Even in the legends and Canon stories jedis augment all their senses and abilities they can react and move at the speed of sound and even thought that sometimes not a lot of bullets today travel around about the speed of sound so a Jedi can most definitely block and dodge current bullets And considering that laser weapons I just as fast or even faster than our current weapons until that the jedis are dodging them it's just that they are radiated by light where the bullets are not smaller when they come out and it's almost impossible for the Iman I to pick up on the bullets coming at you and but if you have the force you're most likely can
Will probably catch hell for mixing franchises like this but... Col. Jack O'Neill: "This," (tosses aside a Jaffa staff blaster) "is a weapon of terror. It is designed to intimidate your enemy. This," (holds up a P90) "is a weapon of war. It is designed to kill your enemy."
Very good example...i love how those fancy dudes in their shiny armors and boomsticks who think they are superior are mostly cannon food for SG1 in fights 😅
The blasters, both in Star Wars and SG1, do have one advantage; battle endurance. They mentioned this in the SG1 episode I referenced. Earth weapons need to be reloaded pretty frequently compared to energy weapons. Alan touches on this in this video.
fraggenaught is right, this is also touched on in the deahworlder series on HFY. energy weapons are a logistical boon for major military forces due to the fact that a single solider can carry far more ammo with far less weight then someone with a regular firearm. this eases up pressure on supply lines and allows for a faster overall force as your infantry wont be weighed down as much. on an individual level the slug thrower is a far superior weapon system and is personaly what i would carry, however if i was arming a force of platoon size or greater it would be blasters all the way.
Immediately got a flashback from a stargate episode The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulfur. We cannot think like you
@@rioyr6210 They're made out of lots of different things. lead and copper is very common for civilian use, but steel casing is much more common in military use. Other than that there is also more specialised bullets made out of different combinations in different ways, from polymer casings and/or cores, to lead-steel cores with a copper jackets, hell, some are even multiple pieces of various metals encased in a plastic shell. Some of the more weird bullets don't even have a proper casing. In short, bullets are made out of lots of things, but they don't use black powder anymore
Just remember, in the age of blaster, energy weapons and disruptor weaponry some people still opted to use slug throwers. And also the part where the tusken raider casually sniped a 700km/h pod racer using a slugthrower. Firearms always have a niche up their sleeve.
One word: silencers. Nobody will notice you sniping someone with a rifle with a silencer with muzzle suppression or. But every being with eyes will see that nice red/green/blue blaster bolt fly and hear the pew pew
@@HolyknightVader999 laughs in how dafuq they are gonna focus on multiple pellets fired one after another going at supersonic speeds? unless Force is just BS plot armor and everything can be answered with ''FORCE SAVED US YEET''
@@noobguy9973 They can just put up a force field in front of them to catch anything that is coming. And the Jedi have problems lifting large objects, not small bullets.
When the Jedi first attacked Mandalore, the Mandalorians used blasters until they realized that the Jedi kept reflecting the bolts back at the shooter. They swapped to the Star Wars equivalent of a firearm and fought the Jedi with those. When the Jedi tried to deflect the slugs, they just melted and turned into shrapnel and shredded the Jedi's faces.
This is exactly why a Warhammer 40k space marine bolter is way superior than any blaster. Why chose a puny plasma gun when you can fire .75 caliber, diamond tipped, armor piercing, explosive rounds.
World Man except their plasma weapons are pretty much the equivalent of firing a mini sun and with the users having a life expectancy you'd expect of using such a weapon.
@The high ground better penetration characteristics because of increased hardness? that wouldn't work, because the density of diamond is three times lower than that of lead and six times lower than those of tungsten and DU. on top of that, diamond is very brittle, so i would assume it would be prone to shattering either upon impact or upon firing.
Detonite (explosive used in thermal detonators)-tipped slugs (“Jedi Killer” rounds). Jedi swings to deflect slug, lightsaber triggers the detonite... BOOM goes the Jedi
In Legends at least, grenades are often considered a good choice as a “Jedi killer” weapon. (Or pray on their pacifistic self sacrificing behavior. Threaten innocents or their allies and they’ll perform very convenient self sacrifices!)
which would work only as surprise tactic or on very low level jedi ... anyone above Padawan will just throw anything explosive coming theyr way back in your face
@@cmdr_kai2492 They do that....in games. I remember when in Jedi Outcast, you fought a Sith without any force power and every projectile, missiles, grenade, shrapnel and bolt just push back to you by the force. It was an unwinnable battle.
ForMan Kind Incoming nerd shit because this and academy were two of the small handful of games I had growing up. The Bryar Pistol is shit, wouldn’t work against Jedi with either fire mode. I missed it when Academy came out :( The E-11 if you use the alt fire can actually spray down a reborn pretty well. He’ll deflect some shots, but a lot will get through. The Disruptor (Sniper) Rifle seems good, but those fuckin Jedi just matrix dodge it. You can do the same though by holding the use key and inputting a movement direction. The Imperial Repeater (big fuckin machine gun) wont hit anything with those projectiles because what actually manages to hit the target is deflected in groups, but the alt fire will wreck a fool because they can’t block or push it back. The DEMP (weird electric gun) can hit Jedi with the alt fire since they get caught in the zap radius. The Golan Arms Flechette rifle is insane. Don’t use the secondary fire unless you have high ground, but the regular shot will do decent chip damage because they can’t block every flechette. I’ve been one shot with it before Fuck the rocket launcher. And yeah basically all the grenades are useless. They’ll push TD’s back at you, push trip mines to activate them, and push det packs to detonate them.
They'll probably have guns by then, they have already been around for 500 years and guns are already probably as far as weapons can evolve, I mean there's railguns and laser guns but those are still guns. Plus we still have swords and stuff.
They would have to be brain dead to not know what it might be for. Granted I hope any futuristic society uses melee weapons with projectile throwers built in...... *cough* Custodes
Actually in one of the comics a anakin and obione went to a planet that used weapons like ours and when bullets hit their lights sabers they sent molten metal flying at the jedi
As a wiseman once said: some say they can outsmart heavy but I’ve yet to find one that can outsmart bullet Edit: firstly I thank y’all for almost 800 likes, secondly it causes my soul great pain to see so many people not getting the reference
If lore holds true for their armor yes. Would also explain why they never seem to run out of stormtroopers. Since injuries seem a minor matter in light of the Star Wars Universe's medical technology.
@Jerrol Hale Just because the armour itself is damaged does not mean the person wearing it is. For example many modern day plate carriers suffer catastrophic damage after taking a few rounds. Yet the soldiers wearing them often suffer little more than bruising and or cracked bones. Painful certainty but not lethal in the slightest.
meinefressekeineahnung wieichdenkackkanalnennensoll Not really, assuming you mean that the rebels intend to kill the stormtroopers. Most rebel troops were simple people, not hardened killers, and not having to deal with another’s death is an easy choice. If anything, knowing that your enemy is likely to not kill you would make the average stormtrooper go easy on the average rebel (we all know about their infamous aim) which is a plus for the rebel side who can’t necessarily afford proper armor.
+The Last Outcast Same with blaster bolts.... But how many jedi actually fucking use their force powers in combat other than to throw shit. Also, force powers take immense concentration. Even your slowest buckshot is still going 900 fps+ I doubt at close range a jedi would do terribly well against a shotgun.
What you described as bulletproof vests is soft armor. Modern bullet proof plates worn for stopping rifle rounds. A crossbow won't be able to get through a sapi plate or ar500 plates. Modern armor is a little better than just kevlar.
It all depends on the theater. If you're a cop, you're most likely to encounter handgun fire, so Kevlar is appropriate. If you're a soldier in a theater of war, rifle rounds are your biggest concern, so you'd go with plate armor. It's not likely you'd use ar500 plates, though. They are far too heavy. Modern soldiers wear ceramic plates that will dissipate the bullets energy and stop the round. They shatter upon impact though, so need to be replaced once they've been hit.
The only reason why a cross bolt would get through Kevlar is because it slipped through not because it can cut the fibers of the vest. If there was something in the Kevlar to stop it from slipping through the "cracks".
Hollow points are designed to mushroom upon impact and prevent over penetration. They typically create a larger wound as they go, but are less effective against soft and hard body armors
Starcloak Starside As someone who wears and uses both soft and hard body armor, it’s pretty hilarious to read some of the debates here. It’s almost as if people like to argue more than they like to actually know stuff. 😂
@@DemoDick1Right on, sometimes being in the army just ruins watching Science Fiction movies, reading reddit threads and listening misinformed youtubers. Reading it in a book and having hands on experience, spending a couple years wearing it downrange is a totally different story. It's still entertaining stuff though
Sgt. Rock to make sure I’m right-ish. Generally, it’s a Kevlar weave plate carrier that has Kevlar to slow or catch the round initially, followed by a steel layer to block the round. If the first two layers fail, there’s a second layer of Kevlar. At least with IBA or common player carriers. Am I super off base or somewhat close?
@@reverencerx873 military plates are usually ceramic, steel is cheaper but much heavier for the same protection, also the ballistic layer of kevlar is always behind the plate, the outer cover of the carrier is not ballistic material usually just a nylon cover.
In the mandalorian wars the Mandos found out that the Jedi found deflecting blaster bolts as “fun lightsaber practice” so the mandos used “slug throwers” (aka regular guns) because if a Jedi tried to deflect a bullet they’d get a bunch of shrapnel in their face blinding them while allowing other mandos to shoot and kill them
Most military armor includes a ceramic or steel trauma plate that can stop rounds that Kevlar can't alone. These would also be effective against most ancient weapons. If you get hit in the face with a warhammer however, you will still experience a significant emotional event. Remember kids, going head to head with a warhammer, the hammer ALWAYS wins!!!!
In the Canon comic Star Wars: Obi-Wan and Anakin, a bunch of primitive scavengers open fire at Obi-Wan with their slugthrowers. Obi-Wan manages to deflect the bullets with his lightsaber, but the blade causes them to melt and spray molten metal all over him. So even a Jedi's bolt deflection ability is rather ineffective against firearms.
@The high ground That stopping projectiles is possible for blasters as well. So the point that Obi-wan could just stop a bullet is mood, as he could just stop a blaster. Seeing how almost nobody stopped the much slower moving blaster, I can't imagine them stopping an even faster moving bullet.
@@Maddinhpws You need quite a lot of focus to stop projectiles. In a fight it is much easier to dodge or repel blaster fire with a lightsaber or for a more powerful jedi, with your hand. Vader used his hand the deflect blaster bolts after all. It wont be such a surprise if he can stop bullets mid air with a stronger or equal force push. For bullets, outside forces are much more of a factor than for a plasma bolt.
That's wrong. Just like the whole if magic was real idea you aren't stopping a 2000 pound JDAM from over 30,000 feet. You wouldn't even know it was coming and by the time you heard it you would find there is nothing you could do to stop it. The tactics used by star wars factions either empire or rebels are horribly outclassed by modern combat tactics. It would be a pretty open and shut battle. Look at the clone wars. Thousands of men charging in a massive line formation into the opposing forces. They would be wiped out by modern day fixed position defenses on a scale like that.
Fiction was ment to look flashy and amazing Reality was ment to do what it needs to do, it needs to be effective fast and cheap, If it's not nobody uses it and it never gets improvements and therefore is forgotten
Also bullets would go through light sabers even if it hit them, it might melt but still jedi have little armor so it would be devastating to get hit by the molten bullet.
that depends on the era with the armor, but in general yeah. the grey, dark jedi, sith empire and other non jedi force users had a habit of wearing various levels of armor.
No it wouldn't lol. A bullet from our world would just be completely vaporized with nothing going through. Slugthrowers are made of more durable materials than our bullets. In fact, an average Slugthrower is as powerful as a .50 Cal.
Serious question: Why you joined the US army? To protect your country? I would understand this. I wanted to do the same in my county until I got health issues. But as an American I wouldn't think that protecting my county has much to do with the middle east.
Apfel Schorle im currently joining the army and ny reasoning isnt to protect the u.s. its to help the innocents in the middle east way i see it how can i live happily here when other suffer over there? I understand the u.s is kinda at fault for Isis and we havent done the best job but thats not a reason not to try to help just to be careful ya know?
Counter argument: Using a projectile based weapon, even a fully automatic heavy machine gun, against an experienced force user may essentially be suicide if they are aware of your presence (and they usually are). They might not be able to absorb, deflect, or even reflect the the ammunition back with a saber at you like they do with blaster bolts, but Jedi and Sith alike have proven to have extraordinary telekinetic command over any physical object large or small. If you were to fire an entire box of ammo directly at a Jedi I don't see why they couldn't essentially raise their hand, use their force power to place a stasis field in front of them of sorts, and do pretty much exactly what Neo did in the end of The Matrix by just... holding all the bullets in place in mid-air until you're done firing, then potentially using a force push to throw all those projectiles back at you in equal terminal velocity all at once like the world's largest shotgun blast. A note about armor and materials in the start wars universe as well: Star Wars does take place in a Galaxy "far far away" which means all the metals and materials you are seeing everyone use are not metals or materials comparable to what WE have available on OUR planet. Things like copper, aluminium, or even iron might not exist in the same way in the Star Wars galaxy as it does ours, and the materials that DO exist that would be used in a similar manner may in fact have some very different properties than anything we might be familiar with. Heavy alloys like Durasteel are what a majority of armors and infrastructure are made of in the Star Wars universe, as well as even more advanced materials like Bescar in Mandalorian armor or cortosis-weaves that allow extreme resilience to energy and heat. These materials and alloys, even the non-metallic elements like Plasteel (which Darth Vader's helmet is made of), are highly advanced beyond much of our technological understanding and inevitably may hold up just as well against projectile weapons like firearms as they do against energy based weapons such as blasters. We simply don't know. Its also worth noting that you don't see someone directly hit by a blaster (as in Skin or fabric contact, not armor contact) survive very often. Because blasters are an energy based weapon not and not a kinetic one, I have a theory that Blasters are anti-personnel weapons more than anything else. Accuracy and precision in a firearm matters very, very much, because the main damage from your projectile comes from penetration at high velocities, meaning that in order to kill someone you need to target vital areas of the body were sensitive and important organs are located and can be destroyed. If you get shot in the foot with a 50. Cal bullet, you will no longer have a foot, but you may survive.. if you get shot in the chest with the same round, you will not survive. This may not matter as much with a blaster, because it truly is an ENERGY based weapon, which means that on contact with the skin it may damage the impact area of course, but the human body is highly conductive, and its very possible the energy from a blaster bolt is dispersed through a targets entire body, not just the place of impact... meaning its very possible that if you get shot in the foot with a blaster, you may very well still die almost immediately. This would make accuracy and precision less important factors in Blasters than they are in Firearms, and also may explain why stormtroopers seem to prioritize rapid fire over accuracy in the movies. The argument against Tibanna Gas and its unstable nature is partially warranted, but in the form of Blaster ammunition itself it may not be anywhere near as deadly, volatile, or dangerous to handle as you might be expecting. The reason I say this is because in our REAL history the US Military made the exact same argument when they switched from muzzle loaded firearms to cartridge based firearms. Before the the mid to late 1800's all firearms were loaded by loading in your gunpowder and ammunition separately down the front muzzle of the firearm. Though this was out of technological necessity at the time, when a cartridge based ammunition was finally designed that contained your gunpowder and your projectile at the same time, the military was really hesitant in adopting it, as they were concerned the ammunition could ignite outside the firearm and cause the person carrying the ammunition to either be severely injured or die. This was a valid concern on paper, but as we found out, it wasn't as warranted as they initially thought, discovering that it was actually very, very rare for munitions to critically fail outside the firearm it is supposed to be loaded into, and even when it did the damage an exploded round of ammunition could do didn't really have enough energy outside the firearm to be of real concern. I imagine Tibanna Gas based ammunition may have some similar factors at play. On the flipside, if you were to use a blaster in our modern world or if you were a special ops solider or an assassin of some kind, a blaster does have one interesting upside that regular firearms do not have... tracelessness. There is no projectile or round to be found at crime scene based around blaster fire. All of it is energy base, and therefore there are no forensics that can be done to trace were a projectile may have originated. This doesn't matter as much in a large scale battle, but as a smuggler or someone in an occupation that does not wish to attract attention from authorities, a blaster would be a weapon you would be able to use freely and not worry as much about evidence left behind. Anyway, that's counterarguement/short novel. Personally.... I'd much prefer the Zerg industries ZF-1.
I agree with your points, but firearms would be able to shoot a lot more bullets. The fire rate of firearms is much faster than that of a blaster. Even if one bullet can't kill you, more will be coming. Bullets also travel much faster, so it would be very difficult for a Jedi to stop and send back using telekinesis.
You missed the fact that firearms can be used for indirect fire. You calculate the drop of your projectiles, spread and then use a machinegun/section of machineguns to rain down a cone of death on a designated map coordinate. Much like artillery you can destroy or deny the enemy without committing your own troops to potential losses. The most terrifying thing is that by this stage the bullets are traveling so slow they do not make a noise. So suddenly people just start dying.
Definitely. But man I’d be curious to see how a Jedi would handle an AA-12, or even a decent semi auto shotgun, or somebody who’s real handy with a pump. 3.5” buckshot is no joke.
And high energy lasers, any stealthy weapon to make them look like peaceful protestors, this guys are not random protestors, there are trained and payed. Its a well organized sabtage, very likely run by CIA.
@Oscar Shen, you guys are insane. If you truly think the Hong Kong protestors are the bad guys, HOLY SHIT YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. The Hong Kong protestors use lazers against CAMERAS they are willing to get shot by one of the most corrupt governments in the world, and they walk around unarmed with their hands up, just to have freedom and the right to not be randomly executed for random shit like being gay, talking about the Muslim concentration camps, or anything to do with talking bad about the government. They get executed for their opinions, and they’re simply protesting, and you’re calling them violent and he’s calling them rioters. Holy shit! You guys have to be under the age of 18, there is no other way I can explain your stupid opinions. Even my Chinese friends who have relatives in China (not Hong Kong) support Hong Kong, because everyone there knows how corrupt and immoral the Chinese government is.
@@samloudy845 i was under the impression that the protests were over an extradition law that would have Hong Kong citizens extradited to China if requested which would obviously greatly harm Hong Kong citizen's freedoms.
Well when you look at the slugthrowers available in Star Wars, legends included... Good lord they are so far behind our own, especially when it comes to capacity and range.
If projectile weapon technology either never got developed as far in the first place or atrophied after the development of the blaster that would kinda make sense. We have gotten very, very good at designing firearms because they're our only real option.
The1stImmortal basically the latter reason, it's been such a long time for the Star Wars universe that any major faction used a slugthrower that they're pretty much forgotten to have existed by most citizens and even military powers. Literally the most frequent users are primitive species like the Tusken Raiders and they seem to build theirs out of scrap rather than have dedicated industry creating them.
The reason why slug throwers never had much development beyond what they are is mainly because of the ancient Rakatan Infinite Empire, who enslaved all the alien species they came in contact with, including humans. They were the first to invent the hyperdrive, starships, blasters, pretty much all the base technologies of the Star Wars universe. Those trillions of human and alien slaves? They took their masters creations and turned it against them when the Rakatans also lost their force sensitivity which weakened them greatly (their tech was mostly based from the dark side of the force). Kinda easy to skip past guns when you can steal incredibly advanced tech that's already made for you.
The slugs might melt if they touch the "lightsaber", but then, any bullets that still have momentum and still going towards the force-user, might melt and burn on their skin.
So this is completely false. There’s a certain munition that the US military uses that shoots molten copper slugs from a bomb to destroy tanks. Like modern first world military tanks. So unless the lightsaber could completely vaporize all incoming rounds, that molten slag will still be traveling at deadly velocities and rip molten holes through the target..
Even then, the way bullets parabolic rotation makes them less accurate at range not to mention shear volume of fire, even in semi automatics. What if you had 2 guys with M-16s from 45 degree difference in firing angle, mag dump on one jedi? He’s toast!
@@Nz-tm3gsyou make it sound simple, what stops it from exploding in my hand because I used tatooine gunpowder instead of american made gun powder, or mustafar "hard" metals instead of u.s. brass.
I imagine the OP meant GAU-19. Those are the ones that use .50 calibre. But I understand that for laymen, Vulcan guns are just a catch-all for any type of rotary gun rather than specifically the M61 Vulcan.
But would be horrifically complicated and expensive to make, remember the whole "cutting pieces of metal with a laser to the specific situation with a laser as ammunition" part?
@@cnlbenmc well just get ride of that unnecessary feature, seriously that's serve no purpose if you want to modify the power of the bullet speed is way easier to control, and there is no point in modifying the shape of the bullet either.
Yeah if i had to choose sound-wise between a blaster and a good ole handgun Handgun by a long shot (budum tss, to be honest i didn't intend that pun lol)
@@BennyLlama39 the 12g and .50AE are almost useless in real combat. The most effective rounds in combat are optimized out to ~400m range for personal firearms, and ~100m-40+km for various support weapons, from under barrel grenade launchers DMRs, Recoilless rifles and RPGs to rocket assisted artillery shells, guided missiles and ICBMs.
While a pump action loaded with double aught would ruin a Sith's day, you need to study up on your modern firearms. Hollow points don't shatter. They mushroom and expand, increasing surface area to increase kinetic energy transfer into the target and increase the size of the wound channel. They also tend to have less penetration against armor.
@@connormcconnell7881 which even further underscores his lack of knowledge. What was shown was the G2 Radically Invasive Projectile. It fragments, and like all fragmentary ammunition it is both against Geneva Convention (so the military doesn't usually stock it) and it has very poor armor penetration. Just like regular hollow point.
@@connormcconnell7881 Those are G2 Radically Invasive Projectile rounds. They're against Geneva Convention and they don't penetrate armor. They are a type of fragmentation round. Which is why the military doesn't use them. Again showcasing the lack of weapons knowledge of this channel.
@@realtalk4real243 if he's going to make videos like this then he needs to get his research done so he has his facts straight. Mistaking a POS gimmick like RIP ammo for an honest hollow point--while making a video about military technology--is borderline unforgivable. And I did point out that RIP can't penetrate although I was referring mostly to armor, conventional or scifi. I'll stick to my Federal HST or Hornady Critical for my EDC, thanks.
You have my instant approval as a fellow GÜÑ enthusiast! Also, expanded universe novels(namely the Han Solo stories) actually do contain traditional firearms akin to what we use today
Yeah I've never understood the idea that hollow points are inhumane or unsafe, granted if you miss and hit a piece of metal the resulting fragmentation can be rather hazardous. But all in all, it's better to shoot someone with a hollow point.
@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 hollow points give you a slow death. A shot to the brain doesnt ki you instantly even wtih hollow points, infact hollow points make death more painful
@@dreadfulbadger Talk to your victim and see if they agree, 😂. I’d rather be left with time to seek medical attention and reflect on my life and loved ones.
@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 I’m sure the person getting nailed with tons of small shrapnel would disagree. Clean entry/exit seems more humane but that’s just me.
FYI, the blaster control in the Star Wars universe is much lower than America’s gun control. Almost everyone just carries these things like Smartphones!
Commander Knight Of course. There’s crime, poverty, gang affiliation and slavery going about the Galaxy. One of the most safest planets I know so far is Endor and it’s filled with innocent Ewok tribes.
Could you really blame them most of the galaxy isn't under a central power. The galaxy as a whole can't go five years with out an intergalactic war. And crime syndicates have way to much power.
I think that depends on the planet. Many of the planets we see in star wars are very dangerous places and many of them don't even have a stabile government. This results in a pretty wild west like culture. But if you'd go to more civilized places like canto bite, naboo or the higher levels of coruscant, you probably wouldn't find many people with blasters.
Modern armor isn’t Kevlar, but is actually ceramic composites layered over steel plates. Also there are ways of making Kevlar low velocity puncture proof
Science has show, the best weapons to use at Jedi/ Sith when able to locate at a personal safe distance is... Orbital missile fire, a few 10's of thousand dead civilians and the destruction of a few square kilometers of city landscape is a small price to pay to kill a Sith.
Except that the science is wrong, slug throwers are not better than blasters against Jedi as the premises on which that argument is based are nonsense. Blaster bolts aren't slow, and lightsabres can deflect slug throwers. The blaster than can switch between positive and negative charges argument is also nonsense as it shows that the person who came up with it has no understanding of lightsabres. Lightsabres are more of a mystical weapon than a technological one, and their ability to deflect blaster bolts has nothing to do with the technological parts and everything to do with the mystical elements. Hence why some of the precursors to lightsabres, such as the swords (and other close combat weapons) made by the ancient Je'Daii and the Sith Alchemical swords (which have no technological components) can also deflect blaster bolts.
@@ikochomi3070 Both in the old EU, and in Disney's new canon, lightsabres are mystical weapons. While my answer specifically looks at older lore, the new lore is pretty similar.
Who would win? Highly advanced weapons, designed for war, shooting blaster bolts which can burn through most things; A barrel with a trigger and a grip which basically shoots metal.
Guns are highly advanced weapons designed for war -_- a blaster is an over powered flash light with no advantage when compared to a firearm. It's actually lacking in most areas. I cant think of a single reason why any ACTUAL military would adopt a blaster for general infantry. It'd be better on vehicles and even then, all you did was overheat the enemies vehicle, you probably didnt kill its crew. You know what can be replaced? Vehicles. Know what's way harder to replace? Skilled, well trained crews meant to operate said vehicle. The germans learned that with the luftwaffe.
But have you seen the inner workings of guns dude? They're marvels of engineering compacted into a hand-held killing device All the bits and pieces doing exactly what they need to do, and anything without purpose or is a liability is tossed out Working together to launch a fast moving projectile with the intent to disable an opponent
the big thing for blasters, i think, is ammo capacity (it takes up less space per "shot" and can be any shape you want) and logistics. When supplying rifles, pistols, artillery, autocannons, etc, you just need to buy tibanna gas in bulk instead of needing specific ammunition. And all that ammunition has to be thrown out if you change gun calibers
@@DomR1997 Buddy I don't think you know what a blaster bolt can do to someone do you? Go do some research on what a blaster bolts dose and come back, but this time don't be so narcissistic about it, try to be respectable about your arguments.
There are actually rules for firearms in the various SW RPG's. They are far more common in the outerrim than expected, even some hightech variants like smartguns with homing ammunition exist.
About the armor part, kevlar can't stop rifle caliber bullets or crossbow bolts, yes, but we also have plate carrier vests that have pouches for RHA steel plates that do protect from stuff like .223, at least for the first few bullets. A crossbow also can't penetrate that.
If it's literally anything other then ceramic it'll stop any amount of rounds that it's rated for as long as they don't hit the same spot which would be well very rare
Aleph Kasai rare in a combat situation anyway, let's be honest there's a lot of people out there who buy said armour just to see how many bullets does it take before it fails.
Think about it, one well made EMP could disable almost a whole army or navy in Star Wars because of the reliance on Energy based weapons. Both in space and ground battles if you are using firearms or artillery you don't worry about that as well as get all the benefits mentioned in the video. the book DUNE also points this out.
Yep, dune is so advanced something melee combat is viable again. It’s like Necron ships in 40k not using shields because they’re used to weapons so high tech that shields would just be redundant, so when humans basically „throw rocks“ at them(torpedoes,cannons) the lack of shields just allows these weapons to be hella effective.
Actually, most bulletproof vests are plate carriers that carry ceramic or steel plates. Anti shrapnel "pockets" for those plates are usually from kevlar.
@@lilpuro2152 most armor is made out of plastic like material that helps absorb blaster bolts, unless they’re wearing mandalorian armor the bullet should shatter there armor
I thought it was funny that he showed G2 RIP ammo when he said hollow point, but honestly I like this video! Pretty fucking hilarious imagining a squad of Marines mag dumping Ki-Adi Mundi
@@D00dman ki adi mundi would deserve an entire platoon magdumping him, he was a psychopathic piece of shit and many useless deaths were caused from him
4:47 considering that lightsabers dont melt everything around them when theyre activated, theyre cool enough that they wouldnt have the time to vaporize the bullet. At best the round would get melted if its a lead core bullet, which could improve armor performance against the bullet. But any steel core bullet would just go right through with maybe the copper jacket getting heated up significantly.
There's actually a very similar situation to this in Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans. Because energy weapons have become so useless against modern mobile suit armor, all of the mobile suits just use old-fashioned oversized firearms so they can actually damage mobile suit armor, and the scariest projectiles in the series are actually super-hard railgun rounds.
"...Molten metal at the Jedi." I believe this is canon, seeing as if I'm ready right mandolorians switched from blasters to normal firearms at some point to fight Jedi, as if the Jedi try to block the shots, it'll spray into their faces.
Its actually hilarious to think that if the seperatists just made one line of our primitive guns they would've ended the war in a few days, troopers wouldn't have been able to see where they were getting shot from for the first time and jedi would have been useless
Troopers would be able to see where they were being shot at from though. Especially at night. Remember, even with a flash hider, muzzle flash is quite common and inevitable with conventional firearms. Also, in closer combat engagements with a bunch of 3 dimensional obsticles in the way, like the fungal forests of Felucia, or the skyscrapers of Christophsis, there are fewer places to get a good vantage point, or firing angle. Which means less area to scan for hostile targets. Similar to what modern US troops had to do in Iraq and Afghanistan. Truthfully I think the only advantages a modern firearm would give you in Star Wars is relatively cheap ammunition and the ability to kill Jedi and Sith faster and easier than a blaster.
@@williamthehuntsman So it’s less obvious than a blaster plus it’s way faster than 75 miles per hour. And for Close range use a assault rifle a full auto matic weapon rather than semi.
When it comes to real life guns I find myself really admiring the Steyr AUG. Its versatile and modular, its reliable, alot of the parts could be 3D printed because of how it was made, the bullpup design means you can acquire targets quickly and stay on target for longer without getting tired, there is evidently very little recoil, you can instantly switch barrels without needing any tools out in the field, the simplistic design makes cleaning easy, the proprietary magazines last longer than STANAG mags (but you can still use M4/AR15 ones with the NATO stock), the short stroke gas piston means it handles heat better than an M4 AND its adjustable so you can still fire it with low quality ammo without it jamming, the bullpup layout also means you can fit a long barrel in a small space, and imo it just looks awesome. The downsides are its expensive, parts arent impossible to get but still not as easy to get as for an AR15/M16, some people just hate bullpups for various reasons, and the stock trigger is about 9lbs so not great.
0:44 when he mentioned a “50 cal revolver,” I paused the video and typed “50 cal” in the TH-cam search bar and it filled in “revolver” I can’t remember what it was, but this same thing happened to me a couple days ago. I was watching a video and they mentioned something mid way that had nothing to do with the topic. I searched part of what they said and TH-cam filled in the rest... it was oddly specific
only reason blasters are slow is for the audience to see the shot. I think that in reality the blaster would have no recoil and hit the target the same instant you pull the trigger, and you could probably charge it the wall socket.
@@Ally5141 I explained why Blaster Bolts are faster. For one, common sense. These guys are 1000X more advanced than us, you don't think they can propel a bolt faster than a human can throw a ball? Even a 14 year old can dodge that, yet trained troopers in SW can't. This leads me to believe that blaster bolts are actually faster than they appear on screen. Also, you can't see bullets yes, but that's because they are small and not very bright. Blaster bolts are bright as hell, put a tracer on a bullet and they appear to move around the same speed as a blaster bolt.
@@Ally5141 Also, Jedi can dodge a rifle round because they don't need to react to the gun, they aren't batters waiting for the ball to come. They have Precognition and know where you are going to fire a bullet or bolt before you even pull the trigger.
I've fucking been saying this for ages! But hey, that's why star wars is science fantasy and not science fiction. 80% of its technology is absolutely senseless :D This is the post I make that blows up? Really?
@@MikhaelAhava I've had people argue it with me. It's part of why I left my old DnD group and joined a new one. I would pull up entire essays on it online and this one lady would still argue it. She had to be right about everything, drove me bonkers!
Ahhh but this is working off the assumptyion that the fantsay is real and when fantasy ebcomes real the current reality utterly submits. Let's be real other tehn range a blaster does evcerything better then a gun
@@alexanerose4820 Star Wars physics are the same as ours though Alex. Even going by the lore, the blasters still aren't better. They say they're more advanced, but dont give a reason why beyond "it's a laser gun". Like he said: specialized ammo types, range, durability, ease of repair, sheer stopping power, time to impact, extended automatic fire, even the odds of a kill are better with a projectile. If you shoot a guy and he doesnt die right away, he might bleed out because it doesnt cauterize the wound (keeping enemies alive in a war is detrimental). And your bullet doesnt have a chance of exploding if you drop it. These are all things firearms do better. You cant use the EU to save you from this, the expanded universe was disbanded. What we're now left with are op flash lights that are redundant until you reach anti vehicle weaponry, and even then it'd most likely need to be mounted on a vehicle itself. Blasters are cool and flashy, but not scientifically sound as far as a general infantry weapon goes. That's why its science fantasy instead of science fiction. Because it's not grounded in reality. Which is ok. I dont know why star wars fans need their franchise to be the best at everything all the time. It's not. It lacks in a lot of areas. Almost any that involve common sense actually. That's not a dig at star wars either, lots of franchises are like that. But the story is amazing and that's really all that counts when it comes to science fantasy. A great story.
Holly sht it just hit me that a gun would be op in star wars and a jedi couldn’t humanly stop it. *Loads LMG with religious intent* Thanks all (my first comment over 100 likes 😁😁😁)
They would disassemble your gun with the force before you had a chance to fire a single bullet. I'm pretty sure Jedi could adapt to combat with firearms: they'd just have to use less of fancy deflections and more of their force powers.
A Jedi can still sense the incoming danger and has the ability to slow time around themselves if needed. For me this is just the same deal as blasters when dealing with jedi
4:45 I'm pretty sure their was a legends comic where a Jedi light saber hit a bullet. It was turned into molten shrapnel and I believe it torn up their leg.
Dude, I am psychic today. Before I watched this video, I was looking at Florida Man Headlines. Then you show one. Edit: It's great to get a Gen. Tech video on my birthday.
Me: You see that platoon of clone troopers over there? Friend: Yeah, what about 'em? Me: **Proceeds pull out an M249 and mow them all down** Friend: Jesus Christ...
@@pkxpanz3r241 Honestly. Wanna know how it would really go down? The clones armor would easily deflect the bullets making that dude go into shock, and the clones easily kill him.
@@Brendan-kx8iy wanna know what happens when bullets hit Armor? they shatter into tiny shards, and since Clones wear bare plastic for armor, if the clone is hit in his chest, his armor would shatter the bullet, and the fragments would cut the clones throat, which is why no one wears bare steel plates for armor, but usually coated in rubber. look i dont rlly care, Clones dont exist, there armor doesnt exist, its a cool and fun "what if" but you obviously care too much, and its even based in Star Wars cannon that clones armor is not very tough against "slug thowers" but was mainly focused on protecting from Blaster fire. similar to what was suggested in the video. so im not wasting my time on another reply. this is cringy
Great video as always! I read somewhere that the reason why they use blasters is a moral one similar to why hollow points are banned for military use. The wounds caused by [blasters, fmj etc] are easier to treat as casualties therefore regulating their use will make war less terrible. Also of note certain types of bayonets have been banned [ irl ] due to causing very wide lacerations that cant be effectively treated with sutures or most practical techniques, essentially aside from a tourniquet the bleeding cannot be stopped, a tourniquet can only be on for a few hours before the blood trapped in the limb goes septic and will prove fatal [and extremely painful] when it is pumped backed into the body. That is the theory behind the law as i understand it anyways whether or not you believe to be true or a good idea i leave for you to decide. Also as far as i am aware that explanation is a retcon of sorts when the original trilogy was made blasters were likely used because well sci-fi. Which is good enough for me.
I’m late, but I can explain what’d happen to a bullet on contact with a lightsaber! The tip of the bullet would sublimate (solid -> gas) due to the heat of the lightsaber, but this would happen nearly instantly, causing a small layer of vapor formed by the rapid melting and evaporation. This is the Leidenfrost effect, caused by the substance (the metal) being instantly flashed into vapor. Said vapor would slightly alter the course of the bullet, turning it so that it passes through the lightsaber mostly intact and flies off somewhat randomly. It would still hit almost as hard as a normal bullet, and wouldn’t fly too far off course. It would still keep heading towards the Jedi’s side of the battlefield, that’s for sure.
The Dishonored Coward what if you need to turn fast? Would you keep fireing and hurt your team You could turn the beam off but thats what you can do with shooting a blast after blasy
One benefit with blasters is capacity. Most charge packs are at least 30-50 shots in something like the DC-17 blaster pistol. Firearms are also meant to keep a wound open when it hits a fleshy target. Blasters are gonna probably cauterize the wound thus probably preventing bleeding.
2:22 is not necessarily true, there is a type of bullets called tracer rounds and they have phosphorus which lights up the bullet when shot, and they go just as fast if not even faster than regular bullets because they get lighter when the combustible material burns out and the bullet loses weight which means it goes faster, the fact that you can see the light doesn’t mean it’s going slow
Episode 1: Obiwan and Quaigon Jin encounter Battle Droids.
The Battle Droids pull out AK-47's.
End Credits.
The thought of battle droids with AK-47s amuses me.
I think lightsabers could still stop ak-47 bullet cause it will just melt it
@@tommymeehan5060 you can't deflect it, therefore you're unable to use it against the enemy.
@@tommymeehan5060 no the ak 47 and other guns fire rate is so fast
Lolimnub 01 do you mean muzzle velocity?
Obi-wan I have the high ground
Anakin: "pulls out Glock"
*parry this you casual*
JJ ツ he would be able
Even in the legends and Canon stories jedis augment all their senses and abilities they can react and move at the speed of sound and even thought that sometimes not a lot of bullets today travel around about the speed of sound so a Jedi can most definitely block and dodge current bullets
And considering that laser weapons I just as fast or even faster than our current weapons until that the jedis are dodging them it's just that they are radiated by light where the bullets are not smaller when they come out and it's almost impossible for the Iman I to pick up on the bullets coming at you and but if you have the force you're most likely can
@@davidspearim5552 a standart bullet too much faster than sound because of this every shot create a sonic boom
@@davidspearim5552 but laser weapons (in star wars mythos) arent faster than current weapons, in fact they are significantly slower, at 80 MPH
@@mevlutcantoraman1513 are you talking about the gunpowder when the trigger hits with bullet so no
"Bullets are impossible to dodge"
My enemies in FPS games: *laughs in dodge technician*
No, your aim is just bad.
*laughs in aimbot*
@@PrivateBryan meh, my enemies are full of hacks
@@PrivateBryan hacks that doesn't exist xD
laughs in Spider-Man
Sheev: I am the senate
Mace: **loads shotgun** say sike rn
*Barrel bends up words as Shock?*
*Loads shotgun with malicious intent*
Rainbow Vader Sheev: *force grabs two m4s*
**loads slug thrower**
You say what mate?!
**Loads Shotgun With Religious Intent**
Will probably catch hell for mixing franchises like this but...
Col. Jack O'Neill: "This," (tosses aside a Jaffa staff blaster) "is a weapon of terror. It is designed to intimidate your enemy. This," (holds up a P90) "is a weapon of war. It is designed to kill your enemy."
Why? It's a good example.
Besides, even Teal'c sees the light after a while and start using two P90's.
Every time I think about the effectiveness of typical futuristic sci-fi weapons, I think of that scene. It's brilliant, but simple.
Very good example...i love how those fancy dudes in their shiny armors and boomsticks who think they are superior are mostly cannon food for SG1 in fights 😅
The blasters, both in Star Wars and SG1, do have one advantage; battle endurance. They mentioned this in the SG1 episode I referenced. Earth weapons need to be reloaded pretty frequently compared to energy weapons. Alan touches on this in this video.
fraggenaught is right, this is also touched on in the deahworlder series on HFY. energy weapons are a logistical boon for major military forces due to the fact that a single solider can carry far more ammo with far less weight then someone with a regular firearm. this eases up pressure on supply lines and allows for a faster overall force as your infantry wont be weighed down as much. on an individual level the slug thrower is a far superior weapon system and is personaly what i would carry, however if i was arming a force of platoon size or greater it would be blasters all the way.
Obi-Wan: "I have a high ground."
Anakin: "I have a .44 magnum"
directed by George Lucas
You feeling lucky Obi Wan?
And I have a jar of dirt
Directed by Rian Johnson
@@cf714_ ruin johnson also made the least popular episode in breaking bad, fun fact
@@bigcazza5260 oh what a surprise.
Immediately got a flashback from a stargate episode
The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulfur. We cannot think like you
Back when they were fighting that assimilation hoard cyber bugs right? I remembered them saying how effective Earth's primative weapons are.
Man that show is under rated.
Veikkaan että oot suomalainen.
pretty sure bullets are made of lead and copper and would not be shooting black powder
@@rioyr6210 They're made out of lots of different things. lead and copper is very common for civilian use, but steel casing is much more common in military use.
Other than that there is also more specialised bullets made out of different combinations in different ways, from polymer casings and/or cores, to lead-steel cores with a copper jackets, hell, some are even multiple pieces of various metals encased in a plastic shell. Some of the more weird bullets don't even have a proper casing.
In short, bullets are made out of lots of things, but they don't use black powder anymore
Just remember, in the age of blaster, energy weapons and disruptor weaponry some people still opted to use slug throwers. And also the part where the tusken raider casually sniped a 700km/h pod racer using a slugthrower. Firearms always have a niche up their sleeve.
Those people were poor and no other option. It's an outdated form of weaponry.
@@ranfan1820 outdated doesn’t necessarily mean ineffective.
@@cardinalchaos2278 nukes are pretty old
and boy are they effective
One word: silencers. Nobody will notice you sniping someone with a rifle with a silencer with muzzle suppression or. But every being with eyes will see that nice red/green/blue blaster bolt fly and hear the pew pew
Sith: “You’ve come to the wrong place, fool”
Me, maybe some friends: *loads Vector with malicious intent*
Day R correction:
MULTIPLE MG42
NYET, AK IS ALL U NEED BLYAT
Can’t they use the force to just throw the bullets back at you?
Oh! Another Vector guy! I was starting to think I was alone! Bruh xD
YOU PICKED THE WRONG HOUSE FOOL
Jedi: ill just deflect your bullets
Me: laughs in AA12 with a drum mag
Jedi: *Laughs in Jedi Code as they redirect your bullets back at you with the Force*
FM4 92 dual wield
@@HolyknightVader999 laughs in how dafuq they are gonna focus on multiple pellets fired one after another going at supersonic speeds? unless Force is just BS plot armor and everything can be answered with ''FORCE SAVED US YEET''
@@noobguy9973 They can just put up a force field in front of them to catch anything that is coming. And the Jedi have problems lifting large objects, not small bullets.
@@HolyknightVader999 ok so Force is BS plot armor got it
When the Jedi first attacked Mandalore, the Mandalorians used blasters until they realized that the Jedi kept reflecting the bolts back at the shooter. They swapped to the Star Wars equivalent of a firearm and fought the Jedi with those. When the Jedi tried to deflect the slugs, they just melted and turned into shrapnel and shredded the Jedi's faces.
Is this cannon in any video game or novel, EU or new canon?
@@charlottewolery558 the are canon, ma they’re called slugshooters
@@charlottewolery558the story is EU, but the Slugthrowers is also in new canon
And the mandalorians still got smoked
Obi Won, when he sees a blaster: So uncivilized.
Obi Won, when he sees an M1911: Hello there
certainly a more civilized weapon then the Glock
Anakin with twin blasters: M A T R I X
TwO wOrLD WArS
Kenobi would be like that but we all know that 9mm is the best for a carry
Big Boss after EVA giving to him a M1911: *Proceds to give a documentary about this gun and how it is a piece of art.
This is exactly why a Warhammer 40k space marine bolter is way superior than any blaster. Why chose a puny plasma gun when you can fire .75 caliber, diamond tipped, armor piercing, explosive rounds.
World Man except their plasma weapons are pretty much the equivalent of firing a mini sun and with the users having a life expectancy you'd expect of using such a weapon.
*.90 caliber
or so I've heard
The high ground it’s actually a adamantium tip for Armour piercing
@The high ground
better penetration characteristics because of increased hardness? that wouldn't work, because the density of diamond is three times lower than that of lead and six times lower than those of tungsten and DU. on top of that, diamond is very brittle, so i would assume it would be prone to shattering either upon impact or upon firing.
@@eyeballpapercut4400 it's ,75.
Detonite (explosive used in thermal detonators)-tipped slugs (“Jedi Killer” rounds). Jedi swings to deflect slug, lightsaber triggers the detonite... BOOM goes the Jedi
In Legends at least, grenades are often considered a good choice as a “Jedi killer” weapon. (Or pray on their pacifistic self sacrificing behavior. Threaten innocents or their allies and they’ll perform very convenient self sacrifices!)
which would work only as surprise tactic or on very low level jedi ... anyone above Padawan will just throw anything explosive coming theyr way back in your face
@@Asghaad Because they do that all the time.
@@cmdr_kai2492 They do that....in games. I remember when in Jedi Outcast, you fought a Sith without any force power and every projectile, missiles, grenade, shrapnel and bolt just push back to you by the force. It was an unwinnable battle.
ForMan Kind Incoming nerd shit because this and academy were two of the small handful of games I had growing up.
The Bryar Pistol is shit, wouldn’t work against Jedi with either fire mode. I missed it when Academy came out :(
The E-11 if you use the alt fire can actually spray down a reborn pretty well. He’ll deflect some shots, but a lot will get through.
The Disruptor (Sniper) Rifle seems good, but those fuckin Jedi just matrix dodge it. You can do the same though by holding the use key and inputting a movement direction.
The Imperial Repeater (big fuckin machine gun) wont hit anything with those projectiles because what actually manages to hit the target is deflected in groups, but the alt fire will wreck a fool because they can’t block or push it back.
The DEMP (weird electric gun) can hit Jedi with the alt fire since they get caught in the zap radius.
The Golan Arms Flechette rifle is insane. Don’t use the secondary fire unless you have high ground, but the regular shot will do decent chip damage because they can’t block every flechette. I’ve been one shot with it before
Fuck the rocket launcher.
And yeah basically all the grenades are useless. They’ll push TD’s back at you, push trip mines to activate them, and push det packs to detonate them.
Florida isn't a place, its a state of mind.
Glaydson Coelho wrong that's Ohio
The fabled "Florida Man" can be found all over the country.
Curien247 Word.
@Glaydson Coelho no that's opioids
the florida man is a specie
Just imagine a thousand years from now, Archeologists discovers the ancient Glock, M9, M4, and whatever else in the graves and wondered what it did.
They'll probably have guns by then, they have already been around for 500 years and guns are already probably as far as weapons can evolve, I mean there's railguns and laser guns but those are still guns. Plus we still have swords and stuff.
They would have to be brain dead to not know what it might be for. Granted I hope any futuristic society uses melee weapons with projectile throwers built in......
*cough*
Custodes
Actually in one of the comics a anakin and obione went to a planet that used weapons like ours and when bullets hit their lights sabers they sent molten metal flying at the jedi
Some obscure star wars comic i presume.
@@Razor-gx2dq no its canon
@Jakonate it's one of the prequel comics
That's why you want armour.
Did the comic show how efficient the guns would be against droids? (I think they would go outdated the moment a droid army is introduced)
Anakin: I am the chosen one! You cannot kill me!
Me: *unloads an M16 mag on him*
Always imagined it would go something like that
Or spray him with an MG42.
@@phillipcaihoang8845 double epic
Phillip CaiHoang nah you should try a a10 warthog
*mag dumps
As a wiseman once said: some say they can outsmart heavy but I’ve yet to find one that can outsmart bullet
Edit: firstly I thank y’all for almost 800 likes, secondly it causes my soul great pain to see so many people not getting the reference
Dodge.
@@ultralinguistics3083 your gonna dodge a gun that fires 600 rounds per minute?
Wall
@@sodsurendunkhorol1576 Obviously.
@@ultralinguistics3083 well i applaud you good sir
If earth was in star wars id imagine wed be the galaxys top slugtrower manufacturer aka we make guns for the rest of the galaxy
We would be rich because our entire planet could be a main slugthrower manufacturer and we'd get more income similar to the clones on kamino
Tatooine better hope no oil is discovered
@@balllicker942 😂
@@balllicker942 ooh there would be tho because it was once a planet like earth before it was glassed
Ak-47 wielding mandalorians would be commonplace
Regarding Stormtrooper armour: Does this mean that most Stormtroopers we see get shot & fall down really aren't dead, just stunned? 💀
If lore holds true for their armor yes. Would also explain why they never seem to run out of stormtroopers. Since injuries seem a minor matter in light of the Star Wars Universe's medical technology.
@Jerrol Hale Just because the armour itself is damaged does not mean the person wearing it is. For example many modern day plate carriers suffer catastrophic damage after taking a few rounds. Yet the soldiers wearing them often suffer little more than bruising and or cracked bones. Painful certainty but not lethal in the slightest.
Yes
If that were the case, the rebels would really be fucking morons
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Not really, assuming you mean that the rebels intend to kill the stormtroopers. Most rebel troops were simple people, not hardened killers, and not having to deal with another’s death is an easy choice. If anything, knowing that your enemy is likely to not kill you would make the average stormtrooper go easy on the average rebel (we all know about their infamous aim) which is a plus for the rebel side who can’t necessarily afford proper armor.
watch a jedi try to deflect all the buck shot from a 12 ga shot gun.
caatabatic, actually "shatter gun pellets" were an issue for them in Legends.
I haven't seen it yet, thanks.
The Jedi can just use the force to stop the bullets.
+The Last Outcast Same with blaster bolts.... But how many jedi actually fucking use their force powers in combat other than to throw shit. Also, force powers take immense concentration. Even your slowest buckshot is still going 900 fps+ I doubt at close range a jedi would do terribly well against a shotgun.
Which is why they would simply pull the weapon from their hand using the force.
What you described as bulletproof vests is soft armor. Modern bullet proof plates worn for stopping rifle rounds. A crossbow won't be able to get through a sapi plate or ar500 plates. Modern armor is a little better than just kevlar.
Might catch some spalling from the arrowhead but yeah it's not getting through.
@@natesmith2408 I don't think it would spall man
It all depends on the theater. If you're a cop, you're most likely to encounter handgun fire, so Kevlar is appropriate. If you're a soldier in a theater of war, rifle rounds are your biggest concern, so you'd go with plate armor. It's not likely you'd use ar500 plates, though. They are far too heavy. Modern soldiers wear ceramic plates that will dissipate the bullets energy and stop the round. They shatter upon impact though, so need to be replaced once they've been hit.
Yeah, good luck with that, buddy.
The only reason why a cross bolt would get through Kevlar is because it slipped through not because it can cut the fibers of the vest.
If there was something in the Kevlar to stop it from slipping through the "cracks".
Hollow points are designed to mushroom upon impact and prevent over penetration. They typically create a larger wound as they go, but are less effective against soft and hard body armors
"Who needs courage when you have...a gun!"-Professor Farnsworth.
No world, you put YOUR hands up!
Lol
4:52
Contrary. Kevlar is great and all, but it’s the ceramic plating that affords the most protection.
Starcloak Starside As someone who wears and uses both soft and hard body armor, it’s pretty hilarious to read some of the debates here. It’s almost as if people like to argue more than they like to actually know stuff. 😂
@@DemoDick1Right on, sometimes being in the army just ruins watching Science Fiction movies, reading reddit threads and listening misinformed youtubers. Reading it in a book and having hands on experience, spending a couple years wearing it downrange is a totally different story. It's still entertaining stuff though
Sgt. Rock to make sure I’m right-ish. Generally, it’s a Kevlar weave plate carrier that has Kevlar to slow or catch the round initially, followed by a steel layer to block the round. If the first two layers fail, there’s a second layer of Kevlar. At least with IBA or common player carriers. Am I super off base or somewhat close?
@@reverencerx873 military plates are usually ceramic, steel is cheaper but much heavier for the same protection, also the ballistic layer of kevlar is always behind the plate, the outer cover of the carrier is not ballistic material usually just a nylon cover.
@@DemoDick1 So what's your opinion of that? Any extra details?
Someone: Why do you use a slugthrower?
Me: THIS AINT NO SLUGTHROWER! THIS IS A FIREARM!
Also I got a Concealed Carry Ad at the end of video
Well I mean it brought me here.
In the mandalorian wars the Mandos found out that the Jedi found deflecting blaster bolts as “fun lightsaber practice” so the mandos used “slug throwers” (aka regular guns) because if a Jedi tried to deflect a bullet they’d get a bunch of shrapnel in their face blinding them while allowing other mandos to shoot and kill them
This is why in me any my friend's Star Wars RP my Mandalorian carries a variety of Slug thrower weapons, practicality.
"This is why in me any my" - cerberus144 A quote for the ages! Words to live by right there!
@@danielduncan6806 lmao
Most military armor includes a ceramic or steel trauma plate that can stop rounds that Kevlar can't alone. These would also be effective against most ancient weapons. If you get hit in the face with a warhammer however, you will still experience a significant emotional event. Remember kids, going head to head with a warhammer, the hammer ALWAYS wins!!!!
for the motherland!
In the Canon comic Star Wars: Obi-Wan and Anakin, a bunch of primitive scavengers open fire at Obi-Wan with their slugthrowers. Obi-Wan manages to deflect the bullets with his lightsaber, but the blade causes them to melt and spray molten metal all over him. So even a Jedi's bolt deflection ability is rather ineffective against firearms.
@The high ground But in episode 7 we can see how that nephew (?) of Anakin uses the force to stop a blaster bolt mid flight.
@The high ground That stopping projectiles is possible for blasters as well. So the point that Obi-wan could just stop a bullet is mood, as he could just stop a blaster. Seeing how almost nobody stopped the much slower moving blaster, I can't imagine them stopping an even faster moving bullet.
@@Maddinhpws You need quite a lot of focus to stop projectiles. In a fight it is much easier to dodge or repel blaster fire with a lightsaber or for a more powerful jedi, with your hand. Vader used his hand the deflect blaster bolts after all. It wont be such a surprise if he can stop bullets mid air with a stronger or equal force push. For bullets, outside forces are much more of a factor than for a plasma bolt.
Maybe the lightsaber would just vaporize the bullet?
Kevlar can’t stop melees and crossbows
Me: laughs in lv4 hardplates
A 50BMG incendiary round could really F up your day though .
@@lordofpain3476 Dude, screw the incendiary round! Use a black tip armor piercing round!
Why is the Ki adi mundi getting Shot by Real guns montage so satisfying
I just find it hilarious
Fot67 US marines are the second most powerful warriors in the world, after gamers of course
Imagine how confused Jedi would be if modern Earth soldiers showed up with modern firearms and just destroying anyone in ground combat.
They wouldn't help in a fight against force users and most Storm and army Troopers.
lancer737 why pal? 🤔
TO make sure the Jedis are VERY DUMB when thinking firearms are obsolete!
That's wrong. Just like the whole if magic was real idea you aren't stopping a 2000 pound JDAM from over 30,000 feet. You wouldn't even know it was coming and by the time you heard it you would find there is nothing you could do to stop it.
The tactics used by star wars factions either empire or rebels are horribly outclassed by modern combat tactics. It would be a pretty open and shut battle. Look at the clone wars. Thousands of men charging in a massive line formation into the opposing forces. They would be wiped out by modern day fixed position defenses on a scale like that.
Fiction was ment to look flashy and amazing
Reality was ment to do what it needs to do, it needs to be effective fast and cheap, If it's not nobody uses it and it never gets improvements and therefore is forgotten
jedi can play mind trick to outsmart me. maybe, maybe.
i've yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet.
boolet*
Genius
Heavy weapon guy
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Also bullets would go through light sabers even if it hit them, it might melt but still jedi have little armor so it would be devastating to get hit by the molten bullet.
All the more reason to use explosive rounds :D
Molten rain from an ak
that depends on the era with the armor, but in general yeah.
the grey, dark jedi, sith empire and other non jedi force users had a habit of wearing various levels of armor.
One word from a heartless with, hollow points!
No it wouldn't lol. A bullet from our world would just be completely vaporized with nothing going through. Slugthrowers are made of more durable materials than our bullets. In fact, an average Slugthrower is as powerful as a .50 Cal.
Hey you should do why a Modern US trooper vs Your Average clone trooper.
Clone trooper. If you want me to explain how clones are the best, then I'll do it later.
Average Combat US Troop vs Clone. Combat Troops get much different training than standard non combat troops
MR Moon, thanks for the salt, my chips needed it. Sincerely, a US soldier.
Serious question: Why you joined the US army? To protect your country? I would understand this. I wanted to do the same in my county until I got health issues. But as an American I wouldn't think that protecting my county has much to do with the middle east.
Apfel Schorle im currently joining the army and ny reasoning isnt to protect the u.s. its to help the innocents in the middle east way i see it how can i live happily here when other suffer over there? I understand the u.s is kinda at fault for Isis and we havent done the best job but thats not a reason not to try to help just to be careful ya know?
Counter argument:
Using a projectile based weapon, even a fully automatic heavy machine gun, against an experienced force user may essentially be suicide if they are aware of your presence (and they usually are). They might not be able to absorb, deflect, or even reflect the the ammunition back with a saber at you like they do with blaster bolts, but Jedi and Sith alike have proven to have extraordinary telekinetic command over any physical object large or small. If you were to fire an entire box of ammo directly at a Jedi I don't see why they couldn't essentially raise their hand, use their force power to place a stasis field in front of them of sorts, and do pretty much exactly what Neo did in the end of The Matrix by just... holding all the bullets in place in mid-air until you're done firing, then potentially using a force push to throw all those projectiles back at you in equal terminal velocity all at once like the world's largest shotgun blast.
A note about armor and materials in the start wars universe as well: Star Wars does take place in a Galaxy "far far away" which means all the metals and materials you are seeing everyone use are not metals or materials comparable to what WE have available on OUR planet. Things like copper, aluminium, or even iron might not exist in the same way in the Star Wars galaxy as it does ours, and the materials that DO exist that would be used in a similar manner may in fact have some very different properties than anything we might be familiar with. Heavy alloys like Durasteel are what a majority of armors and infrastructure are made of in the Star Wars universe, as well as even more advanced materials like Bescar in Mandalorian armor or cortosis-weaves that allow extreme resilience to energy and heat. These materials and alloys, even the non-metallic elements like Plasteel (which Darth Vader's helmet is made of), are highly advanced beyond much of our technological understanding and inevitably may hold up just as well against projectile weapons like firearms as they do against energy based weapons such as blasters. We simply don't know.
Its also worth noting that you don't see someone directly hit by a blaster (as in Skin or fabric contact, not armor contact) survive very often. Because blasters are an energy based weapon not and not a kinetic one, I have a theory that Blasters are anti-personnel weapons more than anything else. Accuracy and precision in a firearm matters very, very much, because the main damage from your projectile comes from penetration at high velocities, meaning that in order to kill someone you need to target vital areas of the body were sensitive and important organs are located and can be destroyed. If you get shot in the foot with a 50. Cal bullet, you will no longer have a foot, but you may survive.. if you get shot in the chest with the same round, you will not survive. This may not matter as much with a blaster, because it truly is an ENERGY based weapon, which means that on contact with the skin it may damage the impact area of course, but the human body is highly conductive, and its very possible the energy from a blaster bolt is dispersed through a targets entire body, not just the place of impact... meaning its very possible that if you get shot in the foot with a blaster, you may very well still die almost immediately. This would make accuracy and precision less important factors in Blasters than they are in Firearms, and also may explain why stormtroopers seem to prioritize rapid fire over accuracy in the movies.
The argument against Tibanna Gas and its unstable nature is partially warranted, but in the form of Blaster ammunition itself it may not be anywhere near as deadly, volatile, or dangerous to handle as you might be expecting. The reason I say this is because in our REAL history the US Military made the exact same argument when they switched from muzzle loaded firearms to cartridge based firearms. Before the the mid to late 1800's all firearms were loaded by loading in your gunpowder and ammunition separately down the front muzzle of the firearm. Though this was out of technological necessity at the time, when a cartridge based ammunition was finally designed that contained your gunpowder and your projectile at the same time, the military was really hesitant in adopting it, as they were concerned the ammunition could ignite outside the firearm and cause the person carrying the ammunition to either be severely injured or die. This was a valid concern on paper, but as we found out, it wasn't as warranted as they initially thought, discovering that it was actually very, very rare for munitions to critically fail outside the firearm it is supposed to be loaded into, and even when it did the damage an exploded round of ammunition could do didn't really have enough energy outside the firearm to be of real concern. I imagine Tibanna Gas based ammunition may have some similar factors at play.
On the flipside, if you were to use a blaster in our modern world or if you were a special ops solider or an assassin of some kind, a blaster does have one interesting upside that regular firearms do not have... tracelessness. There is no projectile or round to be found at crime scene based around blaster fire. All of it is energy base, and therefore there are no forensics that can be done to trace were a projectile may have originated. This doesn't matter as much in a large scale battle, but as a smuggler or someone in an occupation that does not wish to attract attention from authorities, a blaster would be a weapon you would be able to use freely and not worry as much about evidence left behind.
Anyway, that's counterarguement/short novel. Personally.... I'd much prefer the Zerg industries ZF-1.
PhantomSavage not reading that
@@SemD2005 He's just introducing some ideas from his doctorate thesis.
damn how does this only have 11 likes
@@kristoferslintak879 Oh yeah, a big nerdy sci fi youtube channel, ripe with discussions on fictional tech, and somehow HE'S the geek. Fair.
I agree with your points, but firearms would be able to shoot a lot more bullets. The fire rate of firearms is much faster than that of a blaster. Even if one bullet can't kill you, more will be coming. Bullets also travel much faster, so it would be very difficult for a Jedi to stop and send back using telekinesis.
Imagine Droidekas with quad AR-15s.
Miniguns
M3 browning .50 cal
Those are semi automatic guns arent they? Would make a shit battlefield weapon, I'd rather have browning 50 cals.
Or imagine them with quad MG-42s
Day R damn lmfao, or the modern version, Mg3
stop giving me sexual thoughts
You missed the fact that firearms can be used for indirect fire. You calculate the drop of your projectiles, spread and then use a machinegun/section of machineguns to rain down a cone of death on a designated map coordinate. Much like artillery you can destroy or deny the enemy without committing your own troops to potential losses.
The most terrifying thing is that by this stage the bullets are traveling so slow they do not make a noise. So suddenly people just start dying.
We need a canon movie where a platoon of U.S. Marines runs into the Empire or the First Order.
Well.... orbit bombardment
@@vitor022 I was gonna say the empire would just blast earth from orbit.
USMC has the ground game, at a heavy price.
One AD's turbolaser bolt could break Mt Cheyenne.
A better match would be UNSC.
The day the empire ate crayons
Two words, Russians arrive
You can actually easily miss with a sawed off shotgun.
That's a common myth.
Definitely. But man I’d be curious to see how a Jedi would handle an AA-12, or even a decent semi auto shotgun, or somebody who’s real handy with a pump. 3.5” buckshot is no joke.
@@JacopoSkydweller force wall
Not if it's against their head XD
@@stephendavis1837 To be fair, jedi are basically CQC masters, you'd HAVE to take them out from a distance
Its still has some spread. Would be hard to block all the pellets with a skinny saber
6:08
_The Hong Kong riots exist, where people are literally using ballista and trebuchets._
*Well that didn't age well....*
And high energy lasers, any stealthy weapon to make them look like peaceful protestors, this guys are not random protestors, there are trained and payed. Its a well organized sabtage, very likely run by CIA.
@Oscar Shen, you guys are insane. If you truly think the Hong Kong protestors are the bad guys, HOLY SHIT YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. The Hong Kong protestors use lazers against CAMERAS they are willing to get shot by one of the most corrupt governments in the world, and they walk around unarmed with their hands up, just to have freedom and the right to not be randomly executed for random shit like being gay, talking about the Muslim concentration camps, or anything to do with talking bad about the government. They get executed for their opinions, and they’re simply protesting, and you’re calling them violent and he’s calling them rioters. Holy shit! You guys have to be under the age of 18, there is no other way I can explain your stupid opinions. Even my Chinese friends who have relatives in China (not Hong Kong) support Hong Kong, because everyone there knows how corrupt and immoral the Chinese government is.
Oscar Shen And today in find the Chinese bot
@@samloudy845 as im from hk, i agree
@@samloudy845 i was under the impression that the protests were over an extradition law that would have Hong Kong citizens extradited to China if requested which would obviously greatly harm Hong Kong citizen's freedoms.
"How does stormtrooper armor work?"
"It doesn't."
Well when you look at the slugthrowers available in Star Wars, legends included... Good lord they are so far behind our own, especially when it comes to capacity and range.
I'd guess that most SW firearms are essentially hand crafted zip guns using home made ammo.
If projectile weapon technology either never got developed as far in the first place or atrophied after the development of the blaster that would kinda make sense. We have gotten very, very good at designing firearms because they're our only real option.
The1stImmortal basically the latter reason, it's been such a long time for the Star Wars universe that any major faction used a slugthrower that they're pretty much forgotten to have existed by most citizens and even military powers. Literally the most frequent users are primitive species like the Tusken Raiders and they seem to build theirs out of scrap rather than have dedicated industry creating them.
The reason why slug throwers never had much development beyond what they are is mainly because of the ancient Rakatan Infinite Empire, who enslaved all the alien species they came in contact with, including humans. They were the first to invent the hyperdrive, starships, blasters, pretty much all the base technologies of the Star Wars universe. Those trillions of human and alien slaves? They took their masters creations and turned it against them when the Rakatans also lost their force sensitivity which weakened them greatly (their tech was mostly based from the dark side of the force). Kinda easy to skip past guns when you can steal incredibly advanced tech that's already made for you.
The tusken raider slugger is pretty much based on the Afghan Jezail, by the way...
I'll save you 11minutes of your time:
-Bullets are Ten times faster
-They can't be deflected with lighsabers
The slugs might melt if they touch the "lightsaber", but then, any bullets that still have momentum and still going towards the force-user, might melt and burn on their skin.
Also guns are more durable, ammunition need fewer materials to manufacture, and a gun is safer for the user.
Andres Mcguire-Buckley unless the bullets disintegrate upon contact. Lol
So this is completely false. There’s a certain munition that the US military uses that shoots molten copper slugs from a bomb to destroy tanks. Like modern first world military tanks. So unless the lightsaber could completely vaporize all incoming rounds, that molten slag will still be traveling at deadly velocities and rip molten holes through the target..
Even then, the way bullets parabolic rotation makes them less accurate at range not to mention shear volume of fire, even in semi automatics. What if you had 2 guys with M-16s from 45 degree difference in firing angle, mag dump on one jedi? He’s toast!
Imagine trying to find 9mm ammmo in the starwars realm
You can just make them yourself.
Its a big galaxy with a big market
Yeah but finding all the materials and casings in a place where it may or may not exist when everyone is using things that shoot lasers, is my point
@@Nz-tm3gsyou make it sound simple, what stops it from exploding in my hand because I used tatooine gunpowder instead of american made gun powder, or mustafar "hard" metals instead of u.s. brass.
@@Nz-tm3gs and it be a lot easier to find magic bolt blasters in a place where it's readily available
Imagine a Droidica rolling up and revealing two Vulcan miniguns loaded with .50 AP rounds.
Even obi-wan wouldn't survive it
The Vulcan is chambered in 20mm not .50 BMG.
I imagine the OP meant GAU-19. Those are the ones that use .50 calibre. But I understand that for laymen, Vulcan guns are just a catch-all for any type of rotary gun rather than specifically the M61 Vulcan.
Laughs in javelin
Oh God... that's hot!
That's why Mass Effect weapons are the future!!
They are extremely modular and their bolts hit near instant with no drop. yeah, I thought the same.
But would be horrifically complicated and expensive to make, remember the whole "cutting pieces of metal with a laser to the specific situation with a laser as ammunition" part?
@@cnlbenmc well just get ride of that unnecessary feature, seriously that's serve no purpose if you want to modify the power of the bullet speed is way easier to control, and there is no point in modifying the shape of the bullet either.
+@@benjamin1359870+ I think the idea is that it uses longer and thinner rounds for longer ranged combat etc.
@@cnlbenmc I think it's just shaved metal
And "Boom"! is WAY better than "pew, pew, pew". There might be a psycological factor with the report of a slug thrower too.
Kevin McGlothlin Yeah it’s like hearing “pew, pewpewpewpewpewpew” and then, 5 seconds latter hearing *BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT, BANG*
Yeah if i had to choose sound-wise between a blaster and a good ole handgun
Handgun by a long shot (budum tss, to be honest i didn't intend that pun lol)
and you can deafen enimies by just spamming bullets out of a non silenced weapon
Especially when that "BOOM!!!" is coming from a 12 gauge or Desert Eagle. 🙂
@@BennyLlama39 the 12g and .50AE are almost useless in real combat.
The most effective rounds in combat are optimized out to ~400m range for personal firearms, and ~100m-40+km for various support weapons, from under barrel grenade launchers DMRs, Recoilless rifles and RPGs to rocket assisted artillery shells, guided missiles and ICBMs.
While a pump action loaded with double aught would ruin a Sith's day, you need to study up on your modern firearms.
Hollow points don't shatter. They mushroom and expand, increasing surface area to increase kinetic energy transfer into the target and increase the size of the wound channel.
They also tend to have less penetration against armor.
I think he meant a type of illegal flichet round
Edit I was wrong they are legal but the most dangerous ones called ripper rounds
8:18 those are not holo point
@@connormcconnell7881 which even further underscores his lack of knowledge.
What was shown was the G2 Radically Invasive Projectile. It fragments, and like all fragmentary ammunition it is both against Geneva Convention (so the military doesn't usually stock it) and it has very poor armor penetration. Just like regular hollow point.
@@connormcconnell7881 Those are G2 Radically Invasive Projectile rounds. They're against Geneva Convention and they don't penetrate armor.
They are a type of fragmentation round.
Which is why the military doesn't use them.
Again showcasing the lack of weapons knowledge of this channel.
@@realtalk4real243 if he's going to make videos like this then he needs to get his research done so he has his facts straight.
Mistaking a POS gimmick like RIP ammo for an honest hollow point--while making a video about military technology--is borderline unforgivable.
And I did point out that RIP can't penetrate although I was referring mostly to armor, conventional or scifi.
I'll stick to my Federal HST or Hornady Critical for my EDC, thanks.
You have my instant approval as a fellow GÜÑ enthusiast! Also, expanded universe novels(namely the Han Solo stories) actually do contain traditional firearms akin to what we use today
"If you're areally messed up person you can carry hollowpoints"
😂😂😅👌
Hollowpoints are safer man. Less chance of collateral damage.
And more humane, kill them faster.
Yeah I've never understood the idea that hollow points are inhumane or unsafe, granted if you miss and hit a piece of metal the resulting fragmentation can be rather hazardous. But all in all, it's better to shoot someone with a hollow point.
@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 hollow points give you a slow death. A shot to the brain doesnt ki you instantly even wtih hollow points, infact hollow points make death more painful
@@dreadfulbadger Talk to your victim and see if they agree, 😂. I’d rather be left with time to seek medical attention and reflect on my life and loved ones.
@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 I’m sure the person getting nailed with tons of small shrapnel would disagree. Clean entry/exit seems more humane but that’s just me.
FYI, the blaster control in the Star Wars universe is much lower than America’s gun control. Almost everyone just carries these things like Smartphones!
You do relize the most of the places we visit in star wars aren`t the safest places in the universe.
there was blaster control...Hans blaster was big time illegal
Commander Knight Of course. There’s crime, poverty, gang affiliation and slavery going about the Galaxy. One of the most safest planets I know so far is Endor and it’s filled with innocent Ewok tribes.
Could you really blame them most of the galaxy isn't under a central power. The galaxy as a whole can't go five years with out an intergalactic war. And crime syndicates have way to much power.
I think that depends on the planet. Many of the planets we see in star wars are very dangerous places and many of them don't even have a stabile government. This results in a pretty wild west like culture.
But if you'd go to more civilized places like canto bite, naboo or the higher levels of coruscant, you probably wouldn't find many people with blasters.
Wait a cross bow can travel faster then a blaster?
Yep
Well, even a lot of compound bows can shoot over 200 mph.
Boi
Why the fuck wouldn’t they just use a primitive version of the bow caster ?
@@ChickenCard the Bow Caster actually fires EXPLODING or charged physical ammo. So it is literally a crossbow suped up to fire energized bolts
Modern armor isn’t Kevlar, but is actually ceramic composites layered over steel plates. Also there are ways of making Kevlar low velocity puncture proof
That ceramic would actually make modern body armor blaster proof, too. Have you seen the heat tolerances of that stuff?
The science shows the best weapon against a Jedi is either a slug thrower or a blaster that can switch between positively and negatively ionized gases
Science has show, the best weapons to use at Jedi/ Sith when able to locate at a personal safe distance is...
Orbital missile fire, a few 10's of thousand dead civilians and the destruction of a few square kilometers of city landscape is a small price to pay to kill a Sith.
Except that the science is wrong, slug throwers are not better than blasters against Jedi as the premises on which that argument is based are nonsense. Blaster bolts aren't slow, and lightsabres can deflect slug throwers. The blaster than can switch between positive and negative charges argument is also nonsense as it shows that the person who came up with it has no understanding of lightsabres.
Lightsabres are more of a mystical weapon than a technological one, and their ability to deflect blaster bolts has nothing to do with the technological parts and everything to do with the mystical elements. Hence why some of the precursors to lightsabres, such as the swords (and other close combat weapons) made by the ancient Je'Daii and the Sith Alchemical swords (which have no technological components) can also deflect blaster bolts.
@@bladeofhel NO
@@ikochomi3070 Both in the old EU, and in Disney's new canon, lightsabres are mystical weapons.
While my answer specifically looks at older lore, the new lore is pretty similar.
@@bladeofhel define what mystical is.
Who would win? Highly advanced weapons, designed for war, shooting blaster bolts which can burn through most things; A barrel with a trigger and a grip which basically shoots metal.
Guns are highly advanced weapons designed for war -_- a blaster is an over powered flash light with no advantage when compared to a firearm. It's actually lacking in most areas. I cant think of a single reason why any ACTUAL military would adopt a blaster for general infantry. It'd be better on vehicles and even then, all you did was overheat the enemies vehicle, you probably didnt kill its crew. You know what can be replaced? Vehicles. Know what's way harder to replace? Skilled, well trained crews meant to operate said vehicle. The germans learned that with the luftwaffe.
@@DomR1997 and here come the people who take "who would win" seriously
But have you seen the inner workings of guns dude?
They're marvels of engineering compacted into a hand-held killing device
All the bits and pieces doing exactly what they need to do, and anything without purpose or is a liability is tossed out
Working together to launch a fast moving projectile with the intent to disable an opponent
the big thing for blasters, i think, is ammo capacity (it takes up less space per "shot" and can be any shape you want) and logistics. When supplying rifles, pistols, artillery, autocannons, etc, you just need to buy tibanna gas in bulk instead of needing specific ammunition. And all that ammunition has to be thrown out if you change gun calibers
@@DomR1997 Buddy I don't think you know what a blaster bolt can do to someone do you? Go do some research on what a blaster bolts dose and come back, but this time don't be so narcissistic about it, try to be respectable about your arguments.
This guy thinks hed be a badass smuggler or something when in reality he'd be doing office work on Coruscant.
but why
@@Eule153 damnit, beat me to it
@@uku4171 The guy above me said 'but why' before I did. The guy who wrote the comment is called 'but why'
Boring but safe work that lets him live in the upper levels of Coruscant? Dang, you're generous.
@V-Rex yes
"Wich is not even as fast as a delorean"
You do know we dont want the lasers to travel in time, right?
It's perfect though! You can send your bullet back in time to when your opponent was born and shoot them 30 years before you meet them!
Considering Deloreans had major reliability issues.
Anything, walking is faster than a Delorean
There are actually rules for firearms in the various SW RPG's. They are far more common in the outerrim than expected, even some hightech variants like smartguns with homing ammunition exist.
Sternencolonel source?
I would love to know a source too. I'm playing the FFG version of the Star Wars RPG. The slugthrowers are absolutely pitiful in those games.
Trandosians are known for using firearms as well
@@XxDarkmasterxXx Ooh, I didn't know that the Trandoshans used them too. I've only seen them use Blasters and Shock Nets.
@Uganda Knuckles Nice!
About the armor part, kevlar can't stop rifle caliber bullets or crossbow bolts, yes, but we also have plate carrier vests that have pouches for RHA steel plates that do protect from stuff like .223, at least for the first few bullets. A crossbow also can't penetrate that.
If it's literally anything other then ceramic it'll stop any amount of rounds that it's rated for as long as they don't hit the same spot which would be well very rare
Aleph Kasai rare in a combat situation anyway, let's be honest there's a lot of people out there who buy said armour just to see how many bullets does it take before it fails.
Plus some if many slugthrowers can mount bayonets, giving you a secondary attack option
Sand Troopers did that in Ep 4
Heck, you could probably sling a blaster under the barrel of a slugthrower rifle if you were so inclined! =D
I'm sure it would be just as easy to mount a bayonet to a blaster as it is to a slugthrower, so the point is moot
I've been saying this for months now, but FIXED LIGHTSABER BAYONET FUCKING WHEN
Legends canon had a couple versions, including a vibrobayonet that...well vibrated.
Think about it, one well made EMP could disable almost a whole army or navy in Star Wars because of the reliance on Energy based weapons. Both in space and ground battles if you are using firearms or artillery you don't worry about that as well as get all the benefits mentioned in the video. the book DUNE also points this out.
Yep, dune is so advanced something melee combat is viable again. It’s like Necron ships in 40k not using shields because they’re used to weapons so high tech that shields would just be redundant, so when humans basically „throw rocks“ at them(torpedoes,cannons) the lack of shields just allows these weapons to be hella effective.
Actually, most bulletproof vests are plate carriers that carry ceramic or steel plates. Anti shrapnel "pockets" for those plates are usually from kevlar.
The XM-25 was an experimental grenade launcher. It did have an integrated 5.56,but what you were talking about was a grenade launcher.
Meanwhile in universe 2047426:
Master Skywalker there's too many of them what we gonna do?
Anakin:pull out a tommy gun*
Vader: “would be wise to surrender”
Me: *quick draw* BANG!*
Vader: *Drops dead*
Han Solo tried this and didn't work
@Xicor The Lit God no, i think he would still do something like what Kylo Ren did
I'm pretty sure most basic armor in starwars will stop another of calibers of guns.
I'm pretty sure most basic armor in starwars will stop another of calibers of guns.
@@lilpuro2152 most armor is made out of plastic like material that helps absorb blaster bolts, unless they’re wearing mandalorian armor the bullet should shatter there armor
Every 2A enthusiast Cringed pretty hard on this one.
Yea a little bit but oh well hes not a gun youtuber hes a star wars youtuber
What did he get wrong? I don't know much about guns and I'd like to know lol
I thought it was funny that he showed G2 RIP ammo when he said hollow point, but honestly I like this video! Pretty fucking hilarious imagining a squad of Marines mag dumping Ki-Adi Mundi
@@D00dman ki adi mundi would deserve an entire platoon magdumping him, he was a psychopathic piece of shit and many useless deaths were caused from him
Nice use of the M1911 (not the M1911A1 or its clones) in the pic. I have one that was made 100 years ago this year.
Bet that's worth a shit load of money
dont care if it is, it's priceless. it kept my grandfather alive in WWII
Unlucky Eddy oh yeah I wasn't meaning you should sell it. Just saying ww1 era guns are worth a lot of money. Would love to own a ww1 1911 or Luger
Unlucky Eddy dude that would be amazing to own a pistol your relative had in WW2!
@@sam8404 you might want to start saving, a bought a Luger made in 1913 for 1500, but well worth it
10 flaws of living on desert worlds.
10 flaws of the Droid control ships.
10 flaws of everything in the star wars universe
(Turns out to just be a hate video lmao)
4:47 considering that lightsabers dont melt everything around them when theyre activated, theyre cool enough that they wouldnt have the time to vaporize the bullet. At best the round would get melted if its a lead core bullet, which could improve armor performance against the bullet. But any steel core bullet would just go right through with maybe the copper jacket getting heated up significantly.
*Two men show up at Imperial garrison
Storm Troopers: "Its only two guys, we got this"
*The two guys are actually Lucas Botkin and GarandThumb
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There's actually a very similar situation to this in Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans. Because energy weapons have become so useless against modern mobile suit armor, all of the mobile suits just use old-fashioned oversized firearms so they can actually damage mobile suit armor, and the scariest projectiles in the series are actually super-hard railgun rounds.
"...Molten metal at the Jedi." I believe this is canon, seeing as if I'm ready right mandolorians switched from blasters to normal firearms at some point to fight Jedi, as if the Jedi try to block the shots, it'll spray into their faces.
Its actually hilarious to think that if the seperatists just made one line of our primitive guns they would've ended the war in a few days, troopers wouldn't have been able to see where they were getting shot from for the first time and jedi would have been useless
Troopers would be able to see where they were being shot at from though. Especially at night. Remember, even with a flash hider, muzzle flash is quite common and inevitable with conventional firearms.
Also, in closer combat engagements with a bunch of 3 dimensional obsticles in the way, like the fungal forests of Felucia, or the skyscrapers of Christophsis, there are fewer places to get a good vantage point, or firing angle. Which means less area to scan for hostile targets. Similar to what modern US troops had to do in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Truthfully I think the only advantages a modern firearm would give you in Star Wars is relatively cheap ammunition and the ability to kill Jedi and Sith faster and easier than a blaster.
@@williamthehuntsman So it’s less obvious than a blaster plus it’s way faster than 75 miles per hour. And for Close range use a assault rifle a full auto matic weapon rather than semi.
Seperatist: Get Terra here, NOW!
When it comes to real life guns I find myself really admiring the Steyr AUG. Its versatile and modular, its reliable, alot of the parts could be 3D printed because of how it was made, the bullpup design means you can acquire targets quickly and stay on target for longer without getting tired, there is evidently very little recoil, you can instantly switch barrels without needing any tools out in the field, the simplistic design makes cleaning easy, the proprietary magazines last longer than STANAG mags (but you can still use M4/AR15 ones with the NATO stock), the short stroke gas piston means it handles heat better than an M4 AND its adjustable so you can still fire it with low quality ammo without it jamming, the bullpup layout also means you can fit a long barrel in a small space, and imo it just looks awesome.
The downsides are its expensive, parts arent impossible to get but still not as easy to get as for an AR15/M16, some people just hate bullpups for various reasons, and the stock trigger is about 9lbs so not great.
Ok, though I prefer more modern bullpup assault rifles like the Tavor.
0:44 when he mentioned a “50 cal revolver,” I paused the video and typed “50 cal” in the TH-cam search bar and it filled in “revolver”
I can’t remember what it was, but this same thing happened to me a couple days ago. I was watching a video and they mentioned something mid way that had nothing to do with the topic. I searched part of what they said and TH-cam filled in the rest... it was oddly specific
2:41 this is even better when you realize that a DeLorean DMC-12 is an infamously slow car
only reason blasters are slow is for the audience to see the shot. I think that in reality the blaster would have no recoil and hit the target the same instant you pull the trigger, and you could probably charge it the wall socket.
I was thinking this too . Glad you said it.
Headcannon
Phantom Menace: "Where are the droids?"
*miniguns drop from the ceiling*
Roll Credits
“Blaster bolts travel about 78 miles per hour”
Meanwhile I’m BF2 blaster bolts travel at 78,000,000 miles per hour
And the Sniper Rifle is actual lightspeed because it's a hitscan weapon.
In reality blaster bolts are faster than real life bullets. Idk where he gets 78 MPH from.
@@Brendan-kx8iy in reality blaster bolts don't exist, as for numbers, you can literally see and dodge blaster bolts, try to dodge rifle round
@@Ally5141 I explained why Blaster Bolts are faster. For one, common sense. These guys are 1000X more advanced than us, you don't think they can propel a bolt faster than a human can throw a ball? Even a 14 year old can dodge that, yet trained troopers in SW can't. This leads me to believe that blaster bolts are actually faster than they appear on screen. Also, you can't see bullets yes, but that's because they are small and not very bright. Blaster bolts are bright as hell, put a tracer on a bullet and they appear to move around the same speed as a blaster bolt.
@@Ally5141 Also, Jedi can dodge a rifle round because they don't need to react to the gun, they aren't batters waiting for the ball to come. They have Precognition and know where you are going to fire a bullet or bolt before you even pull the trigger.
I've fucking been saying this for ages! But hey, that's why star wars is science fantasy and not science fiction. 80% of its technology is absolutely senseless :D
This is the post I make that blows up? Really?
Dominic space odyssey… anyways Force powers are a clear giveaway, pure fantasy everyone probably know that, if not, they should.
@@MikhaelAhava I've had people argue it with me. It's part of why I left my old DnD group and joined a new one. I would pull up entire essays on it online and this one lady would still argue it. She had to be right about everything, drove me bonkers!
@@MikhaelAhava Space Oddysey is the shit. Incredibly well thought out.
Ahhh but this is working off the assumptyion that the fantsay is real and when fantasy ebcomes real the current reality utterly submits. Let's be real other tehn range a blaster does evcerything better then a gun
@@alexanerose4820 Star Wars physics are the same as ours though Alex. Even going by the lore, the blasters still aren't better. They say they're more advanced, but dont give a reason why beyond "it's a laser gun". Like he said: specialized ammo types, range, durability, ease of repair, sheer stopping power, time to impact, extended automatic fire, even the odds of a kill are better with a projectile. If you shoot a guy and he doesnt die right away, he might bleed out because it doesnt cauterize the wound (keeping enemies alive in a war is detrimental). And your bullet doesnt have a chance of exploding if you drop it. These are all things firearms do better. You cant use the EU to save you from this, the expanded universe was disbanded. What we're now left with are op flash lights that are redundant until you reach anti vehicle weaponry, and even then it'd most likely need to be mounted on a vehicle itself. Blasters are cool and flashy, but not scientifically sound as far as a general infantry weapon goes. That's why its science fantasy instead of science fiction. Because it's not grounded in reality. Which is ok. I dont know why star wars fans need their franchise to be the best at everything all the time. It's not. It lacks in a lot of areas. Almost any that involve common sense actually. That's not a dig at star wars either, lots of franchises are like that. But the story is amazing and that's really all that counts when it comes to science fantasy. A great story.
Jedi: can deflect blaster bolts
Mandalorians: *loads shotgun with malicious intent*
7:58 "Heavy always did hate that place:("
Holly sht it just hit me that a gun would be op in star wars and a jedi couldn’t humanly stop it.
*Loads LMG with religious intent*
Thanks all (my first comment over 100 likes 😁😁😁)
Apples
He could use the force to counter your gun
The bullets melt and might minorly burn bare skin. Or they can easily stop it with the force
NYET AK IS ALL U NEED BLYAT
They would disassemble your gun with the force before you had a chance to fire a single bullet. I'm pretty sure Jedi could adapt to combat with firearms: they'd just have to use less of fancy deflections and more of their force powers.
A Jedi can still sense the incoming danger and has the ability to slow time around themselves if needed. For me this is just the same deal as blasters when dealing with jedi
I think 4 guys with p90s could probably take down another death star
I thought we were going with Red Leader on this one.
Yeah modern day earth number 1
technically it's 3 guys with P90s and one with a staff weapon
@@thatguybrody4819 Actually it's one with a Staff weapon, two guys with P90's, and one girl with a P90.
@@RRW359 plus a few zats.
4:45 I'm pretty sure their was a legends comic where a Jedi light saber hit a bullet. It was turned into molten shrapnel and I believe it torn up their leg.
I'm having stargate flashbacks. Slugthrowers rule!
Allen never meant to kill... Only to mame... or seriously injure!
He's referencing Dobby from Harry Potter
*maim
Jedi: I will deflect your shots..
Me M-134 mini gun mounted on truck ..
Dude, I am psychic today. Before I watched this video, I was looking at Florida Man Headlines. Then you show one.
Edit: It's great to get a Gen. Tech video on my birthday.
Me: You see that platoon of clone troopers over there?
Friend: Yeah, what about 'em?
Me: **Proceeds pull out an M249 and mow them all down**
Friend: Jesus Christ...
Me: So? The armor those clones are wearing can't stop 5.56 NATO tungsten core Armor Piercing, M995 [Black tip] bullets!
They can stop the bullets easily lol. Stop with your delusions.
oof, this comment is Cringey and the replies are almost just as bad.
@@pkxpanz3r241 Honestly. Wanna know how it would really go down? The clones armor would easily deflect the bullets making that dude go into shock, and the clones easily kill him.
@@Brendan-kx8iy wanna know what happens when bullets hit Armor? they shatter into tiny shards, and since Clones wear bare plastic for armor, if the clone is hit in his chest, his armor would shatter the bullet, and the fragments would cut the clones throat, which is why no one wears bare steel plates for armor, but usually coated in rubber. look i dont rlly care, Clones dont exist, there armor doesnt exist, its a cool and fun "what if" but you obviously care too much, and its even based in Star Wars cannon that clones armor is not very tough against "slug thowers" but was mainly focused on protecting from Blaster fire. similar to what was suggested in the video. so im not wasting my time on another reply. this is cringy
Great video as always!
I read somewhere that the reason why they use blasters is a moral one similar to why hollow points are banned for military use. The wounds caused by [blasters, fmj etc] are easier to treat as casualties therefore regulating their use will make war less terrible. Also of note certain types of bayonets have been banned [ irl ] due to causing very wide lacerations that cant be effectively treated with sutures or most practical techniques, essentially aside from a tourniquet the bleeding cannot be stopped, a tourniquet can only be on for a few hours before the blood trapped in the limb goes septic and will prove fatal [and extremely painful] when it is pumped backed into the body.
That is the theory behind the law as i understand it anyways whether or not you believe to be true or a good idea i leave for you to decide.
Also as far as i am aware that explanation is a retcon of sorts when the original trilogy was made blasters were likely used because well sci-fi. Which is good enough for me.
I’m late, but I can explain what’d happen to a bullet on contact with a lightsaber!
The tip of the bullet would sublimate (solid -> gas) due to the heat of the lightsaber, but this would happen nearly instantly, causing a small layer of vapor formed by the rapid melting and evaporation. This is the Leidenfrost effect, caused by the substance (the metal) being instantly flashed into vapor. Said vapor would slightly alter the course of the bullet, turning it so that it passes through the lightsaber mostly intact and flies off somewhat randomly. It would still hit almost as hard as a normal bullet, and wouldn’t fly too far off course. It would still keep heading towards the Jedi’s side of the battlefield, that’s for sure.
You know when I first was introduced to blasters I was thinking "Oh... well that's stupid. Why not design your energy weapons to fire beams?"
The Dishonored Coward what if you need to turn fast? Would you keep fireing and hurt your team
You could turn the beam off but thats what you can do with shooting a blast after blasy
so like a continuous stream of plasma bolts but there's no pauses
One benefit with blasters is capacity. Most charge packs are at least 30-50 shots in something like the DC-17 blaster pistol. Firearms are also meant to keep a wound open when it hits a fleshy target. Blasters are gonna probably cauterize the wound thus probably preventing bleeding.
I've always liked Lukes DL-45 from Empire
2:22 is not necessarily true, there is a type of bullets called tracer rounds and they have phosphorus which lights up the bullet when shot, and they go just as fast if not even faster than regular bullets because they get lighter when the combustible material burns out and the bullet loses weight which means it goes faster, the fact that you can see the light doesn’t mean it’s going slow