“ALL YOUR GRUDGE ARE BELONG TO US...” (Continue down for QnA)… 1. Why should Hatchiyack’s canon matter? Why do you waste time trying to validate something not worth exploring? A: To this day, I still get some people who question how I scale non-anime characters. I’m not gonna hide how I go about these topics. I understand the “canon” of Dragon Ball is not as simple as people make it out to be. I don’t wish to generalize the story. That is kinda going against the intentions of the staff making these products. I understand people have issues when I claim villains are not even planet-level. That is why I emphasize the difference between visual presentation and world-building lore. Plus, its makes the video interesting. Multiple perspectives can change how we interpret characters like Hatchiyack. But then again, I’m just an idiot on the internet who thinks Monster Carrot is Outerversal, so who’s accurate here? Lol 2. How did you come up with the Spaceship Speed scaling? A: In truth, Plan to eradicate the Saiyans lacks any good speed feats. Obviously, without the anime or movie as a reference, it’s difficult to figure out their combat speed. However, when using the spaceship argument, we have more room for discussion. I didn’t want to overly explain this method, which is why I left it open-ended. If I wanted to, I could have explained the calc can go septillion times FTL. With meta-cooler's speed feat, felt like it's redundant to hype Hatchiyack's speed more. It reaches a point that viewers can’t even comprehend such a high number. Plus, it’s better than me saying “We don’t know how fast he is” cuz I know fans won’t be satisfied with such a lame and vague answer. 3. Why did you prioritize Koyama’s opinions? He has no idea what he’s talking about? A: To this day, many fans have mixed feelings towards his claims. Funny that for certain topics, people have no issues using Koyama’s opinions. Only to ignore it when it goes against one’s premise. Regardless, while I too have my thoughts, I still wish to acknowledge his perspective. My videos will have a biased take. But I still try my best to establish thresholds for Hatchiyack scaling to reach some middle ground interpretation of what was his intentions without the convoluted lore scaling. 4. Are the other versions of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans official? A: yes, they are all officially licensed and branded to Dragon Ball. I recommend watching my Android 21 video. The Producer for FighterZ had meetings with Toriyama, Bandai, Shueisha, and Toei for 21’s character. Hatchiyack’s character must likewise be passed and accepted by all major groups to get into the final product. Any assumptions to argue that one version of the events is less canon than the other should be disregarded. 5. What is the deal with your Super Saiyan Grade scaling Agenda? A: I’m very blunt in debunking the notion that Super Saiyan 1 cannot be more than a 50x multiplier. Despite countless sources, people argue Grade 4 is still “regular super saiyan.” While true, it does not give the full picture. Fans love to hype up characters to outerversal, so I TRY to make arguments that can justify those claims. Power Scaling is a meta. gaining access to sources will change how we interpret stories. Otherwise, we’d still argue Goku ONLY NOW reach planet level with SSB. We just know that Goku’s mastery of Super Saiyan CAN allow him to create a spirit Bomb. Something MANY fans and the series itself believe to be impossible. Yet ironically, the games are more accurate towards that interpretation. 6. A: some minor clarifications I want to bring up. The “Hatchiyack Computer” created Ghost Raichi, but for the sake of not confusing the audience, I simply referred to Ghost Raichi as the mastermind to make the narrative summary easier to comprehend. Secondly, It was Hard to find any great gameplay footage of the Playdia game or any raw, no subtitles videos. Plus, the spanish subtitles was not 100% accurate, so I did my best to translate to the actual Jap Dialogue without it being read like broken English. If case anyone notice some likely incorrect translations shown in the video. My apologies for any possible confusion. 7. Now that you talked about Hatchiyack, Wen Bro-? A: No. Check out my discord server if you want to hang out with other Dragon Ball fans. As well as discussing other Power Scaling topics. Shout out and credit to the community for their assist with all the scans and footage I needed to make this project.
What I love about your videos is that you can go through every single version of a characters appearance throughout the Dragon Ball franchise. I know it indefinitely takes a lot of time and research, but it's alway cool to see.
One of the most underrated DBZ Gaiden villains of all time, my boy hatchiyack. Great video btw Numbs. Plus I really liked how you went over the Famicom & Playdia versions of him inside the games including his DB heroes variant too.
I always appreciate your videos, Numbers. It’s so cool seeing DB animation of various qualities and from so many sources back-to-back like this. Maybe the Broly scaling video was the friends we made along the way.
Excuse me, Numbers? Can you please do a Video about Vegeta or Cell? As I really want to see you point out some or all of the flaws that Vegeta or Cell has in addition to you detailing how strong either of them would have been too.
Numbers, did you forget to mention about Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle's Quest Mode's version of Doctor Raichi, Dr. Raichi's Monster Minions, the rest of the Ghost Warriors, and Hatchiyack? And also some pretty important information from Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 too?
I am aware of Dokkan Battle's Boss Gauntlet that so happens to recreate the story via gameplay. It's simply known as Hero Extermination Plan but it does not have any cutscenes I'm aware of. I have done my own plot summary notes regarding Quest Mode but unless there is some recent update, I don't recall him appearing specifically in Quest Mode. Even if there was a Event recreation, I would only add another two sentence mention of it just like with Ultimate Mission 1 and 2. As for Raging Blast 2, I already used the 2010 Remake and I have photos of his Bio in the game but it simply talks more about how he was a Supercomputer, overexposed to Grudges that transformed him. He has no extra game dialogue, which is what I used for the intro and I try not to use gameplay menus since its as reliable as the DBZ trading cards or those DBZ wafer cookie cards. I'd just be repeating info or adding minor fluff to his character. But I appreciate you pointing that out.
Still stalling for Broly, huh? Jk. Good vid as per usual. Didn’t think Koyama made a comparison between Hatchiyack and Cell but I guess can see what he means “going by feeling.” At least for the manga version consider how much the anime hyped up Gohan and has him tanks several blasts from Cell Jrs with cell thinking just his punch would be able to harm Gohan after that. I wonder if Koyama would feel the same about Super Hatchiyack and Super Perfect Cell. I also could see Grade 4 as either being equal to Grade 1 but maximum power since I think that’s supported by Dorothee Magazine and is more consistent with the themes of balancing stats in the story, or potentially beyond that of Grade 1. The the BoG interview I feel like there might be room for interpretation since Goku would have to “master base and SSJ” which he already did and might just be referring to mastering god ki or something else. With the Spanish guide, I have my doubts since French guides will state Turles is Goku’s brother (cause he is in the French dub) so I wonder if the Spanish dub may have influenced the Spanish guidebook in the same way. I do feel like Trunks in DBS is the only blatant example of the boost being heightened where it’s actually talked about. I also don’t know how to feel about DBS and having SSJ Rage Trunks casually shape a Spirit Bomb in the form a sword but Goku not be able to do the same. I also feel like narratively Goku never lost any purity as a Grade 1 (which was the significance of him sparing Frieza) but clearing away the rage is what allowed him to out put his power higher and more efficiently. Though I can still see Grade 4 being greater than Grade 1, I do think it is somewhat more contentious. I was only ever aware of the 2 OVA’s and vagulely Playdia version so it’s interesting to see that he could go big, make clones and has a super form. Also very true on Koyama pretty much spamming the same type of anti-climatic ending lol
In RB2 i equipped Hatchiyack with all of the upgrades to Ultimate finishers. He was literally leaving your life span hanging by a thread, HAHAHAHA. Diabolical. and should his health drop below one bar, everyone in the room is literally getting eradicated. His one hit gut punch, one tapped big villians HAHAHA. omg 😂🤣. I'm laughing just remembering all the KO's against the computer hahaha. RG2 for life, Goated.
Hypothetically if Hatchiyack and the movies were canon with the anime/manga Goku and Vegeta are so powerful they can finger flicker Hatchiyack and Broly. Even if they both fused.
@@DizPrince I'm saying both Goku and Vegeta are so powerful now with UI and Ultra Ego transformations that they can defeat Hatchiyack and Z Broly without even trying. That's if they were canon. Even if Hatchiyack and Z Broly fused Goku and Vegeta would still probably just need to back slap the fused being and still win
@@anthonywatson1508 Yeah that's obvious, what's the point in that though. Pan's power level is so high if she landed on Earth in the Saiyan Saga she'd destroy everything. No point bringing in the current strength levels against anything in the past.
I always thought it was weird that "this character isn't canon" is considered an instant win in powerscaling. No shit Hatchiyack isn't canon. Neither is Broly but that hasn't stopped people from trying to figure out if Broly could beat Perfect Cell for the past 30 years (Spoiler Alert: Broly stomps) That's one of my biggest pet peeves about anime powerscalers, specifically DBZ. A lot of them act like they're competent with the numbers and feats game when all they do is parrot TH-camrs like Swagkage and pull "well this character isn't canon so the canon one stomps lolol" out of their ass. In my opinion, there's absolutely NO reason for canonicity to have any bearing on a DBZ powerscaling debate. LSSJ Broly (Not even Second Coming when he got a RIDICULOUS Zenkai that suddenly let him shitstomp Buu Saga Gohan) would neg diff Perfect Cell, and Spice would no diff 1st and 2nd Form Freeza.
While I generally enjoy your videos it will never not grind my gears that you refuse to accept that one sided continuity connections can, and do exist in many pieces of fiction including Dragon Ball.
Oh don't worry. At this point into my scaling career, it might as well be a running gag. I don't let it affect the actual content since I do at the end of the day, include that line of thinking since my videos are intentionally meant to be a Composite Profile. It'd be contradictory to make a composite scaling vid but then just including one continuity. I only bring up the topic because people too often overlook the convoluted canonicity of franchises in general. I try my best not to cherry pick selected sources to validate my stance. Of course, this being the internet, I intentionally in a sarcastic manner, poke fun at how other scalers or debaters often argue certain stances without at least trying to acknowledge the other side that has SOME credible stance. At the end of the day, its just me having fun with my audience, as I personally have no real grudge against Koyama or Broly or the scaling community or whatever. Although to be fair, Godzilla or Sonic existing in Dr.Slump, which is canon to DBZ makes a few scaling topics a bit awkward. 😆
Technically yes. Not surprising tho, cuz we saw Anime Goku use Super Kaioken. Plus, in some video games, he can stack SSJ4 with Kaioken, not just SSB. Now granted, would it probably kill him? Likely yes. However, Same could be said with Blue Kaiokenx20. To be fair, we even saw how severe the side-effects were when Goku hit his limit using MUI in the anime with the purple lightning but its theoretically possible if Goku bothered to reach that higher of a combined form.
@@black2785 Sorta? Kinda? Cuz In the manga, even UI has "levels" starting from TOP Omen, to TOP MUI, then Moro Arc Omen and MUI, to finally Granolah arc of MUI and TUI. In outside material, Giblet in Legends can master his Dark Ki Level 3 with SSG to become even stronger. Plus, in the upcoming Xenoverse 2 DLC Story, i think Vegeta will combine Ultra Supervillain Mode ontop of SSG? If not, we do see Goku Black combine Rose with Ultra Super Villain. Also, technically, SSB is just the evolved form of SSG, since it requires better ki control to combine two separate forms into one. Now if we mean SSG by itself? More than likely yes. Cuz Goku evolved ssj1, Manga Trunks evolved ssj2 into Rage, Cumber evolved SSj3, Xeno Goku evolved SSj4, Vegeta evolved SSB, and even heroes Goku Black and Broly evolved either into Rose 2 and 3 or LSSJ3 or God Broly. Who knows what could SSG by itself evolve into other than just better ki control but at this point into the franchise, every new form might as well be a stand-in for the "grade form" evolution line.
@@Numbers2133 👏🏼 that was probably the best explanation I’ve heard anyone say. Your knowledge of transformations are impressive. I see Hyrounjutsu Vegeta vs (GT) Version of Goku Black in SSG Evolution form since he didn’t know how to surpass SSG into blue yet
I know he wants to protect Broly, his baby, but no, Super Janemba let alone fat Janemba is wrecking Broly. It took SSJ3 to take down fat Janemba, and it took a buu saga level Super Saiyan Gogeta to take out Super Janemba.
Koyama is an interesting individual; he's clearly knowledgeable due to his heavy involvement in the anime and the movies' production and oftentimes keeps his estimates about character strengths more grounded than the DBZ fans ever could, but the Broly glazing is unreal. Sometimes you just have to accept that everyone has their biases, and for Koyama it is his buff broccoli man.
I wish he shows up again and turns out he cames from DBS´s Universe 3. This may also be from the universe when Goku suffer brain damage from the fall like in the original timeline and not current DBS canon where Goku was properly loved by his family(lmao nobody cares about Radditz in any universe)
Barely proof of different continuities the map thing is more then likely just a a case of ether writer having no idea of such a map rather then a intentional difference in continuity
Mannnn king Kai isn’t trust worthy when it comes to power levels. He shits his pants every time someone mentions anyone like bro shit ain’t that serious
“ALL YOUR GRUDGE ARE BELONG TO US...”
(Continue down for QnA)…
1. Why should Hatchiyack’s canon matter? Why do you waste time trying to validate something not worth exploring?
A: To this day, I still get some people who question how I scale non-anime characters. I’m not gonna hide how I go about these topics. I understand the “canon” of Dragon Ball is not as simple as people make it out to be. I don’t wish to generalize the story. That is kinda going against the intentions of the staff making these products. I understand people have issues when I claim villains are not even planet-level. That is why I emphasize the difference between visual presentation and world-building lore. Plus, its makes the video interesting. Multiple perspectives can change how we interpret characters like Hatchiyack. But then again, I’m just an idiot on the internet who thinks Monster Carrot is Outerversal, so who’s accurate here? Lol
2. How did you come up with the Spaceship Speed scaling?
A: In truth, Plan to eradicate the Saiyans lacks any good speed feats. Obviously, without the anime or movie as a reference, it’s difficult to figure out their combat speed. However, when using the spaceship argument, we have more room for discussion. I didn’t want to overly explain this method, which is why I left it open-ended. If I wanted to, I could have explained the calc can go septillion times FTL. With meta-cooler's speed feat, felt like it's redundant to hype Hatchiyack's speed more. It reaches a point that viewers can’t even comprehend such a high number. Plus, it’s better than me saying “We don’t know how fast he is” cuz I know fans won’t be satisfied with such a lame and vague answer.
3. Why did you prioritize Koyama’s opinions? He has no idea what he’s talking about?
A: To this day, many fans have mixed feelings towards his claims. Funny that for certain topics, people have no issues using Koyama’s opinions. Only to ignore it when it goes against one’s premise. Regardless, while I too have my thoughts, I still wish to acknowledge his perspective. My videos will have a biased take. But I still try my best to establish thresholds for Hatchiyack scaling to reach some middle ground interpretation of what was his intentions without the convoluted lore scaling.
4. Are the other versions of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans official?
A: yes, they are all officially licensed and branded to Dragon Ball. I recommend watching my Android 21 video. The Producer for FighterZ had meetings with Toriyama, Bandai, Shueisha, and Toei for 21’s character. Hatchiyack’s character must likewise be passed and accepted by all major groups to get into the final product. Any assumptions to argue that one version of the events is less canon than the other should be disregarded.
5. What is the deal with your Super Saiyan Grade scaling Agenda?
A: I’m very blunt in debunking the notion that Super Saiyan 1 cannot be more than a 50x multiplier. Despite countless sources, people argue Grade 4 is still “regular super saiyan.” While true, it does not give the full picture. Fans love to hype up characters to outerversal, so I TRY to make arguments that can justify those claims. Power Scaling is a meta. gaining access to sources will change how we interpret stories. Otherwise, we’d still argue Goku ONLY NOW reach planet level with SSB. We just know that Goku’s mastery of Super Saiyan CAN allow him to create a spirit Bomb. Something MANY fans and the series itself believe to be impossible. Yet ironically, the games are more accurate towards that interpretation.
6. A: some minor clarifications I want to bring up. The “Hatchiyack Computer” created Ghost Raichi, but for the sake of not confusing the audience, I simply referred to Ghost Raichi as the mastermind to make the narrative summary easier to comprehend. Secondly, It was Hard to find any great gameplay footage of the Playdia game or any raw, no subtitles videos. Plus, the spanish subtitles was not 100% accurate, so I did my best to translate to the actual Jap Dialogue without it being read like broken English. If case anyone notice some likely incorrect translations shown in the video. My apologies for any possible confusion.
7. Now that you talked about Hatchiyack, Wen Bro-?
A: No.
Check out my discord server if you want to hang out with other Dragon Ball fans. As well as discussing other Power Scaling topics. Shout out and credit to the community for their assist with all the scans and footage I needed to make this project.
I didn’t know Goku pulled a Link XD
What I love about your videos is that you can go through every single version of a characters appearance throughout the Dragon Ball franchise. I know it indefinitely takes a lot of time and research, but it's alway cool to see.
short answer: Nope
Long answer: Yep
We eradicating the Saiyans with this one!
One of the most underrated DBZ Gaiden villains of all time, my boy hatchiyack.
Great video btw Numbs. Plus I really liked how you went over the Famicom & Playdia versions of him inside the games including his DB heroes variant too.
WHERE MY LORD CHILLED AT?!!!
What about him? We wouldn't know how strong he is, we know he weaker than ssj
Love these videos man, you do so much research and its fun to watch the powerscaling go so out of wack with all the iterations lol
I always appreciate your videos, Numbers. It’s so cool seeing DB animation of various qualities and from so many sources back-to-back like this.
Maybe the Broly scaling video was the friends we made along the way.
Good video man.
Excuse me, Numbers? Can you please do a Video about Vegeta or Cell? As I really want to see you point out some or all of the flaws that Vegeta or Cell has in addition to you detailing how strong either of them would have been too.
You put so much work into your videos going through all the lore like games and promos, I can’t help but appreciate them ❤
Great video!
Numbers, did you forget to mention about Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle's Quest Mode's version of Doctor Raichi, Dr. Raichi's Monster Minions, the rest of the Ghost Warriors, and Hatchiyack? And also some pretty important information from Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 too?
I am aware of Dokkan Battle's Boss Gauntlet that so happens to recreate the story via gameplay. It's simply known as Hero Extermination Plan but it does not have any cutscenes I'm aware of. I have done my own plot summary notes regarding Quest Mode but unless there is some recent update, I don't recall him appearing specifically in Quest Mode. Even if there was a Event recreation, I would only add another two sentence mention of it just like with Ultimate Mission 1 and 2.
As for Raging Blast 2, I already used the 2010 Remake and I have photos of his Bio in the game but it simply talks more about how he was a Supercomputer, overexposed to Grudges that transformed him. He has no extra game dialogue, which is what I used for the intro and I try not to use gameplay menus since its as reliable as the DBZ trading cards or those DBZ wafer cookie cards. I'd just be repeating info or adding minor fluff to his character. But I appreciate you pointing that out.
Well, okay then, Numbers, and thank you very much too.
Do Omega Shenron next.
Goku saying he could even be stronger than Broly is also his intro quote facing him in Raging Blast 2.
Finally it's here!
New Sub by the way. Keep it up!!!
Dope video
Still stalling for Broly, huh?
Jk. Good vid as per usual. Didn’t think Koyama made a comparison between Hatchiyack and Cell but I guess can see what he means “going by feeling.” At least for the manga version consider how much the anime hyped up Gohan and has him tanks several blasts from Cell Jrs with cell thinking just his punch would be able to harm Gohan after that. I wonder if Koyama would feel the same about Super Hatchiyack and Super Perfect Cell.
I also could see Grade 4 as either being equal to Grade 1 but maximum power since I think that’s supported by Dorothee Magazine and is more consistent with the themes of balancing stats in the story, or potentially beyond that of Grade 1. The the BoG interview I feel like there might be room for interpretation since Goku would have to “master base and SSJ” which he already did and might just be referring to mastering god ki or something else. With the Spanish guide, I have my doubts since French guides will state Turles is Goku’s brother (cause he is in the French dub) so I wonder if the Spanish dub may have influenced the Spanish guidebook in the same way. I do feel like Trunks in DBS is the only blatant example of the boost being heightened where it’s actually talked about. I also don’t know how to feel about DBS and having SSJ Rage Trunks casually shape a Spirit Bomb in the form a sword but Goku not be able to do the same. I also feel like narratively Goku never lost any purity as a Grade 1 (which was the significance of him sparing Frieza) but clearing away the rage is what allowed him to out put his power higher and more efficiently. Though I can still see Grade 4 being greater than Grade 1, I do think it is somewhat more contentious.
I was only ever aware of the 2 OVA’s and vagulely Playdia version so it’s interesting to see that he could go big, make clones and has a super form.
Also very true on Koyama pretty much spamming the same type of anti-climatic ending lol
You forgot to bring up his Motor Realism scaling(not click bait) 🗣️💯‼️
Paikuhan next?
Can ya do how powerful is zangya, how powerful is android 16 and how powerful is fu
Ok, that Super Genki Dama ending is so awesome that i have to adopt it as the true ending of the storyline in my headcanon.
Can you do how is Shallot
Missed opportunity to release this during Haloween.
>The Brolly destroyed a Galaxy meme
You mean the same Galaxy that King Kai sends Goku to? Goku literally goes to that Galaxy and it is not destroyed.
Kinda late but welcome back
Hopefully hatchiyack gets added to the new sparking zero game!!!!
YES PLEASE
In RB2 i equipped Hatchiyack with all of the upgrades to Ultimate finishers. He was literally leaving your life span hanging by a thread, HAHAHAHA. Diabolical. and should his health drop below one bar, everyone in the room is literally getting eradicated. His one hit gut punch, one tapped big villians HAHAHA. omg 😂🤣. I'm laughing just remembering all the KO's against the computer hahaha. RG2 for life, Goated.
This video is fire
We need Baby Vegeta next, he's way too slept on in even in his ssj1 form alone
Here is an interesting idea for a video. Considering the limited number of time rings, which continuities do you think are tied to each time ring?
Hatchiyack is realistically high hyper to low outer with infinite speed
Hypothetically if Hatchiyack and the movies were canon with the anime/manga Goku and Vegeta are so powerful they can finger flicker Hatchiyack and Broly. Even if they both fused.
What are you talking about
@@DizPrince I'm saying both Goku and Vegeta are so powerful now with UI and Ultra Ego transformations that they can defeat Hatchiyack and Z Broly without even trying. That's if they were canon. Even if Hatchiyack and Z Broly fused Goku and Vegeta would still probably just need to back slap the fused being and still win
@@anthonywatson1508 Yeah that's obvious, what's the point in that though. Pan's power level is so high if she landed on Earth in the Saiyan Saga she'd destroy everything. No point bringing in the current strength levels against anything in the past.
We need Baby next.
When I hear How strong is [Insert character here]
Hmm...they are rather strong
I always thought it was weird that "this character isn't canon" is considered an instant win in powerscaling. No shit Hatchiyack isn't canon. Neither is Broly but that hasn't stopped people from trying to figure out if Broly could beat Perfect Cell for the past 30 years (Spoiler Alert: Broly stomps)
That's one of my biggest pet peeves about anime powerscalers, specifically DBZ. A lot of them act like they're competent with the numbers and feats game when all they do is parrot TH-camrs like Swagkage and pull "well this character isn't canon so the canon one stomps lolol" out of their ass.
In my opinion, there's absolutely NO reason for canonicity to have any bearing on a DBZ powerscaling debate. LSSJ Broly (Not even Second Coming when he got a RIDICULOUS Zenkai that suddenly let him shitstomp Buu Saga Gohan) would neg diff Perfect Cell, and Spice would no diff 1st and 2nd Form Freeza.
While I generally enjoy your videos it will never not grind my gears that you refuse to accept that one sided continuity connections can, and do exist in many pieces of fiction including Dragon Ball.
Oh don't worry. At this point into my scaling career, it might as well be a running gag. I don't let it affect the actual content since I do at the end of the day, include that line of thinking since my videos are intentionally meant to be a Composite Profile. It'd be contradictory to make a composite scaling vid but then just including one continuity.
I only bring up the topic because people too often overlook the convoluted canonicity of franchises in general. I try my best not to cherry pick selected sources to validate my stance. Of course, this being the internet, I intentionally in a sarcastic manner, poke fun at how other scalers or debaters often argue certain stances without at least trying to acknowledge the other side that has SOME credible stance. At the end of the day, its just me having fun with my audience, as I personally have no real grudge against Koyama or Broly or the scaling community or whatever.
Although to be fair, Godzilla or Sonic existing in Dr.Slump, which is canon to DBZ makes a few scaling topics a bit awkward. 😆
Holy shit its santa clause
no fanbase is as obsessed with canon as Dragon Ball fanboys.
Please do baby The true king of the tuffles
He aint beating christmas thou
How doesn’t this have more views 😂?
He needs to be in sparking zero if not big crime😤
is the next video gonna be on android 13??
Me again, when will you the bardock video?
So grade 4 can go Kaioken time 100?
Technically yes. Not surprising tho, cuz we saw Anime Goku use Super Kaioken. Plus, in some video games, he can stack SSJ4 with Kaioken, not just SSB. Now granted, would it probably kill him? Likely yes. However, Same could be said with Blue Kaiokenx20. To be fair, we even saw how severe the side-effects were when Goku hit his limit using MUI in the anime with the purple lightning but its theoretically possible if Goku bothered to reach that higher of a combined form.
@@Numbers2133 do you think that there are grades of ssg ? We never got to see SSG Kaioken, just blue
@@black2785 Sorta? Kinda? Cuz In the manga, even UI has "levels" starting from TOP Omen, to TOP MUI, then Moro Arc Omen and MUI, to finally Granolah arc of MUI and TUI.
In outside material, Giblet in Legends can master his Dark Ki Level 3 with SSG to become even stronger. Plus, in the upcoming Xenoverse 2 DLC Story, i think Vegeta will combine Ultra Supervillain Mode ontop of SSG? If not, we do see Goku Black combine Rose with Ultra Super Villain.
Also, technically, SSB is just the evolved form of SSG, since it requires better ki control to combine two separate forms into one. Now if we mean SSG by itself? More than likely yes. Cuz Goku evolved ssj1, Manga Trunks evolved ssj2 into Rage, Cumber evolved SSj3, Xeno Goku evolved SSj4, Vegeta evolved SSB, and even heroes Goku Black and Broly evolved either into Rose 2 and 3 or LSSJ3 or God Broly.
Who knows what could SSG by itself evolve into other than just better ki control but at this point into the franchise, every new form might as well be a stand-in for the "grade form" evolution line.
@@Numbers2133 👏🏼 that was probably the best explanation I’ve heard anyone say. Your knowledge of transformations are impressive. I see Hyrounjutsu Vegeta vs (GT) Version of Goku Black in SSG Evolution form since he didn’t know how to surpass SSG into blue yet
@@Numbers2133 Anime dead Goku in heaven ,thats more durability in a mortal body then manga counterpart
He’s got a power level of 888
Christmas is OVER!!
Santa!
I know he wants to protect Broly, his baby, but no, Super Janemba let alone fat Janemba is wrecking Broly. It took SSJ3 to take down fat Janemba, and it took a buu saga level Super Saiyan Gogeta to take out Super Janemba.
Koyama is an interesting individual; he's clearly knowledgeable due to his heavy involvement in the anime and the movies' production and oftentimes keeps his estimates about character strengths more grounded than the DBZ fans ever could, but the Broly glazing is unreal. Sometimes you just have to accept that everyone has their biases, and for Koyama it is his buff broccoli man.
I wish he shows up again and turns out he cames from DBS´s Universe 3.
This may also be from the universe when Goku suffer brain damage from the fall like in the original timeline and not current DBS canon where Goku was properly loved by his family(lmao nobody cares about Radditz in any universe)
Numbers I’m sorry I lowkey did you dirty, this isn’t Creepin tho or anything.😊
Yoo this shit fire🔥🔥🔥
Barely proof of different continuities
the map thing is more then likely just a a case of ether writer having no idea of such a map rather then a intentional difference in continuity
So the movies and GT are cannon but to an extent?
Toriyama said he doesn't care about canon vs non canon when asked
This is just baby
They're both the same race, being machine mutants lile rildo
Baby is just Hatchiyack
Mannnn king Kai isn’t trust worthy when it comes to power levels. He shits his pants every time someone mentions anyone like bro shit ain’t that serious
Frieza should be Compassion
Kid Buu should be Fear
Cell should be Will
Fat Buu should be Avarice
Zeno should be Death
Future Trunks should be Hope
Hatchyiack is such a forgettable character, I legit forgot he existed until I saw this thumbnail 😭
So forgettable they re-used his backstory 2 more times on 2 different series.
So forgettable they ripped off his design at least twice.
DBZ MOVIE CHARACTERS ARE MOSTLY OP THAN THE MAIN TIMELINE.
I think cell games SS2 gohan is stronger than goku, vegeta, Trunks Piccolo combined
That's the point, otherwise all those other guys would have taken out Cell.
HEAR ME OUT!!!!!......................KRILLIN NEXT?