MTG Player Tries To Guess How Good Digimon Cards Are w/
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- Digimon TH-camr Agito joins the show trying to test me with Digimon Cards!
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Just Wanted to say Thank you to TheOneJame for having me on the channel, it's always great to spread the love of Card Games around and if you are interested in learning more about Digimon, check out your locals and ask if they have a night for Digimon, most players are happy to bring you into the game even if your just Curious.
It was awesome having you!!
My local place does Thursday mornings only for digimon :S
@@weckar can honestly say, i've never heard of a morning locals event, but it's always good to have a space
I’ve never played digimon but as a game designer, the memory system sounds incredibly well designed.
It’s a built in negative feedback loop where the player going first essentially only has a maximum of 10 of this resource, and if the starting player uses that much of it, the following player gets that much more on their turn. That’s really cool actually.
I think the best way to explain how evolution works in the digimon to a Yugioh player is that almost all creatures in this game are zoodiac monsters for other creatures within their color. If I have a level 4 blue creature I can evolve, or “special summon” it, into a level 5 blue creature paying the cost. I can do the same with that blue level 5 into a blue level 6.
If I were to “normal summon” aka play the creature from my hand however I would use the play cost instead of the evolution cost, which is usually higher.
Of course there are exceptions to the color rule. Some creatures can ignore color and go on top of a creature with a specific name for lore reasons.
imagine you drew a card when you summoned a zoo lmao
Still watching but Mega Digimon Fusion was the worst card to start with (without knowing the rules):
• Costs 0 so no context on memory costs
• And the effect itself is cheating on memory, so again, no context
• Nevermind that no Digimon has been shown yet
• White option so you need to know the color requirements and guess that it's hard to have white
I choose to do MDF first just because it's the only Banned card, and i wanted to set the tone for the following cards. all your points are valid, i just don't know if being #5 would have made it easier to evaluate
@@AgitoSwiftly Probably, yes, because you could've explained each rule progressively. Or even something like #3, after cards with normal memory costs had been evaluated, to then introduce the subversion.
Coming from Magic I can see what you mean but at the same time this type of mana-cheating effects ALWAYS find a place once the right creature is there for it to be abused.
Minor point: a living card game refers to a non-randomized sales strategy, not a lack of ban rotations.
So Exploding Kittens is LCG?
great to also see some digimon content on the channel. Digimon is a game that works very different from a lot of other card games, which is why I think it would have benefitted from a slightly longer introduction into the mechanics of the game because I feel like the card evaluations did suffer a bit from ssome lack of contect. For the individual cards:
Blinding Ray is an absolutely insane card and the only reason it doesnt see more play is the colour that its in. Yellow is all about manipulating your own security and while there are some decks that use their life offensively most of them actually do the opposite. Most Mono Yellow decks are slow control decks that are able to tutor from their security and decreasing it hinders that gameplan. But whenever an aggro or combo deck appears that contains a splash of yellow this card is a staple because its drawback is irrelevant if you win the game on the turn you use it.
Apocalymon is obviously broken but in a digimon context it becomes even more sinister. Milling is incredibly powerful in digimon because you are forced to draw for every digivolution. That means everytime you advance your own gameplan you are also benefitting the mill deck. Apocaly had access to some ridiculous on play effects that it could tollbox from, including becoming immune to card effects, locking you out of digivolving or preventing you from attacking, while milling out 8-10 cards every turn. If you did not have an immedeate answer to the first apocaly you would usually loose 30 cards within 2 turns and even if you did they could always just drop another one the next turn because the deck was that consitstent at finding its pieces.
Magnaangemons strengths also go much deeper. If a digimons DP are reduced to 0 it will be destroyed by game mechanics, which makes -DP one of the most powerful forms of removal in the game because there are almost no way to protect yourself from it. Also when a digimon attacks into the security and flips another digimon card those 2 cards battle and if the attacker is lower it will be destroyed, so even if you attack the player the blast evolve can be very dangerous. Its home deck Security Control has also become infamous across the player base because it is allowed to bend the rules of the game like no other. The deck is basicly 50% cards that allow you to increase your security and 50% high power removal spells that activate when checked in security and its only goal is too keep stacking these to clear the board until the opponent looses to deckout. Because option cards activate their security efffects even if you dont have the appropriate colours on the board they can also cherry pick their removal spells from every colour in the game
At least Apoclamon lives up to the name. What's worse than a big anime boss monster that flops as a card?
*side-eyes to Yu-Gi-Oh*
I like how the punctuation in "[start of effect] *full stop* THEN, [rest of effect]" is important, but the meaning is the complete opposite of what the exact same sentence would mean in YugiOh, where the punctuation and wording is equally important
I don't see myself ever playing either CCG, but YuGi takes the cake for insanely obtuse explanations of the card mechanics. Not being familiar with either game, the Digimon cards at least seem reasonable to understand.
@@fredwin I thought that too before playing it, I started playing because Master Duel was free and I figured why not try it.
Most of the carricature critiques that people who don't play the game have do apply, but in some ways the complexity is also what makes the game fun
I was really surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Is it busted? I mean yes, but it's kind of fun. And in terms of complexity (and even amount of words on a card) when I look at some modern magic cards the difference is not that much.
They're different games, and they have different histories, but there is genuinely a fun game to be found underneath the mess, I don't know to each their own I'd play all of them if I had the time and money
Oh hell yeah love these flip flopped ones with you on the other side, im totally unfamiliar with digimon too
Hope you like it!
@@TheOneJameYT I'd love to see you do more Digimon ones! Are they in the works, by any chance?
@@AnonYmous69271 no more Digimon in the works at the moment!
@@TheOneJameYT I'd love to see some more at some point!
@@AnonYmous69271 i'm always down for more, maybe Jame would like to do an Introduction to Digimon Series
26:33 To further expand on this point, the pizza man(refer to regular alt art) was so good in JP that BT15 was preemptively given a ban/limited hit before it released internationally, due to how the release lineup is currently, (currently waiting for BT16 while EX6 and BT17 are currently available in JP, with EX7 being leaked). Giving international players the rest of Feb. to play with full power Apocaly before getting nerfed, granted this sorta gets offset by BT17, since it’s a set that that is based on the Digimon Movies, in Apocaly’s case it’s the stuff from Tamers’ first movie.
33:21 expanding on how Blast digivolving works, the counter timing does occurs before declaring blockers
Glad to see you cover Digimon, but I think the choices were done poorly. Starting with MDF is probably the worst choice, and the alternate arts were not good choices for showcasing.
Agree on this one. I think they should have started with digimon with some main or digivolution effects and an inheritable effect. That way we can familiarize first how the game mechanic works. Maybe start with Veemon or Terriermon first. Then, you can hit them with more complicated effects.
@@alvinables8730 And also you could hit them with different ID numbers so he can see how you could have different versions of the same Digimon, which I don't know if it was mentioned.
@@GunbladeKnight True, since that may open the floodgates for a curveball like EX1 Machindra(with a side by side of the original and corrected text versions to show how that gave the machine chimera a powerful standing in its own deck)
43:00 I have the exact same issue with DragonBall Fusion World, except there, it's intentional. Some cards say something like: "Add up to 1 cards from your life to your drop(GY). Then, choose 1 of your opponent's Battle Cards with a cost of 5 or less and return it to it's owner's hand." Others say "Add up to 1 card from your life to your drop: Then, choose...." The colon is what makes it mandatory.
I don't think I have even the basic grasp of the Digimon mechanics after this but it was fun regardless haha
I'll be honest, dude did a horrible job describing stuff lol
Honestly I feel like these cards were really bad choices. They were all way too obvious if they were good or bad, and I feel like Agito didn't adequately explain several game mechanics or WHY the cards were good. For example, he didn't even mention that the main reason why Apocalymon is limited to 1 is because it lets you mill your opponent for over 20 cards in one turn.
I think some trickier cards for him to guess would have been stuff like Giga Death, BanchoStingmon, Tommy, Ukkomon, BT7 Dorugreymon, Shoutmon X4, and JetSilphymon, just to name a few.
"we have Agito Agitooo"
good to see a fellow brainrotted soldier in here
Reflexively replied “agitooooo”
As someone who plays yugioh, mtg, and digimon: digivolution is mutate (but only over and only the secondary textbox unless stated otherwiseby an effect), and dna digivolution is Xyz Summoning.
This was pretty interesting glimpse at an unfamiliar game. The memory mechanic is pretty intriguing. I’m curious to watch a game now to see how that dynamic plays out for real.
I love your videos, and I'm excited to see one repping both of the tcgs I play consistently
Edit: okay it's immediately obvious that Agito needs to explain the rules first. It's very hard to evaluate anything without knowing the basic rules in any game
I would love to see more content like this with digimon. There were a couple people who did this atyle of video woth it a year back and then its been silent until now. Id love to see a round 2 or 3 of this theres tons of different types of cards you didnt take a peak at
I'll be honest I checked out on every explanation during MDF lmao
Reading the other comments feels like it's the equivalent of showing Super Poly to a non-yugioh player
Honestly blinding ray just gets better the longer it's around. It's kinda crazy to call it mid
I respect that Digimon genuinely feels different from other offerings in the TCG space, rather than playing too much like any of the big three. The memory system is an excellent core mechanic with interesting push and pull, and the “mutate stack” being a core mechanic is neat as well. From the few games I played, it was quite a lot to track, but I found enough strategic depth to understand why the community has remained so tenacious.
A small example of how memory adds to the dynamic is the concept of “memory hosing”. When you overspend memory, it ends your turn and your opponent starts with the amount of memory you overspend, but if you end at exactly 0 the memory is set to 3. So you can tactically overspend by exactly 1 or 2 memory, starving your opponent out of resources. I hear that most good Tamer cards make this concept irrelevant (they set your memory to 3 regardless) but in unrefined decks or early board states it’s an interesting kind of interaction.
Been missing ya, also I m glad u have a Digimon guest finally.
U used to play Pokemon? What format
Sun and Moon!
9:51 I don't know a single format rare candy is banned. And I can't imagine the current rare candy ever getting banned. Maybe the gen 3 ver, but not the one we have now.
As a Yugioh player, these videos are interesting introductions into card games I've never played.
Good to hear!
Digimon is super fun I would recommend people playing it. It’s a relatively cheap card game.
I enjoyed the episode maybe a few more bad digimon cards would be fun to the next time.
I think it'd be pretty fun if you could get in contact with Espira and do something like this for the Dragon Ball Super Card Game (Masters). Metas in that game got pretty wild and freaky at certain points.
Never played digimon, saw some of the cards as a kid but never played. Lots of fun to guess along with Jame about whether the cards are good
Happy you enjoyed it!
thanks for this kind of content, watched tasty's series a year ago and i've been craving for more since then
The combat for Digimon reminds me of Hearthstone
you should try and do a guessing how good vanguard cards are too 👀
That’s on my list 👀
Kind of a weird episode. I get wanting to show the cool and flashy cards but imo this content is better when there's a progressive understanding of the game from the person guessing and also when the ratio isn't SO skewed in favour of "good" cards. The worst card in here is just mid. My experience with Digimon is fairly limited but you can't really judge how the game actually plays from this video, Angemon is just about the only "normal" card here. Showing the restricted Gabumon and Garurumon instead is, imo, more interesting than showing the busted payoff.
I like the guest's voice but his explanations could use some work, he's probably not very experienced with those videos so I'm confident it'd go better if/when there's a second episode.
the biggest issue for Digimon is, what is a bad card? Digimon has for the most part no "bad cards" some have gotten better versions but doesn't make the original card bad just power crept, even some Vanilla's in Digimon are considered good, give it a few more years and we might start seeing more pack fillers but it's nice to play a game where for the most part, every card is playable and has a use (even if it means its not used)
@@AgitoSwiftly That's a fair way to look at it but I don't personally agree. I think this should be based entirely on competitive viability.
I don't know enough about the game to point out what I'd call as actually bad cards but the game has a few thousands already and I'd be very surprised if those were all above average.
12:05 In early Hearthstone there was Innervate a Druid card that was 0 mana gain 2 mana for one turn. It was strong but because card advantage was very important in early Hearthstone and combos weren't as busted it wasn't broken. Later it started to become a problem and they nerfed it to 0 mana gain 1 mana - same as a coin but with a nature tag.
There's also Horn of Winter a death knight card that costs 0 mana and refreshes 2 of your spent mana crystals. But it's not as strong because it doesn't let you play big cards sooner.
Both are in the core set.
I think its worth saying just how broken Apocalymon was. Purple decks at the time were aboe to consistenrly get 3 of the dark masters in trash by turn 2 so at that point youre playing this, tucking a 4th level 6 and milling 8 cards from your opponents 50 card deck(-10 for hand and security plus any drawing they did so theyre sub 30). The cards you could tuck for the end of turn effect just had to be level 6. So players found every level 6 with a strong on play effect and teched those in too. Leading to cards that could protect apocaly or cards that floodgated your opponents for the turn. So if they cant remove it they get another one of those effects AND the ability to mill more cards. The worst part? If you use a kill spell to take out the apocaly, the sources go to the trash too, meaning if they had another in hand they just replay it.
Japanese players were consistently expressing notions of quitting because the deck was so toxic. To the point where Bandai had to preemptively limit it to 1 before the set came out in english, leading to a MASSIVE tank in sales numbers for people buying that set over here. In digimon box rates are set at 1 alternate art card and a slot that could either be an alt art or a secret rare. So buying a box of this set meant one of your 2 major hits could be a card thats limited to one. It is by far the biggest mistake Bandai has ever printed.
The truely broken part about apocaly despite all that was that it was end of **your** turn. If it was End of Opp this card would never have been banned. Its the fact that the card is wholely uninteractable and you never have to care if he dies next turn. He has already won you the game and surviving is just a win harder.
But otherwise great summarization of the Apocalymon situation
Digimon is one of those card games along with Force of Will that I've been interested in for awhile but I've got way to many other card games on my plate.
Love Digimon! Hope you do more of these in the future :)
Would like to see more digimon 😁
Digimon best game let's goooo!
blinding ray reminds me of Mana crypt. 0 mana get 2 mana but mana crypt has a 50% chance of dealing 15% of of your life
Man, I need a Digimon TCG simulator, I can't play paper.
I know there's Project Drasil, but that is the Ygopro of digimon. I need the spice of something like Duel Links. (That and I'd prefer some PvE to exist, I don't really like PvP).
I think there is an ACE with blocker, but am unsure
Wargreymon ace is blocker
14:21 Wait what card? Can’t tell what you said and it just sounds like “ulti-mate” which obviously doesn’t go anywhere when looking it up
"Cultivate"
@@NovaSaber Okay yeah that makes more sense, ty
And I thought yugioh was the hardest game I think digimon takes the cake
I would like to see you evaluate Flesh and Blood cards! 😊
Deal
I've been waiting for a new video to drop so I can say that I got out of the hospital, and I'm "fine" now!
I was still for so long that I'm not very used to moving around, but that will pass.
Very happy you’re fine now!!
Ive never played digimon and i havent even finished the video yet but im still gonna make fun of you and your assessment of the cards are wrong
agitooooo
I tried to watch all the way through, there was way to much to take in
It’s a lot of information for sure lol
30÷5=7
I say this trying my best to not be rude. This person said several things that were outright wrong or very misleading. I dont feel he was a good person to use for this kind of game and I wouldnt invite him back.