Panel Upgrade II - Everything I couldn't tell you before...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2022
- Part II of this video tells the rest of the story - the things I was not allowed to talk about until AirVenture 2022, where Aspen Avionics announced the development (in partnership with Garmin) of a digital interface between the Aspen Evolution flight displays and Garmin's GFC 600 autopilot. My airplane (the Bonanza, N70TB) is the testbed for development and certification of this new interface, and it will unlock important features like altitude preselect and IAS preselect between the Aspen PFD and the Garmin autopilot. See all the details in this video.
Errata: At 24:10 in this video, the caption says Max Unruh works for Aspen Avionics. That was an oversight; Max of course works for Garmin (as is evident by the Garmin shirt he is wearing).
Special thanks to Karl, Kayla, Matt, and Kenny at Gardner Lowe Aviation Services. www.gardneravs.com
Special thanks to Max, Joey and Kyle at Garmin. www.garmin.com/en-US/c/aviation/
Special thanks to Perri and Scott at Aspen Avionics. aspenavionics.com
And special thanks to Lift Aviation for providing a setting to record during AirVenture 2022. liftaviationusa.com/
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You were a fortunate blessed pilot to get all of this work done that essentially brings your plane up tp a brand new plane!
Yes, I feel very fortunate to fly behind such a capable avionics panel.
- Martin
What an amazing transformation! I look forward to seeing it in action. As always thanks for sharing the videos with us all.
Thanks, Kevin. I can't wait to start flying behind the new panel.
- Martin
I really look forward to seeing you fly a mission with the new panel and see everything in action. This is certainly an amazing journey you and your Bonanza are on!
Thanks, David. Yes, I'm beyond excited - getting to know this new panel and all the new equipment will be a lot of fun.
- Martin
Well that explains all the flying around in circles I've been seeing your airplane do on flight tracker. Congratulations Martin that is is awesome upgrade, panel looks great. Can't wait to see it in action.
Thanks, Mike - I can't wait either! 😁
- Martin
WOW!!!! The only thing left is a FADEC engine and auto-throttle. That would be like the 777 I flew before I retired. What is hard for the younger generation to understand is how far avionics have come since I started flying in 1966. The Military aircraft i learned to fly in had no flight instruments and a wet compass. It also had no navigation radios. Enjoy your new setup and explore many new places.
FADEC and auto-throttle - who knows, maybe one day we'll get there.
- Martin
Great video. Very informative. Your new panel looks sweet! Can't wait to see videos of it in action.
Thanks, Ryley - I'm super excited to get the plane back and learn all about the new equipment.
- Martin
I sure hope the certification will take place soon. Exciting to see such a huge upgrade and will be fun to see you demo for your followers. Thanks for sharing.
I hope so, too, Ken.
- Martin
Wow, Martin...what a great looking panel! And what a fun story about how it came about. Looking forward to seeing it in action. Merry Christmas.
Thanks, Mike - Merry Christmas to you, too, and all the best for 2023.
- Martin
I am not a pilot but I am amazed by the new technology that goes into GA aircraft. I guess it’s going to make life a little easier for you on your trips. Enjoy and safe travels.
Thanks - yes, this level of automation will make cross country flights and instrument approaches much easier. I can't wait to get started!
- Martin
Man! Martin, that is just amazing and how great to be the testbed for the release. Can't wait to see the first flight video.
Thanks, Preston. I'm anxious to see for myself how it turned out and how it all works!
- Martin
Grey is always easy on the eyes with white pointers for any remaining steam gauges. Our 717's have 5 identical Honeywell MFDs any of which can serve as PFDs or HSIs or engine or systems. Some liked the old beige for a bit of warmth, and then there was the old pale green of Douglas on DC-9 and early MD-80's. Main thing is nothing distracting like wood panels don't work, etc.
I agree!
- Martin
Pretty awesome stuff! Hopefully you'll enjoy many years of great flying with that equipment!
Thanks - I hope so, too!
- Martin
Scott Smith from Aspen is great!
how exciting to see progress in the making...to see a one of a kind ground breaking bonanza-set-up emerge from this team effort. ....pretty cool
Thanks, Rusty!
- Martin
Congratulations on your new panel Martin always beautiful videos. Can’t hide my disappointment though I was wishing for a G3X sounded like the perfect match for the navigators and G500 autopilot along.
Good video Martin! Very good to see a little behind the scenes of a good avionics shop. I do hope the FAA gets the signature on the STC quickly.
I hope so, too, Chuck. Fingers crossed.
- Martin
Great stuff Martin! Love how they cut your new panel with a CNC. Makes a lot of sense. Hope it’s signed off and blessed soon. All the best!
Right - that CNC machine is quite something!
- Martin
Wow, cant wait to see the video with you flying with it and your feedback of the upgrade whilst actually flying it.
Me neither, Steffen. I am excited!
- Martin
The most important thing in this whole process is that you love it and it makes you happy!! Your opinion is by far the only one that matters here. IMHO, I really like it too!! Congrats Martin, can't wait for the demo, that I'm pretty sure is coming. 8) --gary
Thanks, Gary! I can't wait to get it back and show everyone how it works!
- Martin
Garmin talking to Garmin is a very good platform. I hope your upgrade works out. Love your videos.
Not A Pilot. But love aviation! And as excited as you ,Martin, to see the 70TB in the air with all the new avionics! Learning the jargon too! Wishing you happy winging...
Thank you 😎
Great people... Lots of special work, that needs to be done.
Looks amazing. As an Avidyne user I hate to see the IFDs go but totally get the overall connectivity.
This is amazing, Martin. I always kind of worry about being on the bleeding edge, but I'm sure that Gardner-Lowe is doing top-notch work with both Garmin and Aspen. I hope the FAA gets their thumb out and hurries up in getting the stuff signed off so you can go pick the airplane up.
As for the length of time that someone else mentioned, yeah Beech may have built in a fraction of the time, but they weren't designing a completely new avionics system. Back in '78, you might have two NavComs, a Mode C transponder and an audio panel. On a really upscale airplane, you might have an ADF and an autopilot. None of those avionics really talked to one another, except for the autopilot. So, working out an entirely new digital interface for multiple different manufacturers is not something you just throw in over night. You'd have the airplane back by now if the FAA wasn't dragging their feet, I suspect. So, don't worry about the naysayers.
I mean, with this new autopilot, you should be able to program everything into the GTN-750s, take off, climb through 2,500', turn on the autopilot and the next thing will be on short final at minimums to turn it off.
Anyway, this is really nice, Martin.
Thanks, Gary. And you are correct regarding the distinction between building a production airplane in the factory vs. developing and certifying something new - completely different tasks.
- Martin
Martin…awesome update! I envy your panel! I’m sorry you still have to wait for your airplane but I’m sure it will be worth it. Your going to really like the Aspen 2500 system as I have it in my Cherokee 180…I really like i as it also integrates with my IFD540t! Now I may have to look at replacing my Century II AP with that GFC 600 AP once the FAA signs off on it! 🙂
Thanks, Don. I can't wait to get the plane back!
- Martin
Great looking panel Martin. Congrats!
Thank you, Bryan.
- Martin
Really enjoyed this. Looks wonderful.
Thank you, Kevin. I can't wait to fly behind the new panel!
- Martin
Great insight into what a project of replacing a panel should be.
Thanks, Steve.
- Martin
@ Martin Pauly oh baby that new panel is going to look Incredibly awesome and epic I can’t wait to see your panel
You and me both, Elena! 👍
- Martin
Very cool. Can’t wait to see the new avionics in action
I'm dying to see it myself, Philip. So far I've only seen a picture of the finished cockpit.
- Martin
First, I'm sorry I wasn't able find you at Oshkosh to say hello from a (former) fellow Cedar Rapids person. I was having knee problems, and was limited on the amount of walking I could do. Thank the Good Lord, my knee is so much better now! Second, I am so jealous of your massive upgrade, but very happy for you! Of course all the electronics are dazzling, but the leather yoke and center plate were a beautiful touch! Hopefully, you'll get the airplane back soon. Maybe next year, we'll get to meet.... Fly safe, and keep the wonderful videos coming. Rick in Tucson.
Hi Rick (and all this time I thought your name was Charlie...),
Thanks for the note. I agree, the yoke looks so nice wrapped in leather with the new cover. The old one would have been an eyesore in front of the brand-new textured gray panel.
New videos... I'm kind of stuck without the Bonanza, but I'll do what I can.
- Martin
Great video as usual. Your situation is similar to mine. Last year I had installed in my B55 a PRO MAX EFD 1000 and a GFC600, expecting a world class autopilot combination but was shocked to discover, among other items there was no altitude pre select capability. Guess my research was inadequate. Nice to know there is a fix in the works. My current combination actually works pretty well but my C182’s G5/GFC500 is superior. (Even worse: my swimming pool is not deep enough for my yacht 😢)
Hi Robert, I can't help with your pool and yacht, but yes - once everything is approved, you will be able to add a digital ARINC 429 interface between the Aspen MAX and the GFC600 in your Baron. It will give you all those things: altitude preselect, IAS preselect, and maybe most importantly native GPSS (as opposed to using the Aspen to switch between heading mode and GPSS).
- Martin
Martin, I'm sure it'll be an awesome system, but I'm sad to see you leaving the Avidyne family! I'm an IFD guy(long before you did your IFD), I love my IFD440 and IFD100, watching your videos was more interesting and fun because of this. I'll miss you and 310 Pilot flying behind Avidyne IFD's! 😢
Hi Gary. Leaving the IFDs was bittersweet. I really like their user interface and have gotten very comfortable with the over the last three years. At the same time, I'm always excited to learn something new, so getting to that same comfort level with the GTNs should be fun (and will hopefully benefit my instrument students, many of which have GTNs). And as I mentioned in the video, to ensure 100%, no-compromise compatibility between a GPS/NAV/COM and the GFC600 autopilot, I think the GTN was a prudent choice for me.
- Martin
Would love to see you give a full tutorial on the ground and then see the AP in action. Panel looks great congratulations!
Thanks, Brian
- Martin
Good idea going for the Aspen. I had the G-600 and it was great when it worked. However, if you have any problem, I had the magnetic compass have a software glitch, you are stuck going to a specialty shop and they didn't fix the problem right away. Which meant going back and the plane was down for over a month! And at the time, I think they changed it now, you were flying around with a bunch of big red x's. With the Aspen you could put the old instruments back in and send just the unit out.
I wondered where you have been all this time. Now we know LOL Can't wait to see a video soon on your new toys.
Oh, Jaarsma are still putting out those Tasty Treats....:):) I go there quite often. (The one in Oskaloosa) KPEA is near as you well know.
Thanks!!!
The only people MORE ANXIOUS THAN ME for the return of N70TB are probably the tower controllers in Cedar Rapids. No Bonanza means no treats from Jaarsma. 😀
- Martin
Hey Martin, very impressive panel refit. Congratulations on leading the way with the certification, that's a brave move and I wish you the very best of luck with all parties sticking to budget and time estimates! Coincidentally, I'm in the process of refitting my 1965 PA24-260 Comanche with Aspen screens too, but a somewhat less ambitious arrangement with only two screens, coupled to the existing STEC30 autopilot and Garmin GTN650. Should just about double the value of the aircraft, ... or more accurately cost about 50% of its value.....!!
Oh and PS, great video production quality.
Thanks for the kind feedback, and best of luck for finishing your upgrade!
- Martin
Good summary Martin….it’s a long journey but it will be worth it in the end. I hope the FAA gets it all sorted out before you need another annual 😉
I hope they won't delay it THAT long, Andy... 🤣
- Martin
Hurry up FAA! Looks like a brilliant setup Martin!
Thanks, Philip - I can't wait to start flying behind it 👍
- Martin
Thanks for the update and the surprise! The Aspen and Garmin integration is really good for the GA fleet. Can't wait to see how you use the 4 MFDs! On a side note - do you think you could slip in the 100 unleaded approval along with your STC? Safe flights.
George probably doesn't have much sympathy given that my wait time is measured in months, not years... 🤣
- Martin
Hey there, kind of random, but I was doing a cross country today (9/2) in N547CA where I stopped at Cedar Rapids, I heard someone in a cirrus who made two circles in the downwind for traffic, it sounded exactly like you and I’m pretty sure it was, I was the one holding short as you came in for a full stop…
Yes, I was in the right seat of that Cirrus. It was the end of a flight review. We felt sorry for you because Tower kept you waiting on the ground in the hot weather first for two jets on 9 and then for us. We could see you had the door open, hopefully the breeze helped a bit.
Anyways, another example of how social media connects people. I hope you had a nice flight this evening.
- Martin
Had same renewal by Karl, Matt and team last fall in my T210…BUT I chose all Garmin.
G3X 10.6 “, G5, GTN 750xi, GFC 500, G3 X 7” w engine monitor.
Had 5 different mfgrs in older lovely panel. Now all Garmin speaking same talk .
Best wishes no hope you’re not AOG too much longer.
Don Bohannon
KCCO
T210n
Thanks, Don.
- Martin
You will really like Telligence; I've found it works well. My yoke was wired with an Otto T5 (multi-directional switch) for freq and com swaps and it's not really needed along with Telligence. I do like the T5 for ATC playback...
I look forward to seeing those voice commands in action. I have only seen them once before on a friend's plane, and yes, they seemed to work well.
- Martin
Can’t wait to see your new panel Martin
You and me both, Michael! 👍
- Martin
Great video Martin. 10 out of 10 with your thoughts about positioning the AP controller.
Thanks, Rod. There was never a question in my mind that it would have to be in the center under the glareshield.
- Martin
Wanna see the ride home......and more with the new panel....Takes time to get the hang of new stuff....
Great looking panel Martin. Congrats.
Thank you, Al.
- Martin
@@martinpauly I fly a bonanza with the old kfc200 autopilot. I’ll be interested to see how your 600 will do. Especially because it will be tied into the Aspen. I have a G500 in the plane.
@@albriseno2428 I will have many videos coming once I have the plane back, showing how everything works, Al.
- Martin
@@martinpauly great. Looking forward to seeing them.
Great video Martin
Martin, I really enjoyed your video! So excited that Garmin has taken this step to support interoperability and provide more options for GA! I have an Aspen Pro Max and love it! When I was upgrading from my Century IIIc in my 1979 PA-32-300 I looked seriously at the GFC 600 and the STEC 3100 as my top two autopilots and went with the STEC 3100 due to the full digital integration with the Aspen. If you would like to make a video comparing the STEC 3100 integration with the Aspen compared with the GFC 600 integration with the Aspen, I would enjoy working with you on it!
Thanks, Cannon. How is the 3100 working for you? I've spoken with so many people who had problems getting it to work right; hopefully you are one of the lucky ones.
- Martin
@@martinpauly My STEC 3100 has been working well. I love the integration with my Aspen.
................Love the production here Martin. Look forward to seeing you 0TB SOON !!
I can't wait to have her back and show her off, Bob!
- Martin
@@martinpauly All these months have to be taking a toll on ya. Not long now I would imagine
Martin, great video. Was most interested to me is the process, amassing. Curious, I'm assuming you gained on useful load, do you know how much gain you got? Thanks again for producing such great content. Will admit I did watch it a second time. Charlie
Thanks, Charlie. To my surprise, the W&B I got from Gardner Lowe shows a minimal increase in weight. I suspect this is not real - they actually weighed the airplane, likely for the first time since it left the factory in 1978. All prior changes were done on paper, by adding and subtracting weights of equipment installed and removed, respectively.
- Martin
It looks awesome, Martin. It blew me away when I saw you were going to the GTN750 Xi. My only question is since you went Garmin all the way why didn’t you opt for the G600TXi?
I can’t wait to see you flying it.
Just for clarification, there was no criticism intended in my question. The 600TXi seemed like the obvious choice, but you are one of the smartest guys I know, so there had to be a damned good reason for the Aspens. I’m interested in that reason.
Martin, part of the fun was to experience the development phase of something new. And on a side note, I do like the fact that Garmin is cracking the door open a little bit towards making their equipment more compatible with other manufacturers, and I'm happy to be a part of that.
- Martin
Hi There Martin !
First and Foremost
! ! ! CONGRATULATIONS ! ! !
For The Hole Package: A Brand New AP and System, As Well As This Big and Awesome Project !
No Doubt This is a Landmark For General Aviation Besides Being a Virtuous Circle, Wich Allows The Creation and/or Maintenance of Contless Jobs, Products, Softwares, Hardwares, Tools, “Pastries”
(Yes “Pastries” For The Chilling Out Moments of All The Women and Men Involved in The Process - Like “Sweet Teeth Operation” ), Etc., Etc. .
Once Again Martin
! ! ! CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE ! ! !
Looking Forward For The Next “Bulletin” !
Many Thanks !
Best Regards !
Ed
Thank you, Ed. I can't wait to get the Bonanza back, so I can show everyone how the new panel works.
- Martin
Its a shame you had to lose the IFDs. I have the IFD 540 with 2 G5s and a GFC500 and they play very well together. Enjoy the new panel and fly safe.
Thanks, Adam.
- Martin
How to pick your instruments for panel upgrade? "Look at the whole board." Hoping you get that signature quickly!
Thanks, Michael - I hope that, too!
- Martin
I have had two RSM failures in the last 50 hrs. I have lost all confidence in my recently installed 2000 max system. When the RSM fails your auto pilot is also out. I hope you have better luck!
I hope so, too. We'll see.
- Martin
Looking good, Martin👍🏼. We’re putting the GFC 600 in our Baron / 2000 MAX Aspen / Duel Garmin 650xi. Did I miss it or are they going to be able to display your Flight Modes across the top of your Aspen PFD? Our autopilot control head is going above our Aspen 2000 MAX display. Anyhow, congratulations👍🏼👏🏼. Super happy for you!
Hi Gary. The Aspen will not (at this time, at least) show the autopilot modes, so you need a separate Garmin mode annunciator. You can see that in my panel, above the Aspen.
Maybe sometime in the future this will be added...
- Martin
@@martinpauly Okay👍🏼. Thank you. I believe since our auto pilot control head (which has the modes annunciated within it) is going to be just above our PFD (within 5” to 7” of the attitude display center point), we will not need the additional FMA Annunciator panel. Fingers crossed on this one. I guess if we end up needing it, it’s okay👍🏼.
@@garyscholder2463 Good point - yes, if the control panel is in the primary field of view, then you don't need a separate annunciator.
- Martin
Martin - love the detail and you explaining your thought process! Great video. My question is .... how much? Would love to know the unit costs and installation. Aside from your arrangement with Aspen and Garmin to assist, what would the normal costs be and what is your thoughts about how it affects the overall value of your beautiful Bonanza.
Hard to answer precisely, as prices keep changing (especially true this year) and each airplane starts from a different point. Having said that, this installation was on the expensive side of the possible range, with all-new wiring, and all-new panel, and no less than four servos to install for the autopilot. If you look at the equipment price (each manufacturer publishes that), plan to add 40-50K for installation and the new panel, and that should give you a rough estimate.
- Martin
Any idea what it costs to make the new panel (the steel plate itself) ? Curious since they didn’t want to make one until they make a test one on plastic first.
Wow, that is some upgrade. Does Garmin need to hold on to the airplane until the TSO is signed by the FAA? - I am assuming all the testing is completed. In other words, can the interface/autopilot be temporarily disabled (obviously no autopilot) so that you can fly it home and continue flying it and then have it re-enabled once the paperwork is signed?
So Martin. Glad to see you be the test bed for the Garmin AP integration with Aspens. Any sense if the 500 series will have the same certification with the Aspen? There are a lot of us there with Aspens, GTNs and brand X autopilots.
My understanding is this works only with the GFC600. Intuitively it makes sense in that the GFC500 product is really just a control panel and some servos, with the actual autopilot "brain" in a separate Garmin display. So it couldn't quite work the same way with the Aspen.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Thanks for the reply. I think the 600 has some other higher end capabilities than the 500. It was surprising to see they went for the 600 and not the 500 which has a much bigger install base potential. There are a number of Aspens out there in planes where the 600 won’t work.
BTW - you’ll love the Aspens. I have flown behind mine since 2012. Let us know how you find the GTNs over the Avidyne’s. I have flown with my GTN since the Aspen installation. I like the integration with my Garmin Pilot, especially for database concierge using the 510. But those IFD users are a dedicated bunch. Good luck.
As a Lance owner with an Aspen PFD and doing a GTN 650 upgrade, I'm very excited to hear that Smart Glide will be available if I eventually swap my Century IIIC for a Garmin 600.
Yes, that'll be a great safety feature to have in your Lance.
- Martin
Understanding that this video is a couple of years old, now, I still want to ask about your selection criteria that led to selecting the Aspen PFD/EFIS instead of the Garmin GX3 or Garmin 500. Can you elaborate on this in a reply? I'll be facing the same decisions soon and could use your experience and help.
Many thanks for all the truly excellent equipment and real-world videos, some of the very best on 'Tube.
Martin I always enjoy your vids. I realize that you have made your aircraft available as a test bed for this integration but what benefits would someone installing a complete panel upgrade have by choosing the Aspen over the G3X?
Dennis, for an all-new from-scratch panel, I bet most people will probably choose a G500TXi of G3X as their flight display - even though in terms of redundancy, the Aspen 2500 system does have the upper hand. I believe the real target market for this new interface is people who are looking for a new, modern autopilot without redoing their whole panel - maybe even people who already own an Aspen but have an old, worn autopilot that needs replacement. For those people, this new interface will be very valuable.
- Martin
@@martinpauly thank you. Agreed
Soooo.... the only reason you went with Aspen is because of the great deal they gave you for doing a GFC600 and Aspen so they could get it FAA certification.
Still I think it would have been a dream system with a G3X, GTN, GFC500 with a backup G5 or GI275 ... adding a GEA24 and removing JPI would have put all the system messages on to the G3X including any engine issues.
Now that you have 4 MFDs - I'll be interested to see how you use them, especially on an IFR flight (the geo synch chart on the right next to the PFD is ideal for me). Also, what are you going to do with your 5th "MFD" - Foreflight / iPad (just use it to file flight plans)? Won't it block the view the other 4 MFDs (haha). Are you going to get the charts for both the Garmin and Aspen equipment? You have a few choices for the chart subscriptions (also awaiting your Jepp review). Safe Flights.
Good questions, Walter. This is a lot more screen real estate that I am used to, and it will take some time and experimenting to optimize its use. I don't know if this means I'll se the iPad less in the cockpit than I have so far; my guess is I'll keep it because its size and high resolution still make it pretty nice to display approach charts. But the GTN750Xi also has a very high-resolution screen, so maybe I'll change my mind. Time will tell.
On the Aspens, I'm thinking a PFD and an ND for two of the screens (obvious choice), and maybe a traffic screen and flight timers on the third.
- Martin
Your earlier videos on the Avidyne IFD series were fairly compelling. I assume that the GTN's were mandated by the A/P choice? Could the A/P install have functioned with the IFD's in? Will look forward hopefully to some comparative analysis between the systems, especially any thoughtful criticisms of the IFDs. I imagine the difference in going through the Aspen's for interface will be substantial as well. Still, hoping to hear that you like the 750s nearly as much or better!
I know there are some airplanes with a Garmin autopilot and Avidyne IFDs. People sometimes argue about whether those are in compliance with installation instructions. Garmin's manuals don't list the IFDs as approved; but then the GNS 430 and 530 *are* approved, and the IFDs are drop-in replacements. Still, occasionally you can read in online forums about things not working 100% in this combination. I wanted to rule out any such possibility, and went with the GTNs instead.
- Martin
@@martinpauly well, once the 'wow' of the new setup is run through on the channel, would love to hear your +/- on the IFD v. GTNs.
@@pnzrldr I agree, Scott - that'll be a good topic for a video.
Ein sehr schönes Panel. Bin auf viele neue Videos gespannt, wenn die FAA alles geprüft hat. Besonders das Kennzeichen aus Baden -Baden weckt Vertrauen 😉
Vielen Dank! Noch habe ich den Flieger nicht zurück; ich hoffe, es dauert nicht mehr allzu lange.
- Martin
@@martinpauly ich drücke dir die Daumen!
@@michaelw.9013 Danke 😁
G,day Martin from Sydney Australia.
Nice upgrade to 70TB and I hope that the administration between the regulator FAA and the avionics manufacturer is concluded soon. So we can "drop the bottle and pull the trottle."
AUTO PILOT
Did the wings come off, for the installation of the servo motors and connecting rods, or just the aluminium in that area?
In closing, nice yoke: I like the look of the thumb rests.
Looking forward to: "N70TB your clear for takeoff, climb and maintain 2000 expect 9"
🌏🇦🇺
Hi John, the wings did not have to come off for this installation. The servos are all installed in the fuselage and connect to the flight control cables.
Regards,
Martin
It’s been a long journey but you’re almost home, hang in there Martin the payoff will be huge.
I know!
- Martin
What are the advantages of the GFC600 over the 500 that tilted you in that direction? Thanks. Jeff in SC.
I've addressed that in an earlier video. Look for the 17:12 time here:
th-cam.com/video/-esXjUw20rs/w-d-xo.html
- Martin
That panel looks great. I hope FAA steps up and gets this settled for you soon.
I hope so, Bryan. They must have above-average workload; normally this should not take anywhere near this long.
- Martin
How much would this panel upgrade cost for the average Joe? It seems to me it might be more then half the value of the plane. I would like to get this for my Saratoga but it may be a bit of a reach. Looks great! Happy flights!
Robin, the pricing for all the devices an be found on the manufacturers' websites, so you can add up the exact items for your dream panel. For installation, it's a bit dependent on the shop and on what your aircraft currently looks like, but with a four-servo autopilot (like mine), somewhere between $40K and $50K just for installation labor and materials (including cutting a new instrument panel) probably puts you in the ballpark.
Regards,
Martin
you sure have out a lot of effort into this A 36. bet you are doing this due fact you like complex project work. Bet this latest project is in the 100-125 K range at least. Past Aerostar private pilot now retired love your channel. Christopher Ottawa Canada
Thanks, Christopher. Your guess for the price range isn't bad.
- Martin
@@martinpauly just watched yourtwinengine training part 2 video once you go twin engine hard to go back my first was twin Camacho, twin Senica 1 and 2, then piper Aero star 600A non turbo flight plan220 ntk 8000 ft. The best test is which foot requires all the pressure this tells you right away which engine is out the Aerstar gear flaps up climbs 500 ftm at VMc. Christopher Ottawa canada
WOW!!! If you're gonna get a burger ... GET A BURGER! And it certainly looks like you're doing it. Cheers, Chuck (NE Florida) : + )
Wow. I saw my comment from the earlier video right under one you highlighted. That was strange for me.
You are famous now, Jeff! 👍
- Martin
I am officially excited. I want to keep my aspen when I do the autopilot! great news!
And now you can do just that 👍
- Martin
@@martinpauly do you have the aoa and the synthetic vision on your aspen?
Maybe I missed it. What exactly does the go around button do?
Hey Bryan - "TOGA" turns the autopilot into pitch and bank mode, and commands wings level and a pitch attitude supportive of take-off or the very initial phase of a go-around (7 degrees up in m A36, I believe). It provides flight director guidance to help with the transition from final approach to missed approach, or (in case of the GFC600) can fly a this transition completely coupled.
- Martin
Hi Martin: would be curious to hear if the new systems affected the empty weight or the CG moment.
Hard to tell, Dick. On paper, the empty weight has increased by a few pounds. I refuse to believe that. This was the first time the airplane has been weighed in a long, long time - maybe since it left the factory. All the additions and subtractions have left rounding errors, and maybe mistakes, too. Meaning that at the end of the day I cannot really say how weight and CG have been affected.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Thank you, Martin!
Martin, will you have your avidyne ifd 540 up for sale, engine monitor if not going back in, etc, so i would be interested in some of these if possible. I fly out of the landings, 82is in Huntley, not to far away from Iowa. Thx
Sorry, Mike - the IFDs are long gone, and I'm keeping the JPI EDM930.
- Martin
Congratulations on all your gadgets. Not sure I would want that much technology.
Understood, Matt. We all get to choose how much or how little technology we put in our airplanes.
- Martin
@@martinpauly for sure. Enjoy
@@martinpauly I had to teach my CFII how to fly an NDB approach
@@mattbasford6299 I can believe that! In full disclosure, I flew *my* last NDB approach in 1998 during my instrument practical test. This was in an airplane without an RMI, without even an HSI or slaved DG. Its DG drifted badly. And it was on a bumpy day. After arriving at the MAP (via timing the final segment), I couldn't see the airport - it was way off to the side. The examiner said "I'm not sure what is wrong here, but I was watching the instruments and what you were doing, and you did everything right". I vowed to never fly an NDB approach in actual weather, and thanks to GPS and WAAS, I have not had a need to do that. I believe an RMI with a slaved compass card would make this much, much easier and more practical. But overall, flying an NDB approach has become a lost art - and I'm including myself in that statement.
- Martin
@@martinpauly our DG on our club's 172 has some precession issues. I just have to check it any time I'm in level flight. An NDB approach will get you closer to the crash site.
What did you do with the Avidyne IFD440?
I sold it.
GFC600 A36 here. I love mine! It disengaged only once in 250hrs. (knock on wood)
Why you chose the ASPEN over an G500TXi? I thought it might be smart to have everything from one manufacturer, so they can’t blame each other… SO I went all Garmin. And my shop is a GARMIN dealer.
Of course downside is your dependent to one company. But with all other stuff you’re tied to Garmin anyway.
Hi Timm, since this was part of a new development and certification program, the Aspen system was a requirement from the get go. Having said that, I applaud Garmin for creating more compatibility with third-party avionics, and I was happy to be a part of this adventure.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Ok, so is it price or redundancy that draws you to the Aspen?
Are Aspen and/or Garmin funding the project in return for your plane being the STC platform? What's the benefit of the three Aspen displays over a single Garmin display?
The equipment and installation were not free (I wish!), but one big plus I'm getting out it is the fact that experts from both Aspen and Garmin went over my installation with a fine-toothed comb, optimizing the configuration and setup to an extend no avionics shop could ever accomplish. And with loaning my airplane to the cause, I am helping create and certify something new which I hope will help many other airplane owners in the future.
- Martin
Martin, I loved this video and all of the explanations that went with it. However, I feel like it wasn't complete because you did not go into the reasons for the Aspen PFD/MFD. You stated in the video that the Avidyne was replaced in order to get an overall semblance of units working together. Yet the Aspen and Garmin units didn't work together. That is 180 degrees from what you said the reason was for dumping the Avidyne units. If you had a deal with Aspen to get a free or deeply discounted unit in exchange for them using your plane as a test-bed, that's fine. It's certainly understandable. But if you did have that, I didn't hear you tell that story - especially when a G500 or G600 would have interfaced with the GFC600 seamlessly. It made no sense to use Aspen when Garmin already had the solution available to you. I'm not trying to call you out on anything - I'm just curious why you used Aspen when it didn't work with your new Garmin GFC 600, and a new software program had to be developed for it to work properly. Thanks for all that you do in the aviation community, and I do really like your videos. This one just left me with more questions than answers.
Great questions, David. You are right that going all-Garmin would have been easier, and probably much faster as well. But when I learned that Garmin and Aspen were looking for a testbed for their collaboration, I was very interested. Here's why: The insights into development and certification I got during the process have allowed me to learn a lot of things I only knew vaguely before. The path takes much longer, but there is some interesting discovery at each corner. And yes, sometimes there can be frustrating discovery as well, but those still create learning opportunities.
I also take comfort in the fact that once the project is done, the absolute best engineering experts for the Aspen PFD and Garmin's GFC600 have looked over my installation with a fine-toothed comb, and in terms of setup and configuration I should expect that my install will be optimized and checked to a point that no avionics shop is capable of doing - in other words: perfect. That alone might be worth the price of admission.
And finally, I applaud Garmin for cracking the door open a little bit towards working with other avionics companies and creating compatibility with other equipment. That is good for all of us, and I am very happy to be part of that.
So, all of the above led me to where I am: with an Aspen Evolution 2500 in an otherwise mostly Garmin cockpit (except the JPI EDM930 engine monitor).
Regards,
Marti
Hope we can get some feedback after he uses them and in IMC conditions too. I think aspen is cool for the vertical look but integration is important although I would probably prefer Garmin displays. If the products were provided as a sample at no charge, that is a pretty good deal. There was another Bonanza plane Garmin did up completely too at Oshkosh.
Martin I know it’s too late but future what about an HF radio for trips to Europe or even Hawaii if you wanted too
I like where you're going with this, Vince... 😁
- Martin
@@martinpauly HF radios are also good for weekend trips to Greenland or Norway. But you should seriously consider it as it’s and extra communication pice
Can the aspens system work with the G500 auto pilot too?
No, this interface will require a GFC600. The GFC500 is really just a control panel and servos, and it relies on a Garmin display to serve as the autopilot computer.
- Martin
While waiting can’t you fly your plane with the AP inop? Not ideal but at least you can fly your plane and then bring it back to get the AP sign off.
That was my thought initially, too, but if you think about it, declaring the autopilot inop doesn't change the fact that the installation and wiring of the avionics system conforms with yet-to-be-approved installation manuals. So inop or not, the whole setup would have to be reverted to the old analog interface, which makes little sense.
- Martin
@@martinpauly got it, makes sense! Great videos and explanations thanks. Sorry I missed you at Oshkosh! Would have loved to say hello! Next time!
Can’t wait till you send 70TB to KADH! 😆
How about sending it home to my hangar at KCID first? That would be an exciting start!
- Martin
05:39 Ein Böblinger Kennzeichen im Shop? Grüße aus dem Schwabenland :- )
Danke!
Ja, Karl's Familie kommt aus Deutschland. Kein Wunder, dass wir uns gut verstehen! 😁
- Martin
Thats pertty....
I agree! 👍👍
- Martin
Why seek a novel cross compatibility certification between Garmin and Aspen if you’re seeking something perfectly reliable? Nevertheless, sweet set up and look forward to watching you fly it!
Good question, Ted. Yes, I could have had something working in less time. Part of the fun was to experience the development phase of something new. But I also like the fact that Garmin is cracking the door open a little bit towards making their equipment more compatible with other manufacturers, and I'm happy to be a part of that.
- Martin
@@martinpauly agreed that it’s an overall net good for aviation for Garmin products to be less insular.
Martin - what’s the latest? Any progress?
Yes, the Bonanza is back in my hangar in Cedar Rapids as of last Friday. More updates coming soon...
- Martin
Yea
Hope Mindy’s 182 doesn’t block your aircraft from getting out….
I have no clue... what's going on with Mindy's 182?
- Martin
@@martinpauly she happened to be headed to the same avionics shop for a panel upgrade as well…then again, maybe hers is already finished…envious of you both!
@@stlflyguy Oh, then we are good. Gardner Lowe finished my install in March. For the last couple of months, we've been waiting for the FAA to sign Aspen's TSO and STC paperwork.
- Martin
nice German Number Plate
i think the TÜV might be dated
Good thing it's just hanging on the wall and not on a car 🤣
- Martin
How is your multi engine education going?
Does the owner still have both of his kidneys? I cannot imagine the cost.
As fart as I know, I'm still in possession of all my body parts. 🤣
- Martin
Did you sacrifice a child’s or grandchild’s educational funds? I remember about 25 years ago an acquaintance, who was a wealthy oil man in Texas, bought Beech-36 off of the show room floor for $450k. Now a new Cessna 172 cost a bit more. I have owned three airplanes and the most I paid for any of them was $12k dollars: 1947 Cessna 140, a 1947 Stinson 108-1 and a 1946 Culver V. With puddle jumper engine going for $37k, glass cockpits for the same or more, even kit planes are $200k now. Apparently they are tapping into a wealthy market share. The price of something is only worth what the markets will bear. This ballooning of cost has occurred in a short span of time. I am happy you have the disposable income or a business write-off to support this. If the aircraft is paying for itself, it does not matter what the cost is. I am just whining that the cost of something that I love is now totally out of reach. I am not alone by any means.
I enjoy your videos and think this build is wonderful but in my opinion there’s no way it should take over four months. Beechcraft built your plane in a fraction of that time. It’s ridiculous to think that a plane just sits in the hanger for a week or two until they can touch it for one or two days and then leave it for a week or two and go back to it
If it was just an installation of off-the-shelf equipment, then I'd agree. But you did see the part where I say this isn't just an installation, but a development and certification project of something new, right? Gardner Lowe finished the installation in six weeks, which I think is pretty darn fast for a job this size. The rest is development, flight test, and certification.
- Martin
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