tbh, I agree with you for starting bans on plat. So many times the plat games are so disjointed when you see a bunch of hela, hawkeye and it's such a coin flip that I just want ban so these player are forced to play something else. It's either steamroll enemy or getting steamroll.
diamond is fine at the moment but after 2-3 seasons , hero bans should be in all ranks, no reason to gate keep it to high elo once the game has been solidified
agree with you, there is a huge positive to hero bans, for one all heroes must be played atleast once its cool when you have no choice but to get out of ure comfort zone
I think they will definitely lower the hero bans to plat and preferably below. There’s a unique problem in D3~2 where there are few competent DPS players because many of them climbed thru with Hela/Hawkeye. There’s above is only applicable if they don’t change LP calculations. Right now you can climb to Diamond with a slightly negative win rate (because more LP gained than lost) which feels wrong imo.
Yeah the fact that you naturally climb means that if you don’t climb early in the season, when you do start climbing the skill variance is wild in the games. At best I’d say my skill level on my good days is currently plat since I’ve not gone as hard as others so far. Don’t personally know how my rank in other games could indicate skill in the one so just basing it off of what I see in this game. Either way, I’ve been climbing through gold and some players reck me with almost top tier skill while others crumble as badly as those I find in quick play. Obviously the skill variance of my teammates is similar to my enemies which can make games have wildly different experiences. Not sure how to address it since I do like that if I’m in gold I fight mostly golds as I’ve never been a fan of hidden mmr systems determining ranked match making.
bans should start in bronze. heroes can have very different impact in every rank. heroes that are f tier in gm might break the game for bronze players and vice versa. also it compensates for bad balancing when new heroes are released, or the higher learning curve for some. also "learning the game" means learning to ban and how to use the ban phase
bans could be used as crutch to avoid characters youre not good against. bans in general are in every game, so i dont think its a skill that is untransferrable. if youre in low ranks you can win against broken characters by being better, because the variance in skill is way larger. This isnt the case for high rank, the variance in skill is way lower, people are way more consistent, therefore broken characters matter more. bans dont have to be a thing in low ranks.
@@GreatLove2000 that doesnt make my points invalid. why should low ranks deal with broken characters and high ranks have a tool against it. also it is not like high ranks ban what they dont like to play against. without bans, people would sometimes just dont play after new releases. comanies admit that new heroes are overtuneed, to make people play them and gather data for balancing. bans are a tool, there is no need to remove it from low ranks, regardless of the tool is even used differently, the game experience will be better for everybody, and nothing gets lost by having it available. also in low ranks there is a higher chance that people dont have experience from other games with bans (most games dont have that, only hero shooter and moba, which ish increidbly low amount of game releases), you are not in bronze if you have played hero shooter or mobas before.
NetEase just put out an amazing game. I trust them when they decide Diamond is the skill bracket for hero bans, not randos on the internet. If I've been playing nothing but Psylocke for 20 hours and I'm still in Gold after 100 games, then she gets banned and I choose to switch to Black Panther who I'm terrible at, that just makes the insanity of Bronze, Silver and Gold even worse. Forcing people to swap in low elos is a bad idea. That's just an example btw I play mostly Luna, but can Flex.
2:43 This just isn't true. People who play quick play are not worse they just aren't interested in ranked. I've met tons of quick players who were better than the silver/bronze players. Im GM, and i still play quickplay when im just not trying to worry about my rank, for example, when im sleepy when im playing with my lackluster friends for warm-ups. As for what rank it should start at. All ranks should have tournament bans. Why do we go into ranked/competitive to play by pseudocompetitive rules? Your one trick friend should have suffered early instead of getting up to a certain rank then throwing actual good players' games(that isn't to say your friend is bad im comparing the lobbies not your friend). Your weird feeling towards the bronze and gold players is just elitism. You're saying you guys play fake ranked while we get to play the actual competitive game. If they don't want to be in a competitive environment they should stay out of competitive.
IMO: There should be 1 choice in PLatinum overall. It would be majority vote of both teams. 2 choices in Diamond (1 per side) 3 in GM (1 per side plus a majority vote of both teams on a third) And then 2 choices per side in Eternity I feel this system or one close to it that ramps up the bans per elo would be more forgiving to those who are coming from no bans at all and would possibly give you more time to adapt to the playstyle without being shellshocked back to plat based on an almost 180 turn on comps.
As a person who climbed to gold just for the skin, just put it at every rank. Getting punished for one tricking in bronze is a good thing actually, and qp definitely has better players than bronze. The pros just massively outweigh the cons.
i think that its fair to think bans should start at plat. some think it should be all ranks and i somewhat disagree with that. i suppose i would like to see rank distribution. on one hand i think that different characters are oppressive at different ranks. helas that cant hit shots as much prolly isnt as oppressive as iron fist in bronze. also some people are just trying to play who they like and not even really good but want that competitive feel. thanks for coming to my ted talk
Hero bans should be in all ranks this shit makes the game fun and takes out the toxic heroes allowing some silly ass comps sometimes. Next season we getting up to 8 heroes they should also increase the bans to 3 per side
Plat would be okay for this very moment. Currently plat is around top 15% or something like that? If you introduce it in lower ranks, people are gonna ban some really weird stuff that won't apply later.
I can only imagine the horrors of not having luna as nemor I’m pretty new and mostly play quick play and if I don’t have a luna I switch off namor (usually to a healer since usually we don’t have one)
Bans should start in plat, tournament bans should be available in comp, and actual tournaments should have no ban list because I wanna see pro players doing ALL the fucked up shit.
Im gonna use leauge as an example. Banning champions is the only thing that makes the game playable at mid to high levels in some cases even more so rn due to them running the game down but a game is about fun if you dont find its fun to get killed by hela or hawkeye every game ban them thats a wonderful thing 5 hawkeyes in a row ban him makes the game fresh its never a bad thing most of the time idc if its norms or ranked its about a good fresh time on the game that keeps it going
Players aren’t good enough to warrant hero bans gold and below. Plat I can understand but other than that it’s a skill issue. Let’s not act like there isn’t dive characters and counters to take out Hela and Hawkeye. They are getting nerfs on top of losing their season bonus so it will work itself out
I can get dive against hawkeye, hela doesnt matter imo. She can hold her own unless over numbered but in that case everyone is countered when outnumbered..
@ then there you go problem solved. Type in chat focus Hela/ Hawkeye if they’re popping off, they have to do the same thing in diamond and above lobbies if she somehow didn’t get banned.
simple argument why hero bans should start at silver at least why do lower ranks have to struggle and have the game be harder than higher ranks where players should be good and just know how to counter them if anything her ban should be from bronz to gold then end and you just need to get good after that cus your in a higher rank why do lower ranks have to get good
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tbh, I agree with you for starting bans on plat. So many times the plat games are so disjointed when you see a bunch of hela, hawkeye and it's such a coin flip that I just want ban so these player are forced to play something else. It's either steamroll enemy or getting steamroll.
diamond is fine at the moment but after 2-3 seasons , hero bans should be in all ranks, no reason to gate keep it to high elo once the game has been solidified
agree with you, there is a huge positive to hero bans, for one all heroes must be played atleast once its cool when you have no choice but to get out of ure comfort zone
I think they will definitely lower the hero bans to plat and preferably below.
There’s a unique problem in D3~2 where there are few competent DPS players because many of them climbed thru with Hela/Hawkeye.
There’s above is only applicable if they don’t change LP calculations. Right now you can climb to Diamond with a slightly negative win rate (because more LP gained than lost) which feels wrong imo.
Yeah the fact that you naturally climb means that if you don’t climb early in the season, when you do start climbing the skill variance is wild in the games. At best I’d say my skill level on my good days is currently plat since I’ve not gone as hard as others so far. Don’t personally know how my rank in other games could indicate skill in the one so just basing it off of what I see in this game.
Either way, I’ve been climbing through gold and some players reck me with almost top tier skill while others crumble as badly as those I find in quick play. Obviously the skill variance of my teammates is similar to my enemies which can make games have wildly different experiences. Not sure how to address it since I do like that if I’m in gold I fight mostly golds as I’ve never been a fan of hidden mmr systems determining ranked match making.
bans should start in bronze. heroes can have very different impact in every rank. heroes that are f tier in gm might break the game for bronze players and vice versa. also it compensates for bad balancing when new heroes are released, or the higher learning curve for some.
also "learning the game" means learning to ban and how to use the ban phase
bans could be used as crutch to avoid characters youre not good against. bans in general are in every game, so i dont think its a skill that is untransferrable. if youre in low ranks you can win against broken characters by being better, because the variance in skill is way larger. This isnt the case for high rank, the variance in skill is way lower, people are way more consistent, therefore broken characters matter more.
bans dont have to be a thing in low ranks.
@@GreatLove2000 that doesnt make my points invalid. why should low ranks deal with broken characters and high ranks have a tool against it. also it is not like high ranks ban what they dont like to play against. without bans, people would sometimes just dont play after new releases. comanies admit that new heroes are overtuneed, to make people play them and gather data for balancing.
bans are a tool, there is no need to remove it from low ranks, regardless of the tool is even used differently, the game experience will be better for everybody, and nothing gets lost by having it available.
also in low ranks there is a higher chance that people dont have experience from other games with bans (most games dont have that, only hero shooter and moba, which ish increidbly low amount of game releases), you are not in bronze if you have played hero shooter or mobas before.
I'd rather we get Deserter bans.
Too many of yall just leaving ranked games.
Man I swear everyone and their mother is pushing Eternity; seems like Grandmaster is actually the average rank.
NetEase just put out an amazing game. I trust them when they decide Diamond is the skill bracket for hero bans, not randos on the internet.
If I've been playing nothing but Psylocke for 20 hours and I'm still in Gold after 100 games, then she gets banned and I choose to switch to Black Panther who I'm terrible at, that just makes the insanity of Bronze, Silver and Gold even worse.
Forcing people to swap in low elos is a bad idea.
That's just an example btw I play mostly Luna, but can Flex.
2:43 This just isn't true. People who play quick play are not worse they just aren't interested in ranked. I've met tons of quick players who were better than the silver/bronze players. Im GM, and i still play quickplay when im just not trying to worry about my rank, for example, when im sleepy when im playing with my lackluster friends for warm-ups.
As for what rank it should start at. All ranks should have tournament bans. Why do we go into ranked/competitive to play by pseudocompetitive rules? Your one trick friend should have suffered early instead of getting up to a certain rank then throwing actual good players' games(that isn't to say your friend is bad im comparing the lobbies not your friend). Your weird feeling towards the bronze and gold players is just elitism. You're saying you guys play fake ranked while we get to play the actual competitive game. If they don't want to be in a competitive environment they should stay out of competitive.
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IMO: There should be 1 choice in PLatinum overall. It would be majority vote of both teams.
2 choices in Diamond (1 per side)
3 in GM (1 per side plus a majority vote of both teams on a third)
And then 2 choices per side in Eternity
I feel this system or one close to it that ramps up the bans per elo would be more forgiving to those who are coming from no bans at all and would possibly give you more time to adapt to the playstyle without being shellshocked back to plat based on an almost 180 turn on comps.
As a person who climbed to gold just for the skin, just put it at every rank. Getting punished for one tricking in bronze is a good thing actually, and qp definitely has better players than bronze. The pros just massively outweigh the cons.
i think that its fair to think bans should start at plat. some think it should be all ranks and i somewhat disagree with that. i suppose i would like to see rank distribution. on one hand i think that different characters are oppressive at different ranks. helas that cant hit shots as much prolly isnt as oppressive as iron fist in bronze. also some people are just trying to play who they like and not even really good but want that competitive feel. thanks for coming to my ted talk
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Gold and up sounds good to me next question
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Hero bans should be in all ranks this shit makes the game fun and takes out the toxic heroes allowing some silly ass comps sometimes. Next season we getting up to 8 heroes they should also increase the bans to 3 per side
Plat would be okay for this very moment.
Currently plat is around top 15% or something like that?
If you introduce it in lower ranks, people are gonna ban some really weird stuff that won't apply later.
nah role que is needed in lower tier. then no role que in plat up but will be replaced by bans.
Should start at Gold/Plat because most players just get to Gold for the skin, and anyone grinding past that actually want to take comp seriously
I can only imagine the horrors of not having luna as nemor
I’m pretty new and mostly play quick play and if I don’t have a luna I switch off namor (usually to a healer since usually we don’t have one)
Bans should start in plat, tournament bans should be available in comp, and actual tournaments should have no ban list because I wanna see pro players doing ALL the fucked up shit.
Im gonna use leauge as an example. Banning champions is the only thing that makes the game playable at mid to high levels in some cases even more so rn due to them running the game down but a game is about fun if you dont find its fun to get killed by hela or hawkeye every game ban them thats a wonderful thing 5 hawkeyes in a row ban him makes the game fresh its never a bad thing most of the time idc if its norms or ranked its about a good fresh time on the game that keeps it going
history vids are WAY too goated. no glaze
How about in bronze to gold it can be 1ban and 1protect. Then plat on it should follow the current ban system
I think maybe gold is too early cuz everyone is going to ban heroes based on what they saw on youtube or reddit.
Nah, competitive is competitive. That mindset should start immediately and enforced by the game.
Siege does it this way. Bring bans to all ranks.
Plat2 here: I agree i want bans at my elo
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I'm Diamond 1, and I think hero bans should be implimented gold and up ngl.
I see hero bans should start in silver because bronze is seeing how stuff works and what is breaking the game
Im plat and yeah they should absolutely start there
im really not sure how hawkeye would be useful if hes nerfed unfortunately
i mean, if the player count increase diamond will almost never get to play with plat
Players aren’t good enough to warrant hero bans gold and below. Plat I can understand but other than that it’s a skill issue. Let’s not act like there isn’t dive characters and counters to take out Hela and Hawkeye. They are getting nerfs on top of losing their season bonus so it will work itself out
I can get dive against hawkeye, hela doesnt matter imo. She can hold her own unless over numbered but in that case everyone is countered when outnumbered..
@ then there you go problem solved. Type in chat focus Hela/ Hawkeye if they’re popping off, they have to do the same thing in diamond and above lobbies if she somehow didn’t get banned.
hello as a plat i think they should start in plat mr engagement farmer
PLEASEEEEE PUT HERO BANS IN GOLD IM LOSING MY MIND
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Tbh gold should get to ban one
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simple argument why hero bans should start at silver at least why do lower ranks have to struggle and have the game be harder than higher ranks where players should be good and just know how to counter them if anything her ban should be from bronz to gold then end and you just need to get good after that cus your in a higher rank why do lower ranks have to get good