Outback Wilderness 12,000 Mile Review | Keep It OR Sell It???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- After 12,000 miles of various types of terrain in our Subaru Outback Wilderness, it's time to make a decision on if we should keep it or sell it for something that better suits our lifestyle. In this video, we review the pros and cons of the Outback Wilderness and finally give our take on whether this vehicle should stay in the garage or be replaced by something that we feel is a better fit for our family.
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Just a note on the wilderness as I’ve learned with mine. The transmission technically starts in the second “gear” ratio when in normal drive. If you kick over to manual mode the first “gear” is actually a lower ratio and provides better torque. Just thought I’d throw that out there for those of us taking it to the dirt.
Appreciate it!
Stoked to hear you're keeping it. I just got an Outback Wilderness myself and your videos have been extremely helpful for learning what the building process looks like, pros and cons and what not. As a new and first time Subaru owner your channel has been extremely valuable for someone in my position and I'm sure others feel the same.
We appreciate that greatly and congrats on the OBW!
As a new OBW owner I rely on your opinion. Thanks for all the advice and glad you’re keeping it.
No worries! Appreciate the vote of confidence
Every single mod this guy did to the Outback made it a worse daily driver. Which I don't get they had another jeep for overlanding.
Great video. Lot's of real world feedback and interesting points, and thanks for including Courtney. It's helpful to hear feedback from the primary driver. Thank you for all of the OBW content!
No worries, dude! Glad it was helpful.
Thanks for taking the time to share the information.
Great overview. Basically all the same points I’ve experienced with my Forester. CVT is fine for daily commuting, but it’s what I’m always worried about when off-road. I also plan to do all the same mods you mentioned at the end. Still won’t make it a jeep, but maybe a bit more fun ha.
Exactly, more fun would be awesome!
Ain't no point in making a jeep, jeeps are for climbing houses, subaru can handle everything else
Lol you guys are great!! Love all the honesty from her and you trying to convince. 👍🏻👍🏻 great video. Cant wait to see the mods
Lolol thank you!
I've driven my Wilderness less than half as many miles as you have. I'm also new to Subaru, and didn't know there was a strong brand loyalty out there. So far my experience with this Outback has been a pleasure. On the highway, the comfort level is light-years better than my Ford Mustangs. Off road, it's been up to the task on everything I've done so far. My off-road adventures will get more challenging as I check out Death Valley and Gold Butte.
I'll keep watching your channel to see how your mods work for you.
Right on! Thanks for the input and enjoy the journey!
Very cool. Thanks for sharing! Definitely on my bucket list to do overlanding.
Right on! Thanks for watching!
I am looking forward to the upgrades on the Outback! I have a 2019 outback premium (4cly no turbo, stock) and have been pulling a square drop camper with camp gear thoughtfully distributed with my family (wife, two kids and dog) without any major issue. Planning on getting a wilderness this year and swapping out rear suspension immediately for the same reasons you noted. We live in Illinois and keep our travels to mild gravel, Great Lakes area adventuring. Just discovered your channel and love the Jeep and Subaru stuff your family have done.
Right on! We appreciate the comment and would love to know what you end up going with for rear suspension. Thanks!
I know its more expensive but I'd consider switching out all 4. If you are carrying a load you want it balanced and you should also get a worthy front enhancement as well. I realize you are mostly concerned about tow weight in the back, but you can keep it balanced and get a flatout system of coil overs or similar that are customized for your load and height requirements. I think it's worth it and pays for itself in the longer run. Databyter.
@@Databyter sorry for the confusion but the plan would be all four. I recently saw some videos on the flat out brand coils. They look nice. I’ve been leaning towards LP Aventure but having a strong coil system and lift all-in-one from flat out looks good too.
@@Thrillhous.e Honestly I can't recommend brands. I'm just aware of a nice build that used the Flatouts, and researched their site. Looks pretty good, but you pay for it. I'm sure there are some other good options as well.
Big Subaru outback fan, glad you’re keeping it. I drive mine every day and it’s so comfortable but of course I don’t do the extreme off-road you do but I think you will find it a good fit for the family.
So far we agree and appreciate the input!
Glad you guys are keeping it. I am not selling my outback because of the long history of Subi's safety and reliability. I use to go off road and I had a 2013 lifted jeep wrangler just for that. Wishing you guys all the best in your future travels.
Appreciate the kindness and thank you for the comment!
I sold my 2010 Outback 3.6R recently, that car had LSD rear diff and smooth as butter V6 boxer engine with 350nm torque. I also had a 2 inch lift on it giving it a massive 270mm ground clearance. I often regretted selling it. The performance of the Subi on tarmac was unbeatable, strong and responsive, it was real sweet to drive. Off raod, at 9 tenths, the Subi could do everything that any IFS 4x4 wagon can do. I found the Subaru traction control will cut power in difficult off road situations like pushing against a rock, but when you switch off the traction control the power comes back on and you can often get through that obstacle. But ultimately the long nose, lack of front and rear diff lock, no winch, no rated recovery points stops you taking it to harder tracks with confidence. All these can be fixed by fitting a lift, aftermarket bull bar with winch mount, and diff locks front and back. To be fair, no one buys a 4x4 and take it on hard tracks straight out of the box, everyone has to make modifications, it's all part of the fun.
I agree and that’s a lot of good info. Thanks for the comment!
It is great to hear that you are getting a torq locker.... I'm really interested to see what kind of difference it makes.
Us to! Thanks for the comment!
As a subie guy myself who takes his off road, you got a lot of good points. It's a great daily driver that has the ability to go off pavement, but it's definitely no jeep. But man... that fuel economy.. haha. In regards to the suspension, it's definitely made for comfort.. that's for sure, used to drive a '19 forester that I had lifted with a long travel suspension kit, and that made a world of a difference. Currently driving a forester wilderness and I'm just waiting till I can get another long travel kit for this one. Oh! Another thing in case you aren't doing so already, make sure you are monitoring the CVT temperatures. I know the wilderness trims come with an added transmission cooler, but it never hurts to keep an eye on things. Don't want to be running it hard, just to kill the transmission on the middle of a trail.
😂😂 that fuel economy will get you every time! It’s good to hear from someone who has been in the Subaru world for a while share my thoughts because I wasn’t sure if I was reaching or there was still hope. Thanks for the info and the comment!
Yeah, good point about the CVT temp, I have a scan gauge 2 on my steering column. But their wilderness has an auxiliary CVT cooler, that’s how they got the higher tow rating.
@@roamingwithjosh nah, definitely not reaching lol its definitely a capable vehicle, but at the end of the day, it's still an AWD crossover. Also, about the touch screen, that's one of the 3 reasons I stuck with the forester when upgrading to the wilderness trim haha.
Thank you for this video! I sold my Tacoma (and got ridiculous $ for it in this market) that I adored in Oct for the OBW. I do love and appreciate the OB, much better car for our dogs, however I miss "something" I had in the Tacoma. I was just shopping a Wrangler as I've had many prior to the Taco, but am hemming and hawing. I also want to totally LOVE the OB, and echo all your likes/dislikes (love the Subaru community but the warnings/beeping & shock travel issue drive me nuts) . I do think its capable enough for what my BF and I do - this video swayed me to ultimately keep the OBW, & perhaps start adding some mods. I look forward to your experiences, recommendations, upgrades and love your brutal candid honesty. Cheers, Susan :-)
Thank you for your comment, Susan! It’s a love hate relationship, but for now we will stick it out and see what comes of it. Thanks again!
Thanks for this video. I've been on the fence on this vehicle because of the limitations I've heard from a lot of reviewers. Hearing from an owner that the limitations are real was what I was looking for. So my remaining list of vehicles are the Bronco Sport, the Bronco, and the 4Runner TRD. Thanks!
No worries! Limitations are real and it comes down to how hard you want to push a vehicle that’s not really designed for what we put it through. Thanks for the comment!
Hi from Montreal Canada!
I really appreciate your guys documenting all these videos, showing and explaining how what and where the wilderness can go/do.
As for your suspsensio issue, may I suggest you look up ironman 4x4. I installed it on my 2021 crosstrek, and aside from the real 2" lift, it does ride stiffer, handles better, but most important for off-road, much longer downtravel and better flex. It really is a world of difference
For your case, they even have the spec c coils for extra heavy loads
Hope it helps
That helps a lot. I was looking at Ironman as well as Flatout, just trying to make up my mind on it. Thanks for the info!
@@roamingwithjosh
No problem, you're welcome, feel free to ask any questions you might have on it
@@roamingwithjosh I'm getting the Flatout GR Plus installed next week, I'll let you know how it goes!
Good, honest review, albeit you jumped around a bit with the pros and cons - but that is what owning a car that is used for different things creates. I appreciate the honest thought process and the work-in progress approach. I hope you can make it work!
Appreciate the comment and the input!
Hey there! Just saw your video. Thank you sharing your experience so far. I have a 2015 OB 3.6 and thinking of putting on the torque locker that you mentioned towards the end of your video. Let me know when you’re your doing that part cuz it does have limited capabilities going steeper hills. Talk to you more next time.
Will do!
Great video! I"ve been considering an Outback Wilderness, and the information has been helpful. Not sure if you follow Driving Sports TV, but he has a video he made will a guy from Co who had installed a locker on his Wilderness. It was quite impressive how well the car did on a fairly technical trail. Sarah N Tune has a couple of videos as well testing the Outback and Forrester Wilderness models and the Forrester actually did better on the hill climb she uses for her tests.
I’ve seen those videos and recently gotten word that the forester is a better off road-er then the Outback. It’s a shame they would make these changes and not make the changes to the entire lineup, but I guess that’s just what it is. Thanks for the input!
I bought my wife a 19 Outback to commute to work. We have to put it in X mode just to get up our private road and into our garage during the winter months.
We Love our Outback and plan on buying me an Outback Wilderness next year.
awesome!
I’m not an off-road guys at all but I definitely like driving on maintained gravel roads and plan on getting one of these for overland camping. I am little bummed out that you still have to drop more cash on a vehicle that is already up there in price. My wife and I are obsessed with the wilderness and probably will pull the trigger sometime by the end of this year. I’m enjoying your videos and appreciate you documenting your journey!
Awesome! If that type of terrain is your speed then this vehicle will meet and exceed your expectations! Thanks for the comment we appreciate it!
Thanks for the awesome review. I’m actually considering this vehicle. I only need to get through sand and gravel that’s 3 - 6” deep
Awesome!
Our order wont get here until late April. Coming from a Civic hatchback i think our pros and cons may be opposite. Down the line we hope to get a jeep to play on the rocks but for now its just about getting to the places we want to go. We love watching your videos and can wait to see what you do to make the wilderness even more capable.
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the comment and congrats on the OBW!
I’m so glad that you talked about bottoming out over speed bumps yes they do and I even mentioned it to the manufacture I Cant belive it bottoms out on a speedbump oh my gosh you validated me ! Thanks
Now my wife will believe me!! Thank you!
Yeah I was happy you mentioned that too! I have speed bumps in my apartment complex and I remember the first few times I went over them, and I was like “oh geeze what the heck,” cuz it felt like it like slammed or something when the rear end went over
Preach!
Drove my 2024 OBW of the lot this weekend- my third Subaru- love it so far!
Awesome!
Hey!
So I finally received my Wilderness & I have been doing some research on it throughout the time I have been waiting for it & also once I received it, I did my adjustments on the settings. You can adjust notifications volume & choose what you want to get notified to you like your emails, texts or just screen .
Just thought I would let you know that it doesn't need to be so loud. Even text notifications can be eliminated or volume set low so its not blaring. Wishing You the best!
That's awesome to hear! We will take a look and try to get those beeps under control. Congrats on the new ride!
Thank you for all this info :)
Just picked up mine from having a Tacoma, didnt want to get rid of it long story. I love my outback thus far. There are torque converters aftermarket that can be installed to vastly improve low end torque. I knew about the windshield issues so I actually purchased a maintenance plan that covers that and other issues. Also because of what a mechanic did to my Tacoma. A little pricey but gives me peace of mind!
I was thinking about a torque converter to help with the low end, just haven’t made up my mind yet. Congrats on the OBW!
Now that you’ve had an outback for a while, would you rather keep it or go back to a Tacoma?
Glad to hear the Subaru community was a pro to the Outback! It seems you guys have a lot of knowledge off-roading and would love if you documented the changes you make. I think it'd be a great service to a lot of people who have Subarus or are getting the Wilderness variations. I feel like the community will start to get involved more in off-roading the release of these wilderness variations and would like to learn how to make them more capable. Thanks for going thru the process and helping the community out!
No worries at all! I plan on documenting the lift process as well as issues and good things to talk about for other to learn from. Thanks for the input!
Thanks for the informative video
No worries!
Love this! I own a 2020 subaru outback with 245 toyo & 2inch LP lift. I am curious to see how your torque locker turns out! I am thinking about getting one done as well.
Right on! Thanks for the comment!
Glad you decided to keep it and do the upgrades instead. I'm curious to see how the locking diff will help you out. I'll be getting a wilderness at the end of April. It'll be my 5th Outback (96, 99, 05 XT, 20 XT Onyx). I'm not where NEAR as advanced as you so it'll be fine from the factory from me probably. Glad I found you I'm really curious to see what other content you have. Thanks, algorithm! (I agree with your wife about the spacers though heh)
😂😂 yea she doesn’t love it! Appreciate the comment and I’ll keep pushing until it’s at it limit. Thanks again!
@@roamingwithjosh Stay safe though, test pilot haha ;-)
😂🤘🏻
Nice! I’m glad you’re keeping it.
Thank you!
Nice video with great info. I am getting my Wilderness in the next couple of weeks (hopefully) and start my off-roading (light) after that. Is the wheel and tire size of your car, different from OEM?
Right on, congrats! They are different than oem. We have 245/65/17 tires and the offset to run tires of that size must be different. You will have to get new wheels to run that size tires.
i just got my 2023 OBW and start to watch all your content..
Right on!
I was going to suggest torq locker, and you you also mentioned it on the video. It should improve its traction issues a lot.
I’m hoping so. Thanks for the input!
Really wanting to put a lift and skid plates on my 2019 3.6R OB. Can't wait to do some overlanding with it and getting out into the wilderness.
Right on!
I have a 2019 Ascent with 2" Lift and oversized tires. Not too oversized. I have gone thru 3 front sway bars in the past year. SHould I just remove them? I travel 90% highway and 10% offroad. Any safety issues going with out sway bars?
It's interesting seeing the comments in here and some of the people who looked at this vs a Jeep, Bronco, or 4Runner... and I think it's important to make the distinction that this thing isn't really out to compete with any of the trucks... and if you're considering one of those 3, you probably aren't the demographic for the Wilderness Subies. It's just supposed to be a capable soft-roader/overlander. It's not designed to be a rock crawler. It's for those of us who are looking for some trail capability without having to sacrifice gas economy and on-road comfort.
I'm coming out of a 4th Gen 4Runner with a frame that sadly rotted out on me. My budget's a bit tight, and I'm taking a look at some lightly used Wilderness Outbacks and Foresters. The newer Broncos and 4Runners are just a bit too far out of my price range, and I know that I need a gas economic vehicle as a daily driver. So I would like a trail capable, roadtrip worthy vehicle, and then save up for a 3rd gen 4Runner as more of a technical crawler/off-roader. The Subie helps scratch the itch while I'm saving up for a more proper "toy".
I think if you're purely looking for a true off-roader, you shouldn't even be looking at something that's not something like a truck/suv. I think this is more targeted at the demographic who want something with some of the capabilities of the off-roaders, but definitely spend more time on paved roads than trails.
i agree with you totally. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the info, I’ve been drooling over the wilderness, test drove it a few days ago and just …yeah.. I have had jeeps and full-size 2500 diesel 4x4 for ever same truck since 04 now it’s time for something that drives easier. Your real world reviews help a lot, have you an problems with water leaking from the doors or elsewhere? I’ve read up that it’s a problem
I haven't had any issues with water leaking from the doors, haven't heard of that issue yet!
This content has been really helpful. I currently have a Ford Maverick Tremor on order, but still no build date. Not sure if I will ever get it. The Outback Wilderness, which on paper won't be quite as capable as the Maverick, is one of my backup options. The other option I am looking at is getting a slightly used 4Runner for about the same price (right around ~$40k). I'm going back and forth on how much capability I'll be giving up with the Subaru vs the 4Runner.
Taylor, the biggest question I asked myself was "How many trails will I lose out on." The answer to that is very few, but there will be some you just cannot do. Also, the practical side of the vehicles is gas mileage, which I hate to even bring up because it makes me sound old. Practically speaking, the OBW makes more sense, but if you go 4runner I will completely understand why and won't blame you a bit.
*watches this sitting in my 2011 outback with 200,000+ miles on it still going strong, chanting* keep it.
LOL I love it!
Good review. I'm thinking of the wilderness for faster off-road driving. Not rock crawling. I want to swap the suspension and rear diff, and add more armor plating underneath. Too bad Subaru didn't use the same turbo engine in the Forester. What you're talking about with the CVT could be helped with an upgraded rear diff too. Also, maybe by adding some strut braces, you could avoid flex and glass breaking?
That motor in the forester would have been a great combo. I was thinking about the diff upgrade, just not sure I want to go down that rabbit hole.
I’m in the same boat. The beeping gets on my nerves but can turn it all off. Bought this car with plants to run it into the ground over 20 years (I got a lifetime powertrain warranty, and will get multiple free engines) My biggie is the low end toque. Now I have a fwd car so I’m used to full send into sketchy sections, but it’s not a rock crawler whatsoever.
No it is not! Thanks for the comment!
Thought it was gone! The mods will definitely help, but as you know....it's not a Jeep.
Still surprised a Jeep guy went Subie...that rarely happens. Usually the other way around.
Either way, I'm a fan! Keep going 🤘🤘🤘
Appreciate it!!
Thanks for the video very informative I am thinking of getting the outback wilderness also the 2024 model, my question is I have seen a few videos with people talking about the limitations of the off roading and the problems with the cvt, and like the others you never mention using the manual mode just curious why not use it or have you tried it since this video came out.
We have tried it and it definitely makes a small difference. The issue is, regardless of the manual mode or standard automatic driving mode, the car limits wheel spin to the wheels it feels need it. Even if you're in manual mode the computer takes over and sends power where it believes it should go rendering the manual concept useless for the reason you're trying to use it. It really comes down to knowing the cars limitations and accepting them for what they are vs. trying to get places this vehicle isn't intended to go. Thanks for the comment!
I've had my Crosstrek for 4 years now and never had a broken windshield, guess I'm lucky. A roof top tent would probably allow you to get to a few more places. I have a Outback wilderness on the way and my biggest concern is that big touch screen. Kinda makes me wanna back out. Oh and also, the 4 prong trailer plug in. All my trailers are 7 way. I'll find out tomorrow if the dealership will install a 7 way instead. I'm afraid they will say sorry, it's not Subaru parts. I thank you for bringing that to my attention in a previous video.
No worries! I don’t think they will, I’m going to have to instal my own. Appreciate the comment and the input on your crosstrek.
I love this review so much! Thank you! I want the Outback Wilderness. To me, practicality and a huge upgrade from a Corolla. LOL I think it'll be a great everyday driver and maybe that once or twice a year camping trip. I do hope Subaru will fix the annoying alert system you two get and the infotainment. I'm waiting to see if there will be a 2023.
It will definitely be an upgrade for you and based on the info you shared I think you will be pleasantly surprised with it!
@@roamingwithjosh Definitely would be an upgrade. I've taken my Corolla on roads it should never be on plenty of times, week long camping trip, and long road trips. I've made it work, but it is time to be comfortable. Thank you again for the review. It's so hard to find a long term impression review on this particular vehicle.
No worries. Thanks for watching!
Love you’re videos and how in-depth you go, have a question? I currently have a 2020 Toyota Tacoma am thinking about selling it for the Subaru Outback, my question is would you get the regular outback or the wilderness model. Knowing now what other modes you have to do to get it where you want it.
I think I would wait for the next Outback wilderness or get a forester wilderness. The forester has the new CVT while the Outback has the old one and the new one is much better.
How about a rav 4 adventure?
I don’t have any info on those so I would hate to give an opinion.
Hi! Enjoy your videos! What was your wheel/tire size combo in this video? Thanks
Thank you! We run lp Aventure LP7’s and BFG KO2 in 245/65/17
So many great points. You two always do a great job. And very fair appraisal of what this vehicle can and can't do. I really like your commentary on who or what exactly is the limitation in any given situation. Very well put. I like your honesty about how you have a vehicle that has great abilities that maybe your skill set has not taken advantage of....yet. Conversely, the Outback has its limitations and it sounds like your skills and experiences and expertise are beyond what this car can do...and you require a vehicle to do more for ya. Well said, and something everyone has to consider when looking at an AWD. This Subaru might be just what the doctor ordered for some. For others not so much.
A little troubling though, that Infotainment system, huh? And you're right, when the company invests so much trust in a safety system that is transferred through a device that suddenly doesn't function....not good. After only 12k I hope they fix that for you. Still though...frustrating and sorry that happened.
Great and honest review!
We appreciate the comment and the kind words! The OBW really is a great vehicle and I think I need to put a little more into it and give it an honest chance before we move on to something else. The capability is incredible for the type of car it is.
@@roamingwithjosh Awesome! And I think you nailed it. I don't think it really pretends to be anything it isn't. For the type of car it is, as long as those considering it know what it can and can't do, it seems like a good one.
We totally agree!
I was going to mention adding the rear locker. Then you brought it up. That will help immensely.
Thanks for the input!
First modification to do!!!! Pinion gear transmisión. Jajaja This video just opened my eyes,... I was a tacoma driver. With 33 inches tires, I'm my research of a capable car , saw this outback but thanks for you guys. Opening my eyes. This car never will do same , as tacoma trd off road 2018. In the market are just 2 cars. Capables to do everything as jeep does. . Bronco. Is the one.
Check for an update on the infotainment. They’ve pushed out a couple recently. Unfortunately you can’t do the updates over the air. Need to download to a usb. I’ve done all the updates and while it’s better I’m still having issues, mostly when apple CarPlay is connected. System’s been out for over two years and they still can’t get it sorted. I agree with you it’s more form over function with this system.
I guess the dealer has a new update that supposedly fixes a lot of these issues as well as gives you control over all the beeping. I’m going to see if that helps and I’ll report back!
Thanks for your videos about the Wilderness. They are very helpful.
Question for you: If the suspension, tires and differential are an issue, and you would want to replace them, knowing what you know now, would you still have purchased the Wilderness over the Onyx XT? The Onyx XT comes standard with the power sunroof and built in navigation but not Wilderness. I guess you still would have the beefed up roof rack and the badging (and more rugged aesthetics).
Although I don't anticipate making changes from stock, I am trying to decide between the two of them. I am thinking my off road needs (which are probably much less than yours) probably will be satisfied with the Onyx and I can enjoy the included sunroof and the better mileage. Hard decision though. Initially I was really thinking of getting a Wrangler Unlimited like you guys sold in favor of the Wilderness, but I could not wrap my head around the cost and the thought that I would be sacrificing on road manners and better gas mileage for off road capabilities that I might use one day a month. I thought the Wilderness was the solution, and I love how it looks and performs, but now I am wondering if the Onyx XT might be a better choice for us. It still has 8.7 inches of ground clearance, the same x-mode functionality, same interior (just with different accent stitching), the same full-size spare, but I would also get the sunroof I planned to add to the Wilderness as standard.
All your points are accurate and it’s a matter of budget and preference. I would always opt for more ground clearance, personally. A little can go a long way in a lot of situations in regards ground clearance. I also like the way the wilderness looks over the Onyx, but again, that’s a preference.
Whatever works for your family and needs is what’s best. It’s hard for me to say one way or the other. What I can say is the wilderness has been a fantastic car in just about every situation I’ve put it in.
I'm waiting for my new Outback Wilderness due to arrive any day now, and your experience with the touch screen controls is a bit disconcerting! How did you manage to reset the display, or was that possible without going to the dealer? Otherwise, it sounds like you're generally satisfied with the car with some mods.
Thanks for the great review(s)!
Thanks for the comment! The screen seems to only have issues when it’s cold. We haven’t had an issue with it lately. Hopefully it stays that way!
Sorry if it’s been asked. The “Side skirts’ (New to Subaru idk what they are called)what are those?
Rock sliders and they’re from LP Aventure
Apologies if this has been answered or is posted somewhere I am not looking; what is the brand and size of the wheels and tires you have in the video? Great content!
nativenomads.us has all the info for the entire build with links to the specific products.
Don't know if this was asked and answered elsewhere and I'm sorry it if was, but when the CVT cut power and wouldn't let you bump over a rock, what was your xmode set to? I have an Outback Wilderness but we haven't taken it on any challenging tails yet. I love your perspective because this vehicle is my wife's daily driver as well
Hey, Nathan! We didn’t have it X mode generally, but based on the feedback we’ve revived in the comments, deep snow and mud will provide you the most low end torque possible for obstacles that require it. It also helps to switch the vehicle to manual mode and control the shifting of gears through the paddle shifters to stay in 1st gear as long as possible. Hope that helps!
@@roamingwithjosh
Thanks, putting it in manual mode as well as deep snow/mud is a good point. I would think that would provide the most torque and most available wheel spin
Just sold my Honda Accord for a outback wilderness. So far it has been the best vehicle I have ever owned. Absolutely love all the features it has to offer, and I love it can go off roading.
right on, congrats!
This is a very helpful video. I'm considering selling my 2019 Toyota TRD Pro and purchasing the Outback Wilderness. We have a family of 2 young kiddos 4 and 6, we enjoy camping a handful of times a year. I'm concerned if the size would feel to small or if the touch screen is a real issue or if you just got a one off with issues?
I would say for your family size and the amount you camp it’s a no brainer. The infotainment screen is definitely a pain, but I think it’s manageable over time. Just be prepared to be annoyed in the beginning and hopefully you have less issues then us.
@@roamingwithjosh with gas prices over $4.6 in AZ and with an elderly mother who I help get around time to time I think the Outback checks off many boxes for my life at the moment. It will be hard to part with my Tundra no doubt but who knows in 3 to 5 years perhaps there will be good legit options for electric Trucks. Keep up the good work and keep it wild!
Will do!
Hey guys great video. With that said no Subaru was ever designed to go where a Jeep can go. Even the wilderness edition is basically lite off road. I do agree on the infotainment and the constant beeping however I took the car to the dealership and they updated the system with a new software and it seems to be working better so you can try that to see. As far as the windshield I’ve had mine for 3 years and never had a scratch or anything so I’m not sure what happened to your outback. I gave my outback nine out of ten because it is more than capable and the turbo engine is a plus. X mode have gotten me out of many sticky situations as well. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the input and we definitely agree with you position on its capability. I often compare the Outback to a jeep because that’s all I’m used to and really all I have to go off of. My intention isn’t to make it out to be what it was never intended to be. We love the Outback and regardless of the things it can’t do, it can do just about everything we need it to. Thanks again for the input!
@@roamingwithjosh Wow! Thank you for your reply. I understand completely. I do not think this vehicle is for everyone but if your mission is to go a bit further off the beaten path than you cannot go wrong with the wilderness. Your wife mentioned the constant beeping and the pop up alerts and I’ve had the same problem. It has gotten better with the software update but I hope Subaru listen and take care of those permanently. You guys are great so keeping doing what you doing. God bless!
There is no comparison between a body on frame and a unibody.
X mode works well allowing the computer to brake individual wheel spin, or to allow more wheel spin.
We average 4-5 feet of snow every winter. We live on a private road in which we have to plow and maintain. Furthermore our road is 1/2 a mile from the end of a county road that is seldom plowed or is the last to be plowed.
We have to engage X mode on our Outback just to get up our road and into our garage from the county road. We also have to engage our Rav and our pickup into 4WD to make it to our house.
In first stage X mode in a Subaru will disengage at 25 mph, then reengage under 22 mph.
A lot of our neighbors use to own Jeeps but have now gone to Subaru’s, as they are more reliable and more efficient than the jeeps
Awesome info!
Great video.... Did you ever consider a rooftop tent instead of the trailer? You have to remember that you have the best of both worlds with your OBW and the Gladiator. Both have there place....
We did think about putting the tent on top, but the roof rack has so many other uses for us and the tents on top of the OBW look silly in my personal opinion. Thanks for the comment!
What am I missing. I admit to not being a hard core offroader, but can any of the CVT limitations be avoided by using the manual mode? I've only had my Crosstrek for 3 months and haven't put it through much, but I do remember seeing others mention using manual mode as some sort of "work around" for the shortcomings of the CVT losing power. I believe it was in response to a TFL video.
You can use the manual transmission to offset some shortness in the CVT, but it still struggles a bit and is only slightly more helpful. That’s just my personal opinion.
My 22 Wilderness kept me from getting hurt in an accident a couple of weeks ago when someone turned left in front of me…car slammed on the breaks for me before I could & the airbags held me in my seat snugly. That’s a huge plus for me…planning on getting another one.
The one thing I will say about the Subaru is that their crash test ratings are some of the best and that gives me comfort. Glad to hear you're ok!
What’s the MPG average on yours? I hear it’s lower than what Subaru claims it is
It's definitely lower, but we have larger tires than what comes from the factory so we expected that. Right now we're at 20.5 with the larger tires.
Thanks for making this video. I am looking at the Touring XT for commuting and the occasional road trip and light trails. The windshield issue and the infotainment would be a big problem for me. I will have to research to see if those have been remedied for 2024. What year is yours?
Sounds good! Mine is a 2022
@@roamingwithjosh Thanks!
@@roamingwithjosh Thanks!
Great vid. Informative educational. I’m buying one in fall 22. The car can pretty much handle anything you throw at it and if you want to upgrade things you can. Here’s another factor to consider, cost. To get a really good 4Runner today your gonna pay for it especially at the pump now. The other factor is if you break parts. Subaru is not over the top to replace parts unlike some suvs. It holds it value very well is extremely safe and Japanese technology build quality speaks for itself. Tires are not astronomical to replace either. Again, when comparing to more off road vehicles like a Runner or lexus gx. I think bottom line here and correct me if I’m wrong, your buying a really well made Swiss Army knife type of car/suv that also won’t break the bank on fuel and repair costs and it holds its value very well.
That is literally the perfect way to put it. It can do a lot, but not everything, and that’s why we really enjoy this car. Thanks for the input!
What do you think the cost will be to replace the info screen when it fails?
Hopefully it fails within 36,000 miles so I don’t have to worry about it. If not, I’m assuming slightly north of $1000, that’s my guess at least.
Thanks for the video. I just bought one. Every review seems to complain about the CVT. I'm not as hardcore as you two though :)
lolol the CVT is definitely not it's strong point, but it's a great vehicle if you want to get out and explore. Thanks for the comment!
If you sold it, what alternatives would you consider? Since you have a gladiator and just sold a jeep, then is it 4Runner? I can't justify the mpg, transmission, slow acceleration and cost of the vehicle (even for a two year old TRD Off road) I need hatch area for a dog so trucks are out. I know Outbacks are big in the Northeast but I also know I am crossing the state line into Oregon from Cali by all of the Outbacks I see (it must be the state car!).
My next vehicle will be a 4runner. When the new re-design comes out I will definitely be getting one. Other than that, there's no vehicle that I could imagine to be better all around then the outback, especially for the money.
What color should I get ?
Whatever color you like
Good discussion.
Thank you!
I don’t think anybody is expecting this vehicle to match a Wrangler Sport or any vehicle with 4Lo etc.
But, I don’t think you can get that frustrated with a vehicle for telling you to fill up wiper fluid, especially after it seems like you continued to no fill the wiper fluid 🤷🏻♀️
I’ve had my White OBW for nearly a month now and love its characteristics on road. Can’t wait to get her out camping though.
Love the vids, can’t wait for the locker install!
Definitely not expecting, just wishful thinking more than anything. 😂😂 I feel like a light is enough, don’t text us over with wiper fluid, we’ll get there! Thank you!
@@roamingwithjosh I have a Forester Wilderness and I will say it goes through windshield wiper fluid unlike any vehicle I’ve owned before. Must be some intense streams it’s pumping out. 😂 I feel your pain on the alerts 😂😂
One other reason to keep - safety. You have a little one and its far more like you will be hit by another vehicle then get stick on a rock! My experience - Subaru protects a family.
I completely agree with that! Thanks for the comment.
I just got rid of my forester wilderness for many of the cons you listed. I really wanted to like that vehicle but it wasn’t cutting it while towing a dry 2400lb A frame pop up. 2 kids and 2 dogs made it extremely tight. I’m in a 18 Silverado. Looking at the 23 ascent. Just wish they did a wilderness edition, I’d be sold.
I totally understand. I’m sure the ascent version is coming at some point.
What apps or websites do you use to do research before heading to a trail?
Trailsoffroad.com and Gaia GPS
Thanks for the review. I'd add a comment for X-Mode users if I could, however: it's not some game-changer for rock crawling. As you said, this car isn't a rock crawler. However, in a snowy environment up/down hills or corners? Amazing. I drive a M/T 2013 forester, and my fiancee's 2017 (cvt) with X-mode, side by side in the snow? It's no contest: X-mode and CVT for sure. It's more predictable and stable, thus safer. X mode does a great job mitigating brake pressure on the tires to keep the car going where it should. Drive in the snow (slow: not past 8 mph with old systems or 25 with new) with it and you'll feel it :)
Appreciate the input! I’ll give it a go.
Owned a lifted and armored Jeep wrangler, have a Jeep cherokee trailhawk, currently trading that in for an outback wilderness. I know it won't be anywhere as capable as either when the going gets rough. It will be however much more comfortable on the road, it's much larger for the fam, and it'll be considerably more fun to drive on the road then the other two.
This vehicle has been a great middle ground for us. Trust me, I miss the capability of our Jeeps, but I don't miss the daily driving experience whatsoever. Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh the Cherokee as a DD hasn’t been terrible, my family is growing so it’s no longer large enough for what we need. Considered a grand Cherokee but the seats in that SUCK. So the next best thing was a bronco (garbage build quality) or a Subaru Outback. The latter took the prize
I have a 2021 Outback and concur that the infotainment system is a huge pain. I've had the software updated several times and it is still quite slow to boot up, freezes at times, or the whole thing just goes blank. I think the next step is for them to replace it. I miss the simplicity of my 2014 Outback.
The screen is just not a good piece of technology and there’s no way they (Subaru) doesn’t know that. To have that many functions of a vehicle controlled by a screen that has serious flaws is a huge problem for consumers and I’m sure gets expensive for Subaru to have to constantly fix. Interested to see what the next model year has. Thanks for the input!
I canceled my order. Still unsure with info screen glitches, windshield, and mpg issues
These things may be fixed in the new model, but who knows. I will do my best to continue to provide info as I get it. Thanks for the comment!
How did you make those 2 obstacles on Pinkham! I had to turn back in my 2020 OB Limited along with an F250 4WD last November. Nothing short of a severely lifted 4WD seemed possible for those obstacles. That is frigging amazing the OBW conquered them and with a trailer to boot!
I would call it skill and determination, my wife would say stupidity and hardheadedness, either way you look at it we made it out the other side! Thanks for the comment!
@6:30, dont the Wilderness models have the X2 mode to prevent this from happening?
Kind of. It's not a perfect system.
Great review! Two points: x-mode actually does make a pretty big difference when crossed up or lifting a wheel. Yes really only at low speeds but I'm definitely glad to have it when off-road.
Secondly, the washer fluid washing is ridiculous but the trick is to go ahead and use up the rest of it - then it won't constantly warn you over and over.
Appreciate the input!
Have you used the x mode in any mud?
I always forget that I have x mode haha
@@OceanVibartions I have! Works great but tires are key.
I had a 2020 outback onyx and my windshield broke 4 times, I bought the wilderness last yr and like you said within a yr I had a cracked windshield out of nowhere. I ended up trading my outback for a rav4 hybrid.
May not have been a bad idea. The windshield fiasco is a nightmare. Thanks for the comment!
RAV4 is underrated. Mine is 20 years old and I’ve never had a single problem and have no intentions of getting rid of it until it dies
I haven’t noticed any comments about this in your vids, but are you aware of quite a few OBW owners having the clunking issue I think your describing, especially when going over speed bumps? I think it’s being caused by faulty bushings. If you do a search on the Subaru Outback forums you’ll see several threads about it. However, I’d still like you to do a suspension upgrade on yours. 😉 Glad to hear you’re keeping the OBW… for now!
That’s good to know. Do you know the name of the forum?
I was surprised by you not using X-Mode off road. When it is enabled it also is an electronic low range by approximately 20%. Subaru would never tell me what the actual 1st gear ratio was so it was easy to figure out. On a flat level surface put it in 1st gear and drive at a steady 10 mph and record the RPM’s. Now put it in X-Mode and repeat. At the same exact speed your RPM’s will be approximately 20% higher. See it does make a difference doesn’t it? By using X-Mode it will enable you to pull your trailer easier off road. Subaru says you can up a 40% grade with the Wilderness, I think it’s true when using X-Mode, probably not without. I’m on my 3rd Subaru with X-Mode and I am a believer. Your comments about the infotainment are spot on. Try and change the controls when it’s below zero, not happening. I’ve learned to park it for the night with everything adjusted for the morning. Makes it a little easier to live with. Would I sell it? Nah, it’s too good of a car.
That’s really good info on x mode, I’ll have to do that test and see for myself. I appreciate the info and the comment!
It all started with my first X-Mode Outback in 2015. Subaru couldn’t figure out why I wanted to know. Just try and get out of them the first gear ratio in the normal mode. Don’t know what the big deal is. An English TH-cam video got me to looking for a answer back in the day. Glad you are keeping the Subaru for now.
Thank you!
You have to burn premium fuel and maybe gets 22 mpg , what’s your average mileage with different tires?
19.8
thanks for the honesty. I really want to try this car and it could be a car i enjoy. It sounds like your family is much more extreme that I am at this point in my life. I owned Jeeps and i can never have a Jeep again. Comfort was never good in a Jeep. They look awesome but not my thing any more.
I'm right there with you. Honestly, after over a year of ownership, this car is one of the most well rounded vehicles on the market. That's not to say it's without flaws, but overall it fits the bill for 95% of the people who want to do some decent exploring, maintain good gas mileage and , ride in comfort. Thanks for the comment!
I was going to get the new Pathfinder, then I was going to get the 4Runner, now I am looking at the Outback Wilderness. I want a vehicle capable to going off road but I am not into rock crawling or crossing rivers. I also want to be able to sleep in the back when traveling because I like car camping. Is the car quiet, smooth, and have a soft ride on the highway? I hate engine, tire, and wind noise.
It’s pretty solid on the highway and drives pretty smooth. I guess that’s a hard question to answer for certain without knowing what you’re used to driving.
@@roamingwithjosh I have a Ford F150 3.5 Eco Boost that rides like a luxury car. My GF has a RAV4 which I hate. It feels like a overweight Yaris whenever I drive it.
I've never driven a rav4, but my only assumption is that the OBW drives a lot better.
Great video. I know what the outcome will be at around the 50-60K mile mark, but the Subaru community is warm and welcoming and you’ll build a huge following. I really appreciate the honesty, especially about the limitations in capability and how easily the CVT gets torque converter speed stall, but you’ll notice, no one commenting is familiar with what’s happening 😃. Live it up you two! You all did a 27 minute video in one take! Such an awesome duo you two are.
Thank you for the comment and we appreciate the kindness! We love doing what we're doing right now and appreciate all the people who enjoy the content!
Explain about knowing the outcome around 60K? I am considering a Touring XT
@@stevenmaglio8345 there’s a high chance the CVT will fail because of pulling the trailer. It will pull just fine, until one day it won’t.
Just know that the outback XT is geared 13.3:1, the outback wilderness is geared 15.5:1, so If you’re going to pull anything there will be even more stress on the transmision and higher chance of failure. Also, the current outback XTs have an active recall on the CVT with no solution as of yet, so buyer beware. The recall does not include the wilderness model.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the info. No trailers in my future. Just glorified sight seeing. We are not campers or off roaders. We plan to move the the East/SE and would like some entry level adventures.
@@stevenmaglio8345 I’d recommend the Outback 2.5
I have a wilderness and also looking to upgrade suspension for same reasons Can't seem to find much. Do you have something in mind?
I’m working on a couple different ideas now and should have something decided in the next week or so.
@@roamingwithjosh cool, let us know!
Will do!
Another great video, hope this info helps you out...
First a question, did you try using X-Mode Deep Snow & Mud at all? Particularly when the transmission appeared to be cutting all power. Officially X-Mode does nothing to increase torque, but I have speculated due to personal experience with the vehicle that Deep Snow & Mud does help with torque. I have also speculated that a lot of what appears to be the transmission cutting power is really the traction control system bugging out which X-Mode Deep Snow & Mud in theory should help resolve. Overall standard X-Mode functions pretty much like X-Mode on all of the Subaru vehicles and the main concept here is to simply limit wheel spin and simulate the effects of a locker. Standard X-Mode will automatically turn off at speeds above 25 MPH. Deep Snow & Mud mode functions differently on the Outback Wilderness compared to other Subaru vehicles with this functionality. Deep Snow & Mud has two modes of operation a low speed mode that operates at and below 25 MPH and a high speed mode that operates at speeds above 25 MPH. This means that X-Mode Deep Snow & Mud will NOT turn off at speeds over 25 MPH once its turned on it will stay on regardless of vehicle speed. Note, this only applies to the Deep Snow & Mud mode on the Outback Wilderness. The primary function of X-Mode Deep Snow & Mud is to allow wheel spin while still attempting to maintain forward movement.
It is interesting to see what you guys have done with the Outback Wilderness... I really feel that as it pertains to X-Mode and the CVT you guys have really put the car in a worse case scenario with the trails that you have been driving on. Any terrain that requires low speed high torque driving really just seems to bog the Outback Wilderness down, specifically the CVT. Whereas mud and snow for example the Outback Wilderness often times excels... and in some cases does better than 'off road' vehicles that don't have lockers. Personally I would not drive an Outback Wilderness on the trails that you guys were on, lol... mad props to you and it was fun seeing it do it. I live in the South East and given the trails that we have access to here I find that the Outback Wilderness really excels. Its bread & butter really seems to be aggressive forest service roads, mud, and snow however I could see where driving on the trails that you were on would be problematic. I would suggest giving X-Mode another try and really playing around with the different modes in different situations. While it may appear that it was of no help and most likely it was not on those trails I think that you will find that depending on the trail and situation that it can be very helpful.
You mentioned getting the Torq Locker, as far as I know they have not yet released a Torq Locker for the Outback Wilderness. Also if what you were experiencing was in fact the CVT cutting power the Torq Locker is not really going to help with that... All the Torq Locker is going to help with is locking the rear axle and increasing overall traction, but wheel spin at least in the videos posted on your channel really did not seem to be a factor for you. If wheel spin was a factor before you purchased a Torq Locker I would suggest giving X-Mode another try as this is the primary function of the system, limiting wheel spin. Again though wheel spin really did not seem to be an issue for you which is also why I suspect that you did not find X-Mode to be helpful because all it does is limit wheel spin.
I am interested in seeing what you are able to do suspension wise. Articulation and wheel travel is an issue in my opinion. However the current suspension kits that are on the market only increase the ride height and don't really do anything to increase downward wheel travel. It would be nice to find a kit that not only increases ride height, but increase overall suspension travel. Please keep us posted on that.
In regards to the infotainment system (aka the screen) issues that you were having Subaru has released a few updates for the screen. I would suggest taking it to the dealer when you can so that they can apply those firmware updates it should help with overall stability. One thing to keep in mind is that turning the car off does not actually 'reboot' or 'shutdown' the infotainment system like it does a computer. In order to actually reboot the infotainment system you need to hold down the volume and tune buttons until the unit reboots. If done correctly the infotainment system should fully reboot and you will see some warning lights on the dash regarding eyesight, these will go away once the unit has booted back up. This should provide an immediate quick fix to any issues that you are having with it.
As for the infotainment firmware updates they shouldn't have to take it in. Ohhh yeah Subaru is in court over 3rd party repairs in some states.
@@tpseeker3367 technically this is correct, but IMO its not worth the hassle and in the off chance that something goes wrong and it bricks the unit better to have it at the dealer already.
I appreciate the info on all that and it’s good to get someone who can break down the x-mode and CVT issues. I’m new to the Subaru world and really don’t have the experience with vehicles to understand all the components, which makes comments like yours super helpful in educating us so we don’t make a poor decision.
We’ve definitely taken this vehicle beyond it’s intended limits, but it’s been able to accomplish those situations so far so I think we are going to continue to push it for as long as we can to help people understand it’s limitations. Thanks again!
True, True @@FracturedNinjabutt how often have you picked up your cell or looked at your monitor & seen your system updating knowing you turned off automatic updates? If the OBW can act like a 2yr old sending texts & emails screaming for windshield washer fluid it has the ability to autoupdate when Stationary.
Then again I Won't buy Any vehicle made after 2010 due to too much tech. Let alone paying for repairs to tech anymore. There's vehicles that cost $3,ooo to replace outside mirrors just cause it has lane avoidance & needs a tech to align them.
@@tpseeker3367 I see where you are coming from, but understand that there is a difference between firmware updates and software updates. What I am suggesting be updated is the firmware and the software of the infotainment system. As far as comparing it to a computer the same risk still applies when doing firmware updates. I have seen many computers and servers working in IT that no longer function at a hardware level (beyond repair) after doing firmware updates. Software updates such as Windows updates have a lot less risk, but it still happens from time to time that the system no longer works after the updates are installed. Interesting thing to note is that the Outback Wilderness does have the ability to do Over the Air Updates, but Subaru disabled it due to the issues it was causing.
Overall your points are valid, but its not as simple as one may think especially when working with a system that has clear stability issues. The infotainment system in the Outback as a whole is a huge disappointment and is riddled with issues... issues that are caused by software instability and hardware instability. As someone that works in IT I can tell you that installing firmware and software updates on critical devices that are generally regarded as unstable is something that you want to avoid at all costs.
How was MPG after lifting and adding larger tires?
I've lost .6 MPG since the lift and the tire carrier.
Great video and thanks for your thoughts. I am considering one myself depending on a job I'm putting in for in Vermont. However, I'm a little confused that this thing bottoms out going over a speed bump. That does not compute. Maybe a video that shows it or can further explain...no way should that happen unless something is wrong...thanks again!
My thoughts on that are the down travel of the suspension bottoming out, not the vehicle itself. When that suspension hits its limit going over a speed bump it makes a very noticeable noise.
@@roamingwithjosh I don’t even know what this means 🙄
was looking at OBW and your comments help and sounds like a extended warranty may be helpful because of electronics?? but still hard to give up my sirrah with 17 mpg LOL but it also brakes windshields, still thinking and ill keep watching
I'm glad you were able to get something out of the video!
The outback is going to take you to 85% of where you wanna go. I’ve got a 3.6r and I’ve pushed it hard. The outback is a soft roader. Great mpg, easy to park, it just works. In the middle of nowhere, it just works. Also for all the auto tailgate people, the hatch open draws battery. If you leave it open for long it’ll kill it. I stick a carabiner to trick it.
We agree and appreciate the input!
I'm buy one this year wouldn't go over broad of changing too much. The first thing I do would spacers for the shocks then lockers.
Awesome!
I'm thinking about picking up one myself but seems like the infotainment system might be a deal breaker for me to wait for the 2023 version. How long do Subaru typically release new year cars ?
Probably in the 3rd qtr of this year. It should be able to be fixed with a simple software update, but that hasn’t happened yet.
It is very unlikely that the issues with the infotainment system will be corrected with the 2023 version of the Outback Wilderness. The reason for this is that at its heart the Outback Wilderness is just a Gen 6 Outback and every Gen 6 Outback uses the same infotainment system and they all have the exact same issues that the one in the Outback Wilderness has. Unfortunately Subaru has been using this infotainment system since 2020 and has yet to correct the issues with it... as a result its unlikely that we will see these issues resolved until Subaru release the Gen 7 Outback which if I were guessing want be until around 2024.