The A-B-C Zones of Pin to PAP Layouts -

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
  • It's #MoMonday!
    Mo takes a viewer question about how far you have to move the Pin to PAP distance in order to see a difference in ball reaction. He breaks it down brilliantly using his "A-B-C Zones". This, along with the "Low Flare Zone" are what you need to know about what these Pin to PAP locations do. Most importanly, learn about the zone TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS which is eloquently referred to as "Twitch City".
    Education. It's all part of the #RadicalRevolution!
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  • @joangermano8383
    @joangermano8383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    RIP MO

  • @loryli
    @loryli 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks Mo for sharing your knowledge. I’ve used your videos to review all of my layouts and I have had great recent success at local tournaments. I carefully matched my layouts and surfaces to maximize my Arsenal’s potential. I look forward to the next one. Enjoy your day.

  • @brianlevandowski3167
    @brianlevandowski3167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ABC, Angular, Benchmark, Control

  • @johnvesterjr.ytchannel8533
    @johnvesterjr.ytchannel8533 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    True bowling Gem! Thank you so much. This has given me the needed knowledge to understand my layouts and try different ones.

  • @bowlingknightzgarageshop7593
    @bowlingknightzgarageshop7593 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Mo!

  • @marym470
    @marym470 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info Love your videos.

  • @stellaraudioaz
    @stellaraudioaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is super helpful.

  • @exitar1
    @exitar1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @scotturban54
    @scotturban54 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guy is a genius

  • @russellgilbert3453
    @russellgilbert3453 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dat Mo is smart!

  • @brianf7405
    @brianf7405 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So here’s an “odd” one...I recently drilled an Ebonite Destiny Solid at 2” from my PAP. It out hooks every ball I have currently. I’m 2-handed, high track (clips middle finger) and around 16-17 mph off my hand. Def rev dominant. I did put a balance hole in it and am considering plugging that hole as I feel it may have counter-acted the low flare layout by introducing diff back into the ball. Thoughts?

  • @robertgraves7911
    @robertgraves7911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the information that you continue to share with us bowlers every week. Just wondering would you consider drilling up a few pieces with the various PAP Zones and possibly use throwbot or maybe a staffer so that we get to visually see the differences? Granted do to the many varieties of bowling styles and PAP’s the ball motions will differ however it could provide us something visually to reference to go along with the numbers. I’m extremely interested in the information but honestly don’t have an abundance of equipment to experiment with.

    • @RadicalBowling
      @RadicalBowling  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/sbU5Rcmab8E/w-d-xo.html That will get you an idea of the layout differences and how they change the roll and axis migration path. Not exactly the same as the ABC's but you'll get an idea.

  • @christopherascherl2411
    @christopherascherl2411 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this true for symmetric (as close to symmetric as a no thumb layout would be) and well as asymmetric balls?

  • @AKstryker23
    @AKstryker23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need some advice on a layout for a pearl asymm im around 500 rev rate, 4 1/2 over by a 1/2 up, pattern im needing help with is 43ft but only 20 mils im not getting much reaction out of my other equipment Most of my stuff is around 3.5-4 inch pin distances should i try longer pin distances?

  • @levihayes5365
    @levihayes5365 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just curious on urethane what should those normally be? .75-2.25?

  • @jabilda
    @jabilda 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks. Can you drill the same ball in the 4 zones and record the same bowler throwing it? Then match the bowler's delivery to the best drilling pattern for them?

    • @RadicalBowling
      @RadicalBowling  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/sbU5Rcmab8E/w-d-xo.html Check out this video and plenty of the other videos we have posted on past #MoMonday episodes. Many videos where Mo is using Marcus recently show a few different layouts.

  • @NarmanSazali
    @NarmanSazali 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting...

  • @shutta300_6
    @shutta300_6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does the same pin to pap measurements apply to symmetrical balls also? I know they flare different

    • @Highway69theoriginal
      @Highway69theoriginal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you didn’t already get an answer to this question, the answer is "no". Symmetrical cored balls use different measurements to control the flair potential.

  • @SuperHonkyPodcast
    @SuperHonkyPodcast 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:40
    So what do these lines represent? When you say "So if I put that there" do you mean if you drill the hole at 4 1/4 inches, or 5 inches or
    WHAT is it that you're referring to when you say "if I put that there". I just need to know! I'm so close to figuring this all out lol

    • @jonathanleonard906
      @jonathanleonard906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is referring to the distance between the pin and the positive axis point. You wouldn’t actually drill there

  • @dj80d6
    @dj80d6 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I’m right handed and I throw left to right what kinda of layout should I be looking for.

    • @marshalcraft
      @marshalcraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Think A from abc region, that walter ray used, that he said?

  • @marlowhuff5975
    @marlowhuff5975 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this the same for symmetrical balls? Last question what are the measurements for the no “twitch” zone

    • @KennyGrinols
      @KennyGrinols 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      2.5 - 3.5 is the 'Twitch Zone'.
      However, I have 2 Symmetrical Balls that Mo layed out for me, one with a 3" pin and one with 3 1/4" pin, and they work wonders. So your mileage may vary.

  • @michaelmorgan5546
    @michaelmorgan5546 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is your thought of laying out the Results with a 45X4.5X45 for a left hander?

  • @TerryBollea1
    @TerryBollea1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You nevershowedem on the lane!!

  • @Ag-qp6rl
    @Ag-qp6rl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @radicalbowling I drill 95% of My stuff 5.5 from pap and it doesn't slowdown hmm

    • @arandomcommenter7051
      @arandomcommenter7051 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Use a stronger pin to pap under 5 inches and add some surface. Flare rings will actually open up rather than stacking on top of themself like it does with the long pins. Start somewhere in the stronger end of the “B” zone and go from there

    • @Ag-qp6rl
      @Ag-qp6rl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arandomcommenter7051 i was being well a smart ass /troll when I posted that .

  • @davejustice7464
    @davejustice7464 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mo what does flare mean just learning

    • @Nick.McIntyre
      @Nick.McIntyre 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      another way of saying hook

    • @brianwaite854
      @brianwaite854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More flare does not necessarily mean more hook. There can actually be a point where increased flare can diminish hook.
      Flare is a measure of the variation of the track on the bowling ball. The distance between the first oil ring in the track area and the last ring is referred to as the amount of “flare”. Most manufacturers list potential flare in their specs.

  • @Bigandbeardedjb
    @Bigandbeardedjb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why would zone “a” not be good on the left?

    • @michaellopour7409
      @michaellopour7409 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it's because the break point is less "beat up" so the reaction can be sharp without the ball causing it to happen? I'm not a lefty!

    • @CurtisL8.3066
      @CurtisL8.3066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lefties get sharper ball reaction but less miss room because track doesn’t develop like the right side, so it can feel ‘squirty’ or too sharp off the end of the pattern. Lefties tend to like to play straighter and favor more blended reactions to control the breakpoint. We rarely need to make zone moves to chase head oil, so the use of higher rg, cleaner equipment is rarely needed.

  • @TerryBollea1
    @TerryBollea1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about high flare?

    • @peterbrown329
      @peterbrown329 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A B and C are the higher flare layouts...

    • @TerryBollea1
      @TerryBollea1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peterbrown329 he said those are for low flare players. I think he ment to say high and low tracks, not flare.

  • @joshuapaugh8271
    @joshuapaugh8271 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought 3 3/8 pin to pap was max flare but in this video you have it in the twitch zone why is that.

    • @Highway69theoriginal
      @Highway69theoriginal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That 3 3/8 distance is for a symmetrical cored ball.

    • @joshuapaugh8271
      @joshuapaugh8271 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Highway69theoriginal what does the symmetry of the core have to do with it

    • @Highway69theoriginal
      @Highway69theoriginal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshuapaugh8271 The Zing in the video is an asymmetrical ball. On asymmetricals the pin to pap distance for maximum flare is between 2 3/4" and 6 1/4".

    • @baliktad8
      @baliktad8 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshuapaugh8271 also the longer the pin to pap distance the shorter the hook phase.

  • @Beny19471
    @Beny19471 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mo pinel