@@Sweetchilliheat18 why are you comparing CNC and manual? I'm not saying that the manual doesn't still have its use, but the CNC will beat the manual at any time!
I recognize that gearbox on the turret. They're like $50 on Amazon. I have a few of them in my shop. I didn't think they were rigid enough for a machine tool. Interesting.
This seems a lot more educational than the Hass controller simulator. Those things aren't cheap and you never really learn how tool offsets work. I like the idea of having a real Hass controller on this. They are good controllers and there's a lot to learn on them. You could easily get up to speed on most any Hass machine after learning on hear. I'd put a small boring bar where that tap was and you could make all sorts of precision bushings on this.
Lots of things. For instance if a tool is cutting on od undersize, how much do you change the offset. For the beginner, knowledge of the seriousness of misplacing decimal points. Do you punch in a negative or positive adjustments. For a lot of people the very concept of saving all these tool positions and then the computer will take the appropriate offset to work with. Once again making sure that the tool is in the appropriate offset that is in the program.
It’s so cute!!! I guess you could make fancy bolts out of brass. Wonder if it plays music or has another function? Wonder how well this would compare to a 6” or 8” swing bench lathe with stepper motor control CNC ran by a cheap lap top for an extra 500-600 dollars?
Use case is important to consider... This is perfect for schools teaching CNC. Teaching on manual machines is a lot like teaching how to use manual typewriters anymore. CNC is the future like it or not, has been for decades...
@@Sweetchilliheat18 Sounds like your use case is satisfied by a manual machine, cool. I love my manual but I have a couple of friends that would not be in business without their CNC machines.
@@Sweetchilliheat18 If that's the kind of comment you leave when you're in a shitty mood...? Nothing to worry about. Didn't really register on my agro meter, so... you're good man. Like I said, my manual lathe is good for me but if I get any busier or start doing any bigger more repetitive jobs... I'll add a cnc to the shop. Not yet though, not yet... Never going without the manual lathe or mill.
We have a bunch of manual lathes for pipe work. The cost of the cnc's vs. the manuals can not be justified for a job that takes 30 minutes to set up and 15 minutes to run on the manual lathe. Some of the pipes we do are up to 20 inches in diameter and up to 540 inches long. BTW the manual machinist in our shop are getting paid way more than the cnc guys because of the lack of skill it takes to run a cnc vs the manual and the lack of people who want to run it. Most of the cnc guys get paid around $25 an hour where the manual guys are making $30+.
Their business isn't geared toward making a machine like that. It's a starter machine, they do pretty good, but their shortcomings become apparent when you start comparing it to higher price point manufacturers. I've run brand new UMC500ss', VF3ss, VF2/SS, ST-20Y, DT, DM, old 2's, 3's, 4's E's, even 0's from the 80's with the plastic shell. I used to work at the second largest Haas shop in the country with over 140 mills. They are okay, not great, not nearly as good as a Mazak, Grob, Dusan, DMGMori or anything in the high price range.
I run a haas CL-1 and sometimes an ST-28 and theyre not great machines. The ST has had issues since we had it delivered to the shop about a year ago. The CL does nice small work but its wonky sometimes. We also have a VF4ss and a UMC 500 and theyre ok machines but theyre not nearly as capable as they advertise.
@@Steve-sd7wk so it's not very reasonable to compare a machine for 100k vs a machine for 250k :D Doosan can be placed in same category as HAAS ! you can´t compare DMG,Mazak to Doosan...different quality, but honestly i love Doosan
@@LD-qj2te because "swiss" machines are specifically intended for a small market that requires precision in the production of small parts and especially speed, but the majority of the market does not need that
6mo warranty not a year, and no 2 year option? No unlimited tech support? They must be worried about Tormach and SYIL entering new people into the arena, to even bother with this.
I would LOVE to have CNC for turning small brass fittings and adapters ... I bet this summer I paid $00 JUST for small fittings and adapters putting a custom "Fuel Delivery System" ... and a Holley EFI system my work truck.
I guess schools might buy 1 or 2 of these. Good for getting machinetime and not just running a simulation. Calling it a machine for hobbyist is a far stretch IMO, hobbyist and colleges aren't going to have the same money to spend on "toys" :)
@@theofficialczex1708 i own a TL-1 when is the last time Haas has released a desktop lathe? Syil / Tormach, Sinecore and others are getting to customers earlier in the Life cycle.
manual lathes are a far superior learning tool imo, teaches you to respect the machine, tooling and workholding. after all it could literally kill you.
@@asdgfjoklWhy go to college to become a machinist? It is a waste of money. Almost all machine shops will hire you straight out of high school with no experience and after 2 years will be paying you more than someone starting out with a technical degree.
@@scottsolar5884 feedback of the cut, safety. etc. also to say that manual machines are NEVER used for production is a pretty hefty generalization. machining in my shop is like 90% CNC and 10% manual. i’ve used a lathe in the past week already to make fixturing components i couldn’t otherwise make on a cnc mill.
Allow a dual mill and lathe package with the same controller. If Haas made this with a live tool Y axis mode for training, it would be worth so much more for trainers. At the price they want even with educational discounts, it isn’t worth squat. They really are loosing the edge in potential training with this low grade system at that price point. Do a $13,000 dual machine package with one controller and it would sell, easily, even with the reduced functionality. The concept is supposed to be “train people on how the controller, setup and operation basics work” so that next level detailed training can be more advanced per machine. Give it more ability or lower the price. Barely any high schools or colleges are getting these. You are loosing potential. Too bad you don’t give educational pricing to private trainers, that would also be a good way to sell them… But as others state, it sure looks like it’s built to try and get over loaded state money with little in return, and priced in a way to try and get you to buy the big boy versions.
Haas- stop hiring green engineers. They build stupid things like this. Hire a real machinist to set up your next promo, it’s 2024, we don’t use center drills to spot holes. They are for tail stock support. I’m fairly certain you guys made a video Scott that around 7 years ago, back before you destroyed your brand with NGC.
I wonder on who's "desktop" would something this fucking big can fit? That word "desktop" has become some sort of catch all buzzword when companies want to "stretch" the truth to drive up interest. But this shit is anything but a desktop machine.
I love the Megaman-esque background music- it's a good look Haas!
$10,000 USD, 3000rpm spindle, 2.75” of X and Z travel
Hard Pass
its target audience is colleges for training probably
@@bArda26correct
@@bArda26They do actually say that in the first sentence of the video description :)
They also say it’s not for hard metals.
World's most expensive bolt maker.... As long as all you need is like 3/4" 1/4 20 bolts ?
Give it live tooling.
Congratulations to the talented Haas Video Team on 300k Subscribers! 🙏🏼💪🏼🔥
I know it’s a desktop mill but damn less than 3” of travel?
Designed inferiority
Take my manual king canada 12× 36 for 1/3 the price any day
Price points for CNC are laughable
Not a mill, doubt you would even want to turn something longer than 3" on a lathe this size.
@@jonathanplascencia7323 2.75” diameter is fine, but the length is stupid. I turn things longer than 2.75” a lot
@@Sweetchilliheat18 why are you comparing CNC and manual? I'm not saying that the manual doesn't still have its use, but the CNC will beat the manual at any time!
@@matejkuka797 not if you can't fit the part in the machine it won't
I recognize that gearbox on the turret. They're like $50 on Amazon. I have a few of them in my shop. I didn't think they were rigid enough for a machine tool. Interesting.
Well, the machine is for cutting brass, plastics and wax ;-).
@@first_namelast_name4923 Really? Is it that light duty?
va bene anche per lavorare alluminio?
If it's good for Brass?? It's better for aluminum! :)
This seems a lot more educational than the Hass controller simulator. Those things aren't cheap and you never really learn how tool offsets work.
I like the idea of having a real Hass controller on this. They are good controllers and there's a lot to learn on them. You could easily get up to speed on most any Hass machine after learning on hear.
I'd put a small boring bar where that tap was and you could make all sorts of precision bushings on this.
What is there to "learn" about tools offset??? It's all pretty much in the term tool offset !! :)
Lots of things. For instance if a tool is cutting on od undersize, how much do you change the offset. For the beginner, knowledge of the seriousness of misplacing decimal points. Do you punch in a negative or positive adjustments. For a lot of people the very concept of saving all these tool positions and then the computer will take the appropriate offset to work with. Once again making sure that the tool is in the appropriate offset that is in the program.
It’s so cute!!! I guess you could make fancy bolts out of brass. Wonder if it plays music or has another function? Wonder how well this would compare to a 6” or 8” swing bench lathe with stepper motor control CNC ran by a cheap lap top for an extra 500-600 dollars?
So it machines brass, that's great what about stainless steel?
It’s at best for training . Can’t do any significant cutting . Maybe for spare parts but I would get a used tool room or proto track type machine
Use case is important to consider... This is perfect for schools teaching CNC. Teaching on manual machines is a lot like teaching how to use manual typewriters anymore. CNC is the future like it or not, has been for decades...
For lazy people who want only gravy jobs
Been running streight manual for 12 years
1 part might take me a week
Pays the bills
@@Sweetchilliheat18 Sounds like your use case is satisfied by a manual machine, cool. I love my manual but I have a couple of friends that would not be in business without their CNC machines.
@@p.t.anderson1593 man i must have been in a shitty mood when i replied lol my bad.
@@Sweetchilliheat18 If that's the kind of comment you leave when you're in a shitty mood...? Nothing to worry about. Didn't really register on my agro meter, so... you're good man.
Like I said, my manual lathe is good for me but if I get any busier or start doing any bigger more repetitive jobs... I'll add a cnc to the shop. Not yet though, not yet... Never going without the manual lathe or mill.
We have a bunch of manual lathes for pipe work. The cost of the cnc's vs. the manuals can not be justified for a job that takes 30 minutes to set up and 15 minutes to run on the manual lathe. Some of the pipes we do are up to 20 inches in diameter and up to 540 inches long.
BTW the manual machinist in our shop are getting paid way more than the cnc guys because of the lack of skill it takes to run a cnc vs the manual and the lack of people who want to run it. Most of the cnc guys get paid around $25 an hour where the manual guys are making $30+.
Its adorable and i want it! Make a tr20 for the tiny mill too
love it!!! one more piece of magic to add to the shop.
What's going on with that tapping cycle? Never seen that before.
that’s called peck tapping! Not all machines have it. Works wonders for low horsepower spindles and/or tough materials
can it use a live center?
It's almost perfect, but I would love to have a 5C collet chuck instead of 3 jaw. This has max cutting diameter of only 0.75"
Wish haas would make a swiss
Their business isn't geared toward making a machine like that. It's a starter machine, they do pretty good, but their shortcomings become apparent when you start comparing it to higher price point manufacturers. I've run brand new UMC500ss', VF3ss, VF2/SS, ST-20Y, DT, DM, old 2's, 3's, 4's E's, even 0's from the 80's with the plastic shell. I used to work at the second largest Haas shop in the country with over 140 mills. They are okay, not great, not nearly as good as a Mazak, Grob, Dusan, DMGMori or anything in the high price range.
I run a haas CL-1 and sometimes an ST-28 and theyre not great machines. The ST has had issues since we had it delivered to the shop about a year ago. The CL does nice small work but its wonky sometimes. We also have a VF4ss and a UMC 500 and theyre ok machines but theyre not nearly as capable as they advertise.
Swiss are quite complex and many people have tried. That’s why there are really only 2 with a 3rd dominating the market
@@Steve-sd7wk so it's not very reasonable to compare a machine for 100k vs a machine for 250k :D Doosan can be placed in same category as HAAS ! you can´t compare DMG,Mazak to Doosan...different quality, but honestly i love Doosan
@@LD-qj2te because "swiss" machines are specifically intended for a small market that requires precision in the production of small parts and especially speed, but the majority of the market does not need that
What's up with the snail speed tool changes?
Do they get any smaller?
If this had a collet chuck option I would be interested for small components.
That "tool changer" is interesting
Here for the music
Should be good for teaching!
6mo warranty not a year, and no 2 year option? No unlimited tech support? They must be worried about Tormach and SYIL entering new people into the arena, to even bother with this.
Hmm pretty cool option, talk about space saver! 👍
It's cute! But, if you use a centerdrill to spot a hole before drilling just use the 120 degree tip, not the 60 degree sides.
very cool little lathe machine but the price is a bit crazy
I would LOVE to have CNC for turning small brass fittings and adapters ... I bet this summer I paid $00 JUST for small fittings and adapters putting a custom "Fuel Delivery System" ... and a Holley EFI system my work truck.
They literally just remade the Southbend Magnaturn from like 1984.
Almost worth it...
My high school had something like this 26 years ago. Super cool way to learn. I am sure most schools got rid of anything useful by now though.
Interesting way of making a turret.
I like to know the price for desktop leather machine
I soon have my final examination for CNC operator. Do you guys have any last minute helping words for a successful examination?
The key is in the eye contact and make sure you swallow it all so he knows you’re really committed.
That tool holder sounded suspiciously familiar 😂
*tool changer
Daniel Machado - Brazil
Get an emco for 2k
I guess schools might buy 1 or 2 of these. Good for getting machinetime and not just running a simulation.
Calling it a machine for hobbyist is a far stretch IMO, hobbyist and colleges aren't going to have the same money to spend on "toys" :)
Where is the coolant option
desktop cnc
i dont know
No coolant
And it's not rigid enough to part off brass ? 😂
That was grooving.
Were do u see that it's not rigid enough? They just didn't part it off. By the look of how it was grooving it wouldn't have any issue.
I wouldn't want to part off a part in any machine with out a catch tray.
Did you hear it? I’d also say it’s not rigid enough. This is simply a training aid in my opinion
You can go for sherline lathes. Good quality over there, and at a reasonable price.
Haas finally realizes that manufacturing is moving toward garages more and more.
It's probably to match their small desktop mill, which are pretty much just for education / schools
The TL-1 easily fits inside a garage and can run on 220 V.
@@theofficialczex1708 i own a TL-1
when is the last time Haas has released a desktop lathe?
Syil / Tormach, Sinecore and others are getting to customers earlier in the Life cycle.
Take my money!
Awe.. how cute..
manual lathes are a far superior learning tool imo, teaches you to respect the machine, tooling and workholding. after all it could literally kill you.
This is for training for CNC, I'm sure any respectable college would have you use a manual lathe first.
@@asdgfjoklWhy go to college to become a machinist? It is a waste of money. Almost all machine shops will hire you straight out of high school with no experience and after 2 years will be paying you more than someone starting out with a technical degree.
Why train on a machine you will never use in production?
I agree train on manual
@@scottsolar5884 feedback of the cut, safety. etc. also to say that manual machines are NEVER used for production is a pretty hefty generalization. machining in my shop is like 90% CNC and 10% manual. i’ve used a lathe in the past week already to make fixturing components i couldn’t otherwise make on a cnc mill.
NEATO....
Unless you specialized in really small parts not sure how practical it would be. Way to expensive as a learning tool to grow into bigger machines.
Allow a dual mill and lathe package with the same controller.
If Haas made this with a live tool Y axis mode for training, it would be worth so much more for trainers. At the price they want even with educational discounts, it isn’t worth squat. They really are loosing the edge in potential training with this low grade system at that price point.
Do a $13,000 dual machine package with one controller and it would sell, easily, even with the reduced functionality.
The concept is supposed to be “train people on how the controller, setup and operation basics work” so that next level detailed training can be more advanced per machine.
Give it more ability or lower the price.
Barely any high schools or colleges are getting these. You are loosing potential.
Too bad you don’t give educational pricing to private trainers, that would also be a good way to sell them…
But as others state, it sure looks like it’s built to try and get over loaded state money with little in return, and priced in a way to try and get you to buy the big boy versions.
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ну и шляпа
я лучше сделал чем "эти"))
А почему нельзя детям дать нормальный чпу для стали?
lol
Haas- stop hiring green engineers. They build stupid things like this. Hire a real machinist to set up your next promo, it’s 2024, we don’t use center drills to spot holes. They are for tail stock support. I’m fairly certain you guys made a video Scott that around 7 years ago, back before you destroyed your brand with NGC.
I wonder on who's "desktop" would something this fucking big can fit? That word "desktop" has become some sort of catch all buzzword when companies want to "stretch" the truth to drive up interest. But this shit is anything but a desktop machine.
Junk