With 2025 scheduled to be the year of a major overhaul (~ every 5 years for outback, last was 2020), I would hold out unless you really need to upgrade.
That's some great info to know, and I'm in no rush. I love my current Outback, but really prefer to go Wilderness eventually. Especially now that it has my beloved Harmon Karden Sound System, I thought it'd be a good time, but I can wait to see what another year brings. Thanks!
Love this video. I’ve had the new 2024 outback wilderness for a month now and absolutely love it. It’s my fourth Subaru. I’ve had two versions of crosstreks and two Outback’s. The dual xmode is a great new feature and can give more detail if wanted. Not sure where you are, but if you are near Missouri you could take it for a spin. Honestly, I’ve loved Subaru’s for a long time, but I’m in love totally with the wilderness. It’s a thrill to drive and the new speakers are comparable to having Bose. The Bose will give you more of a surround sound effect where as the Herman’s are more of a direct output. Having had both Harman and their stock , I can say it’s a HUGE difference in sound. I bought the tire warranty as other extra warranties, so probably won’t upgrade the tires. If there’s one thing I would change, like you, it would be the tires. Honestly, though, for what it do, they work great. I do notice the wilderness sucks the gas a lot more than my 2022 outback premium. That turbo is a game changer for the outback. I will pay the extra dime for fuel just to have the turbo. Thanks for your videos.
Recently lost my CVT transmission in my 2016 Forester at 138K. Out of the blue it started not being able to find what RPM it wanted to stay in. Had to replace the valve body for $1500 non-Subaru dealership repair shop. Down for 1 day and now drives like new.
We just bought our 24 OBW last month and loving it! Only gripe I have with it are the front and backup cams.. not the quality or detail you’d expect from a car of that price, but all the other great features outweigh that. Lol
Great video Man! Waiting on my 2024 OBW to arrive at the dealer. As far as the forums and comments on TH-cam, there will always be someone who has to make a disparaging remarks about something. Keep up the good work! Thanks!
Thank you and appreciate it! The part that sucks about those misleading comments is that someone goes there for an answer and then becomes confused about conflicting info.
@@roamingwithjosh Very true! Honest reviews and information is always a winner! By the way, I pick up my 2024 OBW tomorrow!!! Super excited! Have a great one!
Facts about the CVT or Engine on the OBW 24 I`ve noticed, when the vehicle is started from cold, sometimes the car will push forward a bit when rolling out for the first few seconds. Second thing I've noticed, when climbing small hills at low speed, the CVT seems to bog down a bit like the transmission has an issue find exactly what to do at that low of a speed. Again, really subtle things and not really annoying at all. Not sure if the previous years had this behavior. The big difference I found is, as you mentionned, the Harman Kardon sound system which sounds really good, much better than 21-23 OBW, happy about that change even at the expense of a skid plate. Also, third camera is supposed to improve pedestrian/bike detection, not a bad thing in my opinion for safety. As for the heated steering wheel, we had this in Canada already but now it's all around the steering versus only on the sides.
I bought the Outback Wilderness because, at the time, it was hard to get _any_ vehicle, and I needed something that could haul 3500 lbs to pull my tiny camper. I really don't do off roading at all. Yes, it's nice to have the extra capability for sand and snow, but in reality considering the price and loss of gas mileage, it might have been a mistake in my case.
Just bought a '24 Outback Wilderness. I would never have considered a Wilderness without a heated steering wheel. Once you have one, you can't live without it.
The three negatives of my 2022 SOW are the engine auto-off's default setting is on which resets everytime you turn the car off, the peudo-shifting the CVT does, and the major lag of the touch screen. I would like to know if you know if these are improved in the new model. Thanks and I love channel.
Helpful video thanks. Our first Subaru was a 2001 Outback that we drove all over Idaho for over 10 years. It was great in snow & surprised me everywhere else. We replaced it with a 2013 after over 100k miles on the 2001. My father in-law still drives the 2001. I think they have been underrated for light adventure & back road vehicles. It is getting time to consider what’s next & I think I’d be happy with a 23 or 24!
Ordered mine a few months ago expecting a 23, and a 24 showed up with HK sound and the heated steering wheel.. incredible surprise. Highly recommend if an upgrade makes sense for you. I didn’t have an OBW before this.
I have the 2024 wilderness and live in Vegas you're welcome to come out and drive it. The harmon Karlin rocks. The paddle shifters make the day. I traded my trailhawk hemi and I'm so happy!! Geyser Blue kills it😂
I have a Crosstrek, but I think Subaru makes probably the best CVT experience out there with the general auto manufacturers. I never really found mine to be all that bad. My VW CC I had before with the DSG trans is awesome, but as far as Subaru CVT goes, I honestly like it better than any of the old cars I used to have with the torque converter style auto transmissions.
I would have to agree. I own a ‘18 Crosstrek and it’s my first vehicle with a CVT. I have not had any issues with it and have 105K on it. Seems to work great to me.
My 2014 Subaru Outback with the cvt felt like a rubber band when accelerating. My daughters ‘19 crosstrek feels totally different…and the simulated shifts make it feel more normal. No complaints. We are picking up a Outback wilderness this weekend. No need to wait for the 2025 and buying.a new all around capable vehicle for 40k is hard to find these days.
I don't own a OB Wilderness yet, but I was reading through the PDF owner's manual because I was curious about towing. It says you can tow up to 3500lbs, but when a towing a trailer with brakes. So it is stupid for Subaru to not have right harness to support trailers with brakes. -_-
Here's what is in this 15 minute video - The 2024 is exactly the same as the 2023 with minor software changes in XMODE, heated steering wheel, new grill, and upgraded audio.
I never liked CVT's until I bought my wife a '23 OBW. I am now a convert (at least Subaru's CVT). I drive a Jeep JL wrangler and a Toyota Tundra 4x4 and wouldn't want a CVT in those, however the CVT in her Subie works great.
The CVT in the subie is good, it's definitely a point of failure for the vehicle if you push its limits. If not, it's a great option. Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh there’s a mountain range just under the front camera and on the drive side front corner where the new honeycomb design is there are two little foot prints in it.
For X-Mode, I don’t think anything was changed; the “enhanced” is referring to the Wilderness trims having “Dual Function X-Mode” with the deep snow and mud programming. This is standard on every Wilderness to date.
@@roamingwithjosh agreed…it would have been great for more substantial updates/upgrades and that those differences were more clearly marketed. I’d be willing to wager within the next 2-3 years they do a decent refresh. For those who financed, that is when their 60 months ends and they might be more inclined to trade up.
Right on bro. I got my first ever Sub., and it is an Outback Wilderness, in part for your videos, honest and very informative. Love my Sub, and for the price, all these people that complain about minor crap, oh well. I got nothing to complain about it, the ride is awesome, and I'm looking to ride some offroad as soon as my break-in ends. Keep the good work, love the vids, looking forward to ad some accessories shortly (also seen on your vids). Thank you to help me decide on my decision with the Subaru.
Great video as usual. Really looking forward to you getting your hands on the 2024 to put it through its paces. I’ve got a 2017 Outback Limited and looking to pull the trigger on the 2024. New wheels and tires are first on the list, but probably not much else for my needs.
There is another thing that they dropped for 2024. It has only one skid plate in the front where as the 2023 wilderness has three skid plates (apparently).I asked about the changes they made to 2024 outback wilderness and I was surprised to know this. The dealer told me 2024 has one skid plate in the front and removed the back skid plate. But when I checked the website comparing both the wilderness, the 2023 has 3 skid plates listed under mechanical specification and 2024 has just 1 skid plate.
That honestly doesn't surprise me too much. The definition of skid plate Subaru uses is merely a thin piece of plastic and most people change those out anyways. Still a very interesting piece of information and I appreciate you adding that to the comments!
The reason behind the skid plates missing is that they are manufactured in Russia. Since we know what happened in Russia they were not able to include it with the 2024.
The most importing thing in the Wilderness gearbox CVT it has an oil cooler gear box. on my Forester Sport 2021 i installed one (a big cooler with a thermostat) and it changed a lot. if you can show your cooler gearbox i wil thank you a lot .it decrease the temperatures by 20-30° c. i had a gearbox failure after only 49000 km. Subaru dealler in my country charge for new gearbox 12000$. no warrenty for this failure.
They still have the same old gauge cluster eh? So close! My plan is to eventually upgrade my Crosstrek with an Outback Wilderness, but man I wish they’d sort out a couple of petty things that I shamelessly desire (heated steering wheel was one, too).
Nothing wrong with being petty about things you want. The 25 model will likely be a re-design and that may be what you should wait for. Thanks for the comment!
I have a 2021 Outback Outdoor XT (Canada) aka, Onyx (USA). I was looking at the 2024 Outback Wilderness and your comment about the Harmon Kardon speaker I asked my local dealer and they said they put those in because they deleted the skid plates due to supply issues. The skid plates were sourced from a Russian company and due to the current war with Ukraine they can’t get those parts any where else. So they replaced it with the speaker. Yet again, not sure if that is true but it came directly from the local Subaru dealership in Vancouver, BC. I am looking to trade mine in and its much more of a difference than trading for a new model Wilderness from a previous one. Thanks for your personal comments and glad to see the beating it can take with all that mileage you have put on it.
No worries! I will say that I did just pick up a brand new 2024 Wilderness and I'm incredibly surprised by how big of a difference there is between the 22 and 24. I have a new video coming out sunday talking about the differences.
I replaced the stock tires on my 2017 Forester with GeoLanders and it made a world of difference in trail performance. I have done some mild to medium off-road with them, Cave Creek road in Az has some sections with jagged rocks and they held up well. Now once these wear out… yeah I probably seek out something more aggressive for the ‘24 Wilderness Outback I am planning on getting. On the CVT … yeah the standard CVT in my 2017 is ok to great on road. Off-Road yeah the standard CVT in an act of “self preservation” kills power in sand when you spin the wheels. You can fake it by pumping the gas (ask me how I know) but not the best experience. The Wilderness is supposed to solve this with the Dual X mode feature. Honestly I rather have a stick but that ain’t happening. I thought the new front end was supposed to give a better approach angle, could be mistaken but hope the ARS brush bar and winch kit will still work! Thanks for sharing. Look forward to additional reviews.
I definitely don't give the geolanders enough credit and to anyone who reads the comments I think what you said is really good information. Tires are a personal choice like car color and comments like yours give people real information and not opinion which is extremely important. Thanks for taking the time to share because it could save someone some cash. I'm working to confirm fitment on the other models for the parts mentioned. Stay tuned.
I got my 2024 last weekend. The heated steering wheel is weak. Doesn’t get that warm at all compared to other vehicles. Harmon kordon is nice. Not sure if it was worth the price difference from the 2023 tbh
Please revisit this topic when you do get your hands on a 2024 OBW. I value your takes and opinions on what you've had your hands on and personal experiences with. We all hear things. But how you feel regarding what you personally experience and use are what I value most about this insightful channel. Not a critique or criticism. Rather, anticipation of the high and helpful standards you have set with your content.
What if you just buy the two front bumper corners for $50 a piece… the hk system is tempting but I w already swapped my speakers for like $400 instead of the $1200 or so upgrade cost of an hk
I had 2 Subaru Ascents (a 21 and then 22 model) that both self destructed. We also have a 21 forester that has been perfect so far. Anyway it is my understanding that the Ascent's have the same engine, and the same trans, as the wilderness. Although I think they are "tuned" and "programed" differently. Since both of the Ascents failed, largely because of the transmissions, I decided not to get a third. Instead I purchased a 23 Outback Touring with the 2.5 engine and the same trans in the Forester. So far so good. In case you're wondering WHY i got another Subie it was because I really didn't have a choice. It would have been difficult to take a non-functioning car and trade it for another brand. Also SOA did help some. Anyway I would be curious to know how much difference there really is (in off-road capability) between a regular Outback and the wilderness. Back in the day the Outback WAS the most capable model. Our family had several Legacy's back then. We've taken our Outback over some very challenging forest service roads in North Georgia and it did just fine. I've only used X mode for downhill decent. Otherwise I haven't needed it. If anyone has any real comparison I'd like to hear it. Also, I think the Touring is more expensive than the wilderness (hence some of the features not being included like ventilated seats). I totally believe what you said about the Harmon Cardon system. Yes, it was left off on purpose. The Outback is getting a re-do, according to Subaru, next year. So the 24, I think, is the last year for this design. Perhaps that is why they are adding some additional features. Anyway, I think for MOST people the "regular" Outback will work just fine. Also, and this is an opinion, I don't CVT's were designed to tow no matter what Subaru says. The Ascent's can barly pull themselves up a steep hill much less have anything tow. I do like CVT's but you really have to take car with how you use them. I always let my cars warm up before driving.
A lot of great info here. Not sure how much "better" the wilderness is. I think SOA found a great marketing strategy and went for and they have done well so far. The wilderness tows really well because of that turbo in my opinion.
So what I hear you saying is that if you already have a 2022/23 OBW, probably not worth the upgrade to the 2024, since it’s really not a significant upgrade. BUT, if this will be your first Subaru OBW, jump in with both feet. Is that about the size of it? I’m a hobbyist photographer who would love to traverse mildly off-road areas in search of wildlife to photograph. I’m not at all interested in pushing the envelope beyond my comfort level, which is quite low. Thanks again!
If you can wait I would wait until 2025. It's going to be a re-design and it will probably be worth it. If not, the 2024 is a great option for exactly what you plan to use it for and I would go for it. This car can you out and back to just about any shooting location you want to get to.
@@roamingwithjosh My major gripes are road noise, gas mileage, and the horrible infotainment center. I could do my own video just about that last item! 😀
I’ve heard the Subaru kicker tweeter upgrades make a HUGE difference on the 6 speaker non-HK stock audio system. Those are about $100, add some decent door speakers for another $150ish and you’ll be close to the HK system. Like what’s been said previously….I’d personally keep the 22 OBW and continue to mod/upgrade to your liking. But everyone can do what they want with their money and make their own choices. Who are we to tell people what to do 🙂 Love the OBW content and your willingness to create a discussion.
CVTs are fine as long as they work - I’m at 35K with my OBXT (non-wilderness) and the CVT started slipping when cold with the wheel turned either direction. Hoping to get it replaced under warrantee.
Ah I've been tempted over and over again to upgrade to the OBW! My 2019 Forester Sport is set to be done next year and I'm on the edge to get the OBW or just focus(or practice) my overlanding juice on the Forester then maybe I'll get OBW once I know what I like for Overlanding. I want to settle for the OBW because I'll be a lazy overlander that'll do little mods for car camping during the short summer months here in Canada but man! I love the idea of turbocharged engine and more cargo space esp. now that my wife and I are having a baby. Good info overall tho!
I don't understand why anyone would "upgrade" to a mid-cycle refresh after only 25,000 miles when they have the same generation of that model - what a waste of money!
@@roamingwithjosh Mid-cycle refreshes are designed to give people justification to buy the generation of a vehicle that might have come out several years earlier rather than going for an ostensibly newer model from another brand. They are not designed for people who already have that generation of vehicle to "upgrade". Maybe you know this but if you do then perhaps you should tell your viewers that you are doing it for the purposes of the channel rather than it being a normal thing for non-TH-camrs to do.
Towing capacity "It's not a ton of weight" . Actually it is 1 3/4 ton. Sorry a pet peeve of mine using ton to describe a lot of anything. I just bought a 2024. As far as the new things... the Harmon Cardon stereo is awesome IMO. As far as heated steering wheel, I live in NorCal and have never had one. If my hands get cold I put the heating system to blow hot air out the upper vents and aim them at my hands so I'll have to wait for the winter to see if I like it.
I thought all OB's already had a 4.10 final drive ratio, as opposed to the standard 3.73, and that Subaru already claimed the current OB could climb a 40% grade.
Subaru always delays features (like those speakers) a few model years so people will be enticed to trade-in. For example, the recently announced Crosstrek Wilderness doesn't have a front camera. I promise you after two years, when everyone's lease is up, the "new" one will. Lmao. Thanks Subaru.
As you noted, everyone has an opinion. With that, I don't see the logical value in getting a '24 OBW, but I understand the draw of the list you gave... singularly, none of them would warrant a trade... but as a whole, I understand. That said, as a viewer - and a 7-time Subaru owner - I would much prefer to see you either keep the '22 OBW and continue to mod it (or just drive it places) *or* get a different Subaru (either the '24 Crosstrek Wilderness or an Ascent and mod it). But that's easy to say as someone who has no financial stake in the process. 🙂 Regardless, having any Subaru in the stable will continue to be an enticement for me to watch. Thanks for all of your work on the channel... and for the excellent storm photography.
Appreciate the kind words, Curt! The 22 is staying here for a while and I have some plans to make it more well rounded vehicle for what we use it for. As for the other models, I just don't have tons of interest in them and they don't really do much for me personally. Until a significant change occurs with the outback model, I will be keeping the OBW. Appreciate your support!
Let me let you in on a little secret, Subaru is always slow! Always slow to put stuff in that every other car maker has. Been a long time owner have owned two Foresters, and plan on switching to the Outback Wilderness as they don't have a Wilderness Forester that has Turbo! Again brainless nonsense from the company I love. Subaru is always slow to do things 3 model years to give the option of a heated steering wheel! Yea I get it if heated steering wheels just hit the market, but this is old tech already make it an option but wait 3 years for one? The good news is once Subaru does something they do it right, however it is agony in waiting for sometimes simple shit. Like why am I considering an Outback? No Turbo in the entire Forester lineup...REALLY? In a way it's a good thing in the end because after looking at this in more detail the Outback is a better fit for me, but still lame no Turbo option in the entire lineup. Sometimes you just have to let go wait for years and what you want is now available, and the Wilderness Outback is that at least for me!
The entire turbo conversation still blows my mind. It's obviously the best option, why not introduce that into the forester and have 1 less motor on the market? I'm a newer subaru guy so I haven't felt the pain for that long, but I'm starting to see where this is going. Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh You might be new to Subaru but you are very seasoned with cars period. It's nice having you in our family! Taking notes over here on the skid plates but everything else in general🙂
Its not even the 2nd or 3rd most expensive Outback. Standard Touring and Limited XT are also pricier. Also, im not positive but im pretty sure that in the 2023 pricing, the Onyx XT was slightly more as well. I went with the Onyx XT over the wilderness for the better gas mileage.
With 2025 scheduled to be the year of a major overhaul (~ every 5 years for outback, last was 2020), I would hold out unless you really need to upgrade.
That's really good info! Hopefully you're correct.
That's some great info to know, and I'm in no rush. I love my current Outback, but really prefer to go Wilderness eventually. Especially now that it has my beloved Harmon Karden Sound System, I thought it'd be a good time, but I can wait to see what another year brings. Thanks!
I've been reading that, but every major overhaul vehicles come with its own issues. Soo, maybe wait for the 2028+ models? :P T_T
My 24 arrives next month, heated steering wheel, hardon karman stereo standard, new front bumper.
Congrats!
Love this video. I’ve had the new 2024 outback wilderness for a month now and absolutely love it. It’s my fourth Subaru. I’ve had two versions of crosstreks and two Outback’s. The dual xmode is a great new feature and can give more detail if wanted. Not sure where you are, but if you are near Missouri you could take it for a spin. Honestly, I’ve loved Subaru’s for a long time, but I’m in love totally with the wilderness. It’s a thrill to drive and the new speakers are comparable to having Bose. The Bose will give you more of a surround sound effect where as the Herman’s are more of a direct output. Having had both Harman and their stock , I can say it’s a HUGE difference in sound. I bought the tire warranty as other extra warranties, so probably won’t upgrade the tires. If there’s one thing I would change, like you, it would be the tires. Honestly, though, for what it do, they work great. I do notice the wilderness sucks the gas a lot more than my 2022 outback premium. That turbo is a game changer for the outback. I will pay the extra dime for fuel just to have the turbo. Thanks for your videos.
Right on! Thanks for the comment and information!
Recently lost my CVT transmission in my 2016 Forester at 138K. Out of the blue it started not being able to find what RPM it wanted to stay in. Had to replace the valve body for $1500 non-Subaru dealership repair shop. Down for 1 day and now drives like new.
Right on!
We just bought our 24 OBW last month and loving it! Only gripe I have with it are the front and backup cams.. not the quality or detail you’d expect from a car of that price, but all the other great features outweigh that. Lol
I couldn't agree more with that statement.
Great video Man! Waiting on my 2024 OBW to arrive at the dealer. As far as the forums and comments on TH-cam, there will always be someone who has to make a disparaging remarks about something. Keep up the good work! Thanks!
Thank you and appreciate it! The part that sucks about those misleading comments is that someone goes there for an answer and then becomes confused about conflicting info.
@@roamingwithjosh Very true! Honest reviews and information is always a winner! By the way, I pick up my 2024 OBW tomorrow!!! Super excited! Have a great one!
Facts about the CVT or Engine on the OBW 24 I`ve noticed, when the vehicle is started from cold, sometimes the car will push forward a bit when rolling out for the first few seconds. Second thing I've noticed, when climbing small hills at low speed, the CVT seems to bog down a bit like the transmission has an issue find exactly what to do at that low of a speed. Again, really subtle things and not really annoying at all. Not sure if the previous years had this behavior.
The big difference I found is, as you mentionned, the Harman Kardon sound system which sounds really good, much better than 21-23 OBW, happy about that change even at the expense of a skid plate. Also, third camera is supposed to improve pedestrian/bike detection, not a bad thing in my opinion for safety. As for the heated steering wheel, we had this in Canada already but now it's all around the steering versus only on the sides.
Good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to comment with that info.
I bought the Outback Wilderness because, at the time, it was hard to get _any_ vehicle, and I needed something that could haul 3500 lbs to pull my tiny camper. I really don't do off roading at all. Yes, it's nice to have the extra capability for sand and snow, but in reality considering the price and loss of gas mileage, it might have been a mistake in my case.
How is the mileage for you? That’s my #1 worry atm
Makes sense. Thanks for the input!
Just bought a '24 Outback Wilderness. I would never have considered a Wilderness without a heated steering wheel. Once you have one, you can't live without it.
LOL I agree!
My 2023 has a heated steering wheel. I'm in Canada.
Also, I'm holding out for hybrid.
Awesome! Thanks for the comment!
The three negatives of my 2022 SOW are the engine auto-off's default setting is on which resets everytime you turn the car off, the peudo-shifting the CVT does, and the major lag of the touch screen. I would like to know if you know if these are improved in the new model. Thanks and I love channel.
The on/off feature is definitely the worst feature of the vehicle in terms of daily annoyances. Thanks for the comment!
Helpful video thanks. Our first Subaru was a 2001 Outback that we drove all over Idaho for over 10 years. It was great in snow & surprised me everywhere else. We replaced it with a 2013 after over 100k miles on the 2001. My father in-law still drives the 2001.
I think they have been underrated for light adventure & back road vehicles. It is getting time to consider what’s next & I think I’d be happy with a 23 or 24!
Agreed and thanks for the comment!!
Ordered mine a few months ago expecting a 23, and a 24 showed up with HK sound and the heated steering wheel.. incredible surprise. Highly recommend if an upgrade makes sense for you. I didn’t have an OBW before this.
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the comment!
I have the 2024 wilderness and live in Vegas you're welcome to come out and drive it. The harmon Karlin rocks. The paddle shifters make the day. I traded my trailhawk hemi and I'm so happy!! Geyser Blue kills it😂
Right on! Appreciate the offer and may just take you up on that one day!
I have a Crosstrek, but I think Subaru makes probably the best CVT experience out there with the general auto manufacturers. I never really found mine to be all that bad. My VW CC I had before with the DSG trans is awesome, but as far as Subaru CVT goes, I honestly like it better than any of the old cars I used to have with the torque converter style auto transmissions.
Thanks for the comment! I honestly haven't had much issue with it, but it seems to be the go-to complaint for anyone when they talk about Subaru.
I would have to agree. I own a ‘18 Crosstrek and it’s my first vehicle with a CVT. I have not had any issues with it and have 105K on it. Seems to work great to me.
My 2014 Subaru Outback with the cvt felt like a rubber band when accelerating. My daughters ‘19 crosstrek feels totally different…and the simulated shifts make it feel more normal. No complaints. We are picking up a Outback wilderness this weekend. No need to wait for the 2025 and buying.a new all around capable vehicle for 40k is hard to find these days.
I don't own a OB Wilderness yet, but I was reading through the PDF owner's manual because I was curious about towing. It says you can tow up to 3500lbs, but when a towing a trailer with brakes. So it is stupid for Subaru to not have right harness to support trailers with brakes. -_-
I could not agree more with that statement. Probably one of my biggest complaints when it comes to car manufacturers.
I picked up a 2024 Outback Wilderness. I like the audio and heated steering wheel.
Congrats!
Here's what is in this 15 minute video - The 2024 is exactly the same as the 2023 with minor software changes in XMODE, heated steering wheel, new grill, and upgraded audio.
That is correct.
Thought about the 24 crosstrek wilderness?
Too small and no turbo so It's off the list for me.
I never liked CVT's until I bought my wife a '23 OBW. I am now a convert (at least Subaru's CVT). I drive a Jeep JL wrangler and a Toyota Tundra 4x4 and wouldn't want a CVT in those, however the CVT in her Subie works great.
The CVT in the subie is good, it's definitely a point of failure for the vehicle if you push its limits. If not, it's a great option. Thanks for the comment!
Just picked up a 24 OBW and just a fun fact, there’s a couple of Easter eggs on the car and I feel like it adds something fun to it.
Please share!
@@roamingwithjoshI found a pair of hiking boots in the new front bumper design, on the driver side corner (at least in the Canadian version)
@@roamingwithjosh there’s a mountain range just under the front camera and on the drive side front corner where the new honeycomb design is there are two little foot prints in it.
Any idea of when the winch mount and bumper bar will be shipping?
Dude, I'm trying. It seems like every week we get a new issue with something. Waiting to hear back now.
For X-Mode, I don’t think anything was changed; the “enhanced” is referring to the Wilderness trims having “Dual Function X-Mode” with the deep snow and mud programming. This is standard on every Wilderness to date.
Tricky wording from Subaru. I appreciate you always having some good info!
@@roamingwithjosh agreed…it would have been great for more substantial updates/upgrades and that those differences were more clearly marketed. I’d be willing to wager within the next 2-3 years they do a decent refresh. For those who financed, that is when their 60 months ends and they might be more inclined to trade up.
Heated steering wheel was alway included in canadian version.
Yea, we heard about that...
I STILL LOVE YOUR HAIR!!!! Thank you for wearing it down!
Right on bro.
I got my first ever Sub., and it is an Outback Wilderness, in part for your videos, honest and very informative.
Love my Sub, and for the price, all these people that complain about minor crap, oh well.
I got nothing to complain about it, the ride is awesome, and I'm looking to ride some offroad as soon as my break-in ends.
Keep the good work, love the vids, looking forward to ad some accessories shortly (also seen on your vids).
Thank you to help me decide on my decision with the Subaru.
Congrats on the new ride! It's a great car and people just like to complain because that's what people do. I love mine and no car is perfect.
All I want to do is put the on Ironman 2i inch kit and LP adventure rim ta/ ko tires
That's a healthy list!
Also are there any aftermarket cameras that people have found to improve camera quality?
Not that I'm aware of.
Great video as usual. Really looking forward to you getting your hands on the 2024 to put it through its paces. I’ve got a 2017 Outback Limited and looking to pull the trigger on the 2024. New wheels and tires are first on the list, but probably not much else for my needs.
Very practical way to look at it. Thanks for the comment!
There is another thing that they dropped for 2024. It has only one skid plate in the front where as the 2023 wilderness has three skid plates (apparently).I asked about the changes they made to 2024 outback wilderness and I was surprised to know this. The dealer told me 2024 has one skid plate in the front and removed the back skid plate. But when I checked the website comparing both the wilderness, the 2023 has 3 skid plates listed under mechanical specification and 2024 has just 1 skid plate.
That honestly doesn't surprise me too much. The definition of skid plate Subaru uses is merely a thin piece of plastic and most people change those out anyways. Still a very interesting piece of information and I appreciate you adding that to the comments!
The reason behind the skid plates missing is that they are manufactured in Russia. Since we know what happened in Russia they were not able to include it with the 2024.
@@michaelanthony4763 interesting! Thats a new piece of information for me.
Great video, addressed everything I was wondering about in my run up to purchasing a 2024 OBW.
Right on!
The most importing thing in the Wilderness gearbox CVT it has an oil cooler gear box. on my Forester Sport 2021 i installed one (a big cooler with a thermostat) and it changed a lot. if you can show your cooler gearbox i wil thank you a lot .it decrease the temperatures by 20-30° c.
i had a gearbox failure after only 49000 km. Subaru dealler in my country charge for new gearbox 12000$. no warrenty for this failure.
Where is the tachometer located in the 2024 Outback Wilderness?
Beside the speedometer
I knew that - ha!@@roamingwithjosh
They still have the same old gauge cluster eh? So close! My plan is to eventually upgrade my Crosstrek with an Outback Wilderness, but man I wish they’d sort out a couple of petty things that I shamelessly desire (heated steering wheel was one, too).
Nothing wrong with being petty about things you want. The 25 model will likely be a re-design and that may be what you should wait for. Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh when did they announce the 24s? wondering when the 25s will come
I have a 2021 Outback Outdoor XT (Canada) aka, Onyx (USA). I was looking at the 2024 Outback Wilderness and your comment about the Harmon Kardon speaker I asked my local dealer and they said they put those in because they deleted the skid plates due to supply issues. The skid plates were sourced from a Russian company and due to the current war with Ukraine they can’t get those parts any where else. So they replaced it with the speaker.
Yet again, not sure if that is true but it came directly from the local Subaru dealership in Vancouver, BC.
I am looking to trade mine in and its much more of a difference than trading for a new model Wilderness from a previous one. Thanks for your personal comments and glad to see the beating it can take with all that mileage you have put on it.
No worries! I will say that I did just pick up a brand new 2024 Wilderness and I'm incredibly surprised by how big of a difference there is between the 22 and 24. I have a new video coming out sunday talking about the differences.
I replaced the stock tires on my 2017 Forester with GeoLanders and it made a world of difference in trail performance. I have done some mild to medium off-road with them, Cave Creek road in Az has some sections with jagged rocks and they held up well. Now once these wear out… yeah I probably seek out something more aggressive for the ‘24 Wilderness Outback I am planning on getting. On the CVT … yeah the standard CVT in my 2017 is ok to great on road. Off-Road yeah the standard CVT in an act of “self preservation” kills power in sand when you spin the wheels. You can fake it by pumping the gas (ask me how I know) but not the best experience. The Wilderness is supposed to solve this with the Dual X mode feature. Honestly I rather have a stick but that ain’t happening. I thought the new front end was supposed to give a better approach angle, could be mistaken but hope the ARS brush bar and winch kit will still work! Thanks for sharing. Look forward to additional reviews.
I definitely don't give the geolanders enough credit and to anyone who reads the comments I think what you said is really good information. Tires are a personal choice like car color and comments like yours give people real information and not opinion which is extremely important. Thanks for taking the time to share because it could save someone some cash. I'm working to confirm fitment on the other models for the parts mentioned. Stay tuned.
I got my 2024 last weekend. The heated steering wheel is weak. Doesn’t get that warm at all compared to other vehicles. Harmon kordon is nice. Not sure if it was worth the price difference from the 2023 tbh
That's a shame to hear. I was really hopeful that it would really be a game changer. Thanks for the input!
Please revisit this topic when you do get your hands on a 2024 OBW. I value your takes and opinions on what you've had your hands on and personal experiences with. We all hear things. But how you feel regarding what you personally experience and use are what I value most about this insightful channel. Not a critique or criticism. Rather, anticipation of the high and helpful standards you have set with your content.
Appreciate the comment and when I get my hands on one I will be sure to provide my honest opinion for those who are interested in hearing it. Thanks!
My problem with the lower final drive ratio in the CVT is that my gas mileage sucks.
Makes sense
What if you just buy the two front bumper corners for $50 a piece… the hk system is tempting but I w already swapped my speakers for like $400 instead of the $1200 or so upgrade cost of an hk
That's not a terrible idea at all.
I had 2 Subaru Ascents (a 21 and then 22 model) that both self destructed. We also have a 21 forester that has been perfect so far. Anyway it is my understanding that the Ascent's have the same engine, and the same trans, as the wilderness. Although I think they are "tuned" and "programed" differently. Since both of the Ascents failed, largely because of the transmissions, I decided not to get a third. Instead I purchased a 23 Outback Touring with the 2.5 engine and the same trans in the Forester. So far so good. In case you're wondering WHY i got another Subie it was because I really didn't have a choice. It would have been difficult to take a non-functioning car and trade it for another brand. Also SOA did help some. Anyway I would be curious to know how much difference there really is (in off-road capability) between a regular Outback and the wilderness. Back in the day the Outback WAS the most capable model. Our family had several Legacy's back then. We've taken our Outback over some very challenging forest service roads in North Georgia and it did just fine. I've only used X mode for downhill decent. Otherwise I haven't needed it. If anyone has any real comparison I'd like to hear it. Also, I think the Touring is more expensive than the wilderness (hence some of the features not being included like ventilated seats). I totally believe what you said about the Harmon Cardon system. Yes, it was left off on purpose. The Outback is getting a re-do, according to Subaru, next year. So the 24, I think, is the last year for this design. Perhaps that is why they are adding some additional features. Anyway, I think for MOST people the "regular" Outback will work just fine. Also, and this is an opinion, I don't CVT's were designed to tow no matter what Subaru says. The Ascent's can barly pull themselves up a steep hill much less have anything tow. I do like CVT's but you really have to take car with how you use them. I always let my cars warm up before driving.
A lot of great info here. Not sure how much "better" the wilderness is. I think SOA found a great marketing strategy and went for and they have done well so far. The wilderness tows really well because of that turbo in my opinion.
Curious if we can buy a used 22 wilderness with 40k miles for $30k or a new 24 for $42k is the new worth it?
It's only creature comforts you will be getting.
I have Toyo Open Country in 235s on my premium and I have had no problem driving through reasonable clearance rocky trails and 4-8in of mud/snow.
Great info!
So what I hear you saying is that if you already have a 2022/23 OBW, probably not worth the upgrade to the 2024, since it’s really not a significant upgrade. BUT, if this will be your first Subaru OBW, jump in with both feet. Is that about the size of it? I’m a hobbyist photographer who would love to traverse mildly off-road areas in search of wildlife to photograph. I’m not at all interested in pushing the envelope beyond my comfort level, which is quite low. Thanks again!
If you can wait I would wait until 2025. It's going to be a re-design and it will probably be worth it. If not, the 2024 is a great option for exactly what you plan to use it for and I would go for it. This car can you out and back to just about any shooting location you want to get to.
@@roamingwithjosh - Thanks for the reply! I purchased a grey 2024 Outback Limited XT yesterday-just unreal!!!
I have the 2022 version. When people ask me how I like it, they have to listen to my long list of negative comments! 😀
Doesn't sound good
@@roamingwithjosh My major gripes are road noise, gas mileage, and the horrible infotainment center. I could do my own video just about that last item! 😀
I’ve heard the Subaru kicker tweeter upgrades make a HUGE difference on the 6 speaker non-HK stock audio system. Those are about $100, add some decent door speakers for another $150ish and you’ll be close to the HK system.
Like what’s been said previously….I’d personally keep the 22 OBW and continue to mod/upgrade to your liking. But everyone can do what they want with their money and make their own choices. Who are we to tell people what to do 🙂
Love the OBW content and your willingness to create a discussion.
I agree with your take and that's what I've decided to do. Appreciate the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh 🤝🏼 I’ll be upgrading from a 2016 to a 2024 onyx next week too!🫡
after all the thing you add to the car, didn't you reach the price of rubicon?
Not even close.
I’m with you on the heated steering wheel😂 So are you getting the 2024 or not???
I've decided to wait for 2025!
Ever car is a compromise. My girlfriend's Jeep Wrangler Sahara could leave my Wilderness in the dust off road, but I hated it for highway driving.
I agree with that totally.
When your jeep is working 😅😅😅
Or Should I Say If??? IT WILL EVEN START!!!
@@bwaters698 Jeep's Consumer Reports ratings were one reason I went with the Subaru. I'm not going off road much, anyway
CVTs are fine as long as they work - I’m at 35K with my OBXT (non-wilderness) and the CVT started slipping when cold with the wheel turned either direction. Hoping to get it replaced under warrantee.
Thanks for the input
Great video!
Thank you!
Ah I've been tempted over and over again to upgrade to the OBW! My 2019 Forester Sport is set to be done next year and I'm on the edge to get the OBW or just focus(or practice) my overlanding juice on the Forester then maybe I'll get OBW once I know what I like for Overlanding. I want to settle for the OBW because I'll be a lazy overlander that'll do little mods for car camping during the short summer months here in Canada but man! I love the idea of turbocharged engine and more cargo space esp. now that my wife and I are having a baby. Good info overall tho!
Thanks for the comment! Congrats on the little one!
Still have to take one out for a test drive but I am leaning in this direction. Just curious about the 2025 version.
Reports of a hybrid drivetrain. 2025 is a major change year for outback (5 years last being 2020)
Hopefully they got that thermal control valve problem fixed.
Never heard of it
Extremely valid and relevant
Thank you
No worries!
Tow mode? Not even a hitch for bike rack let alone towing.
Anyone know if that lower drive ratio for the CVT something that can be changed via software in old models or is that a hardware upgrade?
No idea
I don't understand why anyone would "upgrade" to a mid-cycle refresh after only 25,000 miles when they have the same generation of that model - what a waste of money!
Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh Mid-cycle refreshes are designed to give people justification to buy the generation of a vehicle that might have come out several years earlier rather than going for an ostensibly newer model from another brand. They are not designed for people who already have that generation of vehicle to "upgrade". Maybe you know this but if you do then perhaps you should tell your viewers that you are doing it for the purposes of the channel rather than it being a normal thing for non-TH-camrs to do.
Towing capacity "It's not a ton of weight" . Actually it is 1 3/4 ton. Sorry a pet peeve of mine using ton to describe a lot of anything. I just bought a 2024. As far as the new things... the Harmon Cardon stereo is awesome IMO. As far as heated steering wheel, I live in NorCal and have never had one. If my hands get cold I put the heating system to blow hot air out the upper vents and aim them at my hands so I'll have to wait for the winter to see if I like it.
I thought all OB's already had a 4.10 final drive ratio, as opposed to the standard 3.73, and that Subaru already claimed the current OB could climb a 40% grade.
You may be correct, I was merely going off the site for the 2024.
Bumper swap?? Speaker swap??
lolol second person who said that. Maybe that's the answer.
Less face? This handsome devil needs to give all face face face❤❤❤😅❤😅
Lower final drive ratio equals worse mileage, no?
hasn't changed with respect to 2023.
I'm not sure on that.
Subaru always delays features (like those speakers) a few model years so people will be enticed to trade-in.
For example, the recently announced Crosstrek Wilderness doesn't have a front camera. I promise you after two years, when everyone's lease is up, the "new" one will. Lmao. Thanks Subaru.
Great for business I'm assuming.
Will said & Will done
Thank you!
As you noted, everyone has an opinion. With that, I don't see the logical value in getting a '24 OBW, but I understand the draw of the list you gave... singularly, none of them would warrant a trade... but as a whole, I understand. That said, as a viewer - and a 7-time Subaru owner - I would much prefer to see you either keep the '22 OBW and continue to mod it (or just drive it places) *or* get a different Subaru (either the '24 Crosstrek Wilderness or an Ascent and mod it). But that's easy to say as someone who has no financial stake in the process. 🙂
Regardless, having any Subaru in the stable will continue to be an enticement for me to watch. Thanks for all of your work on the channel... and for the excellent storm photography.
Appreciate the kind words, Curt! The 22 is staying here for a while and I have some plans to make it more well rounded vehicle for what we use it for. As for the other models, I just don't have tons of interest in them and they don't really do much for me personally. Until a significant change occurs with the outback model, I will be keeping the OBW. Appreciate your support!
@@roamingwithjosh Storm photography is a field that I'd love to jump on - you may see my Ice Silver OBW out on the storm trails at some point. ;-)
Let me let you in on a little secret, Subaru is always slow! Always slow to put stuff in that every other car maker has. Been a long time owner have owned two Foresters, and plan on switching to the Outback Wilderness as they don't have a Wilderness Forester that has Turbo! Again brainless nonsense from the company I love. Subaru is always slow to do things 3 model years to give the option of a heated steering wheel! Yea I get it if heated steering wheels just hit the market, but this is old tech already make it an option but wait 3 years for one?
The good news is once Subaru does something they do it right, however it is agony in waiting for sometimes simple shit. Like why am I considering an Outback? No Turbo in the entire Forester lineup...REALLY? In a way it's a good thing in the end because after looking at this in more detail the Outback is a better fit for me, but still lame no Turbo option in the entire lineup. Sometimes you just have to let go wait for years and what you want is now available, and the Wilderness Outback is that at least for me!
The entire turbo conversation still blows my mind. It's obviously the best option, why not introduce that into the forester and have 1 less motor on the market? I'm a newer subaru guy so I haven't felt the pain for that long, but I'm starting to see where this is going. Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh You might be new to Subaru but you are very seasoned with cars period. It's nice having you in our family! Taking notes over here on the skid plates but everything else in general🙂
Not the most expensive outback….Outback touring xt is.
Thank you for that info. I was under the impression that it was.
Its not even the 2nd or 3rd most expensive Outback. Standard Touring and Limited XT are also pricier. Also, im not positive but im pretty sure that in the 2023 pricing, the Onyx XT was slightly more as well. I went with the Onyx XT over the wilderness for the better gas mileage.
Less face, more car!
Thanks for the comment!
If you need some BRoll I can film some but no where near your skill set.
Would have been great for this video! Thanks for the offer.
"promo sm"
Is it correct the final drive is diff in all wilderness years?
Supposedly so.