@@gthakur17Yeah, his videos were alright but I learned he spent a lot of time arguing about politics on Twitter so I wouldn't be surprised if he got riled up by politics and it affected his mental health.
I don't know why technical personalities in F1( apart from Newey) are less celebrated than the drivers. These machines are nothing short of engineering marvels.
Celebrating the collective ingenuity of the people that actually build racing cars tends to entail _not_ constantly putting the brakes on their ability to differentiate themselves from the field. Motor racing as a whole has pushed the driver-centric angle hard, because that way it's easier to justify increasingly restrictive rulesets, performance balancing, and spec parts. If the cars (and thus, their performance) aren't as varied and far apart, "the drivers can make the difference". That's my conspiracy theory, anyway. It's also more likely down to the fact that, as opposed to racing drivers (whose faces we see in the paddock and on the podium all the time and thus recognize), technical heads aren't constantly in front of the camera. It's very easy, even as a diehard, to let it slip the mind that these people even exist, and part of the reason Newey is a relative exception is because the dude has a long history of also working on the pit wall. Doesn't help that, as opposed to drivers so conventionally attractive they end up on the cover of Vogue, Newey kinda looks like a math teacher. He's not even a wise old man with an 8-foot beard, he just looks like some guy. Relatable, but not an attention-grabbing guy by any means.
@@phukfone8428 Not really got anything to do with that. People just don't care about the team behind the car quite as much as the "superstar" that gets all the TV time and is "doing the work" on track.
It's just basic human nature. The parasocial appeal of the drivers brings a significant amount of attention to the sport. Basically hijacks the same parts of the brain that allow celebrities and influencers to exist. Also add to that potency, a team is made of hundreds of people so the attention is diluted amongst so many faces, most them we know absolutely nothing about. When you focus on one or two drivers per team you get to learn their personality, understand the stakes at hand for said driver and ultimately relate to them as human beings (think of leclercs misfortunes) this relates to the first point above So in the end we have a situation where the lions share of attention (and often money) is going towards the drivers which in my opinion play a comparatively small part in making the sport possible, but that's just it, human nature
Dude, you're being way too harsh on Sauber. How can you excpect them to understand downforce when all their resources this year have gone into figuring out how to make a pit stop in less than 30 seconds 😂
These new rules aren't even about downforce anymore, teams are realising its now more about mechanical setups, it is thought this is why the Mclaren is so fast and so consistent because it has a mechanical setup with the suspension & aerodynamics that it works so great it's consistent everywhere
I think you just need a good base to work from, teams like redbull are fast but there cars is extremely peaky, very easy to go out the working range for there car compared to McLaren who’s only changed their floor once all season so far and seem to have really good balance which make them fast at every circuit even if they may not be the fastest
In my opinion having a more modern wind tunnel is a greater reason for their dominance this year, every upgrade has been an improvement unlike the other teams
This is why I'm not stoked at all for the upcoming regulation change. Not only has this reg era allowed more competitive and entertaining on track battles, but as you guys explained it poses a super unique challenge to these teams, and we're really seeing them have to struggle for every bit of performance. The teams are getting closer and week-in week-out we can't be sure of who will be on top and we're seeing the momentum shift from race to race or even session to session making each weekend more intriguing and exhilarating. Sure we had RB absolutely dominate, but everyone has caught up and unless they get on top of their issues several teams have a real chance of straight up usurping them in pace week to week. With each regulation change we usually see one team knock it put the park, and right as competition heats up more than ever it seems we're bound for that to happen again. I would love to see another year or two of these regs honestly, this season is the best season we've had since 2023 and I feel like next year we have the real possibility of a 2012 like season which was one of the best in modern history, imo. Another thing I've appreciated about our current regs is how teams like Mclaren went from quite literally being the slowest car just 18 months ago to now being the class of the field. I can't recall something like that ever happening in F1 history, others teams fortunes have risin and fallen dramatically as well and who knows what's to come. Seems like you can claw back ground or lose it in unprecedented time. With a shake-up we have no guarantee that another team will close the gap just look at 2014-which was another regulation change more akin to the upcoming 2026 ones being PU focused-Merc pulled absolutely dominated that entire era from 2014-2016. It took until the new 2017 regs to even get a team within striking distance and even then until 2021 until we had a proper season-long championship battle for the championships.
It's great! It means closer racing. If teams like Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari etc have trouble understanding how to make their cars faster, and only specialise at certain circuits, we get less chances of a single team dominating.
Flexible front wings, and floors open up a whole new can o' worms. WORMS! The more load you make with the front wing the faster the floor kicks into action. As you said though, if the wings don't flex the car becomes undrivable at high speeds. A nicely balanced car keeps the tires happy.
Because 'active aero' isn't implemented with the current generations of F1, which is why the genius of Adrian Newey's design shined through because his worked brilliantly at the start while others didn't get to figuring out what's best till in the later months to even the next couple of seasons'.
The solution to make underfloor aero work correctly is by having active suspension. This will allow to keep the car low at lower speed corners while allowing the suspension to response to stalling at high speed.
One of the reasons that Mclaren has the best car is that works teams can't upgrade their PUs, so aerodynamics and platform control are the only things that can developed
Another great rule the FIA added... to the point that not Alpine have decided it's not worth the work.... while red bull went the otherway. It probably really sink or swim for RBPT, they complained against Renault having and Allowance to catch up because they missed and now they are coming in as a new Supplier. If they miss the mark it's really gonna hurt.
Doesn’t matter the FIA have mandated PU manufacturers must supply all teams with the same PU spec Being a works team only helps in terms of packaging now
What do you think McLaren have upgraded on their PU? Don’t you think it would be a bit weird that McLaren would be able to make better improvements than the manufacturer? Which rule states that only independent teams can modify their PUs and works teams specifically can’t? The Works teams will always have an advantage as the engine is designed specifically for their car, this includes calculations for the centre of gravity and the general location within the chassis and mounting points for other parts on the car. The Mercedes car design is just not as good as the McLaren, largely down to the original failed zero side pod design that has screwed them this rule set and it is very difficult playing catch up with limited resources.
@@leoarevalo6786 HAAS made that decision to do so not Ferrari as it’s cheaper If HAAS wanted the 2024 engine spec it would have to be identical to Ferrari and Sauber
Surely this video should be titled "Why the Ground Effect Regs are Working", because the entire point of them was to reduce the development gap, make for closer racing and create a set of regs that means every tenth literally matters. The fact we can go into any weekend at the moment and not be able to confidently predict the pecking order is a really, really good thing for the sport.
First thing is that FIA dont understand the rules that they create. Second they dont execute the rules. Third lack of consequence. Edit: lack of consistency.
They do understand them but the teams have armies trying to exploit them. They do execute the rules... even to the point people think they are being heavy handed... On the no consequences point i can agree... but they are the governing body of (nearly all) motor sport worldwide... people seem to think all the fia do is f1. They are running 100s of racing series. They have just been made part of the show in f1. The FIA doesnt need consequences realistically any racer knows you turn up to race under the rules and the FIA is the only reason those are the same worldwide. What consequences do you believe they should face?
@@RhysWilliams-u3o My mistake: not consequence but consistence. They ban one thing, which is deemed illegal, fail to address another suspicious thing, and dont delete points for illegal technologies.
@@kkrsnn5632 well I agree with that but they are fighting against teams trying to fool them... I can also understand that they can only test so much during Parc ferme. We also don't see the hours of meetings during the week that go on that give explanations to the things we think are "Illegal". as the saying goes "its not about what written in f1 it's all about what's not"
Well, it is and remains the old problem of the 'window' in which a car can fully exploit its potential. With only three or four components, it is (almost) easy to find the 'operation window'. But now there are over 30 (or more) components to consider AND... the combination of the 'best' individual components does not always create a drivable car.
FI needs to do what WEC has done, Stop telling them what exactly they can do and just give them performance limits. As long as they are under XX downforce and XX HP while bing with in safety requirements. it will reduce the cos t of developing the cars and make the races much more competitive.
There has been talk that those hypercar rules are also an experiment for other classes like perhaps Formula One. I don't know if it'll ever happen, but it would make for far more interesting competitions
I was a huge supporter of the new regs when they came in but am now happy to see them go in 2026. They seem to not work on many fronts, especially given drivers now suggest following is getting worse again. I'd blame them on the loss of DR but DR struggled in the old regs, too. Perhaps what we're seeing is fine margins being chased for tiny gains to the detriment of driveability. I miss the old cars and especially the old understandable trajectory of a team's work.
2026 isn't looking great either. 50/50 hybrids with effectively the ICE working as a generator for the electric part of the power train just to keep up speeds on straights. Active aero front wings so instead of moving away from DRS we're doubling down just again so the cars could actually keep up speeds on the straight. I don't want to be overly pessimistic before we've even hit the track, but I do have my doubts.
Because ground effect cars suck. I've been following racing for a long time and I never saw a racing series improving its racing when using them. Finding balance is impossible. Previous cars were more agile, could be thrown anywhere in the track and they worked, it was easy to find balance. Dirt air was an issue but that's why DRS is there after all. Current cars behave like they must stick to a specific line, they are restrictive. That makes it hard for teams to understand them. Since the goal was to improve racing, F1 needs a reverse DRS (aka hanford device, or DIS if you prefer). Activates on every lap, every straight, no need to be within distance of anyone. Auto disable on corners to make the wings efficient again. And go back to a wing focused aero. Or let teams use active suspension and a fan to generate controllable downforce.
They would be fine if the FIA didn't mandate simplified suspension and actually policed the overboard outwash devices. The racing in 2022 was very nice.
@@megumin3336 Fortunately I don't cheer for any team or driver. As I said, never seen any racing get better with ground effect. Even IndyCar races got worse. First 2 aeros were a lot better for the race. They had some ground effect before, but they increased it after the first 2.
I mean the same confusion happened during ground effects 1st era, Lotus Champions in '78, hopeless in '79, Ferrari champions in '79, hopeless in 1980! Only Williams & Brabham had some consistency.
Only things that have changed are the regulations, teams have always had high downforce specs, low downforce specs and something in between. Biggest difference now is no in season testing to correlate wind tunnel results it has to be done before the race. Now with limits on spending, wind tunnel and computerised fluid dynamics testing is it any wonder so many "upgrades" fail when used in a real world scenario as computers/wind tunnels can only work in set parameters and not in "chaos" aka the real world
Simplistically, the only two teams with pull-rod front and push-rod rear are at the top of the table. Interesting that Rob Marshal, now at McLaren, was at Red Bull when they introduced pull-rod for the new regulations.
The funny thing is, McLaren just seem to get stronger! Maybe they saw something when they did that 'reset' at the beginning of last year? What's the difference? Is Rob Marshall the key?
I'm really shocked these aero teams haven't realized the rather simple solution to porpoising adding escapes for the air when the downforce/suspension travel bottoms out. Right now they lose all the downforce from the vacuum when the car bounces up off the ground, to keep this from happening you need small travel gaps higher into the floor for the vacuum to maintain in. The main issue causing the bouncing repeatedly is that complete loss of under car vacuum from hitting the ground, but for some reason they are only trying to solve never bottoming out rather than mitigating the impact once it does. Hill climb cars figured this out 30 years ago.
@@juliantucker354 It doesn't really, these are just minor slits up into the floor and normally a few that fan out sideways between the wheels to provide stability when it happens, otherwise they just work like the rest of the tunnels do
I like the regulations. The confusion of the teams and the unpredictability of the cars makes it fun again. If it were up to me then we would keep the regs for way longer.
Bring back old car's, it won't be long before WEC becomes the pinnacle of Motorsports, there is a reason ground effect was banned and also the biggest reason is that tyre supplier monopoly, like teams have had 1-2 or two sets in a weekend who's construction was different to the rest of the compounds which is insane. Remove the monopoly have Michellen and goodwood or Yokahata
"there is a reason ground effect was banned" Yeah, that reason was for safety lol. They reintroduced it partially because today's cars are safe enough that it's not an issue.
@@probablynotianpersonalities sell, imagine the NBA without Jordan or Lebron, big names and their personalities are important for a sport to peak, WDC has none.
@@ChuyR. minus all of the former F1 drivers and the various Hollywood stars that have come through. Patrick Dempsey couldn’t bring a big audience to the Le Mans 24h. It really is an issue with the races being 6+ hours. Folks just don’t want to sit down and watch it.
@@probablynotianRaces simply take too long and there's plenty of other stuff to grab our attention outside motorsports, that's why the series will never be that popular outside its diehard fanbase.
FIA should bring back complicated suspension systems for the teams to have better platform control. I'm sick of having teams bring upgrades only for them to not work
Because going with "ground effect" cars was, is, and will always be the wrong option. It's worse for the drivers because the car can be all over the place and one faulty part can make the whole car uncontrollable. It's worse for the teams because it is insanely challenging to understand and develop an "ground effect" car without allowing them to run their cars as much as possible on physical tracks. The cars should've been driven by the PU, but we want terrible nerfed overweight V6 hybrid PUs, and because those suck they need to rely on "aero". The worst part is that these overweight PUs are also massive, so the cars are also massive. This is why I think Formula-E is having some pretty dope races. Their cars are very nimble and they keep improving their battery technology. So they are steadily closing in on F1 speeds.
Since the ladder series video wasn't posted here here's how you fix F2. Ten teams, one driver each. They have 100% budget from an F1 team with a cost cap. Only the ten best drivers and they are limited to one season. The ultimate sink or swin and the detrius of the not top ten don't get a chance. Closer fields, only one car to collect data from. If they really want to make it a driver's series the data can only be reviewed after the race. From the first session on there's no Telemetry at all set ups can only be generated from driver feedback
Maybe the drivers and the technical personnel are hating these fluctuations and the lack of understanding, but as fan we should love this unpredictability!
@@alexpeak16Saftey is King... and if you want them fast they need to be big to have the surfaces to gain the speed... F1 only got bigger because it added speed... the weight for added saftey. If you want to see cars 10 seconds slower and a few more fatalities then smaller lighter cars will be great. In the real world the sport wants to be the fastest and doesn't want to deal with explaining why people are Dying for your entertainment(they have done more than enough of that) The next ruleset makes the cars are going to be significantly slower(due to a smaller size for less areo space.... be cause people keep begging for smaller cars) they dropped the only part of an F1 PU that was actually unique and made it special... the MGU-H. Which is the one part that gave it the incredible efficiency the world needs from an I.C.E and moved to tech that is only Useful to Electric cars, while just wasting all that heat.
I am just curious like in which season in history of formula 1 the engineering and technology peaked in F1 cars given the regulations and there was not a single point of improvement left in the car for that period
Redbull have been caught, wild that be counted as a success of these regulations? Or was them getting that clear in the first place a failure of the regs? Or both?
Red Bull had the advantage of a better understanding of ground effect right from the word go (via Adrian Newey). However, there was a flaw in the car's design that really only started to rear its head when the competition started catching up, and they weren't enjoying such a massive performance gap to the rest of the field. Subsequent updates to try and add more performance to the car, have basically turned it into the Red Bull equivalent of the 2022 Ferrari, with a very narrow set-up window, and a car that is very skittish over bumps and kerbs.
They where suddenly caught after China. Nobody believes the others just gained 0.5-1 sec from one race to the other. Redbull had some kind of illegal device on their car that was removed after China.
It is funny to choose Red Bull car as the main image of the video, they are only facing a hard time now, but until the first part of the season, they're the only team winning everyhting!
The fact there’s only 6 races left in the season is crazy but the fact McLaren CHEATED to get ahead is even crazier.. them picking LANDO over OSCAR is the craziest tho. Hope Oscar gets out of McLaren as soon as possible.
Not sure why there hasn't been more discussion in the media as to why fans have another month off in F1. We have just returned the from summer break, yet we have to wait weeks again before the next race, this is not good for the sport.
ikr. it's intentional skewing of data, to hinder them, not helping at all. complicates things, maybe like airflow over mini tyres compared to known real data isn't a 1:1 scale up like the body would be. FIA is all about suppressing any single clever team's innovation.
This is why Newey is a good. He not only completely understands how mechanical grip interacts with aero, he designs his own suspensions. He sees the whole.
Redbull never understand their car, only Adrian Newey understand that beast. Since he left, no one had a clue how to unleash the beast again. They accidentally tamed
@@barrymitchell1488 Valteri consistently finishes a whole minute behind Hamilton in the best car and Hamilton isn't exactly fast. The only reason Valteri has a drive is his cringe attempts to look cool
1:27 Having some level of compliance is pretty crucial in road racing unless you want your car to be unstable over bumps. This is especially true for F1 in the street circuit era, 'cause unless you're VERY careful, that super-stiff car could become a nightmare to handle. Also, teams are already kinda doing this, as the suspension setups of these ground effect cars are so stiff they almost might as well be running on bump stops. There's a balance to be struck between having something stiff enough to run super low without striking the earth and having the compliance to deal with curb strikes and bumps - again, important stuff for a street circuit. Important enough that, according to The Race, compliant suspension that can deal with bumps and curbs is what's been keeping Ferrari in the fight.
Limiting CFD is just plain dumb, it's essentially free R&D... I have mixed feelings about the cost can but understand their purpose. I just wish they'd bring back screaming engines. I don't care if it's a hybrid or not, just miss the noise!
What if we took away FP3 (and maybe FP2) but let teams have a portion of that total lost time back (pro-rated by last year's championship standing like wind tunnel time) in public testing sessions throughout the year? Sprint weekends make for more surprising races because of the lack of free practice time to work out every last variable, and having the opportunity to test new ideas outside of a race weekend might allow slower teams to take a punt on more radical ideas with a better chance of shaking up the order.
I think performance tire engineers are now being a big joke both in F1 and MotoGP, Plus more aero that can't cope up with natural physics laws. Alot of research should be put into this two this
Not to be pedantic but it take probably 200 to build the car... the rest design, move and organise everything around the car. More like 1500 people are involved in the process of building the car, you have to remember the cantine staff, loaders, secretaries,warehouse staff, people who get given a model to run through CFD for data and so many other jobs not involved in actually building the car are part of that number.
The floor geometry is designed so to speed the air up, using underbody tunnels. That makes the pressure underneath the car lower than the pressure exerted on its top side Tried to simplify it as much as I could
If a team has 1000 employees, and only 2 are "sports persons"/ Athletes. is it a sport or an engineering showcase? not that it really matters, Ill still watch it religiously
The redbull chart is the elephant in the room. The producers of this video act as if it is not there and develope their own thesis. Cant respect this channel for this effort
You would think teams didn't have completely different setups/parts for different style tracks years ago the way they spoke at the start of the video. But it's been the same struggle for teams for decades it was just easier before in season testing and spending limit
@@HootMaRoot ah fair point! More than 2 aswell! I thought you was calling this season slow overall!! Probably the most unpredictable since the pre hybrid era.
One of the most ridiculous things in F1 is having thousands of people and of hundreds of millions of $£ invested just to depend on a single tyre supplier which is constantly “meh” at best
Honestly I wouldn’t mind a spec tire series if it was a good tire manufacturer like Bridgestone or Michelin but Pirelli produces tires that are not good for the sport
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1But Pirelli was chosen because they were willing to make tires out of papier-mâché for “The Show”. Michelin wasn’t willing to play ball.
Michelin isn't some god send either, MotoGP is having a lot of issues with them too. Making tyres for downforce monstrosities while keeping it race friendly is a daunting task for any manufacturer. I don't know why people want tyre wars back.
@@mrgalaxy396 you’re right about Michelin. But people want tyres war because the same thing applies to engines, aero, drivers, and pretty much everything except tyres and fuel. This seems to be extra relevant in 2026 that appears to be shaping into a Formula Engine so tyres should be more relevant than today
Current F1 Cars and Having a Wife: Ever-changing rules, they get bigger and heavier every year, they get most of the credit, they are often draggy, and they are very difficult upgrade.
Little or no input from the driver on the track. Wind tunnel design with people that are not driving the car. Too many simulations, that don’t work. Get the driver on the track giving feedback , Senna and Schumacher style.
These detailed technical analyses are what make this channel different from other channels. We need more
Chainbear was great but he went underground
@@gthakur17Yeah, his videos were alright but I learned he spent a lot of time arguing about politics on Twitter so I wouldn't be surprised if he got riled up by politics and it affected his mental health.
@@gthakur17 didn't he join some other channel?
@@HootMaRoot i dont know. Did he? I really liked his animation
@@98MTBiker lmaoo damn. another one bites the dust
Few sticky uppy bits here , few bendy wingy thingies there .. and there you have it...an f1 car
Ew
@@Loudebosswhat. Hes correct
@@Loudeboss Wut.
Sticky uppy bits is probably my favourite F1 pundit-ism
The 10th doctor's way
I don't know why technical personalities in F1( apart from Newey) are less celebrated than the drivers. These machines are nothing short of engineering marvels.
Celebrating the collective ingenuity of the people that actually build racing cars tends to entail _not_ constantly putting the brakes on their ability to differentiate themselves from the field. Motor racing as a whole has pushed the driver-centric angle hard, because that way it's easier to justify increasingly restrictive rulesets, performance balancing, and spec parts. If the cars (and thus, their performance) aren't as varied and far apart, "the drivers can make the difference". That's my conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's also more likely down to the fact that, as opposed to racing drivers (whose faces we see in the paddock and on the podium all the time and thus recognize), technical heads aren't constantly in front of the camera. It's very easy, even as a diehard, to let it slip the mind that these people even exist, and part of the reason Newey is a relative exception is because the dude has a long history of also working on the pit wall.
Doesn't help that, as opposed to drivers so conventionally attractive they end up on the cover of Vogue, Newey kinda looks like a math teacher. He's not even a wise old man with an 8-foot beard, he just looks like some guy. Relatable, but not an attention-grabbing guy by any means.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859
"Newey just looks like a guy"
You're so right 😅
Because engineers are nerds, and drivers tend to be sociopaths
@@phukfone8428 Not really got anything to do with that. People just don't care about the team behind the car quite as much as the "superstar" that gets all the TV time and is "doing the work" on track.
It's just basic human nature. The parasocial appeal of the drivers brings a significant amount of attention to the sport. Basically hijacks the same parts of the brain that allow celebrities and influencers to exist.
Also add to that potency, a team is made of hundreds of people so the attention is diluted amongst so many faces, most them we know absolutely nothing about.
When you focus on one or two drivers per team you get to learn their personality, understand the stakes at hand for said driver and ultimately relate to them as human beings (think of leclercs misfortunes) this relates to the first point above
So in the end we have a situation where the lions share of attention (and often money) is going towards the drivers which in my opinion play a comparatively small part in making the sport possible, but that's just it, human nature
I wonder if Sauber knows about this downforce stuff
😂
They didn't know how to make good pitstop equipment. So why would they understand something harder?
No, they focus on up-force
Dude, you're being way too harsh on Sauber. How can you excpect them to understand downforce when all their resources this year have gone into figuring out how to make a pit stop in less than 30 seconds 😂
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These new rules aren't even about downforce anymore, teams are realising its now more about mechanical setups, it is thought this is why the Mclaren is so fast and so consistent because it has a mechanical setup with the suspension & aerodynamics that it works so great it's consistent everywhere
I think you just need a good base to work from, teams like redbull are fast but there cars is extremely peaky, very easy to go out the working range for there car compared to McLaren who’s only changed their floor once all season so far and seem to have really good balance which make them fast at every circuit even if they may not be the fastest
RedBull also had that locked down.
In my opinion having a more modern wind tunnel is a greater reason for their dominance this year, every upgrade has been an improvement unlike the other teams
I think this is one of the best Formula 1 videos I've seen, really nice discussion
This is why I'm not stoked at all for the upcoming regulation change. Not only has this reg era allowed more competitive and entertaining on track battles, but as you guys explained it poses a super unique challenge to these teams, and we're really seeing them have to struggle for every bit of performance. The teams are getting closer and week-in week-out we can't be sure of who will be on top and we're seeing the momentum shift from race to race or even session to session making each weekend more intriguing and exhilarating. Sure we had RB absolutely dominate, but everyone has caught up and unless they get on top of their issues several teams have a real chance of straight up usurping them in pace week to week. With each regulation change we usually see one team knock it put the park, and right as competition heats up more than ever it seems we're bound for that to happen again.
I would love to see another year or two of these regs honestly, this season is the best season we've had since 2023 and I feel like next year we have the real possibility of a 2012 like season which was one of the best in modern history, imo. Another thing I've appreciated about our current regs is how teams like Mclaren went from quite literally being the slowest car just 18 months ago to now being the class of the field. I can't recall something like that ever happening in F1 history, others teams fortunes have risin and fallen dramatically as well and who knows what's to come. Seems like you can claw back ground or lose it in unprecedented time. With a shake-up we have no guarantee that another team will close the gap just look at 2014-which was another regulation change more akin to the upcoming 2026 ones being PU focused-Merc pulled absolutely dominated that entire era from 2014-2016. It took until the new 2017 regs to even get a team within striking distance and even then until 2021 until we had a proper season-long championship battle for the championships.
It's great! It means closer racing.
If teams like Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari etc have trouble understanding how to make their cars faster, and only specialise at certain circuits, we get less chances of a single team dominating.
Yes and DRS overtakes. Good luck with that.
Another 12 yo. Your opinion doesn't matter Sen.
@@ABlockBeats verse me in fortnite then ABlockBeats you skibidy toilet
@@ABlockBeatsand yours does?
Kinda true... we have just experienced the most dominant f1 season Ever(debateable but 100% as much as the mp4 4)
Flexible front wings, and floors open up a whole new can o' worms. WORMS! The more load you make with the front wing the faster the floor kicks into action. As you said though, if the wings don't flex the car becomes undrivable at high speeds. A nicely balanced car keeps the tires happy.
Excellent post, thank you for a good technical explanation of the difficulties facing the teams, it’s certainly making for some interesting races.
Because 'active aero' isn't implemented with the current generations of F1, which is why the genius of Adrian Newey's design shined through because his worked brilliantly at the start while others didn't get to figuring out what's best till in the later months to even the next couple of seasons'.
The solution to make underfloor aero work correctly is by having active suspension. This will allow to keep the car low at lower speed corners while allowing the suspension to response to stalling at high speed.
One of the reasons that Mclaren has the best car is that works teams can't upgrade their PUs, so aerodynamics and platform control are the only things that can developed
Another great rule the FIA added... to the point that not Alpine have decided it's not worth the work.... while red bull went the otherway. It probably really sink or swim for RBPT, they complained against Renault having and Allowance to catch up because they missed and now they are coming in as a new Supplier. If they miss the mark it's really gonna hurt.
Doesn’t matter the FIA have mandated PU manufacturers must supply all teams with the same PU spec
Being a works team only helps in terms of packaging now
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1isnt haas using a one year old engine
What do you think McLaren have upgraded on their PU? Don’t you think it would be a bit weird that McLaren would be able to make better improvements than the manufacturer? Which rule states that only independent teams can modify their PUs and works teams specifically can’t? The Works teams will always have an advantage as the engine is designed specifically for their car, this includes calculations for the centre of gravity and the general location within the chassis and mounting points for other parts on the car. The Mercedes car design is just not as good as the McLaren, largely down to the original failed zero side pod design that has screwed them this rule set and it is very difficult playing catch up with limited resources.
@@leoarevalo6786 HAAS made that decision to do so not Ferrari as it’s cheaper
If HAAS wanted the 2024 engine spec it would have to be identical to Ferrari and Sauber
we need more videos like this!
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Surely this video should be titled "Why the Ground Effect Regs are Working", because the entire point of them was to reduce the development gap, make for closer racing and create a set of regs that means every tenth literally matters. The fact we can go into any weekend at the moment and not be able to confidently predict the pecking order is a really, really good thing for the sport.
Plus none of the teams are actually comfortably at the peak performance yet; giving each team headaches trying to find that tenth of two every race.
You guys are truly amazing! Thank you for such interesting content. It's awesome to get home from work and enjoy some fun time learning from you.
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I can see some mental futuristic wind tunnel designs coming out of this whole experience!
good technical analysis of teams strengths and weaknesses.
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First thing is that FIA dont understand the rules that they create. Second they dont execute the rules. Third lack of consequence.
Edit: lack of consistency.
They do understand them but the teams have armies trying to exploit them.
They do execute the rules... even to the point people think they are being heavy handed...
On the no consequences point i can agree... but they are the governing body of (nearly all) motor sport worldwide... people seem to think all the fia do is f1. They are running 100s of racing series. They have just been made part of the show in f1. The FIA doesnt need consequences realistically any racer knows you turn up to race under the rules and the FIA is the only reason those are the same worldwide.
What consequences do you believe they should face?
Genuinely what consequences do you believe they should face?? And what did they do wrong to earn them?
@@RhysWilliams-u3o My mistake: not consequence but consistence. They ban one thing, which is deemed illegal, fail to address another suspicious thing, and dont delete points for illegal technologies.
@@kkrsnn5632 well I agree with that but they are fighting against teams trying to fool them... I can also understand that they can only test so much during Parc ferme.
We also don't see the hours of meetings during the week that go on that give explanations to the things we think are "Illegal". as the saying goes "its not about what written in f1 it's all about what's not"
Flexibility of the front wing is important even tho it wasn’t allowed until halfway through this season by a specific team
those 2020 cars were so damn fast !! such a shame they raced behind the closed doors and ferrari fumbled but still fast cars.
Seeing thoses pre-2021 cars makes me miss them, they looked so good compared to ground effect cars.
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Well, it is and remains the old problem of the 'window' in which a car can fully exploit its potential. With only three or four components, it is (almost) easy to find the 'operation window'. But now there are over 30 (or more) components to consider AND... the combination of the 'best' individual components does not always create a drivable car.
FI needs to do what WEC has done, Stop telling them what exactly they can do and just give them performance limits. As long as they are under XX downforce and XX HP while bing with in safety requirements. it will reduce the cos t of developing the cars and make the races much more competitive.
There has been talk that those hypercar rules are also an experiment for other classes like perhaps Formula One. I don't know if it'll ever happen, but it would make for far more interesting competitions
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I was a huge supporter of the new regs when they came in but am now happy to see them go in 2026. They seem to not work on many fronts, especially given drivers now suggest following is getting worse again. I'd blame them on the loss of DR but DR struggled in the old regs, too. Perhaps what we're seeing is fine margins being chased for tiny gains to the detriment of driveability. I miss the old cars and especially the old understandable trajectory of a team's work.
2026 isn't looking great either. 50/50 hybrids with effectively the ICE working as a generator for the electric part of the power train just to keep up speeds on straights. Active aero front wings so instead of moving away from DRS we're doubling down just again so the cars could actually keep up speeds on the straight. I don't want to be overly pessimistic before we've even hit the track, but I do have my doubts.
Because ground effect cars suck. I've been following racing for a long time and I never saw a racing series improving its racing when using them. Finding balance is impossible. Previous cars were more agile, could be thrown anywhere in the track and they worked, it was easy to find balance. Dirt air was an issue but that's why DRS is there after all. Current cars behave like they must stick to a specific line, they are restrictive. That makes it hard for teams to understand them.
Since the goal was to improve racing, F1 needs a reverse DRS (aka hanford device, or DIS if you prefer). Activates on every lap, every straight, no need to be within distance of anyone. Auto disable on corners to make the wings efficient again. And go back to a wing focused aero.
Or let teams use active suspension and a fan to generate controllable downforce.
They would be fine if the FIA didn't mandate simplified suspension and actually policed the overboard outwash devices. The racing in 2022 was very nice.
yeah, people in 2019 were praying for unlocking ground effect, but when mercedes sucka at it, then ground effect is "bad"
@@megumin3336 Fortunately I don't cheer for any team or driver. As I said, never seen any racing get better with ground effect.
Even IndyCar races got worse. First 2 aeros were a lot better for the race. They had some ground effect before, but they increased it after the first 2.
I mean the same confusion happened during ground effects 1st era, Lotus Champions in '78, hopeless in '79, Ferrari champions in '79, hopeless in 1980! Only Williams & Brabham had some consistency.
Only things that have changed are the regulations, teams have always had high downforce specs, low downforce specs and something in between. Biggest difference now is no in season testing to correlate wind tunnel results it has to be done before the race. Now with limits on spending, wind tunnel and computerised fluid dynamics testing is it any wonder so many "upgrades" fail when used in a real world scenario as computers/wind tunnels can only work in set parameters and not in "chaos" aka the real world
Simplistically, the only two teams with pull-rod front and push-rod rear are at the top of the table. Interesting that Rob Marshal, now at McLaren, was at Red Bull when they introduced pull-rod for the new regulations.
Not enough testing these are prototypes they need to be tested regularly
The funny thing is, McLaren just seem to get stronger! Maybe they saw something when they did that 'reset' at the beginning of last year? What's the difference? Is Rob Marshall the key?
“Ayy, [driver name here], the car’s ready to roll!”
“Cool, now how does it work?”
I'm really shocked these aero teams haven't realized the rather simple solution to porpoising adding escapes for the air when the downforce/suspension travel bottoms out. Right now they lose all the downforce from the vacuum when the car bounces up off the ground, to keep this from happening you need small travel gaps higher into the floor for the vacuum to maintain in. The main issue causing the bouncing repeatedly is that complete loss of under car vacuum from hitting the ground, but for some reason they are only trying to solve never bottoming out rather than mitigating the impact once it does. Hill climb cars figured this out 30 years ago.
Is it because that causes to much drag?
@@juliantucker354 It doesn't really, these are just minor slits up into the floor and normally a few that fan out sideways between the wheels to provide stability when it happens, otherwise they just work like the rest of the tunnels do
I like the regulations.
The confusion of the teams and the unpredictability of the cars makes it fun again.
If it were up to me then we would keep the regs for way longer.
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Love the graphs
Bring back old car's, it won't be long before WEC becomes the pinnacle of Motorsports, there is a reason ground effect was banned and also the biggest reason is that tyre supplier monopoly, like teams have had 1-2 or two sets in a weekend who's construction was different to the rest of the compounds which is insane. Remove the monopoly have Michellen and goodwood or Yokahata
I feel like WEC has been the pinnacle, but people don’t have the attention span for it. Especially the “drive to survive” generation.
"there is a reason ground effect was banned"
Yeah, that reason was for safety lol. They reintroduced it partially because today's cars are safe enough that it's not an issue.
@@probablynotianpersonalities sell, imagine the NBA without Jordan or Lebron, big names and their personalities are important for a sport to peak, WDC has none.
@@ChuyR. minus all of the former F1 drivers and the various Hollywood stars that have come through. Patrick Dempsey couldn’t bring a big audience to the Le Mans 24h.
It really is an issue with the races being 6+ hours. Folks just don’t want to sit down and watch it.
@@probablynotianRaces simply take too long and there's plenty of other stuff to grab our attention outside motorsports, that's why the series will never be that popular outside its diehard fanbase.
Serious question. Who writes & interprets all this technical details? Gary Anderson? Or is Ed Straw actually a genius 🤔
A mixture
Edd Straw ;)
im hoping that the 26 regs can make the cars a bit more simple to develop. it'd probably lead to closer gaps between the teams.
Shame we've only got this season and one more for these regs
They ought to just allow floating side skirts so teams can raise their ride height and still get good ground effect.
It’s the same approach as just letting all MLB players use steroids so we can see just how far a human can hit a ball.
Edd, please speak in "Sauber speed" lol. I have to listen to the podcasts at 88% speed.
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they dont even look at saubar's performance trend lol
FIA should bring back complicated suspension systems for the teams to have better platform control. I'm sick of having teams bring upgrades only for them to not work
Because going with "ground effect" cars was, is, and will always be the wrong option. It's worse for the drivers because the car can be all over the place and one faulty part can make the whole car uncontrollable. It's worse for the teams because it is insanely challenging to understand and develop an "ground effect" car without allowing them to run their cars as much as possible on physical tracks.
The cars should've been driven by the PU, but we want terrible nerfed overweight V6 hybrid PUs, and because those suck they need to rely on "aero". The worst part is that these overweight PUs are also massive, so the cars are also massive.
This is why I think Formula-E is having some pretty dope races. Their cars are very nimble and they keep improving their battery technology. So they are steadily closing in on F1 speeds.
Since the ladder series video wasn't posted here here's how you fix F2. Ten teams, one driver each. They have 100% budget from an F1 team with a cost cap. Only the ten best drivers and they are limited to one season. The ultimate sink or swin and the detrius of the not top ten don't get a chance. Closer fields, only one car to collect data from. If they really want to make it a driver's series the data can only be reviewed after the race. From the first session on there's no Telemetry at all set ups can only be generated from driver feedback
Car, so confusing
It's so confusing being a car, car, car, car, CAR
They need to work it out on the remix
Maybe the drivers and the technical personnel are hating these fluctuations and the lack of understanding, but as fan we should love this unpredictability!
One change would drastically change these regulations. Go back to 13 inch wheels.
Or take out at least 150kgs from the cars. Those 2026 rules are half-arsed and weak. 30kgs lighter is nowhere near enough.
Republican huh
Tbf they look cooler but that would be a huge change for the whole formula. More influential than changing the PU
@@alexpeak16Saftey is King... and if you want them fast they need to be big to have the surfaces to gain the speed... F1 only got bigger because it added speed... the weight for added saftey.
If you want to see cars 10 seconds slower and a few more fatalities then smaller lighter cars will be great. In the real world the sport wants to be the fastest and doesn't want to deal with explaining why people are Dying for your entertainment(they have done more than enough of that)
The next ruleset makes the cars are going to be significantly slower(due to a smaller size for less areo space.... be cause people keep begging for smaller cars) they dropped the only part of an F1 PU that was actually unique and made it special... the MGU-H. Which is the one part that gave it the incredible efficiency the world needs from an I.C.E and moved to tech that is only Useful to Electric cars, while just wasting all that heat.
@@FreshlyFried WTF had this got to do with that??
FIA just make rules to slow the cars down somehow and cut the spending. But not what actually lets them race well
Yet someone decided we need new rules AGAIN in 26
Looking forward to the new regs.
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I am just curious like in which season in history of formula 1 the engineering and technology peaked in F1 cars given the regulations and there was not a single point of improvement left in the car for that period
I think it’s more the tires they don’t understand and by that i mean the disparity between sets.
Redbull have been caught, wild that be counted as a success of these regulations? Or was them getting that clear in the first place a failure of the regs? Or both?
Red Bull had the advantage of a better understanding of ground effect right from the word go (via Adrian Newey). However, there was a flaw in the car's design that really only started to rear its head when the competition started catching up, and they weren't enjoying such a massive performance gap to the rest of the field. Subsequent updates to try and add more performance to the car, have basically turned it into the Red Bull equivalent of the 2022 Ferrari, with a very narrow set-up window, and a car that is very skittish over bumps and kerbs.
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They where suddenly caught after China. Nobody believes the others just gained 0.5-1 sec from one race to the other. Redbull had some kind of illegal device on their car that was removed after China.
Why is wind tunnel testing so crucial and how does FIA regulate this?
It is funny to choose Red Bull car as the main image of the video, they are only facing a hard time now, but until the first part of the season, they're the only team winning everyhting!
Watching back that high rake f1 car make feel awkward. 😂😂
changed the thumbnail ??
The fact there’s only 6 races left in the season is crazy but the fact McLaren CHEATED to get ahead is even crazier.. them picking LANDO over OSCAR is the craziest tho. Hope Oscar gets out of McLaren as soon as possible.
Not sure why there hasn't been more discussion in the media as to why fans have another month off in F1. We have just returned the from summer break, yet we have to wait weeks again before the next race, this is not good for the sport.
The FIA should allow teams to test the actual car in the wind tunnel not a scaled down version. It makes no sense that you can't test the full car.
ikr. it's intentional skewing of data, to hinder them, not helping at all. complicates things, maybe like airflow over mini tyres compared to known real data isn't a 1:1 scale up like the body would be. FIA is all about suppressing any single clever team's innovation.
Short answer: limited testing
What happened to Spa?
I’m convicted they decided to create this video to use the purposing animation one last time.
This is why Newey is a good. He not only completely understands how mechanical grip interacts with aero, he designs his own suspensions. He sees the whole.
Redbull never understand their car, only Adrian Newey understand that beast. Since he left, no one had a clue how to unleash the beast again. They accidentally tamed
It’s cool to see my question from a few weeks back became a whole video topic!
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It feels like Alfa Romeo/Sauber didn't understand new regulation since 2022...
They do, they just have the worst drivers on the grid
@@therealquaid1694 I understand if you say about Zhou. But Valteri..
@@barrymitchell1488 Valteri consistently finishes a whole minute behind Hamilton in the best car and Hamilton isn't exactly fast.
The only reason Valteri has a drive is his cringe attempts to look cool
I don't get why the teams don't just use bump stops to avoid having the car's floor hitting the pavement and avoid proposing that way
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Having some level of compliance is pretty crucial in road racing unless you want your car to be unstable over bumps. This is especially true for F1 in the street circuit era, 'cause unless you're VERY careful, that super-stiff car could become a nightmare to handle.
Also, teams are already kinda doing this, as the suspension setups of these ground effect cars are so stiff they almost might as well be running on bump stops. There's a balance to be struck between having something stiff enough to run super low without striking the earth and having the compliance to deal with curb strikes and bumps - again, important stuff for a street circuit. Important enough that, according to The Race, compliant suspension that can deal with bumps and curbs is what's been keeping Ferrari in the fight.
Limiting CFD is just plain dumb, it's essentially free R&D... I have mixed feelings about the cost can but understand their purpose. I just wish they'd bring back screaming engines. I don't care if it's a hybrid or not, just miss the noise!
They don't have Adrian Newey 😂😂
If all the cars are faster at "90%" that is why the field is so close and team drivers so close.
isn’t this what fans want? competition
What if we took away FP3 (and maybe FP2) but let teams have a portion of that total lost time back (pro-rated by last year's championship standing like wind tunnel time) in public testing sessions throughout the year? Sprint weekends make for more surprising races because of the lack of free practice time to work out every last variable, and having the opportunity to test new ideas outside of a race weekend might allow slower teams to take a punt on more radical ideas with a better chance of shaking up the order.
am i the only one that thinks this is a good thing? this season has been amazing.
I think performance tire engineers are now being a big joke both in F1 and MotoGP,
Plus more aero that can't cope up with natural physics laws.
Alot of research should be put into this two this
Bro didn’t even show the graph for kick sauber 8:04
Too many chefs in the kitchen. It takes 1500 people to build one car.
Not to be pedantic but it take probably 200 to build the car... the rest design, move and organise everything around the car.
More like 1500 people are involved in the process of building the car, you have to remember the cantine staff, loaders, secretaries,warehouse staff, people who get given a model to run through CFD for data and so many other jobs not involved in actually building the car are part of that number.
Im gonna be honest, I still dont know how these cars use ground effects to make downforce and at this point Im too scared to ask.
The floor geometry is designed so to speed the air up, using underbody tunnels.
That makes the pressure underneath the car lower than the pressure exerted on its top side
Tried to simplify it as much as I could
Lance Stroll def doesn't understand his car
Great video wow well explained ❤
Kinda wishing those J dampers didn't get banned for the popoising
“Developing a formula 1 car is easy” said no ever
They're all afraid to take risks nowadays. Goes more wrong than right most of the times tbf.
Give teams active suspension!
MORE DOWNFORCE MORE GOOD
If a team has 1000 employees, and only 2 are "sports persons"/ Athletes. is it a sport or an engineering showcase?
not that it really matters, Ill still watch it religiously
Why so many F1 teams doesn’t hire you*
The redbull chart is the elephant in the room. The producers of this video act as if it is not there and develope their own thesis. Cant respect this channel for this effort
Slow season again, let's put out videos of things we knew already!
You would think teams didn't have completely different setups/parts for different style tracks years ago the way they spoke at the start of the video. But it's been the same struggle for teams for decades it was just easier before in season testing and spending limit
Slow season? When did you turn off? 5 races in or something.
@@RhysWilliams-u3o 2 weeks between races is slow season for news outlets
@@HootMaRoot ah fair point! More than 2 aswell! I thought you was calling this season slow overall!! Probably the most unpredictable since the pre hybrid era.
One of the most ridiculous things in F1 is having thousands of people and of hundreds of millions of $£ invested just to depend on a single tyre supplier which is constantly “meh” at best
Honestly I wouldn’t mind a spec tire series if it was a good tire manufacturer like Bridgestone or Michelin but Pirelli produces tires that are not good for the sport
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1But Pirelli was chosen because they were willing to make tires out of papier-mâché for “The Show”. Michelin wasn’t willing to play ball.
@@SanchezS1998i don’t think Bridgestone was either. Making tyres that purposefully degrade isn’t beneficial to any tyre manufacturer tbh.
Michelin isn't some god send either, MotoGP is having a lot of issues with them too. Making tyres for downforce monstrosities while keeping it race friendly is a daunting task for any manufacturer. I don't know why people want tyre wars back.
@@mrgalaxy396 you’re right about Michelin. But people want tyres war because the same thing applies to engines, aero, drivers, and pretty much everything except tyres and fuel. This seems to be extra relevant in 2026 that appears to be shaping into a Formula Engine so tyres should be more relevant than today
Current F1 Cars and Having a Wife:
Ever-changing rules, they get bigger and heavier every year, they get most of the credit, they are often draggy, and they are very difficult upgrade.
Never blame either!
I will never understand why people marry who they hate
Just waffle folks, don't bother
Maybe Adrian Newy engineered a flaw into current Red Bull hahaha.
Little or no input from the driver on the track.
Wind tunnel design with people that are not driving the car.
Too many simulations, that don’t work.
Get the driver on the track giving feedback , Senna and Schumacher style.
Team principle my crack speaking about his wind tunnel ? What ?
I personally feel that F1 should have a test week midway through the season to allow teams to actually test upgraded parts.
why
They will steal their ideas from each other, easy as that
I mean. RBR is coming with a new floor. This video is gonna probably age like fine vinegar.
SKill issue