Word is out that Joe Biden is taking money from the trans lobby. The money behind the trans movement is massive and the ideology is being infiltrated all though out the western world. Why would gender ideology be in the govt. There is money driving it. Texas is going against Biden on Title IX and thats a good thing. Who the hell is an 80 year old man to make decisions on sex based rights and womans sports. We are woman not a gender
EXACTLY. They confuse, divide, and anger us with cognitive dissonance from these insane topics, and evil actions that make us all go "OMG!", and while we are scrambling to fix society back to normal, they are robbing all of us blind, and destroying our world all around us as we speak. We never direct the blame where it actually belongs (meaning at the very very top where the whole thing originates from and gets it's real legs) and we fight each other instead of them.
i was going through an old book about borderline personality disorder (BPD), here is a quote: of an individual with BPD, "There is no stable, integrated identity....she pursues an elusive identity." One does this by becoming part of a group, and "is constant search for and need for external organizations and groups, to which she easily adheres, in an attempt to attain a cohesive identity." Who is reporting about BPD in the trans movement, or other mental issues that present with forms of dysphoria which can easily be confused with gender identity.
All the Gen X people I know who transitioned had/have co-morbidites. It's a fairly well understood phenomenon, well it was until 10 years ago. No one promised instant cures. The modern affirmation model is just cracked. I would like to know if there is a single disphoric person without co-morbidites. That would be interesting.
Or there's no such thing as borderline personality disorder, and just let that go. It's nothing, it's a red herring, or whatever. Virtually all purported psychiatric conditions or 'disorders' have no verified existence whatsoever. Maybe a couple of the myriad number of supposed psychiatric disorders that the always trustworthy, and scientifically rock-solid and ultra sound disciplines of psychology/psychiatry have in their infinite wisdom decided are actual things that exist in the apparent form they claim to have discerned.... will survive the continued scrutiny that real understanding of how the brain and consciousness works will eventually reveal. But I suspect most of them will just fade away into oblivion. Just like Sigmund Freud apparently has been largely to completely discredited. Bottom line being this gender/trans ideology or obsession or social contagion or what have you, is madness. Obvious madness. And that teenagers, in this depraved capitalist society we live in, especially teenage girls, will be frequently overwhelmed by their circumstances, and that's a common thing, and whatever they're going through in their respective situations, that there's no way in hell that we, as a decent society, are going to let them somehow get to the stage where they take male hormones, or get their boobs cut off, or embrace in any way this totally evil and insane gender ideology nonsense. Because it is indeed evil and obviously insane, for lack of a better word. For lack of a more genteel description. Wherever it came from, and however it slithered its way into our collective consciousness, and gained social credence and acceptability. And listening to these anti-trans thought leaders is kind of pathetic, IMO. Because this is not difficult. I suppose most liberal types are pretty spineless and timid, and careful, and cautious and circumspect, and not in a particularly good or noble way.... and don't want to make waves in their white-collar milieus, and it takes all they have to be even gingerly disagreeable on something, if it means going against the herd, or possibly jeopardizing their own personal fortunes. I'm no conservative in anyway whatsoever, and you couldn't be any.more left than me when it comes to my socioeconomic opinions and sensibilities.... but Matt Walsh of the The Daily Wire is pretty much an exemplar of how any good person should react to this shit. Zero tolerance, and call these people out, in the most forthright fashion, as the child abusers that they are. In any case if folks like these represent the leadership or the vanguard in any sort of anti-gender movement, we're going to need a bigger boat. Because this almost like Nazi-Germany type shit, when girls 'transition' into boys. Completely effin' perverse and evil. No nuance required. But I do like Benjamin Boyce. That's how I learned more about the horrors of this whole business....
T What would be helpful would be recognizing that GD is a symptom of many other issues, including going thru stages of life where our physical bodies naturally change. ie: puberty, pregnancy, middle age, and if one experiences illness or accident which results in disability.
@Mayadanava why is comorbidity proof of your claims? If I wasn't abused I wouldn't have trauma. You seem to want to promote more abuse. This organization does
@@oliviamaynard9372 do you have Gender disphoria and trauma based co-morbidites? Or are you saying that a scientific/therapy approach to gender disphoria is a trauma that people subjected you to? I am a little confused by your comment. Please define how Genspect is promoting "Abuse".
I believe it started and spread from English usage contries UK, Canada Australia...the past demographics of conditions whether homosexuality, autism, speech pathology, so on tends to be steady unless a strong environment factor is involved, whether physical or social or psychological or maybe propaganda??talk about hockey stick statistics vis a vis so called trans people
it's not "happening", it's implemented, with fake parliement debates that never go in a different direction, banning non -existent so called conversion therapies, illiberal laws on free speech (France is about to make it illegal to discourage someone to take a " potentialy life saving" medication, people thought it was about the vaccine, I got it right away, it's puberty blockers) , state prescribed S-ed, mass gaslighting "it's not happening (of course it is, I see it everywhere around the world)" "you must be a fundamentalist catholic (this is our version of "a biggot") " , "right wing disinformation" (same words, same tricks) and public television suddenly obsessed by drag queens, trans kids ... Nothing is by accident , when you follow several countries you just can't unsee it, it's like a screen play being translated word for word, step by step.
@@jerrylong6238you're trying to school people on evolution but you can't even spell "finally." Typical display of the education system at work. Anything else you wanna school the adults on?
Right? Watching debates like this are such a relief - just to see grown ups having a grown up conversation reassures me I'm not left alone on an asylum planet.
Pamela Peski's intro, in how she describes "illiberalism," is the BEST definition of the "woke" paradigm I have ever heard. I have been trying to refine my own definition, which is very similar, but Pamela's explanation is absolutely clear, concise, complete, and even better, includes the definition of the opposite worldview. I will be spreading this definition as widely as possible!
I agree! Pamela Peski's intro 02:10 - 3:50 should be released as a "short" or reel everywhere. Thank you for your brilliantly clear illustration of liberalism vs illiberalism.
Agreed, and if course we all knew that up until just a few years ago before the "fog" arrived, then something happened, a new ideology on the block, a new force, a new & powerful movement with an (enhanced) rainbow flag 🌈 .... Men actually became women and were to be fully accepted as women ... and it was NOT to be questioned or you would be declared a ~witch~ Bigot or a Transphobe! Hopefully common sense is beginning to re-emerge as more public discussion & debate is had. The UK Government (6th Dec/Kemi) is now leading the way on the long road back to sanity 🇬🇧 Woman = Adult Human Female
The worst part about this is that we have SO MANY talented minds wasting energy on this. What other problems could we solve if we were not fixated on gender
I think its done on purpose by the western world controllers. Divide and conquer, keep the masses occupied with pressing issues and keep them fighting each other, keep changing things and creating non- sense to keep people confused so they don't notice what else they are doing.Its a form of crazy making, gas lighting like with Covid. They change words, create crazy terminology, up is down, left is right, good is bad, etc.
It took me quite a while to realise, and put into words in my own head, that “Transology” is indeed just another religion in the sense that Scientology is so considered. Once you get over that fence you can hear the pieces clicking into place before you. My “key” was the realisation that the central doctrine is a purely metaphysical claim…in line with most other religions. Once you see that and the demand of believers that they Believe the doctrine in the absence of, in opposition to..any scientific, rational or personal internal questioning. Everything seems to follow from that. It is an extreme religion and it has captured some of the heights in ways that Scientology sought to do but ultimately failed.
I agree, and the responsibility on religious communities to both recognize and take responsibility for these things is huge. The irony that there is not a proveable God to save humanity, but that this belief in a God might very well be what helps to doom humanity because of the very effectiveness of its own storytelling and metaphysical claims is incredible. Christians fail to see the connections between verbal control mechanisms (blasphemy, cursing, prayer claims) and their own social Truth claims of becoming something by speaking it into existence. Born again seems to me affiliated to deadnaming (think even Saul into Paul and the importance of that name change) and while it seems like it should be a trolling campaign due to the similarities, I think it's more dire as being much more closely related. Not to go too hard against only religion, but the internet and attention economy certainly seems very influential as well (thinking Avatar modification), but again, I would say that the distinctions between Cults vs Religions vs Activists are not so far apart.
@elouise5593 you have absolutely no empirical evidence to beck up your extraordinary claims. You obviously have no understanding of the responsibility of _burden of proof_ and are complicit yet ignorant how your unfounded views feed into narratives like 'personal truths' that are on par with 'personal jeebus' narratives. Pull your head out of your butt.
Yes and it is the only religion that is enforced on us in the west so it is a religion and it is surreal that we are finding ourselves in a situation of religious compulsion in this century complete with media takeover and the burning of heretics.
How to square this movement with the recent overturning of Roe v Wade? That move seemed to me to be the elites response to declining numbers of 'white' babies (in contrast to rising numbers of migrants of color and an elevated birth rate among non-white populations) and an effort to enforce pregnancy on fertile young white women. I don't think the elites plan is very coherent, either.
We really need to ramp up our requirement efforts then, as the population is still growing and we'll run out of new land to grow food before the 22nd century at current growth rate. Attend "gender reveal" parties and give free chocolate loaded with hormone pills. Blue balloons = bring estrogen laced chocolate 🍫 Pink balloons =testosterone laced gummy bears 🐻 Then tell the expecting mother to eat during the third trimester to ensure their child will be so athletically superior they have to ban them from sports, so intellectually superior the World Chess Federation has to ban them to be fair, and also they'll be so cool that they'll be such trend setters that people meeting them will assume they're just following the trend. 📈
Thank you, I felt I was just me! I keep making this connection and then berating myself it simply cannot be this calculated. I since then settled with the idea it's not consciously induced of forced by global institutions, but happens as by-product and is welcomed as a bonus of the gender policies.
If everybody was scientifically literate, this just wouldn't be happening.....people's jaws would drop with incredulity as soon as anyone said 'transwomen are women' or 'sex is on a spectrum'. It's just too ridiculous for words.
27:18 *_"Autogynephilia (derived from Greek for 'love of oneself as a woman')_* is a term coined by Blanchard for "a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female", intending for the term to refer to "the full gamut of erotically arousing cross-gender behaviors and fantasies"."
Are "girl bosses" autoandrophiles? The presentation appears to be almost over the top corporate femme, not masculine. Are they driven to be "bosses" for sexual reasons?
I feel the same as Christina. This issue (along with the 2020 riots, along with the coronavirus, etc etc) made me rethink everything I thought I believed
I wish the lady who spoke about Jazz had used his true pronouns: he/him as he has undergone cosmetic and endocrin interventions to appear female, which he is not.
It has just hit me what a huge psychological operation the show I am jazz is. It is a multi-million dollar show much like The Truman show is the fiction movie. I don't see how Jazz keeps any form of sanity that he has left
Another member of the panel talked about how activists and journalists (but I repeat myself) use language to "create reality". Unfortunately, it is all too easy to fall into the traps they lay for the unsuspecting Mr / Ms average. The use of "she" for a boy, "because that's what nice people do", is just such a trap.
Men are the Proletariat sl@ve worker producer maintainer class. Wmn are the Bourgeoisie Sl@veowner privileged leisure consumer class. Feminism Ruins Everything.
Perhaps they don't want to get sued, if Jazz is still identifying as a "girl"? The WEF pushes this, and they have trillions of dollars to spend on lawyers.
In all fairness though, in regards to Jazz I struggle to know what to do. Jazz was pulled into this at such a young age, and being a “she” is all Jazz has ever known, through no fault of their own. The poor kid must be so confused and I wonder if we only add to the confusion by using “he” when Jazz has never really lived the life of a boy. Child abuse on the parents part 100%.
So far I have not seen even one person that has gone all the way from one sex to the other. We have a lot of people stuck in the middle, with no way back. Due to strictly medical interference. It will be necessary to help those people back into normal life, if they want it. And also preventing more casualties in the future. Until six months ago, I had no idea this was happening. Thank you for pushing through the noise. We are starting to hear you and pushing back. I was just too busy being open minded and kind. I’m awake now
Gender affirming care is a billion dollar industry. The amount of money medical professionals make and even therapist make by affirming this nonsense. They make so much money they just push these people into the system to get their body parts chopped off and affirming their mental disorder and that's why we're ending up with so many de transitioners. who were pushed to it by medical doctors and this movement and it's why they push all these falsehoods like gender and sex are two different things(although why would they need sex reassignment or to take cross sex hormones if it's not about biological sex) and inflating numbers with things like the number of intersex people and saying sex is not binary and on some kind of spectrum. You cannot change sex. Every single cell of our body that has a nucleus has either an X X or an X Y chromosome in it and each cell behaves according to its complement of sex chromosomes independently of hormones. There's a host of biological and sex specific differences. Our sexual organization begins with our DNA and development in the womb, and that sex differences manifest themselves in many bodily systems and organs, all the way down to the molecular level. Our physical organization for one of two functions in reproduction shapes us organically, from the beginning of life, at every level of our being. The scientific definition of biological sex is, for almost all human beings, clear, binary, and stable, reflecting an underlying biological reality that is not contradicted by exceptions to sex-typical behavior, and cannot be altered by surgery or social conditioning. By contrast, the concept of gender is not well defined. It is generally taken to refer to behaviors and psychological attributes that tend to be typical of a given sex, stereotypes. Most organisms form two different types of gametes. In these anisogamous species, the two sexes are referred to as male (producing sperm or microspores) and female (producing ova or megaspores) There are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it. We know there are only two sexes because there are only two possible sex cells (sperm or egg).Human males are those whose sexual anatomy is organized around the production (and delivery) of sperm. Human females are those whose sexual anatomy is organized around the production of eggs. That’s it. There are no other possible sex cells in existence. There is no person on earth who can produce a sex cell that isn’t either a sperm or an egg. Furthermore, no one can produce both. Though some may be incapable of producing one or the other (due to prematurity, advanced age, or a developmental anomaly), that doesn’t disqualify the norm that human beings are made to produce either one of two sex cells: sperm or egg. humans can be born with different anatomical or chromosomal variations (XXY, XXXY, etc.) that affect their sexual anatomy and physiology, but these represent natural variations within the male and female sexes. in rare circumstances it might be difficult to know because their chromosomes or anatomy might make it unclear. That, however, does not mean the person might be both, neither, or some third sex. Difficulty in classifying someone as male or female does not render our biological knowledge of the sexual binary suddenly invalid. Like the example of some people are born with three copies (instead of two) of chromosome 21 (trisomy 21, AKA Down syndrome). That doesn’t negate the fact that humans should only have two copies of chromosome 21. All of us were created by the union of two sex cells: a sperm and an egg. There’s no other possible cell that can be involved in the production of a new human being. There are only two sexes because there are only two types of sex cells. Human bodies are made for two-sex intercourse. Everything we know about the male and female sex organs tells us that these two body systems are complementary. They not only fit together, but they function together.. These parts function together. The male and female reproductive organs are part of the only body system that requires a separate body of the opposite sex to fulfill its ultimate function. Sperm and egg, left within the testicles or ovaries, will never meet their full potential until they’re brought together in male-female sexual intercourse. This process requires exactly two (not one, three, or any other combination) different human sexes to complete. T
Well, - and I agree with what you have said - there's a very good reason why you haven't seen even one person go all the way from one sex to another, which is because we are mammals, a sexually dimorphic species in which sex is binary and cannot be changed. The best any endocrinologist or surgeon can do is alter the body cosmetically.
That’s what I’m talking about. And “so called adults” professionals, college educated, scientists, are telling children they can. Children take things literally. I can’t understand what possible reason anyone one would have to even contemplate such heinous thoughts. I understand why pharmaceutical companies would like it. How low does a human being be to have to be to push this kind of lie on children. Our children. It’s a crime against humanity. As far as I know these medical experiments have not even been tested on lab rats. And I haven’t even started to rant.@@carltaylor6452
This was all new to me in February or March of this year. I have read and read and read and watched hundreds of hours of interviews. Because of my regard for a dear friend who is very postmodernist, in good faith I tried to find evidence based information supporting transgenderism. At first I was very confused and now I am not. I’m reality based, in material reality. Like at least one of the speakers on the panel, I am politically homeless. I support homosexual people and fear for Aspie girls (like I was). I support single sex spaces where they are needed for privacy, modesty, dignity, and safety.
Wow. I read Tomboy and felt that Lisa Selin Davis was THIS CLOSE to peaking… great to hear from her here! Loved the book, excellent history of the varied acceptance and suppression of “masculine” traits in girls throughout the past couple hundred years. It’s gone back and forth more than you might think!
Most of these people are half caught up in the trans way of thinking themselves. Listening to them is like watching people trying to emerge from a dream they know they are in but can't quite wake up from. Especially that guy in the middle.
As a trained journalist we were always taught to prioritise unbiased reporting over everything else but we were also taught that some things were going to get more clicks than others. Unfortunately unbiased reporting is not one of those things. I did some work in a small blog where i primarily covered political issues and the moment I left the same issues were being covered by people not trained in journalism who were extreme leftists - guess which ones were clicked on more 😂
T 16:00. Yes, the journalistic rules are encoded in media style guides, but they are opaque to the public, many of whom consider themselves very well informed because they read the news every day…
The left did that to itself. The identity politics has infected everything so badly, that if I know your views on trans, 98% of hot other opinions will not need asking about. There are probably zero right wing non binary people.Greta and her crew are all anti isreal. Big shocker. Every issue is dictated once you're a member of these tribes. And the bloody left think they're the only virtuous people in the room. So you're going to get this stuff overlapping. Gaza is what's on people's minds and everyone's an activist.
My own learning has let me to abandon the tv anchor who makes millions and is beloved by liberals, because she *knows* some of what is going on in the lesbian community, but won't use her platform to out all this. She could single-handedly end this with her power and viewership. I pray for the bubble to burst and for us to openly talk about the enormous variations of humans and how they wish to self-express and how we can best serve people without a black and white binary (ironically) view that there is no binary.
You mean you think Rachel Maddow could end all this? Like in one fell swoop? But I guess because she's just too liberal enough that she wouldn't dare, huh? She's more liberal than she is lesbian. I guess one of them pays the bills, one of them doesn't....
You can express yourself anyway you want, but there only two sexes. Binary. Sex is different than personality. There is still no such thing as a little bit pregnant. Opinions on the other hand are non binary.
she's not going to lump herself in with cruel right wingers. this is not the right time for dems/liberals to rail on this subject. we have a bigger fish to fry and if he isn't fried, trans stuff isn't going to matter anymore. we'll all be sinking.
Ha ha are you talking about a certain R_____ M______. If you believe that person is still doing genuine journalism rather than propaganda, you haven't fully peaked.
At 34:30 the journalist-liberalism panelist talks about a "moral inversion". I'm concerned we don't assume people have a moral framework strong enough to invert. What we are witnessing is a moral debasement, Uri Bezmenov's demoralisation stage. Morality and critical thinking are desperatly lacking in everybody's upbringing. I found these subjects fascinating and have alway's thirsted for debate and review of our public morality.
We need to educate people about autogyophillia . I wish that the psychologist in the glasses hadn’t spoken about reporting issues regarding Israel and Hamas. There are plenty that could say very similar things about it from the other side with strong evidence .Please do not drag into this debate. It will blow up.
I agree. They're completely separate issues and shouldn't be conflated. There are gender critical people (and pro-trans people) on both sides of the Israel / Palestine conflict.
Are there? How many non binary conservatives do you know? Do left wingers support Hamas? If you're into climate ideology, you likely support Hamas, trans, BLM, ....identity politics is real.
I completely agree. As a Jew, I object to my support of peace and human rights in Gaza being conflated with support of the murderous members of Hamas. Ditto for talk of red pilling. We risk alienating people from this extremely important discussion by straying from the point at hand. People
@@nattie_ceee5989 while it's true that these issues can/should be separated (despite the connection via "TransTiFa" as some call that intersection), I'm aware of critics including a few Muslims and ex-Muslims, who point out that a small minority of people in Gaza and West Bank care about or desire Peace or Human Rights as Lib-Left says that. The reasons for that viewpoint of rejection of peace seem to go back to one of the "founding fathers" of the modern Marxist concept of "a Palestinian people", Amin Al-Husseini. Al-Husseini and folks called themselves Arabs or Syrians or Egyptians, not Palestinians. One testified to the British that "Palestinian" was a propaganda term created by Jews. Al-Husseini's life-path led him to voicing outrageously blatant calls for mass annihilation, and an appointment by his buddy Adolf H to chief Intelligence Officer for the Palestine region or entire Near East, with plans on Final Solution 2.0 at a proposed death camp in Samaria. Then, much of that can be traced back to Mohammed, both the Quran and books on the Hadiths. This including the infamous Gharqad Tree verse Sura 2922, that was ordered preached in WB mosques by Abbas, after 10/07. I used to be a Leftist for Palestine with the naive viewpoint that the group or person with less power (and less privilege?) was inherently good, and inherently Oppressed, opposed by groups accused of having more power and privilege, who are inherently evil. Then top that off with the recognition that followers of the religion that says Salvation and Heaven can not be obtained without helping annihilate J people, AND THAT _IS_ THE HEIGHT OF MORAL GOODNESS, obedience to commands of Allah via Mohammed (p.b.u.h.). Given these factors, none 100% universal, exceptions exist, where does this path lay towards achieving peace and human rights in Gaza and WB among The Masses or grassroots there who believe the same as Hamas believes, joins Hamas, volunteers to support Hamas in various ways? I mean, in contrast, only a small minority of MAGA people want Final Solution 2.0. The vast majority want Israel & Jews to exist and thrive .
@@zeldagoblinYou're everything wrong with political discourse. Believe it or not some people are actually individuals and can think for themselves without having to assign themselves to one single predetermined political 'box'.
I so appreciate Ms Peski's delineation of the differences between the radical trans movement and the other parts of society. I feel freed by the truth of her analysis. I can't thank you enough. This movement and it's transparent attempts to bully, shame and coerce the rest of us (and it's relative success!) has had me in a tailspin for some time. This knowledge is immensely helpful.
The day they pronounced the words "hey kids", was the beginning of the end for the whole ideology. NOBODY fights harder than parents fighting for their kids.
So great to see Benjamin Boyce develop. I started watching him the year the Evergreen State College blew up in the DEI mess. Benjamin's influence has grown so much, good to see him here.
Thank you for speaking out!!! I have no personal connection to the issue, but just as a human observing I am disgusted how this ideology has been allowed to destroy the health and lives of young people, as well as their families.
"i was a good liberal, i did what i was told, i never quesitoned the MSM." and we really think people like this should have a say in the direction of politics... might as well be a number in a poll.
I don’t really understand the connection between being pro trans and pro Palestine. Yes it is disgusting for anyone to justify the rapes and murders committed by Hamas. We can also acknowledge that Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed.
Seems to me that both sides would like to ethnically cleanse the other, Palestine is just doing a worse job right now. Trans/queer/leftist ideologues side with Palestine because they automatically see the losing side as oppressed and the victim of colonialist occupation. And they believe that those without power are morally superior.
She was just making the point of how a lot of these people are willing to ignore and dismiss atrocities when it doesn't fit with their narrative. They will call someone a Nazi for very little, but will attack someone who supports the existence of Israel and chase down Jewish students. They will cry about 'misgendering ' but treat serious surgery such as mastectomy with just a shrug. They corrupt language by calling Hamas 'freedom fighters' and the harm being done to children as 'gender affirming care.' That's the connection she was making.
Excellent panel Thankyou, has furthered my understanding. The warp that media producers have walked into is mind blowing, pure cult guff, and for what? To find a superior intelligencia? Hell’s hubris
I had a really hard time following lisa sand davis. I truely had no idea her point and the only information i was able to get was the important one that media “style guides” are not guides for things like length of sentences or where to use sub clauses but actually what the truth is and what truth you will get past the editors. That was a stunning revelation in the now obviousness of limiting free thinking and open exchange of ideas. We are on a very sick path at the moment and i pray that something will turn it around. Any one want to help me create a company like mathnasium except focused on critical thinking and civics
Great panel, but the Gaza issue is slightly different in my view. The conflation of "anti-Zionism" and "anti-Semitism" and the difference between "protesting injustice" and "supporting terrorism" is a debate in its own right with a lot of zero-sum thinking. However, that debate has a lot more objective evidence to deal with than the trans debate that is mostly based on "feelings". Ben Appel had it best when he called for more nuanced understanding of the issue. You can support the idea that some people may have their brain wired to think that they are the opposite sex, but that doesn't mean that we should support automatic affirmation by anyone who thinks this way.
Me, white guy, was married to a black woman. We where together for 18 years, she divorced me soon after reading White Fragility.. My ex boss, a man I worked with on and off for 20 years, her personally hired me at 2 companies he help start, a POC from Siri Lanka, became woke, and after he found out about my divorced, he fired me when it was convenient for the project. My family has trouble believing it, and they suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. Long story short.
@@MRsnuggles-u9i Not excitement. No feelings AT ALL. Just getting bored waiting for midwits to show proof that I am wrong. BTW I'm from a country where you CANT drink the water.
@@moodrahkamite818 it is not humanly possible to have no feelings at all. people who think they dont have feelings about things are usually the most emotionally repressed. you play a dangerous game pretending you arent feeling anything about what youre saying.
I don't know if journalists have ever been objective. 30 years ago I became an expert on a couple of contentious subjects and if a media outlet lied to me about those topics, then I knew they were lying to me about everything. Every news outlet picked sides on the topics I knew well and lied about them. News Media have been activists as far back as I can remember, the only difference is that this panel has found the subject they've become experts on and can see it for themselves.
27:07 Ben talks about the changing definitions even during the same conversation. My wife calls this windmills and muddles and it makes it impossible to continue a rational conversation.
Great panel. However, the young lady constantly on her phone was so visually distracting that it interfered with my focus on the speakers' words. I had to cover the part of my phone screen that showed her. Such rude behavior and display of a lack of social awareness. Similar to someone going on a date and being on their phone all the time. Further evidence of how phones are warping people, esp. the young people... Can't make eye contact, compulsively reaching for the phone every 5 seconds, rudely disengaged and unself-aware. No recognition of appropriate formality...thinking it's okay to be presenting on a panel while acting like you're hanging out at home on your couch.
Very unfortunate that Pamela Paresky took this opportunity to expose her extremely irrelevant pro-Israel views. She's completely OFF TOPIC, it is very disrespectful to the other panelists and it does a disservice to the trans debate, which should NOT be mixed with extremely polarized geopolitical issues. I binge-watched several excellent talks on this channel, from beginning to end, but after her second attempt to pretend the media is biased against Israel (seriously?!?), I just skipped to the next talk.
Just found this channel and I'm grateful that there's a serious and sincere conversation about the gender ideology but I hope that you would avoid using this subject to platform other ideas or propaganda like Pamela Pesky did twice with misguided information or perhaps propaganda about the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.
Unfortunately, we have created, trained and accepted generations of credentialed "experts," who never challenge what they learned in the institutions that granted those credentials. Be they doctors, professors, journalists, and others. And we have been conditioned to trust their knowledge or information. However, we have plenty of evidence that experts lack of curiosity and rigidity causes abundant harm.
I agree with all comments about gender issues, but to veer into the Palestine/Israel issue warranted both sides of that incredibly complex story and comment about the IDF’s genocidal war strategy. Which of course doesn’t excuse Hamas crimes. E we need open debate about all the nuances in the many complex issues humanity facing.
On the health care issue mentioned near the end… early on I found myself thinking there was something wrong about the narrative that trans people weren’t getting healthcare because of bigotry of doctors. I didn’t think that sounded right in today’s liberal society. Now I realize it wasn’t that but rather the chief complaint was that not enough healthcare orgs, docs and insurance were not going along with what people wanted-“Give me blockers, give me hormones, give me affirming surgeries and cover all of it. Let me decide the care I should get not the doctors, counselors etc.” Flash forward and now they DO get those services and are given deference more than any other “marginalized group.”But it impacts all of us as taxpayers and rate payers. We are paying for healthy young people on Medicaid to have body parts removed and then to fix all the ensuing medical problems that arise afterwards. Same goes with insurance rates-we are seeing huge rate increases to pay for all these unnecessary medical interventions because of a social media, internet contagion aided by media and politicians on the left. I am politically homeless these days because of all this postmodern garbage. It has unfortunately taken over all of our institutions. It’s a very disheartening time.
That is ridiculous to cal that liberal. Just because a portion of people have commandeered and call themselves certain words, such as “progressive” or “liberal” doesn’t make them so. Liberal is not the “inversion” of believing in truth etc. lol. But I do agree that there are a lot of really annoying self-proclaimed ‘liberals’ out there but if you look up the etymology and traditional meaning of “liberal” and “progressive” you’ll see that many or most of the people who call themselves that aren’t actually that
Why would “left media” tell anyone anything about scientific research and medicine? I can read research papers, WHO and American Medical Association positions myself. Can you? 🤭
My first foray into the post October-7th attack debate was on a discord server that happened to be filled with self-described socialist and communist people, many of whom identify as trans. I was overwhelmed to find that they all seemed to support Palestine. Talking with them, I got the impression that they side with Palestine because they automatically see the losing side as oppressed and the victim of colonialist occupation. And they believe that those without power are morally superior. I was told on that server that I cant "both sides bad" a genocide, but they seem to be doing something very similar in saying that Palestine killed 1,300 people, and Israel has killed 30,000, therefore "Palestine good, Israel bad".
It's the oppressor opressee matrix. If you're in power, you're an oppressor. I wonder if these same people will fight for us normies when they have all the power or if they'll call their revolution quits. I think we can guess the answer to that
Or …. Or … Or maybe even the Post-Modernists get things right, once in a while ? 🤷♂️ What is occurring in Israel is SIEGE WARFARE on a ,mostly , unarmed population. Personally , I think BOTH SIDES are ideologically captured ; humans are irrational 🤷♂️
I'm 63 and technically a transgender I'm a gay or lesbian you can we've lived through all this The moral of the story is this is not a left Democrat thing or a right fox thing or magazine This is a human condition it's being exploited on both ends which is causing the confusion This is it been exploited for 15 years in the political through the political lens and religious extremism that is what is bad in hurting the children but I agree we have a distorted hate for LGBT children and it pushes people into surgery and it's wrong but don't make it a left or a right thing That's where you lose me just a little advice from Grandma. ❤👍🙏 And I don't have an agenda.
I wish the young journalist would get off of her phone! I am loving these panelists but she is a panelist, she should be aware that she is presenting herself as checked out, distracted and disrespectful of the other speakers.
Her name is Christina Buttons, she’s not a real journalist and has no business representing herself as one. He was drawing art in her bedroom during Covid and suddenly got a job online writing for Post Millennial then moved to Daily Wire and then moved to her boyfriend’s publication all in the space of a year.
It so nice of you to host this woman who gets off on targeting children from private support groups to harass. She is just such a victim, she needs the support. It's really hard for her when people tell the truth about her grift, terrorizing children.
I had the non affirmative model. All i can say is curing me was torture and it made my life so much worse. Society hates gender non conforming males. Its safer to trans. If i wanted to use my real personality. I got tired of the false personality i used to conform.
Women have been murdered for being women. Being a woman is hard too, but we don't get to choose. Women have been jailed for wearing pants. Change is not easy, but it's not an excuse to throw others under the bus, especially women who had to fight so hard for the little they got and that's taken away by lazy trans.
OK. I thought this might be an interesting discussion. Quite open on this topic. Last panalist just talked about “Trump derangement syndrome.” The thing about this subject is just when you think there’s a nuanced conversation to be had - it goes MAGA. Thanks to her I’m tuning out.
Did you watch Genspects playlist of the Bigger Picture Conference - Killarney, Ireland (last april)? Little to none irrelevant political references in that conference, but lots of relevant content. Edit changed a word
You don't think people are DERANGED about Trump? I had known for a while of his long ties to the NYC rap scene and Black philanthropy, but just 2 days ago a Black man pointed out that the ONLY major donor funding for the Presidential campaign of Jesse Jackson was Donald Trump. The "derangement" is IGNORING everything about that, including photos and video and past praise by famous Black people to say he's a racist and Nazi. Ditto, Trump's ambassador pushing other backwards nations to stop making homosexuality a serious crime.
"Defund the police" Was a response to the militarization of local police depts getting leftover hardware that was really out of proportion to what their mission is - "de-militarize the police" doesn't make nearly as nice a bumper sticker.
@pamelaglickman1216 I had to look that up, I'd never heard of it. But it has a very long history, dating to 1905...and for the same reasons - abuse of police power.
We can learn a lot from King Solomon you know Don't cut the baby in half The true mother needs to love the baby but don't be out here talking and degrading LGBT children just because you had a bad experience you don't know what somebody else's experience is going to be by 65 years of their age.
The second speaker is wrong about the correlation between how people approach the Israel/Palestine issue and how they approach gender. Her very factual premise about what’s happening in Israel/Palestine is wrong, not to mention the way that she frames the narrative. Rape is ALWAYS wrong and there is NEVER an excuse for it. The same true about killing innocent civilians/children. But her idea that those things factually happened by Hamas on Oct 7th on Israelis has been debunked. The IDF killed the majority of Israeli civilians that day out of an attempt to keep them from becoming bargaining chips by Hamas and by trying to kill as many Hamas militants as possible without care for collateral damage. And there is no evidence that anyone was raped. The recent NYT article has been wholly debunked.
I thought it was a great discussion! I almost did not watch it when I saw creepy Ben's face on the video screenshot! Genspect please find some who doesn't make half the world cringe as your official interviewer!
Benjamin has given the world long form interviews of more gay and trans and shunned ex-trans individuals than any other centrist video creator. Am I mistaken? What's cringe about that? I've heard some say they were terrified to be interviewed until they watched Benjamin, then felt comfortable enough to go live with him and tell their story.
There are no left media. They are all on the right of politics. Always have been. Just pretending in order to comply with the agenda. In case anyone doesn't know, it's all driven by climate change. Hilary Clinton said that mass immigration is due to climate change. The 1st world is the modern Noah's Ark. 'The west is the best. Get here and we'll do the rest. Jim Morrison. Rip.
@@iwo612 I'm on Planet Earth. It travels an orbit around the sun. Did you know? In winter we are at our closest to the sun? Doesn't sound feasible, does it. But it's true. Also, we have climate change which is forcing poor countries to empty their prisons and exporting the contents to our shores. Donald Trump, in conversation with Elon Musk, told him crime has plummeted around the world. Venezuela's crime rate has reduced by 72%. They exported them to Uncle Sam. The elite rulers are behind all this. And Freemasonry. Poor countries are suffering the most due to climate change. Their countries are hotter climes. One third of their crops are failing as a consequence. Hence the need to export their people. The people in promenant positions are playing at lefty politics to help the poorest countries reduce their numbers so they can feed the rest. First world countries have to soak up the problem because we are wealthy. Also, our top soil is deeper and in cooler climes. You see?? I'm not crazy after all.!!!! I'll provide you with a link so you can know all about climate change, its effect and what's being done to tackle it. geoengineeringwatch.org While there, please watch the docu film 'The Dimming'. Clear proof of geoengineering going on in our skies.
Commenting about Israel and Palastine is inappropriate and concerning. I did not tune in to hear simplistic pro-zionist propaganda. I will continue to listen and hope these opinions are stifled.
@teks128project Imagine having YOUR opinion stifled.... Wow. You must believe you're on the right side of history. Historically, you're in with some interesting company.
I agree politics out side of those related to gender should be avoided. I dont want to know what they think about trump or hamas in this forum. Or even what they think about media other than how it relates to gender. It makes me question the motives and message of the speaker when they bring in irrelevant politics.
They are entitled to their existence, as are women. Stop taking everything away from women so men can get all of their tantrums answered. Stop prioritising trans over women. Not putting trans needs over everyone's else is not hate. This is a regrading of "feminists hate men" just because women are tired of being oppressed. Not getting everything you want is not hate and it's not oppression.
@@daviru02 They already do love themselves, and even when they say that you still twist that into an argument of narcissism. You're not arguing from a logical place beyond "trans icky" and inventing justifications for it that make you personally feel better.
@osakanone they do? Lol. If they loved themselves for who they were, they wouldn't be saying something they're not. It's nothing but larping in public.
Defending attacks on gaza was stupid and not good thinking. Hamas is terrorist organisaation AND 13 800 children have been killed in Gaza. I'm really sad if this is considered balanced in the US.
Hamas is hiding among civilians. What do you want Israel to do? See how you react if you were in danger of being brutally raped, mutilated, burned alive and massacred in your own home, or kidnapped and kept in underground tunnels without proper medical treatment for 8 months now. You don't care that Israeli civilians live in this fear now, or that there are hundreds of people that still can't go back to their homes since October 7. All you care is the Palestinians who supports the attacks of October 7. Seriously I'd like to see how you would act if that was you who lived with this fear.
@@saoirse2963 hun, so you think that all irish people should have been bombed because IRA was hiding among civilians? Or you just see this differently because of what excatly? The war and destruction of innocent children on Gaza cannot be justified. Not letting humanitarian aid through cannot be justified. People on Gaza have at the moment less than a liter of water per person per day. Little kids are dying of thirst and hunger. In the end this is only making the world more dangerous for israeli civilians. Isreal cannot kill all 2,3 million people living on Gaza. But they can and are creating more and more future terrorists.
You don't know anything about the Palestinians. It's an extremely radicalised population, they learn to hate - hate as in annihilate - Jewish Israelis from infancy. They learn it at schools and at homes. During the brutal massacre of October 7 some terrorists call to their families and bragged of murdering Jews in their beds and the families congratulate them. The Palestinians brought children after the slaughter to rob the houses of the Jewish people they just massacred. There is a video showing Palestinian boys mocking a Jewish child who calls for his mother after his father was just murdered in front of his eyes. The Palestinians voted for Hamas, and they still support it after October 7 even now. They are pretty much all radicalised, whoever isn't was either run away to Israel or other countries, or was murdered by Hamas people. And Hamas built their whole headquarters, hiding places, ammunition, etc., in Palestinians civilians places, so how do you want Israel would fight them? It's not an army against army, these are terrorists hiding among civilians who support them. UNRWA, whom most employees are Palestinians, are totally in it too and ammunition were found in UNRWA establishments. You are all talking without knowing the situation. I'd like to see how you would deal with all this. I guess you will just be okay with being in real actual danger of having October 7 happening to you as long as you don't hurt anyone? Give me a break. Israel does what it could to not harm civilians, but this is impossible. By the way, the Palestinians are not the natives of the land, just so you know.
Here we are talking about the trans madness and that lady had to bring up how hamas is a terrorist organization right? Judging by her necklace, I wish she wasnt such a stereotype... keep it on topic, otherwise you will alianate people who would otherwise be on your side.
I tried to listen through the entire discussion, but I could not. What seemed interesting and perhaps purposeful at first devolved into the same basic and tired bit of trans bashing. I found myself wishing the speakers stated their true intent for their stances on the topic but it was never said aloud. I guess it really did not need to be stated anyway. As a transwoman who truly tries to understand and extend her emphatic will towards anyone who makes sense from a logical and secular basis, I could not do that here.
I did not hear any "trans bashing". Just acknowledgement that manipulating children into doing this, is becoming a big money making industry and they are rushing children into this, which is devastating to their longterm health, in many ways. Adukts should be free to do to their own bodies what they want, but they are manipulating children, at increasingly, alarmingly, ever-higher rates. Which ruins many young lives, full of regrets and devastation.
Over a thousand families in the UK are suing the Tavistock clinic for “life altering physical and psychological damage” Turns out chemically castrating and surgically removing organs isn’t health care! Media - not a word. Two huge studies strongly indicate that the affirmative model solves nothing. The trans movement is hovering up mostly gay children and the mentally vulnerable; telling them it’s because they are in the wrong body, then filling them with harmful drugs and operating on them. Appalling ignorance
I'm Ben Appel's worst nemesis. I'm a gay male who uses gender medicine. (estrogen, blockers, and later castration) It's about the body you want to live in not about what activities you want to.
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Trans could also be a media distraction from the very real and more pressing issues humanity is facing at this time.
Word is out that Joe Biden is taking money from the trans lobby. The money behind the trans movement is massive and the ideology is being infiltrated all though out the western world. Why would gender ideology be in the govt. There is money driving it. Texas is going against Biden on Title IX and thats a good thing. Who the hell is an 80 year old man to make decisions on sex based rights and womans sports. We are woman not a gender
EXACTLY. They confuse, divide, and anger us with cognitive dissonance from these insane topics, and evil actions that make us all go "OMG!", and while we are scrambling to fix society back to normal, they are robbing all of us blind, and destroying our world all around us as we speak. We never direct the blame where it actually belongs (meaning at the very very top where the whole thing originates from and gets it's real legs) and we fight each other instead of them.
i was going through an old book about borderline personality disorder (BPD), here is a quote: of an individual with BPD, "There is no stable, integrated identity....she pursues an elusive identity." One does this by becoming part of a group, and "is constant search for and need for external organizations and groups, to which she easily adheres, in an attempt to attain a cohesive identity." Who is reporting about BPD in the trans movement, or other mental issues that present with forms of dysphoria which can easily be confused with gender identity.
All the Gen X people I know who transitioned had/have co-morbidites. It's a fairly well understood phenomenon, well it was until 10 years ago.
No one promised instant cures. The modern affirmation model is just cracked. I would like to know if there is a single disphoric person without co-morbidites.
That would be interesting.
Or there's no such thing as borderline personality disorder, and just let that go. It's nothing, it's a red herring, or whatever. Virtually all purported psychiatric conditions or 'disorders' have no verified existence whatsoever. Maybe a couple of the myriad number of supposed psychiatric disorders that the always trustworthy, and scientifically rock-solid and ultra sound disciplines of psychology/psychiatry have in their infinite wisdom decided are actual things that exist in the apparent form they claim to have discerned.... will survive the continued scrutiny that real understanding of how the brain and consciousness works will eventually reveal. But I suspect most of them will just fade away into oblivion. Just like Sigmund Freud apparently has been largely to completely discredited.
Bottom line being this gender/trans ideology or obsession or social contagion or what have you, is madness. Obvious madness. And that teenagers, in this depraved capitalist society we live in, especially teenage girls, will be frequently overwhelmed by their circumstances, and that's a common thing, and whatever they're going through in their respective situations, that there's no way in hell that we, as a decent society, are going to let them somehow get to the stage where they take male hormones, or get their boobs cut off, or embrace in any way this totally evil and insane gender ideology nonsense. Because it is indeed evil and obviously insane, for lack of a better word. For lack of a more genteel description. Wherever it came from, and however it slithered its way into our collective consciousness, and gained social credence and acceptability.
And listening to these anti-trans thought leaders is kind of pathetic, IMO. Because this is not difficult. I suppose most liberal types are pretty spineless and timid, and careful, and cautious and circumspect, and not in a particularly good or noble way.... and don't want to make waves in their white-collar milieus, and it takes all they have to be even gingerly disagreeable on something, if it means going against the herd, or possibly jeopardizing their own personal fortunes. I'm no conservative in anyway whatsoever, and you couldn't be any.more left than me when it comes to my socioeconomic opinions and sensibilities.... but Matt Walsh of the The Daily Wire is pretty much an exemplar of how any good person should react to this shit. Zero tolerance, and call these people out, in the most forthright fashion, as the child abusers that they are. In any case if folks like these represent the leadership or the vanguard in any sort of anti-gender movement, we're going to need a bigger boat. Because this almost like Nazi-Germany type shit, when girls 'transition' into boys. Completely effin' perverse and evil. No nuance required. But I do like Benjamin Boyce. That's how I learned more about the horrors of this whole business....
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What would be helpful would be recognizing that GD is a symptom of many other issues, including going thru stages of life where our physical bodies naturally change. ie: puberty, pregnancy, middle age, and if one experiences illness or accident which results in disability.
@Mayadanava why is comorbidity proof of your claims? If I wasn't abused I wouldn't have trauma. You seem to want to promote more abuse. This organization does
@@oliviamaynard9372 do you have Gender disphoria and trauma based co-morbidites?
Or are you saying that a scientific/therapy approach to gender disphoria is a trauma that people subjected you to?
I am a little confused by your comment.
Please define how Genspect is promoting "Abuse".
And this is happening all over the western world.
Starting in West but being imposed on all other countries too (by the west, via the UN)
I believe it started and spread from English usage contries UK, Canada Australia...the past demographics of conditions whether homosexuality, autism, speech pathology, so on tends to be steady unless a strong environment factor is involved, whether physical or social or psychological or maybe propaganda??talk about hockey stick statistics vis a vis so called trans people
it's not "happening", it's implemented, with fake parliement debates that never go in a different direction, banning non -existent so called conversion therapies, illiberal laws on free speech (France is about to make it illegal to discourage someone to take a " potentialy life saving" medication, people thought it was about the vaccine, I got it right away, it's puberty blockers) , state prescribed S-ed, mass gaslighting "it's not happening (of course it is, I see it everywhere around the world)" "you must be a fundamentalist catholic (this is our version of "a biggot") " , "right wing disinformation" (same words, same tricks) and public television suddenly obsessed by drag queens, trans kids ... Nothing is by accident , when you follow several countries you just can't unsee it, it's like a screen play being translated word for word, step by step.
Thank Zeus its finely happening, it's called evolution.
@@jerrylong6238you're trying to school people on evolution but you can't even spell "finally." Typical display of the education system at work.
Anything else you wanna school the adults on?
This is an excellent discussion. Fifteen years ago it wouldn’t be unusual for a panel to discuss topics logically. Today it is nearly impossible.
Right? Watching debates like this are such a relief - just to see grown ups having a grown up conversation reassures me I'm not left alone on an asylum planet.
Pamela Peski's intro, in how she describes "illiberalism," is the BEST definition of the "woke" paradigm I have ever heard. I have been trying to refine my own definition, which is very similar, but Pamela's explanation is absolutely clear, concise, complete, and even better, includes the definition of the opposite worldview. I will be spreading this definition as widely as possible!
Pamela Peski is an Zionist MSM mouthpiece.
I agree! Pamela Peski's intro 02:10 - 3:50 should be released as a "short" or reel everywhere. Thank you for your brilliantly clear illustration of liberalism vs illiberalism.
Sex is binary and immutable; no one can change sex.
Agreed, and if course we all knew that up until just a few years ago before the "fog" arrived, then something happened, a new ideology on the block, a new force, a new & powerful movement with an (enhanced) rainbow flag 🌈
.... Men actually became women and were to be fully accepted as women ... and it was NOT to be questioned or you would be declared a ~witch~ Bigot or a Transphobe!
Hopefully common sense is beginning to re-emerge as more public discussion & debate is had.
The UK Government (6th Dec/Kemi) is now leading the way on the long road back to sanity 🇬🇧
Woman = Adult Human Female
And even if medicine and modern tech made it possible to change sex, it would be highly unethical.
If sex is binary, how do intersex people exist?
@@GingerblazeDo no harm 1st and foremost
Gender is interchangeable with sex, also. There's no difference and you cannot change either.
The worst part about this is that we have SO MANY talented minds wasting energy on this. What other problems could we solve if we were not fixated on gender
Yep. Such a huge waste of time and energy.
I'm assuming you mean the folks involved in this conference not the morons who are fomenting the nonsense.
I’d say the worst thing about it is Rachel Levine
I think its done on purpose by the western world controllers. Divide and conquer, keep the masses occupied with pressing issues and keep them fighting each other, keep changing things and creating non- sense to keep people confused so they don't notice what else they are doing.Its a form of crazy making, gas lighting like with Covid. They change words, create crazy terminology, up is down, left is right, good is bad, etc.
That is part of the actual point of it. It has been put on us to have certain intentional effects on society it is not organic in origin.
It took me quite a while to realise, and put into words in my own head, that “Transology” is indeed just another religion in the sense that Scientology is so considered. Once you get over that fence you can hear the pieces clicking into place before you. My “key” was the realisation that the central doctrine is a purely metaphysical claim…in line with most other religions. Once you see that and the demand of believers that they Believe the doctrine in the absence of, in opposition to..any scientific, rational or personal internal questioning. Everything seems to follow from that. It is an extreme religion and it has captured some of the heights in ways that Scientology sought to do but ultimately failed.
I agree, and the responsibility on religious communities to both recognize and take responsibility for these things is huge. The irony that there is not a proveable God to save humanity, but that this belief in a God might very well be what helps to doom humanity because of the very effectiveness of its own storytelling and metaphysical claims is incredible. Christians fail to see the connections between verbal control mechanisms (blasphemy, cursing, prayer claims) and their own social Truth claims of becoming something by speaking it into existence. Born again seems to me affiliated to deadnaming (think even Saul into Paul and the importance of that name change) and while it seems like it should be a trolling campaign due to the similarities, I think it's more dire as being much more closely related.
Not to go too hard against only religion, but the internet and attention economy certainly seems very influential as well (thinking Avatar modification), but again, I would say that the distinctions between Cults vs Religions vs Activists are not so far apart.
@@JH-ji6cj Belief in God is what has helped humanity survive for as long as it has.
@elouise5593 you have absolutely no empirical evidence to beck up your extraordinary claims. You obviously have no understanding of the responsibility of _burden of proof_ and are complicit yet ignorant how your unfounded views feed into narratives like 'personal truths' that are on par with 'personal jeebus' narratives.
Pull your head out of your butt.
@@elouise5593 like the 2 world wars Jeebus kept the world out of? Do tell
Yes and it is the only religion that is enforced on us in the west so it is a religion and it is surreal that we are finding ourselves in a situation of religious compulsion in this century complete with media takeover and the burning of heretics.
In my more conspiratorial moments, I have the nagging suspicion that this is population control in the least murderous way possible.
How to square this movement with the recent overturning of Roe v Wade? That move seemed to me to be the elites response to declining numbers of 'white' babies (in contrast to rising numbers of migrants of color and an elevated birth rate among non-white populations) and an effort to enforce pregnancy on fertile young white women. I don't think the elites plan is very coherent, either.
Yup. It's no coincidence.
We really need to ramp up our requirement efforts then, as the population is still growing and we'll run out of new land to grow food before the 22nd century at current growth rate.
Attend "gender reveal" parties and give free chocolate loaded with hormone pills.
Blue balloons = bring estrogen laced chocolate 🍫
Pink balloons =testosterone laced gummy bears 🐻
Then tell the expecting mother to eat during the third trimester to ensure their child will be so athletically superior they have to ban them from sports, so intellectually superior the World Chess Federation has to ban them to be fair, and also they'll be so cool that they'll be such trend setters that people meeting them will assume they're just following the trend. 📈
No need to create a famine..
Thank you, I felt I was just me! I keep making this connection and then berating myself it simply cannot be this calculated. I since then settled with the idea it's not consciously induced of forced by global institutions, but happens as by-product and is welcomed as a bonus of the gender policies.
If everybody was scientifically literate, this just wouldn't be happening.....people's jaws would drop with incredulity as soon as anyone said 'transwomen are women' or 'sex is on a spectrum'. It's just too ridiculous for words.
27:18 *_"Autogynephilia (derived from Greek for 'love of oneself as a woman')_* is a term coined by Blanchard for "a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female", intending for the term to refer to "the full gamut of erotically arousing cross-gender behaviors and fantasies"."
And yet no such word has been coined for GirlBoss....
@@OrwellsHousecatactually there’s one : Auto Androphilia
@@Souxie123 oh, cool, thanks for that 😊
Are "girl bosses" autoandrophiles? The presentation appears to be almost over the top corporate femme, not masculine. Are they driven to be "bosses" for sexual reasons?
@@OrwellsHousecat and as one would expect the incidence rate for autogynephilia is much higher.
I feel the same as Christina. This issue (along with the 2020 riots, along with the coronavirus, etc etc) made me rethink everything I thought I believed
I wish the lady who spoke about Jazz had used his true pronouns: he/him as he has undergone cosmetic and endocrin interventions to appear female, which he is not.
Absolutely. She's colluding with the abuse by referring to him as if he were female
Who did? Buttons? I can’t watch the whole thing.
It has just hit me what a huge psychological operation the show I am jazz is. It is a multi-million dollar show much like The Truman show is the fiction movie. I don't see how Jazz keeps any form of sanity that he has left
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I don't follow that show regularly, but from what I know Jazz is showing signs of mental ill health.
Another member of the panel talked about how activists and journalists (but I repeat myself) use language to "create reality". Unfortunately, it is all too easy to fall into the traps they lay for the unsuspecting Mr / Ms average. The use of "she" for a boy, "because that's what nice people do", is just such a trap.
Thanks. As a old working class person here`s another reason to be against the upper class elites who try and run the show
How else are they going to pay for their second yacht
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Men are the Proletariat sl@ve worker producer maintainer class.
Wmn are the Bourgeoisie Sl@veowner privileged leisure consumer class.
Feminism Ruins Everything.
Highly educated people are not smarter people. They just think they are.
The last speaker still referred to Jazz Jennings as "she". That is reaffirming the incoherent belief structure.
The pushback is just starting., it will take time to completely take our language back, but I want it back. All of it.
Can't wait for the expression 'to pass' to be taken as it is, lying.
Exactly, when you use their language you've already surrendered.
Perhaps they don't want to get sued, if Jazz is still identifying as a "girl"? The WEF pushes this, and they have trillions of dollars to spend on lawyers.
In all fairness though, in regards to Jazz I struggle to know what to do. Jazz was pulled into this at such a young age, and being a “she” is all Jazz has ever known, through no fault of their own. The poor kid must be so confused and I wonder if we only add to the confusion by using “he” when Jazz has never really lived the life of a boy. Child abuse on the parents part 100%.
So far I have not seen even one person that has gone all the way from one sex to the other. We have a lot of people stuck in the middle, with no way back. Due to strictly medical interference. It will be necessary to help those people back into normal life, if they want it. And also preventing more casualties in the future. Until six months ago, I had no idea this was happening. Thank you for pushing through the noise. We are starting to hear you and pushing back. I was just too busy being open minded and kind. I’m awake now
Gender affirming care is a billion dollar industry. The amount of money medical professionals make and even therapist make by affirming this nonsense. They make so much money they just push these people into the system to get their body parts chopped off and affirming their mental disorder and that's why we're ending up with so many de transitioners. who were pushed to it by medical doctors and this movement and it's why they push all these falsehoods like gender and sex are two different things(although why would they need sex reassignment or to take cross sex hormones if it's not about biological sex) and inflating numbers with things like the number of intersex people and saying sex is not binary and on some kind of spectrum.
You cannot change sex. Every single cell of our body that has a nucleus has either an X X or an X Y chromosome in it and each cell behaves according to its complement of sex chromosomes independently of hormones. There's a host of biological and sex specific differences. Our sexual organization begins with our DNA and development in the womb, and that sex differences manifest themselves in many bodily systems and organs, all the way down to the molecular level. Our physical organization for one of two functions in reproduction shapes us organically, from the beginning of life, at every level of our being. The scientific definition of biological sex is, for almost all human beings, clear, binary, and stable, reflecting an underlying biological reality that is not contradicted by exceptions to sex-typical behavior, and cannot be altered by surgery or social conditioning. By contrast, the concept of gender is not well defined. It is generally taken to refer to behaviors and psychological attributes that tend to be typical of a given sex, stereotypes.
Most organisms form two different types of gametes. In these anisogamous species, the two sexes are referred to as male (producing sperm or microspores) and female (producing ova or megaspores) There are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it. We know there are only two sexes because there are only two possible sex cells (sperm or egg).Human males are those whose sexual anatomy is organized around the production (and delivery) of sperm. Human females are those whose sexual anatomy is organized around the production of eggs. That’s it. There are no other possible sex cells in existence. There is no person on earth who can produce a sex cell that isn’t either a sperm or an egg. Furthermore, no one can produce both. Though some may be incapable of producing one or the other (due to prematurity, advanced age, or a developmental anomaly), that doesn’t disqualify the norm that human beings are made to produce either one of two sex cells: sperm or egg.
humans can be born with different anatomical or chromosomal variations (XXY, XXXY, etc.) that affect their sexual anatomy and physiology, but these represent natural variations within the male and female sexes. in rare circumstances it might be difficult to know because their chromosomes or anatomy might make it unclear. That, however, does not mean the person might be both, neither, or some third sex. Difficulty in classifying someone as male or female does not render our biological knowledge of the sexual binary suddenly invalid. Like the example of some people are born with three copies (instead of two) of chromosome 21 (trisomy 21, AKA Down syndrome). That doesn’t negate the fact that humans should only have two copies of chromosome 21.
All of us were created by the union of two sex cells: a sperm and an egg. There’s no other possible cell that can be involved in the production of a new human being. There are only two sexes because there are only two types of sex cells. Human bodies are made for two-sex intercourse. Everything we know about the male and female sex organs tells us that these two body systems are complementary. They not only fit together, but they function together.. These parts function together. The male and female reproductive organs are part of the only body system that requires a separate body of the opposite sex to fulfill its ultimate function. Sperm and egg, left within the testicles or ovaries, will never meet their full potential until they’re brought together in male-female sexual intercourse. This process requires exactly two (not one, three, or any other combination) different human sexes to complete.
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Well, - and I agree with what you have said - there's a very good reason why you haven't seen even one person go all the way from one sex to another, which is because we are mammals, a sexually dimorphic species in which sex is binary and cannot be changed. The best any endocrinologist or surgeon can do is alter the body cosmetically.
That’s what I’m talking about. And “so called adults” professionals, college educated, scientists, are telling children they can. Children take things literally. I can’t understand what possible reason anyone one would have to even contemplate such heinous thoughts. I understand why pharmaceutical companies would like it. How low does a human being be to have to be to push this kind of lie on children. Our children. It’s a crime against humanity. As far as I know these medical experiments have not even been tested on lab rats. And I haven’t even started to rant.@@carltaylor6452
This was all new to me in February or March of this year. I have read and read and read and watched hundreds of hours of interviews. Because of my regard for a dear friend who is very postmodernist, in good faith I tried to find evidence based information supporting transgenderism. At first I was very confused and now I am not. I’m reality based, in material reality. Like at least one of the speakers on the panel, I am politically homeless. I support homosexual people and fear for Aspie girls (like I was). I support single sex spaces where they are needed for privacy, modesty, dignity, and safety.
Know I have literally been sick to my stomach.@@pamelaroyce5285
TH-cam is cutting in with adverts constantly. It's so annoying.
I use TH-cam so much it's beyond worth it to pay the 13.99 monthly fee.
I use TH-cam loads, but its politics and behaviour with demonetisation and throttling of one political side means I'll never give them my money
Use UBlock Origin Chrome extension on your desktop PC. Works great. No ads
There are apps that block ads.
@@nunyabizness3777And they cost -13.99 to @mikekays4108
Wow. I read Tomboy and felt that Lisa Selin Davis was THIS CLOSE to peaking… great to hear from her here! Loved the book, excellent history of the varied acceptance and suppression of “masculine” traits in girls throughout the past couple hundred years. It’s gone back and forth more than you might think!
Liberalism vs Illiberalism was the key in this discussion.
Most of these people are half caught up in the trans way of thinking themselves. Listening to them is like watching people trying to emerge from a dream they know they are in but can't quite wake up from. Especially that guy in the middle.
These are sincere and conscientious journalists who actually think. Some act as if being sincere and conscientious is merely to react emotionally.
As a trained journalist we were always taught to prioritise unbiased reporting over everything else but we were also taught that some things were going to get more clicks than others. Unfortunately unbiased reporting is not one of those things. I did some work in a small blog where i primarily covered political issues and the moment I left the same issues were being covered by people not trained in journalism who were extreme leftists - guess which ones were clicked on more 😂
Look at Rip Curl and what woke has done to them.
Dang I never wanted this to end!!!
Interesting observation of the confusion of reality and metaphor. That's a solid takeaway for me.
T 16:00. Yes, the journalistic rules are encoded in media style guides, but they are opaque to the public, many of whom consider themselves very well informed because they read the news every day…
And they are non-binding, needless to say.
Amazing work, thank you! I might not agree politically with all the panelists, but am grateful for the conversation. ❤
Christina's opening comments really resonate with me, exactly explaining how I feel.
I do wish people could resist raising the Israel-Palestine conflict in a talk where it is totally irrelevant.
The left did that to itself. The identity politics has infected everything so badly, that if I know your views on trans, 98% of hot other opinions will not need asking about. There are probably zero right wing non binary people.Greta and her crew are all anti isreal. Big shocker. Every issue is dictated once you're a member of these tribes. And the bloody left think they're the only virtuous people in the room. So you're going to get this stuff overlapping. Gaza is what's on people's minds and everyone's an activist.
Yes, all the anti woke people feel the need to inject dogs about it into everything.
Transtifa is very prominent in support of ideology, people, and regimes that treat homosexuality as a severe crime or capital crime.
@@gg_rider
That’s a stretch and you know it
Journalist Bernard Lane has been doing a great job reporting on this…
My own learning has let me to abandon the tv anchor who makes millions and is beloved by liberals, because she *knows* some of what is going on in the lesbian community, but won't use her platform to out all this. She could single-handedly end this with her power and viewership. I pray for the bubble to burst and for us to openly talk about the enormous variations of humans and how they wish to self-express and how we can best serve people without a black and white binary (ironically) view that there is no binary.
You mean you think Rachel Maddow could end all this? Like in one fell swoop? But I guess because she's just too liberal enough that she wouldn't dare, huh? She's more liberal than she is lesbian. I guess one of them pays the bills, one of them doesn't....
Rachel Maddow!
I’ve emailed Michael Moore as well, a people’s champion, and no sign he is aware, which is strange.
You can express yourself anyway you want, but there only two sexes. Binary. Sex is different than personality. There is still no such thing as a little bit pregnant. Opinions on the other hand are non binary.
she's not going to lump herself in with cruel right wingers. this is not the right time for dems/liberals to rail on this subject. we have a bigger fish to fry and if he isn't fried, trans stuff isn't going to matter anymore. we'll all be sinking.
Ha ha are you talking about a certain R_____ M______. If you believe that person is still doing genuine journalism rather than propaganda, you haven't fully peaked.
At 34:30 the journalist-liberalism panelist talks about a "moral inversion". I'm concerned we don't assume people have a moral framework strong enough to invert. What we are witnessing is a moral debasement, Uri Bezmenov's demoralisation stage.
Morality and critical thinking are desperatly lacking in everybody's upbringing.
I found these subjects fascinating and have alway's thirsted for debate and review of our public morality.
We need to educate people about autogyophillia .
I wish that the psychologist in the glasses hadn’t spoken about reporting issues regarding Israel and Hamas. There are plenty that could say very similar things about it from the other side with strong evidence .Please do not drag into this debate. It will blow up.
I agree. They're completely separate issues and shouldn't be conflated. There are gender critical people (and pro-trans people) on both sides of the Israel / Palestine conflict.
Are there? How many non binary conservatives do you know? Do left wingers support Hamas? If you're into climate ideology, you likely support Hamas, trans, BLM, ....identity politics is real.
I completely agree. As a Jew, I object to my support of peace and human rights in Gaza being conflated with support of the murderous members of Hamas.
Ditto for talk of red pilling.
We risk alienating people from this extremely important discussion by straying from the point at hand.
People
@@nattie_ceee5989 while it's true that these issues can/should be separated (despite the connection via "TransTiFa" as some call that intersection), I'm aware of critics including a few Muslims and ex-Muslims, who point out that a small minority of people in Gaza and West Bank care about or desire Peace or Human Rights as Lib-Left says that.
The reasons for that viewpoint of rejection of peace seem to go back to one of the "founding fathers" of the modern Marxist concept of "a Palestinian people", Amin Al-Husseini.
Al-Husseini and folks called themselves Arabs or Syrians or Egyptians, not Palestinians. One testified to the British that "Palestinian" was a propaganda term created by Jews.
Al-Husseini's life-path led him to voicing outrageously blatant calls for mass annihilation, and an appointment by his buddy Adolf H to chief Intelligence Officer for the Palestine region or entire Near East, with plans on Final Solution 2.0 at a proposed death camp in Samaria.
Then, much of that can be traced back to Mohammed, both the Quran and books on the Hadiths. This including the infamous Gharqad Tree verse Sura 2922, that was ordered preached in WB mosques by Abbas, after 10/07.
I used to be a Leftist for Palestine with the naive viewpoint that the group or person with less power (and less privilege?) was inherently good, and inherently Oppressed, opposed by groups accused of having more power and privilege, who are inherently evil.
Then top that off with the recognition that followers of the religion that says Salvation and Heaven can not be obtained without helping annihilate J people, AND THAT _IS_ THE HEIGHT OF MORAL GOODNESS, obedience to commands of Allah via Mohammed (p.b.u.h.).
Given these factors, none 100% universal, exceptions exist, where does this path lay towards achieving peace and human rights in Gaza and WB among The Masses or grassroots there who believe the same as Hamas believes, joins Hamas, volunteers to support Hamas in various ways?
I mean, in contrast, only a small minority of MAGA people want Final Solution 2.0. The vast majority want Israel & Jews to exist and thrive .
@@zeldagoblinYou're everything wrong with political discourse. Believe it or not some people are actually individuals and can think for themselves without having to assign themselves to one single predetermined political 'box'.
I so appreciate Ms Peski's delineation of the differences between the radical trans movement and the other parts of society. I feel freed by the truth of her analysis. I can't thank you enough. This movement and it's transparent attempts to bully, shame and coerce the rest of us (and it's relative success!) has had me in a tailspin for some time. This knowledge is immensely helpful.
some very interesting points, thanks for sharing
The day they pronounced the words "hey kids", was the beginning of the end for the whole ideology. NOBODY fights harder than parents fighting for their kids.
So great to see Benjamin Boyce develop. I started watching him the year the Evergreen State College blew up in the DEI mess. Benjamin's influence has grown so much, good to see him here.
Thank you for speaking out!!! I have no personal connection to the issue, but just as a human observing I am disgusted how this ideology has been allowed to destroy the health and lives of young people, as well as their families.
"i was a good liberal, i did what i was told, i never quesitoned the MSM."
and we really think people like this should have a say in the direction of politics... might as well be a number in a poll.
Good panel with interesting perspectives. Some of the comments here are bizarre, though. People seem easily offended.
I don’t really understand the connection between being pro trans and pro Palestine. Yes it is disgusting for anyone to justify the rapes and murders committed by Hamas. We can also acknowledge that Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed.
Perhaps due to the high prevalence of trans surgeries performed on people in response to a particular religions views on homosexuality
According to who?
Seems to me that both sides would like to ethnically cleanse the other, Palestine is just doing a worse job right now.
Trans/queer/leftist ideologues side with Palestine because they automatically see the losing side as oppressed and the victim of colonialist occupation. And they believe that those without power are morally superior.
@@hengineerAnyone who's bothered to look into this?
She was just making the point of how a lot of these people are willing to ignore and dismiss atrocities when it doesn't fit with their narrative. They will call someone a Nazi for very little, but will attack someone who supports the existence of Israel and chase down Jewish students. They will cry about 'misgendering ' but treat serious surgery such as mastectomy with just a shrug.
They corrupt language by calling Hamas 'freedom fighters' and the harm being done to children as 'gender affirming care.' That's the connection she was making.
Thank you
Excellent panel Thankyou, has furthered my understanding. The warp that media producers have walked into is mind blowing, pure cult guff, and for what? To find a superior intelligencia? Hell’s hubris
Benjamin Boyce is a legend.
Nah, just a good interviewer.
Thank you for this.
I wish the 4th speaker had left her politics out of it.
I thought she was going to say it is immoral to kill children in their hospital beds.
Came here because of the Boyce of reason in the thumbnail
Beautiful.
The way this lady tried to prove her point by unecessarily bringing israel into gender conversation. She seems like a propagandist herself.
Why it got so abruptly cut in the end..? Not nice
I had a really hard time following lisa sand davis. I truely had no idea her point and the only information i was able to get was the important one that media “style guides” are not guides for things like length of sentences or where to use sub clauses but actually what the truth is and what truth you will get past the editors. That was a stunning revelation in the now obviousness of limiting free thinking and open exchange of ideas. We are on a very sick path at the moment and i pray that something will turn it around. Any one want to help me create a company like mathnasium except focused on critical thinking and civics
Great panel, but the Gaza issue is slightly different in my view. The conflation of "anti-Zionism" and "anti-Semitism" and the difference between "protesting injustice" and "supporting terrorism" is a debate in its own right with a lot of zero-sum thinking. However, that debate has a lot more objective evidence to deal with than the trans debate that is mostly based on "feelings".
Ben Appel had it best when he called for more nuanced understanding of the issue. You can support the idea that some people may have their brain wired to think that they are the opposite sex, but that doesn't mean that we should support automatic affirmation by anyone who thinks this way.
Me, white guy, was married to a black woman. We where together for 18 years, she divorced me soon after reading White Fragility.. My ex boss, a man I worked with on and off for 20 years, her personally hired me at 2 companies he help start, a POC from Siri Lanka, became woke, and after he found out about my divorced, he fired me when it was convenient for the project. My family has trouble believing it, and they suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. Long story short.
I am sorry for the personal impact you suffered from woke. All the best
That is very tragic, even if you feel alone in this there are others who have been sabotaged and attacked as well, me included. I feel for you man.
Why does this only seem to occur in countries where you can drink the tap water?
i know you get excited when you say things like this but lets use logic and not our feelings of excitement to think about this.
@@MRsnuggles-u9i Not excitement. No feelings AT ALL. Just getting bored waiting for midwits to show proof that I am wrong. BTW I'm from a country where you CANT drink the water.
@@moodrahkamite818 it is not humanly possible to have no feelings at all. people who think they dont have feelings about things are usually the most emotionally repressed. you play a dangerous game pretending you arent feeling anything about what youre saying.
@@MRsnuggles-u9i okay I'll be a good bigger for you from now on
@@moodrahkamite818 not sure what a bigger is but acknowledging how you feel is for you, not for me
It’s such a left/right issue in America. Maybe that’s causing the impasse.
I don't know if journalists have ever been objective. 30 years ago I became an expert on a couple of contentious subjects and if a media outlet lied to me about those topics, then I knew they were lying to me about everything. Every news outlet picked sides on the topics I knew well and lied about them. News Media have been activists as far back as I can remember, the only difference is that this panel has found the subject they've become experts on and can see it for themselves.
A thought... The only way to truly change sex¿ Reincarnation.
Controlled opposition
27:07 Ben talks about the changing definitions even during the same conversation. My wife calls this windmills and muddles and it makes it impossible to continue a rational conversation.
Great panel. However, the young lady constantly on her phone was so visually distracting that it interfered with my focus on the speakers' words. I had to cover the part of my phone screen that showed her.
Such rude behavior and display of a lack of social awareness. Similar to someone going on a date and being on their phone all the time.
Further evidence of how phones are warping people, esp. the young people...
Can't make eye contact, compulsively reaching for the phone every 5 seconds, rudely disengaged and unself-aware. No recognition of appropriate formality...thinking it's okay to be presenting on a panel while acting like you're hanging out at home on your couch.
Jazz Jennings is male he not she
The soul has no gender.
I tapped out after the Israel/Hamas point.
Is this young woman reading from a script on her phone?
Seems to me she is and possibly because she’s nervous.
I would imagine she wrote it, so why not?
She was constantly on her phone, so disrespectful to the audience and especially to the panel
Very unfortunate that Pamela Paresky took this opportunity to expose her extremely irrelevant pro-Israel views. She's completely OFF TOPIC, it is very disrespectful to the other panelists and it does a disservice to the trans debate, which should NOT be mixed with extremely polarized geopolitical issues. I binge-watched several excellent talks on this channel, from beginning to end, but after her second attempt to pretend the media is biased against Israel (seriously?!?), I just skipped to the next talk.
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Just found this channel and I'm grateful that there's a serious and sincere conversation about the gender ideology but I hope that you would avoid using this subject to platform other ideas or propaganda like Pamela Pesky did twice with misguided information or perhaps propaganda about the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.
Unfortunately, we have created, trained and accepted generations of credentialed "experts," who never challenge what they learned in the institutions that granted those credentials. Be they doctors, professors, journalists, and others. And we have been conditioned to trust their knowledge or information. However, we have plenty of evidence that experts lack of curiosity and rigidity causes abundant harm.
I agree with all comments about gender issues, but to veer into the Palestine/Israel issue warranted both sides of that incredibly complex story and comment about the IDF’s genocidal war strategy. Which of course doesn’t excuse Hamas crimes. E we need open debate about all the nuances in the many complex issues humanity facing.
This was a huge disappointment with time.
Illiberalism. Power vs individualism. 2:37
stopped. Not interesting enough to justify the number of ads.
On the health care issue mentioned near the end… early on I found myself thinking there was something wrong about the narrative that trans people weren’t getting healthcare because of bigotry of doctors. I didn’t think that sounded right in today’s liberal society. Now I realize it wasn’t that but rather the chief complaint was that not enough healthcare orgs, docs and insurance were not going along with what people wanted-“Give me blockers, give me hormones, give me affirming surgeries and cover all of it. Let me decide the care I should get not the doctors, counselors etc.”
Flash forward and now they DO get those services and are given deference more than any other “marginalized group.”But it impacts all of us as taxpayers and rate payers. We are paying for healthy young people on Medicaid to have body parts removed and then to fix all the ensuing medical problems that arise afterwards. Same goes with insurance rates-we are seeing huge rate increases to pay for all these unnecessary medical interventions because of a social media, internet contagion aided by media and politicians on the left.
I am politically homeless these days because of all this postmodern garbage. It has unfortunately taken over all of our institutions. It’s a very disheartening time.
I hear ya. But I think soon we will be forced to pick a side. Will we have the gonads to pick the one we know is true, or the other side?
That is ridiculous to cal that liberal. Just because a portion of people have commandeered and call themselves certain words, such as “progressive” or “liberal” doesn’t make them so. Liberal is not the “inversion” of believing in truth etc. lol. But I do agree that there are a lot of really annoying self-proclaimed ‘liberals’ out there but if you look up the etymology and traditional meaning of “liberal” and “progressive” you’ll see that many or most of the people who call themselves that aren’t actually that
Why would “left media” tell anyone anything about scientific research and medicine? I can read research papers, WHO and American Medical Association positions myself. Can you? 🤭
So go read how biophysics and gene expression works. It affirms every point transpeople are making.
@@osakanone Which is exactly what I'm saying 🤷. I look to science and not "left media" for information.
Think you absolutely missed the point.
My first foray into the post October-7th attack debate was on a discord server that happened to be filled with self-described socialist and communist people, many of whom identify as trans. I was overwhelmed to find that they all seemed to support Palestine.
Talking with them, I got the impression that they side with Palestine because they automatically see the losing side as oppressed and the victim of colonialist occupation. And they believe that those without power are morally superior.
I was told on that server that I cant "both sides bad" a genocide, but they seem to be doing something very similar in saying that Palestine killed 1,300 people, and Israel has killed 30,000, therefore "Palestine good, Israel bad".
It's the oppressor opressee matrix. If you're in power, you're an oppressor. I wonder if these same people will fight for us normies when they have all the power or if they'll call their revolution quits. I think we can guess the answer to that
Or …. Or …
Or maybe even the Post-Modernists get things right, once in a while ? 🤷♂️
What is occurring in Israel is SIEGE WARFARE on a ,mostly , unarmed population.
Personally , I think BOTH SIDES are ideologically captured ; humans are irrational 🤷♂️
Pritzker.
These series feature ex Wokies but they haven’t let go of all the ideals yet…😒
I'm 63 and technically a transgender I'm a gay or lesbian you can we've lived through all this The moral of the story is this is not a left Democrat thing or a right fox thing or magazine This is a human condition it's being exploited on both ends which is causing the confusion This is it been exploited for 15 years in the political through the political lens and religious extremism that is what is bad in hurting the children but I agree we have a distorted hate for LGBT children and it pushes people into surgery and it's wrong but don't make it a left or a right thing That's where you lose me just a little advice from Grandma. ❤👍🙏 And I don't have an agenda.
I wish the young journalist would get off of her phone! I am loving these panelists but she is a panelist, she should be aware that she is presenting herself as checked out, distracted and disrespectful of the other speakers.
omg, I couldn't believe it. I think I would have been moved to phone destroying violence if I were speaking right next to her while she was texting.
Generation gap?
Her name is Christina Buttons, she’s not a real journalist and has no business representing herself as one. He was drawing art in her bedroom during Covid and suddenly got a job online writing for Post Millennial then moved to Daily Wire and then moved to her boyfriend’s publication all in the space of a year.
@@sharifsalem What is your opinion on the contents of what she said in this panel?
I saw that too, but did you notice how nervous she was? She had notes on her phone, and was probably reading ahead to stay focused.
It so nice of you to host this woman who gets off on targeting children from private support groups to harass. She is just such a victim, she needs the support. It's really hard for her when people tell the truth about her grift, terrorizing children.
I had the non affirmative model. All i can say is curing me was torture and it made my life so much worse.
Society hates gender non conforming males. Its safer to trans. If i wanted to use my real personality.
I got tired of the false personality i used to conform.
Women have been murdered for being women. Being a woman is hard too, but we don't get to choose.
Women have been jailed for wearing pants. Change is not easy, but it's not an excuse to throw others under the bus, especially women who had to fight so hard for the little they got and that's taken away by lazy trans.
OK. I thought this might be an interesting discussion. Quite open on this topic. Last panalist just talked about “Trump derangement syndrome.” The thing about this subject is just when you think there’s a nuanced conversation to be had - it goes MAGA. Thanks to her I’m tuning out.
Did you watch Genspects playlist of the Bigger Picture Conference - Killarney, Ireland (last april)? Little to none irrelevant political references in that conference, but lots of relevant content.
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You don't think people are DERANGED about Trump? I had known for a while of his long ties to the NYC rap scene and Black philanthropy, but just 2 days ago a Black man pointed out that the ONLY major donor funding for the Presidential campaign of Jesse Jackson was Donald Trump.
The "derangement" is IGNORING everything about that, including photos and video and past praise by famous Black people to say he's a racist and Nazi.
Ditto, Trump's ambassador pushing other backwards nations to stop making homosexuality a serious crime.
At least one of the journalists was still sitting on the fence. Not a great panel
"Defund the police"
Was a response to the militarization of local police depts getting leftover hardware that was really out of proportion to what their mission is - "de-militarize the police" doesn't make nearly as nice a bumper sticker.
Unfortunately, words mean something and if the intention doesn't match the words, then the 'real' message is lost.
@bcazz5202
Words mean lots of things, sometimes you can't depend on them to do your work for you.
What about "abolish the police"? That's now a common slogan on the left and there's no good way to read that.
@pamelaglickman1216
I had to look that up, I'd never heard of it. But it has a very long history, dating to 1905...and for the same reasons - abuse of police power.
@@atticstattic How long it's been around for and why it originated are besides the point. Do you think it's a good idea?
We can learn a lot from King Solomon you know Don't cut the baby in half The true mother needs to love the baby but don't be out here talking and degrading LGBT children just because you had a bad experience you don't know what somebody else's experience is going to be by 65 years of their age.
The second speaker is wrong about the correlation between how people approach the Israel/Palestine issue and how they approach gender. Her very factual premise about what’s happening in Israel/Palestine is wrong, not to mention the way that she frames the narrative. Rape is ALWAYS wrong and there is NEVER an excuse for it. The same true about killing innocent civilians/children. But her idea that those things factually happened by Hamas on Oct 7th on Israelis has been debunked. The IDF killed the majority of Israeli civilians that day out of an attempt to keep them from becoming bargaining chips by Hamas and by trying to kill as many Hamas militants as possible without care for collateral damage. And there is no evidence that anyone was raped. The recent NYT article has been wholly debunked.
...get help.
@@evesappleif you disagree, try offering an argument rather than just being rude
Source please?
@@evesapple Learn how to do research. Educate yourself.
BB is a creep guy.
What makes you believe that?
Why?
GET A JOB AND USE YOUR BRAIN
I thought it was a great discussion! I almost did not watch it when I saw creepy Ben's face on the video screenshot! Genspect please find some who doesn't make half the world cringe as your official interviewer!
Benjamin has given the world long form interviews of more gay and trans and shunned ex-trans individuals than any other centrist video creator. Am I mistaken? What's cringe about that?
I've heard some say they were terrified to be interviewed until they watched Benjamin, then felt comfortable enough to go live with him and tell their story.
What the hell?
There are no left media.
They are all on the right of politics. Always have been. Just pretending in order to comply with the agenda.
In case anyone doesn't know, it's all driven by climate change.
Hilary Clinton said that mass immigration is due to climate change.
The 1st world is the modern
Noah's Ark.
'The west is the best.
Get here and we'll do the rest.
Jim Morrison. Rip.
What?😂😂😂😂😂 Are you in a different universe?
@@iwo612
I'm on Planet Earth. It travels an orbit around the sun.
Did you know? In winter we are at our closest to the sun?
Doesn't sound feasible, does it.
But it's true.
Also, we have climate change
which is forcing poor countries to empty their prisons and exporting the contents to our shores.
Donald Trump, in conversation with Elon Musk, told him crime has plummeted around the world.
Venezuela's crime rate has reduced by 72%.
They exported them to Uncle Sam.
The elite rulers are behind all this. And Freemasonry.
Poor countries are suffering the most due to climate change. Their countries are hotter climes. One third of their crops are failing as a consequence. Hence the need to export their people.
The people in promenant positions are playing at lefty politics to help the poorest countries reduce their numbers so they can feed the rest.
First world countries have to soak up the problem because we are wealthy. Also, our top soil is deeper and in cooler climes.
You see?? I'm not crazy after all.!!!!
I'll provide you with a link so you can know all about climate change, its effect and what's being done to tackle it.
geoengineeringwatch.org
While there, please watch the docu film 'The Dimming'.
Clear proof of geoengineering going on in our skies.
Commenting about Israel and Palastine is inappropriate and concerning. I did not tune in to hear simplistic pro-zionist propaganda. I will continue to listen and hope these opinions are stifled.
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Inappropriate to you. You're not required to watch.
@teks128project Imagine having YOUR opinion stifled.... Wow. You must believe you're on the right side of history. Historically, you're in with some interesting company.
I agree politics out side of those related to gender should be avoided. I dont want to know what they think about trump or hamas in this forum. Or even what they think about media other than how it relates to gender. It makes me question the motives and message of the speaker when they bring in irrelevant politics.
Tell us what she said that's problematic. Quote it verbatim and put a timestamp.
That is an awful headline.
Don’t turn back. Get it right. Trans people are worth loving.
They have to learn to love themselves as well. Society can't do everything for them
They are entitled to their existence, as are women. Stop taking everything away from women so men can get all of their tantrums answered. Stop prioritising trans over women.
Not putting trans needs over everyone's else is not hate.
This is a regrading of "feminists hate men" just because women are tired of being oppressed.
Not getting everything you want is not hate and it's not oppression.
@@daviru02 They already do love themselves, and even when they say that you still twist that into an argument of narcissism. You're not arguing from a logical place beyond "trans icky" and inventing justifications for it that make you personally feel better.
@osakanone they do? Lol. If they loved themselves for who they were, they wouldn't be saying something they're not. It's nothing but larping in public.
Defending attacks on gaza was stupid and not good thinking. Hamas is terrorist organisaation AND 13 800 children have been killed in Gaza.
I'm really sad if this is considered balanced in the US.
Hamas is hiding among civilians. What do you want Israel to do? See how you react if you were in danger of being brutally raped, mutilated, burned alive and massacred in your own home, or kidnapped and kept in underground tunnels without proper medical treatment for 8 months now. You don't care that Israeli civilians live in this fear now, or that there are hundreds of people that still can't go back to their homes since October 7. All you care is the Palestinians who supports the attacks of October 7. Seriously I'd like to see how you would act if that was you who lived with this fear.
@@saoirse2963 hun, so you think that all irish people should have been bombed because IRA was hiding among civilians? Or you just see this differently because of what excatly?
The war and destruction of innocent children on Gaza cannot be justified. Not letting humanitarian aid through cannot be justified. People on Gaza have at the moment less than a liter of water per person per day. Little kids are dying of thirst and hunger. In the end this is only making the world more dangerous for israeli civilians. Isreal cannot kill all 2,3 million people living on Gaza. But they can and are creating more and more future terrorists.
They are not pro hamas they are pro palestinian. You seem like a smart woman you should know better
You don't know anything about the Palestinians. It's an extremely radicalised population, they learn to hate - hate as in annihilate - Jewish Israelis from infancy. They learn it at schools and at homes. During the brutal massacre of October 7 some terrorists call to their families and bragged of murdering Jews in their beds and the families congratulate them. The Palestinians brought children after the slaughter to rob the houses of the Jewish people they just massacred. There is a video showing Palestinian boys mocking a Jewish child who calls for his mother after his father was just murdered in front of his eyes. The Palestinians voted for Hamas, and they still support it after October 7 even now. They are pretty much all radicalised, whoever isn't was either run away to Israel or other countries, or was murdered by Hamas people. And Hamas built their whole headquarters, hiding places, ammunition, etc., in Palestinians civilians places, so how do you want Israel would fight them? It's not an army against army, these are terrorists hiding among civilians who support them. UNRWA, whom most employees are Palestinians, are totally in it too and ammunition were found in UNRWA establishments. You are all talking without knowing the situation. I'd like to see how you would deal with all this. I guess you will just be okay with being in real actual danger of having October 7 happening to you as long as you don't hurt anyone? Give me a break. Israel does what it could to not harm civilians, but this is impossible. By the way, the Palestinians are not the natives of the land, just so you know.
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Here we are talking about the trans madness and that lady had to bring up how hamas is a terrorist organization right? Judging by her necklace, I wish she wasnt such a stereotype... keep it on topic, otherwise you will alianate people who would otherwise be on your side.
Because they are lying to you about Israel and the Palestinians the same way they are lying to you about trans and "gender identity".
I tried to listen through the entire discussion, but I could not. What seemed interesting and perhaps purposeful at first devolved into the same basic and tired bit of trans bashing. I found myself wishing the speakers stated their true intent for their stances on the topic but it was never said aloud. I guess it really did not need to be stated anyway. As a transwoman who truly tries to understand and extend her emphatic will towards anyone who makes sense from a logical and secular basis, I could not do that here.
I did not hear any "trans bashing". Just acknowledgement that manipulating children into doing this, is becoming a big money making industry and they are rushing children into this, which is devastating to their longterm health, in many ways. Adukts should be free to do to their own bodies what they want, but they are manipulating children, at increasingly, alarmingly, ever-higher rates. Which ruins many young lives, full of regrets and devastation.
Over a thousand families in the UK are suing the Tavistock clinic for “life altering physical and psychological damage” Turns out chemically castrating and surgically removing organs isn’t health care! Media - not a word. Two huge studies strongly indicate that the affirmative model solves nothing. The trans movement is hovering up mostly gay children and the mentally vulnerable; telling them it’s because they are in the wrong body, then filling them with harmful drugs and operating on them. Appalling ignorance
Trans bashing? When?
I'm Ben Appel's worst nemesis. I'm a gay male who uses gender medicine. (estrogen, blockers, and later castration) It's about the body you want to live in not about what activities you want to.
Self castration does not make you a woman, just a castrated male. Get real.