2023 Lexus RC-F Track Edition - Japanese V8 GT Wide Open (POV)
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- Road America Test Drive of the new Lexus RC-F Track Edition.
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If it’s any helpful in feeling a bit better about the transmission, it definitely was waking up and downshifting in the second half a lot better! A lot of Toyota auto transmissions have a sort of warm-up time after startup for a few shifts before they really start shifting aggressively. At least I noticed that in the IS, GS, and even Camrys
You’re very right. But so frustrating for a 2023!
@@TedwardDrives Lexus over-protects all of the powertrain components for longevity. It takes about 15 - 20 minutes in my RCF for the engine and transmission to properly warm up and come out of limp mode.
@@TedwardDrives I don't agree they are protecting the car from damage making sure it's fully up to temp, I would expect a new car would be more likely to do that than an old car. Also why on earth would you track a car in auto?
@@85CEKR Yep. It is annoying as it takes forever for my RCF to come out of the limp mode even after the redline has gone all the way up. However, I know it will be a good protection for the long term. I agree, Lexus designed the manual mode for the track. The auto mode is just for puttering around even though, it has the G-AI shift control that does rev-matched downshifts under hard braking, but still the manual mode is way more aggressive and shifts faster for time attacks.
Same thing with the 10 speed in my LC500. Takes a few minutes of driving to unlock the full potential of the transmission.
I love Lexus but I feel like the past few years have been meh .. like they produce good cars with superb quality and reliability but sometimes I feel there is no wow factor.
They have to be heavily modified for any action too
I think it was built to be familiar with, for a different audience, rather than a groundbreaking gt3 porsche. Just different ways of thinking and clientele.
Exterior’s like a Hot Wheels’ concept car for toddlers, performance and interior are like a grandpa’s 20 year old Mercedes. Who the hell are they targeting to sell those?
At least the IS F and GS F were great, though they’re all gone now😢
@@Thelittleone412 these 2ur v8s supercharged are amazing
Acura has been the same way (coming from an Acura fan)
This was my press car the week before the MAMA Rally. Absolutely loved looking at it and driving it, but for $105k I felt like there were better options. And no heated seats is WILD for $100k+
The track edition is not the way to go, honestly the RCF is not the way to go, just get a LC500 instead
@@seemslegit6203 then why are you here watching this? Second thoughts? C’mon man these kind of comments are getting so old. Each has their own style that fits different audiences. Yes $105k is a lot for a 3-door Lexus but they are already counting in collector hype and reliability in your price tag. We live in a different time then 3 decades ago.
@@MPowerSubie12 I mean honestly, the LC 500 is a different thing to this RC F TE. If money was no issue, it's gonna be LC for me as well, but I'm not planning on doing regular track days or pushing my car to the limit.
@@seemslegit6203C is different and not performance oriented and ready. It is a pure GT for the road. Pure F can take more abuse. And yes I have both and a GS F too so I can really tell.
@@seemslegit6203bmw 8-series>LC500
I just bought a 2015 RC F after years of wanting one, and these things are so amazing! Revving out this V8 (especially S+/Manual) never fails to make me giggle a little. It’s so good!
What was your OTD? I love ‘‘em but hot damn they’re expensive
A Japanese car with an authentic Japanese V8 is special. Get it while you still can! It would be nice if it had a manual too, or at least a dsg.
DSG will not last...
Japanese sports cars are the best heirlooms. Children in 2090 will receive this as a family treasure from their dynasty.
You HAVE to put these in sport + WITH manual mode to get the most out of it…
Those who are upset about the Supra for being a BMW, this is your car. It's heavy, more of a straight line powerhouse large 2+2 GT made in Japan like the original Supras.
Well,it's 2x the price in the process and slower so I'm pretty sure peeps will just buy a base but even that's more expensive than a mk5 by 10k also.
Except this is probably slower in a straight line 😂
@@papa_pt Except its literally better everywhere else, especially interior
Broke 0-60 fangirl clowns always coping
@@danielmiller9012 LOL yeah the 10 year old interior is a real highlight. What else? RC is a pig compared to Supra. A handling comparison wouldn't even be close
They're two very different cars. Lexus is more grand tourer than the Supra, which is more sports car and less livable as a daily.
Dumb jdm fans w more money than sense cope
I think the transmission must not have been fully warmed up. I've noticed in my own IS 500 that it's radically different once it is fully up to temp. Being in full manual mode is pretty much essential if you're trying to have fun, though, really. Glad you finally got to experience one of these. If you're ever in the ATL area I'd be glad to let you have a go in the IS.
How do you like your is500 in manual mode? I am considering one.
@schryvel manual mode is the way to go! I mean... it isn't quite as responsive as a ZF 8-speed, but it does shift gears very quickly. Honestly, it can be a bit jerky if you're not giving it full throttle in manual mode, so if you're just casually driving, auto mode is better.
Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to warm up the transmission.
@@FructozeProductions Seriously? I've always known that transmissions typically take even longer to get warm compared to engines.
@ARentz07 nah, but if you live in a cold climate it would probably take 2/3 times as long to warm up.
That induction sound is so much better than fake pumped in audio, and worth it right there!
Damn. I knew this car existed, however I tried finding its name but I was unable. Thanks Tedward for getting the content out and helping us to know the car!
Fastest RCF made and fastest Lexus currently sold to date....so much fun it grows on you. Great spec and video! Bought one as a track car :) Swap out those PS4Ss for CUP2s go wider and squared all around and rear seat delete with the TE/Fuji upgrades and enjoy! LFA brakes are so special along with the lighter weight components which really set them apart, so much more nimble around a track than all previous RCFs before them stock. Underrated for sure. Also remember only the TE/Fujis actually weigh lighter or at its german counterparts weight levels @Tedward
what size did you go up to? any spacers or trimming needed?
That engine will be way more reliable than any Porsche with little to no maintenance.
That's because people never push them nearly as hard as people do with porsches anyway,nor do they track them nearly as much as porsches at all.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976
V8 lexus are made to beat on and track 😊
Should have used manual mode and downshifted aggressively under braking. Downshift is important to keep the center of gravity static under hard braking as engine braking adds drag on the rear wheels using engine compression slowing the car naturally rather than shifting the CoG forward as it would under braking without engine braking. Being an RCF owner, the transmission is way more aggressive than how it appears in the video. Looks like it is in limp mode. Auto mode is not the right mode to use for the track. Auto mode is not meant for the track, but I think the engine was not properly warmed up, which is why it was not downshifting and rev matching. BTW, the dampers are the same as the other RCFs. No difference in the dampers or the springs.
Engine was warm. The car had just been driven on track and was running during my intro 😂. Also as I stated I left it in auto because this point of this drive was to show Lexus’s tuning.
@@TedwardDrives Other than the powertrain still in limp mode due to not being properly warm (it takes a long time for it to remove all nannies for longevity purposes) I have no other thing that would prevent rev-match downshifting as there is G-AI shift control, which essentially measures braking G-forces to aggressively downshift under hard braking. I have an RCF myself and though, I only use manual mode, it does aggressively downshift under braking even in auto mode if I ever use it.
@@2ZZGE100 Sadly, @Tedward, I have to confirm this. IS 500 owner, and I feel the same way. If I am in Sport S+ and giving it the beans, it will auto-downshift when I brake hard.
@@ARentz07 True. The transmission was in limp mode as it had not warmed up properly. It started to wake up half way through the lap. Once it is properly warmed up, it downshifts hard with rev matches under hard braking using what is called "G-AI shift control".
That's an excellent car to push hard all day on track, this version comes standard with 4 wheel carbon ceramics. Those seats keep you in position. One can disable stability/traction aids by holding tcs button down.
I would make 2 changes to it if I owned one:
Medium Compound Racing tires in the stock tire size
Stock sized carbon fiber wheels From Australian wheel manufacturer carbon revolution
(This would save about 20-25lbs of unsprung weight)
Maybe upgrade brake pads with Carbon Ceramic pads as well or maybe semi metallic to help cement the durability of those carbon ceramic discs.
This thing is sick. Love the vids, Tedward! Keep it up!
Man, I miss RA. I used to live 10 minutes from there and have been there dozens of times. I even did a motorcycle track day there once, but it got rained out late morning, so that was a bummer.
Underrated cars and brand.
It's always nice seeing my home state in videos of channels I actually watch a lot, I was born and raised in sheboygan and moved slightly up north of there and I go past road America a lot
The value prop for this as a track car might be hard to argue, but you can't deny that V8!!
Tires on it are PS4S and not not PSS. However, 100% agreed the RCF is grossly under-tired. RCF TE should have had Cup 2 on them. I have an RCF CF/TVD and had MPSS as OEM on it. An RCF TE with an owner who was not a pro, in traffic did a 7:48 around Nürburgring 100% stock with better tires. Was extremely disappointed in the load rating and sidewalls of the OEM tires. Switched them up with much more aggressive tires with higher load rating and it completely makes the car behave differently. Also, important to note, even a BMW M2 these days weighs between 3850 - 3900 lbs, which is roughly the same as an RCF/TE.
What tires in what sizes are you running, if I may ask?
@@Sebb747 I have high load rating PS4S tires. 96Y front and 100Y rear. They are OEM size of 255/275, but I put them side by side with my OEM PSS. They were 1/2 inch wider on the shoulders despite being the same 255/275 size. It feels like a big difference as the car feels light on its feet with strong inner/outer sidewalls
@@2ZZGE100 Thanks! Those are the same tires I plan to buy once my current ones are done for. It'll be interesting to see how much of a difference this makes :)
@@Sebb747 Yeah, the key difference is load rating. The OEM PS4S on the RCF are 92Y front and 96Y rear. Considering RCF weighs 3840 - 3950 lbs, they are not sufficient for the weight/inertia of the car. That is why I went with 96Y and 100Y that are rated for high performance sports cars weighing 4200+ lbs so they have way more capacity than the car can throw at them. Cheers!
awesome review! love your clear and quick explanations style :)
The RCF is such a blast to drive! I absolutely love mine but the Track Edition is just something else!
Tedward has all of the best toys.
That is awesome. To be able to drive on road America in such a car.
beautiful car, V8 5L, old school
i dont care if m3 or m4 being faster cars, cuz i prefer this one 💥 pure N/A V8, pure driving, pure fun.
love a good tedward upload
That vent on the hood reminds me of the Vent on my Evo VIII. Happy Memorial Day, Tedward.
I like these but would probably just get the normal RC-F. Thanks, Tedward!
I have rarely seen Ted less enthusiastic about a ride lol
The last true analog car
That’s a good looking car.
This car responds best via paddle shifters on a track. Get better tires amd lower control arm bushings. Once you have those, its a monster. Ive beaten many high performance cars at thunder Hill in this rcf. Even when it was 108°f. It absolutely dominated until the brake fluid boiled over.
You really need to use the paddles in manual mode. It’s the only way the car really comes alive and shows you what it’s made of.
DREAM CAR OMG
I love this car. What a dream
This is good. Make sure to come back to this review when you inevitably get a chance to drive the hopeful GR GT3/ Lexus LFR. I’m sure they just released this just because why not have a “sporty” offering when you already race in GT3
It is coming 2025! Insider info.
This is my favorite car. I really liked 👍
I did NOT expect to hear "2023" during the introduction to the car. That said, it made me realise... as much as it is of a 2010 looking ahh interior (outside of the seats) - I love it. It's still 10x better than having 10s of displays around. The blue accents on a black interior are phenomenal, they look so beautiful and classy yet sporty. Now, labelling it as a track edition is a bit of an overstatement imo, therefore I would love for it to have a leather or alcantara dashboard (I think it does not, right?), it would suit the car perfectly. And we definitely shouldn't talk about stock tire choice. Fun, short watch, wish we could see it in a regular review/presentation with some detailed body & under the hood showcase because that's where this car shines the most I think.
RCFはサスペンションがガチガチだから腰がやられる
でも走りはめちゃくちゃ良かった印象がある
ラグジュアリーブランドだから出ないだろうけど、やっぱMTが欲しいねぇ
Welcome to Wisconsin! Hope to get my Integra out there sometime for track day.
We want more Lexus!
This would make for a fun GT.
the transmission only stays fully locked up in manual mode. it’s kind of disappointing you didn’t bother using it in that mode, would likely be quicker because no parasitic slippage
Would like to see some more track pov vids 👌
If they perform I’ll definitely do more and on proper track days where I can set some times
@@TedwardDrives plz do more
Man I almost went to this. Maybe I'll go next year
Looks like a cool car and sounds great like every Toyota V8 but seems more like a GT vibe not a track car. I've never seen one of these in the flesh but I have seen the Emperor Vectre many times in GTA Online.
Everyone is complaining about how outdated and obsolete this car is…..but when everyone is running around in electric cars…silent and disconnected….this car will be a classic. N/A high revving V8s are “cool now”….imagine what they’ll be when there are no V8s left.
The interior is charming to me, I know it’s pretty aged compare to its competitors.
I'd easily take this over a more modern interior. This style is more my ideal, if still having a full tablet thing up top
Having an actual button for heated seats and heated steering wheel? What a concept!
I own an IS and honestly i don't think its that outdated, definitely not as outdated as the pre facelift audis and BMWs
I got this and I would call it a SUPER GT edition :-) Allways get LOWER LCA USRS bushing system by RR Racing to really improve braking and steering feel with no real negatives.
Man, I wish I had the same access this guy has; I'm able to fully extract all the performance out of a car like this on a track like that with every aid turned off in manual shift mode with no chance of wrecking. I've raced so much in my life and at almost age 30 I've reached my prime. I want access to race cars and all that stuff before I'm too old to have a shot at going pro in any league. To me it's so second nature but life has kept me so busy with personal matters that have prevented me from making it happen on my own thus far ($$$ is what it requires to break into this damn sport and my busyness with personal matters have also cost a lot of $)
You didn’t put it in trac mode it’s a separate button than the sport + knob .
Ahh...yes...the Younger cousin of the LFA 🔥🔥
I wish you drove it in manual transmission mode. I think you may have had a better downshifting experience.
I have. But really wanted to highlight its issues. It’s called a track edition. It should really be more track focused. Tires basically gave up half way through a chill lap and the transmission never knew how to cope with braking. …in 2023
@@TedwardDrives that is a fair point. Yes, the transmission in automatic mode has a lot to be desired. I am glad you drove it in manual mode too and I hope it was better.
And yes, the tires are no good. Thankfully that is an easy fix, where the transmission is what it is.
I have a IS500 and I am a bit biased 😉, but I do like the car. That said, I do enjoy driving it in manual mode more than automatic and I wish I had the cooling systems and breaks of the RC-F Track Edition.
Heavy ass boat
It's lighter than an M4...
@@ARentz07 And nowhere near the fun factor nor acceleration. Former IS 500 owner here that almost got an RCF, dependable nice cars but far too bulky feeling with bad transmissions.
@Color Commentary sorry to hear that. I'm still loving every minute of driving my IS 500 and don't know what I'll replace it with. Yeah, it's not a great transmission, but I like the theater when I'm on throttle and the smoothness when I'm not.
@@ARentz07 don't think it can really be compared to a M4 at all. They're heavy yes,but they handle well despite their weight and have more torque than the RCF track does with a efficient trans on par with it that throws that comparison out of the window.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 It is not meant as a direct comparson... I'm just saying, even a true M-car is heavier.
One thing to note is that the RC F's trans takes a while to fully warm up to temp(5-10 mins), it will limit rpms and go up as it warms up but for me even once it gest up to 7500, the manual/auto shifting won't be proper until perhaps 2-3 mins later.
The gravity assisted downshifts also happen more often in the auto mode than manual as more driver control is expected.
The car had just come off the track. Had been running for like 20 mins before i shot this. Unless restarting it reset a timer but it was warm as it could be
@@TedwardDrives I think that could have been the case, you mentioned during the vid that the trans was shifting better halfway throught the drive which is normally what happens if you drive it hard, it should get better and more responsive as it warms up.
Great vid regardless!
Matt Farah said the exact same thing, great engine, cost to much, to heavy and not that fun out the box. This double confirms. I still might buy one because I'm used to this kind of GT compromise in the Supra but understand its not mind blowing like an m2 comp or 911
Hard💪
man when this thing came out in 2015 it was outdated, theyve been doing these track editions and fuji but they just havent went all the way with the weight reduction and thats really what everyone wants out of these. i think its best to just buy a normal rc f (personally)
I’ve always thought the same. I got the life and interest to look more seriously at this as an interest and a hobby Nov, 24 of 2015. I honestly though it was due a refresh and just followed what people could get out of BRZ/86 for fun to price ratio. I also would do a virtual build from time to time and again I agree, there’s no real reason to get any special edition but to flex.
With Toyota, and Lexus by extension, winning LeMans 5 years in a row, I really hope they make more serious and dedicated sports cars from the knowledge they've gained and from their recent racing success. They need an entry level sports car in the $28k-$40k range, a middle entry in the $40k-$60k range, and a 911 fighter in the $60k-$85k range. While this RC is nice, it has no business costing this much. It's built on a handicapped platform that is approaching a decade old. I know Toyota can do better.
I mean they've quiet literally have the entry and mid range sportscars considering the 86 and mk5 exists. They just don't have a 911 killer.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 The 86 is a Subaru and the Mk5 is a BMW. Not what I call "serious and dedicated".
@@SibRevs don't think it matters tbh. Both cars do what they're made for and both cars do well in their segments,even if they're not fully toyo.
Ooh baby, I need one of these 😅
as someone who owns acura vehicles and a lexus...im trying to sort out why I wouldn't just buy a Mustang at that point for half the price. they all last 10 to 12 years in the northeast regardless
Es precioso este cochazo!
Have they tuned the engine differently from the RC F Sport or the IS 500? It sounds louder.
The Track Edition gets a titanium exhaust instead of the standard exhaust.
love the sound, but the daft 8 speed nukes the car IMO (same issue with the IS500 and old GSF) - gotta go LC500 for the 10 speeeeeeeeddd
RCF needs the 10speed trans from LC500
As an owner of a 17' RC-F "sport package" I cannot recommend anyone spend this kind of money on this car.... For $75k ish I have the carbon fiber roof, rear spoiler, TVD, and all of the other RC-F track oriented accessories. I then spent ~7k getting new BBS wheels, carbon fiber hood, tune, CAI, Air/Oil sep, new exhaust, etc. With all of that, I still saved $15-20k to spend elsewhere and at the end of the day, it's more or less the same car. The Lexus carbon fiber is superb and the interior is SLIGHTLY different, but all of that is not worth $30k from the "sport package" version. They've got to make it make sense.
Ted it doesnt need a sticker tire. Those PS4 + were great on my F90 M5 Comp. What this car needs is to drop 500lbs. at least.
They aren’t PS4. They are PSS. Ancient. Yes it’s heavy but not heavier than the new m2 which does great on a PS4S
Should have put it in manual mode so much better cheers.
I love the v8 and the sound of the car and of course the overall look of the car.
With that said, I think for the price it leaves a lot to desire. This car should be in the 80-90k range not 100k+. Tires need to be better and the transmission isn’t the best and of course a dated interior.
It’s still gonna be an awesome car but for the price the standard rc-f is better and you could save thousands for the same mods and still have way better performance.
Who takes a car to a track and doesn't put the transmission in manual mode?
Why doesn’t Lexus put their 10 speed automatics in the is500 and rcf?
It probably isn't designed to fit in these cars because they're on an older architecture than the LC.
Reminds me of a Japanese Dodge Charger. Shifts were REALLY slow, just meh for a track car. Tranny really held it back and it looked like a big barge going around the track
This engine would make the gr86 perfect.
❤
You shoul try other drive modes of transmission.
oil or trans temp prob wasnt up to temp, thats why it didnt downshift until later in the video
lol this car was out doing hot laps over and over and over again. It had just come in when I got it. It was warmed up.
@@TedwardDrives well, on a hot lap it should probably be in manual not auto 💀
beautiful car but how is it 2023 and lexus is still including a cd player in thieir infotainment system. Youd think they would update that
Hey bro, nice video as always, but i gotta ask where is the porsche its been like a year since we last saw it
Soon! All will be explained haha. Still have it.
@@TedwardDrives looking forward to it
Would love an IS500 but the tranny kills it for me. Shame. Car needs the ZF unit. Nice video!
Horrible trans
If you like the car, test drive it. Sure, the trans is a little dated, but if you like the car, you will enjoy driving it regardless.
4 months in with mine, and I still get a stupid smile on my face when I give it some gas. That 5.0-liter is everything!
@@LateNightDateNight I don't see how,been used in multiple cars and even high hp cars up to now and has done super well and even holds up well even past the limit of how much power they can handle.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 drive one in manual mode, every review you see on this transmission says it’s the number one thing holding these vehicles back.
jfc so there is no memory for the seat settings and an electrically adjustable steering wheel? Well, even the Lexus is going downhill
Isn't this an old car?
This is going to be a super fun street car, not so much a track car. I love it, but that center console stack is brutally dated.
The track edition comes with carbon ceramic brakes
closest I'll ever get to owning a lexus
Personally, I feel like they missed the mark with this one. Calling it a “Track Edition” should’ve gave them an opportunity to just strip the car to make it much lighter. Calling it that and it still weighs as much as a modern sedan while being a track focused coupe isn’t good. All Lexus did was marginal improvements and charged $30k more over the regular RCF. Brand new, it cost $5k more than the LC500 and let’s be honest, that car is more desirable than this. Originally making this platform as a nice daily cruiser coupe isn’t helping when it comes to turning it into a performance car, two completely different styles of driving. In my opinion, they would have to restart from scratch to actually do what they want to do with this car.
If only they offered these with a manual transmission
i would take this over ANY other sport car out there, ANY... well... not any... the GT3 RS... damn...
I'm sure that if I deny my health and only eat cup noodles for the next 6 years I'll be able to afford one, one day.
Buy a Miata and eat sushi
oh boy, how can you drive this car in D! work those paddles and put it in manual!
To demonstrate the transmission tune on their track car
@@TedwardDrives okey, i understand
nerd grey?
Bro... You HAVE to have it in manual mode.
Bro. The point is to show how badly the car is tuned. Bro....
I love this car regardless of it not being class leading, I just love Lexus V8 cars and quality, but the price is way to high
I'll take one with a manual... Oh! Wait is auto only nevermind.
Quintessential example of mediocre trans ruins great drivetrain. Driven one of these, and like the other poorly implemented laggy autos that somehow made it into performance cars (looking at you, C7 A8) it absolutely kills the car for me. Would rather have a manual option, DCT, or something like the new ZFs in the g80/82. Until Lexus gets it figured out, it’s off the table. Shame because some of their cars like this are BEAUTIFUL.
Is that real engine noise? Sounds like a PlayStation game.
Lexus doesn’t strike me as luxury anymore. At least for the interiors
Put it in manual!!!
I love Lexus true Fs, but they're pretty aged as far as powerplant and transmission goes. Plus, they have low torque for a 5.0 engine.