Antivirus, TDSS by hand, Soluto, you name it, I've seen it.
second, the last time I turned off my adblocker, the ads were longer than the video I wanted to watch
so, my response to Linus is No, NO, #$% NO, and other words to that effect
Ads today aren't just invasive with tracking, they're downright obnoxious. I've never, not once, in 20 years, bought something from an ad on a site. I've long detached whatever mechanism ads are supposed to trigger. If I want something, I go looking for it. By the time google even catches a hint that I want it, it's already inbound. Besides, with all the nonsense pushed in advertising today, they'd likely just make me mad.
Pretty much. Ad-blocker stays on. If I want to support some YT creator, I check if they have any other means of support like Patreon or Floatplane or Nebula or whatever. Merch if in EU, not paying 25% VAT they put of every little thing. I didn't like Flash ads, I really do not see a reason I'd (or anyone) willingly accept this shitfest that are ads these days. Ask nicely and have image-only ads (banner ads) and I might whitelist, especially if there is no paid option.
@@airbornefilip9139 Not to mention the scumbags that hide malware in ads, or ads that link you to some really shady parts of the Internet. Way back in the day before I knew any better I ran into ads that literally put my PC in blue screen of death mode. It's just too risky these days to not have an adblocker of some kind. Screw that, ublock origin and noscript stay on permanently for me.
My adblocker was accidentally turned off while I was migrating all my browser data to a new computer and I was overwhelmed by feelings like I had malware on my computer. "This shit is NORMAL?", I thought to myself. That 25 percent of users using adblock would be 99.99 percent of people using adblock if most people knew the better experience they would have. There are always those people that think adblocker is bad, and I say that they can go suck on Google's balls for their daily sustenance, I wouldn't be using their site or positively engaging the community in any way if I couldn't block their borderline-malware ads.
Merch and patreon make way more than adsense for literally everyone who doesn't have an exclusive deal with Google (which is almost everyone on youtube), I can see why Linus is so upset that he's being denied a percentage of whatever contract he signed with Google and the big advertisers that sponsor his videos.
Aww... Remember the good old Sasser and Blaster worms? Those were always fun to help customers fix through simply talking through the phone (before the age of easy remote-desktopping)... Talking customers through booting W98/Vista in msdos or safe mode, reading registry values, spelling out PIDs and alphanumeric process and service names through the phone... Aww, good old times.
When you get served 3 sets of ads in a 10 minute video, I can understand why people use ad blockers. Especially when some of their cookies contain malware.
...Or when the ad is longer than the video!
Exactly, now a days having an ad blocker is the first line of defense against maliciousness out there. When you have ads that open 2 more ads after you close the first ad, or have gigantic invisible i-frames so no matter where you click on the screen you get redirected to some shady website there's no chance people won't use adblocker to combat it, or hide a process in the backround that uses your system to mine crypto.
Ad block is nearly as important as antivirus.
Linus is just mad because his videos are unwatchable without a sponsor blocking ad blocker. I mean half of any given video of his is a sponsor spot. I couldn't imagine not using a regular adblocker
My opinion is the same with both piracy and using adblockers: go right ahead. As mentioned in the video, distributing other peoples' content is a different matter, but if somebody is offering you something they have for free, you're under no moral obligation to refuse just because someone else would rather charge you money for it. And just because a creator really wants you to give an advertiser your time to thank them for the content they're giving away for free, that doesn't mean you have to oblige.
So changing channels on TV when there is an add is piracy?
What do they call it when the cable TV providers started running commercials. It wasn't supposed to have them.
Or pressing the mute button on every commercial break during a sporting event.
If I blink during the commercial I am committing piracy. Once fore each time I blink and once fore each eye.
Ads these days make websites unusable in alot of cases.
Not to mention the intrusive demands for cookies.
and the performance. some sites are basically unusable
without ad blocker I wouldn't be watching TH-cam it is 80% ads 15% content 5% personally sponsored messages (surf shark, manscape..)
Jesus, you surely werent online in early days of popular internet where most of quality content was nightmare due to audio, popup, flashing etc ads. Things actually calmed down a lot before it got worse again.
Tracking on the other hand is new and the real problem of the internet.
@@TintorDalibor Linus be like: "if you disable the tracking and the spying you are a pirate!"
TH-cam is absolutely unwatchable without ad-blocking. I despise the rank crass commercialism of it all, loathe being hustled. My conscience is clear on this matter.
I am one of those people that consider ads a war against my brain. I think you have the moral right to do what you want with those ads.
But in the case of youtube you have the option of paying for yt premium.
Same. I also find the notion of paying TH-cam so I don't have to watch ads completely repugnant!
Indeed! TH-cam adding ads before the video is what drove me back to ad-blockers after a period without them.
@@LinusBerglund With YT Premium you pay to unlock features and only *one* of them is watching ad-free videos. Another feature is using YT in PiP mode, for which, just like AdBlock, there already is a free browser extension and it is made by *Google* themselves, so... Even Google is sending us mixed signals regarding their own services! 🤣🤦♂️
TH-cam is presented to the user as free. Entering the circus is not. Case closed.
The morale of this story is that Linus is almost never right
Unless it's Linus Torvalds
I don't think he's necessarily wrong. The way you pay for your TH-cam content is to watch ads. Getting around that payment is hopping on your pirate ship.
I think Linus's perspective is misrepresented a bit. Linus has said many times he's personally pirated many things. When you consider that his view on piracy is that it's not a user issue but a distribution issue, this take isn't really what people are representing it as.
@@69nitesYou are fundamentally wrong on your argument because you do NOT have to pay to use TH-cam. It isn't a paid service. It's not Netflix or something equivalent. It is like TV. You don't have to pay to watch TV (cable would equate to Netflix) and you're not a pirate when you switch channels on your TV during commercials.
@@_Fernando.single digit IQ argument.
TH-cam with ads is not a paid service.
TH-cam with ads is a paid service. This service is called TH-cam premium. If you're blocking ads you're pirating TH-cam premium.
Linus is a grifting piece of trash.
If I choose to run an adblocker, advertisers should be grateful. Now *I've* done them the favor of eliminating the chance that their terrible ads will ruin my perception of their product. I can't tell you how much more likely it is for me to see an ad and think "Damn, never going to buy that" as compared to seeing an ad and actually wanting the product.
Agreed. I think a lot more people should make a habit of not buying obnoxiously-advertized shit out of principle.
@@Observer29830 Yea, in my local area there are 2 different companies providing doordash like service. One of them blasted ads that I saw on youtube mobile. Guess which i use now. The one which ads i have not seen yet.
@@Observer29830 especially anything related to security or privacy, lastpass, express vpn, all of those things are completely in my no buy section, if you have that many people promoting it I'm sorry but I can't trust you, I have never and almost certainly will ever see a advertisement for TOR and things like that which adds to my trust
Im reminded of the meme "if your advisting interrupts my video ..... it just makes me hate your product :) "
@@jaagup My general rule of thumb is, if there is an ad for it on the internet I know not to buy it.
I was a long time hold-out on adblockers. The internet got so infested with ads, that I found myself constantly complaining that I had to sift through pages to find the info I was looking for... So I finally caved in.
What once was acceptable, and sometimes even fun, became an abuse...
Especially when ads interrupt what someone is saying.
The internet got worse so I got more defensive. It's that simple really.
Same here. I was fine with pre-roll ads, even the odd pop up in the middle I could close wasnt too bad, but when they started putting unskippable ads every couple of minutes it made some videos unbearable to watch so I caved. I had Premium for a while, but its grossly overpriced compared to how much money they make from ads. If they halved the price I'd happily turn off adblock again, but no way its worth paying as much as Netflix just to remove ads.
Worth noting, I only use Adblock TH-cam, I do not block ads elsewhere except on a few select sites that had a habit of hosting malicious ads. Although sites that force auto-play videos are teetering on the edge and anyone who has an ISP with a monthly cap I totally understand why they would. If advertisers (and sites that plaster multiple ads all over the page) had an ounce of respect for the end user, we wouldn't be at this point.
Indeed. If a legit website can be clean with good behavior ads that doesn't interrupt me, go ahead. Yet when they started getting aggressive and intrusive, I'm sorry I'm not taking any of it.
Ads are a plague to the internet, and that's why adblock and piracy are a thing. Not because people are out to get creators, but because big corporations are out to get the average person, and probably infect their computer with viruses if they don't have an ad blocker.
If creators want money, they can ask for donations from people who genuinely care. They're just greedy like LTT.
He's kind of a shill anyway, so this isn't surprising.
When you publish something on the internet and allow people to access it without requiring them to pay up front then it's not piracy. It would be like saying a person is committing piracy for watching a street performers act and then walking away without giving a donation.
This comment needs to be on top. This is a more accurate analogy with regards to TH-cam than the Cirque du Soleil one. That one is more like Netflix.
This, if you publish on a public website, without the direct paywall up front, it is free to watch. So content published 15 years ago when youtube didnt support ads or income based content is piracy? Nah its not. Downloading a TH-cam video, uploading it as your own, now thats piracy.
@@VKdViKingDark Also the fact that the internet as a whole is a free space within legal law limits, like any public space is. Internet users can freely use adblockers and cookie blockers, just like how companies can impose ads and tracking cookies (of which many actually are illegal by law, but that's another topic lol). Them making a domain freely accessible on the internet with no imposed restrictions to people's rights of adblockers, is like a festival turning up on a public square and expecting people to first look at all their ad banners before listening to the music being played right in public. Just doesn't work like that. If they want to demand people's undevoted attention to ads, then they must make it so you can't enter their public domain without legally consenting.
@@Real_MisterSir You're willingly going on TH-cam with an account that has a ToS. Stop making baseless analogies and acknowledge that it's privacy.
The requirement is the ads. You being able to block them doesn't make it ok. A person leaving their door open doesn't mean you can all of a sudden steal freely.
When ads are, in broad terms, hacking my computer (they're essentially spyware, accessing and transmitting my private data without authorization; and in fact, violating the terms for accessing my computer specified by the Do Not Track header the browser sends), I feel totally justified in protecting myself against them.
that and being highly inappropriate for any public situation, viewer under 18, or work environment on sites that should not have any connection to such adds as they are places you could reasonably go for many reason, like the news, or wiki's... i mean imagine a 5th grader doing research for some project for school.
heck just to be sure i am being reasonable i turned it off, im currently on rather public wifi, and did a few searches for something i researched when i was in 5th grade for a cardboard box presentation, and while its better then i recall (seemingly due to an Olympic scandal/ all the other events and stuff, and maybe covid) i still saw two things i would feel fit the inappropriate category... within three searches... thats wrong.
This is an appropriate arguement.
You argument falls apart and is inconsistent when you decide to block ALL ads vs specific websites and/or just bad ads.
For example: TH-cam in terms of data/tracking is already agreed upon by making an account and accepting the terms before watching yet I bet you still run adblock and endorse running it on TH-cam.
@@nobodyshomeuk Things like that fake disabling of the location tracking on Android phones situation shows you can't trust Google to be honest; taking precautions is justified.
@@tiagotiagot not sure what location tracking on Android has to do with blocking ads on a website and adblock does nothing to protect your location from Google so it's useless point to make here. Atleast try to engage with a single point I made 🤷♂️
Ad blocking today is a *necessity,* given how ad infested the entire internet is. I'll never find video ads that interrupt the content, or putting ads into my phone "acceptable", and I won't be bullied by ads into paying for premium, just to get treated like a normal person.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but explain to me - how should TH-cam make money without ads to finance their servers? Sponsors? Or paid subscriptions? How much would you pay for access to TH-cam? Would you prefer to pay per video, per watch time, or a flat-fee per month?
@@KYSMO They already kinda did with their monthly subscription to remove ads. Also "content creators" have the ability to choose the form of ads to display, the fact that they choose non skippable videos or full screen video ads because they make them more cents is greedy in its own way.
Going to the bathroom during a commercial is piracy.
Not blindly giving huge companies money for no reason, and getting around their BS, IS PIRACY!!1!!11!! /s
@@KYSMO you mean Alphabet, trillion dollar company, owned TH-cam? Gee, I'll cry for them at night...poor ol' trillionares they really need me to disable AdBlock 😅😂
The primary attack vector for viruses these days is the ad feeds...
I got into adblocking a long long time ago for completely legitimate reasons. I don't mind commercials, I grew up in an era where the TV shows stopped every 10 minutes to run them, hell I get nostalgic for the old commercials I watched as a kid. The problem is that the Internet opened up a whole new laboratory for advertisers to experiment with all kinds of sketchy behavior. At one time if you weren't running an adblocker, you with 100% certainty, had a computer infected with multiple types of malware. That was the final straw. Even if they aren't doing it anymore (they definitely still are), that trust is completely gone and they will never get it back. I feel for the creators, but I'm never going to risk turning the thing off again.
yeah, there's some parts of the internet were you have to be a masoquist to go without an adblock, it feels like the ads absorbs the soul of your computer in exchange for the access to the content hosted there
Even on youtube, those ads are still rather invasive with the tracking cookies. I'd hate see how bad Facebook is without adblock
Perhaps that was more true in the past but today, I think youre highly unlikely to get malware with a properly patched and updated computer while practicing best safety procedures (usually boils down to don't be dumb).
@@josephlck "basic safety procedures" are what exactly?
What is dumb is subjective and what *should* be safe isn't always.
This... This right here... Spyware in the form of cookies and harvesting your online data is why I run ad blockers and try to limit all forms of tracking and data gathering of my online browsing activities.
Blocking a service or website that serves ads is not piracy. It filtering traffic.
spot on
Correct! Everything else is confusing me.. 😵
I don’t know, what if someone makes a short film etc… that has taken a lot of work.
@@looksinfectious9642 then they can upload it to a platform that has a more profitable monetization model- not join a free access platform and complain that people will use it for free.
Denying someone revenue in exchange for a service provided, in order to filter traffic, is piracy.
Sick! So for every TH-camr I watch, If i just buy 1 or 2 merch pieces or support them through their preferred means when I start earning, I could just outweigh everytime I ever watched their videos with an adblock and ever will.
I'll keep his in my mind.
Imagine *NOT* downloading something and having it called piracy 🤡
I still remember the time where ads where just ads "small banners non-intrusive" where you didn't need to use adblockers to go to a website or see some youtube video without breaks.
If you think that adblocker is some kind of piracy, I'm sorry but your mind is a bit numb.. somewhere along the way we let this shift happened and now is the norm.. but no, it is not the norm and this predatory behavior is just getting worse.
Right? Nowadays it seems like the screen has to bounce around as all the ads load, then reload as new ones take over, making reading pages impossible at times. Or where the ads will follow the screen making it so the text is unreadable
from my internet experience since ~2002, those god damn pop-up ads that where showing up on every god damned site gave birth to adblockers and after that, people realized that having an un-intrusive ad in a corner of the screen is 10x better that some shit that pops up every two seconds. I guess we have came a full circle.
I was a pirate before ad blocker was ever a thing. I still have no shame about it.
Abast ye landlubbers!! I be sailin the high seas of piracy since 2006!
1999 and still sailing the seven deadly webs
Aye ye rememberant of the days of the pirate bay....yarrr
I've been a pirate since the 80's, and the Apple IIe I had back then. Zero moral issues with it.
Been pirating since High school...over 20 years...If its worth it, I pay for it. Run adblocker, vpn, and other software so nosy mfs can mind there business.
Adblockers are just what I have to use to keep my internet experience sane and tolerable. You can call it piracy, but that's just making it sound cooler than it actually is.
The day I cannot remove or skip TH-cam ads, is the day I stop using TH-cam.
that's ridiculous
Use youtube premium if you love youtube and dont want to be a pirate
@@deivytrajan So give more money to evil Google?
@@deivytrajan Not that simple. Sure, it rids videos of TH-cam's own ads, but hypocrites like LTT embed their own ads into their videos, so even though they're getting money from me via Premium, they ALSO get a second dip from their privately contracted ad partners.
ALL embeded ad containing videos should have to include timecodes so youtube can skip them for Premium subscribers.
@@deivytrajan We are under no obligation to watch ads, I don't see any reason as to why I have to purchase TH-cam premium.
Also, it makes me wonder if they are making the ads more intrusive on purpose to incentivise more TH-cam premiums.
Fuck that