Emps: "Fuck, their worship of me is basically the only thing holding humanity together. I might have to roll with it, regardless of how much I hate it."
@@darkhighwayman1757 man! That damn tension hurts so good. I like to think he had benevolent intent so I see through that lens. Sure wonder at some of his moves though.
The Emperor has always been willing to allow the ends to justify the means. His taking on the role of a god in order to perpetuate human existence is well within his character and does nothing to contradict his belief in the imperial truth. In another 50k years, humans might be able to relax a bit so that the Emp can facilitate less god nonsense, but that is a good problem to have. He can't re-establish the Emp truth if there are no more humans.
Big E punished Lorgar for worshipping him as a God, his book is the basis for the current belief, does that absolve Lorgar after the fact? Like Big E going to Lorgar, and saying I guess you were correct, just 10,000 years early.
@@ONI_LONI A Fedora Wearing Incel Redditor. Don't forget, he had to clone not only his children, but all his buddies too. Well, except Malcador. Malcador was his Heterosexual Life-mate. His Brother from another mother.
Based on what he said, I think the Emperor had a vision that he needed to be on the Throne and play the role of a God. Until the return of a Primarch or Primarchs to finally step out of the shadows and start fixing the Imperium. If he acted alone without a mortal champion he probably saw the Chaos Gods would have stopped him.
They need to make stories on what the primarchs are up too because what ever missions there on have to be important for them to have abandoned the Imperium the way some did
I thought the reaction of Inquisitor Crowl when accidentally entering the throne room was very interesting. The only words he uttered we're "Oh my..." if I remember correctly and then he was nicely asked by a custodes to leave if he wants to keep his life. It seems like the experience did something with him even when he didn't see that much except for some rain and rainbow I think. Not even he as an Inguisitor was allowed to come much closer.
I imagine at this point the throne room is just as beautiful and terrifying as the other domains of the warp like khorne and slaanesh. And that normal people will just keel over from trying to comprehend its very nature
Or your hair just turns white, like the founding members of the Adepta Sororitas. I wonder if all the Custodians have white hair under their helmets... Damn Kitten refusing to take his helmet off
I remember one description of the cavernous, ornately decorated Throne Room, where the ceiling is so high that something like clouds can be seen in the upper reaches of the darkness above.
perhaps like a nuclear reactor, maybe the emperor's throne itself is inside an isolated room surrounded by another room in which you can look into it separated by a transparent glass like material. allowing it for people to "meet" with the emperor from a distance but would be in fatal danger if they ever went inside the core room.
I don't think it's like that, but all the people that go in are "special" like the founding nunz with gunz, the banana boiz and high ranking cyborg priests. Not some random guardsmen.
My personal head canon that No one has entered the throne room since the heresy. The Emperor has the ability to seamlessly plant the memory of entering into the mind of anyone who thinks they have.
Yep emp becoming a god will be a 10 year story if not longer with ever increasing shit storms hitting the imperium. The they will reset the map as he becomes a god to continue the never ending war.
@@thephoenix8722 Considering how much they rushed the return of Guilliman and the fall of Cadia 10 months is more like it. Think of it like GW, why wait 10 years to sell more Primarch models when you can sell them now?
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 and screw up long term earnings and emptying their box of ideas in one go? nah i believe the story will move on but slowly as they are building more and more on to the dark millenium under girlyman and then make a leap again like they did with the heresy vesus the siege
To me, the throne room looks like the basement scene from "Home Allone". He has nothing of the throne rooms that we e.g. know from Rome or London. It is more of a mixture of a boiler room and an emergency room. The innumerable pipes, cables and lines are for the most part still as they were at the end of the Heresy, it had to be done quickly, they are lying around haphazardly, purposefully, arranging them in some aesthetic way, there was no time for that. With the countless machines, it looks no different off, they are probably as huge as LA or NY, if you look between the devices and lines you can perhaps find traces of the armies that fought on the webway. The lighting is functional, probably not even that for normal people, because tech priests and custodes have superior senses, what might light up the throne room are the displays of the machines, or a cable that has been burned out forever, but nobody knows how to replace it, so there have been sparks for thousands of years. It smells of lubricants, blown technology and medicinal products, and rotting meat. In addition to tech priests and custodes, you only hear the screams of the psykers that are consumed so that the empire can continue to exist for another day. What illuminates this darkness and horror is the tremendous energy emanating from the Emperor, but this is not a beautiful light, a mighty human corpse where one cannot see where the machines and lines stop and the human being begins. It looks like an old coal heater that lights up the huge dark cellar a little with its flame.
“Not a nice place” sums up the Imperium pretty well, not just the throne room in the dungeons of the Imperial Palace. Even before His internment upon the golden throne, the energies of that place were overwhelming (according to The Master of Mankind). On top of that, the Custodes codex says the companions can only bear to stand guard (in their full armor) for a few days at a time before they have to be swapped out so they can recover. Now, Alicia Dominica & the other Daughters of the Emperor who were taken to see Him during the reign of Goge Vandire obviously survived intact (aside from having the truth revealed to them), so the few seconds thing is probably an overstatement. Now the issue of the Emperor’s divinity has, to me, always been that he is on par with the ruinous powers. The Imperial Truth & the Webway Project were intended to deny the ruinous powers the sustenance they need to survive & insulate humanity from their influence until such time as humanity had fully evolved into a psychic race. His denial of being divine during Unification & the Great Crusade stemmed from the fact that He’s seen exactly how religions get corrupted & perverted time & time again. Now whether He’s become more active because the Cicatrix Maledictum has opened & greatly increased the amount of background psychic energy available or because now his Primarchs are coming back into the fold we’ll have to wait & see. The Adepta Sororitas have existed for centuries and with His (implied blessing) since the Age of Apostasy. Their current role in the Indomitus Crusade may have as much to do with their Faith in Him as it does with Roboute Guilliman being a pragmatist. The Emperor has always been a plans-within-plans kind of guy. The delicious irony for me is that Lorgar ultimately got his wish of the Emperor deified (& based on his original texts no less), but only after he’d thrown in with Chaos. Now it’s going to bite XVII in the ass when the Imperium becomes resurgent as his brothers return over the next couple editions.
@@AlyssMa7rin Well, being in the presence of a psyker that at this point could legitimately be described as a god might have a physical effect even on a primarch. As others have said, warp fuckery.
The whole reason the emperor didnt want humans to worship him as a god, or anything as a god, is because he knew of chaos before all of humanity. So when the heresy happened he kinda knew his plan went to hell, kinda literally. Then after a few thousand years of torture and watching humanity suffering and degrading, but seeing them actually happy when they worship him and the hope he gives them. That's what I think changed his mind, i also think hes also started the process of becoming a god and realized it might be the way to protecting humanity. So I think once he finally finds a way to repair the web ways, hes going to finally "die" and ascend to easier fight chaos and keep them trapped and stopping them from entering the "real realm". It be nice to see him come back in flesh and blood, and become a god, I just dont see that happening. I think he ends up more like the "good" eldar gods who appears in the form of a god and not his fleshy self, and it's not permanent. He only stays for short periods and he official becomes the god of humans.
the major concern of the emperor is the fate of humans; beyond death it is hell for everybody .what kind of fate the emperor as a god can give to humans ? some kind of paradise?
@@mawithewese it's not hell, it's just another plain of existence. It seems like hell to humans who aren't aligned to one of the chaos Gods, but to the ones who live there it's more like heaven. So, yes, he could help humans by creating a space there to directly fight chaos. By stopping chaos at the starting point, how could they have time to invade the real realm? Plus, he could make it a paradise for humans where they can fight for the emperor for all eternity against the chaos Gods. During the Horus heresy the chaos Gods actually got a little worried about the emperor and paid attention to him specifically, and even worked together for a little bit (meaning they didnt fight eachother) to try and kill the emperor. They were worried when he was human, imagine whatd happen if he became a God. Plus hes actually still helping humanity now all while trying to keep the web way working, and permanently set it up for safe use. Hes also being tortured every second for 10 thousand years, and he still finds time to watch all humanity and even lend his power to chosen ones to give hope and help them. Imagine what he could do with even more power. I think becoming a God is his only option to protect and provide the best offensive against humanity's enemies.
@@bleach8888 to be quick your answer is the name of he god emperor is odin and his paradise is Walhalla where you fight and drink to the end of times.it fit very well for nazis from outerspace :)
This makes sense. To become a "god", is a triumph of the result of the original crusade, as it proves the faith of mankind erases the boundaries and limits of the species. The necessity for it is unfortunate, but reveals humanity's destiny is not bookended by titles or concepts like godhood. The tragedy that would pain the Emperor is that mankind has denied itself destiny out of lack of faith in THEMSELVES for all this time. That they would continue to do so for 10,000 years in spite of being instructed, would probably be a little annoying upon his return. The lesson, imo, wouldn't be that the Emperor himself is perfect, but that the possibilities of mankind's achievements are without limit in the face of reality and that Chaos as given the imperium far too much trouble considering...
It would be priceless if in the moment before Emps gets Godhood, Uriah appears to him and the two start discussing about faith once more, with the Priest smiling and constantly saying "told you so" and make Emp realise that no matter if Religion is extinguished, Faith will always remain, as it's innate in the human soul. Also would be cool if Uriah literally talk with Emps in a psychic projection if the Last Church of Terra
"Now do you see my Emperor? You can try to extinguish faith, but it will never leave the human heart. For it is what inspire hope even when things are seemingly hopeless. Faith brings unity for where there is none. Our race would have been doomed had they given up on believing you." -how i would imagine Uriah meeting the Emperor again.
@@thecommentguy9380 and even before that, maybe a scene of the Emperor, fractured and just after the Heresy (I do believe that the Warp time logics apply even to souls, somehow), with an increasing and deafening cacophony of prayers to him that increases as seconds/millenias passes, as well as the laughter of the Chaos Gods, before literally screaming for that to stop, and then finding himself in tge inside of Uriah's church, like 10.000 years ago, and Uriah welcoming him. I immagine Uriah as a good guy who observed from afar and in a relatively calm isle in the Warp, where he created a sanctum for those still good souls to rest before returning to the storm. Hell, immagine if Uriah even met the souls of primarchs such as Ferrus, Vulkan (tho briefly, as he just rested a moment before returning to live) and for any reason even the good side of some of the traitor primarchs. In this case, Uriah would still preach about faith, but no more for any gods, given where he is now... however, he would have faith in the Emperor, with the same words you used, showing Emps that despite been wrong, he was right in creating a greater faith, and that he should accept it, as not only humanity is stranded in all the galaxy, but because he will be the last hope for his people.
I feel there will be resentment from the loyalist legions and even hatred from the Word Bearers for putting them on the path they are on lmao. The Emperor's a goof.
Plot twist: the "traitor" legions are doing exactly as the Emperor designed them. It's a long con, but in the end this ensures that even the Warp itself believes in Mankind :-)
What if the reason the chaos gods fear him is that they foresaw him ascending to godhood in order to destroy them and purge the warp of all deities so his imperial truth can be realized
**spoilers** was a great interview - i agree the emperor never wanted to be a god - but in the outcast dead he plays regicide in the dreamscape with a character in which he says the only way to win sometimes is to stop your opponent from winning - meaning he knew he was going to die etc and that the only way for mankind to stand a chance was for him to accept the fates to come and play the long game - i believe strongly the imperial truth was his gambit at teaching all that no matter what claims to be a god it can be killed/destroyed with time and resources - which is why the heresy happened earlier than he expected - but he knows now without any leadership religion is the only pillar to keep mankind from chaos - as stagnation prevents the lust for knowledge and we all know what happens when we go seeking knowledge aye? lorgar - magnus jsut a couple of examples lol
Considering the nature of the Warp, and the Emperor, I can't help but wonder if people see what they expect to see in the throne room instead of what's actually there: a highly devout Imperial will see a brilliant, glowing skeleton an a literal golden throne, while a techpriest sent to maintain the throne might see faulty wires hooked up to a zombie, kept together through the near-magical efforts of ancient machinery.
@@captainvalourous6668 Too late, cousin! Do you not see that our enemy's perfidity knows no bounds!? Its a trap! Nevermore, I say... Strike them not where you hope to win, strike them where they bleed! Forget the Iron Cage, sever their escape to the warp like they severed the escape of my brethen from treason! *Increased anguished berb noises*
He spent humanity's early years founding religions. The secular Imperial Truth may only have been the strategy he found most expedient for his mission at the time.
This right here. I'm convinced he knew long ago that he would need to be worshipped as a god. He also knew that trying to force worship of him wouldn't work. It seems easier to first ELIMINATE all faith, then allow the vacuum to fill. However he first had to create the desire and fanaticism of faith to get the eventual levels of worship he would need tens upon tens of millenia later.
@@darkhighwayman1757 well there was that one book where a piece of his armor was made into a bolt round and it allowed the emperor to move it to kill a greater deamon
We know what the Emperor looks like. In Master if Mankind, a Sister of Silence (a blank) mentions (in thought) of looking at the emperor on The Golden Throne, not as others saw him, but as he truly was: a frail old man, eyes closed and mouth agape in suffering exertion to command The Throne.
@@antaliciousww Yes, they do. Corax also saw him as a normal man when he first met him. He didn't understand why everyone around him went to their knees with tears in their eyes. When he asked why they were acting like that, he said: "occupational hazard"
Yeah like that's more important than anything in this video, it basicaly confirms that the emperor is still immortal, and that he chooses to stay on the throne rather than actualy needing it
@@bloodangel19 he HAS to stay on the throne to power the astronomicon and keep the tides of chaos in the rip in space in the dungeons away. Even if he could, or even wanted to walk amongst them again he could not, as the entire imperium and possibly galaxy would fall to chaos.
@@serbronnoftheblackwater798 yeah but he isn't obligated to do that. If he felt like it he could just say fuck yall and let everybody die, he would resurect
Remember when the lights went out for a bit and the astronomicom stopped working? I think that was the break he needed to get to the point where he could actually regenerate, and that's why we see him taking part more now
Dan was speaking of normal people when he mentioned death within a few seconds; Custodes come out of the throne with blackened armor and even Guilliman stated that it was like conversing with a star. Any normal man or women would probably die near instantly... if not for the psyker barrier preventing the unwanted from entering.
I think you've left out a big part of Dans interview and that's the part where he says the Emperor is a perpetual and is dying and resurrecting upon the golden throne, that in itself is a big talking point.
@@kelman727 But is that 100% cannon now, or is that just what he wants everyone to see and to be honest where exactly have you read that from? The corpse emperor is only a slur spouted by traitors to the imperium
I think the Emperor probably realized that there's no way he could ever actually abolish religion or stop people from worshipping him. Because of his very nature and power he's gonna have people worshipping him
Just remember, Never Trust ADB, he tried to non canonize the Blood Ravens being related to the Thousand Sons and then threw a hissy fit when he was reminded it was indeed canon.
1. There is no hard Canon. 2. It was, to the best of my knowledge, never definitively stated they were. Just implied by deceitful characters and hinted at elsewhere.
The silent sisters were the only ones I thought that have seen the Emperor's true form. Whereas everytime me that looked upon the Emperor saw some majestic golden being. The silent sisters only saw what seemed to be an ordinary man.
I was waiting for the one reaction I most focused on. The emperor is constantly dying and being reborn. I watched the Abnett interview when it came out, and that was the point I thought I would hear the most about. The connotations of him being constantly reborn as he holds the warp at bay is truly grimdark.
The only reason the wars across the galaxy have gone on as long as they have is because The Emporer was effectively dethroned by the council of terra. His seat on the golden throne is voluntary; the blood sacrifices to heal the psychic wound he suffered in his battle against horus during the horus heresy, and he chose to not heal himself as punishment to the Council of terra. These past 10,000 years of war are but a product of the ineptitude and inadequacy of the council at ruling the inperium. The Council of Terra was a worse ruler than one single man, a fact he will expose as he acends once more to rule. He is the only emporer capable of leading humanity out of these wars. The only reason humanity survived is because of his rule, and the sheer luck that they've experienced in the past 10,000 years. With the necrons on the rise, the warp tear far from closing, and who knows how many Tyranid hive fleets on the way, and the technological development of the imperium stagnating for 10,000 years or more, the only way humanity can pull through is if The Emporer awakes once again, and takes charge of the situation, ending the wars and this age of darkness once and for all.
I think it was in "The Emperor's Legion" where one of the Custodes is asked if he wants to join the Companions. It's then shown that the Companion's armour is scorched completely black from the energies roiling around the Emperor at all times. It's probably traumatic on every level of physical and metaphysical that we can imagine. I imagine it like a big Tesla coil inside a nuclear reactor, sharing a very thin wall with the hell of the warp.
I hope the lesson isn’t “people need god to deal with the hardships of life”. It’s a really common apologetic I have been hearing a lot lately. I really hope it’s more dynamic than that. I want a grand plan where the emp decides to become a god for real and but because the imperium is such a horrible place he just ends up joining the great game as another god, one whose realm is of order, law, death, power, faith, and subjugation.
@@AdriusFrostglare you say that, but when authors write books they cant help but put their world view into them, and people maybe be effected subconsciously and will always try to look for meaning in the work as well. this is just part of all writing imo. its impossible to write a good book that says nothing, i guess. im sure the authors know this.
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Robute would be absolutely livid if Emps declared himself a god. His legion razing Monarchia because they worshipped the Emperor as a god is a large part of what started the Heresy, so just imagine the Emperor now turning around and saying that Lorgar was right all along?
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My thoughts on it are: Its like having cancer, pretending you dont have it doesn't make it less real, it is what has happened to him he is a god also accepting it as what is happening and not being ok with its not exclusive to each other they can both exist, him embracing the godhood as a useful tool to further help humanity is pretty on brand for the Big E to me at least also
I like the idea of "The Emperor" as a formless, empathic entity, manifesting itself in the way most convenient at the time. It's a nice middle ground between "the emperor is an inhuman powerhungy asshole" and the "dadperor" view
That very first picture of the Emperor at the start of the video... every time I see that white square where the pommel is I can't help but think the artist forgot to put any artwork there!
When it comes to returning Primarchs and their reactions, I would say the Lion's would be one of the few I could guess. The Lion is a practical being, seeking what is effective and exploiting it to his advantage as seen when he kills Brother-Redemptor Nemiel; who tries to stop the Librarians upon the Invincible Reason from using their powers to fight the daemons despite them being the most effective weapon since it violates the Edict of Nikaea. Seemingly breaking with the Emperor's Word in order to survive the battle that is happening all around him, which could be an analogue to the Emperor and religion/Imperial Cult from rising. He would be furious at the Imperium around him and would make his way to Terra to see the Emperor, where he would ask the reason for the changes he has seen. If the Emperor told him that he had to let the Cult spread in order to unite Humanity without His direct presence then the Lion would accept it for the tool that the Cult is in the grand strategy.
I can definitely imagine emp's body strung up into some HR Geiger-esque machine, somewhat resembling the inside of one of those Tokamak fusion reactors. Burnt sterile with the sheer radiation and soul fire that the throne would kick out. But perhaps He holds back the light with his psychic strength to allow his servants to enter and perform maintenance... poor Guilliman seeing Him like a corpse just caught up in the gears of the mountain-sized astronomican apparatus.
At 21:48 in that interview, notice that Dan Abnett doesn't say "Horus", he says "The living Avatar of Chaos". Possible confirmation that Horus is completely subsumed by Chaos at that point, or even better, that it'll be Sanguinius given over to a Chaos Empowered Black Rage who defeats Horus and then turns on the Emperor? :D
Ive always suspected he gave into the rage after killing horus and emp didnt want to kill him hence why he got beaten up as at that point emp wouldnt of held back on horus after all the shit he did. But sang out of his mind i can see emp doing anything not to kill him.
The Emperor planned it all. It was all part of his plan to become a god and shepherd the Human Race through to the goal he designed. He knew the primarchs would be scattered, and allowed it to happen. When Horus had his vision/memory while suffering on Isstvan, he saw the Emperor held back and allowed the primarchs to be scattered. Erda said something similar in a recent book. Scattering the primarchs allowed them to be exposed to Chaos, making the heresy inevitable. That was the crucible that would lead to his apotheosis, abeit 10,000 years delayed. Good things require effort. He laid plans for events that were unlikely (like the primarch creche deep underneath the palace, houses that would never have owners) to cover all possibilities. He laid plans for events that were very likely and made sure he had people in place to cover them (Malcador is key here). His foresight helped him see the possibilities and weight them, and he planned for so many eventualities that when it came down to it, his biggest problem was working out which plan had to be foremost. His regicide game against Malcador helped him there. Removing all the old religions reset the Human Race's beliefs to a null state, ready for something to come in and essentially claim the belief of an entire race. Chaos started to see that and acted, but the Emperor was ready and started manifesting his power to protect the faithful, which helped spread the seed of his religion. The real question is whether the Emperor in 30K was aware of all of this or not. Was the Emperor of 40K, the God-Emperor of mankind the one pulling the strings, or was the 30K Emperor in control. I think the former - the later Emperor is acting backwards through time to manipulate his earlier self, who was dimly aware that he was going to become a god.
Everything I've ever read about Big E has him depicted as having black hair and eyes and brown/tan skin. Where do you get blue eyes from? Anyway, he can change his appearance at will so his colours are not really relevant.
Tbh, after the revelations of our* beloved Alpharius novel, i can totally see him (big e) getting on-board w the god train to win the ultimate goal of the epic long game. He doesn’t do it because he wants to. He does it because of all of the remaining future threads of humanity coming out on top at the end, he has to take the “god” role to make it happen. He definitely has to play with the hand that he has, because he’s not going to just fold and lose. That is not his way. He would most definitely fight to the bitter end. The winners make the rules after all... *maybe imperial truth 2.0 will be easier next time around...**
I love these lines in Primarchs: Lion El'Johnson Lord of the First p.10 ebook ed. "Lion El'Jonson had never seen his father's face.... ...To the Lion, the Emperor appeared as a hooded figure, armoured in emerald plate, inscrutable with gilt and filigree and shrouded in robes of gold, wreathed in obscuring light. Everything his brothers described was a mask. Only the Lion beheld the truth."
Tzeentch: B-but, YoU CaNt dO ThAt
Emperor: Just as...
Tzeentch: NoOo DONTYOUDARE
Emperor: Planned.
Titsnitch: NooOooOoOooOoOOo
intensifies
i read it in the tts voices. oh i long for a new episode
Logar: HA! I knew it!
Trazyn: oohhhh....steal the Emperor? I'm game!
Since no one wanted to let the starchild die so that he could be reborn, that is a logical adaptation on his part.
Emps: "Fuck, their worship of me is basically the only thing holding humanity together. I might have to roll with it, regardless of how much I hate it."
That is what I'm thinking.
Agreed on that notion. Interesting irony.
Or was that the long end goal to begin with
@@darkhighwayman1757 man! That damn tension hurts so good. I like to think he had benevolent intent so I see through that lens. Sure wonder at some of his moves though.
The Emperor has always been willing to allow the ends to justify the means. His taking on the role of a god in order to perpetuate human existence is well within his character and does nothing to contradict his belief in the imperial truth. In another 50k years, humans might be able to relax a bit so that the Emp can facilitate less god nonsense, but that is a good problem to have. He can't re-establish the Emp truth if there are no more humans.
Emp waking up: " Is it 50k yet?
Servant: "No, it's 42k."
Emp: "Fuck off then."
Administratum Official: We're honestly not sure what year it is, sir.
Witcher 3 reference!
Describing the Throne room badly: A man being denied respawn by griefing teammates.
Dan Abnett confirmed he is a perpetual state of dying and reincarnation.
He specifically said that there is no canon on that subject and that it’s more or less just a theory on his part.
@@MrDarthtelos ok but its metal af and therefore I think of it as hard canon
That hit me like a car in the dark
"The emperor never wanted to become a god" Well, in the grim dark setting of 40K that is the perfect reason to become one.
Big E punished Lorgar for worshipping him as a God, his book is the basis for the current belief, does that absolve Lorgar after the fact? Like Big E going to Lorgar, and saying I guess you were correct, just 10,000 years early.
Can't believe the Emperor was a fedora-wearing redditor.
@@ONI_LONI wow you couldn't be more right
@@ONI_LONI A Fedora Wearing Incel Redditor.
Don't forget, he had to clone not only his children, but all his buddies too.
Well, except Malcador.
Malcador was his Heterosexual Life-mate.
His Brother from another mother.
"I never asked for this"
Based on what he said, I think the Emperor had a vision that he needed to be on the Throne and play the role of a God. Until the return of a Primarch or Primarchs to finally step out of the shadows and start fixing the Imperium. If he acted alone without a mortal champion he probably saw the Chaos Gods would have stopped him.
Isn’t that like in Greek Mythology where the gods can’t directly intervene but instead have Demi gods or primarchs in this case.
They need to make stories on what the primarchs are up too because what ever missions there on have to be important for them to have abandoned the Imperium the way some did
Lorgar: "So you are a god? YOU DON'T SAY??!!!"
E: You made me do this so I will burn your ass instead"
@@ukaszbiaek6641 L: Is that so?!?! Smite me, Almighty Smiter!
In fairness, nobody is more pissed about the state of the empire than Lorgar. "My homeworld got razed and this happened....."
@@HTWW E: Dorn, bring ass streacher, the heavy ass streacher
@@mechaboydx Choir boy ain't got time to be mad about this. He's got 'Raven Dracula' running after him for another asswhopping.
I thought the reaction of Inquisitor Crowl when accidentally entering the throne room was very interesting. The only words he uttered we're "Oh my..." if I remember correctly and then he was nicely asked by a custodes to leave if he wants to keep his life.
It seems like the experience did something with him even when he didn't see that much except for some rain and rainbow I think. Not even he as an Inguisitor was allowed to come much closer.
How does one "accidentally" get into the throne room?! Lol
@@philipguisinger4502 hey buddy its looks like u got the wrong door, the leather clubs is 2 blocks down..
The Emperor wakes, turns to his custodes and says these three words.... "Ten more M---illennia...."
Would be kinda nuts
😂😂😂😂
"Waaater....Pleaaaase....Sooooo....Thirstyyyyy"
@@PretenderCS Custodes have been rehearsing for this moment for 10k years. "Bathroom is that a way dude"
Yes, you win. Lmfao
I imagine at this point the throne room is just as beautiful and terrifying as the other domains of the warp like khorne and slaanesh. And that normal people will just keel over from trying to comprehend its very nature
Or your hair just turns white, like the founding members of the Adepta Sororitas. I wonder if all the Custodians have white hair under their helmets... Damn Kitten refusing to take his helmet off
Perhaps a pocket plane unto itself... well, in the process of becoming one.
Except the janitor.
Custodes can only take a century long shift in their before their minds burn away and the armour of those that survive is forever burnt
I remember one description of the cavernous, ornately decorated Throne Room, where the ceiling is so high that something like clouds can be seen in the upper reaches of the darkness above.
If you set the speed to 1.25, it will become absolutely normal
You the real Custodes!
This one comment changed wlr forever
HAHAHA HAHAHA I JUST TRIED IT
At 1.5 it gets mildly humorous
Lmaooooooo True
Maybe the grimmest darkest grimdark part of the 41st Millennium is that the emperor himself has given up on his dream.
Right in the feels
perhaps like a nuclear reactor, maybe the emperor's throne itself is inside an isolated room surrounded by another room in which you can look into it separated by a transparent glass like material. allowing it for people to "meet" with the emperor from a distance but would be in fatal danger if they ever went inside the core room.
I don't think it's like that, but all the people that go in are "special" like the founding nunz with gunz, the banana boiz and high ranking cyborg priests. Not some random guardsmen.
My personal head canon that No one has entered the throne room since the heresy. The Emperor has the ability to seamlessly plant the memory of entering into the mind of anyone who thinks they have.
Shame there are no security cameras in the future.
I always thought the emperor protects those around him from the harm of the warp. Like shielding them with a psychic bubble so they can come near him
That sounds way too practical for wh40k
"What will the other returning Primarchs think?"
Me: "They have to return first."
Yep emp becoming a god will be a 10 year story if not longer with ever increasing shit storms hitting the imperium. The they will reset the map as he becomes a god to continue the never ending war.
It might be planned to occur for the 40 year anniversary.........
Lorgar, knowing he will die anyway: "Told you that you were a god, dad"
@@thephoenix8722 Considering how much they rushed the return of Guilliman and the fall of Cadia 10 months is more like it. Think of it like GW, why wait 10 years to sell more Primarch models when you can sell them now?
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 and screw up long term earnings and emptying their box of ideas in one go? nah i believe the story will move on but slowly as they are building more and more on to the dark millenium under girlyman and then make a leap again like they did with the heresy vesus the siege
To me, the throne room looks like the basement scene from "Home Allone". He has nothing of the throne rooms that we e.g. know from Rome or London. It is more of a mixture of a boiler room and an emergency room. The innumerable pipes, cables and lines are for the most part still as they were at the end of the Heresy, it had to be done quickly, they are lying around haphazardly, purposefully, arranging them in some aesthetic way, there was no time for that. With the countless machines, it looks no different off, they are probably as huge as LA or NY, if you look between the devices and lines you can perhaps find traces of the armies that fought on the webway. The lighting is functional, probably not even that for normal people, because tech priests and custodes have superior senses, what might light up the throne room are the displays of the machines, or a cable that has been burned out forever, but nobody knows how to replace it, so there have been sparks for thousands of years. It smells of lubricants, blown technology and medicinal products, and rotting meat. In addition to tech priests and custodes, you only hear the screams of the psykers that are consumed so that the empire can continue to exist for another day. What illuminates this darkness and horror is the tremendous energy emanating from the Emperor, but this is not a beautiful light, a mighty human corpse where one cannot see where the machines and lines stop and the human being begins. It looks like an old coal heater that lights up the huge dark cellar a little with its flame.
A good analogy. Your probably spot on . Whatever it is I don’t think it’s pretty.
He wakes up and says
"Someone go tell Krieg they are forgiven, the realm is getting full and I cant tell if they are staring at me.".
“Not a nice place” sums up the Imperium pretty well, not just the throne room in the dungeons of the Imperial Palace.
Even before His internment upon the golden throne, the energies of that place were overwhelming (according to The Master of Mankind). On top of that, the Custodes codex says the companions can only bear to stand guard (in their full armor) for a few days at a time before they have to be swapped out so they can recover. Now, Alicia Dominica & the other Daughters of the Emperor who were taken to see Him during the reign of Goge Vandire obviously survived intact (aside from having the truth revealed to them), so the few seconds thing is probably an overstatement.
Now the issue of the Emperor’s divinity has, to me, always been that he is on par with the ruinous powers. The Imperial Truth & the Webway Project were intended to deny the ruinous powers the sustenance they need to survive & insulate humanity from their influence until such time as humanity had fully evolved into a psychic race. His denial of being divine during Unification & the Great Crusade stemmed from the fact that He’s seen exactly how religions get corrupted & perverted time & time again. Now whether He’s become more active because the Cicatrix Maledictum has opened & greatly increased the amount of background psychic energy available or because now his Primarchs are coming back into the fold we’ll have to wait & see. The Adepta Sororitas have existed for centuries and with His (implied blessing) since the Age of Apostasy. Their current role in the Indomitus Crusade may have as much to do with their Faith in Him as it does with Roboute Guilliman being a pragmatist.
The Emperor has always been a plans-within-plans kind of guy.
The delicious irony for me is that Lorgar ultimately got his wish of the Emperor deified (& based on his original texts no less), but only after he’d thrown in with Chaos. Now it’s going to bite XVII in the ass when the Imperium becomes resurgent as his brothers return over the next couple editions.
I had the same reaction as you Wolf Lord. It was the most 40K thing I've ever heard. Metal as fuck.
Guilliman when he went to visit his father on the golden throne
Guilliman "i need lot of suncream lots"
The thing that got me was that it said Guilliman *aged* during the time he was in the throne room
@@AlyssMa7rin that's the warp fuckery
@@AlyssMa7rin Well, being in the presence of a psyker that at this point could legitimately be described as a god might have a physical effect even on a primarch. As others have said, warp fuckery.
It works. It's pure Red Dwarf. "The ultimate atheist turns out to be god"
It's a blatant clue that is!
@@allanmorrison4447 Blatantly!
Are you telling me you were playing the prat version of Rimmer the whole time?!
@Lucas De Araújo Marques search "what is it red dwarf"
@Lucas De Araújo Marques A British comedy series about four blokes, or technically one bloke, a cat, a hologram and a robot, in a spaceship.
The whole reason the emperor didnt want humans to worship him as a god, or anything as a god, is because he knew of chaos before all of humanity. So when the heresy happened he kinda knew his plan went to hell, kinda literally. Then after a few thousand years of torture and watching humanity suffering and degrading, but seeing them actually happy when they worship him and the hope he gives them. That's what I think changed his mind, i also think hes also started the process of becoming a god and realized it might be the way to protecting humanity. So I think once he finally finds a way to repair the web ways, hes going to finally "die" and ascend to easier fight chaos and keep them trapped and stopping them from entering the "real realm". It be nice to see him come back in flesh and blood, and become a god, I just dont see that happening. I think he ends up more like the "good" eldar gods who appears in the form of a god and not his fleshy self, and it's not permanent. He only stays for short periods and he official becomes the god of humans.
the major concern of the emperor is the fate of humans; beyond death it is hell for everybody .what kind of fate the emperor as a god can give to humans ? some kind of paradise?
@@mawithewese it's not hell, it's just another plain of existence. It seems like hell to humans who aren't aligned to one of the chaos Gods, but to the ones who live there it's more like heaven. So, yes, he could help humans by creating a space there to directly fight chaos. By stopping chaos at the starting point, how could they have time to invade the real realm? Plus, he could make it a paradise for humans where they can fight for the emperor for all eternity against the chaos Gods. During the Horus heresy the chaos Gods actually got a little worried about the emperor and paid attention to him specifically, and even worked together for a little bit (meaning they didnt fight eachother) to try and kill the emperor. They were worried when he was human, imagine whatd happen if he became a God. Plus hes actually still helping humanity now all while trying to keep the web way working, and permanently set it up for safe use. Hes also being tortured every second for 10 thousand years, and he still finds time to watch all humanity and even lend his power to chosen ones to give hope and help them. Imagine what he could do with even more power. I think becoming a God is his only option to protect and provide the best offensive against humanity's enemies.
@@bleach8888 to be quick your answer is the name of he god emperor is odin and his paradise is Walhalla where you fight and drink to the end of times.it fit very well for nazis from outerspace :)
@@mawithewese lol, that's one way of looking at it. I'm not going to say its wrong atleast.
I hope HE comes back, even if only in voice ;)
Id settle for him to angry stare at the wall tbh...
Need text to speech machine :P
I think a return of one of Big E's psychic avatars(revelation) would be amazing
And watch they give him a Japanese Goku voice
@@nezqwe4818 you beat me to it by 4h
The sisters of silence see him as a regular man with a painful expression
Excellent reference!
Where was this mentioned?
This makes sense.
To become a "god", is a triumph of the result of the original crusade, as it proves the faith of mankind erases the boundaries and limits of the species. The necessity for it is unfortunate, but reveals humanity's destiny is not bookended by titles or concepts like godhood. The tragedy that would pain the Emperor is that mankind has denied itself destiny out of lack of faith in THEMSELVES for all this time. That they would continue to do so for 10,000 years in spite of being instructed, would probably be a little annoying upon his return.
The lesson, imo, wouldn't be that the Emperor himself is perfect, but that the possibilities of mankind's achievements are without limit in the face of reality and that Chaos as given the imperium far too much trouble considering...
I would love to see a meeting in the warp between Lorgar and the emperor in his god form.
Lorgar to emp...told ya !..
@@jennysullivan7794 the Big E : "listen here you little shit.."
Somewhere in the warp... Uriah is laughing his ass off.
It would be priceless if in the moment before Emps gets Godhood, Uriah appears to him and the two start discussing about faith once more, with the Priest smiling and constantly saying "told you so" and make Emp realise that no matter if Religion is extinguished, Faith will always remain, as it's innate in the human soul.
Also would be cool if Uriah literally talk with Emps in a psychic projection if the Last Church of Terra
"Now do you see my Emperor? You can try to extinguish faith, but it will never leave the human heart. For it is what inspire hope even when things are seemingly hopeless. Faith brings unity for where there is none. Our race would have been doomed had they given up on believing you." -how i would imagine Uriah meeting the Emperor again.
@@thecommentguy9380 and even before that, maybe a scene of the Emperor, fractured and just after the Heresy (I do believe that the Warp time logics apply even to souls, somehow), with an increasing and deafening cacophony of prayers to him that increases as seconds/millenias passes, as well as the laughter of the Chaos Gods, before literally screaming for that to stop, and then finding himself in tge inside of Uriah's church, like 10.000 years ago, and Uriah welcoming him.
I immagine Uriah as a good guy who observed from afar and in a relatively calm isle in the Warp, where he created a sanctum for those still good souls to rest before returning to the storm.
Hell, immagine if Uriah even met the souls of primarchs such as Ferrus, Vulkan (tho briefly, as he just rested a moment before returning to live) and for any reason even the good side of some of the traitor primarchs.
In this case, Uriah would still preach about faith, but no more for any gods, given where he is now... however, he would have faith in the Emperor, with the same words you used, showing Emps that despite been wrong, he was right in creating a greater faith, and that he should accept it, as not only humanity is stranded in all the galaxy, but because he will be the last hope for his people.
Brings the whole "Last Church" story from the Unification Wars into a fitting irony.
The story provides some much needed depth to the Emperor but man did the priest call it.
That land the church was on was rezoned way before the age of strife, its about time that old git got out
Emperor becomes a god, friendship ended with Guilliman, now friends with Lorgar
Gross
I feel there will be resentment from the loyalist legions and even hatred from the Word Bearers for putting them on the path they are on lmao. The Emperor's a goof.
Careful Heretic , The Big E will use Coraxs' Lightening Claws to remove the residue of little lorgie from between his teeth.
Plot twist: the "traitor" legions are doing exactly as the Emperor designed them. It's a long con, but in the end this ensures that even the Warp itself believes in Mankind :-)
What if the reason the chaos gods fear him is that they foresaw him ascending to godhood in order to destroy them and purge the warp of all deities so his imperial truth can be realized
The thing the four ruinous powers fear above all else , the one man who can end the great game forever.
Warhammer the place where the protagonist is just sitting there.
Sitting... menacingly.
And everyone around him is going absolutely bonkers waiting for him to do something
**spoilers** was a great interview - i agree the emperor never wanted to be a god - but in the outcast dead he plays regicide in the dreamscape with a character in which he says the only way to win sometimes is to stop your opponent from winning - meaning he knew he was going to die etc and that the only way for mankind to stand a chance was for him to accept the fates to come and play the long game - i believe strongly the imperial truth was his gambit at teaching all that no matter what claims to be a god it can be killed/destroyed with time and resources - which is why the heresy happened earlier than he expected - but he knows now without any leadership religion is the only pillar to keep mankind from chaos - as stagnation prevents the lust for knowledge and we all know what happens when we go seeking knowledge aye? lorgar - magnus jsut a couple of examples lol
This
Ave Imperator. Gloria in excelsis Terra.
laudate sui nominem sanctissimum!
Considering the nature of the Warp, and the Emperor, I can't help but wonder if people see what they expect to see in the throne room instead of what's actually there: a highly devout Imperial will see a brilliant, glowing skeleton an a literal golden throne, while a techpriest sent to maintain the throne might see faulty wires hooked up to a zombie, kept together through the near-magical efforts of ancient machinery.
Last time I was this early my primarch was still fortifying palace of Terra.
Another son of Dorn, I see. Well met, brother.
WHERE WERE YOU AT ISTVAAN!? *Anguished berb noises*
"I am fortifying this Iron Cage"
-A Ceratain Adorable Centurion
😅
@@captainvalourous6668 Too late, cousin! Do you not see that our enemy's perfidity knows no bounds!? Its a trap!
Nevermore, I say... Strike them not where you hope to win, strike them where they bleed! Forget the Iron Cage, sever their escape to the warp like they severed the escape of my brethen from treason! *Increased anguished berb noises*
@@attemptedunkindness3632 Why I was fortifying
Emperor on waking up “I told you to wake me before teatime”
Last time I was this early Dorn's hair was still black
wait waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Nah. Even baby Dorn was icy up top
Lol so never
He spent humanity's early years founding religions. The secular Imperial Truth may only have been the strategy he found most expedient for his mission at the time.
This right here. I'm convinced he knew long ago that he would need to be worshipped as a god. He also knew that trying to force worship of him wouldn't work.
It seems easier to first ELIMINATE all faith, then allow the vacuum to fill. However he first had to create the desire and fanaticism of faith to get the eventual levels of worship he would need tens upon tens of millenia later.
The emperor just lost the option of choince when he sit on the throne. Now hes doing his best with what he gets, and that its to become a god.
To believe in an idea, is to be willing to betray it - Kreia.
The Big E is gonna be like man....you guys did what to my armor?
Custodian: my lord..... You asked us to do that. Should i call the adeptus psychiatrus?
What happened to his armor?
@@saetielmedrano768 they used it as part of terminator badges
@@saetielmedrano768 they chopped it into bits to make Crux Terminatus for Terminator armor
@@darkhighwayman1757 well there was that one book where a piece of his armor was made into a bolt round and it allowed the emperor to move it to kill a greater deamon
2:45 Big E triggering Magnus with a barrage of chicken puns.
We know what the Emperor looks like. In Master if Mankind, a Sister of Silence (a blank) mentions (in thought) of looking at the emperor on The Golden Throne, not as others saw him, but as he truly was: a frail old man, eyes closed and mouth agape in suffering exertion to command The Throne.
I would thhink the Sisters of Silence would see him in his true form.
Big E doesn't seem bothered by them, so I suspect he still appears all fancy to them.
The emporer would appear as his warrior form but no Armour just a simple cloth, to thank the sobs for their service.
They see him as an ageless man in great pain.
They do. He is just a man to their eyes. They do not see the Golden Giant.
@@antaliciousww Yes, they do. Corax also saw him as a normal man when he first met him. He didn't understand why everyone around him went to their knees with tears in their eyes. When he asked why they were acting like that, he said: "occupational hazard"
"What's it like in the Throne Room?"
Just read Watchers on the Throne by Chris Wright.
Last time I was this early the emperor still walked among us
sUS
Amogus
We all know that some can last longer than seconds, such as “The Boy”
Only The Boy's Mighty Leg Muscles could preserve one from such utter destruction as would otherwise befall those who would gaze upon The Emprrraah.
The boy is kitten's son
I love the idea that the emperor's throne room is insanely hot. Gives the idea that he is the heart of the imperium.
Far too hot for armor
I guess after the Horus Heresy, the Emperor realized that the enlightenment was a load of horse shit.
13:50 Hold on there, Rho. The voice of the Emperor is definitely Speaker D.
You also forgot to talk about the fact that Dan said The Emperor was eternally dieing and regenerating on the throne aswell
Yeah like that's more important than anything in this video, it basicaly confirms that the emperor is still immortal, and that he chooses to stay on the throne rather than actualy needing it
@@bloodangel19 he HAS to stay on the throne to power the astronomicon and keep the tides of chaos in the rip in space in the dungeons away. Even if he could, or even wanted to walk amongst them again he could not, as the entire imperium and possibly galaxy would fall to chaos.
@@serbronnoftheblackwater798 yeah but he isn't obligated to do that. If he felt like it he could just say fuck yall and let everybody die, he would resurect
Remember when the lights went out for a bit and the astronomicom stopped working? I think that was the break he needed to get to the point where he could actually regenerate, and that's why we see him taking part more now
@@bloodangel19 he has to stay or the heart of the imperium would die, and soon after, the rest of the imperium
- How is throne room?
- Not great, not terrible.
It's not three warp-roentgen. It's fifteen thousand.
Dan was speaking of normal people when he mentioned death within a few seconds; Custodes come out of the throne with blackened armor and even Guilliman stated that it was like conversing with a star. Any normal man or women would probably die near instantly... if not for the psyker barrier preventing the unwanted from entering.
I think you've left out a big part of Dans interview and that's the part where he says the Emperor is a perpetual and is dying and resurrecting upon the golden throne, that in itself is a big talking point.
Despite the fact he’s rotted away to a skeleton.
@@kelman727 But is that 100% cannon now, or is that just what he wants everyone to see and to be honest where exactly have you read that from? The corpse emperor is only a slur spouted by traitors to the imperium
Emperor: *becomes a god*
Lorgar: I TOLD you. But you would not listen. So who's the traitor now, huh?
I think the Emperor probably realized that there's no way he could ever actually abolish religion or stop people from worshipping him. Because of his very nature and power he's gonna have people worshipping him
Yellow king been perfecting host bodies for emp in his pocket dimension
I just imagine the looks on the faces of those who see the emperor walk out of the throne room like a baller
So Lorgar was right, the imperium's is based off the word bearers philosophy. Damn that's just gotta hurt!
Just remember, Never Trust ADB, he tried to non canonize the Blood Ravens being related to the Thousand Sons and then threw a hissy fit when he was reminded it was indeed canon.
1. There is no hard Canon.
2. It was, to the best of my knowledge, never definitively stated they were. Just implied by deceitful characters and hinted at elsewhere.
The silent sisters were the only ones I thought that have seen the Emperor's true form. Whereas everytime me that looked upon the Emperor saw some majestic golden being. The silent sisters only saw what seemed to be an ordinary man.
I want to hear about the throne room from the POV of a custodian
I was waiting for the one reaction I most focused on. The emperor is constantly dying and being reborn. I watched the Abnett interview when it came out, and that was the point I thought I would hear the most about. The connotations of him being constantly reborn as he holds the warp at bay is truly grimdark.
Me: wakes up to quickly go to the toilet so i can resume the dream im having.
The Custodes standing sentinel for 100 years: 👁👄👁
The only reason the wars across the galaxy have gone on as long as they have is because The Emporer was effectively dethroned by the council of terra. His seat on the golden throne is voluntary; the blood sacrifices to heal the psychic wound he suffered in his battle against horus during the horus heresy, and he chose to not heal himself as punishment to the Council of terra. These past 10,000 years of war are but a product of the ineptitude and inadequacy of the council at ruling the inperium. The Council of Terra was a worse ruler than one single man, a fact he will expose as he acends once more to rule. He is the only emporer capable of leading humanity out of these wars. The only reason humanity survived is because of his rule, and the sheer luck that they've experienced in the past 10,000 years. With the necrons on the rise, the warp tear far from closing, and who knows how many Tyranid hive fleets on the way, and the technological development of the imperium stagnating for 10,000 years or more, the only way humanity can pull through is if The Emporer awakes once again, and takes charge of the situation, ending the wars and this age of darkness once and for all.
On the other hand, it would be really, really funny to see Lorgar's reaction to "you know what, I'm a god"
I know its controversial in the community, but I appreciate that the timeline seems to be starting to move forward (slowly)
Same
Last time I ws this late, Emperor still have his glorious beautiful long hair.
Larger: See father! You are a god! I told you so! I made you so.
Should have left him on his shit-desert planet.
You mean the second most important character, For I am Cato Sicarius the most important character.
Sicarius, you are starting to sound alot like Alpharius. I'm waiting for the Scooby-Doo reveal
I am not Alpharius.
@@Alpharius708 You, Alpharius.
i cast FIST!
@@Alpharius708 That is exactly what the Alpha Legion would say....Followed by..."I am Alpharius..."
The Throne Room was described by Chris Wright in a novel. There's so much machinery in there that the Emperor's body isn't even visible anymore.
Guilliman > "Uhhh, this is what's been going on while we slept...."
The Emperor > "Well, shit."
I think it was in "The Emperor's Legion" where one of the Custodes is asked if he wants to join the Companions. It's then shown that the Companion's armour is scorched completely black from the energies roiling around the Emperor at all times. It's probably traumatic on every level of physical and metaphysical that we can imagine. I imagine it like a big Tesla coil inside a nuclear reactor, sharing a very thin wall with the hell of the warp.
Imagine being a God and hating everything about it? That's some good character building right there.
I hope the lesson isn’t “people need god to deal with the hardships of life”. It’s a really common apologetic I have been hearing a lot lately. I really hope it’s more dynamic than that. I want a grand plan where the emp decides to become a god for real and but because the imperium is such a horrible place he just ends up joining the great game as another god, one whose realm is of order, law, death, power, faith, and subjugation.
It would be best not to take anything in 40k as a "moral of the story" or message of any kind.
@@AdriusFrostglare you say that, but when authors write books they cant help but put their world view into them, and people maybe be effected subconsciously and will always try to look for meaning in the work as well. this is just part of all writing imo. its impossible to write a good book that says nothing, i guess. im sure the authors know this.
Hey Rho, that interview was in promotion of Penitent, which has some pretty major revelations in it. Any chance we'll get a video to discuss those?
There is no better topic to discuss. I wonder sometimes if he has become my Golden Calf.
Ikr
I gotta post a comment of apprecation for once; I know nothing about warhammer lore, nor ever will I. Your soothing voice explaining detailed heavy foreign warhammer lore is the best sleeping medicine I've discovered. (No offense, all compliments!) I find one of your 20+ minute videos on a saturday night, and drift into sleep hearing about the god emperor's conquests 'till I pass about. Keep cranking these vids, one day I'll get into the lore, perhaps trough D&D!
Robute would be absolutely livid if Emps declared himself a god. His legion razing Monarchia because they worshipped the Emperor as a god is a large part of what started the Heresy, so just imagine the Emperor now turning around and saying that Lorgar was right all along?
I think it’s a really exciting direction to take the 40K universe. I hope they pursue it!
After 6 months I have returned your channel only to smile during the entire video it was like meeting with a old friend you love good job dude you are great !
Not the emprah we want but the emprah we need
My thoughts on it are: Its like having cancer, pretending you dont have it doesn't make it less real, it is what has happened to him he is a god also accepting it as what is happening and not being ok with its not exclusive to each other they can both exist, him embracing the godhood as a useful tool to further help humanity is pretty on brand for the Big E to me at least also
He will not come back because Kitten never unplugged Guilliman’s life support.
no need guilliman is alive already
Timing was everything.
I can't believe this is funny to people. It is a bit cringy, a bit autistic, you have to admit. I guess its its not hurting anything.
@@tyrlant2189 Show us on the doll where Kitten touched you.
I like the idea of "The Emperor" as a formless, empathic entity, manifesting itself in the way most convenient at the time. It's a nice middle ground between "the emperor is an inhuman powerhungy asshole" and the "dadperor" view
We all know the Emperor is actually Conan
Emperor is from Simeria
@@vukasinpetrovic2412 thought he was from Turkey
@@robertoleary5470 Mesopotamia probably.
Theres a real Cimmeria in history. Its in that general area.
Ohhhh, you mean the barbarian. I thought you meant O'Brian.
That very first picture of the Emperor at the start of the video... every time I see that white square where the pommel is I can't help but think the artist forgot to put any artwork there!
Last time I was this early my dad hadn't taken his 18 year trip to Walmart
Yours too
@@TheTransgenderAgenda sadly
Emps:"I have accepted my position as a god"
Lorgar: "my arousal has never been higher"
'about fucking time. I have so many things to complain about.'
When it comes to returning Primarchs and their reactions, I would say the Lion's would be one of the few I could guess. The Lion is a practical being, seeking what is effective and exploiting it to his advantage as seen when he kills Brother-Redemptor Nemiel; who tries to stop the Librarians upon the Invincible Reason from using their powers to fight the daemons despite them being the most effective weapon since it violates the Edict of Nikaea. Seemingly breaking with the Emperor's Word in order to survive the battle that is happening all around him, which could be an analogue to the Emperor and religion/Imperial Cult from rising. He would be furious at the Imperium around him and would make his way to Terra to see the Emperor, where he would ask the reason for the changes he has seen. If the Emperor told him that he had to let the Cult spread in order to unite Humanity without His direct presence then the Lion would accept it for the tool that the Cult is in the grand strategy.
I want Corvus Corax to return. One can dream.
I can definitely imagine emp's body strung up into some HR Geiger-esque machine, somewhat resembling the inside of one of those Tokamak fusion reactors. Burnt sterile with the sheer radiation and soul fire that the throne would kick out. But perhaps He holds back the light with his psychic strength to allow his servants to enter and perform maintenance... poor Guilliman seeing Him like a corpse just caught up in the gears of the mountain-sized astronomican apparatus.
At 21:48 in that interview, notice that Dan Abnett doesn't say "Horus", he says "The living Avatar of Chaos". Possible confirmation that Horus is completely subsumed by Chaos at that point, or even better, that it'll be Sanguinius given over to a Chaos Empowered Black Rage who defeats Horus and then turns on the Emperor? :D
Ive always suspected he gave into the rage after killing horus and emp didnt want to kill him hence why he got beaten up as at that point emp wouldnt of held back on horus after all the shit he did. But sang out of his mind i can see emp doing anything not to kill him.
The Emperor planned it all. It was all part of his plan to become a god and shepherd the Human Race through to the goal he designed.
He knew the primarchs would be scattered, and allowed it to happen. When Horus had his vision/memory while suffering on Isstvan, he saw the Emperor held back and allowed the primarchs to be scattered. Erda said something similar in a recent book.
Scattering the primarchs allowed them to be exposed to Chaos, making the heresy inevitable. That was the crucible that would lead to his apotheosis, abeit 10,000 years delayed. Good things require effort.
He laid plans for events that were unlikely (like the primarch creche deep underneath the palace, houses that would never have owners) to cover all possibilities. He laid plans for events that were very likely and made sure he had people in place to cover them (Malcador is key here). His foresight helped him see the possibilities and weight them, and he planned for so many eventualities that when it came down to it, his biggest problem was working out which plan had to be foremost. His regicide game against Malcador helped him there.
Removing all the old religions reset the Human Race's beliefs to a null state, ready for something to come in and essentially claim the belief of an entire race. Chaos started to see that and acted, but the Emperor was ready and started manifesting his power to protect the faithful, which helped spread the seed of his religion.
The real question is whether the Emperor in 30K was aware of all of this or not. Was the Emperor of 40K, the God-Emperor of mankind the one pulling the strings, or was the 30K Emperor in control. I think the former - the later Emperor is acting backwards through time to manipulate his earlier self, who was dimly aware that he was going to become a god.
To dare suggest that the Emperor isn't black haired and blue eyed?
HERESY!
Everything I've ever read about Big E has him depicted as having black hair and eyes and brown/tan skin. Where do you get blue eyes from? Anyway, he can change his appearance at will so his colours are not really relevant.
Tbh, after the revelations of our* beloved Alpharius novel, i can totally see him (big e) getting on-board w the god train to win the ultimate goal of the epic long game.
He doesn’t do it because he wants to. He does it because of all of the remaining future threads of humanity coming out on top at the end, he has to take the “god” role to make it happen.
He definitely has to play with the hand that he has, because he’s not going to just fold and lose. That is not his way. He would most definitely fight to the bitter end.
The winners make the rules after all... *maybe imperial truth 2.0 will be easier next time around...**
YOU WERE MEANT TO DESTROY THE CHAOS GODS NOT JOIN THEM!!!~Roboute Gulliman
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE !
I love these lines in Primarchs: Lion El'Johnson Lord of the First p.10 ebook ed.
"Lion El'Jonson had never seen his father's face....
...To the Lion, the Emperor appeared as a hooded figure, armoured in emerald plate, inscrutable with gilt and filigree and shrouded in robes of gold, wreathed in obscuring light.
Everything his brothers described was a mask.
Only the Lion beheld the truth."
Emperor wakes up:
"Is my Bitcoin up yet?"
Custodes "Err no my Lord"
"Wake me up when I can get my Lambo"
TTS Throne room is always gonna be 'THE cannon' Throne room , i mean how else will Kitten and the 3 shirtless custodes groom Big E?
Im a simple man, I see Wolf Lord Rho, I click