It depends on the game. Most of the franchise didn't have esports in mind at the start, like quake cs scbw dota. But a lot of the biggest / best esports games had it from the start, like sc2 csgo lol
Things have changed since Stacraft 2, esports grew big (outside of korea ofc) and now it's clearly something you have to take into consideration as it's part of many games (multiplayer oriented, and competitive). Also, mass internet did change a lot of stuff in this industry in general.
@@ianescher1798 their were literaly no big esports back when Starcraft 2 was out. In fact, it's SC2 that made eSports such a big thing (outside of korea). It's pretty obvious why devs now take that into consideration. Before SC2, esports was on a very small scale (well, again, outside of korea ofc). SC2 was developped with Esports in mind. Not the same way we do it now, but they took it into consideration just because...they knew how big Brood War was in korea. And they remember about their own history, on how wrong it went with Kespa. They wanted to avoid that situation again (probably because they wanted to benefit from esports and be part of it). So....saying SC2 wasn't developed with esports in mind is not true.
@@Frodonsake24 sorry if I wasn't very clear in my comment. I'm indeed saying that games like sc2 csgo or lol had esports in mind from the start haha I totally agree with your comment
I hope we will have a clear starting point for this game that esports (grassroots or not) can use as a beginning. By starting point I mostly mean that all factions have acces to T1/T2/T3 units, that all units are fully painted and animated.
T3 isnt in the game. I think thats whats the point is - to not start esports until the content of the game is done. Afaik tier 3 units are not in EA release
Esports is marketing. This is Frost Giant's best way to promote the game, and it's logical for a game dev in 2024 to think about competitions on a game designed to be competitive.
i'm worried for stormgate, the beta felt like an early alpha, and now they're going into early release. They are focusing on too much at once. I hope they prove me wrong though
What you think an alpha is, is what a beta actually is. A beta is not feature complete like the fake preorder betas for things like CoD. Also early access doesn't mean it stops being a beta.
I like that they have a concrete plan instead of wasting the early hype and scrambling towards a bad event. If the game doesnt take off the esport doesnt matter anyway so better be prepared. I hope they talk w Esports World Cup and/or the rumored Esports Olympics so they can secure some nice external esports funding
I really like Frost Giant's approach to eSports, plan for the best by putting the framework in with a couple of big tournies, some regional brackets, a korean comp, and a grassroots "in game" tournament system. Then the company stands back and see what happens. If it's successful, great! The basic framework is already there. If it fails, then they've not really invested a huge amount (not like an Overwatch League)
well it great to have that option. i hope they improve on the optics bc i wont watch a game that looks worse than warcraft 3. im willing to be hooked but i have my standards.
@@eggnog52 im watching broodwar all the time. I grew up with that. Im not top much focused on optics myself, but that canvas annoys the hell out of me. I can Imagine this can be improved easily
It is not at all ready for an eSports title, let alone a good one. If they push to have esport scene this year, that's gonna kill off all the first impression. The last early access was already poorly received, they gonna do the same thing for their esports scene?
History has not been kind to past games that put esports as a pre-launch focus. Storm gate has a level of grassroots support that I think many others lacked, though, so who knows.
This is clearly not their main focus and nothing comparable to Overwatch. We don't even know how much money they do invest on esports. To me it sounds like they're looking at parteners without having to spend all the cash themselves. Its part of the marketting of the game, and their goal always has been to create a long term, game as a service, product. It's not a coincidence if they did talk about that in korea, where the esports market is way more developed and you can find partners and sponsorship. I mean, so far,, from what we have seen, they clearly have a pretty well thought, long terme plan, without taking too much risk (other than, trying to make a big RTS is kinda of risk in it of itself).
people will complain about anything. independent tournaments are already being successfuly held, yet people want to claim that frost giant is somehow wrong in embracing the idea, as if everything they've worked on in the past wasn't a successful esport. it is a post hoc/historian fallacy to claim that because some companies have failed in the past by focusing on esports (as if that is somehow the only cause for a company/game to fail lol), that frost giant is doomed to the same fate. unfortunately for pretty much everyone making these claims, they are ill-informed.
The RTS space needs fresh new blood on the table. An industry ran by a bunch of old, tired but experienced devs alone won't cut it. Frost Giant is made up of ex-Blizzard employees.
Not sure what happened here but don't sell out to Tencent sort of companies for funding. These companies are hyper profit centric and will turn games into soulless husks of a product.
I think FG is approaching esports in a healthy way: not trying to prop up a league, but supporting the tournaments that do exist. Normally I would say it's too early to be looking into funding esports, but with SG being seen somewhat as a spiritual SC3, there will inevitably be interest in a competitive scene early on. Whether or not it has staying power isn't a sure thing, but an early scene feels like a sure enough thing that it seems worth planning for it.
Nobody is forcing anything as far as we know. All they've revealed are vague announcements on championship and regionals. This can take many forms, and probably it is going to involve the community to a high degree, since that was their stance since the very beginning.
@@markoliimatainen2565these games were never firstly intended for competition. Dota-mod from warcraft Lol-easier Dota for players who can't handle Dota, in a way a copy cat Cod- revolutionized the fps genre with amazing campaigns and fun casual multiplayer Counter strike- everyone played with bots at the start, it was a childhood game for fun and casual lobbies All these games were made during the times when esport was barely even a thing and the only esport that made money was starcraft. The esport followed the games not the other way around. How young are you?
So far I'm throughtly enjoying pro matches in this game, the fact it isn't well balanced makes for pretty fun matches. Currently is probably the most broken siege units are gonna be.
I have confidence they will. They seem to be taking constructive feedback from the playerbase. This game has lots of potential, and I deeply hate Blizzard so much that I really, really want Stormgate to succeed. Did I mention that I despise Blizzard?
Imagine going up to a painter and complaining that he used pencil and only has random blotches of paint on the canvas. Why bother criticizing the art when the game isn't even close to done?
@@Bagginsess ok so if it will be relise in 1 year I will say you're right but it's 1 month to relise right? . And what dev say that they are focusing on esport right now?
Back when FGS formed they were the only kid on the block... but now with AoM:R, Battle Aces, Tempest Rising and ZeroSpace looking decent and coming soon, they have to step up their game.
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I miss the times when devs wanted to make good games that just happened to become esports later.
It depends on the game. Most of the franchise didn't have esports in mind at the start, like quake cs scbw dota. But a lot of the biggest / best esports games had it from the start, like sc2 csgo lol
Things have changed since Stacraft 2, esports grew big (outside of korea ofc) and now it's clearly something you have to take into consideration as it's part of many games (multiplayer oriented, and competitive). Also, mass internet did change a lot of stuff in this industry in general.
@@ianescher1798 their were literaly no big esports back when Starcraft 2 was out. In fact, it's SC2 that made eSports such a big thing (outside of korea). It's pretty obvious why devs now take that into consideration. Before SC2, esports was on a very small scale (well, again, outside of korea ofc). SC2 was developped with Esports in mind. Not the same way we do it now, but they took it into consideration just because...they knew how big Brood War was in korea. And they remember about their own history, on how wrong it went with Kespa. They wanted to avoid that situation again (probably because they wanted to benefit from esports and be part of it). So....saying SC2 wasn't developed with esports in mind is not true.
@@Frodonsake24 sorry if I wasn't very clear in my comment. I'm indeed saying that games like sc2 csgo or lol had esports in mind from the start haha
I totally agree with your comment
Esports are the most overrated thing in modern gaming
I hope we will have a clear starting point for this game that esports (grassroots or not) can use as a beginning. By starting point I mostly mean that all factions have acces to T1/T2/T3 units, that all units are fully painted and animated.
To the new player, having access to all T1/T2/T3 units at the start is overwhelming
T3 isnt in the game. I think thats whats the point is - to not start esports until the content of the game is done. Afaik tier 3 units are not in EA release
It's already confirmed that some T3 units will be in the game at EA launch.
Esports is marketing. This is Frost Giant's best way to promote the game, and it's logical for a game dev in 2024 to think about competitions on a game designed to be competitive.
I played RTS as a kid in the 90s and i watched the last 14 years of GSL ect and never played a single game of Starcraft. I watch it like footy :)
That's awesome man
Thanks for providing us all the SG news and infos in this precise and concise format.
Thanks for watching!
i'm worried for stormgate, the beta felt like an early alpha, and now they're going into early release. They are focusing on too much at once. I hope they prove me wrong though
What you think an alpha is, is what a beta actually is. A beta is not feature complete like the fake preorder betas for things like CoD. Also early access doesn't mean it stops being a beta.
I like that they have a concrete plan instead of wasting the early hype and scrambling towards a bad event. If the game doesnt take off the esport doesnt matter anyway so better be prepared. I hope they talk w Esports World Cup and/or the rumored Esports Olympics so they can secure some nice external esports funding
COMPLETE THE STORY GAME FIRST
The first wave of missions is literally coming out before their regional leagues in 2025.
Stormgate for Esports in South Korea is a good logic step. I hope Korean players will make this game to shine and show us its deepness and potential
I really like Frost Giant's approach to eSports, plan for the best by putting the framework in with a couple of big tournies, some regional brackets, a korean comp, and a grassroots "in game" tournament system. Then the company stands back and see what happens. If it's successful, great! The basic framework is already there. If it fails, then they've not really invested a huge amount (not like an Overwatch League)
Your channel is excellent sorce of news
The haters are seething on this one. Go find a different game if you don't want comp 😂
@@allanshpeley4284 reddit tier bait post.
well it great to have that option. i hope they improve on the optics bc i wont watch a game that looks worse than warcraft 3. im willing to be hooked but i have my standards.
Personally, graphics don't matter to me, it's core gameplay that makes it interesting.
@@eggnog52sure buddy. Tf2 one of the most fun games in the market is garbage to spectate a player play
@@lordlopikong6940 I don't think TF2 is fun at all.
@@eggnog52same it’s a cheaters ces pool so.
@@eggnog52 im watching broodwar all the time. I grew up with that. Im not top much focused on optics myself, but that canvas annoys the hell out of me. I can Imagine this can be improved easily
It is not at all ready for an eSports title, let alone a good one. If they push to have esport scene this year, that's gonna kill off all the first impression.
The last early access was already poorly received, they gonna do the same thing for their esports scene?
History has not been kind to past games that put esports as a pre-launch focus. Storm gate has a level of grassroots support that I think many others lacked, though, so who knows.
This is clearly not their main focus and nothing comparable to Overwatch. We don't even know how much money they do invest on esports. To me it sounds like they're looking at parteners without having to spend all the cash themselves. Its part of the marketting of the game, and their goal always has been to create a long term, game as a service, product. It's not a coincidence if they did talk about that in korea, where the esports market is way more developed and you can find partners and sponsorship. I mean, so far,, from what we have seen, they clearly have a pretty well thought, long terme plan, without taking too much risk (other than, trying to make a big RTS is kinda of risk in it of itself).
They want an equal focus on campaign/story, coop, versus/comp, and custom games.
Adico is awesome !!
Cool that the lore is based on real life artifacts and stuff
I watch a lot more RTS than I play RTS. I might get on an rts game once every month but I watch RTS videos dayly
people will complain about anything. independent tournaments are already being successfuly held, yet people want to claim that frost giant is somehow wrong in embracing the idea, as if everything they've worked on in the past wasn't a successful esport. it is a post hoc/historian fallacy to claim that because some companies have failed in the past by focusing on esports (as if that is somehow the only cause for a company/game to fail lol), that frost giant is doomed to the same fate. unfortunately for pretty much everyone making these claims, they are ill-informed.
The RTS space needs fresh new blood on the table. An industry ran by a bunch of old, tired but experienced devs alone won't cut it. Frost Giant is made up of ex-Blizzard employees.
I mean, we literally have proof that majority games that aimed for e-sports failed.
I still want this RTS to succeed. It's too early to judge at this stage.
@@allanshpeley4284 well said. watching a game of battle aces is far more exciting. this game is going to fall flat.
Not sure what happened here but don't sell out to Tencent sort of companies for funding. These companies are hyper profit centric and will turn games into soulless husks of a product.
I think FG is approaching esports in a healthy way: not trying to prop up a league, but supporting the tournaments that do exist. Normally I would say it's too early to be looking into funding esports, but with SG being seen somewhat as a spiritual SC3, there will inevitably be interest in a competitive scene early on. Whether or not it has staying power isn't a sure thing, but an early scene feels like a sure enough thing that it seems worth planning for it.
"Forcing" your game to become esports has been proven the best way to lose huge money very quickly
Nobody is forcing anything as far as we know. All they've revealed are vague announcements on championship and regionals. This can take many forms, and probably it is going to involve the community to a high degree, since that was their stance since the very beginning.
Agree, Dota 2, LOL, CoD, CS GO were all massive flops.
@@markoliimatainen2565 🤣
@@markoliimatainen2565these games were never firstly intended for competition.
Dota-mod from warcraft
Lol-easier Dota for players who can't handle Dota, in a way a copy cat
Cod- revolutionized the fps genre with amazing campaigns and fun casual multiplayer
Counter strike- everyone played with bots at the start, it was a childhood game for fun and casual lobbies
All these games were made during the times when esport was barely even a thing and the only esport that made money was starcraft. The esport followed the games not the other way around. How young are you?
@@markoliimatainen2565 Dota2, LOL, CS, COD all build on years of competitive scene. You can't give a worse example than these titles.
So far I'm throughtly enjoying pro matches in this game, the fact it isn't well balanced makes for pretty fun matches. Currently is probably the most broken siege units are gonna be.
Esports really is shit
I think you should have a feature complete game first before pushing E-Sports. Like your tier 3 roster. Also, boring ass visuals.
They need to fix the damn sounds before thinking about other stuff, this game is unfineshed is not even funny
You are aware it was closed beta right
I have confidence they will. They seem to be taking constructive feedback from the playerbase. This game has lots of potential, and I deeply hate Blizzard so much that I really, really want Stormgate to succeed. Did I mention that I despise Blizzard?
@@user-iu6sd8su3eI agree with you but there are some celestial sound affects that effect me spiritually 😢😂
Imagine going up to a painter and complaining that he used pencil and only has random blotches of paint on the canvas. Why bother criticizing the art when the game isn't even close to done?
@@Bagginsess ok so if it will be relise in 1 year I will say you're right but it's 1 month to relise right? . And what dev say that they are focusing on esport right now?
Now this is a massive indication that stormgate will fail.
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Back when FGS formed they were the only kid on the block... but now with AoM:R, Battle Aces, Tempest Rising and ZeroSpace looking decent and coming soon, they have to step up their game.