My Friend Watches STAR TREK 2 for the First Time || Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan Reaction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- We launch John into the world of Star Trek with Wrath of Khan. Will he rate his first Star Trek higher or lower than Star Wars.
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John welcome to Star Trek. I understand why y'all started with this installment of the movies. The first one Is more of a audio/visual experience. For me this is my favorite movie of the original 6. Looking forward to the rest of them. Are you going to be going through all of them? (including the Kelvin stuff?)
Yes. Kelvin timeline will happen. 😎👍. Glad he is liking these. III is on edit right now.
Unpopular opinion, Star Trek I is probably my favorite in the series.
Hey, different tastes for different folks. My thoughts are that Star Trek has something for everyone but not everything for some-one. We'll actually be watching it at some point.
@@PatrickStewart316 Look forward to your takes, good or bad. I know a lot of people refer to it as the slow-motion picture, but that's one of the reasons I like it, how different it is and long drawn out visual shots are like art to be taken in and experienced along with the music. Just found your channel today and liked your reaction to Wrath of Khan!
Well, under the effects of certain substances, I can imagine it being quite fascinating.
"Space Seed" episode was in season 1, while the Chekov character didn't appear until season 2. It is believed Chekov was a minor officer in season 1 and did not become a bridge officer until season 2.
My understanding has always been that NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract, but I couldn't tell you where I heard that.
Evidently we are both wrong. As I am reading now it stands for Navy-Curtis Craft. 🤣
Lt. Saavik is half-Romulan, half-Vulcan.
There was one thing good about the 1st movie. And that was Spock and McCoy's first interaction since the series.
McCoy: Spock, you haven't changed a bit. You're as warm and sociable as ever.
Spock: Nor have you, Doctor, as your continued predilection for irrelevancy demonstrates.
Did you tell your buddy that "Scotty" was actually on the D-Day beaches in Normandy. Had a finger shot off!
Yes. But it hit the cutting room floor during edit. I’ll see if we can’t get a convo of that on number 4 react
@@PatrickStewart316 Scotty's finger hit the cutting room floor?
@@KB-kc7ou 🤣🤣🤣 no. Not his finger. Just the discussion about it.
This is also one of the most quoted Star Trek movies of the entire franchise.
John!!! Jason!!! Patrick!!!! Star Trek yeeesssssss!!!! I'm so excited to watch this!! This was my fav when I was little!!!!
Sweet. Good ti see you here 😎
Saavik is half Vulcan, half Romulan.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is my favorite ST film of all-time! I saw this in theaters when I was 8 years old with my uncle, a huge Trekkie. Thanks for sharing, subscribed! 💯
I am torn. I honestly believe this one is the best and has stood the test of time. But Undiscovered Country is one of my favs.
@@PatrickStewart316 Yeah, I'm an "even numbered" fan of the film series.
I can hardly wait for you guys to get through the Undiscovered Country & take a quick detour to Galaxy Quest 😉
Galaxy Quest is 💯 going to happen.
Due to the damage that the Enterprise had from the attack, when she fired on Reliant, the salvo missed the bridge, and gave us the rest of the movie.
The beauty is they got the same actor Ricardo Montalban to portray Khan as he did in the Star Trek series episode: "The space seed." I don't think the movie would have turned out as good as it did if they would have had a different actor playing Khan. Even though people say Chekov wasn't in that episode so how how could Khan and Chekov know each other. It could be easily explained that Chekov was on the ship as he would part of the crew we just didn't see him. The same as sometimes in episodes we don't see Mr. Sulu.🖖
The first movie isn't truly terrible, but it's slow paced, without an emotional payoff, nor does it have some fascinating logic quandry.
Most excellent reaction and shout out. Half of my childhood memories of my living room had Star Trek on the TV.
Glad you got to see it. And glad we got to do it.
Funny you say about a Star Trek/Alien crossover. James Horner did the music for Star Trek 2 and Aliens. I swear that there is snippets of music that are in both films
Now that you say that….
Mind blown 🤯 😎
@@PatrickStewart316 It is the same with composer, Thomas Newman for the film The Green Mile and Finding Nemo.
My heart has always resided in the Star Trek universe. The comraderie of Kirk, McCoy, and Spock. The life of Worf and life with Jadzia Dax. There's so much variety for my mind to go. I have played the games, done the email RPGs. You can't love every series in the franchise, but you don't have to. That's one piece I love, there's something for everyone.
I am with you. There is something for everyone in Star Trek but not necessarily everything for someone.
When you were talking about someone you know that has autism and being on the spectrum it hit home. I am on the spectrum but I found out five years ago in my 30s it was hard as a child but I did have loving and caring parents
So glad you got the love and support from your folks. Much love for ya here 🙏❤️
The novel based on the movie indicated that Kirstie Alley's Saavik was supposed to be half-Vulcan & half Romulan. The novelist, Vonda McIntyre, had access to the full script (including scenes and lines that were cut) as well as the movie bible which might have included that as a back story. According to Memory Alpha the line that was cut from the movie has Spock saying, "She's half Romulan, Jim. The admixture makes her more volatile than - me, for example." It was only when the role was taken over by Robin Curtis that Saavik appeared to be fully Vulcan.
Star Trek:TMP was an outgrowth of the proposed TV reboot Star Trek: Phase II - the cast of which included all of the TOS regulars except for Spock (as Nimoy wasn't interested at the time in reprising the role) and new characters Willard Decker, Ilia and a young Vulcan named Xon who wished to be more like humans so he could understand them (the actor did appear in the film as the commander of the station that is destroyed by V'ger). The popularity of Star Wars actually led to the TV series being repurposed as the movie.. Those three new characters are also the basis for TNG characters William Riker, Deanna Troi and Data.
Jay coming in clutch as usual with things I never knew about. Me on Millionaire: “I’d like to use my phone a friend….pick up the phone Jay.”
I came to the comments to type this. Glad you beat me to it.
Now you have to watch the original episode of Star Trek called Space Seed. That is where the origan of Kahn takes place and why he hates Kirk so very much
👍👍. It’s on the list. Right before we watch The Motion Picture.
The only acceptable time for a real man to cry watching a movie is when Spock dies. That is an objective fact documented in academic literature.
There's alway been excellent 1-to-1 dialogue interactions between certain characters in classic Star Trek. The one here between Spock and Kirk hits hard. But other do include (but not limited to):
🔹️Kirk and Saavik: Search for Spock - Mind meld to retrieve Spock's memories.
🔹️Kirk and Spock: Undiscovered Country - Kirks protestation towards Spock about meeting the Klingons.
🔹️Picard and Riker: TNG - In Picard's ready room, confronting his commander about a past mutiny.
🔹️Sisko and Maquis leader(?): DS9 ‐ On the Defiant threatening to destroy a second Maquis settlement.
All great interactions with well written lines, something that Kurtzman Trek could never hold a candle to.
Great call outs. Haven’t ever watched DS9, so I will take your word on that. But I agree with all the other scenes. Good stuff.
NCC = Naval Construction Contract
NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract.
@@billpike-cn5pz correct you are 🫡
According to the novelization, Saavik was originally supposed to be half-Vulcan and half-Romulan. That explains her outburst during the simulation. But apart from that, her mixed heritage was never mentioned in the finished film.
Never knew this 💚💚💚
It was also stated by Spock to Kirk in a deleted scene.
The novelization really built on her characterization, as well as her relationship with Spock, and Scotty's nephew (the kid who died under Scotty's watch).
It will be interesting to see your joint reaction to the films "Robocop" and "Robocop 3" 👍
Did that dude say "Nautilus class cruiser" in reference to the Enterprise? He better bust out a technical manual because the Enterprise is a "Constitution Class Cruiser" .... dont know where he got Nautilus from
@@muerkier as much as I like Star Trek, I’m really not a lore expert. I am when it comes to Star Wars. But yeah, NCC is actually Naval Constriction Contract 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Too much Romulan Ale 🍺
@@PatrickStewart316 I didn't dispute the NCC part, I disputed that you claimed the Enterprise was a "Nautilus Class Cruiser." It is a "Constitution Class Cruiser." Other than that, keep up the good work.
I read the Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan written manual back when the film was originally released. One of the things revealed in that writing that I learned was that Saavik is half Vulcan half Romulan. That is why she displayed irritation during the Kobayashi Maru test and even said damn at one point during that test.
This makes a lot of sense now. Those dang Romulans. 😎
ST:TMP isnt 'stupid' its just boring. It had the wrong ambition in wanting to be 2001, and didnt execute on that well anyway. I think you could have told the same story with some energy and engagement with a tighter script and a different director.
2001 is a great comparison. I always felt like TMP was 2001 with the Star Trek name stamped on it.
Hi Guys good reaction,A question We all know that Leonard Nimoy and George Takei and I even read that Walter Koenig had a few bad experiences With William Shatner but did De forest Kelley?Be interesting to know,thanks guys.
My favorite Shatner bad experience is the story by Will Wheaton. Love it. 🤣🤣
Not shown on screen, but on a deleted scene it is stated by Spock to Kirk that Saavik is half Romulan. This would explain the "damn" during the Kobayashi Maru scenario and why she was crying at Spock's funeral.
Those damn romulans. 🤣🤣
Crying at Spock’s funeral was an honest reaction from Kirstie Alley. They didn’t tell the main cast about Spock’s death until they filmed that scene, which was filmed before the death scene. They were all surprised. Kirstie Alley was a ST fan, so it was a genuine reaction.
Nerd alert! "NCC" does not mean Nautical Class Cruiser. In the 1975 book by technical illustrator Franz Joseph Schnaubelt "Star Trek: Blueprints" it was revealed that NCC stands for "Naval Construction Contract." However, this was changed in both "The Making of Star Trek", and the second season writers guide update to "Navy-Curtis Craft", referring to the fact that the design and construction of the cruisers was a combination of the Navy's and Curtis Industries inputs. However, countless starships have been constructed since then also bearing the "NCC". Therefore unless Federation starships were all designed and constructed by the same two groups, generation after generation, many fans agree that the original designation of "Naval Construction Contract" makes more sense since it is not dependent on the belief that all starships bearing the "NCC" were all designed and constructed by the same groups. In either case, "NCC" does not stand for nautical class cruiser. Yes... I'm that big of a nerd. Thanks for the entertaining reaction. I love the passion you have for Star Trek. Stay awesome guys. :)
Appreciate the watch and the awesome nerd-dom. 1,000 cool points for you 👏😎. Love it.
as far as i know; saavik is half romulan half vulcan.
You would be 100% correct
Glad your friend enjoyed the movie. Best if you get him started on the Classic Series first and at least when he gets to "Space Seed" he will appreciate the movie that much more as he moves forward 🙂👍
It's true that Kirk never had a close friend like Spock. He did watch his brother Sam and Sam's wife Aurelan die a painful death right in front of them so he has known death but this was different.
That moment Kirk is slumped in defeat leaning against the glass and Spock is dead on the other side. 💔
And Spock. Trying to make Kirk feel better the whole time. Human. 😢
Saavik was supposed to be half Romulan but that back story got cut.
Hence the outburst during sim training. Huh. Never knew this. 💚💚💚
The Motion Picture is my favorite Trek film. :(
Good in its own right…visually. For a guy who has never seen them 50 years after the fact I fear we would lose him.
@@PatrickStewart316 Lol it's great on an intellectual and philosophical level too. It just has a kind of silly, barely existent story as the driver of the events. Admittedly not for everyone, but I genuinely love the mystery of V'Ger.
But TMP is definitely more akin to the headier episodes of the show, and admittedly not traditional blockbuster movie material. I guess I just defend it because of my personal bias
@@Progger11 the mystery of Voyager was mind blowing first time I saw it. Subsequent viewings though. I have heard the 4k director cut is phenomenal
Best name ever!! Subscribed. :)
Thanks. Named after my uncle actually. Not THAT Patrick Stewart. But A Patrick Stewart
*vrmm vrmm!* ( laser sword sound )
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Any chance of going back to TMP at a later date?
Yes. In post interview I believe John says we can go back and watch it.
Best Star Trek film ever made 👍
I have watched it many times but Spock's death still hits me every time 😢
No matter how many times I see it I still get choked up.
oooh Im excited for these, May I recommend for a future series The Lord of the RIngs/The Hobbit.. I'd love to see you guys react to bot trilogies
Wonderful series. Unfortunately all three of us have seen those.
@PatrickStewart316 well I'm glad you've all seen them at least! Sad I won't get to enjoy watching a first-time reaction for them, but I'm happy they've been seen
@@Phantom_Fireside I might talk him into Rings if Power. I enjoyed it.
@PatrickStewart316 meh I wasn't a fan, but I was glad to finally get a visual of the Two Trees of Valinor
This is the first video that I've seen on your channel. Your name caught my attention 😆, but of course I don't know you or John at all, so I don't know his taste. Still, I think it's a mistake to just completely dismiss Star Trek: The Motion Picture like that. After all, if it was true that no one who watched it would ever watch another, then the movie you just saw wouldn't exist. Clearly, TMP tried to be a 2001-like spectacle, and didn't really succeed. The Director's Cut improved it.
It's got to be seen with a decent home theater, though. When I realised that the Blu-ray was just the theatrical cut, I didn't bother to upgrade, but if I can find the 4k Director's Cut for a reasonable price, I'll get it. Of course, the following movies are better, including III, but I think of all the movies with the original cast, V is the worst. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is very good, and saw the return of Nicholas Meyer as the director, but an obvious parable on the real world events of the time, like Chernobyl and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
And as for rather watching Superman IV, are you serious? The only thing I can imagine is the "Plan 9 From Outer Space" entertainment value. Superman IV is certainly better if you watch it specifically to make fun of its constant ineptitude.
So. First. Welcome to the channel. Second. Good call outs.
Third, some background. John and I have been friends for 26 years. Actually 27 years now. Throughout all those years he made fun of franchises like this and never saw a Star Wars or Star Trek film. Harry Potter, Hinger Games, things like that he never saw either. I started this channel with the express intent of turning him into a fan and getting him to like the movies. For instance I knew if we started him on the original Star Wars we would lose him. So I started him on Rogue One and then took him through the films. “Qapla’”
So too with this series. My goal remains. Get him vested in the story and fandom. Had we shown him TMP we would have lost him. That being said he has agreed to watch TMP once done with series. So not a total loss.
Also can’t wait for 4k TMP. Gonna be cool. But generally speaking I don’t enjoy movies for their visual cinematography. Gotta have compelling characters (TMP ✅), good plot (TMP ✅), good pacing (TMP 👎), great acting (TMP 👎), emotional buy in (TMP 👎). My favorite ST is Undiscovered Country. Everything is there including a good message.
Patrick! Your enthusiasm is really nice to experience. I was excited to see you bring John in to see the movie, but what motivated him to make smart-ass comments and remarks throughout? I stopped watching another duo who was reacting to the original series. It's not fun to watch, and the self-importance of after-the-fact critics is irritating. Again, really like YOUR enthusiasm.
Well. What I can say is we make fun of everything. If you’ve followed us over the last 3 years you would see that John comes into these as a skeptic. Mid 40s and never seen any of these. Of course, he hasn’t watched them because he thought they were, frankly, stupid. The fun is taking him from someone who starts off bashing the first movie in a new to him series, and by the end he is a staunch fan and defender. Heck, you should have seen his Harry Potter conversion.
End of the day we could be like so many popular reaction channels and ooooohh & ahhhhh at all the right moments with our hands on our cheeks. But his reaction is genuine. If he thinks something is cheesy and over the top he is going to make fun of it. As do I. My favorite part is being able to say “I told you so,” to him.
But I get it. It’s a turn off to some. But we are irreverent about it all. Some folks take this stuff too seriously. I’ve got some of the rarest Star Wars collectibles and a 10 hour Star Wars tattoo, but because I dared to make snarky comments about some Star Wars material and don’t like everything the franchise has put out then I am somehow a heretic.
Long and short is that Johns reactions are a journey to fandom. That’s why I started them. They aren’t an homage to the fans. So, glad you stopped by, thanks for the input. Stick around if you want to see him become a fan. But if it’s a turn off, live long and prosper 🖖 Chris
@@PatrickStewart316 Gee whiz, Patrick. So much time to respond to me. You're a class act. You didn't have to take so much time, and so many words. How can anyone not like watching your channel, with you at the helm! Very, very sweet response. Very, very classy!!! :) Kudos!
@@christopheryochum3602 Chris. I love interacting with people. If somebody takes the time to reach out to me I love getting to know folks. Kind of like Star Trek, takes all sorts to make the world go round. Viewers like you are the only reason I keep on keeping on. Drop me an email anytime you want to wax philosophical on movies just need an ear. 🖖👍💪
I guess I was expecting a more serious look at the film. Oh well, to each their own
yessss and 8.5 from John I'm so glad he liked it! ahhhh I'm looking forward to Search for Spock
Editing that one now. Good news… we found him. 🖖
@@PatrickStewart316 Oh good he's been found, hes my fav
This and Undiscovered Country are the best Star Trek movies.
I am with you 💯 on this.
I just run accross your channel recently and getting caught up on your Star Trek reactions. Its really a shame you guys disnt react to The Motion Picture. I really dont agree that it sucks. Its just different. Its slower paced. Less action but more tense.
I appreciate the thoughts. Each to their own. If it were just a matter of getting raw reactions out of John, and nothing else I would definitely have started with the motion picture. But from the inception of this channel, my goal has always been to make him a fan of whatever series I show him for the first time. For instance, when I first showed him Star Wars, we started with rogue one so I could get him hooked. And we started him with the original Star Wars we would’ve lost him, and even he agreed on that one. After 27 years of friendship, I pretty much know what will turn him off and what won’t, and wanted him to give the series an honest chance.
While the Starfleet duty Uniform features a Red lapel jacket. The Multi colored Division colors are still very prevalent. However, the colors are different and there are more of them in this era. They are identified by the shirt collars under the Jacket. The Uniforms are a bit more complicated as well since Medical Uniforms and surgery attire are quite different. And the Kakay shoulders of the Utility uniform Typically worn by Cadets and NCO's. But for most these specific uniforms like Starbase service uniforms a colored armband would be worn to denote division. The divisions are as follows:
White- Command
Yellow- Operations
Grey- Science/Technician
Dark Green- Security
Light Green- Medical
Red- Cadet
Black- NCO's and Enlisted
Sky Blue- Special Services
This is great stuff. I never knew. Love it. Thank you
When you're talking about the first Star Trek movie, are you really talking about Star Trek 5, which really is cheesy and quite stupid in many ways? TMP is very slow in the style of 2001 A Space Odyssey, with clear attempts to be a cerebral epic, but the story is pretty solid, has great visual effects and one of the greatest scores ever composed for any movie. It certainly has its flaws, but nowhere near the way Five was as a Shatner ego trip.
5 sucksssssssssss. First Star Trek movie I saw in theater and I just looked at my dad like WTF did we just watch.
Brilliant movie, still love it! I saw all of them in the theater originally. My opinion these days is that 6 is a hair better than this one. At least as good. And 1 has become one of my favorites honestly. In the theater I loved ST1 because the effects and world building at the time was epic and has held up well. Also it was an exciting retro-trip for those of us that grew up with the series on small black and white screens. It absolutely was unfinished, poorly paced and had awkward dialogue, but we were able to ignore that at the time. The 4K Director’s Edition fixes a lot of that. 😊
Chomping at the bit to watch the 4k DE of TMP. Haven’t seen it. Don’t own it yet. Waiting for this journey with John to end to get there.
You guys sure have jokes
1. BEST of the entire series. Including the new ones.
2. You can hear Chekov's feet hit the wooden deck when he steps off the box
when Khan "lowers" him during his capture scene.
3. There's a bone of contention that Chekov hadn't been featured yet from "Space seed" which this was based. If you get the chance review the TSO series. You won't regret it.😎
4. Kirstie Alley before she gained 150 lbs,
5. That was really Recardo Montalban's chest.
6. Kirk and Khan don't see each other face to face.
7. I'm not the biggest fan of Kirk screaming "KHAAAAAN". Crackers or wine with that cheese? 😉
8. Leonard Nimoy was tired of playing Spock and even though under contract
to carry on he agreed only if he could direct the next movie in the series.
9. Some people think Kahn recognizing Chekov is a goof, but we hadn't been introduced to Chekov until after "Space Seed" from TOS. It doesn't mean he wasn't there.
Can’t wait to share this with the guys. Great stuff here.
Mentioning Kirstie Alley's weight gain isn't cool!
@@69coolchris I'm not the one that put on, then lost 50 lbs.
For your 9th point, I have a head canon that Chekov was a member of the crew when Khan first came on board the Enterprise. He just wasn't on the Bridge staff yet, or was off duty.
Either way, in addition to Khan studying all the tech manuals on the Enterprise while in sickbay, he also studied the entire crew manifest which likely contained bios and photos of the crew members. Given his "genetically engineered intellect", he has a photographic memory and remembered what every member of the crew looked like, whether he meet them personally or not.
Having this head canon allows me to brush off that little snafu in an otherwise perfect Star Trek movie.
@@DocMicrowave I agree, I'm not "some people". I like Chekov better than I like Kirk.
May I recommend the last of us after this that show is amazing starring our fav Mandalorian
I am very interested in that show. But before we move into another show we are going to finish Stranger things.
@@PatrickStewart316 🤝🏽
@@PatrickStewart316 yall gone be in for a ride
You skipped over half of the best scenes.
I was going to watch but that guy in the middle is too annoying.
The guy in the middle is annoying.
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