Tackling Wet Dry Lane Conditions -
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
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Let's talk wet/dry lane conditions. We've all been there, miss in and the ball hits flat, miss out and the ball goes through the face. Mo walks you through how to recognize the situation and how to properly adjust and adapt to the transition. With the new USBC rules no longer requiring 3 units of oil on the outside, wet/dry conditions will become more common during competition.
Miss you Mo, bowling isn’t the same without ya.
I'm returning to the sport after a 25 year hiatus. I love the way Mo explains things, so easy to understand. RIP Mo, he is a treasure and is sorely missed. Wish I had him as my coach.
Same to me. I have only been out 4 years and I am struggling now. Part of it is getting back into the rhythm and getting my timing down, but the other is how they are oiling the lanes. From my local alley (one that I have never bowled at previously) it seems to be just like what MO is saying. I try to stand 20 or deeper and throw to 15 but it wont face up. Even if I straighten my line and throw 15 it likes to push a lot, and if you get it in, it doesn't try to hook until the last 10 feet. Tonight I think I finally learned to play the outside standing about 8 and throwing at 5. Then keep chasing left just barely when it starts to face up too hard.
@@tlalexander3 in my experience with house shot at the places I bowl at its best to a little more up the back of the ball since the outside of the lane hooks so much. Helps me control the backends. ( im a two hander at a more high friction house)
Mo is like the npc you’d never talk too or skipped and come to find out he had the best item in the game the whole time lol.
More information from Mo in this 5min video that most you tubers complete video history!
Thanks!
Moe, what a video. Great detail and an easy illustration to follow. Thx again for sharing the whys and how’s of bowling. Enjoy your day
1:18 he's exactly right. since usbc says you no longer have to oil the mess out of the edges, i've played there and my league average has increased by more than 20 pins. i will continue to play this position on house.
This is an awesome video! Love the way he showed the pin pattern on the ball and how you can expect it to react. I am left-handed so I don't have to deal with this condition change like righties, but this was still very helpful. I'm trying to learn the technical aspects of bowling balls so when I go to the pro shop and they start spewing all that stuff, I will actually understand some of it.
That is sad that USBC says you don't have to oil the outside yet years ago the ABC said oil had to be applied all the way across the lanes. Glenn Allison bowled a 900 with a yellow dot and had the score rejected and now USBC has approved multiple 900's and 300's are so common place most centers don't even post a list of honor scores. One center that closed had an electronic board the listed the honor scores, a lot of those were on wood lanes also.
I learn every week from Mo. Every week l get a little better!
How could you hate this guy hes awesome solutions for everything 😎
Not all his solutions are for everyone though,, Remember that,, But his mindset is very intricate :)
My pro shop told me I'll encounter dry conditions more than oily in my area. This has been my experience with playing on several leagues. I now own a Brunswick rhino and a twist drilled for dry conditions. Hell just go practice with me on any facility on dollar day and you will see that they dont oil daily. Only 1 league I play on uses enough oil that I can use my Radical Intel for 1 to 2 games, told them I hope they dont change the oil pattern.
I encountered this scenario last night at my league. I'm low ball speed player 15mph. Was using vintage vapor zone asymmetrical ball with pin up layout and polish surface. Could not control the ball at all. Kept taking off on me. Then if I moved too far left to stay out of the dry my ball skated on the heavy oiled middle and kept leaving 10 pins or sometimes a 2 pin. Struggled to make it back to the pocket
As always, Mo is at his best!! Thanks Mo!!!!
I never thought I'd see anyone talking about the rollout shot again.
No oil on the outside anymore? Is that an actual rule change or suggestion made to Bowling centers? We checked last night after league, and our center had zero oil on boards 1-4.... miss too far right and go Brooklyn.
S'Funny, at the house I bowl at the outside has NOTHING but oil. But yeah a lot of other houses, I gotta get real aggressive loft the ball to the arrows right out of the gate in order to get it to hold. Which I don't mind cuz I'm speed dominant but other players get upset at it, understandably.
Great video Mo. my center is super wet dry this year. Very helpful advice
Same
Cool watching this. Always wondered why my pin was up and to the side and everyone else’s pin up is directly over the bridge damn near midpoint between the fingers with slight variation.
Absolutely brilliant.
What about embracing the Sahara with Polyester?
Staying away from the wet, living in the dry?
Playing from the right?
That's what I've been doing. Can't get the big game, but hanging around 600 . What are you doing to get higher sets?
@@anthonyharrison8855
Last night I was on an atomically Wet/Dry condition.
I used my smoothest ball, my DV8 Poison and even it was jumping, which it never does.
Right of 7 was dead dry, left of 7 was super flood. So if I missed right of 7, split, but if I missed left of 7, washout, 5-7 or flat 10.
Finally in game 2 I pulled out my Widow Spare at 500 grit with a high flare layout and rolled right up 8.
The ball rolled early and set and floated to the pocket, totally ignoring the wet dry. Suddenly 6 strikes, with sanded plastic.
Sometimes less is more.
@@nordattack thanks my friend. My wife definitely can use this.
Averaging 230 in my Thursday leauge in a house that actually blends oil to the edge, it's great. Other house, 188 avg. Last night it was so dry, almost no blend, just a small strip down the middle of oil. I show 163, 156, 222..... the 222 was my white dot. Said F this, and just stood 15, and rolled 10 and walked into pocket. Was one bad pull from shooting 250+
@@chriswebbtech I play at one center that uses very little oil, most of us use plastic or urathane... really sad in 2020... guys complain all the time about how there high end ball hooks to hard. They are in disbelief when I bowl a 215 with plastic...
Thanks Mo !!!
I noticed that the outside is “dry” now so I has to find my old “go to” ball, Track 300A, for playing that part of the lane.
2:00 me all night tonight. Worst series in years with 511 and 200 last game. Weak 10s and missing spares makes bowling SUCK!
The medium Zone at my bowling center last about five frames of a five-man team of game 1
isnt that the truth, i feel so depressed with bowling right now. i have avg 185-195 for 10 years and right now im 175 because it seems after game 1 im just completely destroyed with bone dry lanes, i have 3 different balls set up to have high, med and low hook depending on the oil that night but this season they all hook and react the same, it doesn't matter what i use or how i surface them i have to throw a massive inside shot from gutter to gutter just to hit pocket. I know a lot of people dont have this problem but with my rev rate i have to completely change the way i throw the ball. Its like learning to bowl all over again
@@brettrobbins2707 the bowling balls are much more aggressive today than they were 10 years ago so that area the lane changes much quicker a hint is to use a different hand position to allow you to play deeper inside on the lane to catch that oil to get to the down dryer Lane position your break point that should help you out a little bit but I understand your frustration
I agree, I'm a 210 average bowler who is now averaging 170's because of the Wet/Dry and quick breakdown of the oil pattern. I can't keep up with the quick changing lane condition. On a 5 man team, by the time I get to bowl, my shot has already changed again. Found out from my buddy who oils the lanes that they are only using 27 mil of oil for 42 feet. I'm not sure what to do. Buy another new ball and have that drilled a specific way for Dry conditions. I was thinking one with less hook like a Brunswick Rhino or Track Tundra just for this crazy HS.
@@frankesposito2229 yeah with the lanes changing every three or four frames the lane conditions change pretty frequently I bought one of those rhinos they hook a ton even with a slip agent on it it's still hooked a lot 27 ml sounds like a lot of oil we put 21 on our lanes and we are loyal 41 feet sounds like you're lanes are getting Cliffted
@@lylebarnard7447 This is what I did tonight. We have a 4 person team on Friday nights. I moved in throwing my strongest ball ( Hammer Scandal Pearl ) one board left of the third arrow (16 to about 9, 7 ). This ball is drilled to start rolling in the mid lane. It hooked nice for the first two games and by the 3rd game I had to switch to the Hammer Web Pearl, which goes a little longer and kicks on the back end. With the Scandal I stood at 34 and moved to 38 the start of game 3, at that point I started to get some over/under so I switched to the Web Pearl and had to move back to 34 and finished the game with 4 strikes in a row. 200, 225, 201. Needless to say tonight is not the competitive night that Wednesday night is, where most of the bowlers have hooks and throw it on the right. We had 2 lefties tonight which helped preserve the lanes a little. I'll know more after Wednesday night if this strategy will work and I can stay on top of the changes.
do you have a video on bone dry lanes and how to overcome bone dry synthetic lanes, meaning zero oil on on lanes.
old wood (and poorly maintained-oiled) lanes in my town. some video insight on those as well?
Thank you for the great explanation. Just one question. Do you still throw your same shot just with the different ball?
I still have the original Fab urethane Hammer in my arsenal. I just start pushing lane conditioner front to back.
Hey Mo, what other conditions would you suggest a pin down Asym for? Great stuff as always
Help! By the time I can get to the lanes on weekends they are ALL dry! REAL (very old) wood. Oil for league Tuesday but nothing until the next Tuesday! What is my solution-ball? (i'm ok on the synth lanes in the next town over that I bowl occasionally). Thanks for any and all responses!
Honor scores here I come!
Thanks Mo.
How (the hell) do ya pick up a ten pin when the edges are that dry !?!
Easy. Play cross lane, open up your wrist to take the hook off the ball. Use a spare plastic ball. It won't hook much at all.
I actually went down to a Pin Down Symmetric ( Sizzle w/ a 75 x 4 x 70 layout at 500 Surface) , allows me to go a straighter more forward roll to the pocket, My Asym Katana Slash with similar layout seems to over react on the back end
I enjoy you I think that you really know what you’re talking about but there’s a lot of people that are very nervous that are not familiar with some of your terms. Perhaps you could modify that for those that are still learning the terminology other than that you do a great job, not criticizing, just simply a suggestion.
What part of the lane do you play with the hook/stop layout? Do you play more in the oil or do you keep throwing to the dry?
dry area
HATE bowling against bowlers using urethane. Screws up everything. I try go out around their line
Yes this is killing me. Throwing the ball great and struggling to shoot 200
@@anthonyharrison8855 I feel your pain.
I dont mind people using urathane but when it's there 1st ball on the fresh I'm like "seriously?"
Debatable. A sanded reactive resin/someone shooting spares with plastic will screw up a pattern faster. Urethane will affect tournament patterns after a 6 game block, but in league, no.
WOW! I just left you a message on the dreaded 10 pin cause. Boy, do I have some questions on terms. What do these terms you use mean? Active Tilt, Ball Up, Higher Track, VAL Angle, Move in, and Look Closer to Foul Line on delivery mean? Thanks Mo!
Oki so im tryin to become a professional bowler an ive had trouble figuring this out but now I can figure it out but thts only on one house pattern
wouldn't a short pin layout to create less hook and sticking more to the dry be an option as well?
i have a ball with all 3 of those layouts
That’s why folks straighter is better! Take everything out of play
I felt bad for the camel. The Sahara really messed him up!
Yeah he was lookin pretty gaunt...lol
Full roller layouts Mo
#ControlledChaos
Is the PSA basically the mass bias?
Yes. PSA, mass bias and high RG are all the same. Just nomenclature differences.
Medium surface so something like 3,000 finish
IMO yes 2000-4000 is medium on the THS I like 2000 on new oil then as line gets drier and the ball surface gets smoother (lane shine) and by the end of a league night I've moved my feet inside about 5 or 6 and target 2 or 3
@@AverageLeagueHack about the same for me. Once in awhile I'll move 8-10 boards by the 3rd game at certain facilities. Moving is something bowlers need to do more often.
Yea and as soon as the porter takes his dirty tennis shoes on the lane I’m gonna have to stop him. Just wont play a dirty lane.
Looks like the insane asylum let one loose and He got ahold of an expo marker...
Rip
Top heavy cores are best for wet dry. Radical doesn't make top heavy balls. They mostly make center heavy balls that read evenly.
Use a roto grip winner, hammer flawless, roto grip jackyl.
Or throw a purple hammer
How much different is the Hammer Flawless than the Hammer Web Pearl? I'm using the Web Pearl now and still can't get enough length and keep my ball right. Layout is also 60x4x35.
I use my old Roto No Rules on the wet / dry
@@joepic85 I use the Brunswick twist
Just use true motion urethane
this is actually a pretty solid idea.
The short pin will give a urethane like ball reaction without the early burnout, destroying the heads so quick and pushing oil down lane.