I've done hundreds of of these clutches on focus and fiesta. I worked at a dealership in the detroit metro area. I was told by an engineer to drive the car like a rental car after the initial clutch adaptive learn. These cars are continuously learning. Alot of times the TCM does fail and make you think the clutch has failed. Most of the TSB's start with reprogramming the TCM and do an adaptive learn. Good Luck buddy.
I had a 2013 Focus Titanium that I purchased new. From what I remember, starting the car rolling and the 1-2 shift was never any good. However, in the upper gears, the DCT worked well. The car needs to have the hell driven out of it for the DCT to learn how to shift smoothly. I’d go thru the process each time the DCT software was updated. However, If you baby the car afterward, it will learn bad habits and shift like crap again. You will then have to take it out to the backroads and drive the hell out of it again. The DCT is an awful transmission. Don’t set your expectations too high.
@scottmcmordie Wow hundreds so far nice, I bet you can knock 2 of these jobs out in a single day no problem! I did around 100 of these jobs during my 7 months working with the transmission guy at a Ford dealer. He told me basically the same thing; to drive the hell out of the car during the road test haha
Ford Tech here, and ford focus owner. Most people are not used to the way that the focus/fiesta DCTs shift. They’re funky. Yes you do have to drive them hard. If your “easy” on them they’ll shutter and not shift right. When we do this job we drive around town moderate throttle lots of cycles and then find a strait road to give it the “beans” about 6 times through all gears. And then back to moderate on the way back to the shop.
Hey JR. my daughter had the same car and was complaining about a rough shift on her car. I ran check of the ground wires for the two shift motors and found they had a high resistance to ground. Pulled the ground wires off the painted body cleaned the paint off the ground points and cleaned up the wire terminals. Put it back together and she never had another shift problem. Hope this might help someone out there fighting this bad trans problem.
😂😂 certified. He has no clue what he's doing. He's a code reader/ parts cannon. Use an oscilloscope to figure out what's going on. This symptom isn't hard to diagnose.
LMAO I just want to know what an oscilloscope is gonna do with a motor that runs a jackshaft in and out… this isn’t rocket surgery, it’s basic as hell. I did the job right (FORD DIAGNOSED IT AS A BAD CLUTCH AND TOLD ME TO F OFF) so I did the exact job they said I needed. No one could’ve done this better, it’s probably a TCM like everyone else said.
It’s been a few years since I got rid of my 2012 Focus, but the dealership replaced the clutch shortly before I got rid of it. It was shifting weird even still, so I took it back and they reset the adaptive learning on it and told me to drive it hard while it was re-learning my driving habits. It improved after that. My opinion while watching this was that it sounds like normal behavior, because you had just reset the trans and it needed to relearn your driving habits. It was such a colossal screw up by Ford not to recall this. It was a fantastic small car in almost every other respect, and had they chosen to fix it they could have saved their reputation and made a lot more money.
I bought my daughter's 2014 with 90,000 and it was having the dreaded shutter at takeoff. I took out both actuators and blew some air down the holes to get some of the dust out. Put 2 new actuators and changed the fluid and the car has run flawlessly since. These cars have so many things that can cause transmission issues, Ford should've bought these cars back and save grace.
i did this too but after a week it died on me again so i ultimately just gave up and towed it away ... after reading these comments i really should have kept it for longer and tried a little more !!! ahhh
I keep a strong rare earth magnet for when you drop a bolt in the bell housing. With an aluminum bellhousing you can use the magnet on the outside of the transmission, and it will grab the nut then you slide it up to the access hole. A lot easier than pulling the trans again, or trying to fish it out with a borescope and grabber. Obviously if the bellhousing is furious metal that trick doesn't work (sometimes it will depends on how thick it is)
I've owned the same vehicle and the TCM was replaced 5 times in my ownership for me by Ford until my warranty was up then I traded in the vehicle.... Horrible that they never recalled....
Ive seen at the dealership these fords will come in to Hyundai Ill be valuing them as trade in. So many times, focus and fiestas would come in, and customers will say, and show paper work that the same thing was replaced, over nad over and over again, usually 3 to 6 times, for it to fail again and again, frustrating the customers so much, that on its own it literally killed Fords Passanger vehicle market in Australia, due to that people aint buying anything else but Rangers, Mustangs ETC from ford. Yes they havent recalled it. Which I see it as if we recall it, we will be replacing so many more parts and boxes, we will just replace and flash the cars that come it with the issue, regardless of how many times they come back. Because if your not recalling, besides the reputation, legally, you better be fixing it. Ive never heard of a situation like this, were the company uses same methods, same parts with same part numbers, and expecting it to magically go away.
I changed one recently and I'm sure there were more clicks per clutch when doing the manual release. I suggest redoing that step. Also, the programming is very important. Mine ran rough like that till I had a successful clutch reprogramming. Good luck!
I looked at a focus at a dealership in Wichita for my daughter. The transmission was doing the same thing that you felt. The dealership offered my $500 off and a month warranty on the transmission. I told them to shove it. 3 months later they still contact my every week to come buy it.
Watching the video. I think the first click was the socket wrench hitting the ground and not the actually clutch click. The second one you worked on was an actual click.
Hate to say it, but I've got to admit that that was my initial impression as well when I first saw the video. After rewatching just that segment, I'm less sure, but still thing the socket wrench hitting the ground COULD have been the sound heard. Worth checking....
When you were setting the clutch, the first click wasn’t as loud as the second one could’ve been the pre-click that you heard on the second one that you thought was the click on the first one
It's either a bad TCM or actuator. You can take the upper and lower actuators and swap locations, see if the code switches to a P090C. If so, replace both actuators. If it stays as a P0902, it needs a TCM.
I did swap the actuators, still P0902 so it must not be an actuator... gotta be a TCM. I did this whole job because the Ford dealer guaranteed it was a clutch failure 😡 I'm going to pull A again in a minute and try 13 turns instead of just 12 to release the clips, but it has to be unlocked, pretty sure the car couldn't drive if the actuators couldn't move the physical clutch.
@@WatchJRGo Yeah it's unlocked. It'll unlock itself when it applies the clutch on the first drive (if you forgot to unlock it). And p0902 is an electrical issue, not mechanical. They were wrong.
Top tip: break the fill port bolt loose FIRST before draining the trans fluid. You're screwed if you drain the fluid and then can't get the fill port bolt loose.
I used to rent a lot of cars when I worked out of state. I got a couple of fords with this transmission and thought the were complete pieces of crap. I finally realized the cars had clutches in them and the computer was doing a horrible job of managing the clutch. Funny thing - after the two crappy rentals I never got another one with that transmission. Apparently Avis realized they had a problem with those cars and must have gotten rid of them. My daughter has a Focus sitting in her driveway which was abandoned by an ex-boyfriend with one of these transmissions in it. Of course, it has failed. It’s her car now but isn’t worth repairing. I think she intends to have it towed off to a scrapyard. Epic failure from Ford, but made more so by Ford walking away from the issue. JR - mad props to you for even attempting this repair.
Good old Ford! They did a similar thing in the early 90s with their 40 series tractors. A TCM was used to control a modified Dual Power unit but it didn't emulate a dry clutch very well. A lot of life long customers went to other brands
We appreciate the hard work you're putting towards these videos! Great job bud, were you up late editing for this one? Quite close to midnight, for this new video! Hope all is well, take care bud! And catch up on any sleep you might've lost
Ya his videos are always pretty informative and I love that he uploads more than once a week. We'd love to get to that point but we are just starting with one a week lol. JR setting the bar high haha
Lugnut comment; I've dealt with with Ford's swollen lugnuts since the 70's, the last time on my wife's Fusion 2 years ago. My nearby Ford Rapid Oil Change would not rotate the tires due to the nuts. They wanted $5 apiece to replace them with new 2-piece nuts. Oh, and we needed new tires. No way I was dealing with them, so I found the same set of Goodyear tires online at Walmart and them shipped to the store. They did not stock the nuts, so I got 20 Dorman 1-piece nuts at two local parts stores fir $32. Walmart gladly installed the new nuts with the new tires. Im not a mechanic, so I have to find tbe right folks to do the repairs. I hope the tranny somehow works out. A fine example of Ford's lack of good customer service.
Damn Ford Focus! Multiple dealer readaptations, 2 TCM replacements, and 2 clutch replacements in our new 2014 SE. Got Ford to buy back the vehicle via Lemon Law and purchased a Honda Civic. I am so glad to have that Focus gone.
Before installing new clutches I would experience rough shifts and slippage look, and Che by engine light would come on. The trans would correct itself quickly and engine light would go out after showing for several days. Ford garage couldn’t find any error code bubut C C😮c do
I had them replace clutch pack. They will soon replace tcu covered by 150,000 extended warranty. I think their strategy was to blame clutch problems on tcm. I hope you replaced seals as originals were faulty.
@@anguslean4058 How can they know that he changed the clutch? Can't he just pretend everything is still the old parts? I am asking because I want to change these parts, and I already sent someone to buy the parts from Ford. SO they don't have my name, and they don't have my cars' VIN. If I go into Ford one day, will they know that these parts have been changed? Can't I just pretend that everything is miraculously in good shape? I have an extended warranty on my TCM, so if it fails, they have to cover it, and I don't want to lose this warranty.
@@diverteddym you will have to read the warranty to see what they allow He had already gone to them so if he comes back they know he was already there I don’t think they would know about you unless there is some type of serial number printed on the clutch that they could check I doubt it
Thank you for this video. After watching this, I came to the realization. There is no way I have the exper tease. Or the equipment to do this myself. Thank you for saving me from embarrassment and frustration.
Check and clean all of your grounds I even went so far as adding 3 ground wires from the main grounding lug on the chassis to the two grounding points on the frame rail and one to the transmission. I used 6 AWG
When you renew the clutch pack in the uk there is a tcm software update as well and it asks you if you've installed a new clutch or refitted old as new clutch material is hard to reduce dust build up, might be same in 🇺🇸 but worth looking at
Excellent content! I know your pain, had the 11 Fiesta SES. Awesome little car, but the transmission was a PITA. Ford gave an additional 100K warranty after the factory warranty expired. The dealer would swap batteries , clean the grounds and it would operate 85% for about three months. I finally sent it down the road as a trade in at 80K miles. I got $2090 trade in on a new car. Had t been the true manual 6 speed, I would still have it today.
I have been dealing with a similar issue on a 13 focus. I replaced the clutch and the seals the car wouldn't creep forward. when I accelerated it wouldn't move and started showing tcm codes. I'm going to pull it all apart again as I think the issue is bigger than a tcm. Also a tcm at my cost from the dealer was less than $350. However it is on back order till the end of time.
When you reset the TCM Adaptive learning the transmission goes into default shift mode, where it shifts closer to a normal manual. Once the adaptive learning kicks in, it slips the clutch for smoother shifts.
the reprogramming will make a huge difference on how the car shifts. Also make sure you fully reset the TCM and you suppose to drive the car like a granny for 1000 miles. I had this verified by 3 different FORD Techs.
I drove a 2010 Renaul Megane with this gearbox (Getrag 6DCT250) and it seemed to shift not that smooth as well. It just needed a full throttle acceleration every now and then. It seems the same for this Ford.
My ‘12 creeped when new then the creeping went away & I accidentally dropped the garage door on it when backing out of the garage - I drive cars conservatively & couldn’t stand the horrible performance - replaced it after only 5,495 miles with a new ‘13 VW GTI with DSG & have been very happy since
I always replace my lug nuts on day 1 with high quality solid nuts like McGard or Gorilla. I have a stockpile of 80 ford capped nuts in both 12 and 14 mm.
I just bought this same car with the same paint job but it’s a 2012. I got it at a decent price because of the known issues with its transmission. I’m planning on just driving it until it doesn’t go anymore and then swapping the automatic transmission for a manual. There’s a full TH-cam video series on a guy that did it in his driveway. Fingers crossed 🤞
It's a Ford transmission. I have a 2019 Transit connect on the same Focus platform. 75k and transmission is acting up. My old E40D was junk too...one in 90 and the other in 94.... My GMC Savana had 285k miles on it and never had issues.
Try shifting manually at 35 mph from 4 to 6 and back (10 to 12 times) without altering gas peddal input hope you find it helpful 👍 (that worked for me )
During the chip shortage a couple years ago I was 17,000th in line nationally for a TCM for my 2015 Focus. Literally a year or more out. Had to scrap it.
Here in NZ we have a TV programme called "Fair Go". It sticks up for the consumer, if they are being "ripped" by the big guys.Basically, a couple of people had bought these cars & went to Fair Go coz it was going to cost to fix these cars, more than they were worth.These people paid many thousands of dollars for these cars, just to have them junked after just a year or two of ownership. Granted, they were bought second hand, but were mint cars when bought, & were mint when the gearboxes failed.Anyway, Fair Go went into bat for these guys (and when FG made some further enquiries, they found several more people in the same situation) and approached Ford NZ told them that these cars need to be fixed at Fords expence.A bit of two & fro ing, & Ford eventually agreed to fix them ONLY if the owners had written proof that ALL services were carried out by Ford. That I think ,shut the door for most owners, but I believe one or two owners had their repairs done by Ford at no expence to the owner/s Fair Go did say that there was a class action progressing against Ford Australia, at the time. I dont know how that panned out. Probably still going.But Ford fu..ked up big time & should have been made to recall these time bombs. It all comes down to who has the most expensive lawyers.
clearing tcm and driving after clutch install without tool adaptation is just manual teaching. it’ll take a minute to figure it out. also focus power Tom L tunes the DCT itself, could help out with that too
I don't have a lot of Ford-specific advice, but in the VW Audi DSG world, there are re-learn 'basic setting' procedures with certain prerequisites. May want to check if Ford has a similar procedure after clutch replacement. On VWs the transmission needs to be up to a certain temperature, foot on the brake, and parking brake applied. The basic settings procedure usually takes 5-10 minutes, during which the RPMs fluctuate, and clunking noises from the transmission are normal. There is also an adaptation drive procedure, but usually they drive pretty well after basic settings and it'll finish with normal driving. Did the failed learning procedure you showed in the video pass after swapping the clutch actuators? To me it seems like a software/adaptation-related issue on your Ford. If you reset the adaptations without completing the learning procedures, it's possible the transmission is using some factory default/incorrect calibration that's causing the erratic shifting. Only other thing I can think of is transmission fluid level. VWs can be finicky with their fluid level, and typically, during a fluid change, the transmission needs to be at the correct temperature with the car running to get the level right. Not sure if that would be your issue on the Ford though as it's a dry clutch unit. Or maybe it is the TCM. Ugh, best of luck.
Thanks Ford .. it’s either 💯 normal terrible stock sloppy shifting in these are the TCM is bad or maybe all TCMs are bad in these. Drove a ton of these in my rental days and all shifted terribly. I would drive them he’s and it got better but when you drive them like they are about to fail they shift erratically. People would complain that the transmission is bad in their rental and we would tell them that’s factory and offer a free day of rental as a token of enduring that POS Fiesta or Focu. Ford should have dropped the S in Focus and just called it the Ford Focu because that’s basically what was happening.
I bought a set of snap ring pliers from my local harbor freight here in Okmulgee Oklahoma. It came with four different pliers. I needed them to get the control valve out of the AC compressor on my 2004 XJR.
I spoke to a ford dealership about my 2012 and they told me the transmission software is adaptive to how its driven and i can say from experience if i did conservitive driving 2nd gear always shifted funny till i drove it hard for a while and that sorted it out. Sport mode driving took out the 6th gear but it also sorted out the 2nd gear shifting issue as well. Sport mode shift to the S but dont use the manual shift buttons. I drove that car that way from 61K miles to an additional 100k miles so the car had around 163k miles when i sold the car. Found out later the transmission failed at just over 170k miles. I found out about it cause i sold it to my ex-wife she used it as a trade-in for another car instead of getting it fixed. To be fair i sold her the car for less than what it was worth.
It needs driving.the tcm has adaptive learning. If you replaced the clutch actuators the tcm needs time to relearn. Ive replaced over a 20 off those types of transmission in the last few years. In Most cases a bad tcm program causes the clutches to burnout. Hyundai Veloster uses about the same transmissions but there adaptive learning programs are quicker than fords.
I'll pull the starter out and inspect for excessive clutch dust before I pull the transmission. If there's little to none then I'll sell the customer a TCM with the latest software update. Low battery voltage will absolutely make the transmission shift abnormal and occasionally hinder shift memory. Piss poor TCM location on Ford's engineering department .
This was why I got rid of my 2014 focus dct after two years with it…I just can’t have my daily driver be a big question mark for ‘will the TCM need a nap going to work today’
Blow the bellhousing out. My roommates 2014 focus didn't act up till over 135k miles and turned out the trans lost it's fluid and ate itself! In my family there's 2014 fiesta 80k+ miles no issues, 2016 fiesta and 2016 focus with around 60k miles going strong. Engines have be solid, Fiesta rear trailing arm bushings I did on one and others are starting to get play. Other than that been great and all DCTs (think that went without saying)
It is soul killing to get something back together and it doesn't work and you think you going to have to tear everything back apart and do it all over again. 🤐
Where did 12 turns come from? There’s a 1000 videos that show 14 turns. I did 2 of these and both times it was 14 turns on the actuators. Also did the clutch reset both times. On one of them the new clutch from LUK wasn’t set on I think the top clutch.
My Niece has a 2018 Focus Titanium. Ford did trans work under warranty. Horrible trans. Dealer wants $85 to change key fob batteries & re-program them. She said no more Fords. Smart gal!
My take is the clutch actuator(s) is/are worn and not able to precisely modulate the clutch pressure/slippage. I would replace both clutch actuators and repeat the clutch adaptation on the Autel.
The harder you drive these the better they drive. A full day of stop and go traffic driving them lightly and itll feel like a manual with an overheated clutch and shutter like crazy.
I've got the 2012 fusion with 6F35..130K miles and still seems solid. I did change tranny fluid at 75K. I've heard these things need a lot of tranny fluid changes.
I had a 2018 Focus... Apparently, the transmission was fixed for that model year. I had the car for 88,000 original miles. I feel like it was about to go when I traded it in. I miss that car... it was so much fun to drive.
Totally off the wall question. What do you use and how do you clean up all the fluids on that nice floor? I have an old concrete floor, so litter and break-clean if I need to. No concern about damaging the surface. But you have really nice floors, so I'm curious about how you keep them clean without damage.
It’s such a shame because I really liked my 2012 Focus. The dealer pulled my transmission 3 times replacing TCM and clutches before replacing the transmission. Ford eventually bought it back. No complaints about the dealer, imagine that!
I know they don't change gears as slick as a VW DSG.. the calibration as new seems to emulate a good(ish) auto box. The shifts more to the end of the test drive looked quite like a brand new Focus. The clutches slip a lot and the overall behavior looks more like a regular automatic transmission than a dct. Maybe, maybe.. that's why you were having this feeling of something wrong. Words of a car journalist who driven tons of those poweshifts when new
My guess. A weak actuator that is not completely disengaging the corresponding clutch. Partially engaged during shift. Results in excessive clutch wear.
Don't have to bed in clutches in a dual clutch transmission and that comes from a professional transmission place that deal in dual clutch transmissions. Creep takes a moment to engage itself. I have a dual clutch in my car. Remember the transmission is manual that does it all for you so think of how long it takes you to do a smooth take off. You need to get used to driving it.
Ford uses such specific cost targets on the parts they use. In order to maximize profits and minimize costs the parts have useful lives with exact scheduled consumer usage, rarely any overages. Any of the related parts to this transmission could also be at the end of its useful life.
My local Ford dealer charged me $970 to replace the clutch (A) actuator. Was it too much? I can see the top (A) actuator, and it looks like a few other parts have to come out, but the (B) is at the bottom and pretty easy to come out. They weren't sure what was wrong and took the transmission down, then realized it was a burned actuator. It's running well right now, so let's see how long it will last.
They actually fail with a purple look the slight blue whitish is what most are supposed to look like. What's odd is how they are failing all over the country as you'd not think every supplier got faulty lights with bad driver units. How white or bluish can vary slightly on what color temperature they ordered.
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I've done hundreds of of these clutches on focus and fiesta. I worked at a dealership in the detroit metro area. I was told by an engineer to drive the car like a rental car after the initial clutch adaptive learn. These cars are continuously learning. Alot of times the TCM does fail and make you think the clutch has failed. Most of the TSB's start with reprogramming the TCM and do an adaptive learn. Good Luck buddy.
I had a 2013 Focus Titanium that I purchased new. From what I remember, starting the car rolling and the 1-2 shift was never any good. However, in the upper gears, the DCT worked well. The car needs to have the hell driven out of it for the DCT to learn how to shift smoothly. I’d go thru the process each time the DCT software was updated. However, If you baby the car afterward, it will learn bad habits and shift like crap again. You will then have to take it out to the backroads and drive the hell out of it again. The DCT is an awful transmission. Don’t set your expectations too high.
@John-wp9ex I had a 14 Titanium Hatch..first gear shuddered like a manual
@scottmcmordie Wow hundreds so far nice, I bet you can knock 2 of these jobs out in a single day no problem! I did around 100 of these jobs during my 7 months working with the transmission guy at a Ford dealer. He told me basically the same thing; to drive the hell out of the car during the road test haha
@@davidreeves2596 Manuals dont shudder.....
Gorno Ford?
Ford Tech here, and ford focus owner.
Most people are not used to the way that the focus/fiesta DCTs shift. They’re funky. Yes you do have to drive them hard. If your “easy” on them they’ll shutter and not shift right. When we do this job we drive around town moderate throttle lots of cycles and then find a strait road to give it the “beans” about 6 times through all gears. And then back to moderate on the way back to the shop.
The beans?!
Hey JR. my daughter had the same car and was complaining about a rough shift on her car. I ran check of the ground wires for the two shift motors and found they had a high resistance to ground. Pulled the ground wires off the painted body cleaned the paint off the ground points and cleaned up the wire terminals. Put it back together and she never had another shift problem. Hope this might help someone out there fighting this bad trans problem.
Yeah I tried that in the first video on this car, before it went to Ford :/
Today was Jr's first day as a certified Ford Tech, he quit immediately after finishing this job... 😂😂😂
😂😂 certified. He has no clue what he's doing. He's a code reader/ parts cannon. Use an oscilloscope to figure out what's going on. This symptom isn't hard to diagnose.
@@diablo7322000 "He has no clue what he's doing. He's a code reader/ parts cannon."
You just described certified Ford Tech.
Nearly 100% of the time, on these cars, a P0902 code is a defective TCM.
LMAO I just want to know what an oscilloscope is gonna do with a motor that runs a jackshaft in and out… this isn’t rocket surgery, it’s basic as hell. I did the job right (FORD DIAGNOSED IT AS A BAD CLUTCH AND TOLD ME TO F OFF) so I did the exact job they said I needed. No one could’ve done this better, it’s probably a TCM like everyone else said.
can the tcm be taken apart and inspected (like faulty caps or something)?@@WatchJRGo
It’s been a few years since I got rid of my 2012 Focus, but the dealership replaced the clutch shortly before I got rid of it. It was shifting weird even still, so I took it back and they reset the adaptive learning on it and told me to drive it hard while it was re-learning my driving habits. It improved after that. My opinion while watching this was that it sounds like normal behavior, because you had just reset the trans and it needed to relearn your driving habits.
It was such a colossal screw up by Ford not to recall this. It was a fantastic small car in almost every other respect, and had they chosen to fix it they could have saved their reputation and made a lot more money.
I bought my daughter's 2014 with 90,000 and it was having the dreaded shutter at takeoff. I took out both actuators and blew some air down the holes to get some of the dust out. Put 2 new actuators and changed the fluid and the car has run flawlessly since. These cars have so many things that can cause transmission issues, Ford should've bought these cars back and save grace.
i did this too but after a week it died on me again so i ultimately just gave up and towed it away ... after reading these comments i really should have kept it for longer and tried a little more !!! ahhh
I keep a strong rare earth magnet for when you drop a bolt in the bell housing. With an aluminum bellhousing you can use the magnet on the outside of the transmission, and it will grab the nut then you slide it up to the access hole. A lot easier than pulling the trans again, or trying to fish it out with a borescope and grabber. Obviously if the bellhousing is furious metal that trick doesn't work (sometimes it will depends on how thick it is)
I've owned the same vehicle and the TCM was replaced 5 times in my ownership for me by Ford until my warranty was up then I traded in the vehicle.... Horrible that they never recalled....
It is almost NEVER the TCM, dealers just replace them ( or sometimes even just reflash only ), to get you out the door.
Ive seen at the dealership these fords will come in to Hyundai Ill be valuing them as trade in. So many times, focus and fiestas would come in, and customers will say, and show paper work that the same thing was replaced, over nad over and over again, usually 3 to 6 times, for it to fail again and again, frustrating the customers so much, that on its own it literally killed Fords Passanger vehicle market in Australia, due to that people aint buying anything else but Rangers, Mustangs ETC from ford. Yes they havent recalled it. Which I see it as if we recall it, we will be replacing so many more parts and boxes, we will just replace and flash the cars that come it with the issue, regardless of how many times they come back. Because if your not recalling, besides the reputation, legally, you better be fixing it. Ive never heard of a situation like this, were the company uses same methods, same parts with same part numbers, and expecting it to magically go away.
I changed one recently and I'm sure there were more clicks per clutch when doing the manual release. I suggest redoing that step. Also, the programming is very important. Mine ran rough like that till I had a successful clutch reprogramming. Good luck!
I pulled actuator A and did 12 turns. No change, I’ll pull it again and try 14 since someone suggested that 🤔
I looked at a focus at a dealership in Wichita for my daughter. The transmission was doing the same thing that you felt. The dealership offered my $500 off and a month warranty on the transmission. I told them to shove it. 3 months later they still contact my every week to come buy it.
My 2015 when it’s trans was repaired, the dealer told me to drive it like I stole it. That keeps the trans working good in these. No joke!
Watching the video. I think the first click was the socket wrench hitting the ground and not the actually clutch click. The second one you worked on was an actual click.
Hate to say it, but I've got to admit that that was my initial impression as well when I first saw the video. After rewatching just that segment, I'm less sure, but still thing the socket wrench hitting the ground COULD have been the sound heard. Worth checking....
When you were setting the clutch, the first click wasn’t as loud as the second one could’ve been the pre-click that you heard on the second one that you thought was the click on the first one
I just watched a video of a guy doing ten turns and releasing. Then repeating. Heard the click and kept going. Definitely worth trying
I always do at least 12 turns but no more than 13 to be sure it's unlocked.
I love my 2012 Focus. After 173k miles and one clutch replacement, it runs like a top.
So you got a manual then Hahahahah. no ones going to believe you had the powersit auto and it lasted that long.
It's either a bad TCM or actuator. You can take the upper and lower actuators and swap locations, see if the code switches to a P090C. If so, replace both actuators. If it stays as a P0902, it needs a TCM.
I did swap the actuators, still P0902 so it must not be an actuator... gotta be a TCM. I did this whole job because the Ford dealer guaranteed it was a clutch failure 😡
I'm going to pull A again in a minute and try 13 turns instead of just 12 to release the clips, but it has to be unlocked, pretty sure the car couldn't drive if the actuators couldn't move the physical clutch.
@@WatchJRGo Yeah it's unlocked. It'll unlock itself when it applies the clutch on the first drive (if you forgot to unlock it). And p0902 is an electrical issue, not mechanical. They were wrong.
@@BigBensCarsAndCycles thanks for chiming in, I know you’ve done a bunch of these things 💪
Pretty much exactly what I was afraid would happen here, and why we traded ours away for a Honda.
Top tip: break the fill port bolt loose FIRST before draining the trans fluid. You're screwed if you drain the fluid and then can't get the fill port bolt loose.
yes, JR's mentioned that before so was surprised to see he didn't do it. Maybe he'd already had it off or something.
I refilled the one on my 2019 Transit connect from the top.
It was already low so had to fill it one way or another anyway.
Yes and no you can fill from the vent hole if all else fails
Easier just to fill it via the top vent hole, 1 & 3/4 quarts.
I used to rent a lot of cars when I worked out of state. I got a couple of fords with this transmission and thought the were complete pieces of crap. I finally realized the cars had clutches in them and the computer was doing a horrible job of managing the clutch.
Funny thing - after the two crappy rentals I never got another one with that transmission. Apparently Avis realized they had a problem with those cars and must have gotten rid of them.
My daughter has a Focus sitting in her driveway which was abandoned by an ex-boyfriend with one of these transmissions in it. Of course, it has failed. It’s her car now but isn’t worth repairing. I think she intends to have it towed off to a scrapyard.
Epic failure from Ford, but made more so by Ford walking away from the issue.
JR - mad props to you for even attempting this repair.
Good old Ford!
They did a similar thing in the early 90s with their 40 series tractors. A TCM was used to control a modified Dual Power unit but it didn't emulate a dry clutch very well. A lot of life long customers went to other brands
Wow, FORD has really failed their buyers by walking away from this problem. That’s bad for PR. Hoping this repair works itself out. Nightmare.
Always great when Jake is there, make sure he lifts with his legs next time. We all know how bad his back is.
We appreciate the hard work you're putting towards these videos! Great job bud, were you up late editing for this one? Quite close to midnight, for this new video! Hope all is well, take care bud! And catch up on any sleep you might've lost
Ya his videos are always pretty informative and I love that he uploads more than once a week. We'd love to get to that point but we are just starting with one a week lol. JR setting the bar high haha
Lugnut comment; I've dealt with with Ford's swollen lugnuts since the 70's, the last time on my wife's Fusion 2 years ago. My nearby Ford Rapid Oil Change would not rotate the tires due to the nuts. They wanted $5 apiece to replace them with new 2-piece nuts. Oh, and we needed new tires. No way I was dealing with them, so I found the same set of Goodyear tires online at Walmart and them shipped to the store. They did not stock the nuts, so I got 20 Dorman 1-piece nuts at two local parts stores fir $32. Walmart gladly installed the new nuts with the new tires. Im
not a mechanic, so I have to find tbe right folks to do the repairs. I hope the tranny somehow works out. A fine example of Ford's lack of good customer service.
Damn Ford Focus! Multiple dealer readaptations, 2 TCM replacements, and 2 clutch replacements in our new 2014 SE. Got Ford to buy back the vehicle via Lemon Law and purchased a Honda Civic. I am so glad to have that Focus gone.
Before installing new clutches I would experience rough shifts and slippage look, and Che by engine light would come on. The trans would correct itself quickly and engine light would go out after showing for several days. Ford garage couldn’t find any error code bubut C C😮c do
I had them replace clutch pack. They will soon replace tcu covered by 150,000 extended warranty. I think their strategy was to blame clutch problems on tcm. I hope you replaced seals as originals were faulty.
Now that you have a code...take it back to Ford.
He can’t because he changed the clutch
They are going to charge him ( financially abuse him )
@@anguslean4058 How can they know that he changed the clutch? Can't he just pretend everything is still the old parts?
I am asking because I want to change these parts, and I already sent someone to buy the parts from Ford. SO they don't have my name, and they don't have my cars' VIN. If I go into Ford one day, will they know that these parts have been changed? Can't I just pretend that everything is miraculously in good shape? I have an extended warranty on my TCM, so if it fails, they have to cover it, and I don't want to lose this warranty.
@@diverteddym you will have to read the warranty to see what they allow
He had already gone to them so if he comes back they know he was already there
I don’t think they would know about you unless there is some type of serial number printed on the clutch that they could check
I doubt it
@@anguslean4058 my warranty is horrible. The conditions are trash. Very rigid. I basically can’t touch the gearbox.
You’re a better man than I JR. I won’t do trans work. I buy a friend a bottle of top shelf hooch and she does it. Clutch work too.
Thank you for this video. After watching this, I came to the realization. There is no way I have the exper tease. Or the equipment to do this myself. Thank you for saving me from embarrassment and frustration.
Check and clean all of your grounds I even went so far as adding 3 ground wires from the main grounding lug on the chassis to the two grounding points on the frame rail and one to the transmission. I used 6 AWG
Usually you have to drive for a while for it to relearn all the reset adaptives
I bought that Milwaukke caulking gun upon your recoomendation of it..i love it! I didnt even know battery operated caulking guns existed.
Mine has probably run for 4 hours straight now… it was so worth it 💯
When you renew the clutch pack in the uk there is a tcm software update as well and it asks you if you've installed a new clutch or refitted old as new clutch material is hard to reduce dust build up, might be same in 🇺🇸 but worth looking at
Had a 14. 2 rebuilds. 1 TCM. Left me on the roadside for an overheating condition. Traded it for a Honda Civic the next day.
Excellent content! I know your pain, had the 11 Fiesta SES. Awesome little car, but the transmission was a PITA. Ford gave an additional 100K warranty after the factory warranty expired. The dealer would swap batteries , clean the grounds and it would operate 85% for about three months. I finally sent it down the road as a trade in at 80K miles. I got $2090 trade in on a new car. Had t been the true manual 6 speed, I would still have it today.
I have been dealing with a similar issue on a 13 focus. I replaced the clutch and the seals the car wouldn't creep forward. when I accelerated it wouldn't move and started showing tcm codes. I'm going to pull it all apart again as I think the issue is bigger than a tcm. Also a tcm at my cost from the dealer was less than $350. However it is on back order till the end of time.
When you reset the TCM Adaptive learning the transmission goes into default shift mode, where it shifts closer to a normal manual. Once the adaptive learning kicks in, it slips the clutch for smoother shifts.
the reprogramming will make a huge difference on how the car shifts.
Also make sure you fully reset the TCM and you suppose to drive the car like a granny for 1000 miles.
I had this verified by 3 different FORD Techs.
I drove a 2010 Renaul Megane with this gearbox (Getrag 6DCT250) and it seemed to shift not that smooth as well. It just needed a full throttle acceleration every now and then.
It seems the same for this Ford.
My ‘12 creeped when new then the creeping went away & I accidentally dropped the garage door on it when backing out of the garage - I drive cars conservatively & couldn’t stand the horrible performance - replaced it after only 5,495 miles with a new ‘13 VW GTI with DSG & have been very happy since
If its a circuit code its always a tcm
I always replace my lug nuts on day 1 with high quality solid nuts like McGard or Gorilla. I have a stockpile of 80 ford capped nuts in both 12 and 14 mm.
I just bought this same car with the same paint job but it’s a 2012. I got it at a decent price because of the known issues with its transmission. I’m planning on just driving it until it doesn’t go anymore and then swapping the automatic transmission for a manual. There’s a full TH-cam video series on a guy that did it in his driveway. Fingers crossed 🤞
It's a Ford transmission. I have a 2019 Transit connect on the same Focus platform. 75k and transmission is acting up. My old E40D was junk too...one in 90 and the other in 94.... My GMC Savana had 285k miles on it and never had issues.
Try getting ForScan, and reprogram the TCM, before replacing it.
Try shifting manually at 35 mph from 4 to 6 and back (10 to 12 times) without altering gas peddal input hope you find it helpful 👍 (that worked for me )
Manual swap it would be a very good video !
During the chip shortage a couple years ago I was 17,000th in line nationally for a TCM for my 2015 Focus. Literally a year or more out. Had to scrap it.
That’s insane! This should definitely be a class action suit
Damm that's a nightmare
Why didn’t you just park it until the part was available?
@@bryangilmer671My wife needed a car to drive. Couldn’t afford to have this just sit for a year. Got $3k for it from a mechanic friend.
new transmissions make me nostalgic for C4 & C6 i could remove/repair/reinstall with a book and a buddy
The Focus is the new Pinto. Put In New Transmission Often.
Here in NZ we have a TV programme called "Fair Go". It sticks up for the consumer, if they are being "ripped" by the big guys.Basically, a couple of people had bought these cars & went to Fair Go coz it was going to cost to fix these cars, more than they were worth.These people paid many thousands of dollars for these cars, just to have them junked after just a year or two of ownership. Granted, they were bought second hand, but were mint cars when bought, & were mint when the gearboxes failed.Anyway, Fair Go went into bat for these guys (and when FG made some further enquiries, they found several more people in the same situation) and approached Ford NZ told them that these cars need to be fixed at Fords expence.A bit of two & fro ing, & Ford eventually agreed to fix them ONLY if the owners had written proof that ALL services were carried out by Ford. That I think ,shut the door for most owners, but I believe one or two owners had their repairs done by Ford at no expence to the owner/s Fair Go did say that there was a class action progressing against Ford Australia, at the time. I dont know how that panned out. Probably still going.But Ford fu..ked up big time & should have been made to recall these time bombs. It all comes down to who has the most expensive lawyers.
clearing tcm and driving after clutch install without tool adaptation is just manual teaching. it’ll take a minute to figure it out.
also focus power Tom L tunes the DCT itself, could help out with that too
Was waiting for this video before I went to bed…
Was waiting for this video before getting up.
Redoing stuff is the worst and especially if you don't have a smoking gun to tell you that you're going to have it fixed.😢
Way late. Darn. Hats off to Jake for being brave enough to buy a cheap older M5.
E39s are pretty solid cars and the S62 engine in the M5 is good too. Not too many electronics or fancy stuff.
I don't have a lot of Ford-specific advice, but in the VW Audi DSG world, there are re-learn 'basic setting' procedures with certain prerequisites. May want to check if Ford has a similar procedure after clutch replacement. On VWs the transmission needs to be up to a certain temperature, foot on the brake, and parking brake applied. The basic settings procedure usually takes 5-10 minutes, during which the RPMs fluctuate, and clunking noises from the transmission are normal. There is also an adaptation drive procedure, but usually they drive pretty well after basic settings and it'll finish with normal driving.
Did the failed learning procedure you showed in the video pass after swapping the clutch actuators? To me it seems like a software/adaptation-related issue on your Ford. If you reset the adaptations without completing the learning procedures, it's possible the transmission is using some factory default/incorrect calibration that's causing the erratic shifting.
Only other thing I can think of is transmission fluid level. VWs can be finicky with their fluid level, and typically, during a fluid change, the transmission needs to be at the correct temperature with the car running to get the level right. Not sure if that would be your issue on the Ford though as it's a dry clutch unit. Or maybe it is the TCM. Ugh, best of luck.
I think that is the closest thing to getting mad that I have ever seen JR get!
Well if you're supposed to drive them hard then I guess I did it right lol. Mine went clear up over 250,000 miles before my clutch went out.
Wait, was a manual swap an alternative? That would have been interesting and way more reliable in the long run.
Looked into it for mine. Way too costly and you have to swap computers or else it won't go above 3500rpm.
Realize the seat covers in this car, it’s owned by a woman. Chances are they don’t want a manual
Thanks Ford .. it’s either 💯 normal terrible stock sloppy shifting in these are the TCM is bad or maybe all TCMs are bad in these. Drove a ton of these in my rental days and all shifted terribly. I would drive them he’s and it got better but when you drive them like they are about to fail they shift erratically. People would complain that the transmission is bad in their rental and we would tell them that’s factory and offer a free day of rental as a token of enduring that POS Fiesta or Focu. Ford should have dropped the S in Focus and just called it the Ford Focu because that’s basically what was happening.
I can't believe that you allowed Erik to use a funnel! The annoying echo has returned.
I bought a set of snap ring pliers from my local harbor freight here in Okmulgee Oklahoma. It came with four different pliers. I needed them to get the control valve out of the AC compressor on my 2004 XJR.
I spoke to a ford dealership about my 2012 and they told me the transmission software is adaptive to how its driven and i can say from experience if i did conservitive driving 2nd gear always shifted funny till i drove it hard for a while and that sorted it out. Sport mode driving took out the 6th gear but it also sorted out the 2nd gear shifting issue as well. Sport mode shift to the S but dont use the manual shift buttons. I drove that car that way from 61K miles to an additional 100k miles so the car had around 163k miles when i sold the car. Found out later the transmission failed at just over 170k miles. I found out about it cause i sold it to my ex-wife she used it as a trade-in for another car instead of getting it fixed. To be fair i sold her the car for less than what it was worth.
It needs driving.the tcm has adaptive learning. If you replaced the clutch actuators the tcm needs time to relearn. Ive replaced over a 20 off those types of transmission in the last few years. In Most cases a bad tcm program causes the clutches to burnout. Hyundai Veloster uses about the same transmissions but there adaptive learning programs are quicker than fords.
Wonder how many clutches were replaced when all it needed was a good bell housing blow and clean out!
I'll pull the starter out and inspect for excessive clutch dust before I pull the transmission. If there's little to none then I'll sell the customer a TCM with the latest software update. Low battery voltage will absolutely make the transmission shift abnormal and occasionally hinder shift memory. Piss poor TCM location on Ford's engineering department .
@@19ricky76rr Where else can it be mounted? It literally had 2 gears that are in contact with the gearbox internals
This was why I got rid of my 2014 focus dct after two years with it…I just can’t have my daily driver be a big question mark for ‘will the TCM need a nap going to work today’
I have a 2015 fiesta purchased new with about 68k kilometres with zero issues.
Blow the bellhousing out.
My roommates 2014 focus didn't act up till over 135k miles and turned out the trans lost it's fluid and ate itself! In my family there's 2014 fiesta 80k+ miles no issues, 2016 fiesta and 2016 focus with around 60k miles going strong.
Engines have be solid, Fiesta rear trailing arm bushings I did on one and others are starting to get play. Other than that been great and all DCTs (think that went without saying)
Loving the longer videos!!!!
It's such a shame I drove a 15 focus for 195,000 mi before I started to lose reverse and dump the car for a Civic They are such fun cars to drive
I had to trash my 2015 for this reason. I miss that car it was a great money maker
It is soul killing to get something back together and it doesn't work and you think you going to have to tear everything back apart and do it all over again. 🤐
Where did 12 turns come from? There’s a 1000 videos that show 14 turns. I did 2 of these and both times it was 14 turns on the actuators. Also did the clutch reset both times. On one of them the new clutch from LUK wasn’t set on I think the top clutch.
My Niece has a 2018 Focus Titanium. Ford did trans work under warranty. Horrible trans. Dealer wants $85 to change key fob batteries & re-program them. She said no more Fords. Smart gal!
My take is the clutch actuator(s) is/are worn and not able to precisely modulate the clutch pressure/slippage. I would replace both clutch actuators and repeat the clutch adaptation on the Autel.
The harder you drive these the better they drive. A full day of stop and go traffic driving them lightly and itll feel like a manual with an overheated clutch and shutter like crazy.
I drove a few Ford focuses and it does appear these cars perform better when you drive them aggressively
I've got the 2012 fusion with 6F35..130K miles and still seems solid. I did change tranny fluid at 75K. I've heard these things need a lot of tranny fluid changes.
6F35 is a normal auto, probably will run forever 🍻
P0902 - Dude it needs a TCM - Go to a different dealer. You got screwed. See my comment on your previous video
I had a 2018 Focus... Apparently, the transmission was fixed for that model year. I had the car for 88,000 original miles. I feel like it was about to go when I traded it in. I miss that car... it was so much fun to drive.
I have a 2018 and believe me it is not fixed.
@@joshuabryant9845 now that I think about it... yeah... you're right.
hey buddy did you clean the forks ? if they are cover with the clutch dust it will not shift properly ! .
I replaced them, cleaned the pads with brake clean, it’s literally perfect. 🍻
Why I love RWD manuals . So easy and cheap to buy parts and service the clutch. $$
Don’t remove the starter, remove the oil pan instead. 10 times easier and the clutch nuts are a breeze. Drain and replace the DCT fluid to start with.
I used to work at Sunnex tools in Travelers Rest SC
I didn't know about the swollen lug nut thing until a week before this aired. I was like WTH ford, what happens if I have a flat?
Totally off the wall question. What do you use and how do you clean up all the fluids on that nice floor? I have an old concrete floor, so litter and break-clean if I need to. No concern about damaging the surface. But you have really nice floors, so I'm curious about how you keep them clean without damage.
It’s such a shame because I really liked my 2012 Focus. The dealer pulled my transmission 3 times replacing TCM and clutches before replacing the transmission. Ford eventually bought it back. No complaints about the dealer, imagine that!
Should of bought a 2.5L ford fusion
Its not a TCM failure its a "Ford" NUFF SAID!!
give us an update on the house remodeling please
I know they don't change gears as slick as a VW DSG.. the calibration as new seems to emulate a good(ish) auto box. The shifts more to the end of the test drive looked quite like a brand new Focus. The clutches slip a lot and the overall behavior looks more like a regular automatic transmission than a dct.
Maybe, maybe.. that's why you were having this feeling of something wrong. Words of a car journalist who driven tons of those poweshifts when new
Trade it in for a Corolla and never look back. Just change the Toyotas oil and filter and forget the rest...
Great vidoe man, DCTs are no joke. There will be great lessons learned for all of us with this one.
The most important being - never buy anything with a DTC! 🙂
I'd bet it'd go faster with Cragars on it. 🤣🤣
Don't Cragars add about 30% more horsepower?? 😁
I would be at my "Ford Limit" by that point too!
My guess. A weak actuator that is not completely disengaging the corresponding clutch. Partially engaged during shift. Results in excessive clutch wear.
When we going back to the lake House?
You know there’s really nothing left to do, we were gonna go this weekend but man it’ll be one boring video.
Don't have to bed in clutches in a dual clutch transmission and that comes from a professional transmission place that deal in dual clutch transmissions. Creep takes a moment to engage itself. I have a dual clutch in my car. Remember the transmission is manual that does it all for you so think of how long it takes you to do a smooth take off. You need to get used to driving it.
Ford uses such specific cost targets on the parts they use. In order to maximize profits and minimize costs the parts have useful lives with exact scheduled consumer usage, rarely any overages. Any of the related parts to this transmission could also be at the end of its useful life.
My local Ford dealer charged me $970 to replace the clutch (A) actuator. Was it too much? I can see the top (A) actuator, and it looks like a few other parts have to come out, but the (B) is at the bottom and pretty easy to come out. They weren't sure what was wrong and took the transmission down, then realized it was a burned actuator. It's running well right now, so let's see how long it will last.
JR, if you don't know, it must be really broken. At least your new truck is fine.
What you do with these cars is, accidentally wreck them and let the insurance companies have them
Those seat covers belong in a VW Bug circa 1967
Can't get over those 'failed' LED street lamps which are now a bit on the blue side instead of white.
They actually fail with a purple look the slight blue whitish is what most are supposed to look like. What's odd is how they are failing all over the country as you'd not think every supplier got faulty lights with bad driver units. How white or bluish can vary slightly on what color temperature they ordered.
Who knew this was a do it yourself project. Yes for JR, but no for most of us scmucks.
There is a ground for both of the actuators, I have heard the bad ground will cause the poor shifting.