@@damo7228 not a bad idea russia never had a vaccine mandate russian business never insisted vaccine or no work russia doesn't have GST russian people pay 13% flat rate of tax , not bad hey
@@Stonefeather53fuck me when the libs announced they were changing the play to “hybrid” internet I couldn’t believe it. That’s like buildings highways but keeping all the streets as dirty roads, then have the audacity to say but it will have us money… like what?
Wasn't it the Liberals that shot it in the leg because they said it would cost too much and we didn't "need" the infrastructure that "leftists" knew was already obsolete.
For nearly 200 years, Australia's National telecommunications and national broadcasting services were once considered the gold standard which other Countries tried to emulate while No longer, today Australia does not have the visionaries nor the high caliber expertise to succeed at such major projects. Witness todays sustainable energy fiasco as the latest example.
Starlink as a whole with 6200 satellite's cost $18b to develop, Australia's 2 NBN satellite's cost $56b and remember the NBN still isn't finished. and remember starlink covers the entire planet, nbn hardly covers one country. But we deserve what we get.
You can’t only include launch costs, and at cost price. Or did you mean $12 billion for the basic development? Have to consider the investment in a rocket company, the cost of every individual satellite, launches, development, ground stations etc. Musk has done really well. But it was not something any individual country could do.
Yeah but 6k satellites is only a fraction of what is really needed. They need over 120k just to support their current USA subscribers. Which is fk all at the moment. It's 2000% overclocked their at the moment. The real cost of a true full Starlink array in boarding on a trillion dollars. And the satellites only last 4 years & the entire array needs to be replaced. It's a nonsensical solution that can never turn a profit. And it's lower quality that most fixed services. It's only beneficial to the small minority living in dead zones.
@@mervstash3692 Starlink will have approximately 50k satellites when finished. With Starship operational their cost to launch will get even lower and the capacity and size of the satellites (more capable satellites) will increase dramatically. They are already offering a very stable and fast connection and there is really no problems with the service anywhere in the world. The only place with reduced performance is in the densely populated cities with many users, because obviously you cant serve everyone at once in such a little area with limited amounts of satellites flying overhead. As of 2023 Starlink has officially become profitable and is currently one of the main sources of income for SpaceX, in large part funding the development of the Starship program
25mbps down, 9mbps up. It's a joke and I'm an IT guy by trade. This nation is a joke, it's politicians are a joke and the biggest joke of all are the voters who let it all happen year after year.
@@Rexhunterj Well said. I think you have verbalised what most Aussies think. NBN executives are just public servants, let them get paid like public servants.
@@louskunt9798 I found NBN to be adequate, but I wanted excellent. I was paying $90 a month on NBN, now I pay $139 a month and it is worth every cent. When the Govt runs something, the best you can expect is adequate.
@@jameswilson5958 Yep, you can't argue with wifi junkies. Starlink will NEVER beat what a fibre cable can deliver, fair enough if there is no fibre service.
@@jameswilson5958 I can only assume that you are an idiot. nobody has suggested that Sat based internet is better than F/O. Now run along and compare what you have with the average that someone on NBN Sat or F/W has and ask yourself why they are abandoning the service in droves.
After all these years, they are still standing around, scratching their arses, and picking their noses, as though it was 1960. Thank Malcolm Turnbull for this fustercluck!!!
@@Deontjie I'm not sure mate, as I grew up in the far west of Oz playing Australian Rules Football, and then in adulthood moved to the far eastern side that is dominated by the Australian Rugby League game that is a little bit different to the not as popular game here International Rugby Union that you are probably referring to. Hopefully they are not letting us down🇦🇺. Lol Aussie Aussie Aussie
Plus, that thing in the background looks like some Hideous Occupuss Transformers Pyramid dominating over an Orange Burning Parliament House with a Green Agenda on top and Pretty Solar Cells in the Right Sky with Diamonds 😏 May I have Julia please cause I want to f her well. ?😘👸🏻
@@MrWhitmen1981 they actually signed me up to a 100mbit NBN plan, and it was going to be delivered through VDSL2 over copper by the NBN co. But I only averaged 20mbit so the ISP refunded me instead lol.
Yup the NBN was all a rort giving work to overseas Making out flying them here feeding clothing housing them was cheaper than hiring locally and then give you spin they need skilled workers
Why does everyone have to mention he’s a billionaire. He doesn’t own a house. He works 16 hours a day to advance us all. Money doesn’t mean anything to him superficially. Just drop it. It’s a waste of time
NBN that still isn't finished with its 2 satellites and doesn't cover all of Aus with a max speed of 100mbit cost $56b - starlink with its 6200 satellites that cover the entire planet that has unlimited data and speeds of about 300mbit cost $18b, which is why even though I'm in the city I've been on starlink since it was release several years ago.
To end public reporting after losing in business competition is a clear sign saying that we dont want our customers to see how much we are ripping them off. And with the aussie government involved shows that they too do not care about their citizens.
If they installed it properly, we'd not have any of these issues and we'd be serving 100mbps via cable to each house. But of course the politicians need to make sure they take 60% of what is there in the project as a pat on the back for even suggesting the idea.
@@M_a_r_ke Telstra never intended to run it anyway, they just wanted their infrastructure used to slug the taxpayer and outsource the techs as they have done for years. Instead of someone better winning the tender, we got this disaster.
Without Unions you wouldn’t have a 40 hour working week, paid annual leave, or the benefits of a safe working environment. The current state of corruption in the unions is a disgrace yes, but there’s a lot to be thankful for.
@@2schrag and that all happened how many decades ago? holden is out of country because of unions and how many other manufacturing jobs are moved because unions want $40-50 an hour for a factory job? how many times does the unions strike (aka hold a city hostage) when it is peak hour or holiday travel or exams for kids? how much do you pay someone before you just move the company overseas or revamp to get rid of human employees and replace with machines that dont cry foul all the time? the argument that unions are for the people died when we came into the 2000s now they are as corrupt as the governments. you need to stop justifying their actions because of the past which was before the current working generation was born. if the unions truly cared like you think they did why havent any previous heads come out condemning the current state of them or their bullying tactics to try and get ridiculous pay?
@@VibrantLivingLists happened many decades ago. absolute power corrupts absolutely. The unions destroyed the local car manufacturers because they got greedy. Their standover and bullying tactics in construction is abhorrent. The current union movement is corrupt. Unionism isn’t bad, just the current implementation of it is
@@VibrantLivingListsHolden and had been receiving government handouts for DECADES before they closed. Our local manufacturing could never keep up against the manufacturers who shipped us international models
@stephenw2992 if you can't turn on every hot tap on in the house at the same time & get full strength, fully hot water, is it the government's fault? Or do you just have too many people using the hot water? And are you really still clinging onto issues from nearing 2 decades ago? Imagine in 2007 still complaining about something that happened in 1990.
Yeah there is a two lane overpass about 50m long and a footpath being built near my house currently....coming up to 8 months now that its been under construction and probably got months left to go at the rate they are moving. Also, i only said 8 months because thats how long ive been living near this location...so can probably assume that there were several months construction before i moved there. Absolute f*cking joke
@tomr6955 even our 5g isnt great mmwave tech is a rarity, even in the heart of the cbd, and so far very few devices are able to connect to it the pixel 8 pro can, and got over 2-4gbps which is double the speed the current highest consumer nbn plan provides our 5g implementation isnt great and then the nbn is a joke
@@currymanmrkerryking one of the two main roads into our remote suburb in the mountains, has had roadworks for over 14 months now. 15 accidents have happened in that time, which is 7 more than BEFORE the road was ruined by constant road works and clearing out the native trees that provided sound blockage. They turned a perfectly functional road into a disaster. When it rains you can't even tell what side of the road you are on anymore, last night we nearly swerved off road because of the shit planning and even more shit job from the council contractors. It's good to see mates serving each other while the rest of us suffer.
The Funniest thing, few months back we had a Crew out the front dig up tge foot path. So I asked what they were doing. "We are upgrading your nbn", I start Laughing and siad "mate your like five years late and I already have Starlink".
Drops out in heavy rain had that a few times but yeah mostly works and I bought it when NBN Fixed wireless broke down in QLD Floods a few years back as the generator ran out of fuel lol and the tech couldnt get to it due to floods.
Tony Abbott destroyed the nbn before it could even get off the ground. Tony is the man to blame. We were going to have the minimum standard for the world, but he thought, nah no one will ever use the internet...
It’s almost as if the government shouldn’t place multi billion dollar bets on being able to predict all the technological advances which may occur in an industry
They aren’t there to do that ! They should stay in their lane but the ground based nbn needed to be done regardless for ground nodes of the starlink system. They got it half right
Quite honestly, the most expensive part of the original NBN was to put the fiber into the ground. Then you can upgrade either end without ever having to upgrade the fiber. Then the liberals decided that Australia didn't need that, so we ended up with our obsolete infrastructure. As in, obsolete when the original NBN was concocted
Our house runs on Wireless NBN- sateliite type dish that points to a tower on a hill behind us; reception drops if windy or raining, tower goes down multiple time a year, all for $105/ month on Telstra
all the wireless stuff is at uhf and is line of sight anything getting in the way will block it,starlink works because it is straight up and down with multiple satellites so apart from storms is hard to block all terrestrial wireless services were always going to be problematic. should have been fibre to the home as first planned and also better quality servers in the network but that is down to private companies ie telstra
I live rural. We used NBN satellite, but it was an absolute rip off. Minimal data allowance. Next to no bandwidth and very slow. Never looked since signing up to Starlink. So fast 260+mps via ethernet cable and 150mps to 176mps with wifi. Great bandwith. Down times are minimal. Works even in rainy weather. Worth the extra $30 per month.
The geostationary satellite that the NBN uses is a completely different technology to LEO Starlink, and its primary purpose is military communications, so the civilian use of the system is a bit of a ruse. During a major international conflict the LEO satellites would be more vulnerable to attack and China has in fact publicly threatened to destroy StarLink. I use StarLink and NBN fixed wireless at the same time but can't justify the cost of setting up another redundant link using the NBN satellite too. Anyway if WWIII breaks out I'd be focused on my vegetable garden, not on teh interwebs.
Government allowed telcos to structure plans in Australia that started at absurdly low speeds (12-25 mbps) at expensive prices to make us the ‘clever country’. Since that just about every country far exceeds our speeds with wider coverage. So much for that idiocy!
Indeed, but don't forget that Starlink service in Aus is approx 50 AUD/month more expensive than unlimited NBN (140%). The sad wreck that is NBN, which we were all forced onto like it or not, will end up the trash grade service for the poor while all that can afford to will go to Starlink.
Were in the bush. We had Skymuster originaly. 20mbps on a grest day -5 most days and drop out if you had a few clouds. Switched to STARLINK, average 160mbps and higher with supplied router. Drop outs non existant even in a storm. If you Fit grunty off board router, 260+ mbps. Awesome. We have hard wired NBN in our town house, thats 50mbps. Thnkyou thankyou ELON, Its a game changer and can make remote living the new way to live and work.
No Thanks. I cannot afford the cost per month on residential address in South Australia. Need pensioner discount , no more than $45.00 per month. That is why we don’t have internet connected to our homes.
It’s not just inefficient for internet service, it’s also very inefficient all around. I once applied for a job with them and they didn’t get back to me until years later.
Well that's interesting. I will check the availability of Star link and the prices and maybe I will jump ship too. Maybe we can the CEO of the NBN to cough up a bit of the shortfall. let's be honest anything the government touches will turn into a bloody disaster. Always has and always will.
I’m 6km from the Melbourne CBD and my NBN service is atrocious! For 3 years I’ve been putting up with degrading copper cables and worsening line noise whilst waiting for a cable rejuvenation project which is always 6 months away, all while they tell me the area is eligible for an upgrade to FTTP, but as yet no update on when. While this is happening I’m putting up with what is genuinely worse than 3rd world internet - 25mbps max speed download, 5mbps upload, intermittent drop outs every hour at some times of day, 3 long-term outages that have taken a week and an NBN technician each time to resolve, and to top it off, because there is a long term “case” active on my connection, every single time I call Optus to discuss, I get told they can’t raise another case with NBN while another one is active, so it has to escalate to a case manager just to get anything but the runaround. If that’s what Starlink is competing against, it’s no wonder they’re stealing customers at a great rate of knots…
yeah like the telstra privatization and the electricity privatization they have provided much cheaper services haven't they ,oh and don't forget the toll roads they are so much cheaper now
I swapped from NBN wired, fiber to the node, to starlink. Multiple outages on NBN, no one to hold accountable, and speeds of 25 mbit for $80/month!! With starlink I was reliably getting 200-300 mbit, no outages lasting >2 mins, and paying $130/month. ISPs need to get their shit together before more Australians start giving their money abroad.
Probably at attempt to cover themselves or towards some of their audience who may not like him, and he does stupid stuff all the time, like random tweets at 4am in the morning that end up deleted while being up all night on ketamine 😄
It is different in the bush, at least where I live. Starlink is CHEAP compared to what NBN offers and it is unlimited which is great for me as we have a very big family who are always using it. I think the last time I looked we were using about 300-400 GB per month.
The Starlink pricing is quite odd, low if they have little take up, high otherwise. My French house I pay 40 euro a month plus 10 for type 2 equipment rental. No contract either and that’s only 10 a month total more than the areas useless Orange adsl(3 mips….).
Starlink is expensive, but it works. I got set up in 1 hour the same day I decided to buy it, nbn would take weeks to schedule installation and I'd be on fixed wireless, which is not that great.
ive never heard such crap in my life. its over priced, drops out constantly and its slow af. my work had it and after the first month they were forced to get rid of it cause it just wasnt able to handle even phone calls
I'll explain it to you in plain english "The NBN is a steaming pile of politics" I should point out that Australia is behind a number of 3rd world countries on internet, and has actually gotten worse since the NBN was implemented(Also, the rollout is still not finished) As of 2024, Australia ranks 86th in the world for fixed broadband speeds, with an average download speed of 57.9 Mbps, which is significantly lower than the global average. For mobile internet, Australia ranks 26th globally, performing better in this category. The country's internet speeds are slower and more expensive compared to many other developed nations due to factors like vast geography, low population density, limited competition, and aging infrastructure. The National Broadband Network (NBN) project has also faced challenges, contributing to these issues.
I'm not sure about Australia but in America the government has never ran or funded a successful business. Unless you count theft as business they're batting 0000000%
Okay look, I hate the ALP too but running 1gbps fiber to each house is HOW you get good internet. We should be using nodes to receive mobile/satellite connections and distributing them to the houses directly via fiber-optic rather than 50 year old copper like it is now. I make calls on our landline and it drops out not because the internet is bad but because the 600m long copper line from the node at the end of our street has not been serviced in over 10 years. There's no point upgrading infrastructure if you aren't seriously going to invest in repairing the existing infrastructure at the same time. Instead we cut costs thanks to the LNP and changed from FttP to FttN which is undeniably worse than FttP, worse speeds, worse quality, worse connection, cheaper for the government.
@@Rexhunterj When I see the folk who have to do work on those spaghetti boxes, with wire that would corrode if it even looked at water I wonder what the hell is going on. Everything we use is decades old and owned by a company with a govt stake in it and makes sure it still remains in your life. Can we just get rid of the problem and start over. Not like the infrastructure is there, just replace the 70 year old nonsense. I see lots of that blue cable being run through them as it is already.
Friendly reminder to all: the reason we have NBN like this is solely because Murdoch (who owns Sky and used it to push his agenda) wanted to keep cable profitable. Originally the NBN was fibre to the premises for every australian household, maybe looking at secondary options for the most remote areas. Murdoch’s buddies in the Liberal government deliberately sabotaged the NBN to be in Murdoch’s (and Sky’s) good books. Had it been implemented as planned by Labor, Australians wouldn’t have needed to turn to Starlink. i was one of the first australians to receive the starlink kit and it changed my family’s life. Sky News is complicit in the active obstruction of first world internet in our country, running puff pieces about how “all you need is” in line with the Liberal’s revisions to satisfy daddy murdoch.
Well if the coalition government didn't decide cheaper is better back in 2013 we wouldn't be having these issues And anybody who says they have had 10 years to fix it just remember for how many of those 10 years the coalition was in power
They spent 10 years telling us how to not fear coal and still didn't build or hand out billions to the privates to build them. Instead we got forced into a 700 billion dollar purchase of useless subs, to think it makes you strong and buff to challenge China. That could have built a lot of things to help out everyone.
My sister lives in a very isolated ranch in Kansas. With Starlink, she has faster and more reliable internet than me, who lives in town and has fiber optic.
They need to fix the infrastructure. Also some of us are treated like second class citizens. I.e those who live on military bases still have old copper...
My neighbour has fibre to house while I “had” fixed wireless! I asked NBN two years ago about having the same as my neighbour, the fibre goes past my house! Was told it would cost me $10K! Changed to starlink, went from 15Mbps to 350mbps for an increase of around $40p/m. NBN = white elephant! Didn’t we all pay for it!!!
And Australia is still pumping millions into old NBN technology.. 1.1 billion in 6 months… Its a no brainer why Elons tech should be our new internet and phone service.
And how is it "old technology",,,, fibre optic is current tech and the most effiicient and able to deliver the highest speeds,,,,, go and learn some shit.
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the scariest thing about living in Australia is the government.
Lol. Feel free to move to Russia.
How true. They don’t work for us though.
@@damo7228 why not stay and turn it around?
@@damo7228 not a bad idea russia never had a vaccine mandate russian business never insisted vaccine or no work russia doesn't have GST russian people pay 13% flat rate of tax , not bad hey
Feel free to live in North Korea
I worked on the NBN installation 10/11 years ago for Sydney, Hobart and Launceston, and we knew as we were designing it it was already out of date.
Well, at least it’s finally all FTTP now.
@@sylviam6535 The Liberals made it FTTN and it still is.
@@Stonefeather53fuck me when the libs announced they were changing the play to “hybrid” internet I couldn’t believe it. That’s like buildings highways but keeping all the streets as dirty roads, then have the audacity to say but it will have us money… like what?
Wasn't it the Liberals that shot it in the leg because they said it would cost too much and we didn't "need" the infrastructure that "leftists" knew was already obsolete.
If you want something stuffed up give it to the government.
For nearly 200 years, Australia's National telecommunications and national broadcasting services were once considered the gold standard which other Countries tried to emulate while No longer, today Australia does not have the visionaries nor the high caliber expertise to succeed at such major projects. Witness todays sustainable energy fiasco as the latest example.
@tomr6955 They could, once upon a time.
Oh, I can think of one gov't that could make the trains run on time, but that's none of my business...
LNP specifically as they butchered the NBN
Specifically the liberal party who butchered the NBN
Having more than 4 years Starlink, love it.
...its hasnt been out for 4 years yet lol
@@wtf22playa56 it definitely has been
@@wtf22playa56It's been out for 6 years
@@frutato7498 ...the first satellite never launch til 2019...so work that out genius
@@jashpaper8370 in America maybe, i'm assuming the guy who replied is Australian, which we never got it til 2021
Starlink as a whole with 6200 satellite's cost $18b to develop, Australia's 2 NBN satellite's cost $56b and remember the NBN still isn't finished. and remember starlink covers the entire planet, nbn hardly covers one country. But we deserve what we get.
You can’t only include launch costs, and at cost price. Or did you mean $12 billion for the basic development? Have to consider the investment in a rocket company, the cost of every individual satellite, launches, development, ground stations etc.
Musk has done really well. But it was not something any individual country could do.
Yeah but 6k satellites is only a fraction of what is really needed. They need over 120k just to support their current USA subscribers. Which is fk all at the moment. It's 2000% overclocked their at the moment.
The real cost of a true full Starlink array in boarding on a trillion dollars.
And the satellites only last 4 years & the entire array needs to be replaced.
It's a nonsensical solution that can never turn a profit. And it's lower quality that most fixed services.
It's only beneficial to the small minority living in dead zones.
@@mervstash3692 so since theyre small minority, they dont deserve internet?
@gregorya72 any government could, if it wasn't just wasting money on unions and kickbacks
@@mervstash3692 Starlink will have approximately 50k satellites when finished. With Starship operational their cost to launch will get even lower and the capacity and size of the satellites (more capable satellites) will increase dramatically. They are already offering a very stable and fast connection and there is really no problems with the service anywhere in the world. The only place with reduced performance is in the densely populated cities with many users, because obviously you cant serve everyone at once in such a little area with limited amounts of satellites flying overhead. As of 2023 Starlink has officially become profitable and is currently one of the main sources of income for SpaceX, in large part funding the development of the Starship program
And lets not forget all those 'Australian' jobs being off shored to India. Well done NBN for inspiring such loyalty.
Right? Call up an "Australian owned" company and have someone halfway across the world try to solve your problem. What a joke.
I remember buying a pressure cooker and it said it was made in Australia. Really! not China?
Not just the NBN
@@getrekt2160"sir."
@@jrt818 Australian iron 😂
lol and the CEO of our NBN is the highest paid civil servant in Australia at over 3million annually including bonuses
FOR F--K SAKES!!!! Bloody infuriating parasites!!
only just enough for a happy meal with albo's inflation
Why would you pay some tool that much to run it into the ground 🤔😳
also look at who has been hired and how they are related. Then scan the financials
@@FlyOz-b7b result: inquiry by government at taxpayer expense has found no wrong doing
Cut the salaries of NBN Top Executives. Stop giving your mates big salaries. Both the parties have failed. I am in the bush and the NBN sucks
25mbps down, 9mbps up.
It's a joke and I'm an IT guy by trade.
This nation is a joke, it's politicians are a joke and the biggest joke of all are the voters who let it all happen year after year.
@@Rexhunterj Well said. I think you have verbalised what most Aussies think. NBN executives are just public servants, let them get paid like public servants.
so go and buy musks version at $150 a month
@@VK4VO NBN is $110/mth. Starlink is $139/mth.
I switched years ago from NBN fixed wireless to Starlink. zero regrets.
100%! NBN was terrible. Starlink is amazing!
@@louskunt9798 I found NBN to be adequate, but I wanted excellent.
I was paying $90 a month on NBN, now I pay $139 a month and it is worth every cent.
When the Govt runs something, the best you can expect is adequate.
If you're in the bush it works better of course. I'm on FTTN - 950mb DL, 50 upload 1-2ms. Tell me yours is better.
@@jameswilson5958 Yep, you can't argue with wifi junkies. Starlink will NEVER beat what a fibre cable can deliver, fair enough if there is no fibre service.
@@jameswilson5958 I can only assume that you are an idiot. nobody has suggested that Sat based internet is better than F/O.
Now run along and compare what you have with the average that someone on NBN Sat or F/W has and ask yourself why they are abandoning the service in droves.
Watching this by using Starlink here in Sweden! During the years it got better AND cheaper.
I have 3 supermarkets nearby but I’m still waiting for NBN. What a waste of tax payers money
you have nbn...just probalay not fibre. Check the rollout up for an eta on it.
I have NBN and it's always dropping out, so don't be in a hurry to get it.
Don't waste your money on dated technology, new ones will be available in 2025.
I have NBN's Fiber to the premises (FTTP).
After all these years, they are still standing around, scratching their arses, and picking their noses, as though it was 1960.
Thank Malcolm Turnbull for this fustercluck!!!
Proud of my Country.
Ashamed of my Government.
How is your rugby?
@@Deontjie I'm not sure mate, as I grew up in the far west of Oz playing Australian Rules Football, and then in adulthood moved to the far eastern side that is dominated by the Australian Rugby League game that is a little bit different to the not as popular game here International Rugby Union that you are probably referring to.
Hopefully they are not letting us down🇦🇺. Lol
Aussie Aussie Aussie
Well said
The most incompetent business/corporation in history 😡😡
God helps, that includes Telstra!
God help us
You look at the breakdancing fiasco and our prime minister is at the same mindset
Can't be helped when the liberal treat corporations to buying off their crap
Governments doesn't create anything
our internet here in australia is a joke full stop
People tried to WARN the government in 2009. What a waste of money!
Our house was the last house in Australia to be connected
Plus, that thing in the background looks like some Hideous Occupuss Transformers Pyramid dominating over an Orange Burning Parliament House with a Green Agenda on top and Pretty Solar Cells in the Right Sky with Diamonds 😏
May I have Julia please cause I want to f her well.
?😘👸🏻
@@TopperPenquinI'm still not connected, only got 1970s phone cable here. Ended up switching to 5g Sim card as NBN was too slow over copper.
@@tomtom1541you didn’t get NBN, sorry. I have to the premises it’s better than dropping out on satellite.
@@MrWhitmen1981 they actually signed me up to a 100mbit NBN plan, and it was going to be delivered through VDSL2 over copper by the NBN co. But I only averaged 20mbit so the ISP refunded me instead lol.
I would sign up if I could afford it. NBN is terrible.
Nbn the money pit taxpayers are funding..
Money to mates
Yup the NBN was all a rort giving work to overseas Making out flying them here feeding clothing housing them was cheaper than hiring locally and then give you spin they need skilled workers
There's a lot of money ro mates in Australia
Exactly. Liberals never should have bought Optus's cable
Just like green energy dearist way we could go
Why does everyone have to mention he’s a billionaire. He doesn’t own a house. He works 16 hours a day to advance us all. Money doesn’t mean anything to him superficially. Just drop it. It’s a waste of time
Apparently, jealousy has become a core cultural aspect of being Australian. We will never be called the smart country.
@dougdownunder5622 not smart enough to avoid boondoggles like NBN, or to keep our smartest & best inventors here.
BS mate, he bought out the entire neighbourhood around SpaceX launch site forcing all the residents to move
@@wilko2 Musk paid people a premium price for their homes and businesses and they were happy to take his money. How does that "force" them to move?
@@wilko2 to advance us all
Just how much money have Australian governments spent on digging trenches all over the country?
obnoxious
How much have the Australian tax payer paid ?
Australians need a change of government asap.
NBN that still isn't finished with its 2 satellites and doesn't cover all of Aus with a max speed of 100mbit cost $56b - starlink with its 6200 satellites that cover the entire planet that has unlimited data and speeds of about 300mbit cost $18b, which is why even though I'm in the city I've been on starlink since it was release several years ago.
Tony Abbott and Malcomn Turnbull gave too much money buying Optus cable which they didnt use and brought us MTM model.
Government is never as efficient as free enterprise. And it always costs more.
When it's other people's $$, who cares.
We're a nanny country.
Because of internet? Lol ok
@mervstash3692 Open your eyes ya muppet.
Lol the botts are getting dumber
@@mervstash3692 control the service you control the content on the service.
not rocket science
@user-fe1hy9xv3s oh sorry, my bad. Please educate me how the internet cables are stopping me from seeing some bigger picture?
One thing about Starlink...
Your internet activity is not controlled and monitored by a fascist government agency
Great point
Instead it is controlled by a guy who hates parody and hates criticism
@jordanwardle11
Wow, that sounds ominous.
Massive tech companies aren't exactly trustworthy mate.
@@wilko2
What / who is?
To end public reporting after losing in business competition is a clear sign saying that we dont want our customers to see how much we are ripping them off. And with the aussie government involved shows that they too do not care about their citizens.
If you control communication you control the truth.
Blind Freddie knew the nbn was an utter waste of time & money way back when it was just an idea.
& here we are.
it was a good idea until the liberals got their hands on it
If they installed it properly, we'd not have any of these issues and we'd be serving 100mbps via cable to each house.
But of course the politicians need to make sure they take 60% of what is there in the project as a pat on the back for even suggesting the idea.
@@Rexhunterjand not to mention how much the MTM was praised by the media. Look at where we are now
The idea was around a lot longer. Remember the "information superhighway"? It went the same way as the "multifunction polis".
You are conflating NBN fixed line with the satellite service my guy
You’re not suggesting govt hides stuff that’s not favourable? Nooooooo
😂😂😂 perfect response 👍
My NBN is fibre to the node. It’s a joke. The dropout and slowness drives me mad
I got the fttp 🤣
You got the cheapo LNP one🤣
Can also thank uncle Rupert for that too.
@@larrylongprong5219bloody Turdbull
I remember dial up 😂 I would download a Metallica song on Napster just to piss Lars off 😂 a 4 minute song would take 20 minutes to download
EVERY Govt project is a RORT!
starting in council to federal yes just bloody criminals and you vote them in
ho shit they must be watching me now
We don’t even have nbn here! And starlink is amazing!
Starlink is so good, never sending by money to another provider until they can keep up with the quality of starlink. Worth the premium.
Starlink needs to be $30 per month. Telstra needs to die.
Telstra is not the NBN, Starlink dosnt work indoors and is not a replacement for your mobile phone service
@@M_a_r_ke Yet.
It wouldn't turn a profit if they charged 1000 dollar bucks
@@M_a_r_ke They teamed up with T Mobile and have already been launching since last January
@@M_a_r_ke Telstra never intended to run it anyway, they just wanted their infrastructure used to slug the taxpayer and outsource the techs as they have done for years. Instead of someone better winning the tender, we got this disaster.
It's all about PRODUCTIVITY.
Musk's industry don't allow unionism. The NBN is riddled with unionism.
Unions WILL eventually KILL your job.
Without Unions you wouldn’t have a 40 hour working week, paid annual leave, or the benefits of a safe working environment. The current state of corruption in the unions is a disgrace yes, but there’s a lot to be thankful for.
@2schrag Says Who?? Oh, wait...I know, The Unions and other socialists.
@@2schrag and that all happened how many decades ago?
holden is out of country because of unions and how many other manufacturing jobs are moved because unions want $40-50 an hour for a factory job?
how many times does the unions strike (aka hold a city hostage) when it is peak hour or holiday travel or exams for kids?
how much do you pay someone before you just move the company overseas or revamp to get rid of human employees and replace with machines that dont cry foul all the time?
the argument that unions are for the people died when we came into the 2000s now they are as corrupt as the governments.
you need to stop justifying their actions because of the past which was before the current working generation was born.
if the unions truly cared like you think they did why havent any previous heads come out condemning the current state of them or their bullying tactics to try and get ridiculous pay?
@@VibrantLivingLists happened many decades ago. absolute power corrupts absolutely. The unions destroyed the local car manufacturers because they got greedy. Their standover and bullying tactics in construction is abhorrent. The current union movement is corrupt. Unionism isn’t bad, just the current implementation of it is
@@VibrantLivingListsHolden and had been receiving government handouts for DECADES before they closed. Our local manufacturing could never keep up against the manufacturers who shipped us international models
I had NBN, it used to drop out when a car drove past. Now on starlink, works better than ever.
No it didn't. NBN is a cable under the ground. You pulled that out of your rectum.
Our connection drops out when the kids come home from school.
@@gregoryellsmore2095 yeah because your kids are using it. Weird that hey?
@@mervstash3692 Exactly. Its normal for government infrastructure to fail as soon as someone uses it. Especially if Kevin 07 was involved.
@stephenw2992 if you can't turn on every hot tap on in the house at the same time & get full strength, fully hot water, is it the government's fault? Or do you just have too many people using the hot water?
And are you really still clinging onto issues from nearing 2 decades ago?
Imagine in 2007 still complaining about something that happened in 1990.
If he isn't already Elon should target the Australian market. It matters what happens in the Anglosphere. Make Australia great again.
Telstra already sell Starlink as an option.
But it is expensive?
5G came out while NBN was rolling out the cables. Now Starlink. 🤣🤣Speed of Australia
Yeah there is a two lane overpass about 50m long and a footpath being built near my house currently....coming up to 8 months now that its been under construction and probably got months left to go at the rate they are moving. Also, i only said 8 months because thats how long ive been living near this location...so can probably assume that there were several months construction before i moved there. Absolute f*cking joke
@tomr6955 even our 5g isnt great
mmwave tech is a rarity, even in the heart of the cbd, and so far very few devices are able to connect to it
the pixel 8 pro can, and got over 2-4gbps which is double the speed the current highest consumer nbn plan provides
our 5g implementation isnt great
and then the nbn is a joke
@@currymanmrkerryking one of the two main roads into our remote suburb in the mountains, has had roadworks for over 14 months now. 15 accidents have happened in that time, which is 7 more than BEFORE the road was ruined by constant road works and clearing out the native trees that provided sound blockage.
They turned a perfectly functional road into a disaster. When it rains you can't even tell what side of the road you are on anymore, last night we nearly swerved off road because of the shit planning and even more shit job from the council contractors.
It's good to see mates serving each other while the rest of us suffer.
@@epicgamer496 H+/4G is better/more reliable than 5G.
I get higher speeds on average on the H+ network than I do our 5G network.
@@Rexhunterj bloody hopeless...
Not to mention censorship and keeping data of all internet activity by NBN
Use a VPN. Problem solved …
@@ma3stro681 not so simple if you are going through NBN they capture all data
@@ma3stro681 VPN does nothing but mask you from the people who don't know how it works. Other than getting around region locking it does nothing else.
@@ma3stro681 for now
@@ma3stro681it must be in a country where they legally do not have to otherwise, they absolutely do
The Funniest thing, few months back we had a Crew out the front dig up tge foot path. So I asked what they were doing. "We are upgrading your nbn", I start Laughing and siad "mate your like five years late and I already have Starlink".
Step 1: buy the starlink dish
Step 2: connect to solar and battery to starlink
You are now connected to internet no matter what happens
Drops out in heavy rain had that a few times but yeah mostly works and I bought it when NBN Fixed wireless broke down in QLD Floods a few years back as the generator ran out of fuel lol and the tech couldnt get to it due to floods.
Yep! and they still are rolling it out in our street. What a white elephant
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Tony Abbott destroyed the nbn before it could even get off the ground. Tony is the man to blame. We were going to have the minimum standard for the world, but he thought, nah no one will ever use the internet...
It’s almost as if the government shouldn’t place multi billion dollar bets on being able to predict all the technological advances which may occur in an industry
They aren’t there to do that ! They should stay in their lane but the ground based nbn needed to be done regardless for ground nodes of the starlink system. They got it half right
Quite honestly, the most expensive part of the original NBN was to put the fiber into the ground. Then you can upgrade either end without ever having to upgrade the fiber. Then the liberals decided that Australia didn't need that, so we ended up with our obsolete infrastructure. As in, obsolete when the original NBN was concocted
@@jordanwardle11 Fibre is obsolete in a mobile world. The libs only used copper in the street so the fibre is virtually all in place anyway.
I've been running star link for over 12 months now at home and at camping. Best thing I've done.
Our house runs on Wireless NBN- sateliite type dish that points to a tower on a hill behind us; reception drops if windy or raining, tower goes down multiple time a year, all for $105/ month on Telstra
What is it with NBN terrified of a drop of rain??? Whenever it is slightly windy/stormy, NO INTERNET! Frankly sick of it. $130 a month.
all the wireless stuff is at uhf and is line of sight anything getting in the way will block it,starlink works because it is straight up and down with multiple satellites so apart from storms is hard to block all terrestrial wireless services were always going to be problematic. should have been fibre to the home as first planned and also better quality servers in the network but that is down to private companies ie telstra
Switch to starlink!
Everyone in the industry knows this. Its going to smash the fixed wireless customers too, not just Satellite.
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Very, very happy with starlink. NBN was total crap.
My family land in the middle of nowhere gets excellent signal from starlink than any other internet provider. Imagine that,.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The NBN was always a badly thought out and implimented joke.
Yes 😂 it means No Bloody Network 😂
I have better connection than NBN at only 1/4 the price in Vietnam lol
I live rural. We used NBN satellite, but it was an absolute rip off. Minimal data allowance. Next to no bandwidth and very slow. Never looked since signing up to Starlink. So fast 260+mps via ethernet cable and 150mps to 176mps with wifi. Great bandwith. Down times are minimal. Works even in rainy weather. Worth the extra $30 per month.
if NBN wants to compete, stop regulating the upload speeds, this country is the only one in the world that still does
The geostationary satellite that the NBN uses is a completely different technology to LEO Starlink, and its primary purpose is military communications, so the civilian use of the system is a bit of a ruse. During a major international conflict the LEO satellites would be more vulnerable to attack and China has in fact publicly threatened to destroy StarLink. I use StarLink and NBN fixed wireless at the same time but can't justify the cost of setting up another redundant link using the NBN satellite too. Anyway if WWIII breaks out I'd be focused on my vegetable garden, not on teh interwebs.
who cares about gambling ads honestly Australia has so much bigger problems to worry about its stupid to even entertain that as a real issue
Can't put a bet on anyway when when your internet is lagging
Government allowed telcos to structure plans in Australia that started at absurdly low speeds (12-25 mbps) at expensive prices to make us the ‘clever country’. Since that just about every country far exceeds our speeds with wider coverage. So much for that idiocy!
Indeed, but don't forget that Starlink service in Aus is approx 50 AUD/month more expensive than unlimited NBN (140%). The sad wreck that is NBN, which we were all forced onto like it or not, will end up the trash grade service for the poor while all that can afford to will go to Starlink.
Its almost like, Australia needed Labor's NBN plan 10 years ago...
We need new politicians.
but we elect them, don't we?
We need new politicians that don't obey the WEF or the WHO. Are there any in Australia for us to elect?
Were in the bush. We had Skymuster originaly. 20mbps on a grest day -5 most days and drop out if you had a few clouds. Switched to STARLINK, average 160mbps and higher with supplied router. Drop outs non existant even in a storm. If you Fit grunty off board router, 260+ mbps. Awesome. We have hard wired NBN in our town house, thats 50mbps. Thnkyou thankyou ELON, Its a game changer and can make remote living the new way to live and work.
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No Thanks. I cannot afford the cost per month on residential address in South Australia.
Need pensioner discount , no more than $45.00 per month.
That is why we don’t have internet connected to our homes.
It’s not just inefficient for internet service, it’s also very inefficient all around. I once applied for a job with them and they didn’t get back to me until years later.
LOL - moved my business. 6 weeks to get NBN connected. Lost so much money, they are unbelievably hopeless. 6 weeks! A business account!
Here in NZ a mobile carrier uses Starlink.. if you cant beat him ( and you wont ) join him.
Well that's interesting. I will check the availability of Star link and the prices and maybe I will jump ship too. Maybe we can the CEO of the NBN to cough up a bit of the shortfall. let's be honest anything the government touches will turn into a bloody disaster. Always has and always will.
LNP want to build nuclear power stations now
I’m 6km from the Melbourne CBD and my NBN service is atrocious! For 3 years I’ve been putting up with degrading copper cables and worsening line noise whilst waiting for a cable rejuvenation project which is always 6 months away, all while they tell me the area is eligible for an upgrade to FTTP, but as yet no update on when. While this is happening I’m putting up with what is genuinely worse than 3rd world internet - 25mbps max speed download, 5mbps upload, intermittent drop outs every hour at some times of day, 3 long-term outages that have taken a week and an NBN technician each time to resolve, and to top it off, because there is a long term “case” active on my connection, every single time I call Optus to discuss, I get told they can’t raise another case with NBN while another one is active, so it has to escalate to a case manager just to get anything but the runaround.
If that’s what Starlink is competing against, it’s no wonder they’re stealing customers at a great rate of knots…
Competition is good for consumers
yeah like the telstra privatization and the electricity privatization they have provided much cheaper services haven't they ,oh and don't forget the toll roads they are so much cheaper now
@@winstonwilliams4859 Competition yes, (but *government-private partnership can be a money laundering
And $100 a month for nbn, a static service. And gives us 12, 25, 50 mbs, perhaps the lowest speeds in the developed world. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie
Government owned companies need to keep transparency. They are funding themselves with taxpayer dollars.
Good on musk, Aus Telcos treat consumers with contempt
Hmmmmm
Private enterprise vs. Gov.😂 🇺🇲🇺🇲💪
I swapped from NBN wired, fiber to the node, to starlink.
Multiple outages on NBN, no one to hold accountable, and speeds of 25 mbit for $80/month!!
With starlink I was reliably getting 200-300 mbit, no outages lasting >2 mins, and paying $130/month.
ISPs need to get their shit together before more Australians start giving their money abroad.
"He's far from perfect" - why does every newscaster feel compelled to preface any comment on Musk like this? (Before praising him) Dislike.
They want to keep their jobs ... and/or reading straight from the teleprompter, no thought required.
far from perfect....
a lot closer than albo and his pack of mongrels
Yeah the irony. Whereas it's perfect to sponsor a woman clown break dancer to the olympics without any relevant merit.
Probably at attempt to cover themselves or towards some of their audience who may not like him, and he does stupid stuff all the time, like random tweets at 4am in the morning that end up deleted while being up all night on ketamine 😄
Works great 👍 thank you very much Elon musk ❤
Worked on projects within "T" 2007-1010. It was well known, then it (NBN) was $$$ for jam. Simply (jobs for the boys) Overall cost? 10s of billions
Another Labor idea that has cost us !!
I'm sure their shareholders are loving that without weekly reports. Fkn pathetic
Skynews the only major news in Au that has the comment section turned on. Big up Skynews!
But not all of us want to pay $130 a month.
It is different in the bush, at least where I live. Starlink is CHEAP compared to what NBN offers and it is unlimited which is great for me as we have a very big family who are always using it. I think the last time I looked we were using about 300-400 GB per month.
The Starlink pricing is quite odd, low if they have little take up, high otherwise. My French house I pay 40 euro a month plus 10 for type 2 equipment rental. No contract either and that’s only 10 a month total more than the areas useless Orange adsl(3 mips….).
Starlink is expensive, but it works. I got set up in 1 hour the same day I decided to buy it, nbn would take weeks to schedule installation and I'd be on fixed wireless, which is not that great.
In Kenya, Starlink equipment is 240USD and monthly it's 11 USD.
@@balladbuster5109 see what I mean by demand pricing..that’s the cheapest yet.
ive never heard such crap in my life. its over priced, drops out constantly and its slow af. my work had it and after the first month they were forced to get rid of it cause it just wasnt able to handle even phone calls
No surprise
Watch Labor regulate Starlink out of existence…
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NBN are still 4 years late in my area in Victoria ,also Starlink is expensive and sometimes fails on stormy days in my Rural area
I'll explain it to you in plain english "The NBN is a steaming pile of politics"
I should point out that Australia is behind a number of 3rd world countries on internet, and has actually gotten worse since the NBN was implemented(Also, the rollout is still not finished)
As of 2024, Australia ranks 86th in the world for fixed broadband speeds, with an average download speed of 57.9 Mbps, which is significantly lower than the global average. For mobile internet, Australia ranks 26th globally, performing better in this category. The country's internet speeds are slower and more expensive compared to many other developed nations due to factors like vast geography, low population density, limited competition, and aging infrastructure. The National Broadband Network (NBN) project has also faced challenges, contributing to these issues.
The question is why didn't every development project be required to have optical fibre implemented for the last 20 + years.
@@changeofseason8054"because that would be expensive" every anti labour person/media
When i was in Aus, my friend in afganistan had better internet than me, bettee ping, better speed etc. We all know its a joke
Boomers buggered this up years ago. We live in the gold coast hinterland, everyone in our street has starlink coz its the only option.
I'm not sure about Australia but in America the government has never ran or funded a successful business. Unless you count theft as business they're batting 0000000%
Starlink is bloody good, especially being rural.
Remember labor was going to dig a fibreoptic cable to each home in Australia. It's the same as labor on green tech...there completely stupid.
I remember it was the liberals who used the copper.
Okay look, I hate the ALP too but running 1gbps fiber to each house is HOW you get good internet.
We should be using nodes to receive mobile/satellite connections and distributing them to the houses directly via fiber-optic rather than 50 year old copper like it is now.
I make calls on our landline and it drops out not because the internet is bad but because the 600m long copper line from the node at the end of our street has not been serviced in over 10 years.
There's no point upgrading infrastructure if you aren't seriously going to invest in repairing the existing infrastructure at the same time. Instead we cut costs thanks to the LNP and changed from FttP to FttN which is undeniably worse than FttP, worse speeds, worse quality, worse connection, cheaper for the government.
More evil than stupid.
@@Rexhunterj When I see the folk who have to do work on those spaghetti boxes, with wire that would corrode if it even looked at water I wonder what the hell is going on. Everything we use is decades old and owned by a company with a govt stake in it and makes sure it still remains in your life. Can we just get rid of the problem and start over. Not like the infrastructure is there, just replace the 70 year old nonsense. I see lots of that blue cable being run through them as it is already.
I was fooled by false promises into voting for them once, never again. Bunch of liars.
Friendly reminder to all: the reason we have NBN like this is solely because Murdoch (who owns Sky and used it to push his agenda) wanted to keep cable profitable. Originally the NBN was fibre to the premises for every australian household, maybe looking at secondary options for the most remote areas. Murdoch’s buddies in the Liberal government deliberately sabotaged the NBN to be in Murdoch’s (and Sky’s) good books.
Had it been implemented as planned by Labor, Australians wouldn’t have needed to turn to Starlink. i was one of the first australians to receive the starlink kit and it changed my family’s life. Sky News is complicit in the active obstruction of first world internet in our country, running puff pieces about how “all you need is” in line with the Liberal’s revisions to satisfy daddy murdoch.
Well if the coalition government didn't decide cheaper is better back in 2013 we wouldn't be having these issues
And anybody who says they have had 10 years to fix it just remember for how many of those 10 years the coalition was in power
They spent 10 years telling us how to not fear coal and still didn't build or hand out billions to the privates to build them. Instead we got forced into a 700 billion dollar purchase of useless subs, to think it makes you strong and buff to challenge China. That could have built a lot of things to help out everyone.
My sister lives in a very isolated ranch in Kansas. With Starlink, she has faster and more reliable internet than me, who lives in town and has fiber optic.
They need to fix the infrastructure. Also some of us are treated like second class citizens. I.e those who live on military bases still have old copper...
NBN - No Bloody Network! WE WILL NOT COMPLY
OMG Sharri, only 200,000 customers. Starlink is for where NBN technology, which is essential everywhere else, isn't!
NBN has always sucked
My neighbour has fibre to house while I “had” fixed wireless! I asked NBN two years ago about having the same as my neighbour, the fibre goes past my house! Was told it would cost me $10K!
Changed to starlink, went from 15Mbps to 350mbps for an increase of around $40p/m.
NBN = white elephant! Didn’t we all pay for it!!!
And Australia is still pumping millions into old NBN technology..
1.1 billion in 6 months…
Its a no brainer why Elons tech should be our new internet and phone service.
And how is it "old technology",,,, fibre optic is current tech and the most effiicient and able to deliver the highest speeds,,,,, go and learn some shit.
starlink isn't for connecting everyone idiot
NBN is shit we dumped it years ago!
In Brasil Amazonia the starlink is working very well and a good price!
Does anybody realize that Rupert is pissed off he couldn't force all Australian's to have their internet delivered via his Foxtel boxes????
Its amazing how much better everything works when pay depends on performance and the government isn't just giving the contract to someone's brother.
One word to describe this whole debacle. "Tony Abbott"