all those millenia, to think no -one thought to get grey knights or other astartes librarians to help with fighting the warp portal. or turned a bunch of Culexus Assassin heads into guns to just antimatter all the daemons apart.
@@TheKlink the portal itself is guarded eternally by custodes. What the emperor is fighting is the rip in the web way that magnus tore open. And that's just a portion of his power.
My therory is that when the Emp burned Nurgle's domain, some damage was done to Isha's cage. Isha's rebirth/release can lead to the big E being awoken.
That's one of my theories. Eldrad Ulthran has been supporting Roboute's efforts. He even sent a representative, Illyanne Natase, to advise Roboute during the Indomitus Crusade and Plaguewars in Ultramar. It is possible that the plan that Roboute came up with to defeat Mortarion and attack Nurgle's Garden was influenced by Natase. So, what do the Craft World Eldar get out if this? As noted, Nurgle's Garden is now damaged. Could this be an initial strike to set the stage for a rescue mission? Perhaps.
@@Timasion This is just because Roboute likes big titty eldar girlfriends much like his father. They may be arrogant but imagine their experience paired with eldar agility...The big E is a man of taste and culture after all and so is his favorite smurf.
I can't speak for others and how long they've been into 40k, I have been around since the mid 90's and I never thought I'd see any Primarch come back. I don't see why Big E can't come back, there's only so much you can do in regards to the storyline keeping it as it was. Everything was breaking and degenerating and it needs something to push it forward again before humanity regresses back in to Old Night.
@Scott Walklate me to, I was shocked when they actually moved the story on! firstly with bringing back a primarch and more recently, the emperor awakening.
@@dimwitsixtytwelve the trouble is they teased us when they did the Horus Heresy series and gave Primarchs personalities. People have probably emailed them about them coming back.
@@Brissebrajan I was a little later in 94-95 my first year of high school. The lads I went with played Warhammer, I saw 40k and I was hooked straight away.
@@mrw1783 I think you may be right and as much as I enjoy reading about them, I do feel sorry for newcomers to 40k because now it’s all laid out for them. When I was a kid (back in my day!) I remember you got a few small sentences/paragraphs on the primarchs and they were essentially legends to the imperial citizens. That really left me wondering and imagining wtf were they like? I know that’s a contradictory statement but it is good to not tell everything I feel.
I think if they were to bring him back to the mortal coil they would have to nerf him, like the majority of his soul would still act as the bullwork against chaos/acting as the astronomican. This would leave him with his healed mortal body with the psycker power comparable to pre- tricking chaos gods into giving him power. This would stop him from just steam rolling the galaxy again and have to work more-so on his sons levels. granted he'd still roll anyone in a fight. I dunno, I dont know everything about the lore and am just basing this off of what I know/remember.
The idea that he would be incarnated into a new mortal form is a bit... unimaginative in my opinion. I envision him ascending into the Avatar of humanity. He should become the warp god of order, to act as the balance for Chaos. Considering Chaos is responsible for the events of the story it only makes sense to me.
@@jamesespinosa690 I suppose it would be easier to take that final step into complete god good rather than “step down” into a new body. I just hope gw doesn’t do some dumb shit
Guilliman was also warned that if the Emperor ever got off the throne, it might not be the same person as he knew in the crusade, let alone have the same intentions.
The Emperor's sole goal has always been the salvation of mankind. It is not Guilliman's right, or even his place, to question the God Emperor. His duty, as it ever was and as it ever will be, is to bend the knee and obey.
@@elgerifico I dunno, his attitude in the books doesn’t point to him doing this. He very much isn’t happy with the emperor like the traitor legions.. he just won’t abandon mankind like they did. My interpretation At least of it.
@@elgerifico True, but what Guiliman is loyal to is the ideas the emperor put forward during the crusade and the unification of humanity, The Emperor was the best and only way to achieve it, but Guiliman believes in The Imperial Truth, no gods, only men, and he's seen what Lorgar has done at the behest of gods, and what the impirium has turned into because of the worship of gods, he may try to revive the emperor so the Impirial Truth can take hold once more as his father had wished it to be all those millennia ago.
@@amandakoeppel7580 what books please tell me where can i buy them/read them online i've been trying to find where these youtube creators got the lore from
@@delano6572 the three books where most of this lore comes from are the 3 dark imperium books. Dark Imperium, plague war and godblight. I listened to them all on audible. Possibly available in actual book form on Amazon but not sure.
The only way they are going to follow through on a rebirth of the Emperor is if they go forward with an End Times scenario. Frankly, I don't trust GW to do justice to that sort of story arc.
They won't go the End Times route with a successful game backed by a successful backdrop. Warhammer Fantasy was a completely dead game; despite the massive support GW gave it in 7th and 8th edition, sales were tanking, turnout for events was an all-time low (and steadily declined for 10 straight years), and people at-large were done with the medieval-based fantasy on the tabletop after the LotR bubble. End Times happened because, despite their efforts to revitalize the game (new rules, rapid book releases, lower prices on new kits - yup, it happend), it continued to shrink. Plus, the fluff was horridly unoriginal, stolen directly from Earth's maps and poor-man's Tolkien, cherry-picked from all over history so it didn't feel cohesive, and the forums even had no activity. AoS has since sold more in 5 years than WHFB did in its previous 25 combined, and the tournaments are sold-out at every event, even during covid. 40k is enormously successful and enjoying it's most successful run in the hobby's history. It has bled into the mainstream and become commonplace on the tongues of people across different genres, and even celebrities. Their IP is sought after everywhere. Besides, we already had an "End Times" equivalent in 40k with the Gathering Storm series; Guilliman being brought back and the giant rift tearing across the galaxy, and the same rules from 3rd to 7th finally getting a full-scale reboot with all armies starting back at zero. The only way a truly End Times event happens in 40k is if 40k is suddenly a dying game as the (thankfully dead) WHFB was.
@@saltedllama2759 The problem was that their rules were incredibly complicated and overwhelming. And that the newer editions only made things worse. Fantasy was ruined the moment the brought in pre measuring, and made it so your models could still attack even if the front rank of your unit was wiped out. That and that it had to compete with 40k, which has always been a much easier game to get into and start playing on a small scale. Oh, and because state education gets worse and worse as time goes by, there was no interest amongst the youth for history. And it was fans of historical warfare that truly were the fans of Fantasy.
First, we do not know if this is the first time that the Emperor spoke. During the Age of Apostasy, the Emperor may have spoken to Alicia Dominica. No one knows what happened there. Second, in my opinion, the Emperor did not possess Guilliman. While he was in the Garden of Nurgle, there are none of the characteristics of possession. Typically, the possessed lose all memory of the event and the Emperor speak in the first person, such as when he possessed Malcador during *Deliverance Lost*. Guilliman still spoke in the first person and remembered all the events. There are three possibilities. First, Guilliman's own psychic power is being manifested. While he claims that he has no such gifts, all primarchs are born of the warp and have some connection. He thinks it's the Emperor, but it's really his. Second, Guilliman is able to channel the Emperor's power. Guilliman, by focusing on the Emperor's sword, he can channel the Emperor's power. "The sword is the key. Draw on your father's power or die" said Natase. When Mortarion felt the power flow through the warp, that was Guilliman drawing on it. Third, despite all appearances, this is the Emperor. But why would he not announce himself? Personally, I think that Guilliman has learned how to draw on the Emperor's power and focus it. Guilliman fears what's on the throne. Keep in mind that Guilliman's relationship with the Emperor is at a rocky point. "He is not my father" did Roboute proclaimed. Roboute does not trust what is on the throne any ore (if he actually did before).
Yeah, I’m leaning towards Guilliman being able to channel the Emperor’s power, and I’m of the opinion that while Guilliman respected and loved the Emperor during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, he was always more loyal to the people of Imperium and the Emperor’s dream than to the guy himself. Even long before the Heresy, he was thinking of possibilities for if the Emperor should die and how the Imperium would continue in his absence, something I think that few of the Primarchs ever dared to even briefly consider. And he’s one of the Primarchs that, in my and others opinions, if faced with the choice of saving humanity or the Emperor- or even of killing the latter to save the former-he would choose humanity every time.
I want Bile to finally figure it out and make a clone of the Big E. Only to have the Big E take control of it. Like others have said, the mortal coil would need to be drastically reduced in power.
That's an illogical thought process. End Times happened because Warhammer Fantasy was an absolutely dead game with completely unoriginal/stolen fluff from Tolkien and earth/not-earth. Age of Sigmar has also been more successful in 5 short years in terms of sales and tournament participation than Warhammer Fantasy was in the previous 25, and has completely original fluff that keeps improving. Warhammer 40k (and GW), on the other hand, is enjoying its most successful run in its history. 40k isn't going anywhere. It's more like the MCU where it opens all kinds of (unlikely) doors like these so there are possibilities to go in any direction, and leave the fans talking.
@@saltedllama2759 I understand your reasoning, my train of thought was mainly the lore is bring great changes to the setting. Much like the resurrection of Bobby G, and the Fallen gathering in mass.
bringing big E back is just a complete win just imagine the new scope of waht the empiruim could do if he returned at the tecnological level they would start getting back to the golden age of humanity
Although a nice thought experiment, the Emperor being a corpse in the golden throne is as much an integral part of Warhammer as oversized gun and shoulder pauldrons
Yes, but I could be down with a walking corpse... That fools everyone present with psyker bullshittery. But I don't expect them to be any more grimdark than already stablished.
There is great lore before the throne too… perhaps we can have a big flash forward of some kind and have a world where the emperor has some outcome or presence. Much like how we distinguish 30k from 40k… warhammer 50k? Kek
Eh, I don't believe that. People think a bit too narrowly on what a return of the Emperor would look like. I think he will simply ascend and join the big 4 in the warp as the god Order, his power now fully unleashed he would probably just seal the breach in the palace and that could fix that issue.
The emperor being more powerful because of the 10 thousand years of hundreds of trillions has me thinking. If belief shapes the warp than what if the beliefs about the emperor changed him not just in power but in identity and character. Power in of itself changes, but the beliefs of the people must be altering the emperor even more fundamentally. Maybe that's why papa smurf was a bit weirded out about the emperor when they reunited.
If every webway rout to the Terran gate could be sealed off, the doomsday device would be unnecessary. Grey Knights and Custodians collaborating with the Ynnari, Harlequins, and Asurianni anyone?
@@UncleMikeDrop The Aeldari operate exclusively out of necessity. During the Great Crusades humanity became an extinction level event for the 40k Elves. Infact there is a non-zero chance that the Aeldari evacuated the Webway cities around Terra after the Emperor's arrival during Unification just because they knew it would ultimately undermine his efforts and give the Aeldari breathing room as a race. Aeldari are weird like that.
Not really. Custodes, Grey Knighrs, Ynnari, Harlequins, and the Eldar are limited. Chaos is LITERALLY limitless and infinite in their numbers... it would just be a matter of time before they all die... look at what happened to the 10k when they tried to hold a single gate? Chaps cant be stopped by sheer numbers
@@adrienwatson2179 Actually, "really" is what gets them, everytime. They are limitless within the Warp, yes. But they are nothing outside of the Warp, this is why all the Daemon Primarchs are very Flash-In-The-Pan; they know they can't do much while in reality. The sacrifice of 10k for the gate was literally dismissed with the closing of the Emperor's hand. Aeldari knew this for millions of years, and stayed well enough away. Now, here comes humanity, exterminating the last of your endangered species. If the Aeldari didn't want the outcome of the Webway project to happen the way it did; they were literally in the best position to stop it, but didn't.
there is an enormous potential for development here: from my (probably poor) understanding there is a convergence in the making: Valdor as the king in yellow.. Russ with the tree of life.. traitor primach already on the loose.. Guilliman the only (for now?) loyal primarch on the job.. if we think of what can happen "in game" there must be half a million possible development BUT from a business standpoint GW has a potential goldmine at hand.. what we know of mr. Big E? just speculation.. was he really born as a result of a mass suicide of potent shamans? are the shard that guilliman felt the soul of each and every one of them? GW can create a whole series of book on the Emperor, from the birth of time to the first of those shaman that "felt" something.. to the "rite" that made the big. E possible, to a "voyage through time" where the being that will become the Emperor witnessed the event of real human history (like, hey, mr. big E, what about American Civil War, or WWI or WWII or anything else GW may want to deal with).. then the mr. E in the 10th millennium.. in the 20th.. and all other milestone that brought to the creation of primarch, legions, custodes.. each of those "milestones" may be pivotal in a long series of books, boxsets and even TV series, movies or whatever! just think, on a wider scale, to the books that we got not so long ago that brought back the Custodes..
The big thing that Really needs to happen is for Big E to be healed to the point of not requiring sacrificed psychers and him being able to communicate directly with the Imperium
Is it possible that the Emperor burned the garden in order to release Isha? If she were set free would she have the power to resurrect the Emperor? (Or better yet would she resurrect the Emperor?)
Fear of what the Emperor has become is a good motive. The Emperor of 30k would hate the Emperor of 40k. Probably. I like the idea that the Emperor - himself (possibly) composed of multiple souls - has become shattered on the spiritual level by his millions of deaths. In his weakened state, the beliefs of his followers have increased his power, but it is effectively shared between his multiple overlapping personalities. All of his personalities seek to defeat Chaos, but how they view the Primarchs, the Imperium & humanity differs. Some of these personalities are fatherly and benevolent. Others are tyrannical - demanding that humanity serves him.
The Emperor of 30k would hate the Emperor of 40k. But would it be your fault if your family put you in life support, why would you hate yourself if so? It's not your fault. And taking you off that bed means the world ends. Oh then people start worshipping you too - still why don't you just tell them to stop? What's that? You can't? But somehow it's still all your fault, and apparently the you from 10 years ago would really hate the current you for doing all these things that are completely out of your control/want/decision.
@@elcruzador3795 Well I suppose Black Library keeps everything ambiguous, but the way I'd look at it: 30k Emps hated warp entities. 40k Emps is a warp entity. 30k Emps hated possession. 40k Emps possesses people. 30k Emps deplored religious human sacrifice. 40k Emps lives off human sacrifice. 30k Emps didn't care that the Chaos gods had no choice in being chaos entities that fed off the souls of material beings. He didn't care about the fact that the peoples subject to externinatus, had not chosen where they were born. It is not a case of one being good, and the other being evil. They're both pretty terrible. But 40k Emps is the embodiment of everything 30k Emps would have wiped out without a second thought.
@@Niall001 I was less thinking of good and evil but more pragmatic with the 'he can't do anything about it' point. But what you say is, I'm sure, what GW meant for the narrative to be and those conflicting points just serve to provide more ambiguousness as you say.
I think there needs to be a civil war first, then once the chaos gods are even stronger than now, he could come back. It would require vulkan back too, due to the device. The issue is that the setting would need to remain grimdark. The only way it could when he returns is if he returns right before humanity's destruction.
I don't think the Emperor coming back as a physical being would be in humanity's best interest. No god is able to fully manifest in the material universe. It's this lack of seeing him do things like people that makes "faith" true. If faith goes away, he won't be as powerful. He must stay a warp presence, a true god. At least until the Chaos gods are defeated
He was doing pretty well before... he only accepted the worship to stop the chaos gods from misusing the faith of humanity. The siege of Terra and the infiltration of the early imperial cult shows this perfectly.
@@MrFallenone Yeah but that was before. It wouldn't work now that the Imperial creed has evolved and been entrenched. His manifestations have way more meaning to me
Jaq Draco is still technically canon as well, and the fact that he managed to make it into his presence, and even speak to Him, unseen, by the custodes would imply that the Emperor specifically hid him from their sight, would be a real good way to bring Draco&co the tabletop after 30 years
I think it shouldnt happen. It would change the setting too much. What I DO want to happen is the lion coming back as that might create a lot of new tension with gman
If the emporer truly awakens, with godly power, I believe he will divide that power up and send it back from whence it came; to humanity itself, equally, to prove to all humanity once and for all that they do NOT need a god, and that faith in themselves is all the more powerful.
"ABOUT FRAKKING TIME" somewhere in the palace, a high ranking member of the Custodes sneezes. He can't shake the feeling that there was something he was supposed to do, but the opportunity passed.
If anything it seems the Dark imperium trilogy closed the book on the Emperor coming back in a Mortal Body as he has completely left the mortal plane for good
How about cloning a Primarch body to serve as a vessel for the Rmperor? No need for a Primarch if a fragment of the Emperor inhabits the cloned body. Cloning Sanguinius would be ideal. This will never happen of course, but it's nice for casual musing.
Juuuust out of curiosity: Which part of the inquisition would have to be the one to burn the reborn Emperor? Would he more be considered to be a witch or a mutant? Not to forget, that he - if he insisted on his own teachings pre-corpse - would be a heretic... But the more crispy part aside, I would love to see him reborn Slanesh-like, I mean he feasts on thousands of souls each day, so that would be fitting.
Inquisition would be absolutely fucked if Emperor came back. Everything they do is the exact opposite of what he wanted, worshipping him as a god, stalling scientific research, pushing the imperium back into religious dark ages. Hundreds of millions of heads would roll if he came back.
@@combomaster666 That is more the Ecclesiarchy. The Inquisition is just tortouring and burning people, mostly "Heretics", the mutant and the witch and with those things he is totaly fine, having done them himself. Research is most limmited by the Tech-Priests and as someone, who routinely lied to others, so they don't get knwoledge, I don't see how he would have a right to complain. I am not saying, he would be happy or anything, but not only has he become a god, I don't even think he would be totaly unpleased. What they are doing may not come from such an "enlightened" place, as his divine a..., but in general he never had a problem with lies, deception or deceit (looking at not telling Magnus or any other son the truth, creating and desposing the thunderwarriors, etc) or with mass-murder (thunderwarriors again, the psykers sacrificed for the first time, wehen they found out, how to do it). No, I think he would have a stearn talk with the Ecclesiarc of the day, make a few cosmetic changes, so he feels in charge again and then return to mass-murdering in the name of his ego again.
They could simply have him ascend to full godhood. I mean they have been heavily leading to him ascending anyway. Thanks to the rift and current events he's more powerful than he's ever been. The Emperor healing and leaving the throne doesn't mean he returns in gilded golden armour and stomps across the galaxy...
Well, they can't keep the setting "frozen" forever (because frankly nothing truly setting-shattering has happened since the Heresy! Yeah, I mean it, even the destruction of Cadia over all didn't change much! The Imperium is still fighting a losing battle, the decline however is slow and yes there's victories here but you can win every battle but it doesn't matter if you can't win the over all war!)...bringing Emps back would be a huge change and frankly it is needed! A totally hopeless setting does lose its luster after a while!
Not to dampen the mood, but let’s all just give our respect to those who unfortunately passed away before they could witness the Warhammer lore we’ve gotten in the past few years😔
i loved the cawl inferior's response to guilliman's question. there is no certainty that what would come off of that throne would be anything like what first sat upon it...and "all gods are a blight upon reality." even though he didnt get a first hand experience of meeting the emperor like guilliman. he seems more interested in closing the great rift to keep ALL gods out of the materium not just chaos.
They could do it really, and not even force a real end times type scenario then and there. If he fully healed being a perpetual and even scienced some way to keep the golden throne working without him in it. That would just mean chaos would step up there game. The emperor is just one person, and there are 4 (ehh 5) chaos gods, hes still outnumbered and cant be everywhere at once. His primarch spear heads are gone but for one, though maybe he could find a few. It would take everything up to a whole new level and push things further towards an end war, but grim dark and galaxy wars just a monday. It could work. The bigger problem would be still trying to deny hes a god and his religion, as well as answering for some seriously bad parenting
I got into 40k in the early 2010s through the RPGs Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, and Rogue Trader. In our Deathwatch game, the GM made a book character one of the lost primarchs. I had left the game due to moving across the country, but when the reveal happened, all of the players just let the Primarch die/sacrifice himself because "reasons". It pissed me off so much because even in 2012, I saw the HUGE implications of having a loyalist Primarch (even a disgraced one returned) alive in the setting. The GM was setting up a "convince him to join the Imperium" moment, and the players just murder-hobo'd their way around it. When Papa G-man came back, I felt 100% vindicated on my feelings. Granted I was playing an Ultramarine in that game so my character would have seen a Primarch (Even one of the lost ones) as a blessing with valuable information and insight. So, seeing the Big E come back isn't too farfetched, in my mind. We've seen crazier things happen.
The Emperors own plan is likely to return to being a human being, he has had too juice up his power levels to be able to deal with the perils of the Warp but after them he can not allow himself to continue as that he always denied as a truth, rather he see`s such things as illusions and I doubt he wishes to remain a phantom in his own mind.
Inquisitor the battle for the Emperor's soul was a GW 72mm game from that was about this subject, There was 2 different factions of the inquisition fighting to either keep or free the Emperor
Im just throwing this out there for fun. How about a new pantheon of Gods that fights against the ruinous powers. Ynnead, The Emperor, Gork, and Mork? Maybe throw in the new Tau god and or Cegorach? I think it would be kind of interesting to see these powerful beings interact and fight Chaos together. Especially Gork and Mork and Cegorach. Not saying this needs to happen but Im just curious what you guys think?
He possessed Bobby G what’s to stop him from possessing others or other things? Maybe a Castigator or Psytitan. Could you imagine the overwhelming power of those weapons with him taking control for a bit?
I wonder if the Necrons might end up not only making a formal alliance with the Imperium, but might also be asked (or NOT asked) to put their unique understanding of cybernetics, time, and immortality to use restoring the Emperor, the no longer understood or fixable mechanism that is the golden throne (maybe adding those handy antiwarp pilons that held the eye shut fast from dearly departed Cadia in some form), if not BOTH. The thought of a risen Master of Mankind with mastery of War craft AND the technology of the Necrons gives ME the chills. Perhaps they would be used to block out the warp while the Emperor dies and is reborn, something impossible until then because of that moment of extreme vulnerability to Chaos he'd have had without a way to block them out between his death and reincarnation.
There may be two versions of the Emperor now. There will be the warp entity created by worship, and then the original psycher we know. The Emp may in fact be holding back the warp entity, which could be something more akin to a chaos god.
I could see Bobby G and Cawl getting something like the armor set up and attempting to bring it to the palace only to be met with The Ten Thousand. Who would probably see this as an attempt to bind Big E Money to the service of Bobby G or Cawl and shut that shit down fast.
Here's some tension potential. The Emperor has awoken, his psychic presence within the warp bolstered, while his body remains broken and infirm. As his mind strengthens and a thousand fractured pieces mend, his brilliance and glory burst forth into the warp, as Slannesh once did millenia ago. Yet rather than consume and gorge and destroy, the Emperors presence bolsters too mankind. As the immortal God Emperor of Mankind marches upon the fortresses of the warp, in real space his armies surge forward with renewed vigor. Dead heroes and champions return as his saints, his golden light crowning his own daemons. And yet, in exchange for all this, his body falters even more. For him to become a God, his flesh must die. Guilliman sees his father faltering, and begins in earnest to restore his body, to return him to Mankind. Deep within his laboratories, Cawl and his greatest allies labor to craft an armor capable of reviving the Emperor, and with forbidden help from the Eldar, comes fruit. Slowly, but promising. Still, the Presence of the Emperor persists in the warp. The fields of Nurgle burn and evaporate before his wrath. The pleasure halls of Slaanesh are sundered and broken. The blood soaked armies upon the fields of Khornes' throne are slaughtered and cleansed and then broken upon the will of the Emperor. Here, the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights bows before his Lord. The Father and the Son turn their gaze towards the labyrinthine palace of Tzeentch, and his whispers invite them and promise knowledge. They shall offer no secrets, and be only wiped from reality and beyond. And yet, as the threat of Chaos wanes upon the inevitable, it is finished. As the walls of the last bastion are torn asunder, the Emperors corpse is treated and brought back to health. As Tzeentch and the Emperor cross blade and staff, his body is fitted with a golden plate ripped from the throne itself. At the moment he raises his sword to strike at Tzeentchs' battered essence, the armor is activated. On the cusp of victory, the Emperor is awakened, his presence and mind ripped from the warp, and his eyes open. The Emperor is reborn, at the cost of ultimate victory.
Considering that the Emperor is essentially acting as a slammed shut door to the Chaos gate that Magnus opened during the heresy. The change in the emporer's behavior could very well be due to the corruption of Chaos itself. Consider that all the while the emperor is seated on the golden throne the ruinous powers are constantly beating at his back. Being a perpetual or not the emperor is still human, powerful yes but still human and only one human at that. Considering how long he's been keeping Chaos at bay there is no doubt that it's taking a toll on him and the change from the man he was to the "god" he now his is a result of that toll. Maybe Roboute knows this, in fact his father could have told him of that inevitability during his days long meeting with his father and now with the eventuality that Roboute has been warned about coming all the more closer he's trying to find a way to prevent it even though it might already be too late, Though I don't necessarily blame Roboute for dragging his feet because he has to consider his priorities to, like trying to close Magnus's chaos gate before the Emperor could be revived if it can even be closed.
Honestly i dont why so many people go on about Guilliman, and Imperium Secundus. He made Sanguinius Emporer, or Imperator Regis, and Lion the Lord Protector, which is basically Warmaster. He's proven time and time again that he's loyal. Guilliman out of any of the primarchs, save for the Lion maybe, could pull off a rebellion. He had the largest, most organized legion, that never to my knowledge had any mutinous inclinations. Lastly, in what universe, logically, does upholding the commandments of the Imperial truth, not acting in the interest of the Emporer. (Besides the whole people pray 🙏 and their thoughts and feelings make you powerful 🙏
I always perfered the original hints of the emperor being a weapon forged during the dark age of technology. It would have left some room for a tyrannical AI tie in. But they went the ancient being route in the novels and that made me sad.
Big E comes back but not the same, the necrons wake, Orks have their prophet and a waagh like never before seen, Bobby G has the Ultramar, Farsight goes Horace, Shadowsun takes control after failing to defend the Etherial, Dark Eldar keep doing them, Nids take a massive loss but alerts even more hive fleets, the Ynnari become the craftworlds (all of them left) unifying force trying to retrive/avenge their fallen gods, Chaos is supercharged by all the new fights and having a 5th god on a golden throne. Boom. You got Warhammer 50k
As I see it the biggest problem with bringing Big E back is that they'd have to do massive power leaps for every antagonist in the setting to keep pace. With primarchs it's one thing; you just bring back more traitor primarchs to set the scales, but the Emperor? They'd have to do some wacky shit for that to balance out, and I DEEPLY worry what that'd do to the setting. It already got mildly cheesy with the massive overnight, out of the blue lore power jump with the primaris and all their tau-like fancy wargear. They managed to balance that out a little bit with books and galactic level threats, but if they keep doing this it could quickly spiral out of control.
Thing is, there's 5 ways I know of to get the Emperor back into action. And some are sure things if the attempt is allowed to start. #1 - Iffy but possible. Fabius Bile's mastery of cloning is pretty much up to match the Emperor's now. He also knows how to make a device to seamlessly transfer minds and souls. Finally, his loyalty is to his research and his own survival, not the ruinous powers. So he could be convinced. #2 - Difficult to initiate, but probably a sure thing. Azhek Ahriman can wield effectively any magic ever known at this point, and has multiple greater daemons bound that could be used as fuel. He also is not actually a chaos marine, as he is more 'wrong place, wrong time, trying to deal with the horrible hand he was dealt'. If the Eldar gave him the info on Tzeentch that would let him be free of Magnus' geas, and the emperor would restore the rubric marines to life, Ahriman would be unlikely to hesitate in weaving a healing spell of power that could only be bested by Isha, Nurgle, or Tzeentch directly...and Tzeentch may even help, because the Emperor returning would monkeywrench /everyone/, and Tzeentch loves that stuff. #3 - Unlikely, but possible and kinda funny. Faith. The Word Bearers created the Imperial Cult, and the fanaticism they so carefully crafted has led to God-Emperor, saints, and seemingly, the Legion of the Damned. If that faith grows enough, and in the right direction, it could heal the Emperor, meaning that ultimately Lorghar undid Horus' greatest work. #4 - Unlikely, but if initiated, a sure thing. Isha. If enough of her strength can get out of nurgle's playroom now, as a goddess of life, she is uniquely suited. She may be restrained by being the goddess of ELDAR life, but I'm certain there are workarounds that could be used...even if they come back to #2 as a means. After all, if she fed Ahriman the knowledge to do it, the Emperor getting up could swiftly smack down Magnus and force Nurgle to regroup (letting Isha escape at last). They would both gain, so it's far from impossible. #5 - Potentially the easiest to negotiate, /IF/ you could get the imperium to allow it. The Dark Eldar could bring him back without any real effort since his soul is still attached to the body and they don't have to rip it out of the hands of the pervgod with raw science. Oddly, this method is the one /least/ likely to be objectionable to the emperor, as it's just science, no spells involved, and the Dark Eldar aren't traitors to him.
I doubt there is any chance at all that anyone in the imperium would trust dark eldar to go anywhere near the golden throne and emperors soul. Trapping emperors soul and all the power it comes with in a spirit stone would be a wet dream.
@@combomaster666 Remember, the Drucharii can't use soulstones and such. To mess with his soul, they'd have to keep /him/. And they'd be far better served getting him back on his feet to force Slaanesh onto the defensive. Getting him up and moving again, for them, would be about like fixing up Khaine. May well murder them, but will certainly make the pervgod cry.
The Emperor made him, soul body and armor anew ^^ Godblight was a very good read ! "Impossible" ... "The power pack of the armor began to mumbling again" ... 👌🎉
I do not know if they will ever bring the Emperor back, that might be a bridge too far. But, if they do, that could be the setting for one of the most depressing moments in the lore. The first time he and Guilliman speak in private now that the Primarch knows where he stands in the Emperor's eyes. I mean publicly they will embrace, father and son, but in private they will acknowladge that that that bond is gone. With Guilliman saying that he will serve the Emperor, but that he no longer considers himself his son and the Emperor saying that for his plans that will suffice, kinda like what he said to Angron. It would be even worse if the other loyalist Primarchs return. Leman served as the Emperor's executioner and possibly killed two of his brothers for the Emperor and told a Custodies that the Primarchs had a special bond with the Emperor. He would now realize that he had killed out of devotion for someone who saw him as an attack dog and possibly nothing else. It would also not help his, over inflated, ego to remember what he told the Custodies and imagine them laughing at him behind his back. They might even, though I doubt it, ask the question. If he is not truly their father, are they truly brothers? I think many of them would feel betrayed and hurt; they might still serve, but the family will have been broken.
i can see all the Primarchs still alive returning alongside the Emperor but they all join under Gulliman ans Gulliman is offically regonized as their Warmaster/New Emperor and the Emperor himself is on his own he has literally none of his Original Generals or their respective chapters/legions left. this means the Emperor has to either grovel at their feet for once. or he has to learn how to utilize his normal human generals and subordinates.
If they ever bring him back as a fully fledged model, it will probably be in an eldar avatar sense, his "psychic manifestation" fighting alongside custodes or something.
what i would actually really like is for the Emperor to recreate/resurrect Horus from oblivion. that's be an awesome storyline to see a reborn Horus redeem himself by helping Gulliman save humanity. just imagine the character development. or maybe a reversed heresy storyline where the Chaos gods resurrect Sanguinius/create a corrupted and twisted version of him and the Emperor (basically being a chaos god of a kind himself) brings Horus back to fight him.
One problem before you can bring back the Emperor is to seal the Chaos Gate inside the Throne Room. Gilliman needs the Emperor to prevent a civil war with the religious factions of Terra. Maybe Magnus can help with a redemption arch in closing the Gate he created. Perhaps when it is revealed that Horus corrupted the orders from the Emperor to the Space Wolves which led the burning of Prospero...
Capture and contain Magnus , no idea how Alderi / Big E / Warp shenanigans , stick him on the Golden throne , Astronomican sorted , revive Emp at lesiure
What if.. Guilliman was told when he met with the Emperor, how to bring back the other primarchs? The golden throne does act as a beacon and a lighthouse. What better device to bring back his brothers? Wherever they may be.
is there any reason gw cant update/move forward the lore too much? I mean its a big universe they could always just release their stuff based what happened in between?
Not a theory or prediction but just what I think could make for a rather epic narrative... If you consider the actions accredited to the emperor as being caused by the emperors soul forming a new god like being which was influenced by the thousands of years or worship and then Guilliman were to resurrect the body and mind of the emperor proper, well there isn't much reason to assume that new god would just go away nor that it would in the long run even align with the reborn emperor... in other words you could end up with a war between the emperor and himself.
There have been stories of this. Factions of the Gray Knights hunting the descendants of the Emperor. Some factions for protection others for destruction...
I think if the emperor does come back, the most interesting thing about that scenario is the conversations he would have with the people around him and how he views the cult of his own religion
The Emperors presence alone would shatter any doubts in the hearts of man- and bring terror back to Chaos. He would need to remain on Terra; but due to his newfound power; he may just welcome a new breed of Adeptus to the fold. Something he'd been working on for ten thousand years.
"The man that was", is no more. No matter what happens, a return to flesh would not be a return of the man he was, he's been through too much, seen and learned too much. Honestly, imo, the only option would be for the Emperor to ascend. He would pass from the physical form on the throne through the Warp gate and close it behind him. No doubt, some kind of warning would be given to the necessary parties in the palace to clear it, as an action like that would cause significant damage. Once risen, the Emperor is powerful enough to go toe to toe with the Chaos gods and in the Warp is the only place he can fight them directly. Once he's done all he can, he can return to Terra in a physical form, without loosing any potency. He is a god after all. As for Isha and the Tree of Life, iirc, Russ is also there looking for it and may have become trapped there. When the Emperor burned Nurgles Garden, it most likely opened the door for Russ and Isha to escape to real space.
The revival of the Emperor would mark the beginnings of the end of the entire 40k story, because if you have the Emp getting up from the Golden Throne, you have to have the End Times happen soon after that, or even during. I don't think that GW would put their money-maker in any sort of position of being permanently ended anytime soon, or even for a few decades. They would have to have a massive restructuring of how they work as a company or even just go bankrupt before they would be willing to give any sort of official end to the massive plotlines like the prospect of the End Times that the whole narrative is structured around.
all it would take is substituting soething on the golden throne while he rebirthed. if he came back the direction would be back again. hed likely find a way to put something else there or someone else so he could do whatever. or maybe rule from the throne. the emperor being alive and giving humanity direction is what wh40k needs really.
In my opinion I'm feeling the only way that the Emperor could return would be in an arc that ends with the Emperor having no choice but to return to the golden throne for the Betterment, Safety and Security of the entire Imperium. Of course such an arc would not be easy to make work and make sense as well as to not contradict with the existing lore. but I'm feeling that it would be one of the only ways (at least I'm my mind) that the Emperor could return to the Galaxy and the Imperium. But that's just my take on things
It would be interesting if a pet cemetery kind of thing happens and The Emperor's return he isn't what he seems which leads to another imperial civil war with the primarchs vs the emperor
If the emperor does come back onto the mortal plane he would not be able to continue as he is in the warp. Either he sacrifices the gains he has made/is making in his warp battle with the gods or he convinces Guilliman to keep him on the golden throne as is but try and rescue Magnus. Magnus needs to be brought into the fold. I see it being a case of the Big E telling Guilliman to strike a deal with the Eldar to go off and search for pieces of Magnus and try to summon him to put him back together again. Without Magnus there’s no hope for the Big E making a physical return.
Presently reading Galaxy in Flames. 3rd of the heresy series. Here and in the previous book, chaos discusses with Horus aspects of the Emporer having designs on ascending to God hood. Indeed, chaos' word is untrusting, chaos used this apperent big aspiration to turn horus. Amongst other things. Was chaos telling the truth? Is chaos manipulating the Emporer? Was euphrati keeler's ascent to sainthood a chaos machination? Where did keeler's powers come from? This is pretty much irony, guilleman who broke the word bearers for Thier worship of the Emporer now is a great big irony of the lore. Will the contempt of religion become contempt of the big e? Will there be contempt for guilliman!?
I mean Lorgar was probably contemplating for 10 thousand years because he recieved news that the book about his father is now the hottest selling fanfic in the whole galaxy.
There is no dimension called time in the warp. She was channeling the power of the God Emperor who was yet to be created by humanity but already existed in the warp for eternity.
If they restore the Emperor the only thing they would accomplish is restoring his humanity and physical health. But the Emperor would not leave the Golden Throne by any means. It just means he will be able to communicate and give further orders more accurately. For those thinking he would be back on the battlefield, this can't happen because the Emperor's psychic power is at the greatest level its ever been. Without him, no one can traverse space and the Deamons would attempt harder to storm Terra from the Throne room. He has to stay there. Granted I would love to see him restored as he can finally have more interesting interactions.
Emp is very different entity nowadays. He is a warp god or godlike warp entity for sure, i don't think, if he really returns, he returns in a material way.
What I wish will happen is that they make an emperor magnet which will draw in the fragments of his soul and there is just Gillumen flying through the warp being chased by literally everything lol
I don't think malcador should be brought back (that would negate his sacrifice) but a new sigilite is exactly what the setting needs. Best to make it a young man that is a foil to the readers understanding of the characters surrounding them. It would even be convient to make it a blood relative of malcs shadowed secretly by a custodes.
Isn't he actively holding back a warp rift from cinsuming terra So in thoerey he could come back/have his body magically healed somehow with warp spaghetti And would be confined to the throne still Inless he tries to then redeem magnus or something
@wolflord rho. Awesome Video AS Always. But please give us your own space wolve successor chapter With some Story Background you once metioned that you want to create one.
It's fun speculation, but with regards to Guilliman actively attempting anything to get Big E back in the ring, with the current lore where it is I don't see it as even remotely viable. Also the story line for Valdor (or at least his possible return) has alot more potential to have Emperor changing ramifications than anything Guilliman will attempt. The big thing to consider with Guilliman is that he has so much that needs to be done directly that he really doesn't have time to sit on Terra. This fact combined with the fact that the Custodes won't let him compromise the security of the Emperor without the Emperor's direct authorization (meaning that the Emperor communicates with them psychically) also would kill off any concept of Guilliman forcing the Emperor into being reborn. I also don't see Cawl being brought into this situation by Guilliman either. While Cawl does serve at the pleasure of the primarch he is obsessed with his personal projects, and in many cases, is actively ducking Guilliman to keep pushing his goals forward. He hates to be chained down and while he is as ambitious as the Emperor himself in many ways, I don't see Cawls story arch getting shifted that direction (Please give us a new Cawl book soon!). Ultimately, I think the videos you did some months ago about progressing after God Blight are more akin to the direction the lore will take. Guilliman needs to progress into the next major offensive to reclaim territory, and another Primarch is sure to make an appearance whether that is Fulgrim, Perturabo, or the, at this point so over delayed people are losing interest in the setup, Lion El' Johnson. The setting currently is perfect for the Lion to be the release as the lore regarding the dark angels massing in Imperium Nihilus won't provide a betting setting for his reintroduction, especially as Dante is currently still just getting Baal established as the governmental center for the region, and travel is severely limited which keeps him and the Blood Angels in slowly expanding box for a while. (Please give us another Dante/Mephiston book soon as well)
They don’t do it and said they wouldn’t every have the emperor leave the golden throne because the golden throne is imperative to the setting. As a huge publicly traded companies they aren’t willing to take risks like that
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He'd still be pinned to the Golden Throne. No one else can sit on the throne to defend the Chaos Gate Magnus opened.
all those millenia, to think no -one thought to get grey knights or other astartes librarians to help with fighting the warp portal. or turned a bunch of Culexus Assassin heads into guns to just antimatter all the daemons apart.
@@TheKlink the portal itself is guarded eternally by custodes. What the emperor is fighting is the rip in the web way that magnus tore open. And that's just a portion of his power.
Magnus was designed to sit on the throne, eternally happy and revered by the people.
@@jimnpen8451 and all he had to do was USE THE FUCKING PHONE
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My therory is that when the Emp burned Nurgle's domain, some damage was done to Isha's cage. Isha's rebirth/release can lead to the big E being awoken.
That's one of my theories.
Eldrad Ulthran has been supporting Roboute's efforts. He even sent a representative, Illyanne Natase, to advise Roboute during the Indomitus Crusade and Plaguewars in Ultramar. It is possible that the plan that Roboute came up with to defeat Mortarion and attack Nurgle's Garden was influenced by Natase.
So, what do the Craft World Eldar get out if this? As noted, Nurgle's Garden is now damaged. Could this be an initial strike to set the stage for a rescue mission? Perhaps.
@@Timasion This is just because Roboute likes big titty eldar girlfriends much like his father. They may be arrogant but imagine their experience paired with eldar agility...The big E is a man of taste and culture after all and so is his favorite smurf.
@@Fackeldackel Yes, that's Roboute's motivation. But what were the Eldar's. ;)
If that happen then wtf russ doing this whole time, russ looking for tree of life for the emperor revival.
Dude that could be the eldari real intentions
I can't speak for others and how long they've been into 40k, I have been around since the mid 90's and I never thought I'd see any Primarch come back. I don't see why Big E can't come back, there's only so much you can do in regards to the storyline keeping it as it was. Everything was breaking and degenerating and it needs something to push it forward again before humanity regresses back in to Old Night.
@Scott Walklate me to, I was shocked when they actually moved the story on! firstly with bringing back a primarch and more recently, the emperor awakening.
also been into 40k since 1993-94. And i share you view. =)
@@dimwitsixtytwelve the trouble is they teased us when they did the Horus Heresy series and gave Primarchs personalities. People have probably emailed them about them coming back.
@@Brissebrajan I was a little later in 94-95 my first year of high school. The lads I went with played Warhammer, I saw 40k and I was hooked straight away.
@@mrw1783 I think you may be right and as much as I enjoy reading about them, I do feel sorry for newcomers to 40k because now it’s all laid out for them. When I was a kid (back in my day!) I remember you got a few small sentences/paragraphs on the primarchs and they were essentially legends to the imperial citizens. That really left me wondering and imagining wtf were they like? I know that’s a contradictory statement but it is good to not tell everything I feel.
I think if they were to bring him back to the mortal coil they would have to nerf him, like the majority of his soul would still act as the bullwork against chaos/acting as the astronomican. This would leave him with his healed mortal body with the psycker power comparable to pre- tricking chaos gods into giving him power. This would stop him from just steam rolling the galaxy again and have to work more-so on his sons levels. granted he'd still roll anyone in a fight. I dunno, I dont know everything about the lore and am just basing this off of what I know/remember.
The idea that he would be incarnated into a new mortal form is a bit... unimaginative in my opinion. I envision him ascending into the Avatar of humanity. He should become the warp god of order, to act as the balance for Chaos.
Considering Chaos is responsible for the events of the story it only makes sense to me.
@@jamesespinosa690 I suppose it would be easier to take that final step into complete god good rather than “step down” into a new body. I just hope gw doesn’t do some dumb shit
Maybe he'd have to confront each son to regain that special 'part' of him
@@Igneelzidius actually goated idea, maybe not like taking away from them but copying or relearning the parts he put into each of them
@@kevinbeefchips I recently got into the lore and realize now my idea isn't new at all lol. Next time
Guilliman was also warned that if the Emperor ever got off the throne, it might not be the same person as he knew in the crusade, let alone have the same intentions.
The Emperor's sole goal has always been the salvation of mankind. It is not Guilliman's right, or even his place, to question the God Emperor. His duty, as it ever was and as it ever will be, is to bend the knee and obey.
@@elgerifico I dunno, his attitude in the books doesn’t point to him doing this. He very much isn’t happy with the emperor like the traitor legions.. he just won’t abandon mankind like they did. My interpretation At least of it.
@@elgerifico True, but what Guiliman is loyal to is the ideas the emperor put forward during the crusade and the unification of humanity, The Emperor was the best and only way to achieve it, but Guiliman believes in The Imperial Truth, no gods, only men, and he's seen what Lorgar has done at the behest of gods, and what the impirium has turned into because of the worship of gods, he may try to revive the emperor so the Impirial Truth can take hold once more as his father had wished it to be all those millennia ago.
@@amandakoeppel7580 what books please tell me where can i buy them/read them online i've been trying to find where these youtube creators got the lore from
@@delano6572 the three books where most of this lore comes from are the 3 dark imperium books. Dark Imperium, plague war and godblight. I listened to them all on audible. Possibly available in actual book form on Amazon but not sure.
The only way they are going to follow through on a rebirth of the Emperor is if they go forward with an End Times scenario. Frankly, I don't trust GW to do justice to that sort of story arc.
They won't go the End Times route with a successful game backed by a successful backdrop. Warhammer Fantasy was a completely dead game; despite the massive support GW gave it in 7th and 8th edition, sales were tanking, turnout for events was an all-time low (and steadily declined for 10 straight years), and people at-large were done with the medieval-based fantasy on the tabletop after the LotR bubble. End Times happened because, despite their efforts to revitalize the game (new rules, rapid book releases, lower prices on new kits - yup, it happend), it continued to shrink. Plus, the fluff was horridly unoriginal, stolen directly from Earth's maps and poor-man's Tolkien, cherry-picked from all over history so it didn't feel cohesive, and the forums even had no activity. AoS has since sold more in 5 years than WHFB did in its previous 25 combined, and the tournaments are sold-out at every event, even during covid. 40k is enormously successful and enjoying it's most successful run in the hobby's history. It has bled into the mainstream and become commonplace on the tongues of people across different genres, and even celebrities. Their IP is sought after everywhere. Besides, we already had an "End Times" equivalent in 40k with the Gathering Storm series; Guilliman being brought back and the giant rift tearing across the galaxy, and the same rules from 3rd to 7th finally getting a full-scale reboot with all armies starting back at zero. The only way a truly End Times event happens in 40k is if 40k is suddenly a dying game as the (thankfully dead) WHFB was.
There can be no End Times ... in SPAAAAAACE
@@MrFallenone There can be no end time because MONEEEEEY!
@@saltedllama2759 The problem was that their rules were incredibly complicated and overwhelming. And that the newer editions only made things worse.
Fantasy was ruined the moment the brought in pre measuring, and made it so your models could still attack even if the front rank of your unit was wiped out.
That and that it had to compete with 40k, which has always been a much easier game to get into and start playing on a small scale.
Oh, and because state education gets worse and worse as time goes by, there was no interest amongst the youth for history. And it was fans of historical warfare that truly were the fans of Fantasy.
I pray every night to the God Emperor that GW does not End Times 40k. It would break my fragile little heart if they do.
First, we do not know if this is the first time that the Emperor spoke. During the Age of Apostasy, the Emperor may have spoken to Alicia Dominica. No one knows what happened there.
Second, in my opinion, the Emperor did not possess Guilliman. While he was in the Garden of Nurgle, there are none of the characteristics of possession. Typically, the possessed lose all memory of the event and the Emperor speak in the first person, such as when he possessed Malcador during *Deliverance Lost*. Guilliman still spoke in the first person and remembered all the events.
There are three possibilities. First, Guilliman's own psychic power is being manifested. While he claims that he has no such gifts, all primarchs are born of the warp and have some connection. He thinks it's the Emperor, but it's really his.
Second, Guilliman is able to channel the Emperor's power. Guilliman, by focusing on the Emperor's sword, he can channel the Emperor's power. "The sword is the key. Draw on your father's power or die" said Natase. When Mortarion felt the power flow through the warp, that was Guilliman drawing on it.
Third, despite all appearances, this is the Emperor. But why would he not announce himself?
Personally, I think that Guilliman has learned how to draw on the Emperor's power and focus it.
Guilliman fears what's on the throne. Keep in mind that Guilliman's relationship with the Emperor is at a rocky point. "He is not my father" did Roboute proclaimed. Roboute does not trust what is on the throne any ore (if he actually did before).
I don’t know much about the lore so I watch these videos and thanks for the comment. Your insight helped.
Yeah, I’m leaning towards Guilliman being able to channel the Emperor’s power, and I’m of the opinion that while Guilliman respected and loved the Emperor during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, he was always more loyal to the people of Imperium and the Emperor’s dream than to the guy himself. Even long before the Heresy, he was thinking of possibilities for if the Emperor should die and how the Imperium would continue in his absence, something I think that few of the Primarchs ever dared to even briefly consider. And he’s one of the Primarchs that, in my and others opinions, if faced with the choice of saving humanity or the Emperor- or even of killing the latter to save the former-he would choose humanity every time.
I want Bile to finally figure it out and make a clone of the Big E. Only to have the Big E take control of it.
Like others have said, the mortal coil would need to be drastically reduced in power.
Sounds like a perfect idea for Emperor TTS to be honest 😅
If it happens I fear we might get an end times scenario and most likely end with a sigmar-ish remnant of 40k.
That's an illogical thought process. End Times happened because Warhammer Fantasy was an absolutely dead game with completely unoriginal/stolen fluff from Tolkien and earth/not-earth. Age of Sigmar has also been more successful in 5 short years in terms of sales and tournament participation than Warhammer Fantasy was in the previous 25, and has completely original fluff that keeps improving. Warhammer 40k (and GW), on the other hand, is enjoying its most successful run in its history. 40k isn't going anywhere. It's more like the MCU where it opens all kinds of (unlikely) doors like these so there are possibilities to go in any direction, and leave the fans talking.
@@saltedllama2759 I understand your reasoning, my train of thought was mainly the lore is bring great changes to the setting. Much like the resurrection of Bobby G, and the Fallen gathering in mass.
bringing big E back is just a complete win just imagine the new scope of waht the empiruim could do if he returned at the tecnological level they would start getting back to the golden age of humanity
Although a nice thought experiment, the Emperor being a corpse in the golden throne is as much an integral part of Warhammer as oversized gun and shoulder pauldrons
Yes, but I could be down with a walking corpse... That fools everyone present with psyker bullshittery. But I don't expect them to be any more grimdark than already stablished.
hello, inquisition911? Yes there is one here speaking HERESY about the God Emperor's Holy Bolter😱
There is great lore before the throne too… perhaps we can have a big flash forward of some kind and have a world where the emperor has some outcome or presence. Much like how we distinguish 30k from 40k… warhammer 50k? Kek
@@Scribe333 I think it will eventually might happen, if the cow's milk shows signs of drying out. Not soon, clearly.
Eh, I don't believe that. People think a bit too narrowly on what a return of the Emperor would look like. I think he will simply ascend and join the big 4 in the warp as the god Order, his power now fully unleashed he would probably just seal the breach in the palace and that could fix that issue.
The emperor being more powerful because of the 10 thousand years of hundreds of trillions has me thinking. If belief shapes the warp than what if the beliefs about the emperor changed him not just in power but in identity and character. Power in of itself changes, but the beliefs of the people must be altering the emperor even more fundamentally. Maybe that's why papa smurf was a bit weirded out about the emperor when they reunited.
If every webway rout to the Terran gate could be sealed off, the doomsday device would be unnecessary. Grey Knights and Custodians collaborating with the Ynnari, Harlequins, and Asurianni anyone?
*Being screwed over by the Ynnari, Harlequins, and Asurianni for trespassing in the end.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 Not necessarily. Hindering Chaos benifits.
@@UncleMikeDrop The Aeldari operate exclusively out of necessity. During the Great Crusades humanity became an extinction level event for the 40k Elves. Infact there is a non-zero chance that the Aeldari evacuated the Webway cities around Terra after the Emperor's arrival during Unification just because they knew it would ultimately undermine his efforts and give the Aeldari breathing room as a race. Aeldari are weird like that.
Not really.
Custodes, Grey Knighrs, Ynnari, Harlequins, and the Eldar are limited.
Chaos is LITERALLY limitless and infinite in their numbers... it would just be a matter of time before they all die... look at what happened to the 10k when they tried to hold a single gate?
Chaps cant be stopped by sheer numbers
@@adrienwatson2179 Actually, "really" is what gets them, everytime. They are limitless within the Warp, yes. But they are nothing outside of the Warp, this is why all the Daemon Primarchs are very Flash-In-The-Pan; they know they can't do much while in reality. The sacrifice of 10k for the gate was literally dismissed with the closing of the Emperor's hand. Aeldari knew this for millions of years, and stayed well enough away. Now, here comes humanity, exterminating the last of your endangered species. If the Aeldari didn't want the outcome of the Webway project to happen the way it did; they were literally in the best position to stop it, but didn't.
there is an enormous potential for development here: from my (probably poor) understanding there is a convergence in the making: Valdor as the king in yellow.. Russ with the tree of life.. traitor primach already on the loose.. Guilliman the only (for now?) loyal primarch on the job.. if we think of what can happen "in game" there must be half a million possible development BUT from a business standpoint GW has a potential goldmine at hand.. what we know of mr. Big E? just speculation.. was he really born as a result of a mass suicide of potent shamans? are the shard that guilliman felt the soul of each and every one of them? GW can create a whole series of book on the Emperor, from the birth of time to the first of those shaman that "felt" something.. to the "rite" that made the big. E possible, to a "voyage through time" where the being that will become the Emperor witnessed the event of real human history (like, hey, mr. big E, what about American Civil War, or WWI or WWII or anything else GW may want to deal with).. then the mr. E in the 10th millennium.. in the 20th.. and all other milestone that brought to the creation of primarch, legions, custodes.. each of those "milestones" may be pivotal in a long series of books, boxsets and even TV series, movies or whatever! just think, on a wider scale, to the books that we got not so long ago that brought back the Custodes..
The big thing that Really needs to happen is for Big E to be healed to the point of not requiring sacrificed psychers and him being able to communicate directly with the Imperium
I like the idea of having shards of the emperor (yes TTS style), so he’s still on the golden throne but you can also play him on the tabletop.
Is it possible that the Emperor burned the garden in order to release Isha? If she were set free would she have the power to resurrect the Emperor? (Or better yet would she resurrect the Emperor?)
Fear of what the Emperor has become is a good motive.
The Emperor of 30k would hate the Emperor of 40k.
Probably.
I like the idea that the Emperor - himself (possibly) composed of multiple souls - has become shattered on the spiritual level by his millions of deaths.
In his weakened state, the beliefs of his followers have increased his power, but it is effectively shared between his multiple overlapping personalities.
All of his personalities seek to defeat Chaos, but how they view the Primarchs, the Imperium & humanity differs. Some of these personalities are fatherly and benevolent. Others are tyrannical - demanding that humanity serves him.
The Emperor of 30k would hate the Emperor of 40k.
But would it be your fault if your family put you in life support, why would you hate yourself if so? It's not your fault. And taking you off that bed means the world ends. Oh then people start worshipping you too - still why don't you just tell them to stop? What's that? You can't? But somehow it's still all your fault, and apparently the you from 10 years ago would really hate the current you for doing all these things that are completely out of your control/want/decision.
@@elcruzador3795 Well I suppose Black Library keeps everything ambiguous, but the way I'd look at it:
30k Emps hated warp entities. 40k Emps is a warp entity.
30k Emps hated possession. 40k Emps possesses people.
30k Emps deplored religious human sacrifice. 40k Emps lives off human sacrifice.
30k Emps didn't care that the Chaos gods had no choice in being chaos entities that fed off the souls of material beings. He didn't care about the fact that the peoples subject to externinatus, had not chosen where they were born.
It is not a case of one being good, and the other being evil. They're both pretty terrible. But 40k Emps is the embodiment of everything 30k Emps would have wiped out without a second thought.
@@Niall001 I was less thinking of good and evil but more pragmatic with the 'he can't do anything about it' point. But what you say is, I'm sure, what GW meant for the narrative to be and those conflicting points just serve to provide more ambiguousness as you say.
I think there needs to be a civil war first, then once the chaos gods are even stronger than now, he could come back. It would require vulkan back too, due to the device. The issue is that the setting would need to remain grimdark. The only way it could when he returns is if he returns right before humanity's destruction.
I don't think the Emperor coming back as a physical being would be in humanity's best interest. No god is able to fully manifest in the material universe. It's this lack of seeing him do things like people that makes "faith" true. If faith goes away, he won't be as powerful. He must stay a warp presence, a true god. At least until the Chaos gods are defeated
He was doing pretty well before... he only accepted the worship to stop the chaos gods from misusing the faith of humanity. The siege of Terra and the infiltration of the early imperial cult shows this perfectly.
@@MrFallenone Yeah but that was before. It wouldn't work now that the Imperial creed has evolved and been entrenched. His manifestations have way more meaning to me
Jaq Draco is still technically canon as well, and the fact that he managed to make it into his presence, and even speak to Him, unseen, by the custodes would imply that the Emperor specifically hid him from their sight, would be a real good way to bring Draco&co the tabletop after 30 years
I think it shouldnt happen. It would change the setting too much. What I DO want to happen is the lion coming back as that might create a lot of new tension with gman
End Times, anyone?
If the emporer truly awakens, with godly power, I believe he will divide that power up and send it back from whence it came; to humanity itself, equally, to prove to all humanity once and for all that they do NOT need a god, and that faith in themselves is all the more powerful.
"ABOUT FRAKKING TIME"
somewhere in the palace, a high ranking member of the Custodes sneezes. He can't shake the feeling that there was something he was supposed to do, but the opportunity passed.
If anything it seems the Dark imperium trilogy closed the book on the Emperor coming back in a Mortal Body as he has completely left the mortal plane for good
How about cloning a Primarch body to serve as a vessel for the Rmperor? No need for a Primarch if a fragment of the Emperor inhabits the cloned body. Cloning Sanguinius would be ideal. This will never happen of course, but it's nice for casual musing.
Juuuust out of curiosity: Which part of the inquisition would have to be the one to burn the reborn Emperor? Would he more be considered to be a witch or a mutant? Not to forget, that he - if he insisted on his own teachings pre-corpse - would be a heretic...
But the more crispy part aside, I would love to see him reborn Slanesh-like, I mean he feasts on thousands of souls each day, so that would be fitting.
there was that story about that ultra-p[puritan slowly making their way towards terra.
Inquisition would be absolutely fucked if Emperor came back. Everything they do is the exact opposite of what he wanted, worshipping him as a god, stalling scientific research, pushing the imperium back into religious dark ages. Hundreds of millions of heads would roll if he came back.
@@combomaster666 who knows what it was ghat would be coming back
@@combomaster666 That is more the Ecclesiarchy. The Inquisition is just tortouring and burning people, mostly "Heretics", the mutant and the witch and with those things he is totaly fine, having done them himself.
Research is most limmited by the Tech-Priests and as someone, who routinely lied to others, so they don't get knwoledge, I don't see how he would have a right to complain.
I am not saying, he would be happy or anything, but not only has he become a god, I don't even think he would be totaly unpleased. What they are doing may not come from such an "enlightened" place, as his divine a..., but in general he never had a problem with lies, deception or deceit (looking at not telling Magnus or any other son the truth, creating and desposing the thunderwarriors, etc) or with mass-murder (thunderwarriors again, the psykers sacrificed for the first time, wehen they found out, how to do it).
No, I think he would have a stearn talk with the Ecclesiarc of the day, make a few cosmetic changes, so he feels in charge again and then return to mass-murdering in the name of his ego again.
Emps waking up would break the setting so hard 40k would need to be reworked like fantasy was into AoS. Would rather have the primarchs back
They could simply have him ascend to full godhood. I mean they have been heavily leading to him ascending anyway. Thanks to the rift and current events he's more powerful than he's ever been. The Emperor healing and leaving the throne doesn't mean he returns in gilded golden armour and stomps across the galaxy...
Well, they can't keep the setting "frozen" forever (because frankly nothing truly setting-shattering has happened since the Heresy! Yeah, I mean it, even the destruction of Cadia over all didn't change much! The Imperium is still fighting a losing battle, the decline however is slow and yes there's victories here but you can win every battle but it doesn't matter if you can't win the over all war!)...bringing Emps back would be a huge change and frankly it is needed! A totally hopeless setting does lose its luster after a while!
Not to dampen the mood, but let’s all just give our respect to those who unfortunately passed away before they could witness the Warhammer lore we’ve gotten in the past few years😔
i loved the cawl inferior's response to guilliman's question. there is no certainty that what would come off of that throne would be anything like what first sat upon it...and "all gods are a blight upon reality."
even though he didnt get a first hand experience of meeting the emperor like guilliman. he seems more interested in closing the great rift to keep ALL gods out of the materium not just chaos.
They could do it really, and not even force a real end times type scenario then and there. If he fully healed being a perpetual and even scienced some way to keep the golden throne working without him in it. That would just mean chaos would step up there game. The emperor is just one person, and there are 4 (ehh 5) chaos gods, hes still outnumbered and cant be everywhere at once. His primarch spear heads are gone but for one, though maybe he could find a few. It would take everything up to a whole new level and push things further towards an end war, but grim dark and galaxy wars just a monday. It could work. The bigger problem would be still trying to deny hes a god and his religion, as well as answering for some seriously bad parenting
I got into 40k in the early 2010s through the RPGs Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, and Rogue Trader. In our Deathwatch game, the GM made a book character one of the lost primarchs. I had left the game due to moving across the country, but when the reveal happened, all of the players just let the Primarch die/sacrifice himself because "reasons". It pissed me off so much because even in 2012, I saw the HUGE implications of having a loyalist Primarch (even a disgraced one returned) alive in the setting. The GM was setting up a "convince him to join the Imperium" moment, and the players just murder-hobo'd their way around it.
When Papa G-man came back, I felt 100% vindicated on my feelings. Granted I was playing an Ultramarine in that game so my character would have seen a Primarch (Even one of the lost ones) as a blessing with valuable information and insight.
So, seeing the Big E come back isn't too farfetched, in my mind. We've seen crazier things happen.
The Emperors own plan is likely to return to being a human being, he has had too juice up his power levels to be able to deal with the perils of the Warp but after them he can not allow himself to continue as that he always denied as a truth, rather he see`s such things as illusions and I doubt he wishes to remain a phantom in his own mind.
Urizen meanwhile kicking rocks while screaming, “WTF!”
Inquisitor the battle for the Emperor's soul was a GW 72mm game from that was about this subject, There was 2 different factions of the inquisition fighting to either keep or free the Emperor
PLEASE BRING HIM BACK, WE NEED HIM NOW MORE THAN EVER!
its GRIMDARK, not Safespace
@Bully maguire I'm a loyalist renegade Night Lord. Time to get in the forever box Mr. Maguire.
@@bluthammer1442 But he brings MORE WAR
I didn't realize edd was an imperial
Primarks first
Im just throwing this out there for fun. How about a new pantheon of Gods that fights against the ruinous powers. Ynnead, The Emperor, Gork, and Mork? Maybe throw in the new Tau god and or Cegorach? I think it would be kind of interesting to see these powerful beings interact and fight Chaos together. Especially Gork and Mork and Cegorach. Not saying this needs to happen but Im just curious what you guys think?
sounds like a saturday morning childrens cartoon scenario
He possessed Bobby G what’s to stop him from possessing others or other things? Maybe a Castigator or Psytitan.
Could you imagine the overwhelming power of those weapons with him taking control for a bit?
6:13 Is it the emperor that calm the warp or the unconscious power of Guilliman himself ?
He could not do it before during the heresy so no.
@@MrFallenone Of course he couldn't do it before the heresy, there was a religion in place at that time.
I wonder if the Necrons might end up not only making a formal alliance with the Imperium, but might also be asked (or NOT asked) to put their unique understanding of cybernetics, time, and immortality to use restoring the Emperor, the no longer understood or fixable mechanism that is the golden throne (maybe adding those handy antiwarp pilons that held the eye shut fast from dearly departed Cadia in some form), if not BOTH. The thought of a risen Master of Mankind with mastery of War craft AND the technology of the Necrons gives ME the chills. Perhaps they would be used to block out the warp while the Emperor dies and is reborn, something impossible until then because of that moment of extreme vulnerability to Chaos he'd have had without a way to block them out between his death and reincarnation.
There may be two versions of the Emperor now. There will be the warp entity created by worship, and then the original psycher we know. The Emp may in fact be holding back the warp entity, which could be something more akin to a chaos god.
I could see Bobby G and Cawl getting something like the armor set up and attempting to bring it to the palace only to be met with The Ten Thousand. Who would probably see this as an attempt to bind Big E Money to the service of Bobby G or Cawl and shut that shit down fast.
Last time I was this early the Thousands Sons weren't afraid of hoovers
Finally, something the thousand sons, and the space wolves can agree on 😂😂
Here's some tension potential.
The Emperor has awoken, his psychic presence within the warp bolstered, while his body remains broken and infirm.
As his mind strengthens and a thousand fractured pieces mend, his brilliance and glory burst forth into the warp, as Slannesh once did millenia ago. Yet rather than consume and gorge and destroy, the Emperors presence bolsters too mankind. As the immortal God Emperor of Mankind marches upon the fortresses of the warp, in real space his armies surge forward with renewed vigor. Dead heroes and champions return as his saints, his golden light crowning his own daemons. And yet, in exchange for all this, his body falters even more. For him to become a God, his flesh must die.
Guilliman sees his father faltering, and begins in earnest to restore his body, to return him to Mankind. Deep within his laboratories, Cawl and his greatest allies labor to craft an armor capable of reviving the Emperor, and with forbidden help from the Eldar, comes fruit. Slowly, but promising.
Still, the Presence of the Emperor persists in the warp. The fields of Nurgle burn and evaporate before his wrath. The pleasure halls of Slaanesh are sundered and broken. The blood soaked armies upon the fields of Khornes' throne are slaughtered and cleansed and then broken upon the will of the Emperor. Here, the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights bows before his Lord. The Father and the Son turn their gaze towards the labyrinthine palace of Tzeentch, and his whispers invite them and promise knowledge. They shall offer no secrets, and be only wiped from reality and beyond.
And yet, as the threat of Chaos wanes upon the inevitable, it is finished. As the walls of the last bastion are torn asunder, the Emperors corpse is treated and brought back to health. As Tzeentch and the Emperor cross blade and staff, his body is fitted with a golden plate ripped from the throne itself. At the moment he raises his sword to strike at Tzeentchs' battered essence, the armor is activated.
On the cusp of victory, the Emperor is awakened, his presence and mind ripped from the warp, and his eyes open.
The Emperor is reborn, at the cost of ultimate victory.
So close to a 100k can’t wait to see it
Emperor: *comes back to life*
Black Templars: *REEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
i am just about finished with the HH series...where do i start next to get moving towards current lore from the beginning?
Considering that the Emperor is essentially acting as a slammed shut door to the Chaos gate that Magnus opened during the heresy. The change in the emporer's behavior could very well be due to the corruption of Chaos itself. Consider that all the while the emperor is seated on the golden throne the ruinous powers are constantly beating at his back. Being a perpetual or not the emperor is still human, powerful yes but still human and only one human at that. Considering how long he's been keeping Chaos at bay there is no doubt that it's taking a toll on him and the change from the man he was to the "god" he now his is a result of that toll.
Maybe Roboute knows this, in fact his father could have told him of that inevitability during his days long meeting with his father and now with the eventuality that Roboute has been warned about coming all the more closer he's trying to find a way to prevent it even though it might already be too late, Though I don't necessarily blame Roboute for dragging his feet because he has to consider his priorities to, like trying to close Magnus's chaos gate before the Emperor could be revived if it can even be closed.
Honestly i dont why so many people go on about Guilliman, and Imperium Secundus. He made Sanguinius Emporer, or Imperator Regis, and Lion the Lord Protector, which is basically Warmaster. He's proven time and time again that he's loyal. Guilliman out of any of the primarchs, save for the Lion maybe, could pull off a rebellion. He had the largest, most organized legion, that never to my knowledge had any mutinous inclinations. Lastly, in what universe, logically, does upholding the commandments of the Imperial truth, not acting in the interest of the Emporer. (Besides the whole people pray 🙏 and their thoughts and feelings make you powerful 🙏
They need to find the "men of stone" to forge him a new body!
I always perfered the original hints of the emperor being a weapon forged during the dark age of technology. It would have left some room for a tyrannical AI tie in. But they went the ancient being route in the novels and that made me sad.
Big E comes back but not the same, the necrons wake, Orks have their prophet and a waagh like never before seen, Bobby G has the Ultramar, Farsight goes Horace, Shadowsun takes control after failing to defend the Etherial, Dark Eldar keep doing them, Nids take a massive loss but alerts even more hive fleets, the Ynnari become the craftworlds (all of them left) unifying force trying to retrive/avenge their fallen gods, Chaos is supercharged by all the new fights and having a 5th god on a golden throne.
Boom. You got Warhammer 50k
Bro in the new codex of custodes it is written that they have "project 11" in their dungeons... What do you believe about that?
Most likely the only way would be to seal the warp portals that he fights perhaps with Blackstone?
As I see it the biggest problem with bringing Big E back is that they'd have to do massive power leaps for every antagonist in the setting to keep pace. With primarchs it's one thing; you just bring back more traitor primarchs to set the scales, but the Emperor? They'd have to do some wacky shit for that to balance out, and I DEEPLY worry what that'd do to the setting. It already got mildly cheesy with the massive overnight, out of the blue lore power jump with the primaris and all their tau-like fancy wargear. They managed to balance that out a little bit with books and galactic level threats, but if they keep doing this it could quickly spiral out of control.
Thing is, there's 5 ways I know of to get the Emperor back into action. And some are sure things if the attempt is allowed to start.
#1 - Iffy but possible. Fabius Bile's mastery of cloning is pretty much up to match the Emperor's now. He also knows how to make a device to seamlessly transfer minds and souls. Finally, his loyalty is to his research and his own survival, not the ruinous powers. So he could be convinced.
#2 - Difficult to initiate, but probably a sure thing. Azhek Ahriman can wield effectively any magic ever known at this point, and has multiple greater daemons bound that could be used as fuel. He also is not actually a chaos marine, as he is more 'wrong place, wrong time, trying to deal with the horrible hand he was dealt'. If the Eldar gave him the info on Tzeentch that would let him be free of Magnus' geas, and the emperor would restore the rubric marines to life, Ahriman would be unlikely to hesitate in weaving a healing spell of power that could only be bested by Isha, Nurgle, or Tzeentch directly...and Tzeentch may even help, because the Emperor returning would monkeywrench /everyone/, and Tzeentch loves that stuff.
#3 - Unlikely, but possible and kinda funny. Faith. The Word Bearers created the Imperial Cult, and the fanaticism they so carefully crafted has led to God-Emperor, saints, and seemingly, the Legion of the Damned. If that faith grows enough, and in the right direction, it could heal the Emperor, meaning that ultimately Lorghar undid Horus' greatest work.
#4 - Unlikely, but if initiated, a sure thing. Isha. If enough of her strength can get out of nurgle's playroom now, as a goddess of life, she is uniquely suited. She may be restrained by being the goddess of ELDAR life, but I'm certain there are workarounds that could be used...even if they come back to #2 as a means. After all, if she fed Ahriman the knowledge to do it, the Emperor getting up could swiftly smack down Magnus and force Nurgle to regroup (letting Isha escape at last). They would both gain, so it's far from impossible.
#5 - Potentially the easiest to negotiate, /IF/ you could get the imperium to allow it. The Dark Eldar could bring him back without any real effort since his soul is still attached to the body and they don't have to rip it out of the hands of the pervgod with raw science. Oddly, this method is the one /least/ likely to be objectionable to the emperor, as it's just science, no spells involved, and the Dark Eldar aren't traitors to him.
I doubt there is any chance at all that anyone in the imperium would trust dark eldar to go anywhere near the golden throne and emperors soul. Trapping emperors soul and all the power it comes with in a spirit stone would be a wet dream.
@@combomaster666 Remember, the Drucharii can't use soulstones and such. To mess with his soul, they'd have to keep /him/. And they'd be far better served getting him back on his feet to force Slaanesh onto the defensive. Getting him up and moving again, for them, would be about like fixing up Khaine. May well murder them, but will certainly make the pervgod cry.
Games workshop would rub thier hands if the E came back. Just imagine having to pay a grand for the metal mini figure.
When the Emperor healed Guilliman at the end of Godblight, is he still having to wear his life support armor?
I Heard that after a while he could take it off while suffering a lot of pain before
The Emperor made him, soul body and armor anew ^^
Godblight was a very good read !
"Impossible" ... "The power pack of the armor began to mumbling again" ...
👌🎉
He got it removed in the armor of faith
If they did it’d be after 10th wraps up. And would be a massive overhaul of lore enough to be a pseudo end times
I do not know if they will ever bring the Emperor back, that might be a bridge too far. But, if they do, that could be the setting for one of the most depressing moments in the lore. The first time he and Guilliman speak in private now that the Primarch knows where he stands in the Emperor's eyes.
I mean publicly they will embrace, father and son, but in private they will acknowladge that that that bond is gone. With Guilliman saying that he will serve the Emperor, but that he no longer considers himself his son and the Emperor saying that for his plans that will suffice, kinda like what he said to Angron. It would be even worse if the other loyalist Primarchs return.
Leman served as the Emperor's executioner and possibly killed two of his brothers for the Emperor and told a Custodies that the Primarchs had a special bond with the Emperor. He would now realize that he had killed out of devotion for someone who saw him as an attack dog and possibly nothing else. It would also not help his, over inflated, ego to remember what he told the Custodies and imagine them laughing at him behind his back. They might even, though I doubt it, ask the question.
If he is not truly their father, are they truly brothers?
I think many of them would feel betrayed and hurt; they might still serve, but the family will have been broken.
i can see all the Primarchs still alive returning alongside the Emperor but they all join under Gulliman ans Gulliman is offically regonized as their Warmaster/New Emperor and the Emperor himself is on his own he has literally none of his Original Generals or their respective chapters/legions left. this means the Emperor has to either grovel at their feet for once. or he has to learn how to utilize his normal human generals and subordinates.
If they ever bring him back as a fully fledged model, it will probably be in an eldar avatar sense, his "psychic manifestation" fighting alongside custodes or something.
what i would actually really like is for the Emperor to recreate/resurrect Horus from oblivion.
that's be an awesome storyline to see a reborn Horus redeem himself by helping Gulliman save humanity.
just imagine the character development. or maybe a reversed heresy storyline where the Chaos gods resurrect Sanguinius/create a corrupted and twisted version of him and the Emperor (basically being a chaos god of a kind himself) brings Horus back to fight him.
One problem before you can bring back the Emperor is to seal the Chaos Gate inside the Throne Room. Gilliman needs the Emperor to prevent a civil war with the religious factions of Terra. Maybe Magnus can help with a redemption arch in closing the Gate he created. Perhaps when it is revealed that Horus corrupted the orders from the Emperor to the Space Wolves which led the burning of Prospero...
Capture and contain Magnus , no idea how Alderi / Big E / Warp shenanigans , stick him on the Golden throne , Astronomican sorted , revive Emp at lesiure
Doesn´t he need Vulcan´s golden wristwatch or something for that?
What if.. Guilliman was told when he met with the Emperor, how to bring back the other primarchs?
The golden throne does act as a beacon and a lighthouse.
What better device to bring back his brothers? Wherever they may be.
It would be nice if Cawl could just install a text to speech device to the throne.
is there any reason gw cant update/move forward the lore too much? I mean its a big universe they could always just release their stuff based what happened in between?
Not a theory or prediction but just what I think could make for a rather epic narrative...
If you consider the actions accredited to the emperor as being caused by the emperors soul forming a new god like being which was influenced by the thousands of years or worship and then Guilliman were to resurrect the body and mind of the emperor proper, well there isn't much reason to assume that new god would just go away nor that it would in the long run even align with the reborn emperor... in other words you could end up with a war between the emperor and himself.
There have been stories of this. Factions of the Gray Knights hunting the descendants of the Emperor. Some factions for protection others for destruction...
I think if the emperor does come back, the most interesting thing about that scenario is the conversations he would have with the people around him and how he views the cult of his own religion
Isha is gonna give corpse daddy a lapdance and he will rise!
The Emperors presence alone would shatter any doubts in the hearts of man- and bring terror back to Chaos. He would need to remain on Terra; but due to his newfound power; he may just welcome a new breed of Adeptus to the fold. Something he'd been working on for ten thousand years.
Guilliman walks into the golden throne room. "Dad ... shit or get off of the pot already."
"The man that was", is no more. No matter what happens, a return to flesh would not be a return of the man he was, he's been through too much, seen and learned too much. Honestly, imo, the only option would be for the Emperor to ascend. He would pass from the physical form on the throne through the Warp gate and close it behind him. No doubt, some kind of warning would be given to the necessary parties in the palace to clear it, as an action like that would cause significant damage. Once risen, the Emperor is powerful enough to go toe to toe with the Chaos gods and in the Warp is the only place he can fight them directly. Once he's done all he can, he can return to Terra in a physical form, without loosing any potency. He is a god after all. As for Isha and the Tree of Life, iirc, Russ is also there looking for it and may have become trapped there. When the Emperor burned Nurgles Garden, it most likely opened the door for Russ and Isha to escape to real space.
I wonder how the yellow king ties into this.
The revival of the Emperor would mark the beginnings of the end of the entire 40k story, because if you have the Emp getting up from the Golden Throne, you have to have the End Times happen soon after that, or even during. I don't think that GW would put their money-maker in any sort of position of being permanently ended anytime soon, or even for a few decades. They would have to have a massive restructuring of how they work as a company or even just go bankrupt before they would be willing to give any sort of official end to the massive plotlines like the prospect of the End Times that the whole narrative is structured around.
all it would take is substituting soething on the golden throne while he rebirthed. if he came back the direction would be back again. hed likely find a way to put something else there or someone else so he could do whatever. or maybe rule from the throne. the emperor being alive and giving humanity direction is what wh40k needs really.
As the emperor has ascended to godhood, Guilliman must ascend to emperor
Together they can battle the warp on both sides
In my opinion I'm feeling the only way that the Emperor could return would be in an arc that ends with the Emperor having no choice but to return to the golden throne for the Betterment, Safety and Security of the entire Imperium. Of course such an arc would not be easy to make work and make sense as well as to not contradict with the existing lore. but I'm feeling that it would be one of the only ways (at least I'm my mind) that the Emperor could return to the Galaxy and the Imperium. But that's just my take on things
I have a feeling that right when he's about to make a decision, whatever his motive then BAM the Lion wakes up
It would be interesting if a pet cemetery kind of thing happens and The Emperor's return he isn't what he seems which leads to another imperial civil war with the primarchs vs the emperor
AH man, I was quite emjoying your video untii.......you said it......"tender hooks". It's "TENTERhooks"
If the emperor does come back onto the mortal plane he would not be able to continue as he is in the warp.
Either he sacrifices the gains he has made/is making in his warp battle with the gods or he convinces Guilliman to keep him on the golden throne as is but try and rescue Magnus.
Magnus needs to be brought into the fold.
I see it being a case of the Big E telling Guilliman to strike a deal with the Eldar to go off and search for pieces of Magnus and try to summon him to put him back together again.
Without Magnus there’s no hope for the Big E making a physical return.
Plot twist. Whatever gizmo Caul whips up to revive big E will in a convoluted way end up on the lion instead and finally end his power nap.
Presently reading Galaxy in Flames. 3rd of the heresy series.
Here and in the previous book, chaos discusses with Horus aspects of the Emporer having designs on ascending to God hood.
Indeed, chaos' word is untrusting, chaos used this apperent big aspiration to turn horus. Amongst other things.
Was chaos telling the truth? Is chaos manipulating the Emporer? Was euphrati keeler's ascent to sainthood a chaos machination?
Where did keeler's powers come from?
This is pretty much irony, guilleman who broke the word bearers for Thier worship of the Emporer now is a great big irony of the lore. Will the contempt of religion become contempt of the big e? Will there be contempt for guilliman!?
I mean Lorgar was probably contemplating for 10 thousand years because he recieved news that the book about his father is now the hottest selling fanfic in the whole galaxy.
There is no dimension called time in the warp. She was channeling the power of the God Emperor who was yet to be created by humanity but already existed in the warp for eternity.
How could a New Eye of Terror Hurt Chaos? That’s up there with sisters blood consecrating grey knights.
If they restore the Emperor the only thing they would accomplish is restoring his humanity and physical health. But the Emperor would not leave the Golden Throne by any means.
It just means he will be able to communicate and give further orders more accurately. For those thinking he would be back on the battlefield, this can't happen because the Emperor's psychic power is at the greatest level its ever been. Without him, no one can traverse space and the Deamons would attempt harder to storm Terra from the Throne room. He has to stay there. Granted I would love to see him restored as he can finally have more interesting interactions.
Whatever begins with feeding the ecclesiarchy to the golden throne, must be worth a try. 😎
Emp is very different entity nowadays. He is a warp god or godlike warp entity for sure, i don't think, if he really returns, he returns in a material way.
What I wish will happen is that they make an emperor magnet which will draw in the fragments of his soul and there is just Gillumen flying through the warp being chased by literally everything lol
The Eldar give the answer: Avatars of the Emperor. The majority of the soul stays on the throne but shards go and support the Custodes
Malcador is also a perpetual. I would think he might be reborn first.
I don't think malcador should be brought back (that would negate his sacrifice) but a new sigilite is exactly what the setting needs. Best to make it a young man that is a foil to the readers understanding of the characters surrounding them. It would even be convient to make it a blood relative of malcs shadowed secretly by a custodes.
Guilliman: Tech priest call a call to Cawl
Isn't he actively holding back a warp rift from cinsuming terra
So in thoerey he could come back/have his body magically healed somehow with warp spaghetti
And would be confined to the throne still
Inless he tries to then redeem magnus or something
@wolflord rho. Awesome Video AS Always. But please give us your own space wolve successor chapter With some Story Background you once metioned that you want to create one.
There is more to Cawl than meets the eye :D
I dont quite understand Vulkan's boobytrap works. How does another eye of terror hurt them?
It's fun speculation, but with regards to Guilliman actively attempting anything to get Big E back in the ring, with the current lore where it is I don't see it as even remotely viable. Also the story line for Valdor (or at least his possible return) has alot more potential to have Emperor changing ramifications than anything Guilliman will attempt. The big thing to consider with Guilliman is that he has so much that needs to be done directly that he really doesn't have time to sit on Terra. This fact combined with the fact that the Custodes won't let him compromise the security of the Emperor without the Emperor's direct authorization (meaning that the Emperor communicates with them psychically) also would kill off any concept of Guilliman forcing the Emperor into being reborn. I also don't see Cawl being brought into this situation by Guilliman either. While Cawl does serve at the pleasure of the primarch he is obsessed with his personal projects, and in many cases, is actively ducking Guilliman to keep pushing his goals forward. He hates to be chained down and while he is as ambitious as the Emperor himself in many ways, I don't see Cawls story arch getting shifted that direction (Please give us a new Cawl book soon!). Ultimately, I think the videos you did some months ago about progressing after God Blight are more akin to the direction the lore will take. Guilliman needs to progress into the next major offensive to reclaim territory, and another Primarch is sure to make an appearance whether that is Fulgrim, Perturabo, or the, at this point so over delayed people are losing interest in the setup, Lion El' Johnson. The setting currently is perfect for the Lion to be the release as the lore regarding the dark angels massing in Imperium Nihilus won't provide a betting setting for his reintroduction, especially as Dante is currently still just getting Baal established as the governmental center for the region, and travel is severely limited which keeps him and the Blood Angels in slowly expanding box for a while. (Please give us another Dante/Mephiston book soon as well)
They don’t do it and said they wouldn’t every have the emperor leave the golden throne because the golden throne is imperative to the setting. As a huge publicly traded companies they aren’t willing to take risks like that