@NOOBGAMER-pm1pv crazy thing is that nividia gpus for consumers like u and I isn't even where they really make the most money. They are more of an ai server company then anything else. Giving us a better card that lasted longer wouldn't hurt them it might even promote sales but hey what do I know lol
@@def-po8tu yeah i heard about that, gamers gpu are minor profit for them, they make most of their money from AIs and server nowaday, but still, its a dick move
Guy's a fucking neurosurgeon. Plain and simple. I actually did this EXACT same thing myself just over 30 years ago when I was a teenager. Strangely enough, it worked! Today it's a whole different ballgame: You need SKILL.
12:45 The black screen is a know issue when you do that memory upgrade mod, here in Brazil the workaround we found was set the power management to max performance.
I assume the memory timing straps are too tight for double capacity memory chips? So that when it drops to idle speeds, the timings get very tight. That's just the first thing that comes to my mind. I believe he used some custom straps, but there's several that ya need, from idle to max and everything in between, all 7-8 stages. Could be any one of the performance stages other than max.
@@alexdavies7112Depends on the BIOS not the GPU BIOS but your motherboard BIOS some mobo can leverage both the integrated graphics if there is one and the GPU that you have
As with most things JaysTwoCents says; terrible advice. Doing this makes the VGA idle at high clock speeds, causing high power draw when the card isnt doing anything. All for a margin for error improvement in benchmark score, not worth it
@@AndroidBeacshire , This is a solution to the black screen problem with increased VRAM, not because of some points in benchmarks. The solution is not very good, but it still allows the video card to work with doubled VRAM, and not to crash every time after 3D load.
@AndroidBeacshire this is true BUT notice he thinks the issue is the power dropping below 12v and then crashing? Well this could address that issue. A bandaid fix but could still be a fix none the less. He clearly voided the warranty on card, so that aspect shouldn't be considered.
These mods will save a lot of these video cards from now on, not only because of the potential of the RTX 3000 which are more moderate to make than AMD's for now! But because of the time and useful life in the hands of each user, opening this range of options in the hands of engineers like you to do this work which for me is a greatness of very relevant size for the community. My congratulations!👑
I wish you would explain what you’re doing during the time lapse for those of us who want to learn more about the steps and processes involved. Watching you drop whatever liquid that is on before and after meant nothing to folks trying to understand.
Man you are so talented to be able to do something like this! This looks like it would be difficult to pull off...BUT, I will attempt it myself. Great video!
I'd suggest to get some sort of cheap donor to learn on. Don't do this on your main card or anything that you use on daily basis. Otherwise it'll hurt far too much if you ruin the one thing you need at any given time. Luckily I was smart about this when it comes to PS4 controller repairs. I have three controllers (one original, 2 cheap aliexpress replicas), cheap controller had pretty gnarly stick drift and original one has a slight one, for learning I used the replica one in case I screw up and I did, now that controller is dead, but I learned so much from that and managed to swap analog sticks on my original one after that failure. Just a simple repair yet so easy to mess everything up. Don't be scared to fail, just be mindful when it comes to these upgrades (if it's not broken, don't try to fix it unless you know what you're doing and will be able to revert everything back to normal with applied upgrade)
@@luckgrip252 im going to try it on a 4060 actually. I needed another pc a while back in an emergency, and was aiming for really anything 13th gen in the cheapest prebuilt i could find. I have had this brand new 4060 just sitting around that i probably would never do anything with...what the hell, a 16gb 4060 would be pretty cool lol And if i fuk it up 🤷
@@AnEyeRacky It's the risks that you're willing to make. If it was your main driver and only card around, you would feel that "do I really need this?" But since that 4060 of yours would gather dust anyways, then yeah, why not.
Great video!! I've been doing bga reballs for a while now but never with GPU's. Interested in seeing part 2 :) Also, I've been trying to find that video card power adapter setup you show on your desk, is that a custom one with the orange locking flaps? Thanks!
Yes it's a custom supply. It sources its main power from a bench power supply. It has its own circuit but I have disconnected it. The case of it is a tiffin box.
It's just extremely odd that Nvidia decided to put 12GB on the 3060, yet not the 4060 nor 3070. Or atleast place the 12gb on the 3060ti, that would make more sense. Extremely backwards components.
That was to make sales without taking away sales from more expensive products, it's market segmentation for more money. A slow card with more memory,a fast card with less memory,a fast card with more memory,charge through the nose for the card that has it all but still sell the crappier cards then sell them a new one when it isn't good enough.
This upgrade is definitively worthwhile if one has the faster binned 2GB Samsung too (K4ZAF325BM-HC16). RTX 3070 is severely VRAM limited in many new games, including Jedi Survivor, Horizon Forbidden West, Cyberpunk 2077 and many others. Those games need at least 11GB of VRAM, so even RTX 3080 10GB is having not enough. It is also interesting that RTX 3080 10GB is already obsolete, in terms of VRAM, yet many pay hefty price for it, only to realize they run out of VRAM.
Those games need at least 11GB of VRAM... uhh I run cyberpunk almost maxxed out on a 4060 with only 8GB of vram.. and raytracing on with no issue lol. Around 70 FPS
Good stuff ! i thought about to upgrade my 2080 ti to 24gb or just buy a rtx 40.. card in the future. Thank you for your videos, i love them ! NEVER GIVE UP
Would it be possible to do this with a 3070Ti? I would like to use the faster gddr6x memory as the extra bandwidth would increase the performance of the vram upgrade
This crashing after switching back to idle is a known problem after upgrading cards to a "non official VRAM amout". Maybe some older drivers will work but I'm not sure. Furthermore you can try the card in Linux if switching back to idle after load works there. Another work-around I've seen is to add some more capacitors to the memory rail. Maybe it will reduce the peeks after changing the load.
Wow... very impressive -- almost wants to make me try it myself! Did you have to do anything special besides the high performance in Nvidia Settings (firmware modifications, moving resistors like I saw in other videos, etc.) to get it work?
I have two 3070's. One EVGA and one MSI. Both cards run really well at 1440p, so I don't think I'll mess with them at this time. I do appreciate seeing what it would take to upgrade the memory.
Really. All the tech universe says 8gb is not enough VRAM. They are just trash. You must be an invader from another universe...I'm reporting you to the universe invasion society. Joking of course. But yeah the hate on the GPU VRAM from tech tubers is real.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql I do have a 4070 in my personal machine, but the two 3070's are in my office for my grandkids to play on. For the kind of computers I build these cards are a good match with the mid-range platforms they reside on. Oh, and I do have a lot of respect for anyone able to upgrade or repair computer components.
Absolutely. It all depends on the games the user plays. Not all games require more VRAM. 3070 is a good GPU and will meet your requirements as is. You have made the right choice. 😁
ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC WORK!!! Subscribed and look forward to watching all your vids. I never use such terms but excellent, extremely impressive idea and work!
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Pls do part 2 - I play DCS and have a 3070/12gb and need to know if its worth doing this RAM update, should be a big money saver in the long run.
I have the exact Zotac card in the vid, paid 900$ for it in January 21 but I knew I'll be able to mine at least some of it back and actually mined more than double at current prices, upgraded to a 6800xt for 500$ in late 22 because 8gb wasn't enough for me already.
The primary distinction of VRAM is the occasional micro stuttering however some people exaggerate that lower VRAM will make a game unplayable. In reality 8GB of VRAM at 1080p/1440p resolution with DLSS/FSR and high/medium quality settings is quite sufficient. This card is not designed to run native 4K at ultra quality.
Rtx 3070 ti doesn't get frame generation. Also, I'd rather run native 4k resolution without TAA for the same benefits, RTX dont count given the cost and its a castrated version of raytracing @Cloderick
Thank you for the video. I always wondered if someone could replace/upgrade the "built-in" memory. It was interesting watching it being done. Definitely not for the amateur. Awesome skills you have.
on games that uses less then 8GB, the 3070 is better than my 6700XT... but games that uses more than that, my 12GB makes a huge difference!! Imagine for the future when even indies uses 8GB+
People always say that the bottleneck when you go over your VRAM is the system RAM. However, in reality, your system RAM isn't all that much slower than your VRAM. The problem is the PCIe slot bandwidth! Even a full 16 lanes of PCIE Gen 5 can only match the bandwidth of 3200 MHz DDR4. And there is no GPU that supports Gen 5 PCIe yet. The max you can expect is 16 lanes of PCIE Gen 4; which is half of that bandwidth!
You are right. The bottleneck is the PCIE bandwidth. But compared to the GDDR6 VRAM, GDDR4 is much slower. GDDR6 is directly available to the GPU compared the the DDR4 RAM which has totravel through the PCIE than to tthe CPU and then to the DDR4 RAM and make its way back. This is a topic on its own. May be i will cover it in the future.
check the back of the pcb core A*** varients or quadro varients, i bet theres an extra cap to smooth out transient spikes on higher capacity/storage moduals. more storage larger voltage pool sitting there = more spike. i also noticed this is a zotac card, they are extra narrow/cheap/inadequate on the smoothing caps on the back of the core/pcb in the center. mibbi upgrading them will solve the issue as it was a problem on early 3000 series cards at stock.
Great Video, I'll look forward to the follow up video! Pretty sure it's Power dip of some sort! Overall entertained! You complete this, and I'll take a crack at it! Got 3 Gpu's sitting around at 8gb's! Time to repurpose!
I have the White Edition version of that card. I just subbed and liked. If you indeed have a guide on this 2 parter, I am going to give it a go. I would love 16GB on my card. It would give it life that it wasn't going to get otherwise. The issue I see with the 3070 has always been VRAM limitation as I like to play in 4K. Once it starts using that 8GB of cache it yanks from main memory, you can see the issues. I noticed that the extra VRAM on these cards prevent the .1% and 1% low dips that are common with 8GB cards trying to run in 2160p. That in itself is worth it. I have thought about selling this card and buying a used 2080 Ti with the money for too long now. I have also considered financing a 4080 Super. Both of these ideas should not be things I think about. Ever. This card should have come with the 12GB they gave the 3060. It would have made so much more sense.
I've had a similar issue with my 3090 where gpu worked fine while browsing and gaming but when exiting game it would crash. I've flashed the bios to latest version but that didn't helped. What fixed it was taking off the factory overclock by enabling "Debug mode" in Nvidia control panel which will run Nvidia's reference clock for Gpu core and ram.
if you succeeded with running occt at 10% memory, but not at 90% memory, and if the problem is with a specific memory chip, you might be able to narrow down which specific memory chip it is by progressively stepping up the memory size in occt
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql The Russian TH-camr VIK-on tried, but he couldn't get his modded RTX 2070 16gb stable. That's interesting if it is possible!
A great starting point is to break down the skills you need to learn and find resources like tutorials or online courses. Practice consistently, and you'll be on your way! I would recomend you watch Richard's (Learn Electronics Repair) videos where he teaches about each component. that would be the right start.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Thank you for the guidance/advice. Your video is beyond impressive and well done. That level of talent is inspiring and infectious. But, I think many of us who commented will be equally impressed that you took the time to respond to so many comments and questions. Thank you again for sharing you artistry and providing the inspiration to take on a completely new challenge. I know we are all excited to see part 2.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Could you make please a video where you list every tool someone that wants to specialize in GPU repairs needs? This info is not easy to discern from my google searches.
*STUPID QUESTION...* old post but... have you tried without the fans? (run the fans to the MOTHERBOARD instead) When I modded my last couple graphics cards with Noctua fans I got coil whine. I realized it had to do with POWER DELIVERY as the design ASSUMES a certain amount of current in certain spots. When I ran the fans to the MOTHERBOARD instead the coil whine went away. I doubt that would be related, but you never know.
@@yooooomg the 3090 is fast enough for LLMs honestly, it's just missing the extra VRAM. 4090s are still ridiculously expensive, 3090s are out there in the used market, they just make more sense for that particular application
I have that exact 3070, bought it new in January of 21, was happy with the card for around a year and then started to run into vram size issues so upgraded to the 6800xt and very happy with it. The black screen issue might be your power supply, the 3000 series had very bad transient spikes so it's probably hitting a spike just when the load stops, I have a 1200W PSU so didn't have any issues with my 3070 or 6800xt.
Sure I just replaced the power supply. The old one I was using was 1600watts but it's toast now. Got a new one 1550Watts thermaltake. Let's see how it goes.
@@pothitoskourtis lol scary how people assume stuff and scarry how easy they think they know it all, unfortunately usually those people are wrong just like you. It was before the youtubers started talking about it and it was because I was mining ETH at the time and wanted to keep mining while I played games and some games ran on the 3070 no problem while mining but some didn't, after switching to the 6800xt I had no such problems any more + both cards were basically free as I mined enough ETH to pay for both and even got some left.
@@Roman00744 i had no such problem with the 2070 and its 8gb vram and still have no problem now with a 4070ti and its 12gb vram on a 4K monitor. Theres no vram problems and i prefer to believe what i see versus a youtube video mostly testing stuff on broken pc ports of playstation games like the last of us, heck even hogwarts legacy was a solid 60fps experience on a 2070 non super on 2K with mixed medium/high settings.
This is quite interesting... I only put this on on a side screen to stop my PC from going to sleep while I was doing some stress testing on a few android devices I was working on... It's always tricky trying to rework boards with hot air(And I'm meaning SOIC-8, Like SPI flash chips for BIOS).... Doing BGA's is just a nightmare. Especially if they're sensitive ones... I'm lucky my day job has an entire PCB line from pick and place to test. So I get to sneak a few of my experiments through their reflow ovens after hours.. Even then I've found it can not work well.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql There is already a video on TH-cam on the Vik-off channel with the results of the alteration. He came to the conclusion that the frequency was jumping up due to a driver error. The decision is to lock the memory frequency. PS: I'm looking forward to you doubling the memory on the RTX 3080 ti up to 24 Gb.😇
one thing i would like to see is gpus to have removable ram just like your computer can add or upgrade when you want.. what would also be cool is for cpus like the old intel to come in a gpu format
Unfortunately none of the 40 series can be upgraded. They all use 2 GB memory modules which is the largest capacity produced. And they have limited active slots.
I have beautiful EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3070 and I would love to have it upgraded to 16GB because I cant afford a latest better GPU right now. But Unfortunately there aren't any GPU repair professionals in my country who will be able to do this🙁
Imagine RTX 4060 non ti 12 gb and 4070 16 gb. Always remember a commercially oriented company would never bring out a product that is so good that you don't have to buy the next generation of products
If this upgrade of the RTX 3070 becomes possible and safe, will it be possible to send you a card and have the upgrade performed? I looked for the costs of such an operation on your website, but I couldn't find them.
It's extensive work, but it seems to be the most affordable solution for at-home machine learning. NVlink, with a couple of upgrades to 22GB 2080, is more affordable than the RTX quadros.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It’s always great to hear from fellow enthusiasts who are exploring affordable options for machine learning. Keep pushing those boundaries!
This was very interesting. I was thinking about doing something similar with a RTX 3080 10GB. The Ti version of this GPU card has 12GB. When I tore down the GPU to bare PC board to replace the thermo compound, I noticed that the board had two unoccupied spaces where the extra 2GB of memory would live if this were a Ti version board. I was thinking about adding the missing RAM chips but was concerned that the board would not recognize the additional memory due to addressing issues. Decided to not take the risk in case my concern was valid in which case I would not have any idea on how to correct the problem.
Your concern was valid. Installing memory in the empty slots would not work as the data lines on those slots are dissabled from the GPU core. However if you had to install memory there the GPU would not have booted or given you a black screen.
I am really interested in learning this kind of stuff. How did you acquire your knowledge about this stuff, and do you have any recommendations on where to start?
I repair GPUs for the last 6 years and electronics for the last 20 plus years. Apart from my own experience I also watch other electronics repair TH-camrs to upgrade my knowledge.
Oddly enough team Red has been adding 12gb to 16gb ram to many of their newer releases. Even Intels Arc A770 comes with 16GB. I dropped Nvidia after the 20 series launch, with that 2070 FTW3 super still running strong. The Arc A770 I bought "Just to see" has been a flawless performer even out pacing my borrowed 4060 just to test things out. Though admittedly the 4060 is better it still sports on 8gb of ram which gimps it in newer titles with high graphics settings.
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's always great to hear about real-world performance comparisons. Your insights really help others make informed choices when upgrading.
Currently I am working on a 3080 Ti upgrade which is similar to 3080 10Gb. There are some issues whichbi am not able to fix yet. Once I fix them I will release a video and start to accept GPU for upgrades. But as off now it's a long way off.
There are no artifacts only blackscreen when the load is off. it has to be rebooted and its back to normal. I am working on a fix. many have suggeted some work arounds i will try that and check.
Thanks for the video, it gives me courage, I'm sure I can do it. The problem is the SMDs around the vram chip that desolder and move, a real mess 😄You put a green protection on it, what was it? what if we stop them with kapton tape?
It happens to me as well. the SMDs move and sometimes are lost. it's just a part of the repair. I'm sure you can do it. the best is to practice on a dead board before trying it on a working board.
the green protection is for the capacitors so they don't blow up, it a piece of s Sprite tin can, you can use kapton tape but the piece of a Coca cola can is better.
Your clear explanation of this subject matter earned you a sub. I've never felt comfortable changing so many mem modules at once, maybe if I get some free time I try this on some obsolete boards for training, in the meantime I try to enjoy my evga 3070 while it has 8gb of VRAM
Thank you so much for subscribing! I appreciate your feedback. It’s always great to hear that my content is helping others feel more confident in their tech skills.
I understand the business reasons for them not doing so since if Nvidia had released a 3070 16GB we'd probably all still be using them.
Thanks for sharing your insight! It’s always interesting to hear different perspectives on how business decisions shape our tech landscape.
So nvidia want us to buy a new card every release for them to make money, kinda dick move but understandable.
@NOOBGAMER-pm1pv crazy thing is that nividia gpus for consumers like u and I isn't even where they really make the most money. They are more of an ai server company then anything else. Giving us a better card that lasted longer wouldn't hurt them it might even promote sales but hey what do I know lol
@@def-po8tu yeah i heard about that, gamers gpu are minor profit for them, they make most of their money from AIs and server nowaday, but still, its a dick move
i have a 12 gig 3060.
While we were upgrading our GPU's... This man is out here _upgrading his GPU_
Fine I'll do it myself
Guy's a fucking neurosurgeon. Plain and simple.
I actually did this EXACT same thing myself just over 30 years ago when I was a teenager. Strangely enough, it worked! Today it's a whole different ballgame: You need SKILL.
incase you missed it , his name sounds like frieza lmao
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@@jaxsonmerchant lmao correction fail
12:45 The black screen is a know issue when you do that memory upgrade mod, here in Brazil the workaround we found was set the power management to max performance.
Thank you for sharing. I will try that. 🫡
@@a.g2902 this just in he exploded maximumly
Does that mean that card will always run at full power and won't underclock to save power when just browsing the internet?
I assume the memory timing straps are too tight for double capacity memory chips? So that when it drops to idle speeds, the timings get very tight. That's just the first thing that comes to my mind. I believe he used some custom straps, but there's several that ya need, from idle to max and everything in between, all 7-8 stages. Could be any one of the performance stages other than max.
@@alexdavies7112Depends on the BIOS not the GPU BIOS but your motherboard BIOS some mobo can leverage both the integrated graphics if there is one and the GPU that you have
NVIDIA Control Panel -> 3D parameters -> Global parameters -> Power management mode: and set the maximum performance mode there.
Thank you brother. I will try this and test. I will update it in part 2 soon
Doesn't change much on the lower-mid end variants of the card
As with most things JaysTwoCents says; terrible advice.
Doing this makes the VGA idle at high clock speeds, causing high power draw when the card isnt doing anything.
All for a margin for error improvement in benchmark score, not worth it
@@AndroidBeacshire , This is a solution to the black screen problem with increased VRAM, not because of some points in benchmarks. The solution is not very good, but it still allows the video card to work with doubled VRAM, and not to crash every time after 3D load.
@AndroidBeacshire this is true BUT notice he thinks the issue is the power dropping below 12v and then crashing? Well this could address that issue. A bandaid fix but could still be a fix none the less. He clearly voided the warranty on card, so that aspect shouldn't be considered.
These mods will save a lot of these video cards from now on, not only because of the potential of the RTX 3000 which are more moderate to make than AMD's for now! But because of the time and useful life in the hands of each user, opening this range of options in the hands of engineers like you to do this work which for me is a greatness of very relevant size for the community. My congratulations!👑
I really appreciate your kind words! Thank you
"More moderate to make than AMDs" - wdym by that? Easier to make?
@@thefilthycasual448 i want to know what he's pointing at too! plz elaborate @rogerhul1573
I wish you would explain what you’re doing during the time lapse for those of us who want to learn more about the steps and processes involved. Watching you drop whatever liquid that is on before and after meant nothing to folks trying to understand.
My apology. I will do it in my next video. But if there is anything you want to know you can ask and I will answer.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7qlI would also like a step per step guide with all the needed in the description, keep up with the good content
Man you are so talented to be able to do something like this! This looks like it would be difficult to pull off...BUT, I will attempt it myself. Great video!
Thank you very much!😁
I'd suggest to get some sort of cheap donor to learn on. Don't do this on your main card or anything that you use on daily basis. Otherwise it'll hurt far too much if you ruin the one thing you need at any given time. Luckily I was smart about this when it comes to PS4 controller repairs. I have three controllers (one original, 2 cheap aliexpress replicas), cheap controller had pretty gnarly stick drift and original one has a slight one, for learning I used the replica one in case I screw up and I did, now that controller is dead, but I learned so much from that and managed to swap analog sticks on my original one after that failure. Just a simple repair yet so easy to mess everything up.
Don't be scared to fail, just be mindful when it comes to these upgrades (if it's not broken, don't try to fix it unless you know what you're doing and will be able to revert everything back to normal with applied upgrade)
@@luckgrip252 this is VERY good advice
@@luckgrip252 im going to try it on a 4060 actually. I needed another pc a while back in an emergency, and was aiming for really anything 13th gen in the cheapest prebuilt i could find.
I have had this brand new 4060 just sitting around that i probably would never do anything with...what the hell, a 16gb 4060 would be pretty cool lol
And if i fuk it up 🤷
@@AnEyeRacky It's the risks that you're willing to make. If it was your main driver and only card around, you would feel that "do I really need this?" But since that 4060 of yours would gather dust anyways, then yeah, why not.
It‘s been a few months since I enjoyed a Video this much. I am at 10:31 the time flew so fast! It‘s so interesting, thank you!
I'm so excited for this videos...was waiting patiently. Thanks for your work and video's
Thank you 🫡
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql indeed a great video, how long until Part 2? :D looking forward to it
Veryy innovative and I wish you success. Im surprised you discovered the strap resistors - usually people dont know about them.
I literally had to hunt the straps on the board.
First timer on your channel. Thanks, and keep up the good work. You deserved that Sub!
Thank you so much for your kind words! I really appreciate your support and am thrilled to have you here!
Great video!! I've been doing bga reballs for a while now but never with GPU's. Interested in seeing part 2 :) Also, I've been trying to find that video card power adapter setup you show on your desk, is that a custom one with the orange locking flaps? Thanks!
Yes it's a custom supply. It sources its main power from a bench power supply. It has its own circuit but I have disconnected it. The case of it is a tiffin box.
It's just extremely odd that Nvidia decided to put 12GB on the 3060, yet not the 4060 nor 3070. Or atleast place the 12gb on the 3060ti, that would make more sense. Extremely backwards components.
That was to make sales without taking away sales from more expensive products, it's market segmentation for more money. A slow card with more memory,a fast card with less memory,a fast card with more memory,charge through the nose for the card that has it all but still sell the crappier cards then sell them a new one when it isn't good enough.
This upgrade is definitively worthwhile if one has the faster binned 2GB Samsung too (K4ZAF325BM-HC16). RTX 3070 is severely VRAM limited in many new games, including Jedi Survivor, Horizon Forbidden West, Cyberpunk 2077 and many others. Those games need at least 11GB of VRAM, so even RTX 3080 10GB is having not enough. It is also interesting that RTX 3080 10GB is already obsolete, in terms of VRAM, yet many pay hefty price for it, only to realize they run out of VRAM.
Yes 3070 is a good card with a tiny 8GB. It's like injustice to this card.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql nvidia deliberately does that.
yeah and in 1080p that is. It already needs 9-10 gb at least in 1440p 11.
Those games need at least 11GB of VRAM... uhh I run cyberpunk almost maxxed out on a 4060 with only 8GB of vram.. and raytracing on with no issue lol. Around 70 FPS
@@DarkAttack14 no way.
Good stuff ! i thought about to upgrade my 2080 ti to 24gb or just buy a rtx 40.. card in the future.
Thank you for your videos, i love them !
NEVER GIVE UP
Thank you 😊
Would it be possible to do this with a 3070Ti? I would like to use the faster gddr6x memory as the extra bandwidth would increase the performance of the vram upgrade
I don't have a 3070Ti with me. If I do i will give it a try
One of the most underrated yt channel
This crashing after switching back to idle is a known problem after upgrading cards to a "non official VRAM amout".
Maybe some older drivers will work but I'm not sure. Furthermore you can try the card in Linux if switching back to idle after load works there.
Another work-around I've seen is to add some more capacitors to the memory rail. Maybe it will reduce the peeks after changing the load.
Wow glad you mentioned this. I will try this out. Thank you again for leaving your comment. 🫡
Wow... very impressive -- almost wants to make me try it myself! Did you have to do anything special besides the high performance in Nvidia Settings (firmware modifications, moving resistors like I saw in other videos, etc.) to get it work?
No modification is required. Straight swap of memory and change straps that's it.
New sub! I don't know why I find watching this work so theraputic. Love your work and thank you!
I'm incredibly grateful for your kind words and support! It’s wonderful to hear that my work resonates with you. Thank you for joining the community!
Waiting for Part 2
I have two 3070's. One EVGA and one MSI. Both cards run really well at 1440p, so I don't think I'll mess with them at this time. I do appreciate seeing what it would take to upgrade the memory.
I hope you like the video. If you are happy with the performance of the 3070, use it the way it is. It's still a good GPU.
Really. All the tech universe says 8gb is not enough VRAM. They are just trash.
You must be an invader from another universe...I'm reporting you to the universe invasion society.
Joking of course. But yeah the hate on the GPU VRAM from tech tubers is real.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql I do have a 4070 in my personal machine, but the two 3070's are in my office for my grandkids to play on. For the kind of computers I build these cards are a good match with the mid-range platforms they reside on. Oh, and I do have a lot of respect for anyone able to upgrade or repair computer components.
I’m also an EVGA 3070 owner, and I don’t see myself upgrading for another couple of years. It’s an excellent 1440p card paired with a decent CPU.
Absolutely. It all depends on the games the user plays. Not all games require more VRAM. 3070 is a good GPU and will meet your requirements as is. You have made the right choice. 😁
I'm having the same issue with my RTX 3080
Great job! I'm waiting for part 2.
Soon 😁
ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC WORK!!! Subscribed and look forward to watching all your vids. I never use such terms but excellent, extremely impressive idea and work!
Thank you 😊
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Pls do part 2 - I play DCS and have a 3070/12gb and need to know if its worth doing this RAM update, should be a big money saver in the long run.
The one I really wonder about is the 3080 10gb to 20gb mod. I know there were places in China actually selling a 20gb version.
Wow, i never thought this was a possibility, thank you for showing us
Your protective heatshields are amazing. Thanks for sharing 🤙
Soda can. 😂🤣 But it's the best shield
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql I noticed that haha. I've done the same thing when making repairs in the field. Love to see it
Crucial for NVidia cards! ;-)
really nice work, love it (As a tip, maybe it would be good to invest in a slightly better microphone, good English by the way)
Working on it! 😀
Wow! I like this style of videos, my brotha! Awesome breakdown and very well explained! Thumbs up!
Thank you my brother. Learning as I progress. Thanks to all the feedback from you and other viewers. 🫡
i always heard about this but i didn't know much about it, this is a high quality video explaining it!
Please do before and after benchmarks.
Thank you for your input! I appreciate your feedback and will look into incorporating before and after benchmarks in part 2 of this video!
Hi can you release the part 2, Im curious to see if it works with no black screen issue
Soon
3070 owners worldwide are praying for the new video
Nice work so far. I got an evga 3070ti. I overpaid for it during the mining craze sadly. I play games only.
3070Ti is a good card. 😁 Those mining days craze.
I have the exact Zotac card in the vid, paid 900$ for it in January 21 but I knew I'll be able to mine at least some of it back and actually mined more than double at current prices, upgraded to a 6800xt for 500$ in late 22 because 8gb wasn't enough for me already.
The primary distinction of VRAM is the occasional micro stuttering however some people exaggerate that lower VRAM will make a game unplayable. In reality 8GB of VRAM at 1080p/1440p resolution with DLSS/FSR and high/medium quality settings is quite sufficient. This card is not designed to run native 4K at ultra quality.
Man, 16GB on a 3070 TI would be fire
u ever heard of AMD???
@@taivas7216 Yes, but I like Nvidia features more
@@Clodericklike what
@@helpiamsuffering603 DLDSR, DLSS, FrameGen, RTX HDR and RTX Super Resolution
Rtx 3070 ti doesn't get frame generation. Also, I'd rather run native 4k resolution without TAA for the same benefits, RTX dont count given the cost and its a castrated version of raytracing @Cloderick
Thank you for the video. I always wondered if someone could replace/upgrade the "built-in" memory. It was interesting watching it being done. Definitely not for the amateur. Awesome skills you have.
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Buying RX6800 was my best decision ever
Hope you show before and after benchmark in part 2
on games that uses less then 8GB, the 3070 is better than my 6700XT... but games that uses more than that, my 12GB makes a huge difference!! Imagine for the future when even indies uses 8GB+
So interesting, a true craftsman 💪
Thank you 😊
i´ll be waiting for part 2
can't wait for results. i'd like to increase vram in 3080 palit gamingpro lhr from 10 to something about 20. houdini, blender, unreal engine.
Instant subscribe. I always felt this way about the 3070.
Thank you. Happy to have you onboard🫡
People always say that the bottleneck when you go over your VRAM is the system RAM. However, in reality, your system RAM isn't all that much slower than your VRAM. The problem is the PCIe slot bandwidth!
Even a full 16 lanes of PCIE Gen 5 can only match the bandwidth of 3200 MHz DDR4. And there is no GPU that supports Gen 5 PCIe yet. The max you can expect is 16 lanes of PCIE Gen 4; which is half of that bandwidth!
You are right. The bottleneck is the PCIE bandwidth. But compared to the GDDR6 VRAM, GDDR4 is much slower. GDDR6 is directly available to the GPU compared the the DDR4 RAM which has totravel through the PCIE than to tthe CPU and then to the DDR4 RAM and make its way back. This is a topic on its own. May be i will cover it in the future.
It's not just the bandwidth, but also the distance travelled causing latency, something you don't want when you need things ASAP to continue work.
check the back of the pcb core A*** varients or quadro varients, i bet theres an extra cap to smooth out transient spikes on higher capacity/storage moduals. more storage larger voltage pool sitting there = more spike. i also noticed this is a zotac card, they are extra narrow/cheap/inadequate on the smoothing caps on the back of the core/pcb in the center. mibbi upgrading them will solve the issue as it was a problem on early 3000 series cards at stock.
Thank you for the tip. I will try it out
Nice work sir :)
Thank you so much! Your encouragement means a lot to me!
Damn, this was a very interesting video and a very good overview of the GPU hardware. Its complex but also simple at the same time. Very eloquent.
Thank you 😊. I'm glad you liked the video.
3070ti was really good card, is like 7700xt, just with 4gbs less.
But kind of funny it took a whole generation for AMD to catch up with Nvidia.
Great Video, I'll look forward to the follow up video! Pretty sure it's Power dip of some sort! Overall entertained! You complete this, and I'll take a crack at it! Got 3 Gpu's sitting around at 8gb's! Time to repurpose!
🇬🇦 Mbolo/Hi👋🏿, great video...can it be done on Quadro T1000 8G and on Msi RTX 2080 Super Gaming X trio?
Quadro T1000 i have not tried but on a 2080 Super, it is possible.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql am definitely going to contact you
I have the White Edition version of that card. I just subbed and liked. If you indeed have a guide on this 2 parter, I am going to give it a go. I would love 16GB on my card. It would give it life that it wasn't going to get otherwise. The issue I see with the 3070 has always been VRAM limitation as I like to play in 4K. Once it starts using that 8GB of cache it yanks from main memory, you can see the issues. I noticed that the extra VRAM on these cards prevent the .1% and 1% low dips that are common with 8GB cards trying to run in 2160p. That in itself is worth it. I have thought about selling this card and buying a used 2080 Ti with the money for too long now. I have also considered financing a 4080 Super. Both of these ideas should not be things I think about. Ever. This card should have come with the 12GB they gave the 3060. It would have made so much more sense.
I've had a similar issue with my 3090 where gpu worked fine while browsing and gaming but when exiting game it would crash. I've flashed the bios to latest version but that didn't helped. What fixed it was taking off the factory overclock by enabling "Debug mode" in Nvidia control panel which will run Nvidia's reference clock for Gpu core and ram.
Great. I will try it.😁
you have no problem
if you succeeded with running occt at 10% memory, but not at 90% memory, and if the problem is with a specific memory chip, you might be able to narrow down which specific memory chip it is by progressively stepping up the memory size in occt
Great video! I wish this could be done with my MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z 8gb! 🤔
It can be done and it works too. 😁
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql The Russian TH-camr VIK-on tried, but he couldn't get his modded RTX 2070 16gb stable. That's interesting if it is possible!
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql wow! And the card fully works and it's stable?
Yes, is just more memory@@lQuadXl
No it's not fully stable. There are crashes. I am working to fix those. I think I should make a video on 2070
Interesting vid subbed.
Thanks for the sub! 😁
I wish I can go to Dubai to have my 3070ti upgrade in your shop
does he not ship LOL?
@@ExtremeGamersBenchmarkswith shipping and labor cost you could get a new card
@@alb-bos some just put comment but no brain cells to think the logic
probably you have to make a custom bios to adjust the idle power for it to be a bit higher for the memory.
I will try that. 😁 Thank you for the input.
Where would someone start if they wanted to learn how to do something like this(eventually)?
A great starting point is to break down the skills you need to learn and find resources like tutorials or online courses. Practice consistently, and you'll be on your way! I would recomend you watch Richard's (Learn Electronics Repair) videos where he teaches about each component. that would be the right start.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Thank you for the guidance/advice. Your video is beyond impressive and well done. That level of talent is inspiring and infectious. But, I think many of us who commented will be equally impressed that you took the time to respond to so many comments and questions. Thank you again for sharing you artistry and providing the inspiration to take on a completely new challenge. I know we are all excited to see part 2.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Could you make please a video where you list every tool someone that wants to specialize in GPU repairs needs? This info is not easy to discern from my google searches.
@@encapsulatio sure I will make a video of it.
Great work, super interesting project, I really like your videos. Well done.
Thank you! Cheers!
Simply, clear and well done done. Huge video. In my head, watching you working, I only hear the song "smooth operator"
I really appreciate your feedback! It means a lot to know that the video resonated with you.
Wow. Very informational! Would this kind of upgrade work on the Legion Go?
Thank you. I have not tested upgrades on laptops yet.
Can you upgrade laptop gpus as well
I have not tried it. But if I get my hands i would like to try.
*STUPID QUESTION...*
old post but... have you tried without the fans? (run the fans to the MOTHERBOARD instead)
When I modded my last couple graphics cards with Noctua fans I got coil whine. I realized it had to do with POWER DELIVERY as the design ASSUMES a certain amount of current in certain spots. When I ran the fans to the MOTHERBOARD instead the coil whine went away. I doubt that would be related, but you never know.
Thank you for the suggestion. I have not tried it.
I'd love to see a 3090 24GB to 48GB. That would be an LLM monster
the power would be crazy just do that on the rtx 4090
@@yooooomg the 3090 is fast enough for LLMs honestly, it's just missing the extra VRAM. 4090s are still ridiculously expensive, 3090s are out there in the used market, they just make more sense for that particular application
cant wait for part 2!
I have that exact 3070, bought it new in January of 21, was happy with the card for around a year and then started to run into vram size issues so upgraded to the 6800xt and very happy with it.
The black screen issue might be your power supply, the 3000 series had very bad transient spikes so it's probably hitting a spike just when the load stops, I have a 1200W PSU so didn't have any issues with my 3070 or 6800xt.
Sure I just replaced the power supply. The old one I was using was 1600watts but it's toast now. Got a new one 1550Watts thermaltake. Let's see how it goes.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Did it go well??
Scary how youtubers got you to change a perfectly good card due to "VRAM" issues lmao. ITS SCARY how easy people trust everything on the internet.
@@pothitoskourtis lol scary how people assume stuff and scarry how easy they think they know it all, unfortunately usually those people are wrong just like you. It was before the youtubers started talking about it and it was because I was mining ETH at the time and wanted to keep mining while I played games and some games ran on the 3070 no problem while mining but some didn't, after switching to the 6800xt I had no such problems any more + both cards were basically free as I mined enough ETH to pay for both and even got some left.
@@Roman00744 i had no such problem with the 2070 and its 8gb vram and still have no problem now with a 4070ti and its 12gb vram on a 4K monitor. Theres no vram problems and i prefer to believe what i see versus a youtube video mostly testing stuff on broken pc ports of playstation games like the last of us, heck even hogwarts legacy was a solid 60fps experience on a 2070 non super on 2K with mixed medium/high settings.
Great video! Any updates / part 2 on the way? :)
Yes, soon. It's just that I'm tied up with a large repair queue.
waiting on part 2 awesoecontent
Soon it will be up 😁
Could you please explain why e.g., 4Gb chips couldn't be used instead
The highest capacity produced till date on GDDR6 and GDDR6X is 2GB.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Wow thank you, I'm not sure why that's so surprising to me.
They should make vram modular instead of having to get a whole new graphics card.
Not worth it for them, corporate greed.
This is quite interesting... I only put this on on a side screen to stop my PC from going to sleep while I was doing some stress testing on a few android devices I was working on... It's always tricky trying to rework boards with hot air(And I'm meaning SOIC-8, Like SPI flash chips for BIOS).... Doing BGA's is just a nightmare. Especially if they're sensitive ones... I'm lucky my day job has an entire PCB line from pick and place to test. So I get to sneak a few of my experiments through their reflow ovens after hours.. Even then I've found it can not work well.
Underclock the memory and see if stability and black screens disappear. Use MSI afterburner or your choice of control software.
Thanks for the tip! I appreciate your input. I will try it and test it.😁
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql There is already a video on TH-cam on the Vik-off channel with the results of the alteration. He came to the conclusion that the frequency was jumping up due to a driver error. The decision is to lock the memory frequency. PS: I'm looking forward to you doubling the memory on the RTX 3080 ti up to 24 Gb.😇
good music with the piano my friend. very fun video.
Thank you very much 😁
Interesting video , looking forward ro part 2 thanks for your work man
I really appreciate your kind words! Your support means a lot, and I can’t wait to share Part 2 with you soon!
one thing i would like to see is gpus to have removable ram just like your computer can add or upgrade when you want.. what would also be cool is for cpus like the old intel to come in a gpu format
nvidia be like "shut up"
Im always thinking my 3060Ti would be last forever if Nvidia put 16 GB on that card
Is this possible for the dreaded 12GB 4070 cards ? (I think the 5070 and 5080 will need this as well)
Unfortunately none of the 40 series can be upgraded. They all use 2 GB memory modules which is the largest capacity produced. And they have limited active slots.
Reballers today are Ballers tomorrow
I have beautiful EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3070 and I would love to have it upgraded to 16GB because I cant afford a latest better GPU right now. But Unfortunately there aren't any GPU repair professionals in my country who will be able to do this🙁
Which country are you from
Imagine RTX 4060 non ti 12 gb and 4070 16 gb. Always remember a commercially oriented company would never bring out a product that is so good that you don't have to buy the next generation of products
That would be great but Nvidia....
Waiting for ❤Part 2
If this upgrade of the RTX 3070 becomes possible and safe, will it be possible to send you a card and have the upgrade performed? I looked for the costs of such an operation on your website, but I couldn't find them.
Yes once i manage a work around for the black screen issue.
well done!! it'll definitely a performance boost on ai workloads!
That's the plan!
It's extensive work, but it seems to be the most affordable solution for at-home machine learning. NVlink, with a couple of upgrades to 22GB 2080, is more affordable than the RTX quadros.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It’s always great to hear from fellow enthusiasts who are exploring affordable options for machine learning. Keep pushing those boundaries!
Great video, thank you for the effort.
Glad you enjoyed it!
it is simplier that changing mac chip
I look forward to part 2
This was very interesting. I was thinking about doing something similar with a RTX 3080 10GB. The Ti version of this GPU card has 12GB. When I tore down the GPU to bare PC board to replace the thermo compound, I noticed that the board had two unoccupied spaces where the extra 2GB of memory would live if this were a Ti version board. I was thinking about adding the missing RAM chips but was concerned that the board would not recognize the additional memory due to addressing issues. Decided to not take the risk in case my concern was valid in which case I would not have any idea on how to correct the problem.
Your concern was valid. Installing memory in the empty slots would not work as the data lines on those slots are dissabled from the GPU core. However if you had to install memory there the GPU would not have booted or given you a black screen.
You can upgrade RTX 3080 10 GB to 20 GB only, replacing the existing 1GB chips, with 2GB chips. RTX 3080 only supports 10 chips.
I am really interested in learning this kind of stuff. How did you acquire your knowledge about this stuff, and do you have any recommendations on where to start?
I repair GPUs for the last 6 years and electronics for the last 20 plus years. Apart from my own experience I also watch other electronics repair TH-camrs to upgrade my knowledge.
Finally, the ryzen 3070
sorry dude, but that is very stupid..🤨
ZTT would be proud
AMAIZING i never knew it was so easy
and they sell 8gb to make sure you realise your mistake and rebuy sooner, filth
What happens after the black screen? does it recover or do you have to restart your whole PC? looking forward to part 2! ❤
I have to restart the PC. I am yet to continue the testing. Once I am able to fix the issue I will release part 2 of this videos.
Oddly enough team Red has been adding 12gb to 16gb ram to many of their newer releases. Even Intels Arc A770 comes with 16GB. I dropped Nvidia after the 20 series launch, with that 2070 FTW3 super still running strong. The Arc A770 I bought "Just to see" has been a flawless performer even out pacing my borrowed 4060 just to test things out. Though admittedly the 4060 is better it still sports on 8gb of ram which gimps it in newer titles with high graphics settings.
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's always great to hear about real-world performance comparisons. Your insights really help others make informed choices when upgrading.
How do we know if the GPU could take in 16gb?
if motherboards have limits , Do GPUs have one?
There is no way to know. It's all trial and error.
Do you do upgrades for money?
How much would a 3080 10G to 16GB or 20GB conversion cost?
Currently I am working on a 3080 Ti upgrade which is similar to 3080 10Gb. There are some issues whichbi am not able to fix yet. Once I fix them I will release a video and start to accept GPU for upgrades. But as off now it's a long way off.
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7ql Can't wait. Which country are you in? Can you give an estimated cost for such an upgrade?
@@GraphicsCardRepairs-tk7qlIs the issues is artifacting on windows or games
There are no artifacts only blackscreen when the load is off. it has to be rebooted and its back to normal. I am working on a fix. many have suggeted some work arounds i will try that and check.
I am in UAE. The upgrade would cost $185 for 3070. I would suggest to wait for me to resolve the blackscreen issue.
Thanks for the video, it gives me courage, I'm sure I can do it. The problem is the SMDs around the vram chip that desolder and move, a real mess 😄You put a green protection on it, what was it? what if we stop them with kapton tape?
It happens to me as well. the SMDs move and sometimes are lost. it's just a part of the repair. I'm sure you can do it. the best is to practice on a dead board before trying it on a working board.
the green protection is for the capacitors so they don't blow up, it a piece of s Sprite tin can, you can use kapton tape but the piece of a Coca cola can is better.
Your clear explanation of this subject matter earned you a sub. I've never felt comfortable changing so many mem modules at once, maybe if I get some free time I try this on some obsolete boards for training, in the meantime I try to enjoy my evga 3070 while it has 8gb of VRAM
Thank you so much for subscribing! I appreciate your feedback. It’s always great to hear that my content is helping others feel more confident in their tech skills.