As asked at the end of the video: Which card do you want us to revisit next? 10 series, 20, 30, RX 5000, Vega -- name it and upvote each other on the most helpful suggestions and we'll take a look! (Also, prices are still in flux on the 7900 XT, so we gave thoughts on the $800 and $720-$750 prices!) Grab a GN PC-themed 3D 'Debug' Coaster Pack for your drinks! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-drink-debug-coaster-pack-4-custom-3d-coasters-100x100mm-4x4
I'd love to see how the 2080ti holds up especially as they are showing up on the used market, it has similar performance to the 3070 but extra vram, hpw does it stand vs a 4060ti/4060
I love how before every black Friday, prices on items go up, so they can discount it back to its normal selling price, and call it a "Black Friday special".
Actually doesn't happen here. I mean, sure prices go up to come down, but they legally need to come down below what they were before the price hike. The discount is real, although the % is still slightly inflated
Funny thing is that the prices on Geizhals are in 99% for german speaking customers, most retailers ship only inside germany. so for example if im not german and wish to buy a gpu, first i need to find a dealer thats willing to ship outside of germany, and those can usually be found at the bottom, with higher prices. Also Geizhals' history graph is taking the price from the cheapest vendor and its not averaging a price from all vendors - which would be more useful imo..
@@P3X967 'Geizhals' translates to 'cheapskate', so only using the cheapest data for the graph makes sense to native speakers. Also, while they don't serve the entire european market, they have listings from germany, austria, poland and the UK, although the focus is on germans potentially ordering from english/polish stores if they're cheaper.
It's still funny to see how the different brands is place totally differently than in the US. MSI and Asrock is generally the ones having the cheaper prices in the EU for computer parts.
all tech tubers are "constantly complaining about the prices of GPUs", there's a catch though - they all say stupid shit like "it must be 25 -50-100 bucks cheaper" BUT GPUs ARE OVERPRICED X3-4 TIMES! overprice is NOT 100, not even 200 bucks. its literally 3-4 TIMES! GTX 980 Ti Die Size 601 mm2 2015 Launch Price 650USD GTX 980 Die Size 398 mm2 15% slower 550 USD GTX 970 Die Size 398 mm2 30% slower 330 USD RTX 4090 Die Size 609 mm2 Launch Price 1600 USD RTX 4080 Die Size 379 mm2 30% slower 1200 USD. its a xx70 card. RTX 4090 must cost 600 bucks, its OVERPRICED 1000 DOLLARS. RTX 4080 must cost 300 bucks, its OVERPRICED 900 DOLLARS. 600 & 300 bucks are normal prices for such devices because TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS, mf-er, ever heard of it? yeah, ngreedia can sell 4 times less GPUs for 4 times more money each and get the same profits, yet gamers will have 4 times less new faster GPUs and game devs don't make games for overpriced AF hardware, game devs make games for hardware that MOST people can afford to have a player base to sell games to. +most new GPUs have like 0 progress = thats how ngreedia is killing PC gaming with its overpriced x4 times crap. when you buy a top overpriced AF GPU there will be minimal amount of games that actually need such GPUs. and most new "hard to run" games actually is boring AF crap with bad gameplay and stupid storylines. and YOU SUPPORT GREEDY AF CORPORATIONS AND DEATH OF PC GAMING through overprice. and ayyymd isn't better - supporting overprice to sell more obsolete cheap-to-make high-margin ps5/xbox chips to sony/ms. ayyymd supports ngreedia overprice to push PC gamers buy crap consoles. and both corporations are making profits of slowing down technological progress. no progress = no price drops. people really should ONLY get used GPUs and don't feed GREEDY AF corporations at this point. and "tech tubers" are a sad joke with fish memory because they never seem to remember pre-mining prices, which is 2015, always comparing TO MINING PRICES WHEN GPUs LITERALLY WERE MONEY PRINTING MACHINES. THEY aren't anymore. GPUs are JUST GAMING DEVICES and MUST BE priced accordingly as such, 500-600 bucks MUST BE TOP GPU PRICES, xx70 class cards like "the 4080" MUST BE around 300 bucks just like pre-mining when NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED THAT CHEAP.
I second this wholeheartedly. It's so annoying to see charts sorted by USD, only to find that the items I'm most interested in are either not available here or a fuckton more expensive. Geizhals is not ideal though, as it's Germany-oriented, and hardware is loads cheaper in Germany.
I'm still using a EVGA FTW3 1080ti. I want to upgrade, but the current pricing is nuts. It looks like I will be considering an AMD card this time. Nvidia has lost their minds.
One game most of us never heard of doesn't mean our 10 series cards are dead. Not every game will use the mesh shader thing. Or other technology that older cards aren't compatible with. Understand that graphics don't make a good game. My favorite game lately has 10+ year old graphics (they were enhanced but not overhauled) and looks great still. Mw2022 ran... On my GTX 950. That's all I can say there, but it ran. If you NEED to play Allen wake 2 with old hardware buy a month of game pass ultimate pc and play on the cloud if you have good with Internet
I just upgraded to a Vega 64 Nitro+ because I need my RX 580 for a project. Both cards are still fine and enough for me. As a bonus Vega 64 consumes just 3 watts in idle instead of 25, probably because of the HBM2 memory (RX 580 memory does not clock down with 2 monitors and is fed by the GPU VRMs iirc). :)
all tech tubers are "constantly complaining about the prices of GPUs", there's a catch though - they all say stupid shit like "it must be 25 -50-100 bucks cheaper" BUT GPUs ARE OVERPRICED X3-4 TIMES! overprice is NOT 100, not even 200 bucks. its literally 3-4 TIMES! GTX 980 Ti Die Size 601 mm2 2015 Launch Price 650USD GTX 980 Die Size 398 mm2 15% slower 550 USD GTX 970 Die Size 398 mm2 30% slower 330 USD RTX 4090 Die Size 609 mm2 Launch Price 1600 USD RTX 4080 Die Size 379 mm2 30% slower 1200 USD. its a xx70 card. RTX 4090 must cost 600 bucks, its OVERPRICED 1000 DOLLARS. RTX 4080 must cost 300 bucks, its OVERPRICED 900 DOLLARS. 600 & 300 bucks are normal prices for such devices because TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS, mf-er, ever heard of it? yeah, ngreedia can sell 4 times less GPUs for 4 times more money each and get the same profits, yet gamers will have 4 times less new faster GPUs and game devs don't make games for overpriced AF hardware, game devs make games for hardware that MOST people can afford to have a player base to sell games to. +most new GPUs have like 0 progress = thats how ngreedia is killing PC gaming with its overpriced x4 times crap. when you buy a top overpriced AF GPU there will be minimal amount of games that actually need such GPUs. and most new "hard to run" games actually is boring AF crap with bad gameplay and stupid storylines. and YOU SUPPORT GREEDY AF CORPORATIONS AND DEATH OF PC GAMING through overprice. and ayyymd isn't better - supporting overprice to sell more obsolete cheap-to-make high-margin ps5/xbox chips to sony/ms. ayyymd supports ngreedia overprice to push PC gamers buy crap consoles. and both corporations are making profits of slowing down technological progress. no progress = no price drops. people really should ONLY get used GPUs and don't feed GREEDY AF corporations at this point. and "tech tubers" are a sad joke with fish memory because they never seem to remember pre-mining prices, which is 2015, always comparing TO MINING PRICES WHEN GPUs LITERALLY WERE MONEY PRINTING MACHINES. THEY aren't anymore. GPUs are JUST GAMING DEVICES and MUST BE priced accordingly as such, 500-600 bucks MUST BE TOP GPU PRICES, xx70 class cards like "the 4080" MUST BE around 300 bucks just like pre-mining when NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED THAT CHEAP.
I just picked up a power color RX 7900 XTX for $231 today used because the guy said he prefers Nvidias drivers. I'm beyond excited for my new build. The PC I'm using right now has a single core I7 with a 1080ti and 32gb of ram. My buddy knew I desperately needed a computer and gave me his old rig a few years ago. Thank you, Rick! However, this rig is obviously getting long in the tooth, so I've been looking to build a new one. Since I scored an RX 7900 XTX 24GB power color GPU today for such a great deal, I'll be picking up a Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU and 64GB of DDR5. Talk about a massive upgrade! I should be good for quite a while.
For those looking at the 7900 XT Hellhound, Micro Center is still selling them at $750, and it looks to be available in most locations. I bought the last one at my local store on Sunday, but it seems they have restocked a few more units since then.
Hi, nice video. Could you do a re- review of 7900XTX with comparison of different AIB's ( and models ) - temps and noise ? Keep up the good work. As someone from Poland I really appreciate that you are starting to include prices in EU. VAT in EU makes for us some of the models extremely expensive.
I would like to do a revisit of the top 10 most used cards on Steam survey. Like 3060, 1060, 1660 and so on. That would be a great video showing how those cards perform today and how big gains would be if moved to current gpu generation.
But that info is already readily available, within some of GN's own benchmarks...It is largely just you wanting their presentation of it but offers little in the way of new information.
@@MDxGanofor someone to find that information they’d have to watch ALL of the current gen GPU videos, or GN can make even MORE money and views by making another video that people seem to be interest in…
I'd really love to check out AMD cards, but as a Blender user, OptiX is just too powerful and AMD isn't keeping up. Unsurprising - CUDA-based stuff has always been the most mature and adopted. Works better for RIFE interpolation too. I still feel like by the time you're spending $1100 on a GPU, you're bound to get caught in the upsell scenario and end up with a 4090, and it's probably worth it. You get a lot more value for your money there imo.
Iam constantly building computers for friends with 6600-6650xts and 3060tis and other cards in that rough price point. I would greatly appreciate a performance breakdown across modern titles with this 200-400 price range
You already know it... AMD wins practically every time at the entry level because RT is useless at this performance tier and DLSS Quality is uglier at 1080p than turning down settings (I hate calling $400 entry level, but it is what it is). At $400 the 6800 is the bees knees while it lasts. Precisely as fast as the 7700XT, has 16GB, only uses 5W more but is $50 cheaper. Against the $400 3070 it's 10% faster and 8GB at this price is a joke nobody's laughing at. At $320 the 6700XT is 5% faster than the $330 3060ti but 12GB vs 8GB. At $240 for the 6650XT and $260 for the 3060 12GB it's a little less straight forward as the 6650XT is 17% faster but the 3060 has 12GB. Had the 6650XT been $220 I would have handed AMD this one, but as it stands it's simply a matter of preference between performance or longevity. I personally lean towards cranking texture quality up, and other settings down, so I think the $20 for 4GB more is worth it. But $40 for 4GB and a performance hit would be a sour deal at this price point. At $200 for the 6600 Nvidia simply doesn't have an answer. It's 26% faster than the $180 3050 at a performance tier where 26% is a big effing deal. The 3050 is worth precisely $150 and not a single cent more. Now, some will argue that the 6800/3070 are 1440p GPUs so DLSS is an argument, but I'll point to recent game releases where even 1440p Low with DLSS Quality is a mouthful for the 3070, and thus state that anyone buying last gen right now need to step a resolution notch down compared to how they were originally marketed, unless they want to be sorry in short order. (All performance numbers are from the Techpowerup's GPU database which generally lines up for raster with Hardware Unboxed's 50+ game benchmark averages)
@andersjjensen Agree. I had to buy a new GPU after years on the sidelines. Did the math, performance per dollar, and ended up with a $160 6600, which was great. The bang for the buck was ridiculous. Currently running a $300 6700XT and getting terrific performance out of it. I don't think Nvidia even cares about being a good value any more when they can make mega profits no matter what they sell. Meanwhile AMD cards are in a sweet spot in many cases. I'm getting over 120fps 1080P maxed out in Starfield. Whatever I am not getting out of this card I am also not missing at all.
@@LatitudeSky A 6700XT for 1080p Native is a banger that's going to last a good while. I upgraded my RX580 at 1080p to a 6700XT at 1440p during the pandemic/crypto plague because work from home became a thing, and I was not going to stare at text at 1080p for 8 hours a day. I knew full well that the 6700XT at 1440p would only work as a stop-gap but at bloody $800 bucks I was not willing to go bigger. Now I've replaced it with an XTX but I'm going to stay on 1440p for at least a decade.
@@andersjjensen And those friends don't usually have a clue about GPUs in any way, and have trouble adjusting anything in the graphics settings other than resolution(besides audio). Unless a game has RT and DLSS/FSR turned on by default, they will NEVER use it.
I bought the XFX Speedster Merc 310 7900 XT when it was on sale for Prime Day for $700 and I couldn't be happier. Upgraded from a 6700 XT and this is overkill for 1440p/144 on everything and that's the way I like it lol. Now time to upgrade the display.
I picked mine up at 775 with 100$ free copy of starfield which I was going to buy anyway. So 675 is a killer deal. Love the card! Also another thing that should be factored in is a 7900 xt will work with a 750w but better with 850w psu but a 7900 xtx needs 1000watt psu. So that adds another 200 for the upgrade, and is why I went with the 7900 xt. does 4k really well and crushes 1440p. I also got a 4080 for same reason, 600 more for 4090 plus 200 for new PSU meaning 800 more for 25% more fps when the 4080 crushes everything already especially with dlss. Wait for the comments from people bad with money to say "if you can buy a 4080 you can buy a 4090" lol Not true and also Don't care about having 180 fps when the 4080 gets 150-160 in the same game, Less power draw, less heat, for less money to upgrade=WIN.
Hey bro what were your frame rates at 1440p res? We’re you using the highest setting available and what games do you frequent. Ofc if you don’t mind me asking.
Picked up an open box Hellhound today at MC for $650 after struggling with unacceptable coil whine on 3 different 4070 Supers. This card runs amazing and the value on this open box model is unbeatable. Thanks for all that you guys do on these reviews.
7900s are doing so well in DaVinci Resolve RAW video work they don't need the help of gamers to sell a lot of cards unfortunately. 7900XTX is the best consumer GPU for that, and the only better card is an AMD workstation card which is hard to find.
@@UncleButterworth I just bought a 3090 for that price. The RDNA3 card makes it look like a joke but AMD cards aren't as AI capable but it beats the 4080 for half its price. Probably the best value of any RDNA card.
Appreciate the revisit. I bought a Hellhound back when AMD still had driver issues, wound up returning it. This summer I read that most of those had been addressed and lucked out with a Sapphire Pulse for $719 on sale. While the driver issues seem to be a thing of the past, my impression is the Pulse is a bit hotter and slower than the Hellhound... wish I had saved some of my benchmark runs! Very happy with this card at the price I paid. I'm seeing a lot of tech prices going up right now, probably so they don't have to discount as much to make things look enticing on Black Friday. Hopefully these will settle to the sub - $750 range after the holiday.
@@clarkkentll5490 Working great. I'm on Adrenaline 24.1.1, but I can't say I've played that particular game. I do get some stuttering when I record using the Adrenaline software, but the Windows Game Bar does just fine. My only real complaint is that I'm considering a custom water loop and I've only seen one GPU water block.
@@clarkkentll5490 Still happy with it. I'm on 24.1.1 and have no gaming issues at all, though I haven't played that particular game. I did have some Starfield crashes early on, but I traced those to a bad memory stick (Turned out they were system crashes, not GPU crashes). I wouldn't recommend it to content creators or people doing video editing however. Using the Adrenaline video capture software I get some stuttering, and certain rendering software can behave.. erratically using hardware acceleration (colors shifting, that sort of thing). Video capture using Windows game bar or OBS works perfectly though, and I don't do enough editing to look for another solution.. I just turn off hardware acceleration.
I would love for you guys to do a 1080 Ti revisit, both to see how it stacks up against the competition today and to look at what current cards make the most sense as an upgrade
Check A580 GPU review from two weeks ago, there is also 1080ti in the test. Also any test from last years will be valid as Nvidia doesn't really increase performance for older models.
I recently picked up a 6950xt for $630 and paired it with a 7800x3d and boy am I happy! Excellent performance on 1440p and even 4k runs great on most of the titles I play. Don't care about ray tracing or streaming so it's a no brainer.
I have a 2080 that's on the way out. I'm saving for its replacement. I simrace in VR and I was hoping to go in around the 4080 level so this was an excellent video for me. I'd love to see 20-series cards in the revisits. Cheers.
@@ThrowAway-md9zx On a 2080 as well. It will run games but on 1440p I am turning off a lot of settings to get an acceptable frame rate... or just having to accept a bad one. The card doesn't hold much value these days and new cards are expensive. Still got my 5-ish years out of it though. I have been an Nvidia guy forever but the AMD cards are looking quite good price wise. I was looking at a 4080 and it crazy how much it costs here in Canada.
6950XT is very good for VR at its current price. You're not likely to get a better option for a long time. VR seems to play really well with its extra large cache and bandwidth is much better than anything 4xxx offers - unless you're willing to pay double.
If you can still snag a 6950XT, that's killer value for VR. I have two systems with a 6800XT and 7900XTX for VR and I'm extremely happy with the performance. It's been a great time for a nearly daily driver.
Back near the end of July this year, prices in Europe dropped to 800 euros for several models for just a couple of days. It flew of the shelves and many stores who participated cleaned out their inventory very quickly. Got a Sapphire Pulse back then, very happy with it so far.
i got a xfx merc for 850 in april(germany) which was pretty good tbh. you cant really translate the german prices with us prices though because you need to subtract the 19% mwst, convert to usd and add US sales tax lol
Sold my RTX 3090 TI for £1050 and picked up an XFX RX 6950 XT Merc for £569 in the UK. I think that was the last of the stock from the store I bought it from. Happy to get nearly £500 back my way for similar performance. Seems to be a good card so far. Shame that they are stopping making them.
got the power color for $699 at micro center holding strong af at 1440p 170Hz. Definitely better than my RTX 4070. having the extra VRAM is worth it especially while watching videos or movies while gaming. It pair well with my Ryzen 5800x @ 4.75GH,32GB RAM 2733MHZ, MSI Gaming Edge Wifi, and 1000W EVGA GT PSU
I think doing a full revisit of the 6700xt could be beneficial. Only a few months back it felt like literally every tech channel I perused was mentioning how it was the absolute best value card to get at that time, and then the stock for it started getting drained and the price began creeping back up. So I imagine a lot of folks might have heeded those words and went and picked it up for themselves around then.
the 6700xt is still at the ~300USD pricing with the lowest models going for 309USD, yeah it's a great card and luckily it still is available for a great price.
@@Tuchulu That's the exact resolution and refresh rate my monitor is at and I think it's a good card for that. It's not gonna hit 144 fps in demanding games but it'll get there in older games as well as esports games. I did have a 6700 xt but just wanted more frames so I did eventually upgrade and the person I gave it to loves it. They were coming from a 1060 6gb and they could basically get the same framerates they had in 1080p but now in 1440p.
@@Tuchulu Well, if you're willing to use AFMF / FSR or play older games maybe, but if you want to play the newest most demanding games at native resolution then you'd really want more horsepower, like a 7800xt or a 6950xt or 7900xtx. For reference, even a 4090 doesn't hold 144hz in 1440p in all games, my 7900xtx nitro+ does a pretty good job but games like immortals of aveum at 1440p ultra tend to sit around 120 fps. 6700xt is like a good 1440p 60 fps card in more demanding games or 1080p 150hz card these days.
I scored a used 3090 for $600 about six months ago. I know its performance wasn't far from the 3080 at launch, but I'm curious if that's changed now that VRAM requirements are starting to blow up in an ugly way, so I'd love to see that back in some charts.
I also got a used one for that price. After some months it stopped working and I assumed it was dead but after a month or so it came back to life again. Strange card.
Thanks a lot for also trying to give a price summary for Europe, most reviewers don't really want to be bothered with this, but the EU market is very different with included taxing and other costs imposed on distributors. This means that we usually have very different picks for price/performance and availability of certain models. I hope you can continue doing this in regular reviews! If you just look at AMD's own website and their own pricing on it; the 7900XT is still listed as 930 ish, depending on the tax/country, but it's still insane,
would love to see a 5700XT vs 6600 revisit, as these have been considered top budget choices for quite a while, so it would be interesting to see how they fare vs the latest games like alan wake. It would be cool to see the 7600 in there as well, as I fully expect it to replace these cards as the budget pick. You could even throw the 6700XT in there as that is usually the "stretched budget" recommend and like the other cards regularly experiences significant price fluctuation in the used/open-box market.
13:06 those frequency graphs are pretty unfortunate. It's not always necessary to start at 0 of y-axis and show entire startup transition that has no meaning.
Good evening Sir, I build a PC in 2020 ish with an nvidia gtx 1660 super after studying your videos I'm thinking of updating to the AMD RX 6800 XT. I'm hoping to find a nice special on the 7900 XT but even if it drops to $700 I think its a little too expensive. Thank you for your videos, it so fun watching you talk about computers.
I found the xfx 7900xt for 750$ back in August and at the beginning I was hesitant because of the RT especially in cyberpunk… but I pulled the trigger and honestly I was shocked to see how good the game looks and how smoother it feels at 1440p max settings (no RT and no FSR) vs the RT and FSR ON.
i would love to see a revisit of the 10 series as i still see quite a few 1080 and 1080 ti still in use with their 8gb and 11 gb still being in the recommended for most games
Glad I'm early enough to beat most of the comments but not early enough to get that $720 pricing. I should've watched this two weeks before it came out.
I bought this exact hellhound model back in July for $550 with an amazon CC promotion and have been incredibly happy with it. Jumping from an RTX2060 to this RX7900XT has been eye opening. Thanks for revisiting this card, I've been curious on what people think of it since the prices have been dropping.
@@slim420-e8v $650 is a steal! Technically mine was 750, just with 200 credit applied for signing up for a stupid credit card I'll probably close out soon. Certainly helped talk the wife into it haha
@@skywalker1991 it was definitely a big jump. DLSS was keeping my rtx2060 alive but it struggled in some games. I've never had anything other than budget computer stuff before so it is a good feeling.
I would love to see a comparison of the top end consumer cards from the last several generations. Say, 10x0 series and up for nVidia, and the AMD equivalents (Though AMD did not have a 1080Ti competitor at that time). And by consumer, I mean non-titan class cards.
Thank you for devoting so little time and chart space to the gimmick that is ray tracing, which is utterly irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of games and gaming experiences. Most of the media can't resist the allure of devoting huge amounts of space to the latest buzz words, and I have greater respect for you all being clear on what it is and isn't.
Well, my 6800 xt died this past week, and thanks to this video, it made me feel good about my purchase of a 7900 xt at $750 for a XFX Merc 310 7900 xt (originally bought a 7800 xt for troubleshooting, but that will be sold to a friend at cost). Thanks Steve and GN
Honestly I'm not convinced by FSR 3 being an architectural advancement over FSR 2. 6950 Xt's can be had for under £700. I mean 20GB of VRAM, hmm, I hope it ages well, unless AI really moves the market in performance.
Thanks Steve. I really appreciate the look at thermals and commentary there. I picked up a this card from Microcenter for $750 and had it fail (unclear if bad card or bad PSU). Luckily I was within the return window and got a replacement. So far *knocks on wood* this new card has been working. However, I've been watching temperatures like a hawk. I've been seeing hotspot in the mid to upper 80s with edge in mid 60s. I hadn't been able to find anything stating safe temperatures. So, I really appreciate your commentary that similar temperatures are fine. It helps put my mind at ease.
Would have been nice to see the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX benched with Smart Access Memory turned on using a 7800X3d CPU. I guarantee the fps would be much higher.
Also should've at least mentioned the potential downsides to going with a 6950xt over a 7900xt, which there are some despite it's amazing raw performance. Things such as it's very high power draw, less vram, no AV1, worse RT performance to name a few. Some more user specific issues could include drivers, I know for myself, the 6000 series for whatever reason (happened on two 6800's and a 6700xt) the drivers were pretty rough. Any issues I had were gone with my 7800xt
I feel like many people hopped on the RTX 2060 train, especially since it was one of the latest "kind of affordable" card before the crypto rush. And in fact, it's currently the 3rd most used card on Steam, after the 3060 and the 1650 ; and the only RTX 20 series card making it to the top 20. Doing a revisit would be interesting!
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What a great, great video! You hit the perfect mix of charts and benchmarks. I was wondering how my RX 6700 XT I got recently for 250 € second-hand fares against the newer and more expensive models from both AMD and nVidia in terms of performance, power consumption, and this answered it.
Would love to see RTX 2060 Super and RX 5700 XT re-tested, they were the last 'good-ish value' cards out. Also, thanks again for looking into EU pricing.
I love my 7900XT reference. I have mine overclocked to 2.85Ghz-2.95Ghz with the memory at 2700Mhz. Power usage maxes out at 355W now, but my performance jumped up by nearly 15% in most cases. This card is a beast, and I am super happy with its performance, which sits comfortably around the 4080.
I'd actually like to see a motherboard buyers' guide. I had an AMD motherboard failure last year and I'm still looking for a good replacement, but there's no concrete information on reliability.
Don't take a single failure as a general pattern. And nobody in the consumer review space has the dole to run 1000 of each motherboard 24/7 for a year to see which model/brand has the highest failure rate.
@@andersjjensen I don't. But then I hear people talking about how my specific model has a litany of problems and no clear answers on what's actually wrong or how to diagnose my issue. I'm sick of motherboard vendors throwing useless and mostly wrong information in my face and just want someone reliable to cut through the bullshit. I just want a motherboard that fucking works at this point, and I can't afford my usual method of just buying what looks good and seeing if it's DOA.
@@greyfade Hardware Unboxed has a couple of AM5 board roundups. IIRC both MSI and Gigabyte got good marks for their entry level options whereas Asrock and Asus had a few duds. It's a place to start and HUB Steve is as respected as GN Steve.
7900xtx here got it before 4 months for $850 ($990 with Tax) It's same class as 4080.. but it's 24GB compared to 16GB of 4080, also around 5% more fps overall Pure horsepower is like OC 4080 (5% faster) while RT performance is like 3080, which is decent With small Undervolt-OC.. I got like another 5% boost.. around 4080ti class (maybe near future).. it's like 85% of 4090 performance for half price I also managed to higher Undervolt-OC (from 5% to 10%.. but it was not stable in all games.. so yeah I won't count the high Undervolt-OC But getting 24GB VRAM card with 4080ti class for less.. is always a welcome.. am not paying $1600 ($2000 with Tax) for GPU for 15% fps boost
I bought the 7900xt on launch day for a grand lol because the xtx was sold out instantly. Price-performance was awful at launch, but it's really the best card right now price/performance wise. It's a great card for 1440p and even for 4k if you're not using UE5 games where it's a basic 1440p/60 card lol. Lords of the Fallen was something else lol. Raster performance is far above 4070TI, up to 10% more.
Grabbed a 7900XT on Prime day for £710, at that value it was around £70 cheaper than the cheapest 4070ti at the time and immediately the day after the prices went up by just over £100. Slowly they're starting to go back down but they're still at least £50 more expensive than they retailed for that day, and the 4070ti, at least from what I saw, never had that much of a price shift. It was a real deal, sold direct from Amazon themselves, it shipped the same day and it's in my PC working right now. I've never seen the price that low before or since. Wonder if Black Friday might knock it into the high £600s this time.
It'd be really great to see 2070 non-super in the comparison. I wonder if it's yet worth upgrading. The only thing that has kept me are the price increases, back in 2018 I managed to buy 2070 from a black friday sale for 450 euros ($365 without 24% VAT in 2018 dollars). It wasn't a big sale since it was new, only -50€ from full price, but the mid/high-end prices have skyrocketed since then.
The 2070 is still solid, but it’s definitely on the lower end for AAA games now. With that said, if willing to compromise fidelity, it’ll probably hang on a year or two more.
More and more, 16 gb vram just isnt enough for 4k on ultra settings which is insane and mostly due to games not carong to actually optimize. The worst is VR. I got the 20gb card and STILL cant run assetto corsa on the settings i want. Have to do like half or less of the resolution my headset is capable of, barely 60fps if that, MAYBE high setting if that and it still has stutters when you get up to speed or start cutting through too many cars. Its really disappointing that devs wont optimize there games, because these things could be done with half the vram they use now. And the even better thing about that is it freea up space for new things and we'd STILL have higher graphics and it would be smoother. An example of an atleast somewhat well optimized game is Dirt 2, even in VR, you can run the highest settings, high resolution and still have room in your vram.
I'm still rocking an RX 5700 XT with a ryzen 7 1700 overclocked to 4.1ghz, definitely feeling the old cpu struggle but he's done a fantastic job getting me this far, that mega luck in the silicon lottery has saved me a lot of money in the long run
Would love to see a 1070 revisit, still have mine and it is definitely showing its age with some games now for me but curious of what is really an upgrade vs what is just barely better
I used to have a 1070. It’s amazing how such an old card which costed 400 years ago has the same VRAM as the 400 dollar 4060ti 8GB today. I’ve seen many 1080ti revisits but 1070, 1070ti, 1080 not as much só would be interesting.
I went from a 1070 to a 6950xt when they were available, i5 12400f and 32gb of ram has been enough to play at 2k at high frame rates. I love the 6950xt but still wish it was closer to $500 when I bought it during the summer. Alas...
Went from a 6700xt to 7900xt and am finally getting the quality I wanted from 1440p games. Higher settings and very smooth frame rates where I felt I had to compromise a lot with my 6700xt.
I went from a 6700XT/1440p to an XTX/1440p. I was already getting 85-95FPS in all my games with the 6700XT with mixed settings and it looked good. With the XTX I have cranked up the visuals again until I get 85-95FPS which requires enabling (some) RT in a lot of titles.... and yes... things do look better. But considering I'm throwing 2.25x the performance (and 130W more) at it I'm actually not all that impressed. Back in the day throwing 30% more polygons at an object made it look significantly better. These days doubling the polygon count only just makes a difference. I will, however, say that enabling RT reflections in Cyberpunk was a wow moment. The rest of the effects don't look better. They just look different. But reflections make the city come alive.
@@amr.c1650definitely not This is a high end card by modern standards, standards set my Nvidia that AMD followed Edit: should it be this way? Probably not, but it's how it is and not enough complaing in the world will change it, our only hope is Intel being able to disrupt the market and force change, otherwise AMD and Nvidia will just continue act this way, they make way to much money to care
I am a day one dreamer who didn't have enough spare money and kept his old one for another season :) Good luck to you though, I still think I will end up with one just when the prices come down a little more. Great piece of kit, 100% want it. Nvidia offputting I see half their features as scam.
I ended up with a gigabyte gaming oc 4070 ti from my local best buy simply because they had an open box for $700. Cant really complain at that price, Im more than happy with it. Was gonna go with the 7900xt but couldnt pass that up
A revisit of the 6600 (non-XT) would be interesting to me. I got one last year and-although I doubt I'll really have the money to look at upgrading again right now-it would be very interesting to see where it stands at the moment.
you HAVE one, why do you need a third party to tell you how it stands? you can PLAY GAMES on it yourself and find out how it does. wtf is wrong with you people?
Even if you have one knowing where it stands in something like GN benchmarks can be useful (if you, say, plan to upgrade, or need to figure out system requirements that don't specifically mention RDNA2 cards.) and also 6600 non-XT had a very AMD overpriced launch MSRP and had been largely ignored by reviewers since. My feels are it's good value now, but if I, say, build something for a friend/family in that budget range, I'd like to have better data.
@@gozutheDJ What @nebufabu said covers a lot of it. A lot of their current charts show the 6600 XT, but not the non-XT. Trying to figure where my card might land-especially when they are showing data in regards to new games that I might be interested in-is more of a guessing game. That's also why I phrased it the way I did. It's not super important for me personally. I can guess where it would land. I can play a new game on lower settings that I might have liked if my guess isn't right. It's not critical by any measure. But it would be useful and interesting. They asked, and I gave my answer. But I also know the 6600-both versions-were widely purchased cards. The non-XT likely more so later in its lifecycle. That means the data could be more useful now than it was closer to launch. But the most salient point is that Steve specifically said they are revisiting cards, maybe even back to the 10xx series NVIDIA cards, and they want people's input. This was my input, stated in a way that makes it clear it's not super important. How that can possibly offend someone, I'll never know. But there, you got your reaction. Good job. Would you like a hug or a glass of warm milk to go with that? Actually, a hug sounds good.
@@nebufabu the data literally exists in their charts already. also i can tell you right now building a PC with an rx 6600 at this point in time is a terrible value at least in the US, as a quick search shows there isnt a single one under $200, and you can get a 6600xt for the same price or a 6650 xt for $30 more. but id spend a little closer to $300 and grab a 3060, DLSS features in that price range are absolutely unbeatable.
Very well timed article- thank you. I'm planning a new gaming PC and I'm slowly picking up parts. I want either a 7900XT or 7900XTX GPU depending on the pricing changes, to pair with a 7800X3D CPU. I had heard in a few articles that there may be an Nvidia Ti/Super refresh coming up on the 4000 series, which may soon push prices down on the AMD lineup further. Fingers crossed for Black Friday!
7800x3d might be overkill unless you plan on doing cpu intensive stuff. For gaming you can definitely get by with less. I have 7900xt and a 5800x cpu. I'm not bottlenecked at all by the cpu. Gpu is at 99% utilization in cp2077 and cpu sits around 60
@@TheRedOGRE I do some development and productivity stuff as well. I think the 7800X3D is a good balance for value. I also want to go Zen4/AM5 for futureproofing.
I'm a day one reference 7900XT owner and I've been very happy with it! But the price gap here in Norway has been completely different (for reference cards) so it made no sense to go XTX. When I got the 7900XT on launch the reference cards were ~1000usd, but the 7900XTX was ~2300usd. Sure I could get a non-reference XTX for ~1500usd, but it was not an option due to space constraints.
I'm curious how the RTX 3090 is stacked against the 40XX series, and I think a glance at the used market might help new PC builders save some serious cash if they're willing to forgo something new. Last I checked, the 3090 was going for $600-700 on eBay.
bought a hellhound 790xt. had insane coil whine, so I returned it to get another hellhound. had very very loud coil whine again, so I returned that card too and got a merc 310 xfx. the fans are a tad louder but I have no coil whine at all, very happy with the XFX
I picked up a Sapphire RX 7900XT Pulse for £700 back at the end of July (in the UK, if you didn't guess from the currency). I think they only sold them at that price for about 3 days before it went up to 730 and then back to 750 later. Right now it's hard to find any 7900XT below 800, the price seems to have locked there since the 7800XT came out.
I would love to see a video revisit on the 1080(not Ti), been thinking about an upgrade to the 7900xt for a while and would like to see how it stacks up
Generally, you should NOT upgrade every generation, and upgrade every other generation instead. Especially if you are going higher-end. If you have the money to spend, I would focus on the other parts of your build, like your monitor, desk, monitor arms, desk pad, keyboard etc. You experience the entirety of your computer through your monitor for example, and a sit-stand desk and a nicer chair can make using your computer way more enjoyable. You can even modify your current desk into a sit-stand one if you like your current desk top. But I am getting off topic. Every other gen is better than every gen, that way you can really feel and enjoy the improvement, and maybe even save up a bit for a higher model.
Well, if you sell your old card for about 300, then you're only spending about 400 plus tax. Thinking about it that way might make it worth it. Then, if next Gen you want that, you will have a newer card to sell and step up with..
It is important to remember, when talking about European prices, that our list prices include VAT, which in most countries is around 20% for this kind of product. In Spain, where I live, it's 21%.
@@GamersNexus I think you can't get them new. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think what he meant it's just in general a "budget gpu" that can still play games with decent FPS. 2070S performance for half the price, just because people have prejudice towards AMD cards.
I wish Canadian prices were anything remotely close to the US (even with the exchange rate). RX 7900XT is very hard to find, and going up to $1400, which is close to the XTX. The RTX4080, you're looking at close to $2000.
BTW, Seagate is doing the same thing with their prices. A couple of weeks ago, the 20TB drives were cheaper than they are this week. Pisses me off that companies do this kind of crap to their customers
Got a Sapphire Pulse on July for about $750 USD, I'm really happy with it since I play mainly on Linux and was upgrading from a 1060 6 GB and a 1080p to UW monitor. Thank you so much for this video as I was recently wondering how well does it perform rn after driver updates. Getting Starfield for free was a pretty nice bonus since I would have been very disappointed had I payed full price for that game.
In Canada GPU pricing yet again makes no sense. Newegg Canada shows the 7900xt and the 7900xtx at essentially the same price, between $1299 and $1499. I know there probably isn't that large an audience for it, but a video deep dive into why Canadian pricing is so wildly more expensive and in some cases nonsensical would be interesting to me, at least.
As a German I really like that you included some European/German data as well. Although it is usually not that complicated to compare US prices to EU it is still a welcome feature in your video.
@@user-ly8yn4uo6m video editing was my main concern and ive heard 7900xt crashes ALOT, and runs hot. so i went with 4070Super. 7900xt issue rate is 11%. too many risk to be worth it for me personally. if i could get a 7900xt card that had 99% guarantee to work perfectly i would have bought it
Have you been watching my search history? I've been looking at these 2 cards for the last few weeks and waiting for a BF deal. Thanks for the excellent video!
This review makes my PowerColor 7900 XT at $750 look like the right call, particularly since I got it months earlier. I need to go look at that receipt and make sure my memory is correct.
As asked at the end of the video: Which card do you want us to revisit next? 10 series, 20, 30, RX 5000, Vega -- name it and upvote each other on the most helpful suggestions and we'll take a look! (Also, prices are still in flux on the 7900 XT, so we gave thoughts on the $800 and $720-$750 prices!)
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How about the RX 6600 XT? I got mine for 220 USD
Or the RX 570 8GB model? It still hold up in some places last time I checked
I'd love to see how the 2080ti holds up especially as they are showing up on the used market, it has similar performance to the 3070 but extra vram, hpw does it stand vs a 4060ti/4060
6600
10 series please - from a 1070 and 1080ti owner
I love how before every black Friday, prices on items go up, so they can discount it back to its normal selling price, and call it a "Black Friday special".
Careful, your sarcasm is showing.
It's wicked isn't it what fantastic value, we will discount the additional 400% back down to 100%.
In the EU it is forbidden by law
Actually doesn't happen here. I mean, sure prices go up to come down, but they legally need to come down below what they were before the price hike.
The discount is real, although the % is still slightly inflated
Amazon prime day is guilty of this as well
Appreciate to see you also looking at EU prices! Keep up the great work.
Big thanks to Geizhals for helping us as they understand that market well!
@@GamersNexus yeah, I use them myself over here. Btw. did you check out what a “Geizhals” is ? 😀
Funny thing is that the prices on Geizhals are in 99% for german speaking customers, most retailers ship only inside germany. so for example if im not german and wish to buy a gpu, first i need to find a dealer thats willing to ship outside of germany, and those can usually be found at the bottom, with higher prices. Also Geizhals' history graph is taking the price from the cheapest vendor and its not averaging a price from all vendors - which would be more useful imo..
@@P3X967 'Geizhals' translates to 'cheapskate', so only using the cheapest data for the graph makes sense to native speakers. Also, while they don't serve the entire european market, they have listings from germany, austria, poland and the UK, although the focus is on germans potentially ordering from english/polish stores if they're cheaper.
I don't see the cheap prices on the site from the diagram
I really appreciate the collaboration with Geizhals for european prices. I definitely want to see more of this in the future!
It's still funny to see how the different brands is place totally differently than in the US. MSI and Asrock is generally the ones having the cheaper prices in the EU for computer parts.
Geizhals is the saviour of humanity.
all tech tubers are "constantly complaining about the prices of GPUs", there's a catch though - they all say stupid shit like "it must be 25 -50-100 bucks cheaper" BUT GPUs ARE OVERPRICED X3-4 TIMES! overprice is NOT 100, not even 200 bucks. its literally 3-4 TIMES!
GTX 980 Ti Die Size 601 mm2 2015 Launch Price 650USD
GTX 980 Die Size 398 mm2 15% slower 550 USD
GTX 970 Die Size 398 mm2 30% slower 330 USD
RTX 4090 Die Size 609 mm2 Launch Price 1600 USD
RTX 4080 Die Size 379 mm2 30% slower 1200 USD. its a xx70 card.
RTX 4090 must cost 600 bucks, its OVERPRICED 1000 DOLLARS. RTX 4080 must cost 300 bucks, its OVERPRICED 900 DOLLARS. 600 & 300 bucks are normal prices for such devices because TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS, mf-er, ever heard of it?
yeah, ngreedia can sell 4 times less GPUs for 4 times more money each and get the same profits, yet gamers will have 4 times less new faster GPUs and game devs don't make games for overpriced AF hardware, game devs make games for hardware that MOST people can afford to have a player base to sell games to. +most new GPUs have like 0 progress = thats how ngreedia is killing PC gaming with its overpriced x4 times crap.
when you buy a top overpriced AF GPU there will be minimal amount of games that actually need such GPUs. and most new "hard to run" games actually is boring AF crap with bad gameplay and stupid storylines. and YOU SUPPORT GREEDY AF CORPORATIONS AND DEATH OF PC GAMING through overprice.
and ayyymd isn't better - supporting overprice to sell more obsolete cheap-to-make high-margin ps5/xbox chips to sony/ms. ayyymd supports ngreedia overprice to push PC gamers buy crap consoles. and both corporations are making profits of slowing down technological progress. no progress = no price drops.
people really should ONLY get used GPUs and don't feed GREEDY AF corporations at this point.
and "tech tubers" are a sad joke with fish memory because they never seem to remember pre-mining prices, which is 2015, always comparing TO MINING PRICES WHEN GPUs LITERALLY WERE MONEY PRINTING MACHINES. THEY aren't anymore. GPUs are JUST GAMING DEVICES and MUST BE priced accordingly as such, 500-600 bucks MUST BE TOP GPU PRICES, xx70 class cards like "the 4080" MUST BE around 300 bucks just like pre-mining when NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED THAT CHEAP.
Geizhals is great! Have built so many PCs with their charts.
I second this wholeheartedly. It's so annoying to see charts sorted by USD, only to find that the items I'm most interested in are either not available here or a fuckton more expensive. Geizhals is not ideal though, as it's Germany-oriented, and hardware is loads cheaper in Germany.
I think a revisit and a farewell to the 1080Ti (and 1000 series) would be highly appreciated by the community.
I'm still using a EVGA FTW3 1080ti. I want to upgrade, but the current pricing is nuts. It looks like I will be considering an AMD card this time. Nvidia has lost their minds.
Who would have thought that would be the best card for the money for nearly a decade.
@@tank2402they haven't lost their minds. Theyve seen the money that idiotic consumers are throwing and are chasing it.
One game most of us never heard of doesn't mean our 10 series cards are dead. Not every game will use the mesh shader thing. Or other technology that older cards aren't compatible with. Understand that graphics don't make a good game. My favorite game lately has 10+ year old graphics (they were enhanced but not overhauled) and looks great still. Mw2022 ran... On my GTX 950. That's all I can say there, but it ran. If you NEED to play Allen wake 2 with old hardware buy a month of game pass ultimate pc and play on the cloud if you have good with Internet
I just upgraded to a Vega 64 Nitro+ because I need my RX 580 for a project. Both cards are still fine and enough for me. As a bonus Vega 64 consumes just 3 watts in idle instead of 25, probably because of the HBM2 memory (RX 580 memory does not clock down with 2 monitors and is fed by the GPU VRMs iirc). :)
Thank you for revisiting this, i really wanted to see it.
A lot of people requested it in our news episode a couple weeks ago! Here it is!
Same here
all tech tubers are "constantly complaining about the prices of GPUs", there's a catch though - they all say stupid shit like "it must be 25 -50-100 bucks cheaper" BUT GPUs ARE OVERPRICED X3-4 TIMES! overprice is NOT 100, not even 200 bucks. its literally 3-4 TIMES!
GTX 980 Ti Die Size 601 mm2 2015 Launch Price 650USD
GTX 980 Die Size 398 mm2 15% slower 550 USD
GTX 970 Die Size 398 mm2 30% slower 330 USD
RTX 4090 Die Size 609 mm2 Launch Price 1600 USD
RTX 4080 Die Size 379 mm2 30% slower 1200 USD. its a xx70 card.
RTX 4090 must cost 600 bucks, its OVERPRICED 1000 DOLLARS. RTX 4080 must cost 300 bucks, its OVERPRICED 900 DOLLARS. 600 & 300 bucks are normal prices for such devices because TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS, mf-er, ever heard of it?
yeah, ngreedia can sell 4 times less GPUs for 4 times more money each and get the same profits, yet gamers will have 4 times less new faster GPUs and game devs don't make games for overpriced AF hardware, game devs make games for hardware that MOST people can afford to have a player base to sell games to. +most new GPUs have like 0 progress = thats how ngreedia is killing PC gaming with its overpriced x4 times crap.
when you buy a top overpriced AF GPU there will be minimal amount of games that actually need such GPUs. and most new "hard to run" games actually is boring AF crap with bad gameplay and stupid storylines. and YOU SUPPORT GREEDY AF CORPORATIONS AND DEATH OF PC GAMING through overprice.
and ayyymd isn't better - supporting overprice to sell more obsolete cheap-to-make high-margin ps5/xbox chips to sony/ms. ayyymd supports ngreedia overprice to push PC gamers buy crap consoles. and both corporations are making profits of slowing down technological progress. no progress = no price drops.
people really should ONLY get used GPUs and don't feed GREEDY AF corporations at this point.
and "tech tubers" are a sad joke with fish memory because they never seem to remember pre-mining prices, which is 2015, always comparing TO MINING PRICES WHEN GPUs LITERALLY WERE MONEY PRINTING MACHINES. THEY aren't anymore. GPUs are JUST GAMING DEVICES and MUST BE priced accordingly as such, 500-600 bucks MUST BE TOP GPU PRICES, xx70 class cards like "the 4080" MUST BE around 300 bucks just like pre-mining when NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED THAT CHEAP.
I just picked up a power color RX 7900 XTX for $231 today used because the guy said he prefers Nvidias drivers. I'm beyond excited for my new build. The PC I'm using right now has a single core I7 with a 1080ti and 32gb of ram. My buddy knew I desperately needed a computer and gave me his old rig a few years ago. Thank you, Rick! However, this rig is obviously getting long in the tooth, so I've been looking to build a new one. Since I scored an RX 7900 XTX 24GB power color GPU today for such a great deal, I'll be picking up a Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU and 64GB of DDR5. Talk about a massive upgrade! I should be good for quite a while.
Love seeing follow up vids when the market changes. Shows your dedication to the community and that you're not just aiming for clicks.
For those looking at the 7900 XT Hellhound, Micro Center is still selling them at $750, and it looks to be available in most locations. I bought the last one at my local store on Sunday, but it seems they have restocked a few more units since then.
I recommend waiting till black Friday I have no doubt there will be some cards for 699
Hi, nice video. Could you do a re-
review of 7900XTX with comparison of different AIB's ( and models ) - temps and noise ? Keep up the good work. As someone from Poland I really appreciate that you are starting to include prices in EU. VAT in EU makes for us some of the models extremely expensive.
I would like to do a revisit of the top 10 most used cards on Steam survey. Like 3060, 1060, 1660 and so on. That would be a great video showing how those cards perform today and how big gains would be if moved to current gpu generation.
But that info is already readily available, within some of GN's own benchmarks...It is largely just you wanting their presentation of it but offers little in the way of new information.
@@MDxGanofor someone to find that information they’d have to watch ALL of the current gen GPU videos, or GN can make even MORE money and views by making another video that people seem to be interest in…
Yes please. A presentation on 10 series. 😊
LOL
@@Gdhttu stop being lazy
I'd really love to check out AMD cards, but as a Blender user, OptiX is just too powerful and AMD isn't keeping up.
Unsurprising - CUDA-based stuff has always been the most mature and adopted. Works better for RIFE interpolation too.
I still feel like by the time you're spending $1100 on a GPU, you're bound to get caught in the upsell scenario and end up with a 4090, and it's probably worth it. You get a lot more value for your money there imo.
I bought my 7900xt by XFX for $775 back in March and I have loved it. For that price, it has been an amazing GPU.
Iam constantly building computers for friends with 6600-6650xts and 3060tis and other cards in that rough price point. I would greatly appreciate a performance breakdown across modern titles with this 200-400 price range
You already know it... AMD wins practically every time at the entry level because RT is useless at this performance tier and DLSS Quality is uglier at 1080p than turning down settings (I hate calling $400 entry level, but it is what it is).
At $400 the 6800 is the bees knees while it lasts. Precisely as fast as the 7700XT, has 16GB, only uses 5W more but is $50 cheaper. Against the $400 3070 it's 10% faster and 8GB at this price is a joke nobody's laughing at.
At $320 the 6700XT is 5% faster than the $330 3060ti but 12GB vs 8GB.
At $240 for the 6650XT and $260 for the 3060 12GB it's a little less straight forward as the 6650XT is 17% faster but the 3060 has 12GB. Had the 6650XT been $220 I would have handed AMD this one, but as it stands it's simply a matter of preference between performance or longevity. I personally lean towards cranking texture quality up, and other settings down, so I think the $20 for 4GB more is worth it. But $40 for 4GB and a performance hit would be a sour deal at this price point.
At $200 for the 6600 Nvidia simply doesn't have an answer. It's 26% faster than the $180 3050 at a performance tier where 26% is a big effing deal. The 3050 is worth precisely $150 and not a single cent more.
Now, some will argue that the 6800/3070 are 1440p GPUs so DLSS is an argument, but I'll point to recent game releases where even 1440p Low with DLSS Quality is a mouthful for the 3070, and thus state that anyone buying last gen right now need to step a resolution notch down compared to how they were originally marketed, unless they want to be sorry in short order.
(All performance numbers are from the Techpowerup's GPU database which generally lines up for raster with Hardware Unboxed's 50+ game benchmark averages)
@andersjjensen Agree. I had to buy a new GPU after years on the sidelines. Did the math, performance per dollar, and ended up with a $160 6600, which was great. The bang for the buck was ridiculous. Currently running a $300 6700XT and getting terrific performance out of it. I don't think Nvidia even cares about being a good value any more when they can make mega profits no matter what they sell. Meanwhile AMD cards are in a sweet spot in many cases. I'm getting over 120fps 1080P maxed out in Starfield. Whatever I am not getting out of this card I am also not missing at all.
@@LatitudeSky A 6700XT for 1080p Native is a banger that's going to last a good while. I upgraded my RX580 at 1080p to a 6700XT at 1440p during the pandemic/crypto plague because work from home became a thing, and I was not going to stare at text at 1080p for 8 hours a day. I knew full well that the 6700XT at 1440p would only work as a stop-gap but at bloody $800 bucks I was not willing to go bigger. Now I've replaced it with an XTX but I'm going to stay on 1440p for at least a decade.
@@andersjjensen And those friends don't usually have a clue about GPUs in any way, and have trouble adjusting anything in the graphics settings other than resolution(besides audio). Unless a game has RT and DLSS/FSR turned on by default, they will NEVER use it.
@@andersjjensen the 6800 is not 10% faster than a 3070.... it's more than that
a 6800 beats a 3070ti
I bought the XFX Speedster Merc 310 7900 XT when it was on sale for Prime Day for $700 and I couldn't be happier. Upgraded from a 6700 XT and this is overkill for 1440p/144 on everything and that's the way I like it lol. Now time to upgrade the display.
aaa stop tempting me
I really feel like doing that same upgrade so that my VR games will run better
Oh god warning you now if you go 4k or ultrawide you'll be chasing a $1000usd GPU every other year
I picked mine up at 775 with 100$ free copy of starfield which I was going to buy anyway. So 675 is a killer deal. Love the card! Also another thing that should be factored in is a 7900 xt will work with a 750w but better with 850w psu but a 7900 xtx needs 1000watt psu. So that adds another 200 for the upgrade, and is why I went with the 7900 xt. does 4k really well and crushes 1440p. I also got a 4080 for same reason, 600 more for 4090 plus 200 for new PSU meaning 800 more for 25% more fps when the 4080 crushes everything already especially with dlss. Wait for the comments from people bad with money to say "if you can buy a 4080 you can buy a 4090" lol Not true and also Don't care about having 180 fps when the 4080 gets 150-160 in the same game, Less power draw, less heat, for less money to upgrade=WIN.
Hey bro what were your frame rates at 1440p res? We’re you using the highest setting available and what games do you frequent. Ofc if you don’t mind me asking.
Yeah my 7900xt is great. Kills every game
Picked up an open box Hellhound today at MC for $650 after struggling with unacceptable coil whine on 3 different 4070 Supers. This card runs amazing and the value on this open box model is unbeatable. Thanks for all that you guys do on these reviews.
$750 would have been a great base point for a RX7900 XT, and the RX7800 XT at around $500 is a nice place point in the tiers
7900s are doing so well in DaVinci Resolve RAW video work they don't need the help of gamers to sell a lot of cards unfortunately. 7900XTX is the best consumer GPU for that, and the only better card is an AMD workstation card which is hard to find.
Agreed. 720-750 made me seriously consider snagging a 7900xt, oh well.
Think I'm going to skip this generation.
@@UncleButterworth The 7900XT will be back to 720 soon
@sammiller6631 yeah in February but by that point it's 650ish card becuse the next Gen will not be to far away
@@UncleButterworth I just bought a 3090 for that price. The RDNA3 card makes it look like a joke but AMD cards aren't as AI capable but it beats the 4080 for half its price. Probably the best value of any RDNA card.
Appreciate the revisit. I bought a Hellhound back when AMD still had driver issues, wound up returning it. This summer I read that most of those had been addressed and lucked out with a Sapphire Pulse for $719 on sale. While the driver issues seem to be a thing of the past, my impression is the Pulse is a bit hotter and slower than the Hellhound... wish I had saved some of my benchmark runs! Very happy with this card at the price I paid. I'm seeing a lot of tech prices going up right now, probably so they don't have to discount as much to make things look enticing on Black Friday. Hopefully these will settle to the sub - $750 range after the holiday.
How’s it going with the pulse just got it and crashing with halldivers 2
@@clarkkentll5490 Working great. I'm on Adrenaline 24.1.1, but I can't say I've played that particular game. I do get some stuttering when I record using the Adrenaline software, but the Windows Game Bar does just fine. My only real complaint is that I'm considering a custom water loop and I've only seen one GPU water block.
@@clarkkentll5490 Still happy with it. I'm on 24.1.1 and have no gaming issues at all, though I haven't played that particular game. I did have some Starfield crashes early on, but I traced those to a bad memory stick (Turned out they were system crashes, not GPU crashes). I wouldn't recommend it to content creators or people doing video editing however. Using the Adrenaline video capture software I get some stuttering, and certain rendering software can behave.. erratically using hardware acceleration (colors shifting, that sort of thing). Video capture using Windows game bar or OBS works perfectly though, and I don't do enough editing to look for another solution.. I just turn off hardware acceleration.
I would love for you guys to do a 1080 Ti revisit, both to see how it stacks up against the competition today and to look at what current cards make the most sense as an upgrade
Each day it is getting worse because new games use features that 1080ti does not support. A couple of more years and 1080ti is for legacy games only.
Check A580 GPU review from two weeks ago, there is also 1080ti in the test.
Also any test from last years will be valid as Nvidia doesn't really increase performance for older models.
I second this. It would be cool to see how the flagship from 6 years ago stacks up to the current line-up.
I've been running the 7900XT Hellhound since around June, and it's been an absolute gem. Best card I ever bought.
But witch tragic Ray Tracing. Only for old games.
@@TFXZG you dumb 🤣
@@TFXZGnobody gives a fuck about ray tracing
Any issues with coil whine?
I should hope so. Why would you buy a card that was worse than your current GPU?
I recently picked up a 6950xt for $630 and paired it with a 7800x3d and boy am I happy! Excellent performance on 1440p and even 4k runs great on most of the titles I play. Don't care about ray tracing or streaming so it's a no brainer.
I have a 2080 that's on the way out. I'm saving for its replacement. I simrace in VR and I was hoping to go in around the 4080 level so this was an excellent video for me. I'd love to see 20-series cards in the revisits. Cheers.
@@ThrowAway-md9zx On a 2080 as well. It will run games but on 1440p I am turning off a lot of settings to get an acceptable frame rate... or just having to accept a bad one. The card doesn't hold much value these days and new cards are expensive. Still got my 5-ish years out of it though.
I have been an Nvidia guy forever but the AMD cards are looking quite good price wise. I was looking at a 4080 and it crazy how much it costs here in Canada.
Ampere cards are doing good in price these days, they're near original msrp.
6950XT is very good for VR at its current price. You're not likely to get a better option for a long time. VR seems to play really well with its extra large cache and bandwidth is much better than anything 4xxx offers - unless you're willing to pay double.
If you can still snag a 6950XT, that's killer value for VR.
I have two systems with a 6800XT and 7900XTX for VR and I'm extremely happy with the performance. It's been a great time for a nearly daily driver.
Back near the end of July this year, prices in Europe dropped to 800 euros for several models for just a couple of days. It flew of the shelves and many stores who participated cleaned out their inventory very quickly. Got a Sapphire Pulse back then, very happy with it so far.
I'm also very happy with my sapphire pulse 7900xt I got for 749usd
which country you're living ?
in my country RTX 4070 ti is still cheaper than 7900xt, market is so dumb
I also have sapphire 7900xt pulse. But it keeps on crashing with green screen. I don't know what i did wrong, or it just faulty card from Mindfactory.
Same problem on a merc 6950xt past year. Was a faulty one. Sent back and refunded. @@mohitkumarrai7212
i got a xfx merc for 850 in april(germany) which was pretty good tbh.
you cant really translate the german prices with us prices though because you need to subtract the 19% mwst, convert to usd and add US sales tax lol
Sold my RTX 3090 TI for £1050 and picked up an XFX RX 6950 XT Merc for £569 in the UK. I think that was the last of the stock from the store I bought it from. Happy to get nearly £500 back my way for similar performance. Seems to be a good card so far. Shame that they are stopping making them.
got the power color for $699 at micro center holding strong af at 1440p 170Hz. Definitely better than my RTX 4070. having the extra VRAM is worth it especially while watching videos or movies while gaming. It pair well with my Ryzen 5800x @ 4.75GH,32GB RAM 2733MHZ, MSI Gaming Edge Wifi, and 1000W EVGA GT PSU
You should ask Santa for a nice little RAM upgrade. 🎅
I think doing a full revisit of the 6700xt could be beneficial.
Only a few months back it felt like literally every tech channel I perused was mentioning how it was the absolute best value card to get at that time, and then the stock for it started getting drained and the price began creeping back up. So I imagine a lot of folks might have heeded those words and went and picked it up for themselves around then.
the 6700xt is still at the ~300USD pricing with the lowest models going for 309USD, yeah it's a great card and luckily it still is available for a great price.
Would you recommend it at the $300 to 350 range for 1440p 144hz?
@@Tuchulu That's the exact resolution and refresh rate my monitor is at and I think it's a good card for that. It's not gonna hit 144 fps in demanding games but it'll get there in older games as well as esports games. I did have a 6700 xt but just wanted more frames so I did eventually upgrade and the person I gave it to loves it. They were coming from a 1060 6gb and they could basically get the same framerates they had in 1080p but now in 1440p.
@@Tuchulu Well, if you're willing to use AFMF / FSR or play older games maybe, but if you want to play the newest most demanding games at native resolution then you'd really want more horsepower, like a 7800xt or a 6950xt or 7900xtx. For reference, even a 4090 doesn't hold 144hz in 1440p in all games, my 7900xtx nitro+ does a pretty good job but games like immortals of aveum at 1440p ultra tend to sit around 120 fps. 6700xt is like a good 1440p 60 fps card in more demanding games or 1080p 150hz card these days.
@@TuchuluI think Daniel Owen posted a 6800 in that price range yesterday on sale. May want to check that out
Picked up a 7900xt on amazon for 670 the other day. Doing my first pc build.
Niceee
Grabbed the same 7900XT hellhound for $630. Crazy good value and very happy with it
Buy Ukrainian made motherboards only
I managed to snag an open box RX 6950xt for $570 at microcenter a month ago. I think I did good on that find. I’d love to see RX5600 XT in a revisit.
I love my 7900xt. Got it for $690 a couple months ago and literally no issues so far. I didn’t even have to upgrade my 750 watt powersupply
I scored a used 3090 for $600 about six months ago. I know its performance wasn't far from the 3080 at launch, but I'm curious if that's changed now that VRAM requirements are starting to blow up in an ugly way, so I'd love to see that back in some charts.
That's an interesting point. The 3080 was gimped on purpose.
admit it, you wiggled underneath the car and stole that 3090.
I also got a used one for that price. After some months it stopped working and I assumed it was dead but after a month or so it came back to life again. Strange card.
Thanks a lot for also trying to give a price summary for Europe, most reviewers don't really want to be bothered with this, but the EU market is very different with included taxing and other costs imposed on distributors. This means that we usually have very different picks for price/performance and availability of certain models. I hope you can continue doing this in regular reviews! If you just look at AMD's own website and their own pricing on it; the 7900XT is still listed as 930 ish, depending on the tax/country, but it's still insane,
XT has been on sale for 730€ now, we're finally getting there
would love to see a 5700XT vs 6600 revisit, as these have been considered top budget choices for quite a while, so it would be interesting to see how they fare vs the latest games like alan wake. It would be cool to see the 7600 in there as well, as I fully expect it to replace these cards as the budget pick. You could even throw the 6700XT in there as that is usually the "stretched budget" recommend and like the other cards regularly experiences significant price fluctuation in the used/open-box market.
5700xt is awful, one of amds worst products through the years. I hear everything else they’ve made since 6000 series has been solid tho
I got my 7900xt Sapphire Pulse for $769 back in August ; I love it.
Anyone else here after picking this up for $600 on Black Friday 😅
13:06 those frequency graphs are pretty unfortunate. It's not always necessary to start at 0 of y-axis and show entire startup transition that has no meaning.
Still happy with my 6700XT 12GB from ASRock. Don't think i'll be upgrading until newer GPU's come down in price further.
I have the 6750XT with the 5800x3d, it’s been perfect.
Good evening Sir, I build a PC in 2020 ish with an nvidia gtx 1660 super after studying your videos I'm thinking of updating to the AMD RX 6800 XT. I'm hoping to find a nice special on the 7900 XT but even if it drops to $700 I think its a little too expensive. Thank you for your videos, it so fun watching you talk about computers.
I found the xfx 7900xt for 750$ back in August and at the beginning I was hesitant because of the RT especially in cyberpunk… but I pulled the trigger and honestly I was shocked to see how good the game looks and how smoother it feels at 1440p max settings (no RT and no FSR) vs the RT and FSR ON.
hows it in 4k? its a 4k card
@@Drippinonyou High refresh unlimited 1440p is better and smarter for gaming than sub 100 FPS at 4k visuals.
I bought the 7900XT Taichi for 800. I’m very happy with my purchase. This thing is a beast of a card and the Taichi edition is super high quality.
i would love to see a revisit of the 10 series as i still see quite a few 1080 and 1080 ti still in use with their 8gb and 11 gb still being in the recommended for most games
I really love that you guys bothered with the European pricing on this video! Thank you so much!
Glad I'm early enough to beat most of the comments but not early enough to get that $720 pricing. I should've watched this two weeks before it came out.
That's true. A time machine would make this WAY easier! And you'd get better deals!
The XFX 7900 XT is 750 USD on Amazon right now.
Got my 6950XT for €670 back in September. 7800xt at launch wasn't even close to that price so there was no contest.
I bought this exact hellhound model back in July for $550 with an amazon CC promotion and have been incredibly happy with it. Jumping from an RTX2060 to this RX7900XT has been eye opening. Thanks for revisiting this card, I've been curious on what people think of it since the prices have been dropping.
Got one for $650 and thought it was the best deal ever. You got me.
@@slim420-e8v $650 is a steal! Technically mine was 750, just with 200 credit applied for signing up for a stupid credit card I'll probably close out soon. Certainly helped talk the wife into it haha
Rx7900xt should be almost 4x faster than rtx2060 . Must be nice .
@@skywalker1991 it was definitely a big jump. DLSS was keeping my rtx2060 alive but it struggled in some games. I've never had anything other than budget computer stuff before so it is a good feeling.
I actually got my 7900xt for $615 on black friday. So that was a win.
I would love to see a comparison of the top end consumer cards from the last several generations. Say, 10x0 series and up for nVidia, and the AMD equivalents (Though AMD did not have a 1080Ti competitor at that time). And by consumer, I mean non-titan class cards.
5700XT is the contender for the 1080ti, the 2000 series was a joke and I will continue pretending it never existed
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 Yeah, I have a 5700 XT. But it came out like 2 years after the 1080Ti. But performance wise is slightly faster.
Thank you for devoting so little time and chart space to the gimmick that is ray tracing, which is utterly irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of games and gaming experiences. Most of the media can't resist the allure of devoting huge amounts of space to the latest buzz words, and I have greater respect for you all being clear on what it is and isn't.
Would really like to see a revisit of the Vega 56 and 64 cards, as I always found them really interesting and used a Vega 64 myself
And Radeon 7.
Well, my 6800 xt died this past week, and thanks to this video, it made me feel good about my purchase of a 7900 xt at $750 for a XFX Merc 310 7900 xt (originally bought a 7800 xt for troubleshooting, but that will be sold to a friend at cost). Thanks Steve and GN
I got my 7900XT Pulse at £799 when the XTX Pulse was £1050 about 6 months ago, so felt like that was an okay deal. The reference was £749 at the time.
Honestly I'm not convinced by FSR 3 being an architectural advancement over FSR 2. 6950 Xt's can be had for under £700. I mean 20GB of VRAM, hmm, I hope it ages well, unless AI really moves the market in performance.
which country you're living ?
in my country RTX 4070 ti is cheaper than RTX 7900XT, market is so dumb
@@Aarlodwhere are you finding an RTX 7900 XT 😂
@@Gdhttu typo. my bad. is RX 7900XT
@@Gdhttu is RX not RTX hahaha, my bad
Thanks Steve. I really appreciate the look at thermals and commentary there. I picked up a this card from Microcenter for $750 and had it fail (unclear if bad card or bad PSU). Luckily I was within the return window and got a replacement. So far *knocks on wood* this new card has been working. However, I've been watching temperatures like a hawk. I've been seeing hotspot in the mid to upper 80s with edge in mid 60s. I hadn't been able to find anything stating safe temperatures. So, I really appreciate your commentary that similar temperatures are fine. It helps put my mind at ease.
Would have been nice to see the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX benched with Smart Access Memory turned on using a 7800X3d CPU. I guarantee the fps would be much higher.
you know you can compare it yourself, right? just open second youtube window.. lol
Also should've at least mentioned the potential downsides to going with a 6950xt over a 7900xt, which there are some despite it's amazing raw performance. Things such as it's very high power draw, less vram, no AV1, worse RT performance to name a few. Some more user specific issues could include drivers, I know for myself, the 6000 series for whatever reason (happened on two 6800's and a 6700xt) the drivers were pretty rough. Any issues I had were gone with my 7800xt
I just upgraded to both (though I have ASRock) and I do get better FPS
yeah drivers on AMD always sucekd since RDNA1 @@pcmasterracetechgod5660
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 If you already the potential downsides to going with a 6950xt over a 7900xt, why do you need to be re-told them?
I feel like many people hopped on the RTX 2060 train, especially since it was one of the latest "kind of affordable" card before the crypto rush. And in fact, it's currently the 3rd most used card on Steam, after the 3060 and the 1650 ; and the only RTX 20 series card making it to the top 20. Doing a revisit would be interesting!
What a great, great video! You hit the perfect mix of charts and benchmarks. I was wondering how my RX 6700 XT I got recently for 250 € second-hand fares against the newer and more expensive models from both AMD and nVidia in terms of performance, power consumption, and this answered it.
Got my merc 7900 xt on prime day this October for 699. Was amazing for that price point!
Would love to see RTX 2060 Super and RX 5700 XT re-tested, they were the last 'good-ish value' cards out.
Also, thanks again for looking into EU pricing.
I love my 7900XT reference. I have mine overclocked to 2.85Ghz-2.95Ghz with the memory at 2700Mhz. Power usage maxes out at 355W now, but my performance jumped up by nearly 15% in most cases. This card is a beast, and I am super happy with its performance, which sits comfortably around the 4080.
above the 4080 lol turn on AFMF now above 4090.
I'd actually like to see a motherboard buyers' guide. I had an AMD motherboard failure last year and I'm still looking for a good replacement, but there's no concrete information on reliability.
Don't take a single failure as a general pattern. And nobody in the consumer review space has the dole to run 1000 of each motherboard 24/7 for a year to see which model/brand has the highest failure rate.
@@andersjjensen I don't. But then I hear people talking about how my specific model has a litany of problems and no clear answers on what's actually wrong or how to diagnose my issue.
I'm sick of motherboard vendors throwing useless and mostly wrong information in my face and just want someone reliable to cut through the bullshit. I just want a motherboard that fucking works at this point, and I can't afford my usual method of just buying what looks good and seeing if it's DOA.
@@greyfade Hardware Unboxed has a couple of AM5 board roundups. IIRC both MSI and Gigabyte got good marks for their entry level options whereas Asrock and Asus had a few duds. It's a place to start and HUB Steve is as respected as GN Steve.
@@andersjjensen Thanks
7900xtx here got it before 4 months for $850 ($990 with Tax)
It's same class as 4080.. but it's 24GB compared to 16GB of 4080, also around 5% more fps overall
Pure horsepower is like OC 4080 (5% faster) while RT performance is like 3080, which is decent
With small Undervolt-OC.. I got like another 5% boost.. around 4080ti class (maybe near future).. it's like 85% of 4090 performance for half price
I also managed to higher Undervolt-OC (from 5% to 10%.. but it was not stable in all games.. so yeah I won't count the high Undervolt-OC
But getting 24GB VRAM card with 4080ti class for less.. is always a welcome.. am not paying $1600 ($2000 with Tax) for GPU for 15% fps boost
Picked this up today for $640!
I bought the 7900xt on launch day for a grand lol because the xtx was sold out instantly. Price-performance was awful at launch, but it's really the best card right now price/performance wise.
It's a great card for 1440p and even for 4k if you're not using UE5 games where it's a basic 1440p/60 card lol. Lords of the Fallen was something else lol.
Raster performance is far above 4070TI, up to 10% more.
1080Ti revisit would be certainly interesting considering it was such a good value card at the time.
I love my 1080 Ti. It's so good. It's crazy to see what happened to the GPU landscape since then.
It's still amazing value. Even with inflated eBay prices you can get them cheap.
Grabbed a 7900XT on Prime day for £710, at that value it was around £70 cheaper than the cheapest 4070ti at the time and immediately the day after the prices went up by just over £100. Slowly they're starting to go back down but they're still at least £50 more expensive than they retailed for that day, and the 4070ti, at least from what I saw, never had that much of a price shift. It was a real deal, sold direct from Amazon themselves, it shipped the same day and it's in my PC working right now. I've never seen the price that low before or since. Wonder if Black Friday might knock it into the high £600s this time.
Just got one for around 800 usd. Which was 1109 cad. Very happy with the gpu so far.
It'd be really great to see 2070 non-super in the comparison. I wonder if it's yet worth upgrading. The only thing that has kept me are the price increases, back in 2018 I managed to buy 2070 from a black friday sale for 450 euros ($365 without 24% VAT in 2018 dollars). It wasn't a big sale since it was new, only -50€ from full price, but the mid/high-end prices have skyrocketed since then.
my 2070 still holding on well to play latest AAA game, only starfield stupid lazy optimization that hinder its performance
The 2070 is still solid, but it’s definitely on the lower end for AAA games now. With that said, if willing to compromise fidelity, it’ll probably hang on a year or two more.
Just scored an open box 7900XTX liquid devil from microcenter for just over $1100 with tax. Nice to see AMD throwing it's weight around now
That's a nice card.
More and more, 16 gb vram just isnt enough for 4k on ultra settings which is insane and mostly due to games not carong to actually optimize. The worst is VR. I got the 20gb card and STILL cant run assetto corsa on the settings i want. Have to do like half or less of the resolution my headset is capable of, barely 60fps if that, MAYBE high setting if that and it still has stutters when you get up to speed or start cutting through too many cars. Its really disappointing that devs wont optimize there games, because these things could be done with half the vram they use now. And the even better thing about that is it freea up space for new things and we'd STILL have higher graphics and it would be smoother. An example of an atleast somewhat well optimized game is Dirt 2, even in VR, you can run the highest settings, high resolution and still have room in your vram.
I'm still rocking an RX 5700 XT with a ryzen 7 1700 overclocked to 4.1ghz, definitely feeling the old cpu struggle but he's done a fantastic job getting me this far, that mega luck in the silicon lottery has saved me a lot of money in the long run
Would love to see a 1070 revisit, still have mine and it is definitely showing its age with some games now for me but curious of what is really an upgrade vs what is just barely better
Same I'm with 1070ti and I don't know which card to pick to upgrade confused😅
I used to have a 1070. It’s amazing how such an old card which costed 400 years ago has the same VRAM as the 400 dollar 4060ti 8GB today. I’ve seen many 1080ti revisits but 1070, 1070ti, 1080 not as much só would be interesting.
I went from a 1070 to a 6950xt when they were available, i5 12400f and 32gb of ram has been enough to play at 2k at high frame rates. I love the 6950xt but still wish it was closer to $500 when I bought it during the summer. Alas...
Went from a 6700xt to 7900xt and am finally getting the quality I wanted from 1440p games. Higher settings and very smooth frame rates where I felt I had to compromise a lot with my 6700xt.
I went from a 6700XT/1440p to an XTX/1440p. I was already getting 85-95FPS in all my games with the 6700XT with mixed settings and it looked good. With the XTX I have cranked up the visuals again until I get 85-95FPS which requires enabling (some) RT in a lot of titles.... and yes... things do look better. But considering I'm throwing 2.25x the performance (and 130W more) at it I'm actually not all that impressed. Back in the day throwing 30% more polygons at an object made it look significantly better. These days doubling the polygon count only just makes a difference.
I will, however, say that enabling RT reflections in Cyberpunk was a wow moment. The rest of the effects don't look better. They just look different. But reflections make the city come alive.
I’m a day one reference 7900xt owner and I love it. The gap cost wise between it and the 7900xtx was larger in Canada so it made sense to buy.
You were tricked into spending flagship money for a high end card and still think it was worth it. Marketing is scary.
@@amr.c1650definitely not
This is a high end card by modern standards, standards set my Nvidia that AMD followed
Edit: should it be this way? Probably not, but it's how it is and not enough complaing in the world will change it, our only hope is Intel being able to disrupt the market and force change, otherwise AMD and Nvidia will just continue act this way, they make way to much money to care
Lmao the price difference was $100. Tf?
@@flamingscar5263 just don't buy shit products.
I am a day one dreamer who didn't have enough spare money and kept his old one for another season :) Good luck to you though, I still think I will end up with one just when the prices come down a little more. Great piece of kit, 100% want it. Nvidia offputting I see half their features as scam.
I purchased my RX 7900XT Red Devil refurbished feom Amazon for $580. About 6 months ago. I'm glad i picked it up! Amazing card!
I ended up with a gigabyte gaming oc 4070 ti from my local best buy simply because they had an open box for $700. Cant really complain at that price, Im more than happy with it. Was gonna go with the 7900xt but couldnt pass that up
Steve right now you can get a 7900 XT XFX for 739.00 it's a Black Friday deal at Best Buy it's been going on for about a week
A revisit of the 6600 (non-XT) would be interesting to me. I got one last year and-although I doubt I'll really have the money to look at upgrading again right now-it would be very interesting to see where it stands at the moment.
Agreed, that would be interesting, especially now when we actually had next-gen cards roughly in the same class for a while.
you HAVE one, why do you need a third party to tell you how it stands? you can PLAY GAMES on it yourself and find out how it does. wtf is wrong with you people?
Even if you have one knowing where it stands in something like GN benchmarks can be useful (if you, say, plan to upgrade, or need to figure out system requirements that don't specifically mention RDNA2 cards.) and also 6600 non-XT had a very AMD overpriced launch MSRP and had been largely ignored by reviewers since. My feels are it's good value now, but if I, say, build something for a friend/family in that budget range, I'd like to have better data.
@@gozutheDJ What @nebufabu said covers a lot of it. A lot of their current charts show the 6600 XT, but not the non-XT. Trying to figure where my card might land-especially when they are showing data in regards to new games that I might be interested in-is more of a guessing game.
That's also why I phrased it the way I did. It's not super important for me personally. I can guess where it would land. I can play a new game on lower settings that I might have liked if my guess isn't right. It's not critical by any measure. But it would be useful and interesting. They asked, and I gave my answer. But I also know the 6600-both versions-were widely purchased cards. The non-XT likely more so later in its lifecycle. That means the data could be more useful now than it was closer to launch.
But the most salient point is that Steve specifically said they are revisiting cards, maybe even back to the 10xx series NVIDIA cards, and they want people's input. This was my input, stated in a way that makes it clear it's not super important. How that can possibly offend someone, I'll never know. But there, you got your reaction. Good job. Would you like a hug or a glass of warm milk to go with that? Actually, a hug sounds good.
@@nebufabu the data literally exists in their charts already.
also i can tell you right now building a PC with an rx 6600 at this point in time is a terrible value at least in the US, as a quick search shows there isnt a single one under $200, and you can get a 6600xt for the same price or a 6650 xt for $30 more.
but id spend a little closer to $300 and grab a 3060, DLSS features in that price range are absolutely unbeatable.
Very well timed article- thank you.
I'm planning a new gaming PC and I'm slowly picking up parts. I want either a 7900XT or 7900XTX GPU depending on the pricing changes, to pair with a 7800X3D CPU.
I had heard in a few articles that there may be an Nvidia Ti/Super refresh coming up on the 4000 series, which may soon push prices down on the AMD lineup further.
Fingers crossed for Black Friday!
7800x3d might be overkill unless you plan on doing cpu intensive stuff. For gaming you can definitely get by with less. I have 7900xt and a 5800x cpu. I'm not bottlenecked at all by the cpu. Gpu is at 99% utilization in cp2077 and cpu sits around 60
@@TheRedOGRE I do some development and productivity stuff as well. I think the 7800X3D is a good balance for value. I also want to go Zen4/AM5 for futureproofing.
Just got my ASRock 7900xt standard for $599 new at Microcenter this morning. Stoked!
that is fucking cheap
@@larsreintjes4173 Got a 6950xt reference 2 weeks ago open box, seen this deal took it back and paid the extra $116, couldn't pass it up.
Lucky @@scottdavenport2967
I'm a day one reference 7900XT owner and I've been very happy with it! But the price gap here in Norway has been completely different (for reference cards) so it made no sense to go XTX.
When I got the 7900XT on launch the reference cards were ~1000usd, but the 7900XTX was ~2300usd.
Sure I could get a non-reference XTX for ~1500usd, but it was not an option due to space constraints.
I'm curious how the RTX 3090 is stacked against the 40XX series, and I think a glance at the used market might help new PC builders save some serious cash if they're willing to forgo something new. Last I checked, the 3090 was going for $600-700 on eBay.
Revisits B4 the sacred Holiday is fantastic. Thanks sooooo much GN-Team!!!
"Europe...has bigger number."
Thanks, Steve.
We thought that'd clear things up!
bought a hellhound 790xt. had insane coil whine, so I returned it to get another hellhound. had very very loud coil whine again, so I returned that card too and got a merc 310 xfx. the fans are a tad louder but I have no coil whine at all, very happy with the XFX
Great video as always.
A revisit of the 1080Ti would be appreciated.
I picked up a Sapphire RX 7900XT Pulse for £700 back at the end of July (in the UK, if you didn't guess from the currency). I think they only sold them at that price for about 3 days before it went up to 730 and then back to 750 later. Right now it's hard to find any 7900XT below 800, the price seems to have locked there since the 7800XT came out.
I would love to see a video revisit on the 1080(not Ti), been thinking about an upgrade to the 7900xt for a while and would like to see how it stacks up
293% performance increase on techpowerup relative GPU database. Even a 7800xt is more than double the performance of the 1080
XFX Merc 7900 XTX at $930 is a steal. Mine hits 3Ghz+ at 57c Max with 1.1Tbs on 24GB VRAM. I LOVE IT
Been thinking about upgrading from my 6800xt. Time to find out if it will be worth it, been pretty unsure about it.
Correct answer
Generally, you should NOT upgrade every generation, and upgrade every other generation instead. Especially if you are going higher-end. If you have the money to spend, I would focus on the other parts of your build, like your monitor, desk, monitor arms, desk pad, keyboard etc. You experience the entirety of your computer through your monitor for example, and a sit-stand desk and a nicer chair can make using your computer way more enjoyable. You can even modify your current desk into a sit-stand one if you like your current desk top.
But I am getting off topic. Every other gen is better than every gen, that way you can really feel and enjoy the improvement, and maybe even save up a bit for a higher model.
@@VideosVlogsThatsIt it's just been such a solid card for me. Seems like I'd be wasting money, might just skip this gen all together.
It's not
Well, if you sell your old card for about 300, then you're only spending about 400 plus tax. Thinking about it that way might make it worth it. Then, if next Gen you want that, you will have a newer card to sell and step up with..
It is important to remember, when talking about European prices, that our list prices include VAT, which in most countries is around 20% for this kind of product. In Spain, where I live, it's 21%.
used* 5700XT are getting a new perspective for being recent best bduget card
You mean buying one new? Or used? Or just previously?
@@GamersNexus I think you can't get them new. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think what he meant it's just in general a "budget gpu" that can still play games with decent FPS.
2070S performance for half the price, just because people have prejudice towards AMD cards.
@@GamersNexus oh sorry, i mean used ones.
@@Cpt_Wolf yes correctly
It's limited life now, Alan Wake 2 absolutely kills it compared to like a 2070S due to lack of features. Solid 1440p medium card for most games tho.
I wish Canadian prices were anything remotely close to the US (even with the exchange rate). RX 7900XT is very hard to find, and going up to $1400, which is close to the XTX. The RTX4080, you're looking at close to $2000.
BTW, Seagate is doing the same thing with their prices. A couple of weeks ago, the 20TB drives were cheaper than they are this week. Pisses me off that companies do this kind of crap to their customers
Got a Sapphire Pulse on July for about $750 USD, I'm really happy with it since I play mainly on Linux and was upgrading from a 1060 6 GB and a 1080p to UW monitor. Thank you so much for this video as I was recently wondering how well does it perform rn after driver updates. Getting Starfield for free was a pretty nice bonus since I would have been very disappointed had I payed full price for that game.
In Canada GPU pricing yet again makes no sense. Newegg Canada shows the 7900xt and the 7900xtx at essentially the same price, between $1299 and $1499. I know there probably isn't that large an audience for it, but a video deep dive into why Canadian pricing is so wildly more expensive and in some cases nonsensical would be interesting to me, at least.
Got it for $689
Same with my Pulse
I just got a white phantom gaming for that a couple weeks back it's keeping cooler than the 3060 was in the games I play and it's whisper quiet.
@@TheDougwoods hows the 7900xt doing ?
@@johnvamvo5438I like my 7900xt
649 now
As a German I really like that you included some European/German data as well. Although it is usually not that complicated to compare US prices to EU it is still a welcome feature in your video.
Would you recommend the 7900 xt for 1440p ?
No get the 7800xt its cheaper
@@JahonCross can that one do video editing and animation
@@user-ly8yn4uo6m video editing was my main concern and ive heard 7900xt crashes ALOT, and runs hot. so i went with 4070Super. 7900xt issue rate is 11%. too many risk to be worth it for me personally. if i could get a 7900xt card that had 99% guarantee to work perfectly i would have bought it
I built my rig over the summer from Microcenter where I bought mine for $699.
Owning a 2080 this is exactly the market I'm in at the moment. Including 20series in upcoming reviews would be great.
Have you been watching my search history? I've been looking at these 2 cards for the last few weeks and waiting for a BF deal. Thanks for the excellent video!
2070super was the sweet spot for price and performance when it was new. Would be great to see a revist.
Why? It should only be GPUs you can buy.
This review makes my PowerColor 7900 XT at $750 look like the right call, particularly since I got it months earlier.
I need to go look at that receipt and make sure my memory is correct.