Zimbabweans are proud owners of their land , thank you for this perspective , the capitalist media reported negatively about the land revolution in Zimbabwe . People can say what they want but Land is now with its righful owners , that is the morality. Africa for Africans we cannot own an inch of land in the United Kingdom . The truth is that the land reform is irreversible and its a closed chapter .
Ian Scoones and Blasio Mavedzenge say "We do not want to underplay the abuses that took place or the challenges that transition brings. However, our research has dispelled the assumption that Zimbabwe's controversial reform was "all bad". Solid empirical evidence has challenged the myth that there is no investment, that agricultural production has collapsed and food insecurity is universal, that the rural economy is in precipitous decline, and that farm labour has been totally displaced
Zanu had no economy to buy out the white landowners. The only way to do this was by force, But Mugabe was promised help by england and usa to solve this matter if they could wait. He waited 10 years for this help and when he talked to Tony Blair about their prommised help he soon know he and zanu was deceived
I am really enjoying Mr. Hanlon's demeanor. The first thing that came to mind as I watched him start his piece was what he must have been like as a young man in grade school and college. Reeks of bullying trauma and frustrated appetites.
In 2000 agricultural production was 4,2 million tonnes, with a steady declined over the years to around 2,1 million tonnes in 2012. There was a further reduction of the national cereal harvest by 33 percent only last year. With the lack of secure property rights, rural infrastructure is also constantly decaying, removed fencing, collapsing earthen dam walls, etc... etc...
It´s nice to hear this objectiv Point of view. Just Think 167000 did what a million do now. Thats progress. More pepole do less ! Unemployment will dissapear.... Why didn´t we think of this Before.
I think you'll find that Zimbabwe was the maize growing powerhouse of Southern Africa. It produced way more than its own population could eat and exported to all its neighbours. They were a net food exporter NOW ZIMBABWE IS IMPORTING FOOD FROM ZAMBIA
When some of the senior army officials own more than 5 farms each, with probably one yielding only 10% of its productive capacity is this progress? The taking over of Save natural reserve by army chiefs and senior party officials - is this progress???
The references I can find to Zimbabwean granaries indicate that they're made of mud brick, their capacity is just 2.5 tonnes, and their spoil rate is something like 20%. Given a typical yield, that means that this farmer has a 1 hectare farm. That's subsistence living.
aid agencies expect the number of food insecure people to rise to almost 1.67 million by March. Zimbabwean traders usually import from Zambia to meet demand during shortages, but Zambia has imposed restrictions on maize exports.
Hate, Hate, Hate is all i see on this platform. A people fought a protracted war to take back their land, which they finally did. They fought against the British to get their land but were tricked by some underhanded, phony and self interested British people. The Lancaster agreement was never to help the indigenous people but to protect British businesses and British interests. Mugabe, honoured that agreement but the British defaulted. However, you will never see this in the mainstream media.The sanctions on Zimbabwe are real and have hurt business, and have taken the country back a number of years. The Zimbabwe land reform is being resisted by the west because its success will set a precedence that will likely cause chaos across the continent. The powers that be are making every effort possible to make sure that the country collapses..Yes there are issues of misgovernance in the country, but the issues with Zimbabwe run deeper than what we see on the surface...
And what good have you done with that land? Zimbabwe's economy has tanked terribly, inflation is beyond belief bad. Open your eyes, Zimbabwe is failing fast, and even the ANC is getting tired of propping up Mugabe and his ZANU thugs. You can't seriously believe the current leadership is at all good for Zimbabwe.
Blacks have to work hard for what they have. the do not get subsidies, empathy, nor respect or treated with dignity. We don't get bail outs! Our stories of hardships are real not make believe. our pain comes from the devil. we all know who they are!
Okay John, I see what you're saying. But this is a very deep and sensitive issue. But in order for you to understand the fullness of the problem you have to look at the history and the details. I am not a Nazi, Skin Head, KKK, Israelite nor a supremacist of any sort. I just have too much love in my soul to hate anyone cause of race or cause of vein things. It's hard for me to imagine any real human being doing the same. But it's a reality!
White people, you are not ENTITLED to other people's things. If you feel that way, then other non Europeans should also have the right and ENTITLEMENT to your land.
In December 2012, Zimbabwe was ranked as one of the world’s worst performers in upholding the rule of law by the World Justice Project, which covered 97 countries
You should also understand that 70% of farms were bought after independence after the farms ere offered by government, under the zanu government and its constitution it is evident that these farmers have legitimately bought properties and have built dams irrigation homesteads all of which zanu pf have to compensate
Appalling and feeble in its dishonesty. I liked the bit about the "uncleared bush" these noble pioneers were having a hard time dealing with...wait, wasn't it Zim's most productive farmland that was taken? If it had been uncleared bush who would have worried? And weren't most of the 'veterans' not veterans at all?
the british have spent more than 500 million pounds in AID assistance to zimbabwe and the british continue to provide AID for zimbabwe tell us what has zimbabwe done for britain?
75% of the farms were bought after independence with a letter of no interest from the government. These farmers then paid taxes, levies and employed 350 000 people, with dependents the support network was up to 2 million people. They developed their farms and ploughed the money back into the country
The land didn't go to "veterans", it went to Mugabe's cronies - the same way as any successful business, mine, hotel etc also was "redistributed" to Mugabe's cronies. The dollar wasn't "introduced" by the government - people used it due to hyperinflation and the government turned a blind eye to it until dollarisation was complete. Immediately before the land seizures the white farmers could not borrow money to buy equipment as bank loans dried up due to the very high risk of default -
Before the land-grab of th white owned farms Zim had a high (by african standards) standard of living, welfare and education, no one was starving. Until after these 'reforms'. After these actions "the indigenous people" have indeed starved by the hundreds of thousands. Most of the starved and brutalised victims of this policy have been 'the indigenous people'.
This new ‘agrarian system’ has lead to food shortages for the people of Zimbabwe There is simple no thug so vile nor regime so awful to its own people, that excuses cannot be made for it by someone. There still big farms owned by whites , not many and only there because they have Mugabe's say so because generous pay offs, and great deal of the farms taken were actual black not white owned. While disruption of land means in effect Mugabe and thug friends and got the vast majority
I think that what the Prof said is correct that Zimbabweans, as compared to the rest of the Southern Africa region, just love their land, to farm. You have grandma getting up at 5am to go and farm! I may be wrong but this is my view. Taking away land from Zimbabweans is different, culturally, in Zimbabwe than in other nations. I wouldn't expect someone who has never seen the beauty of the country to understand that. Also, culturally speaking 'kumusha' means in a certain sense a place of origin in the country. And culturally Zimbabweans always and will always ask about your ''kumusha'. These are cultural markers in Zimbabwe's history and did not stop with dispossession, murder and psychological programming and these will not stop. Like asking the Japanese to forget about their kimonos or ninjas. When countries like America and Britain announce sanctions on Zimbabwean farmers it is like announcing sanctions on baseball or American football or cricket or football. It is what Zimbabweans do and enjoy and they wont stop because the West think that Zimbabweans took the land from white people unfairly or in a racist manner. It is like telling the Germans to stop building engines and cars. Even if you put sanctions on them they wont stop. Zimbabweans have always been about land and will always be. Zimbabweans never stopped fighting for their land even through colonisation because it is in the culture in the blood; Zimbabwean culture is littered with references to the land. It is not like in Botswana or South Africa or Namibia - except amongst the 'bushmen' - where the connection to land is less intense and less emotional. The West seem to take it very personally that Zimbabweans fight for their land to such great cost. But this is to miss the nuance. I'm afraid that Britain and America have made a great mistake with these sanctions. It is not that Zimbabweans hate white people (and everybody knows Zimbabweans are amongst the most friendly people in Africa) it is simply that Zimbabweans fight for their land. If the West thinks that Zimbabweans are racist then perhaps truly there is no longer a fruitful connection between Africa and the West because in my view Zimbabwe is a useful litmus test of the relations between Africa and the West. Perhaps, like Ian Smith, the West in their position of power believe that black Zimbabweans cannot prosper - not in a 100years. But Zimbabweans will prosper in the face of adversity. The West is wrong and guilty of abuse of power. I don't know who runs Western foreign policy on Africa but they are 70yrs behind the curve, I think.
Government has pleaded with the European Union to intervene and help fund the ailing agriculture sector.a $12 million contribution which will be delivered from 2013 to 2015 and is aimed at increasing agricultural productivity and food and nutrition security among the farmers. The funds are being channeled through Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations, the official German Cooperation, GIZ and a non-governmental organisation HELP, from Germany.
Takunda, uneven wealth distribution is a reality for all capitalist nations, irrespective of ethnic makeup or governmental direction. There will always be a working, middle and upper class, and by sheer dint of logistics it will always be the majority population that make up the bulk of the working class. The true measure of a country's success is the accessibility of basic and critical necessities to ALL, REGARDLESS OF WHICH CLASS THEY FALL UNDER. There was nothing to prevent ANY man in Rhodesia from joining the other classes other than his own desire or lack thereof.
And what about historical injustice? it must baffle the mind(white mind) why Mugabe continues to have a large following in Zim. It is inherent in any capitalist nation to have a spectrum of classes, that is true, but let us not pretend for a moment that the land issue is a class issue. without knowledge of the history of zim's occupation, colonization and the essence of the liberation war through the eyes of an ordinary black zimbabwean. One can never expect you to comprehend why we and our elected government are and will continue to be unrepentant of the land issue. The land issue is a non negotiable because its not a Mugabe issue, its a movement pursuant to the wishes of the majority of our nation and under no circumstances, no sanctions, no inflation, no ridicule, no oppression, no manipulation, no suffering, no propaganda will we lose our land again. If the suffering of our people stems from the current government, we reserve the right to right that wrong ourselves, and to indeed go into the trenches to change our governance via democratic processes, but that remains the decision of our people. A decision by the way which we had to fight a war to obtain. Democracy and the black vote was fought for by our people under this current regime's leadership. Where was Europe and her allies then???? Now that we have fought for the right to vote while the west passively stood by, they have the nerve to dictate to us how that process must be carried out, and to weigh in on the legitimacy of our Government???? where were these "concerned voices" when an entire native majority in Rhodesia were denied voting rights by the Rhodesian Government???? If there is injustice we as the black majority have historically solved it ourselves, just as we have done with our land and democracy problem......so butt out! And the irony here is astounding NZ Patriot, how in today's Zimbabwe the white minority sooo want race to not be an issue lol. "We are Zimbabweans" they say!!, "we have an equal claim to land as black Zimbabweans", "property rights blah blah blah" . But if we have learned anything from the Rhodesian government and its denial of our voting rights as natives, its that we are not all Zimbabweans at least not in the eyes of the white minority. If our circumstances today have arisen as a result of our decision to occupy the land of our forefathers, our inheritance well then in the words of Patrice Lumumba 'aluta continua!'.........totally worth it.
+norman tapiwa chimutashu I think it is YOU who need the history lesson. The western world pressured the democratically elected Rhodesian govt into opening the vote to everyone, irrespective of their understanding of the Democratic system. So, you probably should thank the west for that. Secondly, if Mugabe is so damn popular then why was he voted out? (Although he chose to ignore that little democratic foible!)
If you actually watched the video or read the book you would see what an ignorant argument it is. The current Black-owned farms are already back up to the productivity level of the old Whites-only farms--at at a substantially smaller subsidization from the government? How? (1) Farms are smaller, (2) Farms are being farmed instead of being residences, (3) The Black farmers are very serious & re-invest their profits back into the farms (instead of fancy houses and cars like older white farmers).
There have been many, evidence-based studies of Rhodesian and Zimbabwean farms. The actually government subsidies are clearly reported figures and prove that Rhodesian/white farmers received MUCH higher subsidies than Zimbabwean/predominantly black, but not all, farmers. Zimbabwe's weather normally has a drought every @3-4 years. There has usually been reserves stored for drought years, and yes, when there was not, people starved. That is mismanagement by larger state structure, not farmers.
Afrika for Africans and Europe for Europians is it not so? So what now? Have we ever bothered to know how business go in Britain, America and Europe? Why so much interest by you whites on our affairs? Interference!
rebeca carandiru ALL IMMIGRANTS THEN ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO INTO EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, RIGHT? So I don't want to hear ANY complaints from white people about immigration.
Damn people better wake up either kick them out or treat them like the minority they are...stop selling out your better than that. Dump the traders among you stand together against tyranny.
Zanu PF made the mistake of thinking with its heart on the issue of land. The land grab was an emotional moment of madness. Taking land away from white farmers was never going to bring about a state of equity. At best, it gave only the illusion of redress. The real question Zanu PF should have concerned itself with was how an effective policy could be formulated to allow every citizen to derive a benefit from the land.
The United Nations World Food Program says it is closely monitoring the crippling drought situation in Zimbabwe and lobbying stakeholders for the provision of food and other resources to the affected families. Officials said Zimbabwe has pledged 35,000 tonnes of maize and the WFP is working with other organizations to secure additional aid. Close to 1.6 million people will need food aid
An estimated 1.6 million people in the rural areas of Zimbabwe will require food aid next year, according to a food needs assessment report. The annual Zimbabwe Vulnerability Assessment (Zimvac), carried out by the UN and the Zimbabwean government, found that one in five people living in rural areas are facing food shortages during the "hunger season" between January and March. .
The facts are, that in 2000 Zimbabwe outputs reached $3.347 billion and in 2009 had declined to $1.348 billion. In addition 300,00 farm workers had been displaced during the land invasions, effecting 2 million people ! Do not take this report as factual, look at the figures and the unnecessary imports of maize Zimbabwe has to beg, borrow or steal every year.
The UK has not reneged on commitments (made) at Lancaster House. At Lancaster House the British Government made clear that the long-term requirements of land reform in Zimbabwe were beyond the capacity of any individual donor country. Since [Zimbabwe's] independence we have provided 44 million pounds for land reform in Zimbabwe and 500 million pounds The UK remains a strong advocate for effective, well managed and pro-poor land reform. Fast-track land reform has not been implemented PROPERLY
tigerone you are all over the internet i am sure you are CIO and mugabe pays you 100/ mnth to come speak rubbish. Alot of farmers bought land well after independence and are owed money for the improvements to land alot of farmers built houses dams and irrigation,
YOU need these good white people, EVERYONE learned so much from them and still there is racism, not good............ work together it is all better now but hard times will come and the country will need help from europe because of geo-political major shifts plus economics, hope you hang in there and make alot of preserve foods that will help you when the hit comes and it will be bad! IF THINGS STAY GOOD I WILL GIVE YOUR COUNTRY CITIZENS WHAT TO DO TO OVERCOME THE BAD HITS COMING! BLESS EVERYONE! WE HAVE ALOT MORE BLACKS IN EUROPE AND LIVE ON WELFARE BECAUSE THERE IS NO JOBS OR BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK; WHICH COSTS ALOT OF MONEY; DO NOT FORGET THAT! DO NOT SHAKE THE BOAT!
there are many blacks and non whites that own land in Europe infact there is one successfull black farmer in England from zimbabwe who sells maize to zimbabweans in UK i know because I have met him
THIS HANLON I HATE HIM WITH A PASSION I TELL YOU HOW CAN ACADEMICS SELL THEMSELVES LIKE THIS TO ZANU PF. ZANU PF MUST OF OFFERED THIS DUDE ALOT OF MONEY BECAUSE I AM IN ZIM RIGHT NOW AND THAT BOOK DOES NOT DEPICT THE WHOLE COUNTRY
My goodness, we are penguins! Could you please keep the potty talk down?! Name one report that shows Rhodesian farmers were NOT subsidized a lot more than Zimbabwean ones.
Remember, after the Zimbabwean government took the land from the whites, the productivity of the farms fell dramatically, Zimbabwe's GDP went down, Poverty rose, Inflation went through the roof, and the capital city Harare is ranked amongst the worst to live in. Truly, Zimbabwe is a great nation.
Thats natural because they will need time to adjust, if you cant seee that then u are just another bitter individual who wants to support oppresion of zimbabweans on their own land...and not to mention the sanctions...all those problems your talking about were caused by sanctions, inflation was already high before they took the farms...
Dani Mimi Its been about a decade since this started, I'm waiting. Plus even if there are western-based sanctions on Zimbabwe, why hasn't it profited much from Eastern Countries like China and Malaysia? There's more to this than sanctions.
Konrad Kurze name one country that has built its economy in a decade...and it is clear to me that u dont understand sactions...America put sactions AND asked all its friends to do the same. Malaysia is a quacking duck to the states and China does not want to provoke america coz it holds american bonds...Only Russia recently lifted some of the sactions...basically almost all countries that Zimbabwe was trading with stoped doing trade with them...give them time, this is a poor country, politically unstable and under sactions from some of the most powerful nations on this planet...can u realy seeing them flourish under suck pressure?
Konrad Kurze BY the way i live in malaysia, i am in malaysia as i write this..i will leave here next year and been here for four years so i know what am talking about...
The food is imported from South Africa and Zambia mainly, but I have seen stuff imported from as far as the US and UK (even in a wholesaler in the rural areas where the small retailers get their products - sugar imported from Malawi, biscuits from Zambia, rice from Malawi, soap from South Africa, cooking oil from South Africa and Mealie Meal, although milled in Zimbabwe, is being imported from SA and Zambia, etc etc). People tend to grown their own vegetables. A JOKE
I am not unhappy I am enjoying here in zimbabwe whilst you live with all the whites in UK as your profile suggests actually I work as an Agronomist helping these black farmers in zimbabwe, thats how come I know its a disaster. I am on the ground here in zimbabwe
Only scientific methods, backed by adequate funding in properly organized and functional groups, in adherance to basic principles of law can yield production equating to those two decades ago. Have you not read about farm squabbles between 'select' white farmers and semi-resettled 'marauding' party loyalists fighting for control of certain farms? Murerwa is still trying to defuse the situation as this wil negatively impact on the
you are foolish and have no argument under BIPPA investment bilateral clause, the zimbabwe government and other governments allowed foreign nationals to invest in land this was well after independence the zanu pf government has admitted wrongs of taking these farms from investors as ZANU PF have broken contract. A group of dutch farmers won a case whereby ZANU PF OWE THEM AN EXCESS OF 300 MILLION
We are so insulted, you are discriminating against us because we are from Antarctica? Betcha 100 Rand your granddaughter would rather spend the afternoon with us!
Much of the land "redistributed" was in the south west and in matebele areas and has been given to zanupf supporting "war veterans" who are Shona and their ansecstors haven't been on that land since at least the 1830's if ever. What about the MATABELE YOU SHONA ARE TRIBALISTS AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CHIMURENGA
And the real names are, Robert Mugabe ZANU-PF President, Joseph Mtekwese ZANU-PF Minister for Agriculture, Herbert Murerwa ZANU-PF Minister for Land and Land Resettlement, Webster Kotuira Shamu ZANU-PF Minister for Information and Publicity, Walter Mzembi ZANU-PF Minister for Tourism and Patrick Chimamasa ZANU-PF Minister for Justice and Legal Affairs. What a load of revisionist bollocks.
But what happened to the white farmers was not "reform" in most cases they were thrown off the land, land that then failed to be managed properly and the people starved or had to go to the borders to get food. Others were brutally murdered by thugs and their valuables taken. nobody moved into the area to take up the land, they never had any intention of becoming farmers. If you must report on this, report on it accurately.
The white people are also Zimbabwean, some of them more than some black people. Racism is racism. instead of taking property someone else (a Zimbabwean's) has built , their houses, electricity, water systems why nt give them rich unoccupied land so that they could build, then maybe some of us might want to talk about who's getting, and why, and transparency. We are black and we have to live in this country, unlike most people who like to comment about what they don't know. A commercial farm provides many black people with employment. That pic looks like J. White but thats not him. if you start your business here, is it okay for me to come and take it, the property you built
Ok, lets cut the political & ideological crap; Rhodesia = Productive, stable, affordable & with excellent infrastructure and access to basic necessities for ALL Rhodesians. Zimbabwe = The exact opposite. Or am I incorrect?
Not the majority of the population that was black mate. Blacks were excluded from being actively involved in the economy . The only well off black people (which was rare) at that time were school teachers, bus and small store owners. The uneven nature of wealth distribution in favour of the white minority should indicate that the Rhodesian utopia was NOT for all. I would rather be enabled to become the master of my own destiny than to get meager handouts from a government that despises me and limits my ability to be anything more than a worker.
just the numbers as most work for government. I do not include the lie of Subsistence farmers surviving in poverty and street vendors surviving. even though the population has doubled since 1980 the number employed has halved in real terms.
Lovely. You have taken a modern agricultural system and returned it too subsisdence farming. This is an economic nonsense. The economically rich agricultural system enabled a system of decent education (Mugabe's one achievement in the 1980s) and reasonable (by African standards) healthcare. The future was in an educated, healthy generation. Now that we are back to subsisdence farming and a subsisdence economy there is no more education and no more health care. And you call this progress?
Zimbabweans are proud owners of their land , thank you for this perspective , the capitalist media reported negatively about the land revolution in Zimbabwe . People can say what they want but Land is now with its righful owners , that is the morality. Africa for Africans we cannot own an inch of land in the United Kingdom . The truth is that the land reform is irreversible and its a closed chapter .
Land which was tilled by whites.
Pieter Willem Botha tilled by the black laborers...the whites just manage the finance
“Rightful owners” who will remain in poverty as far as the eye can see.
yes you can, if you are a resident there you can buy all the land you want.
@@markusrose9667dream on and keep delusional
Ian Scoones and Blasio Mavedzenge say "We do not want to underplay the abuses that took place or the challenges that transition brings. However, our research has dispelled the assumption that Zimbabwe's controversial reform was "all bad". Solid empirical evidence has challenged the myth that there is no investment, that agricultural production has collapsed and food insecurity is universal, that the rural economy is in precipitous decline, and that farm labour has been totally displaced
Zanu had no economy to buy out the white landowners. The only way to do this was by force, But Mugabe was promised help by england and usa to solve this matter if they could wait. He waited 10 years for this help and when he talked to Tony Blair about their prommised help he soon know he and zanu was deceived
The land has always been ours and it will be ours until the second coming. Zimbabwe for Zimbabweans.
Zimbabwe for Zimbabweans...................Africa for Africans
meanwhile your people are trashing europe
I am really enjoying Mr. Hanlon's demeanor. The first thing that came to mind as I watched him start his piece was what he must have been like as a young man in grade school and college. Reeks of bullying trauma and frustrated appetites.
In 2000 agricultural production was 4,2 million tonnes, with a steady declined over the years to around 2,1 million tonnes in 2012. There was a further reduction of the national cereal harvest by 33 percent only last year. With the lack of secure property rights, rural infrastructure is also constantly decaying, removed fencing, collapsing earthen dam walls, etc... etc...
Yes , that's correct. This is due to the wicked & evil sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe by America, Britain & other Western countries.
No mention of how many of the more successful 'war veteran'-owned farms have the old dispossessed owners working as managers. Strange.
It´s nice to hear this objectiv Point of view.
Just Think 167000 did what a million do now. Thats progress.
More pepole do less ! Unemployment will dissapear.... Why didn´t we think of this Before.
I think you'll find that Zimbabwe was the maize growing powerhouse of Southern Africa. It produced way more than its own population could eat and exported to all its neighbours. They were a net food exporter
NOW ZIMBABWE IS IMPORTING FOOD FROM ZAMBIA
When some of the senior army officials own more than 5 farms each, with probably one yielding only 10% of its productive capacity is this progress?
The taking over of Save natural reserve by army chiefs and senior party officials - is this progress???
The references I can find to Zimbabwean granaries indicate that they're made of mud brick, their capacity is just 2.5 tonnes, and their spoil rate is something like 20%. Given a typical yield, that means that this farmer has a 1 hectare farm. That's subsistence living.
how much are they producing in Somalia and Egypt or Mozambique?
aid agencies expect the number of food insecure people to rise to almost 1.67 million by March. Zimbabwean traders usually import from Zambia to meet demand during shortages, but Zambia has imposed restrictions on maize exports.
Our vote in June 2013, will put Zimbabwe back on the right track to maintain its former status and glory as The Bread Basket Of Africa ! MUGABE OUT
Hate, Hate, Hate is all i see on this platform. A people fought a protracted war to take back their land, which they finally did. They fought against the British to get their land but were tricked by some underhanded, phony and self interested British people. The Lancaster agreement was never to help the indigenous people but to protect British businesses and British interests. Mugabe, honoured that agreement but the British defaulted. However, you will never see this in the mainstream media.The sanctions on Zimbabwe are real and have hurt business, and have taken the country back a number of years. The Zimbabwe land reform is being resisted by the west because its success will set a precedence that will likely cause chaos across the continent. The powers that be are making every effort possible to make sure that the country collapses..Yes there are issues of misgovernance in the country, but the issues with Zimbabwe run deeper than what we see on the surface...
blindspot1983 the issue is misgovernment and loothing politicians
Simply remedy don't honor any treaties or written agreements null and void..play dirty and cheat better than they do.
ZIMBABWE'S LAND BELONGS TO AFRICAN ZIMBABWEANS, NOT EUROPEANS!
And what good have you done with that land? Zimbabwe's economy has tanked terribly, inflation is beyond belief bad. Open your eyes, Zimbabwe is failing fast, and even the ANC is getting tired of propping up Mugabe and his ZANU thugs. You can't seriously believe the current leadership is at all good for Zimbabwe.
Blacks have to work hard for what they have. the do not get subsidies, empathy, nor respect or treated with dignity. We don't get bail outs! Our stories of hardships are real not make believe. our pain comes from the devil. we all know who they are!
Okay John, I see what you're saying. But this is a very deep and sensitive issue. But in order for you to understand the fullness of the problem you have to look at the history and the details. I am not a Nazi, Skin Head, KKK, Israelite nor a supremacist of any sort. I just have too much love in my soul to hate anyone cause of race or cause of vein things. It's hard for me to imagine any real human being doing the same. But it's a reality!
White people, you are not ENTITLED to other people's things. If you feel that way, then other non Europeans should also have the right and ENTITLEMENT to your land.
It's funny how thieves hate thieves.
We must move forward. Black and white.
point
In December 2012, Zimbabwe was ranked as one of the world’s worst performers in upholding the rule of law by the World Justice Project, which covered 97 countries
You should also understand that 70% of farms were bought after independence after the farms ere offered by government, under the zanu government and its constitution it is evident that these farmers have legitimately bought properties and have built dams irrigation homesteads all of which zanu pf have to compensate
Appalling
and feeble in its dishonesty. I liked the bit about the "uncleared bush" these noble pioneers were having a hard time dealing with...wait, wasn't it Zim's most productive farmland that was taken? If it had been uncleared bush who would have worried? And weren't most of the 'veterans' not veterans at all?
the british have spent more than 500 million pounds in AID assistance to zimbabwe and the british continue to provide AID for zimbabwe tell us what has zimbabwe done for britain?
75% of the farms were bought after independence with a letter of no interest from the government. These farmers then paid taxes, levies and employed 350 000 people, with dependents the support network was up to 2 million people. They developed their farms and ploughed the money back into the country
The land didn't go to "veterans", it went to Mugabe's cronies - the same way as any successful business, mine, hotel etc also was "redistributed" to Mugabe's cronies.
The dollar wasn't "introduced" by the government - people used it due to hyperinflation and the government turned a blind eye to it until dollarisation was complete.
Immediately before the land seizures the white farmers could not borrow money to buy equipment as bank loans dried up due to the very high risk of default -
Before the land-grab of th white owned farms Zim had a high (by african standards) standard of living, welfare and education, no one was starving. Until after these 'reforms'. After these actions "the indigenous people" have indeed starved by the hundreds of thousands. Most of the starved and brutalised victims of this policy have been 'the indigenous people'.
This new ‘agrarian system’ has lead to food shortages for the people of Zimbabwe
There is simple no thug so vile nor regime so awful to its own people, that excuses cannot be made for it by someone.
There still big farms owned by whites , not many and only there because they have Mugabe's say so because generous pay offs, and great deal of the farms taken were actual black not white owned. While disruption of land means in effect Mugabe and thug friends and got the vast majority
I think that what the Prof said is correct that Zimbabweans, as compared to the rest of the Southern Africa region, just love their land, to farm. You have grandma getting up at 5am to go and farm! I may be wrong but this is my view.
Taking away land from Zimbabweans is different, culturally, in Zimbabwe than in other nations. I wouldn't expect someone who has never seen the beauty of the country to understand that. Also, culturally speaking 'kumusha' means in a certain sense a place of origin in the country.
And culturally Zimbabweans always and will always ask about your ''kumusha'. These are cultural markers in Zimbabwe's history and did not stop with dispossession, murder and psychological programming and these will not stop. Like asking the Japanese to forget about their kimonos or ninjas.
When countries like America and Britain announce sanctions on Zimbabwean farmers it is like announcing sanctions on baseball or American football or cricket or football. It is what Zimbabweans do and enjoy and they wont stop because the West think that Zimbabweans took the land from white people unfairly or in a racist manner.
It is like telling the Germans to stop building engines and cars. Even if you put sanctions on them they wont stop.
Zimbabweans have always been about land and will always be. Zimbabweans never stopped fighting for their land even through colonisation because it is in the culture in the blood; Zimbabwean culture is littered with references to the land. It is not like in Botswana or South Africa or Namibia - except amongst the 'bushmen' - where the connection to land is less intense and less emotional.
The West seem to take it very personally that Zimbabweans fight for their land to such great cost. But this is to miss the nuance. I'm afraid that Britain and America have made a great mistake with these sanctions. It is not that Zimbabweans hate white people (and everybody knows Zimbabweans are amongst the most friendly people in Africa) it is simply that Zimbabweans fight for their land. If the West thinks that Zimbabweans are racist then perhaps truly there is no longer a fruitful connection between Africa and the West because in my view Zimbabwe is a useful litmus test of the relations between Africa and the West.
Perhaps, like Ian Smith, the West in their position of power believe that black Zimbabweans cannot prosper - not in a 100years. But Zimbabweans will prosper in the face of adversity. The West is wrong and guilty of abuse of power. I don't know who runs Western foreign policy on Africa but they are 70yrs behind the curve, I think.
When will the world come together and get rid of the Devils
Government has pleaded with the European Union to intervene and help fund
the ailing agriculture sector.a $12 million contribution which will be delivered from
2013 to 2015 and is aimed at increasing agricultural productivity and food
and nutrition security among the farmers. The funds are being channeled through Food and Agriculture Organisation of
the United Nations, the official German Cooperation, GIZ and a
non-governmental organisation HELP, from Germany.
Takunda, uneven wealth distribution is a reality for all capitalist nations, irrespective of ethnic makeup or governmental direction. There will always be a working, middle and upper class, and by sheer dint of logistics it will always be the majority population that make up the bulk of the working class. The true measure of a country's success is the accessibility of basic and critical necessities to ALL, REGARDLESS OF WHICH CLASS THEY FALL UNDER. There was nothing to prevent ANY man in Rhodesia from joining the other classes other than his own desire or lack thereof.
And what about historical injustice? it must baffle the mind(white mind) why Mugabe continues to have a large following in Zim. It is inherent in any capitalist nation to have a spectrum of classes, that is true, but let us not pretend for a moment that the land issue is a class issue. without knowledge of the history of zim's occupation, colonization and the essence of the liberation war through the eyes of an ordinary black zimbabwean. One can never expect you to comprehend why we and our elected government are and will continue to be unrepentant of the land issue.
The land issue is a non negotiable because its not a Mugabe issue, its a movement pursuant to the wishes of the majority of our nation and under no circumstances, no sanctions, no inflation, no ridicule, no oppression, no manipulation, no suffering, no propaganda will we lose our land again.
If the suffering of our people stems from the current government, we reserve the right to right that wrong ourselves, and to indeed go into the trenches to change our governance via democratic processes, but that remains the decision of our people. A decision by the way which we had to fight a war to obtain. Democracy and the black vote was fought for by our people under this current regime's leadership. Where was Europe and her allies then????
Now that we have fought for the right to vote while the west passively stood by, they have the nerve to dictate to us how that process must be carried out, and to weigh in on the legitimacy of our Government???? where were these "concerned voices" when an entire native majority in Rhodesia were denied voting rights by the Rhodesian Government???? If there is injustice we as the black majority have historically solved it ourselves, just as we have done with our land and democracy problem......so butt out!
And the irony here is astounding NZ Patriot, how in today's Zimbabwe the white minority sooo want race to not be an issue lol. "We are Zimbabweans" they say!!, "we have an equal claim to land as black Zimbabweans", "property rights blah blah blah" . But if we have learned anything from the Rhodesian government and its denial of our voting rights as natives, its that we are not all Zimbabweans at least not in the eyes of the white minority.
If our circumstances today have arisen as a result of our decision to occupy the land of our forefathers, our inheritance well then in the words of Patrice Lumumba 'aluta continua!'.........totally worth it.
+norman tapiwa chimutashu I think it is YOU who need the history lesson. The western world pressured the democratically elected Rhodesian govt into opening the vote to everyone, irrespective of their understanding of the Democratic system. So, you probably should thank the west for that. Secondly, if Mugabe is so damn popular then why was he voted out? (Although he chose to ignore that little democratic foible!)
If you actually watched the video or read the book you would see what an ignorant argument it is. The current Black-owned farms are already back up to the productivity level of the old Whites-only farms--at at a substantially smaller subsidization from the government? How? (1) Farms are smaller, (2) Farms are being farmed instead of being residences, (3) The Black farmers are very serious & re-invest their profits back into the farms (instead of fancy houses and cars like older white farmers).
There have been many, evidence-based studies of Rhodesian and Zimbabwean farms. The actually government subsidies are clearly reported figures and prove that Rhodesian/white farmers received MUCH higher subsidies than Zimbabwean/predominantly black, but not all, farmers.
Zimbabwe's weather normally has a drought every @3-4 years. There has usually been reserves stored for drought years, and yes, when there was not, people starved. That is mismanagement by larger state structure, not farmers.
Afrika for Africans and Europe for Europians is it not so? So what now? Have we ever bothered to know how business go in Britain, America and Europe? Why so much interest by you whites on our affairs? Interference!
More than Mugabe destroying Zimbabwe on the process? LOL! Get real facts!
rebeca carandiru ALL IMMIGRANTS THEN ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO INTO EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, RIGHT? So I don't want to hear ANY complaints from white people about immigration.
lobster0right
No, I'll not complain, I will k*** them!
You simply are very racist and greedy!
Quite right.
Damn people better wake up either kick them out or treat them like the minority they are...stop selling out your better than that. Dump the traders among you stand together against tyranny.
why they refused to leave ?
Jeanette Manjengwa IS ZANU PF SO ITS NOT SURPRISING
Zanu PF made the mistake of thinking with its heart on the issue of land. The land grab was an emotional moment of madness. Taking land away from white farmers was never going to bring about a state of equity. At best, it gave only the illusion of redress.
The real question Zanu PF should have concerned itself with was how an effective policy could be formulated to allow every citizen to derive a benefit from the land.
YES THESE ACADEMICS WERE PAID NY MUGABE TO WRITE THIS NONSENSE HANLON IS A CLOSE FRIEND OF MUGABES
this aged well.
The United Nations World Food Program says it is closely monitoring the
crippling drought situation in Zimbabwe and lobbying stakeholders for the
provision of food and other resources to the affected families.
Officials said Zimbabwe has pledged 35,000 tonnes of maize and the WFP is
working with other organizations to secure additional aid.
Close to 1.6 million people will need food aid
Lesley Marsma? as in what? Marizima? or what?
An estimated 1.6 million people in the rural areas of Zimbabwe will require food aid next year, according to a food needs assessment report. The annual Zimbabwe Vulnerability Assessment (Zimvac), carried out by the UN and the Zimbabwean government, found that one in five people living in rural areas are facing food shortages during the "hunger season" between January and March.
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Thought we were talking about farms, buddy?
these farmerrs were born in zimbabwe some have been there for 300 years and most bought farms legally after independance after 1980 under zanu pf
The facts are, that in 2000 Zimbabwe outputs reached $3.347 billion and in 2009 had declined to $1.348 billion.
In addition 300,00 farm workers had been displaced during the land invasions, effecting 2 million people !
Do not take this report as factual, look at the figures and the unnecessary imports of maize Zimbabwe has to beg, borrow or steal every year.
The UK has not reneged on commitments (made) at Lancaster House. At Lancaster House the British Government made clear that the long-term requirements of land reform in Zimbabwe were beyond the capacity of any individual donor country. Since [Zimbabwe's] independence we have provided 44 million pounds for land reform in Zimbabwe and 500 million pounds The UK remains a strong advocate for effective, well managed and pro-poor land reform. Fast-track land reform has not been implemented PROPERLY
tigerone you are all over the internet i am sure you are CIO and mugabe pays you 100/ mnth to come speak rubbish. Alot of farmers bought land well after independence and are owed money for the improvements to land alot of farmers built houses dams and irrigation,
Seriously, think I miss something at the end of the video title, ... a white people perspective.
YOU need these good white people, EVERYONE learned so much from them and still there is racism, not good............ work together it is all better now but hard times will come and the country will need help from europe because of geo-political major shifts plus economics, hope you hang in there and make alot of preserve foods that will help you when the hit comes and it will be bad! IF THINGS STAY GOOD I WILL GIVE YOUR COUNTRY CITIZENS WHAT TO DO TO OVERCOME THE BAD HITS COMING! BLESS EVERYONE! WE HAVE ALOT MORE BLACKS IN EUROPE AND LIVE ON WELFARE BECAUSE THERE IS NO JOBS OR BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK; WHICH COSTS ALOT OF MONEY; DO NOT FORGET THAT! DO NOT SHAKE THE BOAT!
there are many blacks and non whites that own land in Europe infact there is one successfull black farmer in England from zimbabwe who sells maize to zimbabweans in UK i know because I have met him
THIS HANLON I HATE HIM WITH A PASSION I TELL YOU HOW CAN ACADEMICS SELL THEMSELVES LIKE THIS TO ZANU PF. ZANU PF MUST OF OFFERED THIS DUDE ALOT OF MONEY BECAUSE I AM IN ZIM RIGHT NOW AND THAT BOOK DOES NOT DEPICT THE WHOLE COUNTRY
My goodness, we are penguins! Could you please keep the potty talk down?!
Name one report that shows Rhodesian farmers were NOT subsidized a lot more than Zimbabwean ones.
God damn you Charlie!
Remember, after the Zimbabwean government took the land from the whites, the productivity of the farms fell dramatically, Zimbabwe's GDP went down, Poverty rose, Inflation went through the roof, and the capital city Harare is ranked amongst the worst to live in. Truly, Zimbabwe is a great nation.
Thats natural because they will need time to adjust, if you cant seee that then u are just another bitter individual who wants to support oppresion of zimbabweans on their own land...and not to mention the sanctions...all those problems your talking about were caused by sanctions, inflation was already high before they took the farms...
Dani Mimi
Its been about a decade since this started, I'm waiting. Plus even if there are western-based sanctions on Zimbabwe, why hasn't it profited much from Eastern Countries like China and Malaysia? There's more to this than sanctions.
Konrad Kurze name one country that has built its economy in a decade...and it is clear to me that u dont understand sactions...America put sactions AND asked all its friends to do the same. Malaysia is a quacking duck to the states and China does not want to provoke america coz it holds american bonds...Only Russia recently lifted some of the sactions...basically almost all countries that Zimbabwe was trading with stoped doing trade with them...give them time, this is a poor country, politically unstable and under sactions from some of the most powerful nations on this planet...can u realy seeing them flourish under suck pressure?
Dani Mimi
Alright then. We shall see.
Konrad Kurze BY the way i live in malaysia, i am in malaysia as i write this..i will leave here next year and been here for four years so i know what am talking about...
The food is imported from South Africa and Zambia mainly, but I have seen stuff imported from as far as the US and UK (even in a wholesaler in the rural areas where the small retailers get their products - sugar imported from Malawi, biscuits from Zambia, rice from Malawi, soap from South Africa, cooking oil from South Africa and Mealie Meal, although milled in Zimbabwe, is being imported from SA and Zambia, etc etc). People tend to grown their own vegetables. A JOKE
I am not unhappy I am enjoying here in zimbabwe whilst you live with all the whites in UK as your profile suggests actually I work as an Agronomist helping these black farmers in zimbabwe, thats how come I know its a disaster. I am on the ground here in zimbabwe
Only scientific methods, backed by adequate funding in properly organized and functional groups, in adherance to basic principles of law can yield production equating to those two decades ago.
Have you not read about farm squabbles between 'select' white farmers and semi-resettled 'marauding' party loyalists fighting for control of certain farms?
Murerwa is still trying to defuse the situation as this wil negatively impact on the
you are foolish and have no argument under BIPPA investment bilateral clause, the zimbabwe government and other governments allowed foreign nationals to invest in land this was well after independence the zanu pf government has admitted wrongs of taking these farms from investors as ZANU PF have broken contract. A group of dutch farmers won a case whereby ZANU PF OWE THEM AN EXCESS OF 300 MILLION
Bring back RHODESIA !
Rhodesia is dead and buried
We are so insulted, you are discriminating against us because we are from Antarctica? Betcha 100 Rand your granddaughter would rather spend the afternoon with us!
Much of the land "redistributed" was in the south west and in matebele areas and has been given to zanupf supporting "war veterans" who are Shona and their ansecstors haven't been on that land since at least the 1830's if ever.
What about the MATABELE YOU SHONA ARE TRIBALISTS AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CHIMURENGA
I was born in arcadia and actually went to prince Edward High I know harare and zim and i am working in Agriculture here and my father is white
And the real names are, Robert Mugabe ZANU-PF President, Joseph Mtekwese ZANU-PF Minister for Agriculture, Herbert Murerwa ZANU-PF Minister for Land and Land Resettlement, Webster Kotuira Shamu ZANU-PF Minister for Information and Publicity, Walter Mzembi ZANU-PF Minister for Tourism and Patrick Chimamasa ZANU-PF Minister for Justice and Legal Affairs.
What a load of revisionist bollocks.
But what happened to the white farmers was not "reform" in most cases they were thrown off the land, land that then failed to be managed properly and the people starved or had to go to the borders to get food.
Others were brutally murdered by thugs and their valuables taken. nobody moved into the area to take up the land, they never had any intention of becoming farmers.
If you must report on this, report on it accurately.
The white people are also Zimbabwean, some of them more than some black people. Racism is racism.
instead of taking property someone else (a Zimbabwean's) has built , their houses, electricity, water systems why nt give them rich unoccupied land so that they could build, then maybe some of us might want to talk about who's getting, and why, and transparency.
We are black and we have to live in this country, unlike most people who like to comment about what they don't know. A commercial farm provides many black people with employment. That pic looks like J. White but thats not him.
if you start your business here, is it okay for me to come and take it, the property you built
you are correct but i think that ZANU PF have offered alot of money to scholars to write nonsense
Ok, lets cut the political & ideological crap; Rhodesia = Productive, stable, affordable & with excellent infrastructure and access to basic necessities for ALL Rhodesians. Zimbabwe = The exact opposite. Or am I incorrect?
Note * All those things were provided to the benefit of a minority of white Rhodesians. So yes economically Rhodesia was great but great for who ...
For all Takunda, for all.
Not the majority of the population that was black mate. Blacks were excluded from being actively involved in the economy . The only well off black people (which was rare) at that time were school teachers, bus and small store owners. The uneven nature of wealth distribution in favour of the white minority should indicate that the Rhodesian utopia was NOT for all. I would rather be enabled to become the master of my own destiny than to get meager handouts from a government that despises me and limits my ability to be anything more than a worker.
This level of stupidity is common with white supremacists, don't argue with this hack.
lol
Trust an academic to misrepresent the facts and cause more issues for a land that is a failed state. Just to sell a book and make money.
Maybe the facts on the ground, 95% unemployment and food shortages and hunger.
just the numbers as most work for government. I do not include the lie of Subsistence farmers surviving in poverty and street vendors surviving. even though the population has doubled since 1980 the number employed has halved in real terms.
you lie so much. You call land owners "cronies"
Lovely. You have taken a modern agricultural system and returned it too subsisdence farming. This is an economic nonsense.
The economically rich agricultural system enabled a system of decent education (Mugabe's one achievement in the 1980s) and reasonable (by African standards) healthcare. The future was in an educated, healthy generation.
Now that we are back to subsisdence farming and a subsisdence economy there is no more education and no more health care.
And you call this progress?
is our land not yours
He says while having a tanzanian flag as his avatar.