@@megagangster321 considering we saw flashlights, it's implied that the search party that the others suggested to go into the mines found him. He's just insolation as dr hill said, mentally torturing himself.
I'm so happy they added this cause man Josh deserved better than either of his fates in the original. I just hope that if there IS a sequel like that other new cutscene feels like is hinting towards, that the 'Save Josh' ending is the canonical ending they go with going through into that game. Hope he's getting the help he needs
if he got saved its not logical to survive after everyone not with him anymore for years without any food supply then other wendigos or some dead meat he found, hooooo so spooky horrors
I almost saved all of them during my first play through but I missed a prompt at the part with Chris and that stranger where he had to shoot the Wendigo once more before making it to the lodge safely. I clicked the button but the game lagged so he got killed, other than that everyone was saved
Actually you can lol, this is indeed a secret final since the original one, but it’s totally not a “new final” as the creator is trying to sell in this video 😂
Both her and Josh are going to need all the therapy they can possibly get. Jess is not only traumatised but now has ptsd and Josh is loosing his sanity from not taking his meds to help him cope with the loss of his sisters.
I like they made josh more sympathetic in the remake. after he gets caught in the og he just goes full "I'm a crazy person" ... I really hope that extra" years later" is a tease for an until dawn 2. which should totally be called "until dusk" and be about sam/Josh with new characters doing a "horror movie during the day" thing like midsommar.
Listen I know Mike was an asshole for what he did to Hannah. BUT! He is an absolute Unit when it came to staying alive and killing those wendigos. Man chopped off his own fingers, got caught in an explosion, killed like 8 of those monsters and did it all in a single night.
Mike además de burlarse de Hannah luego dejó a Emily por su mejor amiga Jessie, y a Jessie igual al engañaba con Emma. Hay un punto que pensé que todas estaban locas por estar obsesionadas así por semejante imbecil... Luego vi todo lo que hizo en el juego para rescatar a Jessie y salvar al grupo y lo entendí todo, todas esas chicas tenían razón en ir por Mike 😅
I guess it’s fair to say that this game will be getting the sequel which most of us have been asking for years and I think the story will be about Sam returning to the mountains so that she may end the wendigos permanently and I think Josh will be there to help her
Given how the ending was previously in the first game it was where Josh became a wendigo, specifically the Makkapitew, and was the last wendigo still alive
@@masterskygamer306 but things could change now this new ending might be the canon one now so perhaps he will return to help Sam and receive his ultimate redemption
@alihadadi81 Yes, I get that, but like I said, there originally there be any more wendigos but Josh and now with this new ending there shouldn't be any left
It always irked me that Josh got left behind and died in the original when all of his asshole friends, save for Sam, did that prank that left resulted in the sisters dying.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle, The difference between Josh and Mike's prank is that Mike and company were all sane. They all knew they were toying with Hannah's emotions. Even if the sisters didn't die, I wouldn't be friends with people like that.
@@TheMurrmursonbottlejosh also never intended for any of them to actually get hurt, he went off the deep end when he learned why BOTH of sisters had died. Wendigo aside, They got off lucky honestly.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle a prank from a mentally ill person or a prank from a *group* of mentally sane persons…. Ahh yes lets blame the mentally ill person anyways.
I was telling my sister about how she looks in the credits. Totally haunted. She was out the whole night, and had no idea what was going on or what happened until the very end. Imo it kind of mimics how you as the player feel about her during the, what, 5 real time hours that you don’t see her for? Would periodically just think “where’s Jess? What’s up with Jess? Is Jess okay?” The question of her well being haunts the night.
Have you seen Mr Robot? It's a show in which he is the protagonist. I didn't know this game, I first saw Rami Malek in this show. And he has automatically become my favourite actor ever and the show is one of my favourite shows ever. Highly recommend. It's a shame it's not famous as it should, because it's literally masterpiece.
@ i have! he's one of my favourite actors too, i think he flies under the radar despite an incredible discography. he was also in a sitcom called 'the war at home' that i really loved when i was like 15 or 16 :)
@ discography? I didn't know he made music? Or did you mean filmography? Btw I love him so much as an actor, I first saw him in Mr Robot, and I've been following him since. His performance in Mr Robot is spectacular. He should've won many awards just for that. Heck, Mr Robot itself, as a series, should've won many awards too. It's true that Rami flies under the radar, and I think it's because he isn't the conventional "Hollywood beauty" (even tho I personally think he's super handsome, and I like him much more than most Hollywood actors)... Another reason might be because he doesn't act in big shows or movies, so the general public doesn't see him much. I don't know the sitcom you're talking about, did he do it before "Until Dawn" ? In my country it's even harder to see certain movies or shows on the TV, because only the most famous stuff gets dubbed and put on TV or cinemas. For example, I have watched Mr Robot in English, from start to finish, on a streaming site. Luckily, I learned English when I was 16-17 , so it's been around 15 years that I speak English, and I understand it pretty well, even tho it's my 4th language. Knowing English gives me the opportunity to watch many things that you can't normally find on the TV here. And I'm glad, because I would've never discovered the amazing actor that Rami Małek is. One of these days I'm gonna re-watch Mr Robot, I watch it every year 😅 do you also cry like crazy during the last scene of the last episode, when he wakes up and you realize that the Elliot we've known for all the seasons is gone? Edit: sorry for the super long comment, I just realized that it's super long, I got carried away too much 😭
@@CXLVIII Seriously, Claky's right, Mr. Robot is INCREDIBLE! One of the few productions, alongside Last of Us, that could approach the masterpiece that is DARK. In fact, DARK and Mr. Robot have similar themes explored in different directions.
everyone keep writing about how happy they're that now we can save josh, but this scene doesn't really look like a saving scene to me. he stayed there alone. god knows what happened to him there. he's more mentally unstable than ever, there are still vendigos out there. and the latter scene with sam seems more like just her hallucinations & the trauma result. it still seems to me that we didn't save josh at all. seems more like it was just a scene in between his timing before he turned into wendigo, like it was in the original game
@@TotalyNotTony everyone thought he died there. why would rescuers go & search for him in the cave? if it really is a saving josh scene, then this is a plot hole. realy poor plot hole :(
@@innundirskinni In the first shot with the closed door it's very clearly a flashlight. Also in the ending where Josh becomes a Wendigo, there were people searching the mines because of what Sam said. There's no reason for that to change in the new ending so unless they missed the closed door near the stranger's severed head I think Josh got out
@@TotalyNotTony i forgot about that detail in the original. well, you've got some point, i guess. but it's weird that 'some years later' sam hears his voice like for the first time since the accident...
@@innundirskinniI mean when Josh was taken he was with Mike and I feel like to leave out the fact that he was taken and not killed would be more then enough of a reason for the police to search the area either for a body or to rescue him.
ME TOO- The screams in the og is what made me obsessed with wendigos- it was one of the only games to actually scare me now it's just "well thats cool"
Personally I like the the wendigo Josh ending because it’s just fits to so well with his character thematically but I love that they added a new ending in the remake for him as before there weren’t really many choices for him
part of it i think is that it was more ilkely they'd have fuond hmi before he began starving enough to eat human flesh. the spirits cannot possess unless the host has committed cannibalism, however justififed.
@@taddad2641 either that or he finds his way out of the mines and back to civilization. If you get this ending, then the wendigos are all dead pretty much, so he wouldn't get stopped by Hannah
@@yeontansrainism2449 I think its when hannah remembers him she gives him the Hunter guy to eat. you can see his body dangling before they show josh again
I'm happy Josh can now be saved. Although there was a poetic tragedy to his ending, I always felt so bad for his character and the fact he couldn't ever find redemption or survive without basically a nightmarish outcome. But also that Sam ending. WHAT?! Sam was my favourite. I need to know what's going on! It doesn't link concretely to any of the game lore, that I can think of. I can only hope it's the hint we'll get a sequel and Sam will be in it! I would love that! Especially as Hayden Panettiere has had a pretty rough time and hasn't been in much for a while... It also does make sense that Sam's pretty traumatised by what happened. But if a character as level-headed as her isn't coping, even with Josh surviving, then I can't imagine the other characters doing so well. I guess it could be argued that Sam would've avoided seeking real help and instead coped (unhealthily) by obsessing over what happened.
@@TheSweety200 "Happy"? She was almost killed multiple times by some creepy and bloodthirsty, repulsive creatures that literally screamed in her face multiple times while she was inches from being ripped apart by them over and over again. She has PTSD. I don't know if she'll ever be happy. The girl is traumatized and understandably so.
@@Darkwatch2002yeah he never even hurts anyone either he used either a needle full of some drug to knock you out or a mask full of knock out gas the only exception is Ashley but that only happens if you stab him in the shoulder with the scissors. He never outright hurts them cause ultimately he still considers them his friends but he's a hurt mentally unstable wreck who wants them to feel what Hannah felt. The fear, humiliation, hurt that's all he wanted. Now as for Sam and Chris that's a trickier situation as it's difficult to say wether he blames them for Hannah and Beth's disappearance but considering he doesn't really do anything to Sam it's safe to assume he doesn't or at the very least is being more tame with hers because of his crush on her but I feel like it's more he doesn't blame her but also did a mild more harmless prank on her so shes still involved in the humiliation but it's not so obvious that she's being spared and as for Chris despite being his best friend he gets the most of it thrown at him now this is a little more obvious as to why and it's in joshes own words he views Chris as a bit of a pussy/coward since he always flops at telling Ashley how he feels so Josh In his own twisted way is helping him by putting him and ashley in the position of a life or death scenario to get him to confess which he'd know how to do best since his dad is a film director
@@springtrap1796 Just imagine how would you do in his shoes? His sisters died because of a joke made by his best friends, his family is gone totally. He is alone, broken and devastated and he has every right to go mad obviously he didnt kill anyone but he just made prank went too far beyond his friends.
If there's gonna be a sequel, they'd better do it right. I've always wanted one (and I'm so excited about this new ending for Josh!!!) but the game was amazing as it was, the story felt quite finished. It'll be hard for a sequel to live up to it. I really hope we get one, but only if it's done right.
I love the game but I don’t think a sequel would ever happen. Imo It doesn’t make sense (story wise) and I think people would complain either way. But you never know
It's been leaked that Firesprite Games (a subsidiary of Sony) was developing a "single-player narrative horror game with a female lead" from job listings, so it COULD be that.
@@TheMoment127 I don't know how they could make a sequel, the original story was whether or not we could save these characters, if we have the exact same characters (or several old and new ones) it might be a bit too repetitive to save them a second time
@@lowkie78 exactly but maybe after all that happened at the end of the game. Some stupid teens probably wanted to check it out for themselves or Hannah’s spirit gets to someone. That’s all I could think of really
Josh looks so handsome and pretty in the thumbnail i'm like straight but i'm just saying he looks...cool He really just returned to this role to mog on everyone lol
I'm so glad this ending exists. Josh really did NOT deserve the fate he got when you come to the realisation that he is *genuinely* mentally ill and all the "help" he got from the system just made him worse. The setup for a potential sequel is interesting too!
I thought he got the way he was because he stopped going to the doctor and taking his medication. I swear there was a text on his phone or a letter you could find of the doctor reaching out to him asking him about continuing the appointments or asking about his medication.
If theyre working on a sequel (cause otherwise why the random bonus scene with sam) It would be soo interesting to see them go into the direction of resolving the trauma from the events of Until dawn, cause one of the reasons why its so interesting to watch the ending interviews for me is it really makes you curious what would happen to them after the events, compared to most games/ shows where its like "whew it ended good for them"
It would be cooler if it changes depending on who you got killed, like if you save Mike or Sam, they would be the main character again but if you saved the rest but ended up killing Sam and Mike then one of them should take the role
For all the people who probably haven't tought about why Sam has that mark on her arm at the end ...well do you rememember Until Dawn before the Remake existed. Well, at the end techincally she killed them at the end when she turned off the light and the whole house burned killing the remaining wendigos ,there was a spirit in the air and if you remember what they said ,after you kill a wendigo and wendigo can really and only get killed by fire ,they release a curse that will haunt you forever ,i could be wrong but even tho i played that game years ago i was a big big fan of it and i remember very well what was the game about and the story for playing a lot and that's what came in my mind when i saw that mark with blood on Sam ,she was the last one leaving the house and killing all the Wendigo inside ,it showed the curse right after but not in the Remake and some people who never played the first game or don't remember about it there it is . Im 99% sure that's the reason ,but i could be wrong
It's more like after a wendigo dies it's spirit gets unleashed and ready to possess a new victim but can only do so if the victim commits an act of cannibalism and it has to be on the mountain so the mark probably has nothing to do with the wendigo spirit and it's most likely sam harming herself or so kind of other thing related to a possible sequel
Well, since everyone like "damn that was terrible" and only Sam was serious af, it is possible she start taking pills to cure her mind going off and her self-not-trating-right tendeicies. Maybe even meet the Doc like Josh
@@life_enjoyer_161 dang i haven't tought about that ,yes Sam was probably the most "real" out of them all about this topic ,might me a possibility but this doesn't explain her visions ,wim Is that the mark she had on the arm that kept re-appearing even after cleaning It kept losing Blood for some reason ,i still don't understand why the shape of it of what it means and also in the final scene if were if wendigo claws showed as a shadow which is not clear ,might be a lot of things or might just be that she is way into it and paranoic that she started seeing things or what i think " she got it by a curse". Anyway i find these small details really particular and intriguing that made me want to know more about it ,hope we will have someone who can talk about It im the future because im soo curious about such things and about this game that i found wonderful even if i wont buy the remake i will watch episode one by one of my favorite creators
@EyeofZaun but that probably isn't the reason ,maybe she became paranoic and started taking pills and now seeing things...who knows at this point but i found this game really cool for sure
Finally they did an ending with Josh still alive at the end of the game. It was so depressing getting the "everyone is alive" achievment while realizing that Josh either dies or turns into a wendigo (which he also dies because he lost his humanity). Now he really can be safed and found by the police officers because you see a flashlight at the beginning of his end scene.
Mental illness is hard if given the chance I would have saved him besides when I f***** up mine that was his idea of a joke nobody got killed so honestly he didn't deserve his fate.
The doctor wasnt helping him. When you go to the psychos lair and see how many times hes gone to therapy and paid so much money and hes still suffering its clear nothing is working @4rinstr_
17:21 i'm not sure if this is just the lightning on his hair but, people after facing huge amounts of stress (more commonly seen in soldiers with ptsd) tend to look older and sometimes even create gray hair (although the game is clearly exaggerating here). Again, not sure if it's just the lightning being weird but that's a nice touch if intentional. Ah dang it, turns out it was indeed the lighting
Pour être précis les cheveux ne deviennent pas gris ou blancs. Les cheveux colorés tombent sous le coup du stress et il ne reste que les cheveux blancs.
It's lighting, Josh is only 20, no matter the PTSD; it's insanely rare to have Grey hair at that age, if anything it's far more common for young Adults to have receding hairlines due to stress
I know this ending hints more towards a sequel, but I would’ve massively preferred a prequel. The lore with the miners and the sanitarium was so interesting, it’d be cool to play in that time
I know people are glad that we can save Josh now, and I understand it because he definitely didn't deserve what he got. But I also feel like thematically, it makes sense for us to end the game feeling the guilt of not being able to help everyone. It puts the player in the same headspace as the characters, because even if they made it out, they'll never be the same and they'll never be able to stop thinking about the things they could've done differently to make it all better, just like the player tries to think of ways we could've helped everyone out alive
Yeah, I get why people feel like mental illness was being demonized, but honestly, as a video game character, not a person, I think Josh's fate being sealed was important symbolically? The butterfly-effect of events that happen from that one prank ends up ruining all of their lives (to one degree or another), but it's Josh and his sisters who die every time. They are the ones who are cursed. And in some ways, it's the "family curse," so to speak, inherited from their family that unethically seized the land in the first place? In some less-Hollywood-ized examples of indigenous American lore, these sorts of spirits or monsters are not created specifically by cannibalism, but by acts of horrific inhumanity. So to have this "curse" that they've inherited from their parents for their transgressions, plus a group of friends that lets them down, plus a failing support system, PLUS a "player" not being able to save them... I dunno. I like black holes in the butterfly effect web, where nothing you do can fix it. These events have been set in motion before the characters or player even arrive.
I'm so happy about this, it never made sense to me that Josh was the only character we couldn't save when, in my opinion, he was the one that deserved the most. He lost EVERYTHING and he clearly has untreated mental problems, I don't blame him at all for the prank, he had no idea his friends would actually get hurt.... I'm so happy omg, I've waited YEARS for this new ending for the character 🥹
He did drug them, knock them out with violence and psychologically torture chris of all people so i’d say thats still pretty wrong regardless, but i agree he should have been saveable
Josh is a weird character. He obviously did some horrible things, but he was also all different kinds of broken and disturbed. I also want to say that his targets deserved it, but he ended up traumatizing the people who had the _least_ to do with with his sisters' disappearance. At the same time, these people also showed virtually no remorse over it until pushed. You can get the bits and pieces of what Josh's arc was supposed to be, but the writing itself messes him up.
@@mavibaso what he did was obviously wrong, but it never meant to be that serious... He clearly was in the middle of a schizophrenia breakdown and grieving the loss of his sisters and his friends never even brothered to say sorry, the prank was extreme but I understand him.
@@crypto66 @@crypto66 I think Chris and Sam got worse than the others because Josh expected better from them, even if they didn't had anything to do with the prank, Sam knew what was happening and she did very little to stop it and Chris was too drunk to do anything, the same as Josh (which is very clear he also blames himself a lot), so I think in his head the "betrayal" was worse than what the others did. Chris was his best friend and Sam is clearly the girl he has feelings for and also his sisters's best friend, in his head they should've done better. Himself included.
@@nanataviajando The problem there is it wasn't really shown; when he revealed himself to them, he just talked about letting them have a taste of the same humilliation "they" did to his sister even though "they" didn't do it. Just to be clear; I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying the writing is inconsistent. The game could've given him lines hinting at this percieved betrayal or that he had something different planned for the others, but I guess it just forgot about that. Honestly, the whole Saw thing seemed more about drawing out the idea of a slasher red herring and Josh's characterization was merely secondary.
Josh getting rescued brings me with so much joy because he’s the first character I’ve seen who I related to on an extreme level! But at the cost of Sam’s survival meaning now she’s the one with a sad ending 😩
The wendigos in the ps4 version sounded way more scarier and ferocious than the ps5 version and glad to see they changed the fate of Josh either being killed by the wendigo or becoming the wendigo and kept him alive but either way the game is still phenomenal hopefully they make a remake of this
People saying this ending automatically means we'll get a sequel have never seen the ending of a typical horror movie. **Edit: for those unaware, what I mean is that it's quite common to end a horror movie on a cliffhanger or leave it "open" but never gets a sequel. That's part of the horror aspect. You think the main protagonist(s) won/fixed things/escaped, only to learn the cycle will repeat itself and it's never really over.
This part 5:08 when josh gets caught. How the hell is mike still alive there? I thought the creature pulled him under the water like he shouldn't have been able to get away from that period.
So I have seen movies make this mistake before. The Wendigo is a possessing spirit, not a mark or a disease. Bites don't pass it and the only way to be cursed by it is by isolation and cannibalism. Sam has done neither of these and a mark, unless it's a sort of warning, wouldn't really make sense.
So my logic was when Sam killed all the wendigo in the end she was the last one to leave the cabin so the wendigo automatically was attached to her. Her bedroom was also years later. So I assume she’s been isolated like Josh because we see shes been taking a lot of pills also like Josh and it looks like she hasn’t been taking them lately. I think it’s implying at some point in those years she got possessed we don’t know how or why but I think that’s what they’re hinting at.
you know. something i just noticed. one of the really scary parts of the monstor lore is that their corrupted souls dont die right? like, you kill one, it just finds another body to inhabit. but here, only ONE soul left the burning building. dispite there being like 4 or 5 of those things in there that died. And only ONE of those things died for sure form the explosion. the rest (possibly even one of the last two right there at the very end before the cabin went boom) were killed by another of their own kind. maybe thats the weakness. you have to get them to kill eachother (or themselves).
The lore explains that the makkapitew (the alpha, most powerful wendigo) is the one who can move from one body to another and possess them after eating a human. That is also why we saw Handigo go after the other wendigos, they are petty competition and she doesn’t want them around and can easily take them out. She never went after them in the Sanatorium because she didn’t need to, they were locked up but Mike accidentally freed them. The rest of them simply become regular wendigos after eating another human because of the curse of the mountain and probably from being in proximity to the Makkapitew. those souls don’t transfer bodies so that’s why we only saw one leave the lodge.
@@realahcrewExcept Mike killed a wendigo when he met up with Sam, which had one of those spirit/curse things come out. It's definitely not just the Makkapitew.
they can only inhabit the body of someone who has committed cannibalism. its almost like a metaphor for prions which can be contracted by such behavior, it sits for a while until the right circusmtances. the reason josh goes wendigo last game is cause of hunger and nearly starving.
@@realahcrew there is a lot of questions about handigo's behavior when fighting the other wendigos. the wendigos don't attack each other usually. she deliberately targeted them one by one.
so the doctor wasn't just a hallucination from josh? i was hoping that he was also the narrator from the dark pictures but they're different actors, unless he's supposed to b like an eldritch horror and just takes a different form every time we see him
Yes he is a hallucination, he is his real doctor but he's not really there talking to him. N when hes talking at the end thats still just josh hallucinating his voice
No one here is explaining it well :T Dr. Hill IS REAL. If in the chase with Sam, we manage to escape successfully without Josh catching us, we can go to Josh's workshop where we find the evidence of his psychological analysis and his phone, where the last thing we can see is his conversation with Dr. Hill, where he asks him to stop the joke and go see him but Josh refuses. Due to Josh's schizophrenia, he has an altered concept of him where he believes that he is always judging him instead of helping him. Added to the fact that every time we go to see him, Josh's mental state is clear depending on how the room looks.
Are they planning a sequel and that’s why they made that bonus scene with Sam or just to show that she’s suicidal now? Seems pretty weird decision to include it now if there is no follow up
Suicidal? Thats not exactly what I took from that scene tbh. I though it was more of a Sam's also turning into a wendigo kinda thing, idk why everyone is assuming Josh isn't a Wendigo in this ending, the voice might just be a nod to Sam ending with the same fate as him. For some reason idk, haven't played this version. Edit: Nvm, I completely forgot about the cannibalism thing.
@@spicynips8466 Well he's not nor is she. The wendigos require cannibals as hosts. the new game has it that josh was found before he committed cannbiailsm which honestly makes moer sense cause they'd have said that there was a cave system. however that mark probably means something, what is the question. but she doesn't met the esoteric requirements.
@@taddad2641 Oof forgot about the whole cannibalism requirement, its been many years since I played the game. That mark has to mean something, wonder if they'll actually continue with the story or just leave it open.
@@BURNTOASTSR Same. Especially in the final lodge scene, with everyone standing still and the wendigo on the chandelier, the old music made things much more intense. The new one doesn't do it justice
Those wondering how, Someone commented that you had to make a specific choice during episode 8 for that ending maybe with Dr Hill?? Guessing it has to do with the Josh being/not being remorseful during a butterfly affect (need to make him remorseful AND find the evidence that Hannah is the windigo!
@@sarahleidner1600 Josh has to be remorseful, Sam has to find the journal AND Josh can't see any of his friends' corpses. If any of them are dead and hanging in the room Josh feels guilty and become a wendigo
Imagine if the sequel ends up being a alternative prequel in which we get to save the sisters (and have them have their own adventure) while maybe keeping them alive while having the guys also participate in it at that moment aswell
I’m sorry I know she’s terrible but I LOVE Emily. Not because I think she’s misunderstood or anything like that but she’s so horrible she’s hilarious and so entertaining to watch. Cartoonishly catty and a total narc… she’s great. I love that she says “freakin” in various voice lines.
I’m glad Josh gets a chance to be saved. If you do some digging, you find out that Josh was misdiagnosed and prescribed medications that exacerbated his schizophrenia. The dude still should have some consequences but he was being driven crazy through no fault of his own. It appears he was taking his medication, it was just the wrong medication.
Josh went through so much with his sisters dying. That must have been so traumatic for him. Considering they pranked his sisters; he probably blamed them for their deaths. Maybe he didn't mean to hurt them, but he didn't even know about the wendigos and the curse of the mountain. Josh deserves to be saved.
Sam is probably the smartest character in this game. She is the only one to think things through, and keep a clear head. She is clearly competent and does a lot to keep the other idiots safe from themselves. Girl ran for her life from (who she thought) was a psychopathic murderer in nothing but a towel and hit him with a bat, knocked down a rack of wine, and hid in an elevator shaft to avoid capture. She then went walking around in the mines by herself, barefoot, still in a towel to find the others and her clothes. When she learns about the Wendigos, she is calm (more so than anyone else, at least) and uses her athleticism to get places and get help from places the others can't reach. Mike is also really survival savvy in this game, but Sam ranks much higher for me because Mike is an idiot when it comes to his relationship with Emily and Jessica. Though to be fair, he did totally go to bat for Jessica. He tried to rescue her so hard, it is admirable, but still.
J'espère tellement un Until Dawn 2, La nouvelle fin avec Sam est très intrigante.... C'est triste de la voir dans cet état là, limite paranoïaque comme Josh et on peut imaginer que c'est comme ça pour tous les autres survivants ^^ On peut imaginer une suite, Sam a fait pleins de recherches et un potentiel remède existe vraiment ou un rituel, elle repart dans la montagne avec plusieurs personnes pour trouver Josh et le capturer ? Ou alors ce qui serait vraiment très cool c'est que le deuxième opus nous donne uniquement Josh comme gameplay (transformer en Wendigo, Makkapitew), on devrait alors traquer un groupe d'amis, faire des bons choix de pièges pour tuer des personnes ou les capturer ! ça nous permettrait d'en apprendre plus sur le comportement des wendigo et ce qui peut rester de sa vie humaine, ses pensées ect... Admettons que Sam est la seule og à revenir dans la montagne, Josh garde une part d'humanité tout comme Hannah et vu qu'il apprécie énormément Sam, il ne lui ferait pas de mal (comme Mike qu'Hannah ne tue jamais) Ils ont tellement de chemin à prendre qu'un deuxième opus peut être tout aussi excellent ! :D
I was really stoked to play this on PC since I never had the chance to before. But seeing how they replaced most of the sounds and music and rushed the animations and cutscenes makes me not want to play this. I hope someone mods the original soundtrack back in.
THANKS TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR IMPLEMENTING THIS OPTION IN THE REMAKE. I was very discouraged when I found out that in the original game there was no way to save Josh. I am relieved to know that in this remake they took the time to design the route. Thank you very much.
This is so cool. I want to see a sequel about Sam and Josh in a new adventure. Sam trying to heal from her mark and Josh getting his redemption. Along with some new interesting characters.
@rosa97509 like imagine thinking everything is fine then getting dragged across a mountain and then falling down a mineshaft life like 10 stories only to wake up when it's nearly dawn with no clue what happened just that you're in a lot of pain 😭😭 she's mu favourite just for that
Im not trying to be negative but at 1:10 when she talking, does it seem off with her emotion in her face talking about how traumatizing that is. Along with her talking through her teeth?
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Emily surviving encounters with wendigos and deciding to immediately rat everyone out to the cops is still hilarious.
She's a bitch and a stabbing rat. That's why i dont like her and shot her every single time i could 😂😂😂
as she ran past Ashley she pushed her too LOL
@@arpadszabo661 She hated Matt the Incredible Sulk more than the Wendigos. 😄
Why does nobody ever try to keep Matt and Emily’s relationship positive?
In this whole game Emily is always in it for herself
I’m glad they allowed this change, Josh deserved to be saved
but what was that why is Josh with Sam at the end?
@@xRanAngel Do we know it was Josh? I assumed it was her parents or something. She doesn't seem like she's been doing so well.
but he wasnt? he was still stuck in the mines and by himself somehow still alive. so i wouldn't really call that being saved more like left behind
@@megagangster321 considering we saw flashlights, it's implied that the search party that the others suggested to go into the mines found him. He's just insolation as dr hill said, mentally torturing himself.
@@TheTardisDreamer I assumed it was dr hill, makes sense that she'd fall into a depression after what happened and now she's possibly being monitored
I'm so happy they added this cause man Josh deserved better than either of his fates in the original. I just hope that if there IS a sequel like that other new cutscene feels like is hinting towards, that the 'Save Josh' ending is the canonical ending they go with going through into that game. Hope he's getting the help he needs
yeah i mean it seems to be a fairly badly kept secret that there is an Until Dawn 2 in the works
YES I KNOW IM SO PUMPED HE GETS AN ACTUALLY GOOD ENDINGGGGG
YESSSSSS
if he got saved its not logical to survive after everyone not with him anymore for years without any food supply then other wendigos or some dead meat he found, hooooo so spooky horrors
Yea but I hate the fact that it’s been damn near a decade later💀 seeing him survive just feels weird
WE ACTUALLY CAN SAVE JOSH NOW!? I was so pissed we weren't able to save ALL of them in the original
I almost saved all of them during my first play through but I missed a prompt at the part with Chris and that stranger where he had to shoot the Wendigo once more before making it to the lodge safely. I clicked the button but the game lagged so he got killed, other than that everyone was saved
Actually you can lol, this is indeed a secret final since the original one, but it’s totally not a “new final” as the creator is trying to sell in this video 😂
@@_bastian6663 If you save Josh in the original one, he turns into a wendigo if i remember well, you can't save him like in this video.
@@_bastian6663 this is totally new,saving josh before meant him turning into a wendigo, now he'salive and safe
@@_bastian6663in the original he becomes wendigo, haven't you played
Man, poor Jess really came out of this game really wrecked and traumatized.
Yeah, she never met mike from mid game until the ending either, poor her.
I would too if I got snatched out a window after telling the wedigos she is gonna get fucked all night.
Her and Josh's mind are most definitely fried af.
Both her and Josh are going to need all the therapy they can possibly get. Jess is not only traumatised but now has ptsd and Josh is loosing his sanity from not taking his meds to help him cope with the loss of his sisters.
She deserved it tbh, she was the worst character
I like they made josh more sympathetic in the remake. after he gets caught in the og he just goes full "I'm a crazy person" ... I really hope that extra" years later" is a tease for an until dawn 2. which should totally be called "until dusk" and be about sam/Josh with new characters doing a "horror movie during the day" thing like midsommar.
I like the ending implies he’ll get redemption.
I want all the other characters to stay tho. 😢
Ya they should do that
until dusk... i'm glad you all aren't making these games
😂😂😂@@reallyvictor
Listen I know Mike was an asshole for what he did to Hannah. BUT! He is an absolute Unit when it came to staying alive and killing those wendigos. Man chopped off his own fingers, got caught in an explosion, killed like 8 of those monsters and did it all in a single night.
He goes from unbearable jerk to maybe the biggest hero of the group. I can respect a guy who comes through when the Chips are down
@@l30ng62 literally man
Mike además de burlarse de Hannah luego dejó a Emily por su mejor amiga Jessie, y a Jessie igual al engañaba con Emma. Hay un punto que pensé que todas estaban locas por estar obsesionadas así por semejante imbecil... Luego vi todo lo que hizo en el juego para rescatar a Jessie y salvar al grupo y lo entendí todo, todas esas chicas tenían razón en ir por Mike 😅
Mike detonating the lodge with his lighter if sam is dead is such a badass moment
He goes through an entire arch that night.
mike, and sam are the badasses of this story.
Ya theybwre
The fact they’re forced to stay alive until the very end helps lol
Wdym forced??? Like they're the MC in this version and can't be killed? Sorry i don't know what changed in the remakes@@AmVezix
Chris is my homie
@@_itsjaemi mike and sam are the mc in the original too and both can’t be killed until the very last scene in the lodge
I guess it’s fair to say that this game will be getting the sequel which most of us have been asking for years and I think the story will be about Sam returning to the mountains so that she may end the wendigos permanently and I think Josh will be there to help her
Given how the ending was previously in the first game it was where Josh became a wendigo, specifically the Makkapitew, and was the last wendigo still alive
Mike is the main character along with Sam, mike would need to be in the game
@@Cameron-up3vp I agree
@@masterskygamer306 but things could change now this new ending might be the canon one now so perhaps he will return to help Sam and receive his ultimate redemption
@alihadadi81 Yes, I get that, but like I said, there originally there be any more wendigos but Josh and now with this new ending there shouldn't be any left
It always irked me that Josh got left behind and died in the original when all of his asshole friends, save for Sam, did that prank that left resulted in the sisters dying.
Chris wasnt involved either, he was passed out drunk with Josh.
Josh also brought them back for the sole purpose of torturing them for a night, which is inarguably worse than the prank on Hannah
@@TheMurrmursonbottle, The difference between Josh and Mike's prank is that Mike and company were all sane. They all knew they were toying with Hannah's emotions. Even if the sisters didn't die, I wouldn't be friends with people like that.
@@TheMurrmursonbottlejosh also never intended for any of them to actually get hurt, he went off the deep end when he learned why BOTH of sisters had died. Wendigo aside, They got off lucky honestly.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle a prank from a mentally ill person or a prank from a *group* of mentally sane persons…. Ahh yes lets blame the mentally ill person anyways.
I’m not gonna lie, the quality of Jess’s eyes in the end credits look unreal, it’s actually scary to me.
It looks so real, like she's seeing but not really looking because of her trauma 😢
her eyes just in this remake are soooo beautiful
@@rosade_shellshock. Like soldiers would have after returning from the horrors of war. Creepy
I was telling my sister about how she looks in the credits. Totally haunted. She was out the whole night, and had no idea what was going on or what happened until the very end. Imo it kind of mimics how you as the player feel about her during the, what, 5 real time hours that you don’t see her for? Would periodically just think “where’s Jess? What’s up with Jess? Is Jess okay?” The question of her well being haunts the night.
I feel that out of all the characters, her graphics and facial emotions are the most realistic-looking.
its so crazy to see how rami malek has evolved in his acting since the original game holy crap
Have you seen Mr Robot? It's a show in which he is the protagonist. I didn't know this game, I first saw Rami Malek in this show. And he has automatically become my favourite actor ever and the show is one of my favourite shows ever. Highly recommend. It's a shame it's not famous as it should, because it's literally masterpiece.
@ i have! he's one of my favourite actors too, i think he flies under the radar despite an incredible discography. he was also in a sitcom called 'the war at home' that i really loved when i was like 15 or 16 :)
@ discography? I didn't know he made music? Or did you mean filmography?
Btw I love him so much as an actor, I first saw him in Mr Robot, and I've been following him since. His performance in Mr Robot is spectacular. He should've won many awards just for that. Heck, Mr Robot itself, as a series, should've won many awards too. It's true that Rami flies under the radar, and I think it's because he isn't the conventional "Hollywood beauty" (even tho I personally think he's super handsome, and I like him much more than most Hollywood actors)... Another reason might be because he doesn't act in big shows or movies, so the general public doesn't see him much. I don't know the sitcom you're talking about, did he do it before "Until Dawn" ? In my country it's even harder to see certain movies or shows on the TV, because only the most famous stuff gets dubbed and put on TV or cinemas. For example, I have watched Mr Robot in English, from start to finish, on a streaming site. Luckily, I learned English when I was 16-17 , so it's been around 15 years that I speak English, and I understand it pretty well, even tho it's my 4th language. Knowing English gives me the opportunity to watch many things that you can't normally find on the TV here. And I'm glad, because I would've never discovered the amazing actor that Rami Małek is. One of these days I'm gonna re-watch Mr Robot, I watch it every year 😅 do you also cry like crazy during the last scene of the last episode, when he wakes up and you realize that the Elliot we've known for all the seasons is gone?
Edit: sorry for the super long comment, I just realized that it's super long, I got carried away too much 😭
@@CXLVIII Seriously, Claky's right, Mr. Robot is INCREDIBLE! One of the few productions, alongside Last of Us, that could approach the masterpiece that is DARK. In fact, DARK and Mr. Robot have similar themes explored in different directions.
everyone keep writing about how happy they're that now we can save josh, but this scene doesn't really look like a saving scene to me. he stayed there alone. god knows what happened to him there. he's more mentally unstable than ever, there are still vendigos out there. and the latter scene with sam seems more like just her hallucinations & the trauma result. it still seems to me that we didn't save josh at all. seems more like it was just a scene in between his timing before he turned into wendigo, like it was in the original game
You can see a flashlight on the door to the cave which is likely from the police, and Josh looking up was probably him seeing his rescuer
@@TotalyNotTony everyone thought he died there. why would rescuers go & search for him in the cave? if it really is a saving josh scene, then this is a plot hole. realy poor plot hole :(
@@innundirskinni In the first shot with the closed door it's very clearly a flashlight. Also in the ending where Josh becomes a Wendigo, there were people searching the mines because of what Sam said. There's no reason for that to change in the new ending so unless they missed the closed door near the stranger's severed head I think Josh got out
@@TotalyNotTony i forgot about that detail in the original. well, you've got some point, i guess. but it's weird that 'some years later' sam hears his voice like for the first time since the accident...
@@innundirskinniI mean when Josh was taken he was with Mike and I feel like to leave out the fact that he was taken and not killed would be more then enough of a reason for the police to search the area either for a body or to rescue him.
I feel bad for Matt. His character was thrown under the bus the moment he appeared on screen. At least Josh can be saved now. He also deserved better
I liked the original Wendigo screams more. They sounded like unstoppable force of the nature. 12:21 That scream sounded POWERFUL in the original.
Me too
ME TOO- The screams in the og is what made me obsessed with wendigos- it was one of the only games to actually scare me now it's just "well thats cool"
Yeah. If you wear headphones playing the original, the scream felt like it was shaking me. Almost made me mess up the prompt.
@@samuraijackoff5354same! I loved the surround sound from the headphones but that scream almost made me jump
Totally agree. That was immediate reaction when I heard the new one.
Personally I like the the wendigo Josh ending because it’s just fits to so well with his character thematically but I love that they added a new ending in the remake for him as before there weren’t really many choices for him
part of it i think is that it was more ilkely they'd have fuond hmi before he began starving enough to eat human flesh.
the spirits cannot possess unless the host has committed cannibalism, however justififed.
@@taddad2641 either that or he finds his way out of the mines and back to civilization.
If you get this ending, then the wendigos are all dead pretty much, so he wouldn't get stopped by Hannah
@@taddad2641 It would have been cool to have Sam's survival be tied to his, since she's the one who tells them to go into the mines.
I didn’t understand why josh turns into a wendigo? Did he eat someone?
@@yeontansrainism2449 I think its when hannah remembers him she gives him the Hunter guy to eat. you can see his body dangling before they show josh again
Being able to save my boy Josh is literally the best thing this game could have ever done and they did it, thank you
I'm happy Josh can now be saved. Although there was a poetic tragedy to his ending, I always felt so bad for his character and the fact he couldn't ever find redemption or survive without basically a nightmarish outcome.
But also that Sam ending. WHAT?! Sam was my favourite. I need to know what's going on! It doesn't link concretely to any of the game lore, that I can think of. I can only hope it's the hint we'll get a sequel and Sam will be in it! I would love that! Especially as Hayden Panettiere has had a pretty rough time and hasn't been in much for a while... It also does make sense that Sam's pretty traumatised by what happened. But if a character as level-headed as her isn't coping, even with Josh surviving, then I can't imagine the other characters doing so well. I guess it could be argued that Sam would've avoided seeking real help and instead coped (unhealthily) by obsessing over what happened.
I was so confused when I saw Sam in the end! We need her to be happy >
I so agree with the Josh part, it's just
I'm happy that we can save him but I like the poetry of his tragic fate
@@TheSweety200 "Happy"? She was almost killed multiple times by some creepy and bloodthirsty, repulsive creatures that literally screamed in her face multiple times while she was inches from being ripped apart by them over and over again.
She has PTSD. I don't know if she'll ever be happy. The girl is traumatized and understandably so.
@@AJ-lm5dl I know that. Thats why I said I NEED her zu be happy. She deserves it. She is my favourite character.
Thank the Lord. Josh deserves a happy ending
@springtrap1796 he's not a villain at all. He's just broken. It was just a prank that went too far.
Ya it does
@@Darkwatch2002 I know :(
@@Darkwatch2002yeah he never even hurts anyone either he used either a needle full of some drug to knock you out or a mask full of knock out gas the only exception is Ashley but that only happens if you stab him in the shoulder with the scissors. He never outright hurts them cause ultimately he still considers them his friends but he's a hurt mentally unstable wreck who wants them to feel what Hannah felt. The fear, humiliation, hurt that's all he wanted. Now as for Sam and Chris that's a trickier situation as it's difficult to say wether he blames them for Hannah and Beth's disappearance but considering he doesn't really do anything to Sam it's safe to assume he doesn't or at the very least is being more tame with hers because of his crush on her but I feel like it's more he doesn't blame her but also did a mild more harmless prank on her so shes still involved in the humiliation but it's not so obvious that she's being spared and as for Chris despite being his best friend he gets the most of it thrown at him now this is a little more obvious as to why and it's in joshes own words he views Chris as a bit of a pussy/coward since he always flops at telling Ashley how he feels so Josh In his own twisted way is helping him by putting him and ashley in the position of a life or death scenario to get him to confess which he'd know how to do best since his dad is a film director
@@springtrap1796 Just imagine how would you do in his shoes? His sisters died because of a joke made by his best friends, his family is gone totally. He is alone, broken and devastated and he has every right to go mad obviously he didnt kill anyone but he just made prank went too far beyond his friends.
I love the enhances details on the characters. the mud, dirt, wounds. even some of the animations were enhanced. this was great.
If there's gonna be a sequel, they'd better do it right. I've always wanted one (and I'm so excited about this new ending for Josh!!!) but the game was amazing as it was, the story felt quite finished. It'll be hard for a sequel to live up to it. I really hope we get one, but only if it's done right.
I love the game but I don’t think a sequel would ever happen. Imo It doesn’t make sense (story wise) and I think people would complain either way. But you never know
It's been leaked that Firesprite Games (a subsidiary of Sony) was developing a "single-player narrative horror game with a female lead" from job listings, so it COULD be that.
If we got a sequel, what do you think it’d be about? Would they go back to the mountain (unlikely) like what’s the plot
@@TheMoment127 I don't know how they could make a sequel, the original story was whether or not we could save these characters, if we have the exact same characters (or several old and new ones) it might be a bit too repetitive to save them a second time
@@lowkie78 exactly but maybe after all that happened at the end of the game. Some stupid teens probably wanted to check it out for themselves or Hannah’s spirit gets to someone. That’s all I could think of really
Josh looks so handsome and pretty in the thumbnail i'm like straight but i'm just saying he looks...cool
He really just returned to this role to mog on everyone lol
dude im a lesbian but i had a phase where i was so obsessed with rami malek because of josh
@@hipoe2367 Until dawn is really cool, I'm looking forward to getting this remake/remaster whatever it is ^^
@@hipoe2367 rami looks so much hotter in the game than irl
@@hipoe2367guess ur no longer a lesbian 😆
GODDD YES RAMI BEST EVER
I'm so glad this ending exists. Josh really did NOT deserve the fate he got when you come to the realisation that he is *genuinely* mentally ill and all the "help" he got from the system just made him worse.
The setup for a potential sequel is interesting too!
I thought he got the way he was because he stopped going to the doctor and taking his medication. I swear there was a text on his phone or a letter you could find of the doctor reaching out to him asking him about continuing the appointments or asking about his medication.
He stopped taking his meds, wtf are you blaming the system for? Sam and the real Dr. Hill were the only people that were actually concerned about him.
If theyre working on a sequel (cause otherwise why the random bonus scene with sam) It would be soo interesting to see them go into the direction of resolving the trauma from the events of Until dawn, cause one of the reasons why its so interesting to watch the ending interviews for me is it really makes you curious what would happen to them after the events, compared to most games/ shows where its like "whew it ended good for them"
It would be cooler if it changes depending on who you got killed, like if you save Mike or Sam, they would be the main character again but if you saved the rest but ended up killing Sam and Mike then one of them should take the role
For all the people who probably haven't tought about why Sam has that mark on her arm at the end ...well do you rememember Until Dawn before the Remake existed.
Well, at the end techincally she killed them at the end when she turned off the light and the whole house burned killing the remaining wendigos ,there was a spirit in the air and if you remember what they said ,after you kill a wendigo and wendigo can really and only get killed by fire ,they release a curse that will haunt you forever ,i could be wrong but even tho i played that game years ago i was a big big fan of it and i remember very well what was the game about and the story for playing a lot and that's what came in my mind when i saw that mark with blood on Sam ,she was the last one leaving the house and killing all the Wendigo inside ,it showed the curse right after but not in the Remake and some people who never played the first game or don't remember about it there it is .
Im 99% sure that's the reason ,but i could be wrong
@EyeofZaun exactly :)
It's more like after a wendigo dies it's spirit gets unleashed and ready to possess a new victim but can only do so if the victim commits an act of cannibalism and it has to be on the mountain so the mark probably has nothing to do with the wendigo spirit and it's most likely sam harming herself or so kind of other thing related to a possible sequel
Well, since everyone like "damn that was terrible" and only Sam was serious af, it is possible she start taking pills to cure her mind going off and her self-not-trating-right tendeicies. Maybe even meet the Doc like Josh
@@life_enjoyer_161 dang i haven't tought about that ,yes Sam was probably the most "real" out of them all about this topic ,might me a possibility but this doesn't explain her visions ,wim Is that the mark she had on the arm that kept re-appearing even after cleaning It kept losing Blood for some reason ,i still don't understand why the shape of it of what it means and also in the final scene if were if wendigo claws showed as a shadow which is not clear ,might be a lot of things or might just be that she is way into it and paranoic that she started seeing things or what i think " she got it by a curse".
Anyway i find these small details really particular and intriguing that made me want to know more about it ,hope we will have someone who can talk about It im the future because im soo curious about such things and about this game that i found wonderful even if i wont buy the remake i will watch episode one by one of my favorite creators
@EyeofZaun but that probably isn't the reason ,maybe she became paranoic and started taking pills and now seeing things...who knows at this point but i found this game really cool for sure
New ending❌
Secret ending✔️
Literally it is Secret ending. I did the old one when Josh is wendigo ... sooo ye it is Secret...
@@Chomik2102new secret
@@kagelynx yee
I thought this was a new secret ending I’ve never seen Josh NOT a wendigo and sam in that last scene
this wasnt in the original game, you couldnt save josh, he either dies or becomes a wendigo
Finally they did an ending with Josh still alive at the end of the game. It was so depressing getting the "everyone is alive" achievment while realizing that Josh either dies or turns into a wendigo (which he also dies because he lost his humanity). Now he really can be safed and found by the police officers because you see a flashlight at the beginning of his end scene.
17:26 why he look beautiful omg
no fr like omg?
NAH FR GOT ME GIGGLING
He always did 🤭
He got time to put on some mascara and highlights before the police arrived
He looks creepy as hell fym
1:50 idk why but i just love how mike says it lol
he has that best friend voice lmao you can forgive the worst insults to that
same
Mental illness is hard if given the chance I would have saved him besides when I f***** up mine that was his idea of a joke nobody got killed so honestly he didn't deserve his fate.
He was experiencing a lot and i guess his rich parents didn’t help him
@@classylady107 probably just chalked him off to that weird doctor and left it at that
@@zelbayanym was the doctor actually weird or did josh just imagine it?
The doctor wasnt helping him. When you go to the psychos lair and see how many times hes gone to therapy and paid so much money and hes still suffering its clear nothing is working @4rinstr_
@@4rinstr_These are hallucinations based on his psychiatrist.
17:21 i'm not sure if this is just the lightning on his hair but, people after facing huge amounts of stress (more commonly seen in soldiers with ptsd) tend to look older and sometimes even create gray hair (although the game is clearly exaggerating here). Again, not sure if it's just the lightning being weird but that's a nice touch if intentional.
Ah dang it, turns out it was indeed the lighting
I think it is just lighting being weird and it might get fixed eventually
Pour être précis les cheveux ne deviennent pas gris ou blancs. Les cheveux colorés tombent sous le coup du stress et il ne reste que les cheveux blancs.
The lighting in this game is exceptionally worse than the original so it’s definitely the lighting.
It's lighting, Josh is only 20, no matter the PTSD; it's insanely rare to have Grey hair at that age, if anything it's far more common for young Adults to have receding hairlines due to stress
Exactly man Josh was Snafu from The Pacific (2010) he was a marine.
I know this ending hints more towards a sequel, but I would’ve massively preferred a prequel. The lore with the miners and the sanitarium was so interesting, it’d be cool to play in that time
There's a game that I think it's like an official prequel where they kinda show this part of the story. It's called The Inpatient.
I know people are glad that we can save Josh now, and I understand it because he definitely didn't deserve what he got. But I also feel like thematically, it makes sense for us to end the game feeling the guilt of not being able to help everyone. It puts the player in the same headspace as the characters, because even if they made it out, they'll never be the same and they'll never be able to stop thinking about the things they could've done differently to make it all better, just like the player tries to think of ways we could've helped everyone out alive
Yeah, I get why people feel like mental illness was being demonized, but honestly, as a video game character, not a person, I think Josh's fate being sealed was important symbolically? The butterfly-effect of events that happen from that one prank ends up ruining all of their lives (to one degree or another), but it's Josh and his sisters who die every time. They are the ones who are cursed. And in some ways, it's the "family curse," so to speak, inherited from their family that unethically seized the land in the first place? In some less-Hollywood-ized examples of indigenous American lore, these sorts of spirits or monsters are not created specifically by cannibalism, but by acts of horrific inhumanity. So to have this "curse" that they've inherited from their parents for their transgressions, plus a group of friends that lets them down, plus a failing support system, PLUS a "player" not being able to save them... I dunno. I like black holes in the butterfly effect web, where nothing you do can fix it. These events have been set in motion before the characters or player even arrive.
I'm so happy about this, it never made sense to me that Josh was the only character we couldn't save when, in my opinion, he was the one that deserved the most.
He lost EVERYTHING and he clearly has untreated mental problems, I don't blame him at all for the prank, he had no idea his friends would actually get hurt.... I'm so happy omg, I've waited YEARS for this new ending for the character 🥹
He did drug them, knock them out with violence and psychologically torture chris of all people so i’d say thats still pretty wrong regardless, but i agree he should have been saveable
Josh is a weird character. He obviously did some horrible things, but he was also all different kinds of broken and disturbed. I also want to say that his targets deserved it, but he ended up traumatizing the people who had the _least_ to do with with his sisters' disappearance. At the same time, these people also showed virtually no remorse over it until pushed.
You can get the bits and pieces of what Josh's arc was supposed to be, but the writing itself messes him up.
@@mavibaso what he did was obviously wrong, but it never meant to be that serious... He clearly was in the middle of a schizophrenia breakdown and grieving the loss of his sisters and his friends never even brothered to say sorry, the prank was extreme but I understand him.
@@crypto66 @@crypto66 I think Chris and Sam got worse than the others because Josh expected better from them, even if they didn't had anything to do with the prank, Sam knew what was happening and she did very little to stop it and Chris was too drunk to do anything, the same as Josh (which is very clear he also blames himself a lot), so I think in his head the "betrayal" was worse than what the others did. Chris was his best friend and Sam is clearly the girl he has feelings for and also his sisters's best friend, in his head they should've done better. Himself included.
@@nanataviajando The problem there is it wasn't really shown; when he revealed himself to them, he just talked about letting them have a taste of the same humilliation "they" did to his sister even though "they" didn't do it. Just to be clear; I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying the writing is inconsistent. The game could've given him lines hinting at this percieved betrayal or that he had something different planned for the others, but I guess it just forgot about that.
Honestly, the whole Saw thing seemed more about drawing out the idea of a slasher red herring and Josh's characterization was merely secondary.
Josh getting rescued brings me with so much joy because he’s the first character I’ve seen who I related to on an extreme level! But at the cost of Sam’s survival meaning now she’s the one with a sad ending 😩
The wendigos in the ps4 version sounded way more scarier and ferocious than the ps5 version and glad to see they changed the fate of Josh either being killed by the wendigo or becoming the wendigo and kept him alive but either way the game is still phenomenal hopefully they make a remake of this
I’m glad they allowed an ending where you can save Josh because man he didn’t deserve what he went through
This is the best thing to wake up to at 7am
It’s going to be ok Freddie Mercury! 0:26
Elliot Alderson*
POOKIE SURVIVAL ROUTE NO WAY 😭😭🫶🫶
GOROU!!
People saying this ending automatically means we'll get a sequel have never seen the ending of a typical horror movie.
**Edit: for those unaware, what I mean is that it's quite common to end a horror movie on a cliffhanger or leave it "open" but never gets a sequel. That's part of the horror aspect. You think the main protagonist(s) won/fixed things/escaped, only to learn the cycle will repeat itself and it's never really over.
One can hope right
Dude the sequel has literally been announced.
@@Angel_Auraa when? All I see are rumors and speculation floating around. I don't think anything has been confirmed.
@@Angel_Auraasource?
@@willowingwhispers2612
Dude, don't you trust his non-existant source?
It was said on the internet, it must be true
One of Rami's funniest roles.
Funniest?
@@gibgabsteryeah josh made some jokes here and then
@@LiverpoolGOAT3281 oh I couldn’t tell if they were making like a he’s crazy joke or not
@@gibgabster it’s Alright
Watching this video is like revisiting an old friend. It's so cool Until Dawn has been gifted this expansion. I hope the movie doesn't drop the ball
It took 10 years but Josh can finally have a (some-what) good end
This part 5:08 when josh gets caught. How the hell is mike still alive there? I thought the creature pulled him under the water like he shouldn't have been able to get away from that period.
Wendigo was hannah, she had a crush on Mike, might be the reason she let him go.
@@mattoatbrooklynz4247 That’s kind of lame? He was part of the prank, no?
@@CommanderShepardsBaconit is kinda lame, but she has a massive crush on him, she had MULTIPLE shots at killing and still refuses to do so
@@mattoatbrooklynz4247 ah that would make sense
@@sanvalentine23And even when Hannah actually « kills » him she only severely injures him,reason why he is able to light up the lodge if Sam dies
MY MAN JOSH CAN BE SAVED OMGOMG
My wish has come true! Josh can be saved and remain human!☺🙏
So I have seen movies make this mistake before. The Wendigo is a possessing spirit, not a mark or a disease. Bites don't pass it and the only way to be cursed by it is by isolation and cannibalism. Sam has done neither of these and a mark, unless it's a sort of warning, wouldn't really make sense.
So my logic was when Sam killed all the wendigo in the end she was the last one to leave the cabin so the wendigo automatically was attached to her. Her bedroom was also years later. So I assume she’s been isolated like Josh because we see shes been taking a lot of pills also like Josh and it looks like she hasn’t been taking them lately. I think it’s implying at some point in those years she got possessed we don’t know how or why but I think that’s what they’re hinting at.
@@Miracleman249 Again, not how it works. You get possessed AFTER eating someone.
You’re assuming it’s a Windigo spirit. I don’t think it is.
@@valathor95How so? The mystery native man says it is indeed a spirit.
A remake that actually delivers rather than just upgrading graphics and making the audio better
yall he’s so pretty in the thumbnail omg
you know. something i just noticed. one of the really scary parts of the monstor lore is that their corrupted souls dont die right?
like, you kill one, it just finds another body to inhabit.
but here, only ONE soul left the burning building. dispite there being like 4 or 5 of those things in there that died.
And only ONE of those things died for sure form the explosion. the rest (possibly even one of the last two right there at the very end before the cabin went boom) were killed by another of their own kind.
maybe thats the weakness. you have to get them to kill eachother (or themselves).
The lore explains that the makkapitew (the alpha, most powerful wendigo) is the one who can move from one body to another and possess them after eating a human. That is also why we saw Handigo go after the other wendigos, they are petty competition and she doesn’t want them around and can easily take them out. She never went after them in the Sanatorium because she didn’t need to, they were locked up but Mike accidentally freed them.
The rest of them simply become regular wendigos after eating another human because of the curse of the mountain and probably from being in proximity to the Makkapitew. those souls don’t transfer bodies so that’s why we only saw one leave the lodge.
@@realahcrewExcept Mike killed a wendigo when he met up with Sam, which had one of those spirit/curse things come out. It's definitely not just the Makkapitew.
they can only inhabit the body of someone who has committed cannibalism. its almost like a metaphor for prions which can be contracted by such behavior, it sits for a while until the right circusmtances.
the reason josh goes wendigo last game is cause of hunger and nearly starving.
@@realahcrew there is a lot of questions about handigo's behavior when fighting the other wendigos. the wendigos don't attack each other usually. she deliberately targeted them one by one.
@@realahcrew oh. well TYVM
Josh was Honestly the only one i wanted to save everyone else got old
Still waiting on dark pictures anthology season 2
so the doctor wasn't just a hallucination from josh? i was hoping that he was also the narrator from the dark pictures but they're different actors, unless he's supposed to b like an eldritch horror and just takes a different form every time we see him
The Doctor is real and is part of Josh's rational mind clashing with his schizophrenia
At least that is how I took it
Wasn't the doctor a real character but in the scenes he sees him his mind is making it up?
I believe he’s supposed to be a real character, he’s Josh’s actual psychiatrist, but Josh also hallucinates him too and we only see his hallucination
Yes he is a hallucination, he is his real doctor but he's not really there talking to him. N when hes talking at the end thats still just josh hallucinating his voice
No one here is explaining it well :T Dr. Hill IS REAL. If in the chase with Sam, we manage to escape successfully without Josh catching us, we can go to Josh's workshop where we find the evidence of his psychological analysis and his phone, where the last thing we can see is his conversation with Dr. Hill, where he asks him to stop the joke and go see him but Josh refuses. Due to Josh's schizophrenia, he has an altered concept of him where he believes that he is always judging him instead of helping him. Added to the fact that every time we go to see him, Josh's mental state is clear depending on how the room looks.
Why is Jess the only one that looks drastically different?
She's just swollen. I imagine getting dragged for what? Few hundred meters? can do this to you. She looks fine in the beginning.
@@purple_1884ya
Matt is also basically a whole another person compared to the og game, if thats what you mean.
@@spicynips8466 matt acc become more like his actor due to upgrade graphics, in jess case its more about haircut being really different i think
Matt got the new douchebag Broccoli haircut people got these days, really threw me off
Are they planning a sequel and that’s why they made that bonus scene with Sam or just to show that she’s suicidal now? Seems pretty weird decision to include it now if there is no follow up
I’m pretty sure a sequel was leaked, but take this with a grain of salt
If theyres a sequel COUNT ME IN
Suicidal? Thats not exactly what I took from that scene tbh. I though it was more of a Sam's also turning into a wendigo kinda thing, idk why everyone is assuming Josh isn't a Wendigo in this ending, the voice might just be a nod to Sam ending with the same fate as him. For some reason idk, haven't played this version.
Edit: Nvm, I completely forgot about the cannibalism thing.
@@spicynips8466 Well he's not nor is she. The wendigos require cannibals as hosts. the new game has it that josh was found before he committed cannbiailsm which honestly makes moer sense cause they'd have said that there was a cave system.
however that mark probably means something, what is the question. but she doesn't met the esoteric requirements.
@@taddad2641 Oof forgot about the whole cannibalism requirement, its been many years since I played the game. That mark has to mean something, wonder if they'll actually continue with the story or just leave it open.
Look this remake is great
But the dialogue is the exact same
And I mean the EXACT same
But the whole lighting is much better this time around
I do miss the old music though
It's a remake, obviously
@@BURNTOASTSR Same. Especially in the final lodge scene, with everyone standing still and the wendigo on the chandelier, the old music made things much more intense. The new one doesn't do it justice
@@may___021 I think the biggest example is lack of the tense strings when Sam runs for the switch
@@luisfelipesilvaramos
This is a remaster
A remake keeps the same structure but changes a few things for example RE4
Now we need a remake of the remake where you can save Beth and Hannah.
Then a remake of the remake remake where we can save Jack.
Would be amazing
Dawg, if you can save Beth and Hannah then what’s the point of the game
@@marzox3384 exactly.
@@marzox3384 just a secret quick end that you unlock after finishing the game !
Or if you let Hannah go Beth survives and wants to get revenge. Hannah won’t turn to a wendigo because she didn’t eat Beth so she’ll just starve
Those wondering how, Someone commented that you had to make a specific choice during episode 8 for that ending maybe with Dr Hill?? Guessing it has to do with the Josh being/not being remorseful during a butterfly affect (need to make him remorseful AND find the evidence that Hannah is the windigo!
weird, i did both of that and it still didnt save him
@@sarahleidner1600 hmm
@@sarahleidner1600 Josh has to be remorseful, Sam has to find the journal AND Josh can't see any of his friends' corpses. If any of them are dead and hanging in the room Josh feels guilty and become a wendigo
@@JSkully ohhh alright, thank you!! gonna have to try it again
I have my phone on full brightness and still can’t see a damn thing
Imagine if the sequel ends up being a alternative prequel in which we get to save the sisters (and have them have their own adventure) while maybe keeping them alive while having the guys also participate in it at that moment aswell
I’m sorry I know she’s terrible but I LOVE Emily. Not because I think she’s misunderstood or anything like that but she’s so horrible she’s hilarious and so entertaining to watch. Cartoonishly catty and a total narc… she’s great. I love that she says “freakin” in various voice lines.
I never thought this game could look even better😂 jess looks so real at the end credits
I am so glad that Josh gets to be saved/have a better ending. He was demonized so badly for having schizophrenia/schizoaffective.
See now they actually cooked having Josh actually be saved instead of him just turning into a wendigo in the original that's cool i won't lie
I’m glad Josh gets a chance to be saved. If you do some digging, you find out that Josh was misdiagnosed and prescribed medications that exacerbated his schizophrenia. The dude still should have some consequences but he was being driven crazy through no fault of his own. It appears he was taking his medication, it was just the wrong medication.
He was off his meds but they were they weren’t right for him.
Josh went through so much with his sisters dying. That must have been so traumatic for him. Considering they pranked his sisters; he probably blamed them for their deaths. Maybe he didn't mean to hurt them, but he didn't even know about the wendigos and the curse of the mountain. Josh deserves to be saved.
Being able to save josh is a 1000 iq move 💯
How?
Seriously, please explain how.
I'm glad that they added this so Josh can survive he deserved better man. He deserves to live.
I'm so glad Josh can survive.
SAM AND MIKE HOLDING HANDS AT THE ENDING??? I'M FED
Sam is probably the smartest character in this game. She is the only one to think things through, and keep a clear head. She is clearly competent and does a lot to keep the other idiots safe from themselves. Girl ran for her life from (who she thought) was a psychopathic murderer in nothing but a towel and hit him with a bat, knocked down a rack of wine, and hid in an elevator shaft to avoid capture. She then went walking around in the mines by herself, barefoot, still in a towel to find the others and her clothes. When she learns about the Wendigos, she is calm (more so than anyone else, at least) and uses her athleticism to get places and get help from places the others can't reach.
Mike is also really survival savvy in this game, but Sam ranks much higher for me because Mike is an idiot when it comes to his relationship with Emily and Jessica. Though to be fair, he did totally go to bat for Jessica. He tried to rescue her so hard, it is admirable, but still.
J'espère tellement un Until Dawn 2, La nouvelle fin avec Sam est très intrigante....
C'est triste de la voir dans cet état là, limite paranoïaque comme Josh et on peut imaginer que c'est comme ça pour tous les autres survivants ^^
On peut imaginer une suite, Sam a fait pleins de recherches et un potentiel remède existe vraiment ou un rituel, elle repart dans la montagne avec plusieurs personnes pour trouver Josh et le capturer ?
Ou alors ce qui serait vraiment très cool c'est que le deuxième opus nous donne uniquement Josh comme gameplay (transformer en Wendigo, Makkapitew), on devrait alors traquer un groupe d'amis, faire des bons choix de pièges pour tuer des personnes ou les capturer !
ça nous permettrait d'en apprendre plus sur le comportement des wendigo et ce qui peut rester de sa vie humaine, ses pensées ect...
Admettons que Sam est la seule og à revenir dans la montagne, Josh garde une part d'humanité tout comme Hannah et vu qu'il apprécie énormément Sam, il ne lui ferait pas de mal (comme Mike qu'Hannah ne tue jamais)
Ils ont tellement de chemin à prendre qu'un deuxième opus peut être tout aussi excellent ! :D
I was really stoked to play this on PC since I never had the chance to before. But seeing how they replaced most of the sounds and music and rushed the animations and cutscenes makes me not want to play this. I hope someone mods the original soundtrack back in.
I too was ready to buy it, but due to OST downgrade I gave it a great pass.
So cool to see a new ending for Josh and a hint at a possible sequel with Sam! Exciting!
Didn't even know that we got a Remake
It's more of a remaster with a few added scenes.
So the main difference is that josh is no longer a wendigo got it
Ya now he can me saved
Nope, you need to go through specific steps to get this ending.
@@MrVideoFreak what are the steps?
@@GageTheSpartan not a clue, I think you need to find a few things and make certain choices. That's all I know
@@GageTheSpartan as josh, choose "they hurt me" and "im so sorry" and as sam find hannah's diary in the mines
THANKS TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR IMPLEMENTING THIS OPTION IN THE REMAKE. I was very discouraged when I found out that in the original game there was no way to save Josh. I am relieved to know that in this remake they took the time to design the route. Thank you very much.
Not gonna lie, the Wendigo's scream was faaarr better before
With Josh being my favorite I’m so happy!
It feels kinda weird to save Josh now
What does the mark on Sam mean i don’t remember that
@@Bedumzzza new one..I just hope Sam not turning wendigo or any monsters
@@Cookies_Aqua That would be stupid af
@@Bedumzzz Thats new, she never had a mark in the original version. And that voice sounded like the therapist
@@Cookies_Aquaif I remember correctly, to turn into one, you had to eat humans. That's what Hannah did to survive when she fell.
Josh looked so fine when he looked up lmao
0:58 😂 "Full Mental Jacket" is STILL as funny as it was the first time. This game is such genre trope gold i am actually considering buying it 🎉😂
Love watching different game plays. So much dialogue and outcomes I haven’t seen yet
When I watched through your whole playthrough, I was so disappointed that you didn't get the new ending. Thank you for going back and saving Josh
yo holdup does the new post-credit scene imply a Sam focussed Until Dawn sequel? that would be so goated (she's my favorite character in this game)
There will never be an ending that is as good as this. It was so unexpected and just couldn’t expect anything better
My biggest thing was not being able to save Josh, so I am super happy you can save him now.
Me too
This is so cool. I want to see a sequel about Sam and Josh in a new adventure. Sam trying to heal from her mark and Josh getting his redemption. Along with some new interesting characters.
I still to this day feel so bad for Jess, like she was put through hell omg
fr she was definitely the one who went through hell , literally getting dragged in the cave with the wendigos
@rosa97509 like imagine thinking everything is fine then getting dragged across a mountain and then falling down a mineshaft life like 10 stories only to wake up when it's nearly dawn with no clue what happened just that you're in a lot of pain 😭😭 she's mu favourite just for that
i mean she sure deserved it, after what she did. What they all did
12:16 I really like this part, I think more horror games should use this "don't move" thing, it's amazing
It’s been how many years and we finally getting a sequel?
Let’s gooo
9 years and 2 months I believe. But I never played it until February 2018. Platniumed it on October 2018
0:58 Full mental jacket 🔥🔥🔥
Bravo Vince
15:47 glad than it didn't changed than Emily blames Matt for not attempted to save her, despite the fact than he DID attempted and almost died. 😅
So glad we’re able to save Josh
Im not trying to be negative but at 1:10 when she talking, does it seem off with her emotion in her face talking about how traumatizing that is. Along with her talking through her teeth?
I think it’s just the motion capture being clunky
@@Charon510 thank you i thought it was same thing. I just wanted to confirm i wasnt crazy.
This makes me so happy you can actually save Josh!
Why is nobody talking about that final scene with Sam?
Josh is better.
Josh, you deserve to be saved 🥺
why is nobody talking about the sam scene at the end wtf
a possible sequel 🥰
Half the comment section is talking about it, you need to take your medication Josh, you’re hallucinating.
i always thought it was unfair that josh never got a good ending, im happy they added this!