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We here at Formula Kentucky would like to thank Brandon and Machine Time for machining our uprights this year. They do amazing work and their generosity helps us more than they can imagine. Generous people in the community are what allows us to succeed and we couldn’t be more appreciative.
Everyone needs to pause at 6:25 to appreciate this Calendar. It's hard to pick a favorite between "Book Sniffing" and the recurring "Pretend To Be Napping". 😂
As a member of an FSAE Team from Germany myself I have to thank you so much for doing this. Without people like you our cars would be nothing but a 3D model and a dream. Really appreciate the work you do. Take care
I'm getting cold sweats remembering trying to mill an FSAE upright on an ancient Emco F1 CNC training mill using a Windows 95 version of MasterCAM and drip feeding it over RS232. We quickly gave up and cut them from foam for an investment casting, which also didn't work. I ended up welding them up from steel tubing.
Never underestimate fabrication. The first thing I learned about welding is how devilishly strong good ones are. The second thing was how bad ones can sometimes sneak up on yout.
I'm recovering from a stroke right now, and can't get out in my shop. Your videos are keeping me sane, and helping me imagine getting back to work. Thank you!
Stay positive and keep up with the physio once you can get to it. You can callous your mind ready to pick up where you were before. Get well soon from the United Kingdom :)
Its been almost 12 years since mine and the best things I can say is yes you will get pretty much everything back if you put in the sweat and as mrnobody stated keep up on the therapies (dont forget to take the rest periods). The one thing I never got back was my referencing. Its like knowing every single person in your township, their names, addresses, occupations, etc. but then losing the index book then having to go find that one guy who knows how to do that one particular job. Its all still knocking around up there and you can see the face and street address and such but for the life of me I cannot remember the guys name!
It really blows my mind what complex geometry you are able to create with manual machines! We never did anything remotely complex in machineshop classes, really wish we did
Break it down to simple shapes and figure out how to hold the part firmly and accurately to complete your next step. It will take some time for you to see how you would accomplish this kind of task but it can be done and you'll learn a lot along the way. Next to the knee mill the bandsaw is an important tool. I remember making adaptor flanges for a transmission shop, drilling 0.750" holes through the 11" block and brazing a 0.625" blade through the hole. Then take the block and blade and install it into the bandsaw, 9 hours later you have your exterior hogged out shape ready to be sliced and finished in a jig mounted to a rotary table for your mounting surfaces.
@@SentinalhMC Yes, and no, there were some parts made here in Huntsville Alabama Rocket City USA with cnc, very early type, plotted in a mainframe, pushed out via 300 baud modem to a 3 1/2 axis G&L cobbled together from machining center 1 and 2 making it # 3 if it was ever given a number, I was only there later to upgrade the modem to 1200 baud, and that was a few years after we landed on the moon. The stories! Paper tape was being used a lot there as well, the 4 bit and oooh, 8 bit chips in the controllers would overheat all too often and need replacing. I saw pink styrofoam boards with dozens of the same chips on it. The reps would bring new ones and take away the old ones every few days. That company was A.C. Containers Inc if memory serves me. They bought the G&L from some outfit which had been the originator of the early parts used in the paint with a pen system running on a mainframe at Marshall. I think the mainframe was donated to UAH via lend-keep or some such. They, AC, made it a true 4 axis machine from what I remember and used it in creating missile deployment and transport containers. I think they may have changed names and logos several time in the last 50 years but checking out a local directory I see they are still around and even bigger.
Struggling to grasp why you think that's the "real lesson" of this video? Not saying it's not important, but that's really not the key takeaway by a longshot. Did you watch the entire video?
@@JTMarlin8the beauty of these Videos is there is always more than one takeaway, could be keeping connections to other likeminded people, the "dont let not having a cnc hold you back" ot "get into your own shop and do something" its really no limits
A great video and a good looking result. This shows exactly why manual milling tends to be used for one-off parts, but CNC rapidly pays off as soon as you add repeats. Which is good because with the cost of CNC machines, tooling and software, you need to be running through a lot of production to start getting your money back.
Cal Poly Racing Baja SAE member here. I had no idea it was even possible to do parts like that on manual. I especially appreciated the explanation of climb vs conventional milling. Great video!
99% of the time I have no idea what you are talking about as I have never touched a lathe but I love watching your videos. Your sense of humour and your attention to detail are brilliant.
Very cool concept of your video today yes CNC machines can make parts in no time but there is the setup time to consider and if someone needs more than one or two of something it is better to go with the CNC machines but if it a one off item then the older Manuel machines is a better idea
I can't imagine the level of concentration you have to maintain over 23 machining hours, knowing that the slightest error could junk this part. You have my highest appreciation of the machinists art!
I'm a cnc mill guy and I love watching the manual machining channels. I learn alot of different ways to process parts. I recently found your channel. I am definitely a fan.
Thank you for your time that you donated to that cause. As a machinist of 34 years, I must say I truly enjoy watching your content and honestly have picked up a few good ideas. The saying never to old or proud to learn. If you think you are then it's time to give it up. Thanks for all you do my friend. Prayers and thoughts.
Member of BYU FSAE here! This is our first year back in the competition since a win in 2012, and fully electric this year! CNC uprights are our last part needed for suspension
I too, participated in FSAE, albeit the hybrid version. I can remember knocking those parts out, working to optimize each component of the vehicle, one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had! Thanks for sharing this with us!
Just gonna lay this here and see if it gets picked up. For the rotary table and maybe even the corner rounder... Rotary DRO. Good stuff, nice to see something that looks like it was CNC'd come off the manual machines. Crazy nice
You made me stop the video and look. There is a company with “High performance linear metal tape, glass gratings, and rotary glass scales”. Assume the rotary glass scale is what you would be looking for to do this
I was thinking about this the whole time! I actually installed a rotary encoder on my rotary table (I've got a video series on it, if you're curious about how I did it). I can't help but wonder if it would've saved time.
I'm 90% sure that your video series was the one I saw and was referencing, it's a small world sometimes lol. You did a great job with it and I'm saving your videos to use as a reference for later. I hope it's still working well for you. @@fna-wrightengineering @richtes this is the guy that posted some great videos on the subject if you want to learn more about rotary encoders. They're also used commonly with servo motors for exact positioning.
I'm a few months behind, but my job is as a programmer for NC mills including 4 and 5 axis. I go my start though, back in high school with ROP Machinist Trainee classes, so I still love the manual machines. Nobody worth his salt that I've met running a CNC mill would call themselves a true machinist, unless they've had full experience with manual machines. I really appreciate your work with the manuals to remind us of where everything started.
I immediately recognized the finished part in the thumbnail, as I was the one for two years to design this exact piece for my team's racecars! All of those are only driving around, because many generous sponsors manufactured A LOT. Greetings from Germany!
I'm just a bodger with a mill and a lathe, but I love seeing what can be done by people who know what they're about. A CNC mill seems to be the ultimate machine tool, but as you've shown, for making one or two parts, the older machines are just as good. And, for hobby-machinists like me, one part is usually all that is wanted. Keep up the good work.
"Spreadshirt", "Adhesive Portal", "Yoga with Zebras", "Water the Driveway", "Clown Shoe Fitting" LMAO But somehow the funniest of all of these is "Chamfer the Pillow"
30 Years in the Tool & Die Industry. Squared my share of Blocks. Never had a Power feed, Always had to Turn the Handles. Really glad when Carbide Inserts came along. Thrn the Handles as fast as you can, Hold card board around the Bridge port Spindle as the Chips came off Dark Blue, Hot, like Machine gun bullets.
I'm a CNC machinist / programmer who learned as is still learning on the job (no previous experience at all). I've learned a lot from your manual machining and have a ton of respect for the precision and forethought you put into your work. Thank you for this.
2 days on CAM programming is outrageous tho. That's 1 hour job tops. Same for 6h of proofing but I'm more forgiving about everything else. How are they making any profit? In total that's maybe 4-5 hour job tops, if you watch tv shows while working.
@@kasparsjansons9220 Was thinking the same. Its a great video and all but 3hours machine time cant be right. That part is made out of aluminium max 30 minutes machine time and i am generous here
@kasparsjansons9220 if we assume that they only recently received a new machine, and people are not yet accustomed to its capabilities and limitations - it really could take a couple of days. But yes, after a month of hard work, you usually already do such things automatically, and you get quality that is an order of magnitude better than on a manual machine) I would like to see a comparison on scanning equipment of both parts to see real deviations from the drawing.
I am a SAE Baja alumni (they cut our formula team the year I started in engineering school) and this brings back some great memories. Thank you for all you do!
14:00 I've also found that sometime climb milling will give a better finish because of the direction the chips will take out of the cutter, however, I only take very small cuts due to my inexperience, and the small power of my very small machine. =D conventional milling can put the chips back under the cutter and cause vibrations and other problem with having to re-clear / recut the chips... granted you also have flood coolant helping clear the chips as well. And the CNC probably has coolant running out of the cutter, so yeah... Happy Friday!
I was always told it was because there was a positive engagement on the cutting edge, as opposed to conventional milling contacting on a rounded surface. Still, it only matters if the machine can handle it, so I get why some people dismiss it out of hand.
exactly! I didn't mention it but something that I've found helps is snugging up the table locks a little bit (assuming the push on the gibs) adds a little resistance to the situation preventing the climbing!
When I first started practicing machining on a table top Jet 15 bed mill, I learned the concept of climb milling. Especially when the machine has definitely seen better days. I had one bad experience with a carbide endmill that my dad gave me to use since he had an endless supply. I was cutting a plasma cut edge and no less climb cutting it, unbeknownst to me that was a bad idea until it detonated at the tips.
I've been in the trade since the summer of 2018, 99% manual machining. I just got a job offer for a globally competing CNC shop which are training me to learn CNC, starting next month! Next huge step in my career and passion. I love the work you do with the beautifully engineered parts/videos you make, crammed with knowledge. Especially showcasing the capabilities between manual and CNC machining in this video. Much respect for everyone in the industry with a drive for education. Much thanks from Canada
No Offense to anyone who started out directly with CNC but this is in my(biased) view one of the best ways to learn, on any CNC Machine you don't get as good as a feeling of what noise and chip requires what forces, whilst at the manual machine you can feel all that quite good. Especially 5 Axis machines do math the Machinist usually does not fully understand, let alone could calculate themselves in a feasible time frame. With Manual machining you need smarter ways than using a high power Computer to solve it for you. Running CNC Machines totally makes a lot of sense in 95% of the cases, but knowing the old school stuff is something that should not be easily abandoned.
What you said at the end of the video is correct. And now you can understand, why there a manual machines in prototyping a common thing till today. You will always need manual machines. And the better you know them, the better will be the outcome. As always a really good video. 👍
Im 70 yrs old, when i was in school, we had ONE machine (a lathe) that ran on a punchcard system...sort of like time cards with rectangular punched holes. We never used it, and All my machining was Manual. THAT is why I watch you and and others (and NOT CNC channels) I couldnt use CAD or CNC if my life depended on it. We're going to have a whole generation dependent on automatic machines with no idea how to use a Bridgeport or South Bend.......kind of like how youngsters can't tenn time on an analogue clock or drive a car with a clutch and 5 speed. Keep the Manusl Machining and superb drafting comming, and us old guys will envy your wonderful shop and tools....and wish we had a set up like you have.
I love seeing projects made in previous videos popping up in newer ones, such as the precision machinist jack at 17:45. It's like this chanel's version of product placement or cameos.
This was a good one! I started an apprenticeship as a CNC op about a year ago, pretty much thanks to you! Fun to see that you can still compete on the one-off parts!Cant wait to build up a garage workshop :)
Only ever working with CNC and CAM software and .. well basically modern machines/computers, it's fascinating to see how it would be done on manual machines. I feel that it requires so much more thought and planning and skill. Thank you for this content. Love it.
This was awesome to see your creativity on using old simple tools to race a CNC machine. Good work! Love the channel so far. I've been a machinist for a living going of 14yrs or so, but just got my first manual mill recently and am trying to figure out how to wisely invest in tooling for it. I already had rotary table and boring head high on my list, but watching the versatility, really validated that plan.
13:00 I have a complete manual machine with absolutely no dials (broke years ago), no DRO, and no power feeds. . . so this method is extremely wrist/elbow friendly. I love letting the tool and part do the heavy lifting *sic*. Just remember to factor that backlash in and imagine it like a handsy date trying to rush things and everything is manageable!
Amazing seeing the finished part appear from a billet of raw ally. I went the electronics direction after school rather than engineering, but I appreciate the skill, patience and time put into machining. It's beautiful.
As a civil engineer, I get a lot of pleasure in your problem solving. Having the ability to break things down to first principles (and I am reluctant to say) you are geared for engineering. Well done Logistics is always the root cause or the compounding factor to solve any issue.
CAM toolpath 12 hours ? No way. It's a relatively simple part even on a 3 axis machine. Craig needs to step up it's CAM game :) "Carefully verifying each toolpath for 6 hours" means just to set up stock and run a simulation. 30 min tops.
😂 to be fair to Craig, he's not a full time programmer. He runs Machine Time. He admitted to me his full time machinists could probably program in 3 hours or less.
A well experienced programmer-machinist will have a process plan and start the programming. After they have the first op or at least a decent amount of run time programmed they'll set up the CNC machine and start cutting chips. Then go back to the programming and program and machine concurrently. In bigger places with separate programmers who almost never machine most programs are done completely offline. No offense but that's not more than an hour programming time. You just aren't that experienced to know how and what can be done by very skilled CNC programmers. All of a manual machinist's time is at the task at hand. Also cad/cam systems verification modules suffice for most programs and certainly this part. So there's no need to actually tiptoe through the first part. Then run a "good" part. The first part should have been a good part unless the program was incorrect. The main takeaway is that for relatively simple parts or where the openness that a knee mill gives, CNC is more efficient. Also remember you are looking at a high skilled true machinist vs. a skilled but unfamiliar CNC setup person. Very good video which shows what it takes to manually machine a cad designed part.
Shop improval idea: install some covers for your electrical sockets. I think 27:23 shows very well, that metal chips will fly right into them someday. Even if they might not cause a short they can still jam the receptacles.
Good job, im actually impressed you two foto finished (trying not to spoil too much here). Now as you said, for 1 or two parts manual might be fine, but on a complex part like this cnc is usually always faster. Especially if you leave away the first stage of him making a prototype part, wed never do that even for 100+ series of parts. Plus switching milling machine and tools basically negated almost every benefit he had from making a prototype part. Even making the other parts is just mirroring the toolpaths and a few adjustments here and there. If you have a proper model of your machine then you can just verify within the cam software that you got no collisions and start of right away :)
Not to mention the improved finish and tolerances of CNC. A CNC mill that's measuring for tool wear, probing bores, and chasing .00005" just can't be competed with by a manual mill.
Necking down that ball mill - sneaky sneaky! Regarding manual machining - CAD makes you lazy in a way that adding complex features are very easy, and machining them is very hard. Where cnc really shines - banging out part after part after part.
̶C̶A̶D̶ ̶ CAM simply removes the limitations imposed by outdated technologies. It's the same as saying "planes make you lazy, instead of walking 1000 miles, you just read the newspaper in your chair for a couple of hours."
I spent 5 years running a manual mill and the last two years running a 3 axis CNC mill. You are spot on in your comparison of the two. I’m basically making the same parts on the CNC that I did on the manual only faster. However, there are times when I need to use the manual just to save some time in setup.
My brother was in FSAE at The University of Toledo and I ended up getting interested in the machining he was doing there and later after he graduated. I built a bench top CNC that lives in my basement with a small South Bend lathe. Love what you're doing!
I lived next to a pond while growing up and thought it was a "huge" body of water. Then I realized how small that pond was when I saw the ocean for the first time. I just had that same experience watching your video today!!! I've gone crazy over CNC but I'm still sitting in a pond :)
As a former FS team member myself, this is amazing! Amazing job as always, but this hits different, such teams really rely on awesome people like you, Craig and Colton! Good luck to Formula Kentucky!
Absolutely incredible! I mean, I know people made parts like like before CNC but still. What a great video. I certainly wouldnt be confident making this part without my Okuma M560
Very fun video! Where CNC shows its true potential, is when you have not one part, but multiple. The added setup time is made up for in the cycle times.
True machinist right here. First video I've watched of yours and I've already gained some knowledge (it seems that way anyways) . Making jokes the whole time and at the same time, keeping on track with the task given without veering off topic. Well done, keep it movin'!
I have a cnc router and a manual mill. A lot of jobs go straight to the mill for speed. Plus there is something satisfying about turning the handles and making the part yourself.
That's an incredible effort Brandon to produce such a complex part manually. Your past efforts with building customized tooling and fixtures really paid off. You're a true genius in the machine shop and always great to watch.
I'm very happy you mentioned the difference in making a second part at the end. Repeatability is the beauty of CNC! Still, amazing you were able to tie with even just the first part.
I'm impressed that you could manually machine that part at all when it was clearly designed with CNC in mind. The two different rotary tables really paid off.
As a CMMM machine machine programmer/operator, I'd just like to say that I'd be happy to inspect your parts. The amount of care and precision that you put into your work is outstanding.
I've run both manual and CNC as a hobbyist. Man, I have to say, for a guy who doesn't do it for a living you really knocked it out of the park on that one. CNC has it's own challenges but keeping track of all your start, stop, rotate, etc, not grabbing the wrong wheel/turning it the wrong way at the wrong time, etc. Just one misstep and you'd have scrapped the part. Outstanding work.
As a member of the formula student team in Linköping Sweden this is really cool to see! What you people and companies do to support us is nothing short of amazing! Loved the video as usual, especially the mountain of chips at the end! ❤
I Love the nod to the future and sound reasoning why cnc and cad are dominant but...... hands on old school will always own my heart. Big respect for the help you give the formula Kentucky as well!
As a machinist I love the final comparison between manual vs cnc. 90% of the time prototyping will be more efficient on manual machines, the cnc’s really shine when you dial them in and your doing a run of 100+ parts. Programming and dialing in the tools take a significant amount of time also that many people don’t think about. This is not only quality machine work you’re showing with new & old technology but also quality tips that could benefit many shops. Thank you
I've had a Bridgeport series 1 CNC for the last 30 years, and I have never really used a manual mill, but I find all of your videos fascinating. It's not really about whether you are turning the crank or I program my computer to turn the cranks and even though my ball screws have much lower backlash than a manual mill, it's not ZERO. I find many of the ways you approach things to be relevant solutions on my own projects, and I defiantly admire your skill at operating those machines, turn a crank just a little too far and you will scrap your part. In particular with this video, I found drilling the ring of holes to rough out the large central bore to be a great solution!! One thing I have been trying to avoid is using only the bottom of my endmills to cut... because you end up with a bunch of endmills that are brand new at the top and completely dull on the bottom. So for thick material, always cut as close to max flute length as possible, but my smallest rougher is 1/2" and sometimes I want to save the drop so I don't want to use an endmill that large, and I don't want to use a small endmill because then I would have to take many shallow cuts... making the bottom of my endmill dull just to rough something out and save the drop, so now instead of wearing out my expensive solid carbide endmills, I wear out the bottom of a cheap drill, and drill a bunch of holes as you have done... it seems like it would take longer, but I don't think that it does, because I can drill quite a bit faster than I could mill multiple passes with a small endmill, but even if it took longer, I don't care, it's a MUCH less stressful operation than hogging full diameter, and it's keeping my endmills in much better condition. I also think pre-drilling the holes in the corners of the triangles is a great idea, going into corners like that is stressful on ANY machine. I also find your use of a rotary table to be intriguing, I often have difficulty getting tight tolerance round features to be accurate enough.. that pesky backlash is normally to blame.. It's only 0.0005" but that's enough to make an interpolated bore wrong enough that you can't get a bearing to be a correct press fit. I do have a boring head I can use, but dialing those in precisely can be tedious, but if I had a 4th rotary axis, then I can use the Mill's X axis to move a precise distance from the center and make perfectly ROUND bores. Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I find your channel VERY relevant, even though I have only CNC machines. I find the care you take to get things right and the precision, and quality of finish you always strive for to be quite inspirational. I also appreciate when things don't go right and you figure out what the problem is and find a solution, even if it's an involved side project, or even doesn't get fixed until another video. It's not always about doing things fast, there is a lot to be said for doing things well! Keep up the great work!
I'm looking forward to (what I assume is now tradition) the next formula kentucky part next year. Thinking back to the part you made for them last time, really made me appreciate how design and manufacture go hand in hand. Knowing they have these machining processes available to them (and an extremely generous Craig) really let's them push the boat out with their parts.
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Been over 20 years since I touched a manual mill, high school to be precise, no I have seen but never operated a CNC mill. Absolutely appreciate all the advancements in those 20 years though. I am a welder by trade now, and I can say this: to truly appreciate a trade you need to use the older equipment to remain humble and gain an understanding of how things work as well as gain a appreciation for the advancements, Something’s are better on the old school equipment, each have a place a spot to fill. The older generations have a bank full of knowledge to gain and learn from to keep the trades moving forward as well. Awesome video and thank you for sharing. 👍🏻
Great video! I really liked the head-to-head. I didn’t think you stood a chance. I was surprised the first part came out so close on duration. And I was just queuing up in the comments to ask the part weight before/after and you read my mind.
Good job Brandon. I have had a couple people ask me why I wasn’t doing some of my parts on the Haas VF2, I told them I would be done manual machining before I was done with my CAD & CAM for it. Now if I were making many of them, I’d spend the time doing the CAD/CAM.
Very impressive to see what can be done manually. I love to see all the different setups. It would have been very interesting to have both parts measured on a cmm and compare them. One thing i could imagine the manually machined part to be better is the roundness of the main bore because that was interpolated on the cnc.
There is so much insight given with this piece. Firstly, manual machining will never go away. For one offs, and low cost start up, you cannot beat old machines. That's not to say even startups can afford low cost or used 'pro' cnc machines, pitting them against another is certainly an enjoyment for both camps. Great for your school as well. Sadly SIU Carbondale probably would not benefit from any cnc since I do not think ppl are designing cardboard boats for a regatta of sinking boats. Again, FANTASTIC video.
I’ve been watching your channel for a while now here and there and had no idea you were in central ky. Glad to have so many talented machinists so close.
I used to watch 5-6 machining channels for years. It got old to me and I stopped them all cold turkey. But now because of you and CEE I’m back. Less is more when you find the channels that fit you right. Thanks for the content!
Mind blowing work!!! I can't even begin fathom how you mapped out those moves out on the mill with the rotary table?!?! I'd love to see how you set that all up in more detail!!
That was so much fun to watch. I'm absorbing so much amazing experience from your videos, I feel like I could become a machinist one day. It is also a good exercise in humility as I have to fight to keep my jealous side from hating you for how awesome your machine shop is. But, very grateful that I have such well made and entertaining educational material for free. Thank you.
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GREAT video unfortunate that you used the "boring" pun credits you had this year in the first quarter... hahahaha keep up the great videos
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We here at Formula Kentucky would like to thank Brandon and Machine Time for machining our uprights this year. They do amazing work and their generosity helps us more than they can imagine. Generous people in the community are what allows us to succeed and we couldn’t be more appreciative.
Best of luck! If you see MSOE on the field, give them my best as well.
Thank you for reaching out to these wonderful talented gentlemen. You helped make a really interesting video.
It was our pleasure! Let's get that car to Michigan!
I could immediately tell from the thumbnail that this was an FSAE upright haha. Nice to see something from my college days.
Good stuff
Everyone needs to pause at 6:25 to appreciate this Calendar. It's hard to pick a favorite between "Book Sniffing" and the recurring "Pretend To Be Napping". 😂
Chamfer the Pillows
Water the driveway is my favorite
How did the clown shoe fitting go?
Walking the Chickens at 7:15, way too early for me!
Counting to 437,692 is easily the most productive part of his calendar, someone has to do it and its clearly in good hands.
As a member of an FSAE Team from Germany myself I have to thank you so much for doing this. Without people like you our cars would be nothing but a 3D model and a dream. Really appreciate the work you do. Take care
Agree!
Nice, I‘m not the only one watching from Germany.. I wish my University would do something similar…
@@Simoxs7You are most definitely not the only viewer from Germany!
Agreed
@@Simoxs7Moin
I'm getting cold sweats remembering trying to mill an FSAE upright on an ancient Emco F1 CNC training mill using a Windows 95 version of MasterCAM and drip feeding it over RS232. We quickly gave up and cut them from foam for an investment casting, which also didn't work. I ended up welding them up from steel tubing.
Never underestimate fabrication. The first thing I learned about welding is how devilishly strong good ones are. The second thing was how bad ones can sometimes sneak up on yout.
If wes is watching brandon, who is making dry dad jokes in his shop?
I'm recovering from a stroke right now, and can't get out in my shop. Your videos are keeping me sane, and helping me imagine getting back to work. Thank you!
I read that you recovered from a stroke and was unable to get out from your shop. Had me seriously worried for a good thou of a second.
Stay positive and keep up with the physio once you can get to it. You can callous your mind ready to pick up where you were before. Get well soon from the United Kingdom :)
Its been almost 12 years since mine and the best things I can say is yes you will get pretty much everything back if you put in the sweat and as mrnobody stated keep up on the therapies (dont forget to take the rest periods). The one thing I never got back was my referencing. Its like knowing every single person in your township, their names, addresses, occupations, etc. but then losing the index book then having to go find that one guy who knows how to do that one particular job. Its all still knocking around up there and you can see the face and street address and such but for the life of me I cannot remember the guys name!
Sending you love and prayers from Canada 🇨🇦.
I think I speak for us all in saying we hope you get better soon!
It really blows my mind what complex geometry you are able to create with manual machines! We never did anything remotely complex in machineshop classes, really wish we did
oh i drool over the stuff they used to have to do before CNC. impeller blades and such 🤯
@@InheritanceMachining We went to the moon with manual machining after all
Break it down to simple shapes and figure out how to hold the part firmly and accurately to complete your next step. It will take some time for you to see how you would accomplish this kind of task but it can be done and you'll learn a lot along the way.
Next to the knee mill the bandsaw is an important tool. I remember making adaptor flanges for a transmission shop, drilling 0.750" holes through the 11" block and brazing a 0.625" blade through the hole. Then take the block and blade and install it into the bandsaw, 9 hours later you have your exterior hogged out shape ready to be sliced and finished in a jig mounted to a rotary table for your mounting surfaces.
@@SentinalhMC NASA developed NC machining during the Apollo program, didn't they? to make it easier to "etch a sketch" complex shapes?
@@SentinalhMC Yes, and no, there were some parts made here in Huntsville Alabama Rocket City USA with cnc, very early type, plotted in a mainframe, pushed out via 300 baud modem to a 3 1/2 axis G&L cobbled together from machining center 1 and 2 making it # 3 if it was ever given a number, I was only there later to upgrade the modem to 1200 baud, and that was a few years after we landed on the moon. The stories!
Paper tape was being used a lot there as well, the 4 bit and oooh, 8 bit chips in the controllers would overheat all too often and need replacing. I saw pink styrofoam boards with dozens of the same chips on it. The reps would bring new ones and take away the old ones every few days. That company was A.C. Containers Inc if memory serves me. They bought the G&L from some outfit which had been the originator of the early parts used in the paint with a pen system running on a mainframe at Marshall. I think the mainframe was donated to UAH via lend-keep or some such. They, AC, made it a true 4 axis machine from what I remember and used it in creating missile deployment and transport containers. I think they may have changed names and logos several time in the last 50 years but checking out a local directory I see they are still around and even bigger.
I think the real lesson here is the importance of networking and maintaining relationships. Great work on all counts.
Very true indeed
Struggling to grasp why you think that's the "real lesson" of this video? Not saying it's not important, but that's really not the key takeaway by a longshot. Did you watch the entire video?
@@JTMarlin8the beauty of these Videos is there is always more than one takeaway, could be keeping connections to other likeminded people, the "dont let not having a cnc hold you back" ot "get into your own shop and do something" its really no limits
A great video and a good looking result. This shows exactly why manual milling tends to be used for one-off parts, but CNC rapidly pays off as soon as you add repeats. Which is good because with the cost of CNC machines, tooling and software, you need to be running through a lot of production to start getting your money back.
Stunning level of manual machining.
thank you 🙏
Exactly. It wasn't even his main job before and he is better than some folks I know that have been doing this daily for 20 years.
Outstanding work
I am part of a Serbian FS team, and we JUST finished our upright, and this video drops, insane. Thanks for a great video!
Ha! What a small world!
Cal Poly Racing Baja SAE member here. I had no idea it was even possible to do parts like that on manual. I especially appreciated the explanation of climb vs conventional milling. Great video!
99% of the time I have no idea what you are talking about as I have never touched a lathe but I love watching your videos. Your sense of humour and your attention to detail are brilliant.
Get started with this old tony's videos and also blondiehacks metal lathe tutorials, even if you don't use a lathe, they are great videos
@@towzt I watch Blondiehacks every Saturday
Give it time. You'll have a lathe before it's all said and done 😂 especially if you're watching Quinn and others too. thanks!
@@InheritanceMachining i have a lathe but no time, any advice on that?
Very cool concept of your video today yes CNC machines can make parts in no time but there is the setup time to consider and if someone needs more than one or two of something it is better to go with the CNC machines but if it a one off item then the older Manuel machines is a better idea
I can't imagine the level of concentration you have to maintain over 23 machining hours, knowing that the slightest error could junk this part.
You have my highest appreciation of the machinists art!
I'm a cnc mill guy and I love watching the manual machining channels. I learn alot of different ways to process parts. I recently found your channel. I am definitely a fan.
Thank you for your time that you donated to that cause. As a machinist of 34 years, I must say I truly enjoy watching your content and honestly have picked up a few good ideas. The saying never to old or proud to learn. If you think you are then it's time to give it up. Thanks for all you do my friend. Prayers and thoughts.
Member of BYU FSAE here! This is our first year back in the competition since a win in 2012, and fully electric this year! CNC uprights are our last part needed for suspension
Are the electric cars pretty fast?
That is quite the absence! I imagine they are even more complicated with the EV. Good luck to you guys and welcome back!
@@MadMathMike if the uprights can take the torque then yes!
I too, participated in FSAE, albeit the hybrid version. I can remember knocking those parts out, working to optimize each component of the vehicle, one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had! Thanks for sharing this with us!
Dude, your videos are such a perfect mix of informative, tutorial, satisfaction, comedy, and humility. Love your stuff, thank you for making it!
My pleasure! Thanks so much!
It would have been cool to include the measuring of both parts and checking them against the given tolerances.
Just gonna lay this here and see if it gets picked up. For the rotary table and maybe even the corner rounder...
Rotary DRO.
Good stuff, nice to see something that looks like it was CNC'd come off the manual machines. Crazy nice
You made me stop the video and look. There is a company with “High performance linear metal tape, glass gratings, and rotary glass scales”. Assume the rotary glass scale is what you would be looking for to do this
Could work, but you could also use a rotary encoder depending on the creator's design and electrical and electronics skill. @@richtes
I was thinking about this the whole time! I actually installed a rotary encoder on my rotary table (I've got a video series on it, if you're curious about how I did it). I can't help but wonder if it would've saved time.
I'm 90% sure that your video series was the one I saw and was referencing, it's a small world sometimes lol. You did a great job with it and I'm saving your videos to use as a reference for later. I hope it's still working well for you. @@fna-wrightengineering @richtes this is the guy that posted some great videos on the subject if you want to learn more about rotary encoders. They're also used commonly with servo motors for exact positioning.
I'm a few months behind, but my job is as a programmer for NC mills including 4 and 5 axis. I go my start though, back in high school with ROP Machinist Trainee classes, so I still love the manual machines. Nobody worth his salt that I've met running a CNC mill would call themselves a true machinist, unless they've had full experience with manual machines. I really appreciate your work with the manuals to remind us of where everything started.
I immediately recognized the finished part in the thumbnail, as I was the one for two years to design this exact piece for my team's racecars! All of those are only driving around, because many generous sponsors manufactured A LOT. Greetings from Germany!
20:37 ... Good one!!! .. Excellent work around!!! ... So much room for activities!!
26:18 I like the sticker "DO NOT" :D
I'm just a bodger with a mill and a lathe, but I love seeing what can be done by people who know what they're about. A CNC mill seems to be the ultimate machine tool, but as you've shown, for making one or two parts, the older machines are just as good. And, for hobby-machinists like me, one part is usually all that is wanted. Keep up the good work.
"Spreadshirt", "Adhesive Portal", "Yoga with Zebras", "Water the Driveway", "Clown Shoe Fitting" LMAO
But somehow the funniest of all of these is "Chamfer the Pillow"
MUST. CHAMFER. EVERYTHING!!!!
30 Years in the Tool & Die Industry. Squared my share of Blocks. Never had a Power feed, Always had to Turn the Handles. Really glad when Carbide Inserts came along. Thrn the Handles as fast as you can, Hold card board around the Bridge port Spindle as the Chips came off Dark Blue, Hot, like Machine gun bullets.
I'm a CNC machinist / programmer who learned as is still learning on the job (no previous experience at all). I've learned a lot from your manual machining and have a ton of respect for the precision and forethought you put into your work. Thank you for this.
2 days on CAM programming is outrageous tho. That's 1 hour job tops. Same for 6h of proofing but I'm more forgiving about everything else. How are they making any profit? In total that's maybe 4-5 hour job tops, if you watch tv shows while working.
@@kasparsjansons9220 Was thinking the same. Its a great video and all but 3hours machine time cant be right. That part is made out of aluminium max 30 minutes machine time and i am generous here
@kasparsjansons9220 if we assume that they only recently received a new machine, and people are not yet accustomed to its capabilities and limitations - it really could take a couple of days. But yes, after a month of hard work, you usually already do such things automatically, and you get quality that is an order of magnitude better than on a manual machine)
I would like to see a comparison on scanning equipment of both parts to see real deviations from the drawing.
I am a SAE Baja alumni (they cut our formula team the year I started in engineering school) and this brings back some great memories. Thank you for all you do!
Oh bummer. Glad they kept the Baja though Thanks!
14:00 I've also found that sometime climb milling will give a better finish because of the direction the chips will take out of the cutter, however, I only take very small cuts due to my inexperience, and the small power of my very small machine. =D conventional milling can put the chips back under the cutter and cause vibrations and other problem with having to re-clear / recut the chips... granted you also have flood coolant helping clear the chips as well. And the CNC probably has coolant running out of the cutter, so yeah... Happy Friday!
I was always told it was because there was a positive engagement on the cutting edge, as opposed to conventional milling contacting on a rounded surface. Still, it only matters if the machine can handle it, so I get why some people dismiss it out of hand.
exactly! I didn't mention it but something that I've found helps is snugging up the table locks a little bit (assuming the push on the gibs) adds a little resistance to the situation preventing the climbing!
When I first started practicing machining on a table top Jet 15 bed mill, I learned the concept of climb milling. Especially when the machine has definitely seen better days. I had one bad experience with a carbide endmill that my dad gave me to use since he had an endless supply. I was cutting a plasma cut edge and no less climb cutting it, unbeknownst to me that was a bad idea until it detonated at the tips.
I have been a machinist for about 10 years now and you taught me some new on manual milling appreciate you’re content sir
I've been in the trade since the summer of 2018, 99% manual machining. I just got a job offer for a globally competing CNC shop which are training me to learn CNC, starting next month! Next huge step in my career and passion. I love the work you do with the beautifully engineered parts/videos you make, crammed with knowledge. Especially showcasing the capabilities between manual and CNC machining in this video. Much respect for everyone in the industry with a drive for education. Much thanks from Canada
No Offense to anyone who started out directly with CNC but this is in my(biased) view one of the best ways to learn, on any CNC Machine you don't get as good as a feeling of what noise and chip requires what forces, whilst at the manual machine you can feel all that quite good. Especially 5 Axis machines do math the Machinist usually does not fully understand, let alone could calculate themselves in a feasible time frame. With Manual machining you need smarter ways than using a high power Computer to solve it for you.
Running CNC Machines totally makes a lot of sense in 95% of the cases, but knowing the old school stuff is something that should not be easily abandoned.
@@idontknow31212 Im a student machinist right now, and for the entire first year we only did manual machining! really helped out imo
We've still got guys at work that roll like this. Give them the right kinda work and they kill it.
What you said at the end of the video is correct. And now you can understand, why there a manual machines in prototyping a common thing till today. You will always need manual machines. And the better you know them, the better will be the outcome.
As always a really good video. 👍
I didn't think it'd be so close to equal amounts of time because my ape brain always assumed "machine > man".
Im 70 yrs old, when i was in school, we had ONE machine (a lathe) that ran on a punchcard system...sort of like time cards with rectangular punched holes. We never used it, and All my machining was Manual. THAT is why I watch you and and others (and NOT CNC channels) I couldnt use CAD or CNC if my life depended on it. We're going to have a whole generation dependent on automatic machines with no idea how to use a Bridgeport or South Bend.......kind of like how youngsters can't tenn time on an analogue clock or drive a car with a clutch and 5 speed.
Keep the Manusl Machining and superb drafting comming, and us old guys will envy your wonderful shop and tools....and wish we had a set up like you have.
I gotta say.... The "bounce" as you are 'holding your parts' absolutely killed me. :D
those bits are heavy!
@@InheritanceMachining Hey, they will be reduced in weight soon enough. At least they ain't brass?
Thank you for pressing the button for metric on the scales at the end!
What a wonderful treat to wake up to! Awesome video concept, great execution as always.
😁 Thanks!
I love seeing projects made in previous videos popping up in newer ones, such as the precision machinist jack at 17:45. It's like this chanel's version of product placement or cameos.
You are definitely the most entertaining stepper motor on 2 legs i know😅...great video and great learnings
This was a good one!
I started an apprenticeship as a CNC op about a year ago, pretty much thanks to you!
Fun to see that you can still compete on the one-off parts!Cant wait to build up a garage workshop :)
As someone who regularly holds un-ground drill bits in a collet, I'm offended you made me feel like I've been cutting corners all my life lol 😆
no no haha it was a .272 drill so too big for the 1/4 collet and too small to get the 3/16 to bite. I would have skipped the grinding too!
Only ever working with CNC and CAM software and .. well basically modern machines/computers, it's fascinating to see how it would be done on manual machines. I feel that it requires so much more thought and planning and skill. Thank you for this content. Love it.
Super cool as usual! I learned a lot from your channel! Cheers!
Thanks a lot, man!
@@InheritanceMachining No, thank you! I know how much work these videos are to produce
This was awesome to see your creativity on using old simple tools to race a CNC machine. Good work! Love the channel so far. I've been a machinist for a living going of 14yrs or so, but just got my first manual mill recently and am trying to figure out how to wisely invest in tooling for it. I already had rotary table and boring head high on my list, but watching the versatility, really validated that plan.
13:00 I have a complete manual machine with absolutely no dials (broke years ago), no DRO, and no power feeds. . . so this method is extremely wrist/elbow friendly. I love letting the tool and part do the heavy lifting *sic*. Just remember to factor that backlash in and imagine it like a handsy date trying to rush things and everything is manageable!
Amazing seeing the finished part appear from a billet of raw ally. I went the electronics direction after school rather than engineering, but I appreciate the skill, patience and time put into machining. It's beautiful.
This is some discovery channnel level drama. Really felt like i was watching my favourit shows from decades ago. love your stuff sooo much!
FASE! If it was a discovery channel drama it would have a whole lot of unnecessary drama and tension edited into lol.
@@MorRobots Yeah, it had a lot of drama edited into it and it was fun, are you sarcastic?
As a civil engineer, I get a lot of pleasure in your problem solving. Having the ability to break things down to first principles (and I am reluctant to say) you are geared for engineering. Well done Logistics is always the root cause or the compounding factor to solve any issue.
Don't forget what happened to John Henry! :P
Came here to call this the modern day version of John Henry.
Yea, but John Henry was a Steel driving man!
Top-notch video, Brandon. I think you made really good time with your manual machines, and the results are spectacular!
CAM toolpath 12 hours ? No way. It's a relatively simple part even on a 3 axis machine. Craig needs to step up it's CAM game :) "Carefully verifying each toolpath for 6 hours" means just to set up stock and run a simulation. 30 min tops.
😂 to be fair to Craig, he's not a full time programmer. He runs Machine Time. He admitted to me his full time machinists could probably program in 3 hours or less.
you must be crazy to think u can program that part in 30 mins, even experienced machinists would most likely take 4 hrs plus lol
@@Michael-CrossRead my comment again. "Carefully verifying each toolpath for 6 hours"
@@Michael-Cross If they need 4hrs plus its clear that they are not as experienced as you think. I think 2-3hrs is max for this part to program.
A well experienced programmer-machinist will have a process plan and start the programming. After they have the first op or at least a decent amount of run time programmed they'll set up the CNC machine and start cutting chips. Then go back to the programming and program and machine concurrently. In bigger places with separate programmers who almost never machine most programs are done completely offline. No offense but that's not more than an hour programming time. You just aren't that experienced to know how and what can be done by very skilled CNC programmers. All of a manual machinist's time is at the task at hand. Also cad/cam systems verification modules suffice for most programs and certainly this part. So there's no need to actually tiptoe through the first part. Then run a "good" part. The first part should have been a good part unless the program was incorrect. The main takeaway is that for relatively simple parts or where the openness that a knee mill gives, CNC is more efficient. Also remember you are looking at a high skilled true machinist vs. a skilled but unfamiliar CNC setup person. Very good video which shows what it takes to manually machine a cad designed part.
Shop improval idea: install some covers for your electrical sockets. I think 27:23 shows very well, that metal chips will fly right into them someday. Even if they might not cause a short they can still jam the receptacles.
Good job, im actually impressed you two foto finished (trying not to spoil too much here). Now as you said, for 1 or two parts manual might be fine, but on a complex part like this cnc is usually always faster. Especially if you leave away the first stage of him making a prototype part, wed never do that even for 100+ series of parts. Plus switching milling machine and tools basically negated almost every benefit he had from making a prototype part. Even making the other parts is just mirroring the toolpaths and a few adjustments here and there. If you have a proper model of your machine then you can just verify within the cam software that you got no collisions and start of right away :)
Thanks! Craig mentioned the Mori's have a digital twin of the machine they can use to verify the program won't crash something.
*photo finish
@@watsgoinonhere1 cant say that in past tense.
Like a 3d model of the actual real machine right? Or Just for the work area?@@InheritanceMachining
Not to mention the improved finish and tolerances of CNC.
A CNC mill that's measuring for tool wear, probing bores, and chasing .00005" just can't be competed with by a manual mill.
As a guy who use cad/cam and cnc machine, I'm really impressed that you made that parts manually. 👏 👏👏.
Those are some inherited skills😊😊
Necking down that ball mill - sneaky sneaky!
Regarding manual machining - CAD makes you lazy in a way that adding complex features are very easy, and machining them is very hard.
Where cnc really shines - banging out part after part after part.
̶C̶A̶D̶ ̶ CAM simply removes the limitations imposed by outdated technologies. It's the same as saying "planes make you lazy, instead of walking 1000 miles, you just read the newspaper in your chair for a couple of hours."
@@deadcxap755 what did that supposed to mean?
You still need to design parts that are manufacturable.
I spent 5 years running a manual mill and the last two years running a 3 axis CNC mill. You are spot on in your comparison of the two. I’m basically making the same parts on the CNC that I did on the manual only faster. However, there are times when I need to use the manual just to save some time in setup.
Seriously, no chamfering? 😢
Seriously, No bitches you have
The calendar is absolutely killing me. Love it.
😆
My brother was in FSAE at The University of Toledo and I ended up getting interested in the machining he was doing there and later after he graduated. I built a bench top CNC that lives in my basement with a small South Bend lathe. Love what you're doing!
Nice job - and very interested to see the manual versus CNC comparison. Hats off to you for supporting the FSAE folk.
I lived next to a pond while growing up and thought it was a "huge" body of water. Then I realized how small that pond was when I saw the ocean for the first time. I just had that same experience watching your video today!!! I've gone crazy over CNC but I'm still sitting in a pond :)
As a former FS team member myself, this is amazing!
Amazing job as always, but this hits different, such teams really rely on awesome people like you, Craig and Colton! Good luck to Formula Kentucky!
They absolutely do. All teams need all the support they can get! Thanks
Absolutely incredible! I mean, I know people made parts like like before CNC but still. What a great video. I certainly wouldnt be confident making this part without my Okuma M560
Sir Craig is a like an ideal boss to have as an employee.. he seems a good person.. wish i could be a part of his beautiful company.
Very fun video! Where CNC shows its true potential, is when you have not one part, but multiple. The added setup time is made up for in the cycle times.
Parts like that seem difficult on manual machines, but it is the type of thing tool and die machinests have been doing for over a hundred years.
True machinist right here. First video I've watched of yours and I've already gained some knowledge (it seems that way anyways) . Making jokes the whole time and at the same time, keeping on track with the task given without veering off topic. Well done, keep it movin'!
I have a cnc router and a manual mill. A lot of jobs go straight to the mill for speed. Plus there is something satisfying about turning the handles and making the part yourself.
Fantastic build - not surprised by the outcome. Your summation is exactly right.
That's an incredible effort Brandon to produce such a complex part manually. Your past efforts with building customized tooling and fixtures really paid off. You're a true genius in the machine shop and always great to watch.
Thanks so much, Dave!
I'm very happy you mentioned the difference in making a second part at the end. Repeatability is the beauty of CNC! Still, amazing you were able to tie with even just the first part.
I'm impressed that you could manually machine that part at all when it was clearly designed with CNC in mind. The two different rotary tables really paid off.
As a CMMM machine machine programmer/operator, I'd just like to say that I'd be happy to inspect your parts. The amount of care and precision that you put into your work is outstanding.
Thanks! Craig's shop actually has CMM as well. we intended to compare out parts but just ran out of time in the end.
I've run both manual and CNC as a hobbyist. Man, I have to say, for a guy who doesn't do it for a living you really knocked it out of the park on that one. CNC has it's own challenges but keeping track of all your start, stop, rotate, etc, not grabbing the wrong wheel/turning it the wrong way at the wrong time, etc. Just one misstep and you'd have scrapped the part. Outstanding work.
this was one of the most amazing machining videos I've seen in a hot minute. the culmination of past projects, wow chefs kiss
I love the fact that at 27:00 there's a DO NOT tape over the power off button on the HAAS, we do the same on some of ours
As a member of the formula student team in Linköping Sweden this is really cool to see! What you people and companies do to support us is nothing short of amazing!
Loved the video as usual, especially the mountain of chips at the end! ❤
I Love the nod to the future and sound reasoning why cnc and cad are dominant but...... hands on old school will always own my heart. Big respect for the help you give the formula Kentucky as well!
As a machinist I love the final comparison between manual vs cnc.
90% of the time prototyping will be more efficient on manual machines,
the cnc’s really shine when you dial them in and your doing a run of 100+ parts.
Programming and dialing in the tools take a significant amount of time also that many people don’t think about.
This is not only quality machine work you’re showing with new & old technology but also quality tips that could benefit many shops.
Thank you
Gorgeous video
I've had a Bridgeport series 1 CNC for the last 30 years, and I have never really used a manual mill, but I find all of your videos fascinating. It's not really about whether you are turning the crank or I program my computer to turn the cranks and even though my ball screws have much lower backlash than a manual mill, it's not ZERO. I find many of the ways you approach things to be relevant solutions on my own projects, and I defiantly admire your skill at operating those machines, turn a crank just a little too far and you will scrap your part.
In particular with this video, I found drilling the ring of holes to rough out the large central bore to be a great solution!! One thing I have been trying to avoid is using only the bottom of my endmills to cut... because you end up with a bunch of endmills that are brand new at the top and completely dull on the bottom. So for thick material, always cut as close to max flute length as possible, but my smallest rougher is 1/2" and sometimes I want to save the drop so I don't want to use an endmill that large, and I don't want to use a small endmill because then I would have to take many shallow cuts... making the bottom of my endmill dull just to rough something out and save the drop, so now instead of wearing out my expensive solid carbide endmills, I wear out the bottom of a cheap drill, and drill a bunch of holes as you have done... it seems like it would take longer, but I don't think that it does, because I can drill quite a bit faster than I could mill multiple passes with a small endmill, but even if it took longer, I don't care, it's a MUCH less stressful operation than hogging full diameter, and it's keeping my endmills in much better condition. I also think pre-drilling the holes in the corners of the triangles is a great idea, going into corners like that is stressful on ANY machine.
I also find your use of a rotary table to be intriguing, I often have difficulty getting tight tolerance round features to be accurate enough.. that pesky backlash is normally to blame.. It's only 0.0005" but that's enough to make an interpolated bore wrong enough that you can't get a bearing to be a correct press fit. I do have a boring head I can use, but dialing those in precisely can be tedious, but if I had a 4th rotary axis, then I can use the Mill's X axis to move a precise distance from the center and make perfectly ROUND bores.
Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I find your channel VERY relevant, even though I have only CNC machines. I find the care you take to get things right and the precision, and quality of finish you always strive for to be quite inspirational. I also appreciate when things don't go right and you figure out what the problem is and find a solution, even if it's an involved side project, or even doesn't get fixed until another video. It's not always about doing things fast, there is a lot to be said for doing things well! Keep up the great work!
My old 1960's BEAVER MILL was made as a climb mill. It has very heavy bed and massive lead screws and backlash nuts.
The return of the rotary table! It's so satisfying watching 4-axis machining done manually like this
I'm looking forward to (what I assume is now tradition) the next formula kentucky part next year. Thinking back to the part you made for them last time, really made me appreciate how design and manufacture go hand in hand. Knowing they have these machining processes available to them (and an extremely generous Craig) really let's them push the boat out with their parts.
Holy moly what a race... Thanks for let me know that people like you exist in the world. Absloutely amazing to watch
It's so great to see people helping out STEM programs! If you haven't already, and are looking for more STEM programs to support, look out for FIRST FRC teams in your area. FRC is designed to help high schoolers learn about robotics, outreach, and tons of other skills.
Been over 20 years since I touched a manual mill, high school to be precise, no I have seen but never operated a CNC mill. Absolutely appreciate all the advancements in those 20 years though. I am a welder by trade now, and I can say this: to truly appreciate a trade you need to use the older equipment to remain humble and gain an understanding of how things work as well as gain a appreciation for the advancements, Something’s are better on the old school equipment, each have a place a spot to fill. The older generations have a bank full of knowledge to gain and learn from to keep the trades moving forward as well. Awesome video and thank you for sharing. 👍🏻
CNC mill has been a thing for 30 years already. It's been a thing for big companies since the end of 70s.
I thought this was going to be a race for precision. Nice seeing that one-off parts can be done manually without much time wasted.
Great video! I really liked the head-to-head. I didn’t think you stood a chance. I was surprised the first part came out so close on duration. And I was just queuing up in the comments to ask the part weight before/after and you read my mind.
As a millwright/ Machinist myself, I wanna say, good job man! I'm learning CNC at home. Keep up the good videos. I'm sure ill learn something
Good job Brandon. I have had a couple people ask me why I wasn’t doing some of my parts on the Haas VF2, I told them I would be done manual machining before I was done with my CAD & CAM for it. Now if I were making many of them, I’d spend the time doing the CAD/CAM.
Thanks! And that's exactly right. But don't forget the manual way is also more fun 😉
Very impressive to see what can be done manually. I love to see all the different setups.
It would have been very interesting to have both parts measured on a cmm and compare them. One thing i could imagine the manually machined part to be better is the roundness of the main bore because that was interpolated on the cnc.
There is so much insight given with this piece. Firstly, manual machining will never go away. For one offs, and low cost start up, you cannot beat old machines. That's not to say even startups can afford low cost or used 'pro' cnc machines, pitting them against another is certainly an enjoyment for both camps. Great for your school as well. Sadly SIU Carbondale probably would not benefit from any cnc since I do not think ppl are designing cardboard boats for a regatta of sinking boats. Again, FANTASTIC video.
I’ve been watching your channel for a while now here and there and had no idea you were in central ky. Glad to have so many talented machinists so close.
I used to watch 5-6 machining channels for years. It got old to me and I stopped them all cold turkey. But now because of you and CEE I’m back. Less is more when you find the channels that fit you right. Thanks for the content!
My pleasure! Thank you
Mind blowing work!!! I can't even begin fathom how you mapped out those moves out on the mill with the rotary table?!?! I'd love to see how you set that all up in more detail!!
Thanks! The CAD was a huge help with this. Basically just rotating each of the drawings and getting the new coordinates 😁
That was so much fun to watch. I'm absorbing so much amazing experience from your videos, I feel like I could become a machinist one day. It is also a good exercise in humility as I have to fight to keep my jealous side from hating you for how awesome your machine shop is. But, very grateful that I have such well made and entertaining educational material for free. Thank you.