The worst part of playing angry is that, at least for me, I recognize I’m playing mad and I verbally tell myself “Stop playing,” but my monkey brain says “must win to feel better!”
Literally me playing SF ranked. I know I should chill but I just wouldn’t feel right ending my session on a losing streak. Then I get the win and feel empty bc I tell myself that opponent was too easy. I just take breaks between different games and switch and that seems to help; I’m playing Sekiro right now for example and it’s definitely better for my sanity than SF haha.
It doesn't say much about you to get one more win or one loss when you have thousands of both. Nobody else is thinking about the moment, so you don't have to impress anybody. If you're thinking about it to the point you feel like you have to play more, though I can help you direct your thoughts to something more useful: 1: You're on a losing streak. If you're upset that you're losing, then you'd be remiss to ignore the possibility that you are ingraining bad habits, and you're more likely to lose more in the future if you continue to do so. You are literally doing the wrong thing to win by aimlessly playing through lose streaks. If you don't care that you're losing, then you should be more positive. The losses are ok, too. You can play through lose streaks if you fix your mentality on them and use them as a learning experience. 2: Putting down the game can also help you become a better player. Thinking about situations from a purely theoretical perspective and playing in the moment are different things, and you can't do both at the same time. You could always take your drive to the lab to finish off sessions. I doubt you have enough match up knowledge, right? I don't think even Brian believes he has enough. 3: You are in the same rank as the other players. If you could beat them with great frequency, it wouldn't say much about the level of strategy the players have if they're such flawed plans. These are other dudes at your level trying their hardest to keep you from winning and you can't ignore the work they put in or skill they have. If you're in a low point, there's a good chance you're not playing at that skill level at that time, so learning why you're having that dip through introspection is probably more valuable than throwing yourself at games. See 2. Personally, I use #1. When I'm struggling and find myself getting salty, I ask myself if I'm trying to get better, or trying to sit down and enjoy video games. If I want to truly get better, chances are I should be spending more time in the lab and watching replays (super plat now. Lots to grind out). If I want to say "Screw that, I want the win" it has to be for fun, or it's simply counterproductive. Sorry I'm so wordy. I just be that way.
The "toxic streamer influencing the viewers" point is a good one. I feel like regularly watching those kinds of streamers can easily turn a person into a scrub, new players especially. They'll emulate their streamer while playing and start making excuses for the opponents' playstyles more often than attempting any meaningful growth of their own.
Yeah and it happens in a lot of games. One guy gets popular streaming it, but he hates his life and just complains all day. Suddenly, you find a lot of proxies of him playing the game, even saying the same type of things.
Agreed. They're just parroting their favorite streamers views and talking points. It creates a built in excuse for when you lose. "Oh this guys a masher", "They play such a cheap character", "did you see the dropped frames", etc. Instead of taking responsability for your play and growing. For every person that thinks they will challenge on wake up to take the turn back, there is someone on the other side that thinks you're a button mashing gorilla.
I feel the opposite about that actually. In that situation, I feel happy that I was right, and figure I'll have better execution next time. It's all about progress.
The great circle: “God, why am I so mad! Stop being mad stupid me!” Then I get more mad at myself for being mad. “Uhh! I’m so bad for being salty! I hate that I’m so mad!”
I had the same thing, but as Brian F said that Rob TV said, "We take those" I know that feel, and it sucks but hey, you did something good, at least you ca go back and find out on film what you did good so that is something
New players are def not the type of people to know the quality of their victories to measure it to anything. If they aren't learning anything from losing, then winning definitely won't teach them anything at all. Sure the feeling of victory is nice but always fleeting.
@@t4d0W I found out that watching yourself play on film, you see how bad you are, so try that, even if you are new or old you are gonna see the problems and holes in your game. It is more of a question of how many holes can you see, and also observing the player that is beating you
I have been playing a lot of Apex, and as frustrating as it is to feel like you win a fight only to get third partied, it teaches you a lot about accepting losses because that's just how the format works. You learn to accept little victories because it WILL be awhile before you get a big one. You gotta appreciate all your kills and movements and whatnot.
also gives you a fun puzzle. could we have avoided the third party if we looted faster? did we even need to loot at all since there were only 8 squads left? does my character have a way to get us out of a sticky situation? figuring out how you could have pulled it off is like a mini-game itself
@@KTSamurai1 most of times the 3rd party arive while you are still in fight and wait to finish you after, thus looting faster or not looting at all wouldn´t help.
“It’s only game, why you have to be mad?” Fr tho, working on my mentality and responses to losses/different playstyles has been a great exercise in patience 😅
Some of my worst losing streaks came when I was tilted and wanted to get that "One more win" before closing the game. It's important to know yourself and realize when you should take the loss and leave for a while
There is no win harder than the "one more win", everybody suddenly turns into punk or sonic fox and you become a posterized idiot in their highlight reel
This is for real tho. I got creamed in Fighterz 2-0 TWICE in a row and it got me fucked up. I was so down I lost to a dude that was doing whatever. I was EATING 2Hs that were telegraphed from five miles away. After I stopped a few minutes later I was thinking to myself, "did I really eat all that?". Sometimes ya just gotta cool down
Another thing that happens playing on tilt is that players easily question their own abilities and situations they are losing in. Especially at low ranks when a player gets taken for straight rounds into a set and may be thinking their opponent is SOOO much better in that context. But in the end their opponent just took advantage of CHs, didn't drop combos and just comfortably got to play the game despite having pringles for defense. It never occurs for these players to actually absorb the loss properly as a learning tool and play again with a better sense of awareness.
The worst part is if people are malding in text chat. They're typing essays about how awful that enemy character is or cursing a storm about a teammate. Sometimes it helps if I tell them to stop typing and start playing, but occasionally it's already too late and it's all downhill.
This and Leon massey's video are really what fighting game players need to see as I feel a lot of us take the wrong lessons out of playing games and set ourselves up for failure, which ultimately blinds us to how good we actually are at the game. I remember 1 time when I was playing Xrd a player just started apologizing to me for being bad and unskilled, despite the fact that most of the games were close and in neutral I was getting blown up all over the place. But because that person wasn't winning they didn't consider themselves good while in my mind I thought they were pretty decent. I ended up spending a good while trying to talk them out of that self depreciative state.
I mean if you kept beating them even though they took a lot of neutral interactions you're probably just better anyway, maybe they just didn't know any real confirms
@@borederlands5387 who cares who's worse or better, the idea is that their mental approach was holding them back. Are you trying to say that player should be talking about themselves like that because they actually are bad? The obvious answer is no, no one should, lest they remain a scrub.
People do this in League too. My friends tend to get really tilted and whatever and they get upset when they die and blame the enemy team's champions or w/e. The attitude is so stressful and it genuinely affects me if it gets too much. I just try to focus on having a good time first and foremost and not getting too stressed out about it. I'm also the one that pops off the most if I do something cool.
I have the opposite experience. I want to chill and limit test a champ I'm trying out, but my friends and their stupid masochistic tendencies just BEG the enemy team to destroy us. I avoid playing with them deliberately now, but we're still friends. But I'm damn sure I'll play alone than play with them lmao
I think what helps League players give into the salt, me included, is that some of the time, you die through no fault of your own, and that sometimes your teammates dropped the ball and it led to you dying. And that's not fair, even as I'm typing this out, I've come to realize that. A big problem with League is that a vocal part of the playerbase, not sure whether its just a few people being really loud or if it's most people, have become accustomed to that attitude, to the point that it's just ingrained in a lot of people, even the people you queue up with that seemed chill.
@@mkhcfire9684 Sometimes there's nothing you could have done and that's okay, you just gotta step away and not get mad and then think about how to move the game forward in your favour.
This attitude is really easy to fall into in Siege due to how quickly you can die. I also have a bad habit of falling into this when trying to learn a new combo, and I think this will get me to reassess the way I learn.
@@octaviogonzalez8794 Siege is about the closest to the fighting game experience you'll get in a shooter tbh. You need to mature as a player to progress in siege. And oh boy it's a fuckin painful process.
@@MhnFive I can imagine there's a lot of depth to the game. Map knowledge especially. The only shooter I can compare with FGs is probably Quake 3 Arena. Map control and stage control aren't too dissimilar and the amount of technical proficiency required does lend to a steep learning curve with some plateaus. Probably what you're describing with siege too.
I'm not really sure how much of an 'attitude' thing this is, but I tend to not really give myself credit for my successes in fighting games. I could win like 5 matches in a row and feel nothing from it, but lose one match and feel like the worst player on earth. The thing is I almost never blame the game or my opponent for my losses, I almost always blame myself. Meanwhile, it's the complete opposite case for my wins. I can't really play fighting games that much against randoms anymore because of this. It's like I'm just hardwired for toxicity towards myself.
I getcha. When I win I just go "oh that was luck" or "he just didn't know how to do x. I would've gotten creamed otherwise. Then when I eat I act like I committed a slight against God
I had this problem too, so I eventually berated myself in a different way: I told myself how completely, utterly _arrogant_ I was to put all the focus on myself when I played random people and have no appreciation for their victories.
I think a lot of the mindset difficulty, at least in my case, comes from feeling like you aren't contributing to the environment. When I play league or valorant with friends and just totally blow dick the whole game, it's so frustrating because I'm making it worse for me and my friends. I get this fucked up idea in my head that my losing my team the game just makes me a worse person
I learned how to play league by playing with friends who carried me So i am used to that feeling if you play with people who love you they will accept that you suck and support you along the way Winning is meaningless on its own Losing with good friends is better than winning on your own
Man, I finished some sets against UI Goku I was super mad A while later watched some dotodoya vids and he's so calm and is aways having a good time and praising the enemy for the hits that makes me kinda guilty for been so mad.
I remember watching a WarOwl video, and one of the climbing tips he gave for CS:GO is minding your tone when you relay information after you die. You can mald after the fact, but you can't let your malding mess up the attitude of the rest of the team.
The other end of this is also super important; having a good attitude and giving yourself props for things you do well even when you lose. I've been learning Melty Blood with a friend recently, and on top of having more experience with the game from back in the day, he also has like 10+ years of fighting game experience over me. I rarely win in any game we play. But I get hype as hell when I execute a setup I've been working on, even if he goes on to whup my ass afterwards. I consider it an absolute win when I can tell he's suddenly getting desperate and playing more serious, just to avoid having to deal with the stuff I've been labbing.
perfect timing to see this again. always a good watch. good reminder to play more chill. playin salty killllls me. im in that bad mood constantly on tekken 😩 gotta gas myself a lil
I have a friend I will literally NEVER play games with. No matter what it is, he'll rage. Brings the entire mood down. If you can find excuses as to why you lost in CHESS that aren't "I suck" or "I didn't know that", that's a problem.
A friend of mine is terrible with this. We were playing Granblue and I kept telling him to just stop mashing, its not going to work and then he gets even MORE upset. He goes down the bad salt route a lot when that happens.
I have the same problem when I play smash or Soul Calibur with my brother, mostly in Soul Calibur is like "Don't mash, why you complain about x thing if you never ever try to use y, it is a good counter"
Taking a break is so real. Thank you for spreading positive mentality. If I ever get stuck because of my mentality it helps to just play a character I don’t main. I get to learn a bit more about the game and practice my fundamentals but not try to headbutt my way through a brick wall of bad feels and also remember why I like game I play. The truth is we put too much pressure on ourselves to be good. If you’re not trying to top 8 at tournaments, having fun at the expense of slowing down your mastery of one character in one game is worth it
Some people just have this weird confidence or inferiority issue where all they see is their bad points. You need to see both your good and bad points because otherwise you will keep working on improving something you're good at and neglecting other things you need actual work on. As for playing mad, I can do that by channeling my anger creatively. I know not everyone works this way but to me it just fuels me to play better and show the universe that whatever I got hit by that made me angry was not how it should have been. Now I can see if you're not good enough to do that how it can just devolve into a downward spiral with no catharsis, so it's not recommended to play mad generally speaking. Just take a break if you're getting too mad to focus.
5:50 having to fight Zappa for 2.5 hours straight as a Sol main myself recently broke my brain and turned it into soggy cherios. Mad respect for not losing your mind fighting him.
I'll admit back then I had this same toxic attitude playing League and CS:GO. Despite how frustrated I got, I'd keep playing thinking "maybe I'll get better teammates" or "I'll get an even match in the next one." It wasn't until I picked up fighting games that I learned about taking breaks and understanding scenarios to make better choices. I still get tilted every now and again, but I've learned to appreciate the small victories.
I heard these 'playing mad' stories often when new T7 players back in 2017. They kept complaining about trying to improve and losing but didn't notice that they were hitting rematch and playing angry. Didn't even consider just taking a 30 second breather and thinking about simple adjustments. Consequently they get angry at the game and the overall experience until they mellow out and realize that playing on tilt never gives a competitive edge. Its the same even with IRL sports and I have blessed to have those kind of experiences myself to know.
100% agree that you have to learn how to hype yourself up. Personally, I've taught myself to do this because whenever I anti-air someone I start screaming that I'm godlike LOL. Its silly but it really helps me mentally and lets me learn much more effectively.
Attitude matters so much. A loss doesn't hurt and mistakes can be fixed. I treat my Job the same way and laugh things off when something goes bad. For whatever reason it's annoying to some people.
I play three different game genres if I don't do solid in one of them I just get off and wait for the afternoon or tomorrow, rinse/repeat. Its helped alot with my rage, spread your horizons people.
That's why the mental game is the most important part of any combat sport, or competition. You start thinking, you loose- because it sets you 2 steps back. And when you've got somebody punching you in the face, 2 steps back is a death sentence.
During the last hours of the Strive beta I was playing HARD mad. I knew I couldn’t take a break, if I got up and went to bed I knew the game wouldn’t be there again for months. I completely lost the BnBs I’d learned, I was just losing simple matches. It feels like your brain can still play and function, but your emotions REALLY hobble you in a way that feels just short of physical.
I've been playing comp CSGO recently and every match where I have positive team mates we actually go fairly even even if we lost the match overall, and whenever I have downer team mates that bitch the whole time we just get stomped it's probably a coincidence but I can say having positive and encouraging teammates makes the whole experience infinitely more enjoyable
I feel this is also a big reason not many people get into fighting games. In valorant or league you can have a bad game and get mad but if you're playing with good people you can get carried or they can help keep the mood light as you did. In fighting games its so raw. If you had a bad day and you're mad it doesn't even matter if you're winning or losing you'll just be mad. At that point no fighting game (for casuals) can be fun because you play alone. At least in a team game even if you're getting shit on just hearing others happy and still managing to win can lighten you up abit and keep you playing the game.
6:48 Sajam's Chat Mod: "You heard 'em. If Young Sajam don't trust ya, I gon' shoot ya" Play mad, go bad; is what I say to myself when I start to get mad at something.
Morale can seriously win or lose any match, when I'm playing a ranked game I always ALWAYS try to start with a positive message, maybe a game plan just anything for anyone to cling onto. Like not everyone has to be calling shots or be enthusiastic but if there's something positive present people will go for it if it's available.
I used to play Tekken every morning chugging down a whole pot of coffee, getting lost in the jitters and euphoria and getting pissed off and ruining my whole day sometimes. Now I lay off the coffee and the game is still frustrating, but I'm way more detached and focused, its good fun.
I was on a losing streak on Street Fighter and it got to a point that I was literally just letting people win against me. The only way to turn it around was to take a break and come back a few days later.
When this is all you have, it's hard to not get emotional about losses. I couldnt even learn to ride a bike lol. So like, yeah, every loss feels like a reflection on me as a person. I feel like a complete failure when i lose, even if its close.
I have a hard time playing online cuz I take losses so personally. For Strive I made my name "Nothing Personal" to remind myself that I don't need to. I also took a 5-minute break whenever I got three losses in a row. Helped a lot. And also being hyped. So if I get a nice confirm I just cheer or be like "hah, gotcha!", but ALSO trying to laugh when they catch me doing something stupid, like out loud and say like "nice move", "yeah, you caught me", a joke, or just something positive, even though I'm often playing alone. It helps keep my attitude positive, which helps me enjoy the game more even when I lose. Ive been doing it when playing T7 and DBFZ while I wait for Strive, and it's been helping.
These are all great 😁 my roommate always calls me out when they catch me being negative, "say something positive now" so I've been incorporating similar things to you, and it feels way better. Honestly developing respect for your opponent as a player while not being able to see their face is a great thing to learn. Complimenting their punishes instead of getting mad about my own mistakes helps a ton
Strive is really good for this. very rarely do i feel that i got cheapened out of something, maybe Ram is the only one i actively avoid because she's so unintuitive and cheap, but otherwise, oh i got HPB? Fuck im laughing, that was so dumb but that Pot must be havin an orgasm. Oh Chipp got me in the air super? Probably should have blocked xD.
This is honestly why I'm so much better at Guilty Gear than I am at any other fighting game. Something about that game just makes me roll with the blows easier. A lot of the time I genuinely *enjoy* getting blown up, and even when I don't I see it more as a puzzle to be solved than as a frustrating waste of time. Contrast that with Smash Bros, which I've probably put more total hours into overall, but I just don't improve anywhere near as quick because I'm too busy being mad to stop and figure out why I'm losing.
Its funny because I try not to ever get toxic when playing Valorant but getting absolutely curbstomped because I, myself, made a mistake and either rushed without backup or didn't use my abilities right or missed a shot or just generally made a mistake, and repeatedly make that mistake and getting ragged on by teammates for it or hearing teammates argue because of it can be pretty frustrating and cause me to stop playing(after the match finishes of course). Nice video, makes me want to think more about my thought process during the game and how I feel when playing 👏
This isn't really related to anger, but when I'm playing with friends over the mic, I usually do worse cuz I approach every game more casually and pay more attention to just messing around than taking the game competitively or seriously, making more mistakes but when I play online, I do a lot better and usually dont make the same errors as when I'm playing with my friends
Of course if you really want to see players destroying themselves with spirals of frustration and self-doubt in a single-player game, you have to look at golf.
Whenever I start getting tilted in fighting games, I hear Sajams voice in my head telling me to not resign to the fact that I'm fighting cornball ass characters, and it legit helps
i remember playing dota one night where i lost 7 straight games, totalling out to around 250ish mmr, got demoted, and i was so angry that i really haven't played since then. i launched it on saturday to cast a game, but i think i might still be lowkey angry
Star Wars Squadrons made "morale" a mechanic within the game, so what that means is you get the double whammy of losing in-game morale and then losing morale in the match you're playing.
I literally STOPPED watching Hook videos because of how annoying it is to hear him whine about playing. He started off being funny, but I don't have the patience for my own toxicity, let alone his.
This is why I generally leave when it's clear someone's BMing me. It's not good for my mentality and I probably won't learn much from someone like that anyway.
I'm glad that I learned this lesson from a League TH-camr named Dong Huap. I've long since stopped playing League of Legends, but I still remember not to play any sort of competitive game mode with more than a tablespoonful of salt in my bloodstream.
Yep another person here with the same regrets 😅 I'm learning Tekken and going to training mode if I don't know how to deal with something instead of getting tilted has saved me so much rage. That and just closing the game as I get mad so I can think back to how I lost and improve.
That's one of the benefits of being a masochist when it comes to video games. I can be getting bodied and still have fun, plus it's an opportunity to improve!
tilt in team games is contagious. that's why you gotta be quick to mute shitty people so even if they throw the game you can at least practice fundamentals
I like playing people that counter my play style. Even if i get bodied. I like to go from getting 0-2 and then slowing taking a round to taking a game. To being able to have a decent fight.
The first time I made it to Celestial, I was getting owned by some Potemkin. They had identified that I'm weak to Megafist and started abusing it. You can't exactly 6p it easily due to its disjoint, so I was getting smoked a lot by it. Like in all high stakes games, i started to get frustrated but pulled myself together because I *know* how to fight Potemkin, I'm just letting myself lose. I forced a shift in my perspective mid/match and went into an aggressive assault and eventual victory. I could have lost anyway, but I was guaranteed to lose if I kept myself in a salty unhappy mindset.
I actually experienced this over the past two days playing Legends of Runeterra. I'm a decent player. I've hit Mythic in Magic quite a few times. But I also tilt pretty easily. When I was going on a super hot win streak I was talking shit, spamming emotes at my enemy, and making the right moves. I'd catch my mistakes and call em out like, "yup here here and here were decisions that I made that lost me the game." And then I had a few rough losses back to back, and I was like "fuck these god draws everything sucks this game is broken." And it just got worse and worse and worse. People think competitive games are about having the best character, knowing the meta strategies, and having the execution to use them. But they aren't. They're all mental games. You keep throwing your head against the wall and you're gonna crack. Talk through your movements. Think about your outs. And most importantly give yourself breaks! If you're streaming, take a time out and talk to chat. If you're at a tournament, sip some water in-between matches. And if you're not doing any of that, you're free to quit! That's the ultimate mental break!
The worst part of playing angry is that, at least for me, I recognize I’m playing mad and I verbally tell myself “Stop playing,” but my monkey brain says “must win to feel better!”
bruh legit. I just want that one W to say "at least I finished with something."
It's kinda like when you see people gambling and losing, but they refuse to stop because they want to win.
Worst part is when your homie says "ok last one, I have to go to bed", and he wins, and you have to ruminate on that loss for the entire night
Literally me playing SF ranked. I know I should chill but I just wouldn’t feel right ending my session on a losing streak. Then I get the win and feel empty bc I tell myself that opponent was too easy. I just take breaks between different games and switch and that seems to help; I’m playing Sekiro right now for example and it’s definitely better for my sanity than SF haha.
It doesn't say much about you to get one more win or one loss when you have thousands of both. Nobody else is thinking about the moment, so you don't have to impress anybody. If you're thinking about it to the point you feel like you have to play more, though I can help you direct your thoughts to something more useful:
1: You're on a losing streak. If you're upset that you're losing, then you'd be remiss to ignore the possibility that you are ingraining bad habits, and you're more likely to lose more in the future if you continue to do so. You are literally doing the wrong thing to win by aimlessly playing through lose streaks. If you don't care that you're losing, then you should be more positive. The losses are ok, too. You can play through lose streaks if you fix your mentality on them and use them as a learning experience.
2: Putting down the game can also help you become a better player. Thinking about situations from a purely theoretical perspective and playing in the moment are different things, and you can't do both at the same time. You could always take your drive to the lab to finish off sessions. I doubt you have enough match up knowledge, right? I don't think even Brian believes he has enough.
3: You are in the same rank as the other players. If you could beat them with great frequency, it wouldn't say much about the level of strategy the players have if they're such flawed plans. These are other dudes at your level trying their hardest to keep you from winning and you can't ignore the work they put in or skill they have. If you're in a low point, there's a good chance you're not playing at that skill level at that time, so learning why you're having that dip through introspection is probably more valuable than throwing yourself at games. See 2.
Personally, I use #1. When I'm struggling and find myself getting salty, I ask myself if I'm trying to get better, or trying to sit down and enjoy video games. If I want to truly get better, chances are I should be spending more time in the lab and watching replays (super plat now. Lots to grind out). If I want to say "Screw that, I want the win" it has to be for fun, or it's simply counterproductive.
Sorry I'm so wordy. I just be that way.
Lmao "Pop off right now or I'm driving to your house and I'm kicking in the door!" Everybody needs a friend like Sajam.
"Never get mad, be mentally untouchable, like me"
-LTG
"A broken clock is right twice a day"
- Ur Mom lol
Taking any advice from ltg would make me more pissed off than losing a thousand times in any game
@@thecountercounter9127 Pro tip: People like him feeds on attention, cut out your side of supply 😄
The "toxic streamer influencing the viewers" point is a good one. I feel like regularly watching those kinds of streamers can easily turn a person into a scrub, new players especially. They'll emulate their streamer while playing and start making excuses for the opponents' playstyles more often than attempting any meaningful growth of their own.
Yeah and it happens in a lot of games. One guy gets popular streaming it, but he hates his life and just complains all day. Suddenly, you find a lot of proxies of him playing the game, even saying the same type of things.
the number one example that pops to my mind immediately is avilo from SC2, that guy single-handedly ruined the attitudes of terran players lmao
Friend of a friend is just a Tyler1 clone, it's really frustrating
Agreed. They're just parroting their favorite streamers views and talking points. It creates a built in excuse for when you lose. "Oh this guys a masher", "They play such a cheap character", "did you see the dropped frames", etc. Instead of taking responsability for your play and growing. For every person that thinks they will challenge on wake up to take the turn back, there is someone on the other side that thinks you're a button mashing gorilla.
Personally the worst feeling in a match is when you called something out but failed the execution.
I feel the opposite about that actually. In that situation, I feel happy that I was right, and figure I'll have better execution next time. It's all about progress.
@@peterhousen7974 Great mindset!
The great circle:
“God, why am I so mad! Stop being mad stupid me!”
Then I get more mad at myself for being mad.
“Uhh! I’m so bad for being salty! I hate that I’m so mad!”
This video speaks to me
Worse than losing is winning a victory that feels hollow
I had the same thing, but as Brian F said that Rob TV said, "We take those" I know that feel, and it sucks but hey, you did something good, at least you ca go back and find out on film what you did good so that is something
New players are def not the type of people to know the quality of their victories to measure it to anything. If they aren't learning anything from losing, then winning definitely won't teach them anything at all. Sure the feeling of victory is nice but always fleeting.
@@t4d0W I found out that watching yourself play on film, you see how bad you are, so try that, even if you are new or old you are gonna see the problems and holes in your game. It is more of a question of how many holes can you see, and also observing the player that is beating you
Fun fact: junbear was shot during the filming of this video
When isn't Junbear getting shot? I'm pretty sure they got shot once because someone else posting a Guapo lol
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Alternate title: Junbeat was filmed during the shooting of this video
@@collabcentral6006 Dudes getting shot at least twice a stream. He's doing gods work.
I have been playing a lot of Apex, and as frustrating as it is to feel like you win a fight only to get third partied, it teaches you a lot about accepting losses because that's just how the format works. You learn to accept little victories because it WILL be awhile before you get a big one. You gotta appreciate all your kills and movements and whatnot.
also gives you a fun puzzle. could we have avoided the third party if we looted faster? did we even need to loot at all since there were only 8 squads left? does my character have a way to get us out of a sticky situation? figuring out how you could have pulled it off is like a mini-game itself
@@KTSamurai1 most of times the 3rd party arive while you are still in fight and wait to finish you after, thus looting faster or not looting at all wouldn´t help.
@@Nexielas yeah i thought i made it clear that i knew that but thanks
This is while mobility legends are better than everyone else. You can just nope the fuck out of a fight and reset.
“It’s only game, why you have to be mad?”
Fr tho, working on my mentality and responses to losses/different playstyles has been a great exercise in patience 😅
Some of my worst losing streaks came when I was tilted and wanted to get that "One more win" before closing the game.
It's important to know yourself and realize when you should take the loss and leave for a while
Yup. So many times. Sometimes you have to live to fight another day.
There is no win harder than the "one more win", everybody suddenly turns into punk or sonic fox and you become a posterized idiot in their highlight reel
yea i'll be like "i dont wanna end the session on a low point" but then i go on a losing streak for another hour.
This is for real tho. I got creamed in Fighterz 2-0 TWICE in a row and it got me fucked up. I was so down I lost to a dude that was doing whatever. I was EATING 2Hs that were telegraphed from five miles away.
After I stopped a few minutes later I was thinking to myself, "did I really eat all that?". Sometimes ya just gotta cool down
Same here, sometimes you get hit with the "You need more training! :)" emote and it hurts the mental fr
Another thing that happens playing on tilt is that players easily question their own abilities and situations they are losing in. Especially at low ranks when a player gets taken for straight rounds into a set and may be thinking their opponent is SOOO much better in that context. But in the end their opponent just took advantage of CHs, didn't drop combos and just comfortably got to play the game despite having pringles for defense. It never occurs for these players to actually absorb the loss properly as a learning tool and play again with a better sense of awareness.
Games are entertaiment. The moment they stop being fun is when you should stop playing them.
The worst part is if people are malding in text chat. They're typing essays about how awful that enemy character is or cursing a storm about a teammate. Sometimes it helps if I tell them to stop typing and start playing, but occasionally it's already too late and it's all downhill.
Also happens in League, Team Fortress 2, and in Thiccem'swatch.
When I get mad I just input Fafnir and Bandit Revolver repeatedly, and randomly
And you're probably beating me because I'm trying to "get one win" and playing like shit and eating all those fafnirs and bandit revolvers.
That was a fantastic Zappa rant 😂
The "Dude, you play Testament" killed me lmao
This and Leon massey's video are really what fighting game players need to see as I feel a lot of us take the wrong lessons out of playing games and set ourselves up for failure, which ultimately blinds us to how good we actually are at the game. I remember 1 time when I was playing Xrd a player just started apologizing to me for being bad and unskilled, despite the fact that most of the games were close and in neutral I was getting blown up all over the place. But because that person wasn't winning they didn't consider themselves good while in my mind I thought they were pretty decent. I ended up spending a good while trying to talk them out of that self depreciative state.
I mean if you kept beating them even though they took a lot of neutral interactions you're probably just better anyway, maybe they just didn't know any real confirms
@@borederlands5387 who cares who's worse or better, the idea is that their mental approach was holding them back. Are you trying to say that player should be talking about themselves like that because they actually are bad?
The obvious answer is no, no one should, lest they remain a scrub.
@@borederlands5387 This misses the point like the person above mentioned. It really doesnt matter who is better, that person is on their own journey
People do this in League too. My friends tend to get really tilted and whatever and they get upset when they die and blame the enemy team's champions or w/e. The attitude is so stressful and it genuinely affects me if it gets too much. I just try to focus on having a good time first and foremost and not getting too stressed out about it. I'm also the one that pops off the most if I do something cool.
I have the opposite experience.
I want to chill and limit test a champ I'm trying out, but my friends and their stupid masochistic tendencies just BEG the enemy team to destroy us.
I avoid playing with them deliberately now, but we're still friends. But I'm damn sure I'll play alone than play with them lmao
I think what helps League players give into the salt, me included, is that some of the time, you die through no fault of your own, and that sometimes your teammates dropped the ball and it led to you dying. And that's not fair, even as I'm typing this out, I've come to realize that.
A big problem with League is that a vocal part of the playerbase, not sure whether its just a few people being really loud or if it's most people, have become accustomed to that attitude, to the point that it's just ingrained in a lot of people, even the people you queue up with that seemed chill.
@@mkhcfire9684 Sometimes there's nothing you could have done and that's okay, you just gotta step away and not get mad and then think about how to move the game forward in your favour.
This attitude is really easy to fall into in Siege due to how quickly you can die. I also have a bad habit of falling into this when trying to learn a new combo, and I think this will get me to reassess the way I learn.
My little brother plays that game and the way his team rages and talks to each other makes me want to gag. Seems so toxic.
@@octaviogonzalez8794 Siege is about the closest to the fighting game experience you'll get in a shooter tbh.
You need to mature as a player to progress in siege. And oh boy it's a fuckin painful process.
@@MhnFive I can imagine there's a lot of depth to the game. Map knowledge especially. The only shooter I can compare with FGs is probably Quake 3 Arena. Map control and stage control aren't too dissimilar and the amount of technical proficiency required does lend to a steep learning curve with some plateaus. Probably what you're describing with siege too.
I'm not really sure how much of an 'attitude' thing this is, but I tend to not really give myself credit for my successes in fighting games. I could win like 5 matches in a row and feel nothing from it, but lose one match and feel like the worst player on earth. The thing is I almost never blame the game or my opponent for my losses, I almost always blame myself. Meanwhile, it's the complete opposite case for my wins. I can't really play fighting games that much against randoms anymore because of this. It's like I'm just hardwired for toxicity towards myself.
I getcha. When I win I just go "oh that was luck" or "he just didn't know how to do x. I would've gotten creamed otherwise. Then when I eat I act like I committed a slight against God
I had this problem too, so I eventually berated myself in a different way: I told myself how completely, utterly _arrogant_ I was to put all the focus on myself when I played random people and have no appreciation for their victories.
That hook description was spot on lmao
Zappa twerking at a battered and frustrated Sol from like a 100 feet away while he's getting wombo'd by the whole ghost gang is oddly appropriate.
I think a lot of the mindset difficulty, at least in my case, comes from feeling like you aren't contributing to the environment. When I play league or valorant with friends and just totally blow dick the whole game, it's so frustrating because I'm making it worse for me and my friends. I get this fucked up idea in my head that my losing my team the game just makes me a worse person
This, I can relate to. I hate letting people down, even if it's only in a videogame.
I learned how to play league by playing with friends who carried me
So i am used to that feeling if you play with people who love you they will accept that you suck and support you along the way
Winning is meaningless on its own
Losing with good friends is better than winning on your own
When I get angry I swear my reactions get tilted too.
Man, I finished some sets against UI Goku I was super mad
A while later watched some dotodoya vids and he's so calm and is aways having a good time and praising the enemy for the hits that makes me kinda guilty for been so mad.
I remember watching a WarOwl video, and one of the climbing tips he gave for CS:GO is minding your tone when you relay information after you die. You can mald after the fact, but you can't let your malding mess up the attitude of the rest of the team.
The other end of this is also super important; having a good attitude and giving yourself props for things you do well even when you lose. I've been learning Melty Blood with a friend recently, and on top of having more experience with the game from back in the day, he also has like 10+ years of fighting game experience over me. I rarely win in any game we play. But I get hype as hell when I execute a setup I've been working on, even if he goes on to whup my ass afterwards. I consider it an absolute win when I can tell he's suddenly getting desperate and playing more serious, just to avoid having to deal with the stuff I've been labbing.
perfect timing to see this again. always a good watch. good reminder to play more chill. playin salty killllls me. im in that bad mood constantly on tekken 😩 gotta gas myself a lil
We get duped into believing every 'real' victory must involve self-suffering
I have a friend I will literally NEVER play games with. No matter what it is, he'll rage. Brings the entire mood down.
If you can find excuses as to why you lost in CHESS that aren't "I suck" or "I didn't know that", that's a problem.
A friend of mine is terrible with this. We were playing Granblue and I kept telling him to just stop mashing, its not going to work and then he gets even MORE upset. He goes down the bad salt route a lot when that happens.
I have the same problem when I play smash or Soul Calibur with my brother, mostly in Soul Calibur is like "Don't mash, why you complain about x thing if you never ever try to use y, it is a good counter"
Taking a break is so real. Thank you for spreading positive mentality. If I ever get stuck because of my mentality it helps to just play a character I don’t main. I get to learn a bit more about the game and practice my fundamentals but not try to headbutt my way through a brick wall of bad feels and also remember why I like game I play. The truth is we put too much pressure on ourselves to be good. If you’re not trying to top 8 at tournaments, having fun at the expense of slowing down your mastery of one character in one game is worth it
Some people just have this weird confidence or inferiority issue where all they see is their bad points. You need to see both your good and bad points because otherwise you will keep working on improving something you're good at and neglecting other things you need actual work on.
As for playing mad, I can do that by channeling my anger creatively. I know not everyone works this way but to me it just fuels me to play better and show the universe that whatever I got hit by that made me angry was not how it should have been. Now I can see if you're not good enough to do that how it can just devolve into a downward spiral with no catharsis, so it's not recommended to play mad generally speaking. Just take a break if you're getting too mad to focus.
5:50 having to fight Zappa for 2.5 hours straight as a Sol main myself recently broke my brain and turned it into soggy cherios. Mad respect for not losing your mind fighting him.
Zappa is not fun to fight as Bridget either.
That hook impression was pretty on point.
I'll admit back then I had this same toxic attitude playing League and CS:GO. Despite how frustrated I got, I'd keep playing thinking "maybe I'll get better teammates" or "I'll get an even match in the next one." It wasn't until I picked up fighting games that I learned about taking breaks and understanding scenarios to make better choices. I still get tilted every now and again, but I've learned to appreciate the small victories.
"We'll have some GGs, If we are lucky maybe even some BGs"
is probably top 5 fighting game quotes ever lmao
I heard these 'playing mad' stories often when new T7 players back in 2017. They kept complaining about trying to improve and losing but didn't notice that they were hitting rematch and playing angry. Didn't even consider just taking a 30 second breather and thinking about simple adjustments. Consequently they get angry at the game and the overall experience until they mellow out and realize that playing on tilt never gives a competitive edge. Its the same even with IRL sports and I have blessed to have those kind of experiences myself to know.
100% agree that you have to learn how to hype yourself up. Personally, I've taught myself to do this because whenever I anti-air someone I start screaming that I'm godlike LOL. Its silly but it really helps me mentally and lets me learn much more effectively.
Attitude matters so much. A loss doesn't hurt and mistakes can be fixed. I treat my Job the same way and laugh things off when something goes bad.
For whatever reason it's annoying to some people.
I play three different game genres if I don't do solid in one of them I just get off and wait for the afternoon or tomorrow, rinse/repeat. Its helped alot with my rage, spread your horizons people.
i have such a fragile mental game, and i'm willing to admit that. i found that taking a short break after every set to reset my mindset helps a lot.
That's why the mental game is the most important part of any combat sport, or competition. You start thinking, you loose- because it sets you 2 steps back. And when you've got somebody punching you in the face, 2 steps back is a death sentence.
I just play drunk and laugh through the pain :)
I play drunk and angry and then....
@@haughtygarbage5848 I don't get angry when I'm drunk...that might just be me :)
Thanks, It's helpful to know we all struggle with our bad mood when losing. I'll try to get a more calm attitude when playing.
VERY important reminder. Definitely needed this as a reminder. Especially the part about streaming
During the last hours of the Strive beta I was playing HARD mad. I knew I couldn’t take a break, if I got up and went to bed I knew the game wouldn’t be there again for months. I completely lost the BnBs I’d learned, I was just losing simple matches. It feels like your brain can still play and function, but your emotions REALLY hobble you in a way that feels just short of physical.
I've been playing comp CSGO recently and every match where I have positive team mates we actually go fairly even even if we lost the match overall, and whenever I have downer team mates that bitch the whole time we just get stomped
it's probably a coincidence but I can say having positive and encouraging teammates makes the whole experience infinitely more enjoyable
that hookganggod segment is so fucking true, you hit the nail on the head harder than hook hits his pad when fighting anyone who mashes on him
This pretty much sums up what happens when I get on a losing streak
Sajam dropping the sage advice on a youtube video about videogames
I feel this is also a big reason not many people get into fighting games. In valorant or league you can have a bad game and get mad but if you're playing with good people you can get carried or they can help keep the mood light as you did. In fighting games its so raw. If you had a bad day and you're mad it doesn't even matter if you're winning or losing you'll just be mad. At that point no fighting game (for casuals) can be fun because you play alone. At least in a team game even if you're getting shit on just hearing others happy and still managing to win can lighten you up abit and keep you playing the game.
Any time I get steamed I just think about eating at my favorite breakfast place
6:48
Sajam's Chat Mod: "You heard 'em. If Young Sajam don't trust ya, I gon' shoot ya"
Play mad, go bad; is what I say to myself when I start to get mad at something.
This comment is gold to me.
Hook hasn't accepted that faust is a cornball character
Didn't know Sajam was playing FPS. Love to see it.
Positive attitude is always necessary. Totally agree with you Jiyuna.
Now when's that drop kick coming?
PLAYING MAD = PLAYING BAD
Seems like their mood wasn't making them lose until you said something.
Yo these have been helping the mentality and just keeping momentum for the growth mindset . Thanks big dawg
Stopping the rage is the most important trait in gaming
"I don't wanna name names..."
Literally names Spancer in the next breath. Unbelievable. RIP Spencer.
Morale can seriously win or lose any match, when I'm playing a ranked game I always ALWAYS try to start with a positive message, maybe a game plan just anything for anyone to cling onto. Like not everyone has to be calling shots or be enthusiastic but if there's something positive present people will go for it if it's available.
I used to play Tekken every morning chugging down a whole pot of coffee, getting lost in the jitters and euphoria and getting pissed off and ruining my whole day sometimes.
Now I lay off the coffee and the game is still frustrating, but I'm way more detached and focused, its good fun.
I was on a losing streak on Street Fighter and it got to a point that I was literally just letting people win against me. The only way to turn it around was to take a break and come back a few days later.
When this is all you have, it's hard to not get emotional about losses. I couldnt even learn to ride a bike lol. So like, yeah, every loss feels like a reflection on me as a person. I feel like a complete failure when i lose, even if its close.
Every gaming community needs to see this video. People need to mature and accept losses and admit to poor performance.
Am I the only one who embraces his salt and at times makes him feel like he goes just a little further?
I have a hard time playing online cuz I take losses so personally. For Strive I made my name "Nothing Personal" to remind myself that I don't need to. I also took a 5-minute break whenever I got three losses in a row. Helped a lot. And also being hyped. So if I get a nice confirm I just cheer or be like "hah, gotcha!", but ALSO trying to laugh when they catch me doing something stupid, like out loud and say like "nice move", "yeah, you caught me", a joke, or just something positive, even though I'm often playing alone. It helps keep my attitude positive, which helps me enjoy the game more even when I lose. Ive been doing it when playing T7 and DBFZ while I wait for Strive, and it's been helping.
These are all great 😁 my roommate always calls me out when they catch me being negative, "say something positive now" so I've been incorporating similar things to you, and it feels way better. Honestly developing respect for your opponent as a player while not being able to see their face is a great thing to learn. Complimenting their punishes instead of getting mad about my own mistakes helps a ton
Strive is really good for this. very rarely do i feel that i got cheapened out of something, maybe Ram is the only one i actively avoid because she's so unintuitive and cheap, but otherwise, oh i got HPB? Fuck im laughing, that was so dumb but that Pot must be havin an orgasm. Oh Chipp got me in the air super? Probably should have blocked xD.
This is honestly why I'm so much better at Guilty Gear than I am at any other fighting game. Something about that game just makes me roll with the blows easier. A lot of the time I genuinely *enjoy* getting blown up, and even when I don't I see it more as a puzzle to be solved than as a frustrating waste of time.
Contrast that with Smash Bros, which I've probably put more total hours into overall, but I just don't improve anywhere near as quick because I'm too busy being mad to stop and figure out why I'm losing.
Its funny because I try not to ever get toxic when playing Valorant but getting absolutely curbstomped because I, myself, made a mistake and either rushed without backup or didn't use my abilities right or missed a shot or just generally made a mistake, and repeatedly make that mistake and getting ragged on by teammates for it or hearing teammates argue because of it can be pretty frustrating and cause me to stop playing(after the match finishes of course). Nice video, makes me want to think more about my thought process during the game and how I feel when playing 👏
This isn't really related to anger, but when I'm playing with friends over the mic, I usually do worse cuz I approach every game more casually and pay more attention to just messing around than taking the game competitively or seriously, making more mistakes but when I play online, I do a lot better and usually dont make the same errors as when I'm playing with my friends
Of course if you really want to see players destroying themselves with spirals of frustration and self-doubt in a single-player game, you have to look at golf.
You're not wrong. I try to imagine that I'm playing a friend, as opposed to some stranger on the internet.
Whenever I start getting tilted in fighting games, I hear Sajams voice in my head telling me to not resign to the fact that I'm fighting cornball ass characters, and it legit helps
i remember playing dota one night where i lost 7 straight games, totalling out to around 250ish mmr, got demoted, and i was so angry that i really haven't played since then. i launched it on saturday to cast a game, but i think i might still be lowkey angry
he mentioned Lotus that CRAZY love Lotus man
Star Wars Squadrons made "morale" a mechanic within the game, so what that means is you get the double whammy of losing in-game morale and then losing morale in the match you're playing.
I literally STOPPED watching Hook videos because of how annoying it is to hear him whine about playing. He started off being funny, but I don't have the patience for my own toxicity, let alone his.
Zappa's just living his best life
If only everyone was as stoked to play fighting games as dotodoya
This is why I generally leave when it's clear someone's BMing me. It's not good for my mentality and I probably won't learn much from someone like that anyway.
Could you please do a video about “the importance of popping off”?
I'm glad that I learned this lesson from a League TH-camr named Dong Huap. I've long since stopped playing League of Legends, but I still remember not to play any sort of competitive game mode with more than a tablespoonful of salt in my bloodstream.
Everyone plays so toxic and unhappy in for honor. ITS SUCH A WONDERFUL TIME
Yep another person here with the same regrets 😅 I'm learning Tekken and going to training mode if I don't know how to deal with something instead of getting tilted has saved me so much rage. That and just closing the game as I get mad so I can think back to how I lost and improve.
That's one of the benefits of being a masochist when it comes to video games. I can be getting bodied and still have fun, plus it's an opportunity to improve!
tilt in team games is contagious. that's why you gotta be quick to mute shitty people so even if they throw the game you can at least practice fundamentals
had an urge to popoff when Sajam started going in on Supernoon Testament
I like playing people that counter my play style. Even if i get bodied. I like to go from getting 0-2 and then slowing taking a round to taking a game. To being able to have a decent fight.
I just noticed Steve my arm!
the moment i hear im salty come out of my mouth i stop playing immediately
New subscriber man. Love your content. Super positive and informative.
The first time I made it to Celestial, I was getting owned by some Potemkin. They had identified that I'm weak to Megafist and started abusing it.
You can't exactly 6p it easily due to its disjoint, so I was getting smoked a lot by it. Like in all high stakes games, i started to get frustrated but pulled myself together because I *know* how to fight Potemkin, I'm just letting myself lose. I forced a shift in my perspective mid/match and went into an aggressive assault and eventual victory. I could have lost anyway, but I was guaranteed to lose if I kept myself in a salty unhappy mindset.
when i get mad at fg's i mentally defeat myself way before the guy im fighting does, even when i win i get so demotivated to lab or look at the reply
I haven't watched the video yet, and yet the title calls me out so bad.
If you can't control the anger just begin hit the mattress it saves you a controller
Just got salty after a game, how'd you know I needed this?
I actually experienced this over the past two days playing Legends of Runeterra. I'm a decent player. I've hit Mythic in Magic quite a few times. But I also tilt pretty easily. When I was going on a super hot win streak I was talking shit, spamming emotes at my enemy, and making the right moves. I'd catch my mistakes and call em out like, "yup here here and here were decisions that I made that lost me the game." And then I had a few rough losses back to back, and I was like "fuck these god draws everything sucks this game is broken." And it just got worse and worse and worse.
People think competitive games are about having the best character, knowing the meta strategies, and having the execution to use them. But they aren't. They're all mental games. You keep throwing your head against the wall and you're gonna crack.
Talk through your movements. Think about your outs. And most importantly give yourself breaks! If you're streaming, take a time out and talk to chat. If you're at a tournament, sip some water in-between matches. And if you're not doing any of that, you're free to quit! That's the ultimate mental break!
That also sounds like a case of the universe detecting your hubris overdose and correcting it, if you'll pardon my saying so :)
I literally clicked this video because I had an appalling day in Valorant. The universe is saying something