“Things count until they don’t, and everyone just get over it” is a good philosophy to have when it comes to continuity, and like Bob, I respect James Gunn for just coming out and saying it so nerds with nothing better to do in their spare time don’t get up in his ass about it.
Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that most long-running franchises NEED a major reboot or "crisis event" or soforth every now and then, to clear out the lore clutter. It's like how occasional forest fires stop a forest from choking out by clearing biological clutter. Too much continuity can start choking out a franchise as well. Plus, a well-executed lore reboot can keep the 'good stuff' and jettison everything that's awkward, bad, or outdated. Like how after Disney rebooted the Star Wars EU, Thrawn was almost immediately recanonized because he HAD to come back. On the other hand, remember that time Luke fell in love with a Force ghost? I'm pretty sure the name "Callista Ming" will never be uttered again, and that's just fine.
Honestly, it's really ironic that the whole idea of Superman being a younger and more idealistic newcomer kind of indirectly started in "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice", where he was explicitly going up against an older, jaded and cynical Batman who had already been fighting crime for at least a decade before Superman came along. It's just that "BvS" didn't really *do* anything with that idea, and the filmmakers (probably) just made Batman an older guy to pander to fans of "The Dark Knight Returns". As a lot of people have pointed out: "BvS" could have been a really compelling reinterpretation of the characters if the story had fully explored the implications of Superman being the first of a new breed of superheroes who threatened the global status quo (in the best possible way) going up against "the old guard". And it looks like James Gunn's "Superman" might be doing just that.
Snyder forgot to actually make the younger Superman idealistic, thus we just got two cynical assholes brooding for two hours before a third cynical asshole threw in a big dumb monster for them to fight for no reason. I think Gunn might do it a BIT better 😜
3:54 Gunn's statement there reminds me of Alan Moore's opener for Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow?: "This is an imaginary story...but aren't they all?"
"Creature Commandos" feels like a Gail Simone story, the way it blends fart jokes, violence, and continuity-conscious-but-not-continuity-obsessed storytelling with its heart on its sleeve
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I love this vision of the DC Universe, effectively "We see the world you've built, and we counter it with: what if you just tell good stories that people want to watch about relatable figures rather than overarching plotlines" and I think that's the space that DC has always thrived in. DC continuitiy has always been WAY more fucked than Marvel's, by virtue of their need to burn it to the ground and restart every thirty or so years, but Gunn can play "back to basics" as a strength by using the basics of character work without the shackles of origin stories.
"It sounds bitter, because it is bitter" appreciate the self-awareness, Bob. Still rather see you do work you enjoy/tolerate than something you've got to compromise yourself to do
I really, really hope you’re right about this. I know how much the world needs a proper Superman right now, but I definitely need it. I didn’t even know Creature Commandos was out. Watching that when I get home.
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Man, if DC manages to pull off genuine and optimistic Superman that's not being ironic or subversive, that would be great. Honestly, if the whole DCEU was more committed to the bit and not trying to diffuse everything serious with a bad placed joke that would be a breath of fresh air in the genre...
"...as militarized police figures. I will explain." Any of the 'working for SHIELD' type heroes fall into that. That's pretty straightforward. Spider-Man, Dr Strange, and a few others doing their own thing don't really fall into that category, but could fall into a kind of magic/cosmic police/detective kind of vibe. Spider-Man has been de-militarized (decoupled from Tony Stark) effectively, so there's good potential for another category, more of the 'street level' type.
I love how James Gunn's post firing career plays like a targeted hit list of every ideology connect to the group that came after him. This man holds a Grudge.
Honestly if people want good Superman stories, just watch Superman & Lois and My Adventures With Superman. Those shows made the "how to update Superman for modern times" question look so effortless in execution.
About the bitterness thing, I wish I could offer re-assurance but the best I can manage is commiseration. But then I remind myself that there are good things in life and people who have it worse. It is some solace on this long unique journey that we are taking through existing. May something unexpectedly good happen to you in the future and know that we value you Bob.
I think shows like the Boys and Invincible threw us into fully formed super hero worlds and just started running with their stories. I think shows like that help out a lot with the idea that Gunn can just throw us into a full formed DC universe and casual fans will be okay with that. Superman is one of my all time favorites. I hope we can get a movie that looks great like Man of Steel, something with heart like the first two Reeves Superman flicks and a story not afraid to put in some weird shit from the comics that never make it into the live action movies. I think we could get that with Gunn. All the continuity shit is secondary to me compared to that.
@@orhanamin1347 snyderverse is boring, dont make sense, generally stupid,n look bad and has no real story, just look at the crapfest that was superman vs batmam
@@orhanamin1347 you can not factually say "no one cares". I care, Bob cares and this comment section is full of people who care. None of your stupid hashtags are going to work you absolute dork.
Bob, I love your videos and love to hear your take on projects like this and “if I ruled DC” and that kind of imagination. I think it’s a lot more interesting than speculating what might happen because of a leaked photo. Keep up the great work.
People need to understand that "pretending to do the thing that we all know is the problem" is often identical to doing the thing that we all know is the problem.
I wonder how much this version of Superman will be drawing from My Adventures With Superman, which has a similar vibe of looking at Supes from a modern angle, and being willing to change things while staying true to the core of the characters.
This reminds me of when Disney announced Marvel Rising as a project. I thought was going to be a neat TV show with Ghost Spider, Squirrel Girl, Ms Marvel, America Chavez, etc... a sort of 'here's all our young and hip characters!' sort of deal (I was hoping Gwenpool would get a shot!), but in the end of the first TV movie they get given an HQ by an authority figure (Captain Marvel and I think SWORD?) and told "be a team now!" and it felt SO forced. Similar to what happened in Ultimate Spider-Man where Nick Fury sorta forced Spider into a team... It felt like all the Marvel heroes were all reliant on the blessing of authority figures to be actual heroes. I didn't follow the rest of the Marvel Rising project and it all seemed to just vanish from public perception after that...
Can't wait for part 2! Thanks for putting your Gunn-DC thoughts into video form, I'd been looking forward to them, but had assumed your lack of videos on the topic was (as you said) there not being enough to talk about. Keep up the good work!
My father collected comics, I grew up learning to read through them, and Creature Commandos was easily one of my favorites. It's right up there with US-1 and Rom The Space Knight- it's absurd, it knows it's absurd, it's fine with being absurd, but it aims to be the best most high quality version of absurd it can possibly be; So, basically the perfect project for James Gunn.
“Things count until they don’t, and everyone just get over it” is the tokusatsu way to handle continuity :p Continuity only has value if its in service to a good story! Continuity is not a goal in itself, it's just gotta be fun!
I wish I could feel anywhere near your optimism, Mr Chipman...truly. But any enterprise that starts under the ultimate aegis of David Zaslav has got a lot heavy lifting to do.
Thanks Bob! I didn't know about Creature Commandos. I'm more of a Marvel guy although I've watched and enjoyed Gunn's Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. DCEU is going in an interesting direction and incidentally the actors from the previous iteration are free now to join MCU as a Squadron Supreme ;)
@@Rubberman202 Nah, DCU Stuff is Already Failure Because for Snyder Fans, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Marvel continuity works better as a timeline because they’ve always been about the now. DC continuity work best in a sphere of timelessness, as proven by my first love: DC animated universe championed by Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, and Dwayne McDuffie
no better way to start the weekend than a new video from Bob, and one where Bob is happy. I'm really wanting to see where you're going with all this, because it sounds like you're thinking what i've been feeling/hoping for this.
It would be awesome if I could watch this in Canada on Max or HBO, like I could every other DC title. But no, I need a fncking cable plan to watch this is Canada. Great start, Gunn.
i love your takes on this kind of stuff i've kind of found you to be the most consistent and have the most level and interesting speculations and takes for stuff even in the instances where you might've been wrong (i can't remember specific instances, I'm just laying that out there verbally in case you were) it doesn't feel as big of a deal and the rest of the stuff around it evens things out and i think you being right or at least having sound ideas make sense that i can get behind
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After watching episode 3 of Creature Commandos (spoiler alert I guess), one of the things that stuck out to me was how the show skirts by and then subverts the tropes that we hate so much... for example, in so many other shows in the Scene where GI Robot guns down the Nazi's at the ambush in WW2, most shows would have had the team terrified of his power and even further alienate him and distance themselves even more, but here they embrace him as one of their own and fricken love the guy. I was so damned happy when they went that direction with the scene because not only does it make more sense, but it also makes what happens later even more tragic and effective.
Sorry, but when had that scenario you've played out ever happened? Like, which film or TV show did this? Marvel Caption America slaughtered nazi and his Howling Commandos were right by his side happy to have him. DC's Watchmen had Dr Manhattan slaughtering nazi and they were happy to have him. DC has Wonder Woman slaughtering Germans and everyone cheered. So I don't get what revisionist history of cinema you are referring to
Exactly. He took out the people who were trying to kill them. They reacted how I think I would in that situation. He kept his buddies alive in a war zone.
Color me intrigued. But Bob, aren't you worried that the Superman film will just portray him as reminding the world that it's inherently good, thus undercutting the cynicism inherent in the DCEU so far? Basically a repeat of the Christopher Reeves 1970s Superman?
Nice one...for that hopeful message to sink in will require finesse and a clear-eyed view of the world that allows for such hope to not look stupid. I am frankly uncertain Gunn can pull that off.
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Continuity should never be the main course of a story or franchise. It should be the seasoning, a little extra flavour that can make good stories great, acceptable stories good and lesser stories acceptable. There will always be mistakes made in writing, no organization or person is perfect. And by keeping continuity as something extra, you can focus on making that writing the best that you can.
@@orhanamin1347 Is this an f-ing joke, or did you take a time machine here from 5 years ago, when you were still gross but at least you you weren't an anachronism?
Ok, Bob. Thanks to you I am now *excited* about anything to do with any of these characters for the first time since I was a teenager in the early '90s getting big bundles of DC comics from Sam's.
That would make me so happy if James Gunn is actually going to have Superman be the symbol of Hope and idealism again. This is exactly what will get me to buy a Superman movie ticket for the first time ever
2:38 With all understanding of the poverty factor, Mr Chipman, I am personally glad you never did go down that speculation rabbit hole. It's dishonest hucksterism and frankly a waste of everyone's time. Regardless of where I differ with you on opinions, you're far better than that.
Well, I personally would love to be able to expedite origin stories, I still do enjoy them however, I do worry. The general audience needs a definitive starting point. An origin stories are a good way to do that.
So like… he’s going to be a Blue / Hope Lantern, right? That’s Superman’s whole deal to the world he’s in. He’s really just that good, that he gets people who were littering to clean up their broken city. Even if there isn’t enough time to save every star fish on the beach, you can make a difference for a few, and that honest care makes people change and gives hope where it was lost.
Hey Bob, I doubt it means much in the grand picture, but I saw something that made me think of your videos. At my local WHSmiths, they had a section as Toy R Us. I don't know if this is a revival, a collaboration, or just some targeted nostalgia, but for however long, some of it is back.
League of EXTRAORDINARY Gentlemen, FYI. League Of Gentlemen was actually a 1960s heist film Moore pulled that from. And sadly, he ran that concept into the ground, making it devolve into one long game of "I understood that reference".
Stating super heroes as "militarized police figures" is what they did in The Winter Soldier, because that was the case there, until Captain America came back from the '40s, step in, and said "this is wrong", which was the perfect way to modernize that character, and it is the perfect way to modernize Superman, he is the best of them, and he is the one who can show them there is another way, there is a better way. It also serves in a great meta way in 2025, people are so fucking done with super heroes in movies, that seeing something different on the big screen might awake their interest in them again, just like in the story people might start seeing metahumas in a inspiring way agan.
One thing I've been waiting for and hoping when it comes to the MCU is them just getting over the 'origin story' aspect. I'd really love for future movies like Blade (should they ever get around to making it) should just skip the origin enough people have seen the Wesley Snipes version and all you really need to do is drop a quick 20sec exposition if you feel like you really need to explain it. Even the Fantastic Four I'm hoping really doesn't spend much time on it's origin, though I'm afraid half the movie will be devoted to it. That James Gunn might be skipping that with his new DCU is exciting.
I'm not gonna say I'm bitter, but I am unhappy over where my life, the world, my country, and a lot of other things are going. I feel like I need a big win.
I get that. But I keep getting ugly vibes off all this DC stuff, like a sea of battery acid that corrodes everything. Last time I got something like this was when I saw the first trailer for Wonder Woman 1984 (and we all know how THAT turned out). I truly hope I'm wrong.
I know nothing about Creature Commandos, so whenever he says it I just hear the Cheat Commandos theme from Homestar Runner in my head. "Buy all our playsets and toys!"
The moment they revealed that the Justice League would essentially be corporate stooges owned by a megacorporation I was really excited. Distinguishing yourself as apart from the DCEU is easy, but distinguishing yourself from Marvel is less so. Skewering them as just "colorful and for kids" never rang true to me, so getting at their aggressively status quo ideology is much more engaging.
Joke Comment: Your hit/miss ratio is decent, but it's not Steph Sterling levels of prediction. (Better than Todd-stradamus, but he self-admits to being bad at prediction and has made it an in-joke)
There is a line. If you have a favorite artist, writer or musician and you think they are the best at what they do or you would take in anything they do, that is one thing. If you pay attention to their personal lives, if you think they are this great person, you try to be like them, you seek them out and try to meet, them, that is too much. They are just people but if they are great at what they do, there is nothing wrong with saying that.
11:28 And that's right. I laughed my ass off at the Weasel drowning to death a minute after his introduction, after we've been told he can't swim. But when is Creature Commandos set relative to The Suicide Squad? 12:00 He's on a boat! He's on a boat! Everybody, look at him, 'cause he's sailin' on a boat! 15:08 When you put it that way, you make James Gunn's Superman sound like how you described Captain America in "Winter Soldier": the one unashamedly GOOD guy throwing a monkey wrench in the works of corruption and cynicism, or like a reverse-virus.
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From your analysis it sounds like the MCU went the way of DC comics and DCEU is going the way of marvel comics. That is DC comics were "Gods trying to be people" and always were more status quo enforcing while Marvel was "People trying to live up to gods" and were often more messy and human. Marvel went full Vought and DC (Under JG) is going to refute that.
Im looking forward to part 2. One of my criticisms of the MCU and influenced media is the paramilitary presentation of the heroes. Thats part of the reason I was forgiving of the Snyderverse because of how aesthetically different it was even if it was as shallow as just "less piping and pouches, more sculpted muscles" Ive been less enthused with James Gunn because it was feeling like he was bringing in that style and homogenizing things to confrom. But if thats all set up for a rebuke of that status quo? Alright you have my attention.
If this essay is going where I think its going, Ross and Waid's DC epic, then I guess I hope it doesnt literally adapt that story as much as spiritually adapting it. Gunn would have a lot more leg room than needing to figure how to get Shazam and Superman on opposite sides or making Supes+Wonder work, yet also take the bold swings evocative of that story, like a great tragedy Supes was unable to prevent and occurred recklessly, blaming himself and needing to rally himself up to recommit to being a hero.
I love that Gunn's approach is taking its time with these projects. This is a welcome change compared to Marvel Studio's "get this out on time before it has a chance to pull its socks up." I love the MCU. There have been some great projects during phases 4 & 5. But Disney's rush to make their own Netflix with blackjack and hookers has made the MCU feel muddled. Too many corners have been cut for the sake of telling a damn good story. DC Studios has this Hawaiian-time feel to it. We'll get there when we get there.
I'm looking forward to the new Superman movie, but on Social Media I try to filter out James Gun as much as I can. Interested in Super and the Terrifics though
I would love to see the turn be that all the "current" superhero grounds and people adopted the militaristic approach because they were either forced to so their work was legal. Or because they are mortal men and women with limited powers and abilities and subject to being ended by stray fire. The Superman shows up and can just deal with situations with ease to the point it boring for him. That then gives him the time to step back and go, ok something is systematically wrong here and we need to address the root cause, not just jail the idiots with guns.
@@jordanloux3883 Less bad and more concerning is what I'd call it. When it comes his storytelling, Gunn has serious limitations and gaps. The Suicide Squad, for instance, feels like it has mostly blank space instead of a second act. So far, these shortcomings hasn't mattered all that much for Gunn. But unless he REALLY pulls this off, it will sooner or later.
The win for the corporations is a loss for the rest of us, and the eventual bitterness of those chewed up in their machinations. It's hard on factory workers, and even harder on creatives, who seem to be valued even less.
@michaelhutchings6602 Apple becomes large enough to prevent serious competition and then treats employees like crap or raises prices. There's a reason "The Wealth of Nations" cautioned against monopolies over 2 centuries ago. Oligarchies are bad for everyone except those at the top.
Is the next video going to turn into yet another "The MCU Is Copaganda" stuff, because I'm not sure I'm going to stay quiet if I hear that stupid argument again. I'm just really over that accusation by this point, I really am.
Not that I haven't heard something of the same but would you mind expanding on that comment a bit? FYI, I'm with you in that it's a BS argument. IMO, MCU is really about the decline and fall of American hegemony.
I'm sorry, but what makes Circe think these dorks will last 20 seconds after hitting Themyscira's beaches? It's a bunch of neckbeards, not even professional soldiers, versus an army of wonder women!
Shame about Wonder Woman 3, I like Gal Gadot and don't think she should be recast just because some people think anything of Israeli descent is EEEEEEEEEEEVIL now.
And based on the results of the most recent Election, Israel getting Hezbollah to back off, the Assad regime's fall in Syria, and Iran just generally having egg on their faces, those people lost BIG time.
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“Things count until they don’t, and everyone just get over it” is a good philosophy to have when it comes to continuity, and like Bob, I respect James Gunn for just coming out and saying it so nerds with nothing better to do in their spare time don’t get up in his ass about it.
@@matthewbankey5547 No One Cares, Because I Don’t Trust James Gunn Bullshit. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347try not to conflate “I don’t care” with “no one cares” in the future.
Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that most long-running franchises NEED a major reboot or "crisis event" or soforth every now and then, to clear out the lore clutter. It's like how occasional forest fires stop a forest from choking out by clearing biological clutter. Too much continuity can start choking out a franchise as well.
Plus, a well-executed lore reboot can keep the 'good stuff' and jettison everything that's awkward, bad, or outdated. Like how after Disney rebooted the Star Wars EU, Thrawn was almost immediately recanonized because he HAD to come back. On the other hand, remember that time Luke fell in love with a Force ghost? I'm pretty sure the name "Callista Ming" will never be uttered again, and that's just fine.
"This is an Imaginary Story.
Aren't they all?"
Honestly, it's really ironic that the whole idea of Superman being a younger and more idealistic newcomer kind of indirectly started in "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice", where he was explicitly going up against an older, jaded and cynical Batman who had already been fighting crime for at least a decade before Superman came along. It's just that "BvS" didn't really *do* anything with that idea, and the filmmakers (probably) just made Batman an older guy to pander to fans of "The Dark Knight Returns".
As a lot of people have pointed out: "BvS" could have been a really compelling reinterpretation of the characters if the story had fully explored the implications of Superman being the first of a new breed of superheroes who threatened the global status quo (in the best possible way) going up against "the old guard". And it looks like James Gunn's "Superman" might be doing just that.
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@@orhanamin1347 I'm not sure how your comment connects to the original comment, especially with those hashtags.
@@orhanamin1347 - I am sure that Snyder will keep making movies, so you can just go watch those instead of griefing about somebody else's.
@@voltijuice8576 Really shitty movies if Rebel Moon is any indication.
Snyder forgot to actually make the younger Superman idealistic, thus we just got two cynical assholes brooding for two hours before a third cynical asshole threw in a big dumb monster for them to fight for no reason.
I think Gunn might do it a BIT better 😜
3:54 Gunn's statement there reminds me of Alan Moore's opener for Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow?:
"This is an imaginary story...but aren't they all?"
Stories aren't important because they are real. They are important because of how they make us feel.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Bullshit!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
"Creature Commandos" feels like a Gail Simone story, the way it blends fart jokes, violence, and continuity-conscious-but-not-continuity-obsessed storytelling with its heart on its sleeve
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@@orhanamin1347 Did you create this account just to spam for Snyder? Get a frigging life dude.
I love this vision of the DC Universe, effectively "We see the world you've built, and we counter it with: what if you just tell good stories that people want to watch about relatable figures rather than overarching plotlines" and I think that's the space that DC has always thrived in. DC continuitiy has always been WAY more fucked than Marvel's, by virtue of their need to burn it to the ground and restart every thirty or so years, but Gunn can play "back to basics" as a strength by using the basics of character work without the shackles of origin stories.
"It sounds bitter, because it is bitter" appreciate the self-awareness, Bob. Still rather see you do work you enjoy/tolerate than something you've got to compromise yourself to do
3 cheers for the Tin Man!
I really, really hope you’re right about this. I know how much the world needs a proper Superman right now, but I definitely need it. I didn’t even know Creature Commandos was out. Watching that when I get home.
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@@orhanamin1347bro you need to move on…
@ NO!!!
Man, if DC manages to pull off genuine and optimistic Superman that's not being ironic or subversive, that would be great. Honestly, if the whole DCEU was more committed to the bit and not trying to diffuse everything serious with a bad placed joke that would be a breath of fresh air in the genre...
Gunn -None of this is real
Someone who never read a comic book -How dare you!!! I will vote for trump now.
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@@orhanamin1347 They care even less about you.
Now, now; that could also apply to the MORONS that condemned us by _not< voting.
"...as militarized police figures. I will explain."
Any of the 'working for SHIELD' type heroes fall into that. That's pretty straightforward.
Spider-Man, Dr Strange, and a few others doing their own thing don't really fall into that category, but could fall into a kind of magic/cosmic police/detective kind of vibe.
Spider-Man has been de-militarized (decoupled from Tony Stark) effectively, so there's good potential for another category, more of the 'street level' type.
I love how James Gunn's post firing career plays like a targeted hit list of every ideology connect to the group that came after him. This man holds a Grudge.
Hey, when it works, it works.
You come after a king, you better not miss.
@@ANIpJs He also knows how to piss off the right people. ^w^
Don't blame him...and it's gotten him some success thus far.
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Honestly if people want good Superman stories, just watch Superman & Lois and My Adventures With Superman. Those shows made the "how to update Superman for modern times" question look so effortless in execution.
I like my adventures with superman and Batman Caped crusader
@@zainmudassir2964 same would love some more.
About the bitterness thing, I wish I could offer re-assurance but the best I can manage is commiseration. But then I remind myself that there are good things in life and people who have it worse. It is some solace on this long unique journey that we are taking through existing.
May something unexpectedly good happen to you in the future and know that we value you Bob.
I think shows like the Boys and Invincible threw us into fully formed super hero worlds and just started running with their stories. I think shows like that help out a lot with the idea that Gunn can just throw us into a full formed DC universe and casual fans will be okay with that. Superman is one of my all time favorites. I hope we can get a movie that looks great like Man of Steel, something with heart like the first two Reeves Superman flicks and a story not afraid to put in some weird shit from the comics that never make it into the live action movies. I think we could get that with Gunn. All the continuity shit is secondary to me compared to that.
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@@orhanamin1347 snyderverse is comeplete crap
@@tuehojbjerg969 No It’s Not, Gunnbot!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 snyderverse is boring, dont make sense, generally stupid,n look bad and has no real story, just look at the crapfest that was superman vs batmam
@@orhanamin1347 you can not factually say "no one cares". I care, Bob cares and this comment section is full of people who care. None of your stupid hashtags are going to work you absolute dork.
Bob, I love your videos and love to hear your take on projects like this and “if I ruled DC” and that kind of imagination. I think it’s a lot more interesting than speculating what might happen because of a leaked photo. Keep up the great work.
But, Bob, 45 minutes of inventing the 'truth' is basically how most of TH-cam operates these days.
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People need to understand that "pretending to do the thing that we all know is the problem" is often identical to doing the thing that we all know is the problem.
I wonder how much this version of Superman will be drawing from My Adventures With Superman, which has a similar vibe of looking at Supes from a modern angle, and being willing to change things while staying true to the core of the characters.
This reminds me of when Disney announced Marvel Rising as a project. I thought was going to be a neat TV show with Ghost Spider, Squirrel Girl, Ms Marvel, America Chavez, etc... a sort of 'here's all our young and hip characters!' sort of deal (I was hoping Gwenpool would get a shot!), but in the end of the first TV movie they get given an HQ by an authority figure (Captain Marvel and I think SWORD?) and told "be a team now!" and it felt SO forced. Similar to what happened in Ultimate Spider-Man where Nick Fury sorta forced Spider into a team... It felt like all the Marvel heroes were all reliant on the blessing of authority figures to be actual heroes. I didn't follow the rest of the Marvel Rising project and it all seemed to just vanish from public perception after that...
Can't wait for part 2!
Thanks for putting your Gunn-DC thoughts into video form, I'd been looking forward to them, but had assumed your lack of videos on the topic was (as you said) there not being enough to talk about.
Keep up the good work!
@@shakibone Nope, Because Nobody Cares about Gunn’s DCU Bullshit, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
My father collected comics, I grew up learning to read through them, and Creature Commandos was easily one of my favorites.
It's right up there with US-1 and Rom The Space Knight- it's absurd, it knows it's absurd, it's fine with being absurd, but it aims to be the best most high quality version of absurd it can possibly be; So, basically the perfect project for James Gunn.
3 of my favorites. Up there with Warlord and Unknown Solider.
“Taking it one step at a time” is extremely refreshing if it turns out to be true
“Things count until they don’t, and everyone just get over it” is the tokusatsu way to handle continuity :p Continuity only has value if its in service to a good story! Continuity is not a goal in itself, it's just gotta be fun!
Amen to that.
Looking forward to part 2, Bob.
I am 49-years-old, and I am significantly bitter about my life. 🤦
Same age but trust me here...the bitterness doesn't help.
Looking forward to part 2! 😁
I do hope they keep that blue beetle movie in continuity especially if they're bringing in the justice league international
"thanks" for "contributing".
@TheEvilCheesecake welcome
Bob, I'm happy you're happy.
I wish I could feel anywhere near your optimism, Mr Chipman...truly. But any enterprise that starts under the ultimate aegis of David Zaslav has got a lot heavy lifting to do.
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At least now DC has its own studio, so that should mean that the buck will typically stop at Gunn and Safran like with Feige at Marvel.
Besides, the merger’s given Zaslav a busy enough workload without having to manage the DC side.
So glad to have quality Movie Bob material! The world is poorer without your contributions.
4:30 Bob admitting he is one of the dozen of us who have seen “The Specials”
I found it on TH-cam a few months ago. Really good for what it is. Probably liked it a bit more than Super.
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Ironically (considering it was a flop most people forgot about), the Blue Beetle film could fit very well in the new DC universe they're building
Thanks Bob! I didn't know about Creature Commandos. I'm more of a Marvel guy although I've watched and enjoyed Gunn's Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. DCEU is going in an interesting direction and incidentally the actors from the previous iteration are free now to join MCU as a Squadron Supreme ;)
Affleck was meh as Batman, Cavill has his WH40k in the works, Gadot is Evil Queen and Miller is horrible human being so... no 😊
@sathrielsatanson666 I just thought it would be funny :) Even as a cameos. I like Cavil and Gadot, I don't care about the others.
@felis1977 I can respect the meme value
It's nice to see H.E.L.P.eR from Venture Bros is getting work in other projects.
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It's actually cool to be genuinely excited about DC stuff coming out now! It's a nice feeling!
@@Rubberman202 Nah, DCU Stuff is Already Failure Because for Snyder Fans, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Marvel continuity works better as a timeline because they’ve always been about the now. DC continuity work best in a sphere of timelessness, as proven by my first love: DC animated universe championed by Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, and Dwayne McDuffie
I'm just happy to have comic book tv shows, cartoons, and (hopefully) movies that FEEL like comic books brought to a different medium.
no better way to start the weekend than a new video from Bob, and one where Bob is happy. I'm really wanting to see where you're going with all this, because it sounds like you're thinking what i've been feeling/hoping for this.
It would be awesome if I could watch this in Canada on Max or HBO, like I could every other DC title. But no, I need a fncking cable plan to watch this is Canada. Great start, Gunn.
Yeah...Mr Chipman feels a little optimistic with all this, doesn't he?
@@kevinmckenna5682 Nope, Because Gunn’s DCU is Already DOA Because for Snyder Fans, Ya Hack!!!
i love your takes on this kind of stuff
i've kind of found you to be the most consistent and have the most level and interesting speculations and takes for stuff
even in the instances where you might've been wrong (i can't remember specific instances, I'm just laying that out there verbally in case you were) it doesn't feel as big of a deal and the rest of the stuff around it evens things out and i think you being right or at least having sound ideas make sense that i can get behind
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....ok🤷♂️?
After watching episode 3 of Creature Commandos (spoiler alert I guess), one of the things that stuck out to me was how the show skirts by and then subverts the tropes that we hate so much... for example, in so many other shows in the Scene where GI Robot guns down the Nazi's at the ambush in WW2, most shows would have had the team terrified of his power and even further alienate him and distance themselves even more, but here they embrace him as one of their own and fricken love the guy. I was so damned happy when they went that direction with the scene because not only does it make more sense, but it also makes what happens later even more tragic and effective.
He kills Nazis. Until the last decade, it was hard to hate anyone who lived by that code.
Sorry, but when had that scenario you've played out ever happened? Like, which film or TV show did this? Marvel Caption America slaughtered nazi and his Howling Commandos were right by his side happy to have him. DC's Watchmen had Dr Manhattan slaughtering nazi and they were happy to have him. DC has Wonder Woman slaughtering Germans and everyone cheered. So I don't get what revisionist history of cinema you are referring to
Exactly. He took out the people who were trying to kill them. They reacted how I think I would in that situation. He kept his buddies alive in a war zone.
Color me intrigued. But Bob, aren't you worried that the Superman film will just portray him as reminding the world that it's inherently good, thus undercutting the cynicism inherent in the DCEU so far? Basically a repeat of the Christopher Reeves 1970s Superman?
Nice one...for that hopeful message to sink in will require finesse and a clear-eyed view of the world that allows for such hope to not look stupid. I am frankly uncertain Gunn can pull that off.
So... the premise of "Kingdom Come," but stretched out over a franchise.
Mr. Gunn, you absolute MADLAD. That's genius.
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Continuity should never be the main course of a story or franchise. It should be the seasoning, a little extra flavour that can make good stories great, acceptable stories good and lesser stories acceptable. There will always be mistakes made in writing, no organization or person is perfect. And by keeping continuity as something extra, you can focus on making that writing the best that you can.
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@@orhanamin1347 Is this an f-ing joke, or did you take a time machine here from 5 years ago, when you were still gross but at least you you weren't an anachronism?
@@orhanamin1347 you are what people talk about when they call people "npcs".
Ok, Bob. Thanks to you I am now *excited* about anything to do with any of these characters for the first time since I was a teenager in the early '90s getting big bundles of DC comics from Sam's.
That would make me so happy if James Gunn is actually going to have Superman be the symbol of Hope and idealism again.
This is exactly what will get me to buy a Superman movie ticket for the first time ever
Imagine being excited about Superman again. It's been so long.
2:38 With all understanding of the poverty factor, Mr Chipman, I am personally glad you never did go down that speculation rabbit hole. It's dishonest hucksterism and frankly a waste of everyone's time. Regardless of where I differ with you on opinions, you're far better than that.
It’s true! You are always right at figuring out this stuff in advance! I’m looking forward to this new Superman movie even more now!
One, the barrage of false starts was great once I got where you were going. I like your idea. An actual hopeful Superman is what we need.
Well, I personally would love to be able to expedite origin stories, I still do enjoy them however, I do worry. The general audience needs a definitive starting point. An origin stories are a good way to do that.
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@@orhanamin1347 What, all 3 of you?
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@@rmsgrey That was the beginning and end of my engagement.
Thanks Bob and that's the big picture
So like… he’s going to be a Blue / Hope Lantern, right? That’s Superman’s whole deal to the world he’s in. He’s really just that good, that he gets people who were littering to clean up their broken city. Even if there isn’t enough time to save every star fish on the beach, you can make a difference for a few, and that honest care makes people change and gives hope where it was lost.
Hey Bob, I doubt it means much in the grand picture, but I saw something that made me think of your videos. At my local WHSmiths, they had a section as Toy R Us. I don't know if this is a revival, a collaboration, or just some targeted nostalgia, but for however long, some of it is back.
How dare you hit us with the part 2. But it was well timed and well written.
Alan Moore called, he wants his League of Gentlemen pitch back
League of EXTRAORDINARY Gentlemen, FYI. League Of Gentlemen was actually a 1960s heist film Moore pulled that from. And sadly, he ran that concept into the ground, making it devolve into one long game of "I understood that reference".
These are the kind of overthought essays I’m here for. Thank you, & carry on.
Stating super heroes as "militarized police figures" is what they did in The Winter Soldier, because that was the case there, until Captain America came back from the '40s, step in, and said "this is wrong", which was the perfect way to modernize that character, and it is the perfect way to modernize Superman, he is the best of them, and he is the one who can show them there is another way, there is a better way. It also serves in a great meta way in 2025, people are so fucking done with super heroes in movies, that seeing something different on the big screen might awake their interest in them again, just like in the story people might start seeing metahumas in a inspiring way agan.
Well that's a helluva cliffhanger, Bob 😳
One thing I've been waiting for and hoping when it comes to the MCU is them just getting over the 'origin story' aspect. I'd really love for future movies like Blade (should they ever get around to making it) should just skip the origin enough people have seen the Wesley Snipes version and all you really need to do is drop a quick 20sec exposition if you feel like you really need to explain it. Even the Fantastic Four I'm hoping really doesn't spend much time on it's origin, though I'm afraid half the movie will be devoted to it.
That James Gunn might be skipping that with his new DCU is exciting.
I'm going to be honest, the zebra shirt and gold chain is a good look
Can’t wait for James gunn’s superman already
Great stuff Bob, I hope you are right!
I'm not gonna say I'm bitter, but I am unhappy over where my life, the world, my country, and a lot of other things are going. I feel like I need a big win.
I get that. But I keep getting ugly vibes off all this DC stuff, like a sea of battery acid that corrodes everything. Last time I got something like this was when I saw the first trailer for Wonder Woman 1984 (and we all know how THAT turned out).
I truly hope I'm wrong.
I know nothing about Creature Commandos, so whenever he says it I just hear the Cheat Commandos theme from Homestar Runner in my head. "Buy all our playsets and toys!"
@@einootspork Nobody Cares, All Because for Snyder Fans, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD #BoycottDCstudios #RestoreTheSnyderverse
If you're right about this, Bob, I will also be very excited.
The moment they revealed that the Justice League would essentially be corporate stooges owned by a megacorporation I was really excited.
Distinguishing yourself as apart from the DCEU is easy, but distinguishing yourself from Marvel is less so. Skewering them as just "colorful and for kids" never rang true to me, so getting at their aggressively status quo ideology is much more engaging.
good stuff, can't wait for part 2!
Joke Comment:
Your hit/miss ratio is decent, but it's not Steph Sterling levels of prediction. (Better than Todd-stradamus, but he self-admits to being bad at prediction and has made it an in-joke)
I'll be honest, I'm no longer comfortable with putting creators on pedestals. It never seems to end well. They always let you down somehow.
You can praise someone who do things you think are valuable. And if they stop doing that, you can stop praising them.
There is a line. If you have a favorite artist, writer or musician and you think they are the best at what they do or you would take in anything they do, that is one thing. If you pay attention to their personal lives, if you think they are this great person, you try to be like them, you seek them out and try to meet, them, that is too much. They are just people but if they are great at what they do, there is nothing wrong with saying that.
I know right? I've been let down so often these past few years I've developed trust issues...
"Never meet your heroes..."
With DC stuff especially, the track record has been terrible.
14:38 loved this cut.
The Bulgarian dialogue in this show caught me off-guard lol
11:28 And that's right. I laughed my ass off at the Weasel drowning to death a minute after his introduction, after we've been told he can't swim. But when is Creature Commandos set relative to The Suicide Squad?
12:00 He's on a boat! He's on a boat! Everybody, look at him, 'cause he's sailin' on a boat!
15:08 When you put it that way, you make James Gunn's Superman sound like how you described Captain America in "Winter Soldier": the one unashamedly GOOD guy throwing a monkey wrench in the works of corruption and cynicism, or like a reverse-virus.
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If I was as prophetic with this stuff, I would remind people how right I was every single time forever.
Hot. Damn. Bob is cooking again! I'm really looking forward to part 2.
From your analysis it sounds like the MCU went the way of DC comics and DCEU is going the way of marvel comics.
That is DC comics were "Gods trying to be people" and always were more status quo enforcing while Marvel was "People trying to live up to gods" and were often more messy and human.
Marvel went full Vought and DC (Under JG) is going to refute that.
Im looking forward to part 2. One of my criticisms of the MCU and influenced media is the paramilitary presentation of the heroes. Thats part of the reason I was forgiving of the Snyderverse because of how aesthetically different it was even if it was as shallow as just "less piping and pouches, more sculpted muscles" Ive been less enthused with James Gunn because it was feeling like he was bringing in that style and homogenizing things to confrom. But if thats all set up for a rebuke of that status quo? Alright you have my attention.
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If this essay is going where I think its going, Ross and Waid's DC epic, then I guess I hope it doesnt literally adapt that story as much as spiritually adapting it. Gunn would have a lot more leg room than needing to figure how to get Shazam and Superman on opposite sides or making Supes+Wonder work, yet also take the bold swings evocative of that story, like a great tragedy Supes was unable to prevent and occurred recklessly, blaming himself and needing to rally himself up to recommit to being a hero.
Kinda wish the Bride had 4 arms like the mid 2000s comics, but it’s early.😊
I love that Gunn's approach is taking its time with these projects. This is a welcome change compared to Marvel Studio's "get this out on time before it has a chance to pull its socks up." I love the MCU. There have been some great projects during phases 4 & 5. But Disney's rush to make their own Netflix with blackjack and hookers has made the MCU feel muddled. Too many corners have been cut for the sake of telling a damn good story.
DC Studios has this Hawaiian-time feel to it. We'll get there when we get there.
I'm looking forward to the new Superman movie, but on Social Media I try to filter out James Gun as much as I can. Interested in Super and the Terrifics though
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can't wait for part 2!
Oh yeah… it’s all coming together, I’m seeing it too.
I CAN SEE IT TOO!!!
I would love to see the turn be that all the "current" superhero grounds and people adopted the militaristic approach because they were either forced to so their work was legal. Or because they are mortal men and women with limited powers and abilities and subject to being ended by stray fire. The Superman shows up and can just deal with situations with ease to the point it boring for him. That then gives him the time to step back and go, ok something is systematically wrong here and we need to address the root cause, not just jail the idiots with guns.
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Let me guess: bob who loves everything james gunn of course loves this.
Why do you say that like it's a bad thing?
@@jordanloux3883 Less bad and more concerning is what I'd call it. When it comes his storytelling, Gunn has serious limitations and gaps. The Suicide Squad, for instance, feels like it has mostly blank space instead of a second act. So far, these shortcomings hasn't mattered all that much for Gunn. But unless he REALLY pulls this off, it will sooner or later.
I'm surprised the title isn't "Super Vision: Going, Going, Gunn"
Don't over-exert yourself, man. We'll get stuff when we get it.
Awesome start, let's wait for part 2, now.
Miss videos like these
ok I think I see where you're going with this and it sounds cool, waiting on the second set
The win for the corporations is a loss for the rest of us, and the eventual bitterness of those chewed up in their machinations. It's hard on factory workers, and even harder on creatives, who seem to be valued even less.
When Apple flourishes how do you lose?
@michaelhutchings6602 Apple becomes large enough to prevent serious competition and then treats employees like crap or raises prices. There's a reason "The Wealth of Nations" cautioned against monopolies over 2 centuries ago. Oligarchies are bad for everyone except those at the top.
Looking forward to part two.
Is the next video going to turn into yet another "The MCU Is Copaganda" stuff, because I'm not sure I'm going to stay quiet if I hear that stupid argument again. I'm just really over that accusation by this point, I really am.
Not that I haven't heard something of the same but would you mind expanding on that comment a bit?
FYI, I'm with you in that it's a BS argument. IMO, MCU is really about the decline and fall of American hegemony.
You've been right before, and I hope you are again.
Part 2 can't come soon enough ^^
I'm sorry, but what makes Circe think these dorks will last 20 seconds after hitting Themyscira's beaches? It's a bunch of neckbeards, not even professional soldiers, versus an army of wonder women!
I was about to go to bed. ... Oh well, sleep can wait.
We appreciate your integrity, Bob :X
Shame about Wonder Woman 3, I like Gal Gadot and don't think she should be recast just because some people think anything of Israeli descent is EEEEEEEEEEEVIL now.
And based on the results of the most recent Election, Israel getting Hezbollah to back off, the Assad regime's fall in Syria, and Iran just generally having egg on their faces, those people lost BIG time.
Leftists like bob defend Islamic theocracy at every turn.
Great essay, Bob, but my head hurts all the same
next week the Superman trailer drops