Are Vintage Pedals Actually Better Than New Pedals?

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  • @Aarbud
    @Aarbud 4 ปีที่แล้ว +807

    In this episode; Josh convincing people to stop buying vintage pedals so he can finally collect them all.

    • @joseislanio8910
      @joseislanio8910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol

    • @酷糖音乐
      @酷糖音乐 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol

    • @jackbinkleymusic
      @jackbinkleymusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol

    • @ianbeaupre5838
      @ianbeaupre5838 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha, trying to use his “influencer” status for good! :p

    • @alanthorne3921
      @alanthorne3921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That Joe guy has bought all the vintage guitars and amps.So what’s left?Vintage pedals!I will stick to vintage picks.

  • @jefffletcher2614
    @jefffletcher2614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +700

    “You complained about this for 30 years so they changed it, and now you don’t like it.” Should be a t-shirt. Admittedly a very large t-shirt but still.

    • @hullblackwell
      @hullblackwell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Roland/Boss are you hearing this? do the shirt!

    • @SoundsLikeSandy
      @SoundsLikeSandy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'd buy one!

    • @nclsrfn
      @nclsrfn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol i'd buy 3 of them

    • @brianpriest3638
      @brianpriest3638 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’d buy one. I’d probably buy the hoodie too.

    • @charlesford8692
      @charlesford8692 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      RIP

  • @dancrowe7860
    @dancrowe7860 4 ปีที่แล้ว +562

    Finally, a JHS episode that should have a deflationary effect on pedal prices. Suck it, Reverb!

    • @Kyrieru
      @Kyrieru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      *price of all new pedals rises*

    • @Relayer6a
      @Relayer6a 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Actually the one thing the vintage pedals (etc.) have over the new ones is they not only hold their value but typically increase in value. Someone could sit down and A/B a 1959 Les Paul with a 60th anniversary R9. We might find that the new guitar is actually better because the components are brand new and the custom shop has tighter manufacturing tolerances than Gibson did in 1959. They didn't have plek machines back then, for example. Magnets degrade, and so on. But you know what? That '59 burst is still worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and if you play it right will make you a lot of money. The new R9 will hold its value better than a Gibson USA guitar and might even inflate some (Which is never taken into consideration on the internet.). But there are people who have profited 6 digits on "Bursts".
      Prime examples of vintage things are actually worth what they cost IN THE LONG RUN.

    • @Relayer6a
      @Relayer6a 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jsullivan2112 It's not because people are dumb. It's smart to realize the true "value" of something.
      Just think about how many vintage pedals Josh owns. Is he dumb for buying them? He even "saves the box". Does that make his vintage pedal sound better, no. But that has value too. Just like swing tags, owners manuals original warranty cards, etc... The sooner some people realize that and stop trying to fight it, the less dumb they'll be.
      Josh is an engineer. And he makes a living selling new pedals. Realize his perspective when watching. And that's not a knock on Josh. I think he's awesome. But it's as much of a fact as anything else in the video.

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don’t worry, they’ll probably raise their rates to compensate.

    • @archie3k433
      @archie3k433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Why? Let the suckers pay too much. If they're that dense, it's on them.

  • @rhabdob3895
    @rhabdob3895 4 ปีที่แล้ว +450

    When I was younger, my dad called his vintage gear his “old broken shit.”

    • @pedroleal7118
      @pedroleal7118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Exact! Then it became, 'vintage'.

    • @patrickrosington1174
      @patrickrosington1174 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@pedroleal7118 it became vintage when people wanted to sell their old broken shit and said. Oh. Let's call it vintage and trick people

    • @vikingbluesbreaker729
      @vikingbluesbreaker729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeah I inherited a box of old broken shit when I got my first electric. A ts-808, a big muff rams head, a vox wah, a fuzz face, a tape echo and a few other randoms. I literally can’t put them on my board because they are not reliable and make stupid noises. It’s funny everyone will run to get the newest phone because the slightest different tech, but out guitar equipment…

    • @bensch8604
      @bensch8604 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      shitty is the new cool

    • @thurston7425
      @thurston7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@vikingbluesbreaker729 you got my dream pedals

  • @MechMK1
    @MechMK1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +270

    Okay first of all, the chip in my TS was made by Johan on a Tuesday afternoon, right after a delayed lunchbreak. I can clearly hear how the rushed eating of Johan affects the high-end of the tone, and gives it an overall warmer and more pleasant tone than all the other chips.

    • @MarcBarkyMarta
      @MarcBarkyMarta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      You must be looking at the wrong pedal. It wasn't Johan; it was Yoshio. Besides, everyone knows Yoshio's sweat from running back to the Maxon factory from break makes the pedal more transparent. Tone is in the fingers, man.

    • @TR-zf6io
      @TR-zf6io 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@MarcBarkyMarta NO NO NO!!! You are BOTH wrong. CLEARLY a full stomach causes Johan cramps, which makes his solders rushed, which causes the top end to be shrill and ice picky. And Yoshio's sweat dripping on the circuitry adds bite and grit to the TS's he made AFTER the break.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That sounds haha loony - but it's not far from how it goes whenever you encounter a random Les Paul.
      Some days they're lucky to spend ten minutes inspecting and finishing one, other days someone might take an hour.
      And when it's in a store, at that point _who the hell knows why?_

  • @RiffsAndBeards
    @RiffsAndBeards 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1688

    Man all the old vintage pedals I have ever had have noise issues, volume drops, worn out pots. etc. Gimmie the new guy all day.

    • @StatusMusicDesign
      @StatusMusicDesign 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yyyyup

    • @baronvonsuckitable
      @baronvonsuckitable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Or just learn to solder

    • @GearStuffandThings
      @GearStuffandThings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      New Pedals are built more consistently. Better quality control

    • @Ottophil
      @Ottophil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      Michael Howard do you know who you are replying to? He can solder just fine. Ive seen it

    • @baronvonsuckitable
      @baronvonsuckitable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Ottophil Yea, I've clicked on a couple of his vids over the years. Never made it more than 2-3 minutes in though.

  • @metalzonemt-2
    @metalzonemt-2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +505

    British pedals don't have chips, they have crisps.

    • @hullblackwell
      @hullblackwell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      American pedals don't have chips, they have fries...........................................sorry had to!

    • @nachobassman
      @nachobassman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And don't forget the fish...

    • @monkeypoo47
      @monkeypoo47 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And the malt vinegar...

    • @dominikf.zsindely851
      @dominikf.zsindely851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Best comment of the week

    • @SD_UK
      @SD_UK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@nachobassman Never forget the fish. Don't ask me how I know ..

  • @notzech
    @notzech 4 ปีที่แล้ว +393

    Josh- "you can't do a shootout by setting both pedals to noon"
    Andertons and That Pedal Show- "Surprised Pikachu face"

    • @melvoid01
      @melvoid01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      This is so spot on, Josh dropping truth bombs all over the map.

    • @surfmac211
      @surfmac211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Difference between pedal builders and sellers.

    • @impo64
      @impo64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      As much as Dan and Mick seem like super cool dudes and the show is great, they're the most guilty of the cork sniffing problem I see in the guitar community lol.

    • @mariodriessen9740
      @mariodriessen9740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Another Person ; But tell me, when did they ever do a comparison video like this one though? The only one I remember is the one where they compared reissues of some pedals in smaller enclosures (not their best episode imho). There's a reason why they usually don't do comparison video's, because they agree with you on that point. And I do too. And yes, they do sniff some corks every now and then, but in the end you can make up your own mind. 😊

    • @matttunne2709
      @matttunne2709 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @RhettShull
    @RhettShull 4 ปีที่แล้ว +358

    Ok hear me out, let’s collaborate on an Apollo 13 overdrive. It’ll be a bluesbreaker, but will only work on the first 1/3 of your gig then you have to figure out how to get it and the rest of your pedalboard home safely.

    • @sonidojamon
      @sonidojamon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And a cardboard and duck tape KIT to fix it!!

    • @jiggersotoole7823
      @jiggersotoole7823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It'll only work on the moon!

    • @dlemon90
      @dlemon90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes and you’ll have to do some super sketchy wiring, and hook up to the power supply from the pedal before it to power up the Apollo 13 pedal for the last 2/3 of the gig

    • @silvamorphisphaeble7863
      @silvamorphisphaeble7863 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Militarily (Astronautically) Adapt, Improvise, Overcome.... To complete the mission ❕👊🎸🤟🎼🌒

    • @blacktoothfox677
      @blacktoothfox677 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      good to see you here Rhett, love your channel, and the collabs with 5 watt world!

  • @alexcampos7953
    @alexcampos7953 4 ปีที่แล้ว +383

    I love how rockers went from being revolutionaries searching for new crazy sounds to faith worshipers trying to imitate the same old tones... I can only imagine Hendrix playing with something like a wampler terraform or a rainbow machine....

    • @MrStupidHead
      @MrStupidHead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      by favorite example was how the Beatles wanted the fender silverface, not the 'old' blackface junk.when the new Let it Be movie comes out, I expect to see lots of silver face fender.

    • @JosePineda-jn8jk
      @JosePineda-jn8jk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I’m gonna be honest, I think people are still looking for the shortcut to make them sound like the guitar player they want to be. So it’s really easy to blame it on the gear and equipment, especially when it’s old and hard to find so that is the “reason” you don’t sound as good as you want to 🤦🏽‍♂️ lol.

    • @tds2117
      @tds2117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He might have been awful with them.

    • @gordonhuskin7337
      @gordonhuskin7337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@MrStupidHead well those 1968 "silverface" amps had identical guts of the 'old blackface junk' LMFAO

    • @chrisparker5278
      @chrisparker5278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      If Hendrix was around today, he would play Axe FX

  • @gimmickmusic8827
    @gimmickmusic8827 4 ปีที่แล้ว +525

    This kind of reminds me of an old joke.
    How many blues guitarist does it take to change a lightbulb?
    17, one to change the bulb and 16 to complain about how the old bulb was better.

    • @MrApprobatur
      @MrApprobatur 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      Old joke? As in the version you're telling now is a reissue?

    • @peterhopqk
      @peterhopqk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Never heard about it, but good one.

    • @terrywitzu7874
      @terrywitzu7874 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The way I heard it was, "It takes 16 to say they could have done it better." Lol.

    • @benmtz
      @benmtz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Loool MADE MY DAY !!! 😂

    • @OldTeaMate
      @OldTeaMate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @cc c, maybe the old chip, bumblebee cap's, light, fog, trace of time, mist and just old ones are the best ones ... ask granny,- she'll know ...

  • @zachshipstead5247
    @zachshipstead5247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    "This is not Apollo 11, this is an overdrive" Quote of the week.

    • @fawkesandhound
      @fawkesandhound 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wampler Terraformer probably has more processing power, than the Apollo crafts right?

    • @DRChevalier
      @DRChevalier 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fawkes & Hound an Apple Watch has more processing power than the Apollo 11 full kit

    • @bubbahotep5439
      @bubbahotep5439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This must become the next JHS T-shirt!!

    • @zachshipstead5247
      @zachshipstead5247 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bubbahotep5439 I'd buy it

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fawkes & Hound Probably. Arguments can be made that USB-C chargers have more processing power than the Apollo navigation computer www.theverge.com/tldr/2020/2/11/21133119/usb-c-anker-charger-apollo-11-moon-landing-guidance-computer-more-powerful

  • @Pietruss
    @Pietruss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    "massage the knobs" should be on a t-shirt

  • @pvgaming8243
    @pvgaming8243 4 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I'm just glad these companies are re-releasing these pedals so that normal people can still afford them, unlike some boutique pedal manufacturers.

    • @lemonpug6582
      @lemonpug6582 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Idk what I’d do with myself if I couldn’t afford a tubescreamer lmao

  • @mathieupelletier4392
    @mathieupelletier4392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Josh has always amazed me about how honest he is. He never tries to oversell his product and he has a serious respect of the other builders in the industry. He's basically just a gear nerd like most of us. Major respect to that! JHS is awesome!

  • @thefandalorian7026
    @thefandalorian7026 4 ปีที่แล้ว +321

    I see your game Josh, convince us that the reissues are "just as good" so we will buy them instead of the vintage originals. That way you can have the vintage/used market all to yourself!! Have you no shame sir!!

    • @dannyllerenatv8635
      @dannyllerenatv8635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      He's pretty much already 90% of the way there to owning all the vintage pedals!

    • @DreyAndersson
      @DreyAndersson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      LOL he probably already owns like 95% of all the vintage pedals

    • @bud9269
      @bud9269 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He probably owns like 95.5% of the vintage pedals.

    • @bryantwalley
      @bryantwalley 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He probably owns like 95.51% of the vintage pedals.

    • @JackTheFunk
      @JackTheFunk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He probably owns like 95.5101% of the vintage pedals.

  • @MajicFreeman
    @MajicFreeman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Omg, the tube screamer segment had me rolling.
    "When he talked about remembering a vintage tube screamer 40 years ago at a bar in Des Moines, Iowa I was lol'n. We have to face as a society we can't even remember what we had for breakfast on monday."
    i've been watching for a while and this is about the hardest i've ever laughed.

    • @teemusid
      @teemusid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hah! My weekday breakfasts and lunches are the same everyday, unless I'm not working.

    • @MajicFreeman
      @MajicFreeman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@teemusid Yah, but still. Can you even remember them? hahah

    • @johnsolis7631
      @johnsolis7631 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      iowa? that says it all, good nite.

    • @aarondavis5850
      @aarondavis5850 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have to wonder - did it sound better back then because their hearing wasn’t fried yet?

    • @brian770
      @brian770 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@teemusid ya but the toast from back in 83 was so much better.......they dont make bread like that anymore.

  • @vaggelou_
    @vaggelou_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "This is not Apollo 11, this is an overdrive pedal".
    The best quote I heard in a long time! Also, a good idea for a t-shirt!

    • @zaraak323i
      @zaraak323i 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I suddenly have the urge to build an overdrive pedal in the shape of the Apollo 11!

  • @mikeirelan
    @mikeirelan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    "But...but....what about the '60s, '70s, and '80s dust and rust that adds 'mojo'?" ;)
    I was listening, not watching for part of it, and could not tell when you were switching. That says it all.

  • @ZigbertD
    @ZigbertD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I'm not sure why having the exact sound of a specific vintage pedal is even so important to begin with. I love fiddling with guitar tones, so I get that, but I don't really want to exactly replicate some sound I heard (insert famous great guitarist) get. I can get close if I want, but there's always the pesky issue of it being me playing, not (insert famous great guitarist). If you can't play something that sounds good to you on virtually ANY budget, you need to focus on practicing and writing better songs.

    • @gainonten4031
      @gainonten4031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thank youuuuu !! so true OMG, thats why I'm staying away from modellers and big pedalboards. I'll just make my gear work.

  • @wombat6
    @wombat6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    For everyone who does indeed think "but the chip", Wampler's channel has a great video where he switches out a whole bunch of chips in a typical tube screamer circuit, and it makes no audible difference. Watch it !

    • @JoeBaermann
      @JoeBaermann 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly, it takes a tad more than just switching the chip on a TS to change it's sound

  • @andreacampana4754
    @andreacampana4754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The component tolerance stuff is the most intelligent thing I heard over TH-cam ever since. Thanks Mr. JHS!

  • @Cleath78
    @Cleath78 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I think a really cool video idea would be to actually take two identical pedals straight off the line, set all the knobs at noon, and see how different they are.

  • @fivelinus432
    @fivelinus432 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Been reviewing fuzz pedal options , discovered you and jhs and was so impressed took the plunge and cruised up to the G center and ordered the series 3 fuzz. Arrives at the end of the week and can't wait. Just really enjoyed watching your channel and wanted to support you guys after teaching me so much history. Proudest 99.00 I've ever spent. Rock n roll buddy

    • @jonpatchmodular
      @jonpatchmodular 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got one. I had to pay 130 euros and it was on offer, they normally go for 150 bucks here in Europe because of importing and what not. I still love my 3 series fuzz dearly, might even be my favourite pedal I own. Also quite proud of rocking the massive JHS sticker on my modular synth.
      (Now I need to save up for the octave reverb, it sounded like an ideal ambient reverb)

  • @AlbertoMartinezDelRio
    @AlbertoMartinezDelRio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Josh breaking down the walls of psychological deafness.

    • @valentino3191
      @valentino3191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That is perhaps THE best description I've ever seen in writing about what I refer to as "vintage disease"

    • @AlbertoMartinezDelRio
      @AlbertoMartinezDelRio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@valentino3191 Thank you

  • @RGChandler
    @RGChandler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    People who think vintage pedals sound better are either-
    a: People currently trying to sell a vintage pedal for top money.
    2: People suckered by those people.

    • @timchalmers1700
      @timchalmers1700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      d. People whose tinnitus is so bad that they can't hear anymore.

    • @OzziePete1
      @OzziePete1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just look around the people you work with or the people you socialise with. MANY will have something they bought & they swear, despite some people's reservations that THEIR'S is a good one. No one buys a bad model or a vintage pedal that can easily be reissued, right? (Purchase Validation)

    • @AnodyneHipsterInfluencer
      @AnodyneHipsterInfluencer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's often but not always right.

    • @timscarrow9151
      @timscarrow9151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@timchalmers1700 I have tinnitus in my left ear I actually hear a different pitch in each ear it sucks tuning by ear but it makes me pay pretty close attention to know what I am hearing as opposed to what I think I hear. There are variations in the parts they don't make them the same. So it does the same thing just like an old '59 les paul, sounds just like a new one right? I found a 1981 JRC4558 and made a tube screamer, I found some 1966 germanium transistors and built a tone bender and a rangemaster., no big investment. just old stuff lying around. I'm happy they are original "magic" parts.

  • @jasonlamson2543
    @jasonlamson2543 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I actually did this a week ago. A friend of mine got a vintage ehx Dr. Q. And I liked it so much I bought a Dr Q nano. We did a side by side, and once I figured out the switch on the nano is opposite the switch on the vintage, the difference was less than 10%. The old one sounded slightly warmer, but it was negligible in a band scenario. I'm pretty damn impressed by ehx.
    Ps. Bought the 3 series reverb, it's awesome! Thank you!

    • @DreyAndersson
      @DreyAndersson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Now imagine you use the new nano and put an EQ-Pedal behind it to filter out some higher frequencies to make it more "warmer" .... don't tell anyone lol ! :D

    • @Rokios
      @Rokios 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love my Doctor Q nano tbh

  • @RonaldOlszewski
    @RonaldOlszewski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    God I love this channel. Any time someone debunks "accepted wisdom" using empirical data it makes me happy. The audiophile world is filled with so much snake oil and baloney and it drives me crazy. I'm old enough to have bought an original RAT back in the 80s when I was a teenager, and I'll be the first to admit that I can't tell the new RAT from mine, sound-wise.

  • @gregjeanfreau8027
    @gregjeanfreau8027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I am completely addicted to this channel. So informative and fun!

  • @viktornordstrom1685
    @viktornordstrom1685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I absolutely loved this episode!!! I really agree on stop obsessing about expensive gear and start making music...and brothers in arms absolutely rules!

  • @edgarlee2802
    @edgarlee2802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    In forty years time those new pedals are going to sound fantastic!

  • @bipbipletucha
    @bipbipletucha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Thank you for the wisdom about the knob tweaking and component tolerances

    • @AprioriMarcos
      @AprioriMarcos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Seriously. Thank you for speaking this important, simple truth, Josh.

  • @Um_im_ryan
    @Um_im_ryan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    “The box is bigger so the circuit is bigger” that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, everyone know that if the box is bigger the tone is bigger and that’s what makes it better

  • @SMAAAASHTV
    @SMAAAASHTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love Brothers in Arms and when I was really young (like 4 or 5) I used to listen to it so much that my mom got me a walkman and recorded it onto a cassette tape. Money for Nothing is what made me want to play guitar from the first time I heard it.

  • @sylvestre.rawminey
    @sylvestre.rawminey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When I went to a store to test the Electric Mistress reissue, after a few seconds, I was so happy to get the same feelings as in 1981 with my old EM. And now, I’m a lot happier than yesterday, because of the reliability !
    Just the same with the Waza Chorus : Wow ! I have the same kinda sounds as the old days !!!

    • @lemonpug6582
      @lemonpug6582 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Electro Harmonix has earned my business for life with the way they craft their pedals and handle reissues

  • @federicosanchez5168
    @federicosanchez5168 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Best episode ever!!! You should try to make a reissue of this show. It won't ve as good as the original...but you never know

  • @thirdwavefinance8154
    @thirdwavefinance8154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    Josh: “chip isn’t that important”
    Everyone named Chip: ☹️

  • @mikerichardson7261
    @mikerichardson7261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Many circuit components have a 10% to 20% tolerance, meaning even two consecutive pedals (guitars, amps, etc.) can sound quite different. The 500k pot in your guitar could measure anywhere from 400k to 600k. If your guitar is a little dull, measure your pot(s). A new pot is way cheaper than a new pickup.

    • @Ottophil
      @Ottophil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Its not just pedals. All circuits have this tolerance. Military grade parts have tighter specs, but people forget sometimes those “magic sounding” pedals are on the edges of the tolerance stack. Modern in circuit testing might make them more consistent, but those freak accident holy grails will be less likely. Every guitarist should own a multimeter and know ohms law at a minimum. I ended up with an associates degree in my hunt for tone

    • @bryantwalley
      @bryantwalley 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah. like he said in the video. 3:45

    • @bryantwalley
      @bryantwalley 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ottophil So true. The golden pedals are always the ones that have parts on the edge or even out of tolerance. Back in the day, they only checked to see if the part worked. They trusted the component manufacturer to make sure they were in spec.

    • @DreyAndersson
      @DreyAndersson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      True!

    • @bishopsurf
      @bishopsurf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely! Replaced my 90's Fender Tele switchplate with a sigler and va-voom ! More Loud!

  • @michelmoe
    @michelmoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "you have to massage the knobs a little bit..." man, that's a lesson most people need to learn. FOR LIFE! =D

  • @michaelkay611
    @michaelkay611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great episode. I think one of the things we don't consider enough is audio fidelity. Because of quality control all along the chain, I think the audio fidelity of many reissues is a little higher. This is true with guitar amps, stereo equipment and recording equipment, too (I'm not talking about software compression, though - that's a different beast). The question is whether audio fidelity is what we want. The mojo we sometimes hear may be a lack of it, that kind of warm goodness you remember from your grandparents Marantz integrated amp in the wooden cabinet. A lot depends on what kind of thing you want to hear, what you like to play, etc. Maybe the slight volume drop and distortion of an old phaser just takes you into a zone and the newer one, with no volume drop, more precise modulation, and less frequency roll-off sounds weird because it isn't like that favorite record. The question of better is really subjective.

  • @agoddamndelight3278
    @agoddamndelight3278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I love his, "you heard them, shut up" attitude, hahahaha. So good.

  • @nickguiffrida566
    @nickguiffrida566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    The best way to watch these is to scroll away so you can't see any switching and can only use your ears to hear a difference. I'm totally guilty of listening with my eyes in videos like this lol

    • @MrDrTheJniac
      @MrDrTheJniac 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nice to see a guy willing to admit that he does not possess magic bias-proof ears. You would not believe how many times I have tried to explain the realities of human perception to someone who thinks that they can hear a difference between two pieces of gear that are audibly transparent.

    • @fredstevens799
      @fredstevens799 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was watching closely and still couldn't detect a difference in sound!

    • @jamesunderhill1603
      @jamesunderhill1603 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's exactly what I did, no difference at all. Good call.

    • @poetryofbeing
      @poetryofbeing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I looked at some and i didn't look at others...some were a touch brighter or darker, but i couldn't tell you which one and it wasn't consistent. Moral of the story...maybe you don't have to spend a bunch if money to sound a certain way, so play what you enjoy.

    • @g2DN2aTYHzNsVR6o
      @g2DN2aTYHzNsVR6o 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wasn't watching on the first one, and he finished the song, and I was like, "Wait, so he's going to play the whole song again on the other pedal?"
      Yeah, these sound identical. The TS-9 was straight-up hilarious.

  • @6dbthreshold
    @6dbthreshold 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Your unbridled aggression and passion is underwhelming. Much like wisdom. Mostly like truth. Thanks for sharing. Another great video.

  • @frankxuereb5422
    @frankxuereb5422 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Calmly and honestly reviews old vintage pedals followed by "Sorry guys I got a little aggressive there", love you man keep up the great work

    • @juanpiantino9182
      @juanpiantino9182 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are we sure he is not from the Pacific Northwest? People here would have told him, "lower your voice, please."

  • @RiledPassenger
    @RiledPassenger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I can't be the only one that subbed immediately after the "He has the box".

  • @joelkupiainen6759
    @joelkupiainen6759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Also people who claim that vintage EHX pedals have "bigger circuits" should probably open up their pedals sometime and have a look inside.
    "Yeah, the dangling parts really make my vintage pedal sound better".

    • @violinmiata
      @violinmiata 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah! My big box EXH chorus pedal has it’s chip floating in space in that big box. The cheap neo clone in the one on my board for obvious reasons 😂

    • @guitarpedaldemos9121
      @guitarpedaldemos9121 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I only claim that they sound awesome to me. Opened the pedals many times.... no problems.

    • @joelkupiainen6759
      @joelkupiainen6759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@guitarpedaldemos9121 Was talking about the fact that the circuits really aren't what anybody could call "big". Rather there are a couple of teeny tiny parts floating around in a huge empty box. They do indeed sound awesome, but I've seen large box ehx pedals go to pieces and "reliable" isn't the word i'd use to describe how that looks.

    • @theelectrodefunhouse4651
      @theelectrodefunhouse4651 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s tone air bro. You obviously messed it up by opening the enclosure to take a peek.

  • @robertbogdan7058
    @robertbogdan7058 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Bigger box pedals give the electrons more room to interact and breathe, emphasising the haunting mids and the underlying toasted wheat underpinnings bouncing around in the crystal lattice. It's a fact Jack. I read it on The Gear Page.
    :^)

    • @MrTylero28
      @MrTylero28 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha!! Yeah that must be it!! I’m gonna make sure all of my friends get this one going! Excellent idea!

  • @frankmchale2877
    @frankmchale2877 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Cork sniffers be stinging over this. I’ve been down the rabbit hole, and what I initially saw as a great collection of pedals I’ve now started to view as clutter!! A recent run out at a local gig with nothing but a Boss Katana, JHS/Boss Angry Driver, Phase 90 (reissue) and an entry level Strat saw me dialling in one of the best live tones I’ve ever had 🤷🏻‍♂️. Truth hurts sometimes !!

  • @ScaloraProductions
    @ScaloraProductions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate you and your channel so much. I’ve been going on TH-cam to view pedal demos and not much more, until some days ago I stumbled upon a demo of yours. I love the way you explain things, your insane level of honesty, the details you talk about that can only be known to a true craftsman and how you respect other manufacturers and don’t push your products. I have been binge watching episodes now because I just want to learn as much as I can and I am slowly getting passionate about pedals and wanting to have a wall at home like your backdrop. On top of that, you make me feel comfortable buying pedals I can afford, which I have never felt like before. I always felt this worry that I would regret it, or not find it good enough. A big big thank you and I cannot wait to purchase my first JHS pedal. It will definitely be the morning glory!

  • @robertwillett4122
    @robertwillett4122 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm getting pretty old, been playing guitar 44 years. I just play for my enjoyment at home maybe with some friends, and that's about it. It's not that i suck playing guitar, i have seen worse. It's because i choke in front of people who l dont know. Yeah so l choke under pressure or whatever you want to call it. But l don't mind because I truly love playing guitar. My point being is, l have lived thru all the petal years. From the original version of the Rat to the centaur, l loved my old small stone. It's been so long ago l can't remember if l traded it or pawned it or what. The thing is l have had a ton of gear chasing for that magical tone. I get so mad at myself of all the gear I've traded. I had a 59 reissued Les Paul l mean l went thru a lot of killer gear that at the time l thought that I could make it better. Needless to say l traded my way out of some sweet guitars and gear.
    I have never been happier with what l have now and it's a relief knowing that my search is over. I'll tell you what l play today. No laughing please, l don't know why this amp gets such a bad rap. I guess because it's tubeless. A flextone 50x2 stereo line six. You know the digital dog. I remember when they first came out and ofcourse I had to buy one. And it was a little pricey. I can't remember the exact year but it had to be 25 years ago
    That amp has long been gone. Last year l walk in a pawn shop and there was one sitting there(they are very heavy) so l buy it for 160 dollars. It has a lot of different sounds. So 160 bucks l have an amp with basically all the stomp petals built in. I only play it at bedroom levels and it sounds awesome to me. For guitar l am a gibson freak but at the same pawn shop they had a P.R.S. se custom. It's a great guitar. Stays in tune with that floating trem. It only had pick scratches and l got that for 300. It is a beautiful guitar and the neck is perfect for me. So 460. I have everything that l want. You really don't have to spend thousands of dollars. Unless your a pro in the studio type of deal. Just saying it's a relief that l can be happy with what l have.

    • @captaintony1227
      @captaintony1227 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a line 6 spider 50× 1 12 and is not to bad. I also have a vox valvetronix that has a tube pre amp and 60 watts of solid state power amp. It also has a bunch of built in stuff. I got a 100w all tube b52 amp not to long ago and it dose sound good when cranked . but I only play at home alone so I hardly use it. I think most of the time people can't tell the difference. Especially with the new stuff. Helix or kemper or even ax effects. Sounds just like the real thing on a track. Its mostly a preference thing for people. I have expensive stuff and cheap stuff. Both bring joy to playing in there own way.

    • @robertwillett4122
      @robertwillett4122 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@captaintony1227 Your exactly right Captain. I had all the real expensive toys. In general I love tube amps turned up to wear it starts to break up and clean amp in series with maybe a flanger or something on the clean amp. But i live in a condo. I know there's some pretty cool bouquet tube amps you can set at like two watts and crank it, but I'm trying to pay my daughters college.
      So l just jam on my digital line 6 flextone and couldn't be any happier. I can really dial in some great sounding low volume tones without spending a small fortune. But, I'm not playing on a stage.
      Just for the joy. Im so greatful that l didn't give guitar up. I've been at it now for forty years and l feel like it just now all coming together. I actually can't wait to wake up in the morning and make time to play. I never have a moment of boredom. I also have taught my daughter at a early age. She can rip the blues, it so awesome. Anyways you really dont have to have the most expensive gear to have a good time. Take care, bro and keep jamming.
      PEACE

    • @senemorcaykalyoncu6369
      @senemorcaykalyoncu6369 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I AM 52, BEEN PLAYING BASS GUITAR FOR 36 YRS AND I AM DEFINITLY WITH YOU ROBERT ....TODAY'S YOUTH REALLY DON'T KNOW THE MEANING & THE WORTH OF OLD STUFF....LIKE A 1962 STRAT, 1957 PRECISION OR MAYBE A 59 LES PAUL...THEY JUST WANT THE NEWEST STUFF WITH THE FANCIEST & FLASHY LOOKS... THE SOCIAL MEDIA FUCKED UP AND KILLED EVERYTHING...TODAY, IT'S NOTHING BUT IMPURITY ...

    • @robertwillett4122
      @robertwillett4122 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@senemorcaykalyoncu6369
      Mr. Orcaykalyoncu,
      You good sir, your exactly correct. About gear music. I was a single parent was awarded full custody of my infant little girl in 93. I promised myself that I would drop all the bullshit and raise her properly. Put her in church every Sunday ( I'm not a religious) but church doesn't hurt when raising a child. She never gave me an once of problems. I think she knew if she did there would be consequences. I managed to put her thru 4 years of college, literally breaking my back to do so. Now she is 26 and has a killer job, and just got engaged to a guy who l actually like. She never got into trouble at school, never have been pregnant and just the other day she showed me in her phone her credit rating was well into the 700s. I'm so lucky, she has never met her mother, probably because she owes me so much child support, she was just a loser. My fault for getting her pregnant, but if l didn't l wouldn't have my daughter which I love dearly. Most kids of her generation are still living at home in there Grandparents basement, it's unbelievable what this country is turning into. The social media, the news, it all mostly lies. I have never in my life have seen the decline of our constitutional freedoms, never in a million years that l would see the bullshit that is happening today. I could go on and on Senam. But l do love my music and have found my tone, no more searching for that Holy Grail of sound. Try to stay away from computer driven music, no talent music in a while. Remember the 70s. My God the bands where so gifted compared to today. There's exceptions, but very few and far between. Today I'm liking Joe Bonamossa. Can't spell his name. And there's a few other, but nothing like older classic rock. Those bands had some serious talanted players. Today's music, in my humble opinion sucks. And if the media keeps up all the cover ups and straight ass lies we are or already have lost. SAD isn't it. Well all l can do is sit back, play my music and watch the world fall apart.
      Have a great day, at least try to!

  • @billleemusic7173
    @billleemusic7173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "Massage the knobs" New pick up line for me ! Thanks Josh.

  • @erikscott1554
    @erikscott1554 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The solo from "Brothers in Arms" is the reason I started playing and, coincidentally, today Mark's the 30th anniversary of my first guitar lesson.

  • @Karlgolden
    @Karlgolden 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    We can’t be friends!! Just kidding great honest video as always bro! 🤘🎸🔥

  • @Mark_of_the_Bear_Studios
    @Mark_of_the_Bear_Studios ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Record time win! I wore this album out on cassette. Some standouts for me (aside from the obvious Money For Nothing, So Far Away, and Walk of Life) were my favorite track from cassette side 2 was Ride Across the River (awesome track) and Latest Trick (capitalizing on our cultural fascination with adding saxophone - the original rock lead instrument - to a rock ballad). It scratches the same itch as Baker Street and The Heat Is On. Definitely check this album out if you’re not familiar with it. Though I find it interesting how many fans of The Princess Bride don’t know that the same guy the wrote Sultans of Swing and Money For Nothing was responsible for the lion’s share of the original music in the soundtrack. Mark Knopfler is a musical genius in his own right. And tbh, the artist most responsible for me coming back to the Strat years after selling mine.

  • @SparkyGoldsmith
    @SparkyGoldsmith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it, man. Great video. 5 years ago I was entrenched in traditional vintage everything. The Boss Katana 50 and your video comparing and discussing point to point to surface mount changed my life. Thanks. That jam you did during the TS-9 shootout, Wow. I had an original TS-9 blah blah blah. I bought a used Analogman TS-9 with Silvermod and it blew it away. Sold it for $1100. No regrets. Love my CE-2w and Dim C Waza too. Amazing pedals.

  • @sergiopedro4668
    @sergiopedro4668 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Josh, there is so much truth in this episode, I don't even know where to start saying thank you. Right down to record time. I listened to Brothers in Arms over and over when I got the record. One of my favorite guitar tracks ever. Well said.

  • @alexfeigmusic
    @alexfeigmusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Calling old things “vintage” makes them sound more desirable. I’m not growing old, I’m just more vintage.
    Great video BTW, the production continues to impress and improve!

  • @DerekSmyth
    @DerekSmyth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As a child “Brothers in arms” thought me what emotion was. Can’t explain it but back then as a 10 year old and to this day it makes me so sad, so happy, so empty and so full all at the same time. I’m glad someone else out there loves it.

    • @davidfletcher4952
      @davidfletcher4952 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's funny cos the opening strums of So Far Away evoke warm & fuzzy feelings for me because of how I felt at that time as a child - music has such emotive recall power!

    • @DerekSmyth
      @DerekSmyth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidfletcher4952 Same here. In short its a sensational album that does get enough credit
      .

    • @E_Rock
      @E_Rock 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got to see them play at Radio City after this album came out, as a teenager. What an awesome performance.

  • @jonesybones13
    @jonesybones13 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great comparisons! Really eye-opening. I thought I heard a little more low end in the older boss and Ibanez but we're talking very small difference. And it could have been the playing, too. But great episode!

  • @blacktoothfox677
    @blacktoothfox677 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1) vintage Rat a touch warmer, but only a touch.
    2) Thought the new small stone was muddier, but again, only a touch. I myself have found EH pedals to REALLY suck the top and bottom outta my tone, and noisy... Still love them though.
    3) Again, vintage is a touch warmer, with a dirtier compression. Bugger all in it though.
    4) Nothing in it. Happy to use the modern one.
    This was a wonderful no bs demonstration. I absolutely adore this channel, in a sea of nonsense here on YT, this is sanity I wholeheartedly agree with. Never met a pedal I did'nt like, or get SOMETHING out of... Build your tonal palette, collect pedals!
    I actually DO have a few vintage classic pedals... but my attitude is; if i can do it with a Boss from the nearest shop, why wouldn't I? I want my gigs and sessions to sound good ALL the time, everywhere. So, yeah, I have a Mk I Marshall Guv'nor, would not sell it for the world. Can get JUST as GOOD a tone outta the OCD though... which I can buy anywhere anytime, so...

  • @dmitch1983
    @dmitch1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I want to see the 70s op amp big muff vs the reissue pumpkin pi

    • @maxwellzinser8272
      @maxwellzinser8272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      th-cam.com/video/9OaLT-wVspk/w-d-xo.html it has been done !

    • @BlueBarrier782
      @BlueBarrier782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The reissue sounds damn good . . . If you can't get good sounds out of it, you are doing something wrong.

    • @modelcitizen1977
      @modelcitizen1977 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I put the reissue op-amp pumpkin pi up against the green and white tone wicker model and was able to get them to sound identical, fwiw.

    • @wvo2m
      @wvo2m 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I owned a 70s op amp muff for 30 years. Sold it last year on eBay 'cos to me, it was one of the worst sounding fuzz pedals I ever owned. Couldn't believe my luck when ehx released the smashing pumpkins muff and realising I'd eventually be able to pass it on for stupid money.

    • @thischannel1071
      @thischannel1071 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a couple originals and the reissue. The originals sound bigger and more 3D, and have more grit. I think that can be heard in Josh's video comparing them, too.

  • @6StringStories
    @6StringStories 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Came for a western saloon style shootout, stayed for the sarcasm.

    • @joermnyc
      @joermnyc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      7:09 🤣

  • @gerrybayne8040
    @gerrybayne8040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is what I love about JHS. A $99 pedal line? Showing us that reissues are great? He wants to help us little guys who can’t spend $250-$500 on a pedal. Bravo.

  • @michaeljywang0619
    @michaeljywang0619 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't have any vintage pedal (cannot afford it), but I am really grateful that you made this demo, for now I know not being able to afford vintage pedals does not matter at all! Thanks a lot :-D

  • @mr.wattsandthedisstemadven8370
    @mr.wattsandthedisstemadven8370 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool. This is an episode that made some real sense to me. I have say, I have been away from this channel for a while. But I am glad I checked out this video. Thank you for making it!

  • @garrygaggles1160
    @garrygaggles1160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If I cover my ears every time I see the Green light on, they definitely sound better when the red light is on. It must be the diode in your AB switcher !!!

  • @moyano6197
    @moyano6197 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    _I don’t have these pedals, how am I gonna survive?_
    *I just have to have these pedals*

    • @cameronmoore7675
      @cameronmoore7675 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I sing that to myself *daily.* Please send help.

  • @KCAugustine
    @KCAugustine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "This is not Apollo 11, this is an Overdrive Pedal." Thanks for dispelling myths of an idealized past. Love it.

  • @maggieo
    @maggieo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I closed my eyes during the demos and I had no idea when Josh was switching back and forth. I have some old pedals- like the '86 RAT, but I bought it new...in 1986! Great vid, Josh!! PREACH!

  • @fadingdestination
    @fadingdestination ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for playing stuff closer to what I play!
    Some channels are always hotdogging.

  • @Davidmeinhorn
    @Davidmeinhorn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for being the savior of logic and reason in gear! So many people follow the mystique and ignore what their ears are hearing.

  • @TeamUltraSlow
    @TeamUltraSlow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Josh dropping truth bombs for the benefit of mankind.

  • @SocksworthRiffs
    @SocksworthRiffs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Finally someone who calls out parts tolerances even in the modern day. The RAT specifically, I good the new one for like $49 or something from guitar center, NEW, AND it's built like a tank. Come on now, how the hell is someone gonna hate on it?

  • @kellykent131
    @kellykent131 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Josh, I appreciate so much that you do videos like this. I really like the video you did a couple years ago about pedal myths. I think in many ways this video is much like that one. I think all this talk about “ this chip isn’t as good as the old chip, “ and thoughts like this just create an unsatisfied attitude that just ruins one’s happiness.
    I listen to your video and I couldn’t hear any difference between one pedal or the other . I think we ought to be happy with the fact that there’s so much variety of sounds that we can access for not too much money .
    One more thing: I was in a rockabilly band for about a year and a half . In that time I had played through a Peavey 50 watt classic,
    and a Fender Blues jr. My pedals changed from using an Ibanez T7, to a Proco Rat, to a Timmy. My bandmaster said to me, “ Kelly, no matter what gear you change to, you still sound the same. “

  • @adrianseifi3285
    @adrianseifi3285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best (and funniest) episodes in a long time. My friend sent me the link saying that this episode was dedicated to me, and while I felt very apprehensive about what I was about to watch, I have now changed my mind and am more open (and willing) to accepting reissues as "just as good" pedals. I'll still be a bit on the fence until I really A/B the things, but I am much more receptive now than before. Go JHS!

  • @jameskinstle6874
    @jameskinstle6874 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The vintage vs re-issue thing (esp. the tube screamer one) always makes me laugh.
    To me it's the same as the kid who plugs a tube screamer into the front of a 15 watt solid state amp and then says "this thing sucks, it won't even overdrive my amp!". Or the kid who plugs into a single-ended class-a tube amp, sets the gain , bass, and treble at 10, the mids at 0, and the master at 2 and says "this thing sucks, it has no overdrive!".

  • @nihilvoid4112
    @nihilvoid4112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tiny TIIINNYY minuscule differences between the Rats and screamers, the Nano small stone seemed to sound fuller and obviously louder. However I have owned the Waza CE-2 and still own a silver screw ce-2 and the Waza craft ones just lack something that the originals have, I’m not sure what it is but I could definitely hear it.

    • @kevinjohnbetts
      @kevinjohnbetts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I suspect if Josh had spent a lot more time with each pedal in this video the differences would have been more obvious. Maybe. However, having watched some of Brian Wampler's videos and seen some Facebook pieces by the designer/builder of Green Carrot Pedals I know that more components than the pots have 'tolerance issues'. So a recreation of a vintage pedal is only ever going to be a close approximation - so some old silver-screw CE-2 pedals will sound different, maybe better, than the Waza re-issue, for example. I think Josh's argument is that spending a lot of time and money tracking down a vintage pedal when the re-issue is readily available will probably not be worth it. You won't end up with something that sounds appreciably better. Of course if you already own one and it sounds good then more power to you.

  • @johnt364
    @johnt364 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hey there funny electricity man, I'm requesting an episode on the short lived fender starcaster pedals. also amp emulation.

    • @JoshBattershell
      @JoshBattershell 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only pedal I had from that series was the chorus and absolutely hated it. Might just not be my style of chorus

    • @johnt364
      @johnt364 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JoshBattershell I have the distortion. It does some stuff I like.

    • @stuartchapman5171
      @stuartchapman5171 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnt364 I have an orange Fender "Distort" is this the same one? The tone sweep is almost like a synth low pass filter, I like it, althought doesn't boost the signal like a lot of gain based pedals.

  • @aarondavis5850
    @aarondavis5850 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great episode! The only time I preferred the vintage pedal was the Rat, which sounded a hair raspier in the clip. Other than that, the new pedals sounded indistinguishable or very slightly clearer. One could probably chalk any differences up to how the given pedals were set, for that matter.

  • @guitarandstuff
    @guitarandstuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Josh, I think it's so cool from pedal company owner to try and demystify the whole pedal building business! Also, "Brothers in arms" is in my opinion one of the most beautiful songs ever written! Keep up the good work and thank you!

  • @starshineraiser6729
    @starshineraiser6729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    And yes, the Waza CE2 is one of the best chorus pedals you can buy. I collect chorus pedals and if the CE2w were my only one, it would be no problem.

  • @ElmarSprong
    @ElmarSprong 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I listened to this like a podcast,
    I personally couldn't tell the difference

  • @coltrane2323
    @coltrane2323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Awesome episode! "this is not apollo11, this is an overdrive pedal" 😂

  • @jonathanmadlang-awa6131
    @jonathanmadlang-awa6131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much Josh for making this video. It means a lot to us mortals. Thank you.

  • @garyrose5211
    @garyrose5211 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your new style videos where you play short tunes through the pedals. Really significant point about pedal component tolerances. As a lot of people say that in live situations the small differences in tone are negligible to audiences, but I think you have pointed out in the past using a graphic equaliser type pedal can do a lot to help shape the tone. Really like the tunes you come up with and great playing by all of you at JHS.

  • @zachcerasani3043
    @zachcerasani3043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    New jhs shirt: “massage the knobs”.
    I get the first one for my idea. XL please.

    • @MrTylero28
      @MrTylero28 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m totally in!! I’ll take a medium

  • @matthewr8502
    @matthewr8502 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I can't believe Big Pedal got to Josh. Hope the free yacht was worth it.

    • @izeoftheworld41
      @izeoftheworld41 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @MrShreddykruger
      @MrShreddykruger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Big pedal schill

    • @josephwright5921
      @josephwright5921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ha ha. You are the exact type of pedal user he is talking about! 😂 Whatever! Just keep searching for those Elusive Vintage Holy Grail pedals. Maybe you will find that one that will make you a ⭐️ ROCK STAR! ⭐️ !!! I

    • @benmolad-einstein3367
      @benmolad-einstein3367 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@josephwright5921 woooosh

    • @Artguitars
      @Artguitars 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You dont play much guitar do you?

  • @alfrednorris1895
    @alfrednorris1895 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great episode. I love an unemotional analysis that cuts through the myth and nostalgia goggles.

  • @9999plato
    @9999plato 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The recording quality of Brothers in arms is fantastic. I have the vynil reissue played on a late 70s kenwood and some JBL 4412s and you are transformed back in time.

  • @henningcurtiswalter
    @henningcurtiswalter 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this comparison! You made my day! I was working in a music store in Germany long time ago, where I got confused and got stamped as the "rookie" when I heard about the "special" chip and that the reissue of the Ibanez Tube Screamer didn't sound as close as the original and because of that, we had to sell the maxon tube screamer version, as there was built the "original chip". Now we all know and the sarcasm is not bad, because it makes clear, that in "a musical situation" there is not a difference between original and reissue. Side note: when people are complaining about reissues, they are ok, because they don't have to care about their basic life like sleep, eat, money ect. :-) I could watch your videos about pedals all day.

  • @DanHains
    @DanHains 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If someone is trying to sell you their crappy, old pedal (so that they can buy a new working one), of course they'll tell you that the old one has secret sauce or was the one used by X guitar god. That's how this all got started.

  • @jpistolas
    @jpistolas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's amazing how many pedal builders like yourself, Brian Wampler (the guy from Visual Sound who's name escapes me) etc. continue to explain how little chipsets matter but players still prefer snake oil to science. Then again, snake oil seems to sell more than common sense does 😉
    Edit: I do need a Waza chorus pretty bad.

  • @MatthaeusEbonah
    @MatthaeusEbonah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "The internet is a free country sorta" Josh you need these quotes on T-shirts brother 😆

  • @hardcorehopefoundation9925
    @hardcorehopefoundation9925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am so glad you mentioned tolerances.
    People even do that when shooting out modeling and tube amps.
    They put everything to noon and even two exact same tube amps will not sound the same at noon either.
    Finally someone who actually does it right!!!!!!
    God I love JHS!!!!
    Edit: no I don't think all modeling amps are just as good as the original amps they model, but there are several that come so close that you can only tell the difference when actually looking at the impulse graphing.

  • @zummo61
    @zummo61 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought my pedals new, starting in 1976, now they are old. I still use them. They were cheap, now they are priceless.

  • @Jonathan-ih7qp
    @Jonathan-ih7qp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    DIre Straits is criminally underrated by the general population.

    • @adriandavenport1614
      @adriandavenport1614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was the go to CD when CD's first came out

    • @stefannita3439
      @stefannita3439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      maybe they shouldn't have released the worst song of all fucking time, Walk of Life. then people might have liked them more.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adriandavenport1614 Yup! Money For Nothing sounded so SPACIOUS on CD! Vinyl is very limited by comparison! (SORRY vinyl nerds!)

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stefannita3439 That song was ok!

    • @Strange-Songs
      @Strange-Songs 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DMSProduktions Money for Nothing sounds flat because it was recorded on an early 16 bit digital recorder - so it was essentially recorded directly to MP3. I so wish it had been recorded to tape (especially when Knopfler plays the guitar a cappella in the beginning) So vinyl vs. CD is irrelevant in this case because of the quality (or lack thereof) of the original recording. Don't get me wrong, it's a great song! Sounds great in the car! However, when I listen on a decent sound system...I want to sing "I want my MP3"

  • @stompboxer1862
    @stompboxer1862 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All those vintage electrolytic capacitors are toast. Were they replaced before the comparison?

  • @andrewszmauz3529
    @andrewszmauz3529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I can't wait for the day when people are arguing over whether or not the JHS vintage pedals are better than the JHS reissue pedals

    • @michaeldean4704
      @michaeldean4704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I'm waiting for the day some nimrod claims the vintage JHS videos are better than the JHS reissue videos. 😉

    • @garrettbabcock9024
      @garrettbabcock9024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaeldean4704 but they are. They're magical.

    • @michaeldean4704
      @michaeldean4704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@garrettbabcock9024 Must be the chips.

  • @reggaetonjones1988
    @reggaetonjones1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the video, sir. A great topic to cover. I recently got into playing bass guitar and started dabbling in fx pedals. You have a good presence on camera, play well, and have a good sense of humor. Subscribed.

  • @amberyooper
    @amberyooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have one of those ProCo "reissue" Rat pedals from the 1980s, they have exactly the same parts as the older "white face" rat in this demo. The circuit board is different because they had to lay out the board a bit different to accommodate the indicator LED and the circuit to turn it on or off. I've had the thing since the late 1980s. I also had one of the "white face" Rat pedals, I sold that one to a friend a couple of years ago. I had both of them apart to replace the foot switch, so I've seen, and compared the parts. They're the same pedal...