What can you expect from a team that keeps a terribly underperforming driver for years because his father is the owner? If such an obvious case of nepotism exists in the most visible part of the team I don't even want to imagine what kind of mess must exist in other departments.
That shit doesn't matter at this point. What's concerning is how bad their in season development is. I could hardly care about Lance, all I want is Fernando to have a car that can fight for podiums and wins again. Even if Newey makes a rocketship, it won't matter if Aston can't develop properly. It's similar to how Max couldn't care less about the Checo rumours, and was more focused on the team making a better car
@@stevenjoseph6048it does matter. It's a psychological thing and influences the psychology of people in a nuanced but real way. His lack of talent also means they probably get terrible feedback and need to build an extremely compliant car that is slow, rather than a car on the edge that only a top driver (like Fernando) can handle.
Lance was at the team when it rocketed from P7 in 2022 to second best car in 2023. The only reason they’re struggling is because they lost Vettel. Aston Martin would be in McLarens position right now if Vettel was their lead driver giving the team good feedback.
nonetheless, they are still slow... both the drivers were not able to perform because the car terrible. you can say stroll is a terrible driver, true, but when given a great car, there is some resemblance of speed, even if he mucks it up
Keep the window-licker in the second car and drive out real talent. Lance keeps acting like a terrible rookie, so how can you take this squad seriously?
Even RBR can't achieve their potential with only one good driver. And RBR's underperformer is nowhere near as bad as what AMR is dealing with in their second car. He can't drive, he doesn't even seem to want to be there.
This pretty much sums it up. The student learned a thing or two from the teacher and thought he was above and beyond. If I was Newey I’d keep Dan just to make him my personal whipping boy.
@@y_fam_goeglydAdrian isn't what is going to win them championships it's Andy Cowell who has succeeded in V6,V8 and V10 era by producing the best engines in each era. Let's not forget Red bull tried to get him by offering him a contract worth more than Horner's salary and he declined
Any time Stroll F1 has made gains it has been from imitating other teams. The pink Mercedes was great but they couldn’t develop it when they had to use it for a second season. They’ve then copied the Red Bull side pods at the start of 2023 and it was a great step forward for them, but then all the other teams have moved to this concept and been able to develop this and again Stroll F1 has been left behind. This coupled with the fact that one driver has to be coached through the most basic tasks while driving means they cannot get valuable feedback on their development. With Alonso being such a high quality driver he’ll be able to extract the absolute maximum from a car, which others and his woeful team mate cannot, masking some of the flaws
well, as bad a driver as he is, i can argue that if it wasnt for Lance (and the unfathomable amounts of patience his dad has), the team would be in an even worse place (engineering wise).
i cannot begin to explain to you how annoying that sentence was to write, I WAS BORN IN THE SAME CITY AS DRUGOVICH, and it kills me to see Lance in the car while Felipe sucks his thumb.
When Alonso leaves Dan Fallows will start being a genius magically. Problem is with their lead driver who can’t give proper feedback, not the engineers who’ve had decades of success.
@@paperplane-db8qf questionable... it would be like saying verstappen is responsible for red bull's mid season performance slump and hamilton is responsible for the underwhelming ground effect mercedes cars. or hamilton is some sort of magician because he managed to give "proper feedback" so that the tragic 2009 mclaren could somehow turn it's head and suddenly become competitive. go ahead and define "proper feedback". what's good and bad feedback? this is modern f1 and there are hundreds of team members, development drivers that all play a part in developing upgrades for a car and what is alonso doing in particular that somehow shifts all the blame to himself?
@@paperplane-db8qf I think people keep overlooking this. There is a pattern to his cars keep getting slower over time. He won his first race in a Ferrari. Then kinda drifted. Reason his first stint at Renault was so good was because he was younger and wasn’t trying to be smart. The guy is an amazing driving talent, but his strategy should be to shut up and drive. It will be interesting with Newey there how this will look. He probably has an influence bigger than most. I wouldn’t put it past Max to be similar to Alonso driving shitboxes designed according to his feedback very well.
@ with Mercedes and Redbull they have other factors that are hampering them. But Redbull is fast because they designed a car around Max and not Perez. Yes engineers matter more, but engineers only know what to do by the data and feedback they get. If a driver says the car needs oversteer or is unable to point out problems then the engineers cannot focus on improving areas of the car that need it. Adrian Newey himself said that the driver is the most important sensor in the car. You cannot say Michael Schumacher was completely irrelevant at Ferrari creating a better car. The exact same team with two different drivers will create better or worse cars. Teams wouldn’t waste millions of dollars testing 1000 laps if driver feedback was useless.
@@no1washerezz I think proper feedback is just being minimal and driving what the engineers give you. I reckon every driver that peaks early falls into the trap thinking they are an engineer and probably are too specific. Time will tell with Max, he is pretty agressive in races about strategy, but he seems more focused to racing sims outside the cockpit, so let’s see his post Newey career. JV, Vettel, Alonso I think are that. Lewis trusted his designers and focused on fashion, Schumacher had access to unlimited miles of testing. I reckon it was the limited testing that hurt his comeback most.
@@f.kieranfinney457Firstly, Newey isn't the chief designer of RB20, it's Pierre Wache. Secondly, Red Bull was still winning when Newey left the team, so it's Newey's absence that is a probably a big reason for Red Bull's development struggles.
It's not always Lance's fault (sort of), even though he's still a bad driver. The main problem is bigger than Lance himself, it's Mike Krack and Tom McCullough because of their inability to understand aerodynamics and understanding from Alonso's criticism yet they kept glazing so hard about the car yet never delivered actual improvements unlike McLaren because they've managed to pull that off at Miami.
Is not Stroll fault if the staff does have low morale because of a certain Canadian driver? Heck... Even Newey will give up trying upgrade because of one certain Canadian all the development will go back and they will continue to repair the car and push the budget backwards as their development... If fallows leaves Stroll have part at his failure
Honestly as an Aston Fan all i want are Upgrades that work; I think demotion fits the bill for Fallows lack of knowledge about this concept of car the AMR23-24 onwards. I certainly dont think newey alones the magic bullet but i hope theres synergy with him and enrique Cardille when it comes to development of the car and concept. Anythings better than being moderately fast beginning of the season and tail spinning into oblivion.
You've nailed it. Hopefully in season development gets better because these last 2 seasons has been really bad. Ik the front wing got banned near the middle of the 23 season but since then they've never recovered. Fallows being demoted is hopefully the start of better things to come
What I think is that Fallows simply said "Look, I can't do anything because I only have useful feedback from a single driver. The other one is busy licking the window or beaching his car. Even if we get a rocketship, the team can't score points if one car only makes it to the end of the race." Then he got fired for speaking the truth.
I really do hope Newey can influence 2025 also by fixing the team's inability to do upgrades. The only time this team managed to upgrade their car is during the 2022 season (also the time when Fallows copied the red bull onto the B spec 22 car), otherwise it's always decline from launch spec.
The guy came from RedBull, took a bunch of drawings with him, the car was on the podium almost every weekend, And then he had to tune the car himself, and he just lost his mind,
Aston Martin is likely being hampered by the lack of quality feedback from half of it's driver lineup. Engineers have a hard time improving a car when the information they use to improve it is flawed.
If any team would forego whatever prize money for more wind tunnel time, it's Aston Martin At least that's the copium I'm huffing as I get set to become a full-fledged fan in 2026 (my loyalty's to Honda)
@@diegosottiStroll is not even on the top of the list rn for Aston. They need to pray their wind tunnel works and start bringing proper upgrades. They've been by far the worst team on the grid in terms of in season development.
The team is fine. They did a better job with Vettel without the fancy factory, huge signings and the wind tunnel. This happens at every team Alonso drives for.
@@justinburley8659 idk because according to the words of the mechanics that worked with Alonso which includes the current McLaren team principal, his feedback is one of the best
When Stroll sacked Omar and demanded a title contention in 5 years from a team with virtually no infrastructures, I knew the same formula that allowed Force India to be so successful in so little resources would not apply. I think Vettel knew it as well. After all, he experienced rock bottom with Ferrari
@@justinburley8659the guy has 2 good races in his entire 7 year career I don't know how the hell he still has fans that sugarcoat his horrendous performance
@@justinburley8659 Brah, Turkey he finished 9th. In 8 years his best finish is a 3rd (3x) 2017 Azerbaijan - 7 drivers DNF (including Kimi Räikkönen, Sergio Pérez, Felipe Massa, Max Verstappen, Nico Hülkenberg) 2020 Italian - 4 drivers DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc, Sebastian Vettel, Kevin Magnussen) 2020 Sakhir - 3 DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc) Everytime he got in the points major podium drivers like Max, Charles, Vettel or Kimi DNF'ed. He has never podiumed with key race winning drivers were all still racing. So never got a podium on merrit, just dumb luck.
@ He got that pole position on merit. He beat both Perez and Verstappen for it in very tricky conditions. He would’ve won Turkey if he didn’t pick up floor damage in the first stint. At one point in that stint he had over a 10 second lead! It’s possible for him to win a race, but yes, he would need a very competitive car…
What's also confusing is how 2022 played out for them. It was the exact opposite of 23 and 24 They started terrible, comfortably a back marker and 9th best. But they developed the car very well and by the end of the season were easily the 6th best teat, out developing Haas, Alfa Romeo and Alpha Tauri These last 2 years have been the opposite which is very confusing. How can a team go from starting poor and developing the car really well, to starting well and falling off a cliff with bad updates
The chopping and changing of floors is causing its own problems - most teams bring a floor upgrade, then find a balance with the frontal airflow and overall downforce, unless the floor development is entirely the wrong direction it should be possible to adjust other aspects to iron out any undesirable characteristics with a little patience
Driver 61 released a video on why Mercedes have had correlation issues with their wind tunnel for the last few years. It was because Mercedes used a smooth rolling road, which means the floor doesn’t perform as the wind tunnel indicates (recall porpoising). Mercedes got better when they compensated for the smooth vs rough belt. Aston use their wind tunnel. I don’t know if they have the same freedom as Mercedes with what they do with the wind tunnel, but I suspect they don’t, since their correlation is still HORRIFIC. Maybe they haven’t had the chance to compensate for a smooth vs rough belt like Mercedes have, but I’m not sure. But for both Mercedes and Aston to have the worst correlation issues and use the same wind tunnel, I think it more than a coincidence. McLaren also just kept putting on working upgrades when they got their new wind tunnel, making me think that an Aston upturn is inevitable when their new wind tunnel comes online.
Force out actual talent and keep the window licker in the second car. How can you take this team seriously while Lance continues to constantly perform like a bad rookie?
I feel like Fallows was under Newey's shadow at RBR and left so he could showcase his own talent and be credited/accosted according to his work; rather than Newey getting the credit. Then Newey joining Aston put that all in the bin
Put any other driver on the grid in Stroll's seat and Aston Martin would be doing a whole lot better. The guy drove into the gravel at 10mph on a formation lap.
Not when Alonso’s the main driver. Every team he’s been in has continued to decline the longer he’s their driver. He’s poor at feedback. Doesn’t matter who’s in the second seat, it will just be like McLaren with Vandoorne
Andy Cowell was a great engine/power train guy, a real expert. But the role of a CEO of a team is completely different, the skills and role are totally different and he has no previous experience. The type of skills you need are what Toto or Zak or Horner have. None have expertise in anything technical, but have great general managment skills and people skills and long term vision etc etc. Not sure if Andy has those skills being a technical expert in engines. Time will tell
You said: 'Andy Cowell was a great engine/power train guy, a real expert. But the role of a CEO of a team is completely different, the skills and role are totally different and he has no previous experience.' Yeah, the irony of what you just said is inter-galactic. How the fuck do you know what running an F1 team is like?! You have no idea and such a post means you're, at best, a junior somewhere.
This the problem with running a 1 driver team. The performance of both drivers is critically important to the overall performance of the team and the development of the car itself. It also suggests, allowing an under-performing driver to weigh the team down, is a sign of poor management.
F1 is becoming a farce. All we get is the names of a few folks and drama is created when they take gardening leave, move to another team, then use the typical verbiage to explain how it'll take 5 years to restructure the team and be in championship form. Same with drivers, their script is getting old too. Everything is a promise of things to come...
@n8pls543 I don't recall the formulaic constraints to which drivers and teams seem to hold themselves to today compared to giving statements 30 years ago. I mean sure there are some pleasant ways to state things. But team owners and drivers didn't seem so restrained in their comments as today. Even in the near past, Alonso's criticism of Honda (which was more likely McLaren shortcomings) was more pointed. After following for more than 30 years, there just doesn't seem to be anything said that isn't a bit too polished before it is said.
Newey is now onboard as of 2025 season, but he is primarily going to be working on the 2026 car right? The new Wind Tunnel also wont really be running perfectly until getting into the 2026 as well right?
Confirms what I thought about the Strolls and the Aston project; it's all a cynical affair with the belief that throwing money at wind tunnels, big name personnel and a new factory will be the solutions which they are not. This feels like what Jaguar was from 2000-2004 and I would not be at all surprised if management interference is to blame, Lawrence Stroll in this case as Ford were with Jaguar. Lance needs to retire; he's had eight years experience and beaching the car in the gravel is the worst of the many bone-headed mistakes he's made. Not to mention the fact he doesn't even look like he wants to be there anymore so what's the point of keeping him? Is Lawrence really that deluded?
Any car would be the slowest car with that driver:D They never took it seriously, why is it surprising? The purpose of this team was never to be good, but for his son to have fun:)
It's so weird that in-season development is difficult for a team with a driver who clearly doesn't give a damn about performance. Stroll has to go, it's impossible to take this team seriously as a title contender until that happens, and I have no doubt their performance will reflect this.
One of the more interesting things that looks set for next season is the growing conflict between Lawrence Stroll and Honda over Lance's future in the team. Honda have made it pretty apparent they want Yuki Tsunoda alongside Alonso, while Lawrence continues to 'support' his son. While Tsunoda has his critics, most of said critics still regard him as a better driver than Stroll, and while Stroll is technically contracted for 2026, in practice Honda will want one of their drivers alongside Alonso. The stage is set for a big power struggling next season between Honda and the Stroll's.
They don't create anything, they just copy whatever works for the big teams. This is noticeable mid season when they are unable to keep up as they have no idea why the car was fast. This could change with the arrival of Newey.
I became an f1 fan last year when I saw Aston storming up the pack and almost being a podium contender. Whatever they’ve been doing is bang out of line. I hope to see newey x Alonso working closely together to bring upgrades that propel the car to new heights
they know a good car when the steal it, mercedes and red bull copy. they do not know how to build a car from scratch.that is why newey is a partner in the team.
This guy kept talking for 10 minutes without mentioning Lance. So let me mention Max instead. If you had given max the aston car in 2024 season and the windowlicker the rb car, which driver would score more points at the end? if you even flinched one second, never mind saying max, that proves it. the skill gap is huge. that's what brazil showed us.
Get rid of Lance. In 8 years his best finish is a 3rd (3x) 2017 Azerbaijan - 7 drivers DNF (including Kimi Räikkönen, Sergio Pérez, Felipe Massa, Max Verstappen, Nico Hülkenberg) 2020 Italian - 4 drivers DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc, Sebastian Vettel, Kevin Magnussen) 2020 Sakhir - 3 DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc) Everytime he got on the podium, major podium drivers like Max, Charles, Vettel or Kimi DNF'ed. He has never podiumed with key race winning drivers were all still racing. So never got a podium on merrit, just dumb luck. In 8 years he has only made a top five 9x out of 167 races. But hes retired 21x out of those races. So he is 3x likely to DNF then finish in the top 5.
Alonso is still MUCH MORE than capable, just look at last year. Didn't even need time to adjust to a podium challenging car despite not having been in one for ages
Alonso is 80 and still is the one delivering the best results for the team. or did you forget last year he was fighting Red Bull during the start of the season? Stop with the "Alonso is old" nonsense, we know, if he continues performing then there's no need to replace him.
While they have somewhat of a dysfunctional driver pairing that doesn't explain the sudden decline in car performance. This same lineup got them 280 points just a year ago.
-Left his master to join a new team in order to become the head of design department. -Literally copied his master's design in the new team because he cannot come up a idea of his own. -Got demoted immediately when his master landed in the same team. OMG.
If you hollered "Hey Stroll!" in a team meeting, both of the primary problems would look up. They're the double-threat; bad management and bad driving.
there is no clearer sign of alonso mellowing out than the fact that there arent a plethora of angry radio calls between him and his aston martin engineers
Theyve got Newey now they just need to cross their fingers that the Honda engine is a performer. This year has been a real bummer as an Alonso fan after last year!
Remains in the group sounds to me like: we don't want the money we have to pay him for this departure to be within the budget cap. So "employ" him elsewhere might be a eufemism for paying him to be on leave from a different budget
The Race memory holed ITS OWN VIDEOS about Wolff putting a stop to AM's 2023 form after complaining about flexing wings (which Merc started using in 2024)?
Lance Stroll can't beat the "I have a seat I don't deserve" allegations, Dan Fallows can't beat the fraud allegations, Fernando can't beat the elderly allegations and Lawrence Stroll can't just throw tons of money at the problems, at least not as much as McLaren, Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari can
Newey and Honda has worked championships in the past and present. They are clearly not an issue. The only issue would be drivers. Looking forward to post Alonso contract (2027). That day will likely open a restructure for Lance Stroll to also be replaced. Once Aston acquires Max and Piastri is when Aston will become WDC and WCC winners. By that time Newey's design would have completely replaced all design concepts and the Honda engines would be fully integrated into the package. When/If Max leaves F1 which he has signaled then Piastri is a great foundation to carry the torch. He will only need a great support to continue the winning ways.
Kind of reminds me of Game Of Thrones. The writers did well with the books from George RR Martin but once they got to season 7, they had to come up with the story themselves... and we all know how that ended
or they are doing it on purpose to have the most development time allocation possible before the new regulations come into play. It could play out this way.
No mention of Lance Stroll needing to go. Aside from points lost on-track, how many people in the team want to leave or see no point or hope with the Lance situation being like an anchor constantly holding things back? Look at people like Mike Krack constantly spewing BS about Lance being the centre of the team and wonder if he (or anyone else with similar soundbites) actually means any of it.
At one point, I thought Aston Martin was deliberately slowing themselves down throughout the year to gain more CFD and wind tunnel time as some kind of bullshit masterplan for Adrian Newey's arrival next year lmao.
What can you expect from a team that keeps a terribly underperforming driver for years because his father is the owner? If such an obvious case of nepotism exists in the most visible part of the team I don't even want to imagine what kind of mess must exist in other departments.
That shit doesn't matter at this point. What's concerning is how bad their in season development is. I could hardly care about Lance, all I want is Fernando to have a car that can fight for podiums and wins again. Even if Newey makes a rocketship, it won't matter if Aston can't develop properly.
It's similar to how Max couldn't care less about the Checo rumours, and was more focused on the team making a better car
Lance is the reason why Aston shouldn't be taken seriously as a team but he's not the reason why their in season development is awful.
@@stevenjoseph6048it does matter. It's a psychological thing and influences the psychology of people in a nuanced but real way. His lack of talent also means they probably get terrible feedback and need to build an extremely compliant car that is slow, rather than a car on the edge that only a top driver (like Fernando) can handle.
Lance was at the team when it rocketed from P7 in 2022 to second best car in 2023.
The only reason they’re struggling is because they lost Vettel. Aston Martin would be in McLarens position right now if Vettel was their lead driver giving the team good feedback.
Alonso has been under performer for most of his F1 history. Of 21 seasons he only won in 9. 11 years without a race win and 18 without a title.
I mean.... that statistic of the slowest in the GP at Brazil is deceiving... one never even started it. 😑
yep, complete BS
To be fair, I think it would be dragged down if Stroll had raced 😂
I mean they said in the video that it was partially exagirated from some circumstances but still, it goes to show how far they've fallen.
And the other one had back problems, so quite likely wasn't at full pace towards the end of the race
nonetheless, they are still slow... both the drivers were not able to perform because the car terrible. you can say stroll is a terrible driver, true, but when given a great car, there is some resemblance of speed, even if he mucks it up
It's good to see that the public has the common sense to identify Lance Strulovich as the true problem.
I think only very basic F1 fans will think the car sucks because of Lance Stroll.
Lance guarantees more wind tunnel time
Tend to agree but daddies to stuck-up to see it
Keep the window-licker in the second car and drive out real talent. Lance keeps acting like a terrible rookie, so how can you take this squad seriously?
Even RBR can't achieve their potential with only one good driver. And RBR's underperformer is nowhere near as bad as what AMR is dealing with in their second car. He can't drive, he doesn't even seem to want to be there.
Newey be like: “you took my ideas, now I’m going to show you why you couldn’t make them work”
This pretty much sums it up. The student learned a thing or two from the teacher and thought he was above and beyond. If I was Newey I’d keep Dan just to make him my personal whipping boy.
only to find that the problem wasn't the car design, it was the entire team
@@DanishWistara yea tha topend structure is.... yikees
As soon as Newey was hired I knew Dan Fallows wouldn't end up working with him
will Newey have the minerals to say “it’s him or me - your choose”
@@eliotmansfield yes, he would. However, _did he?_ is another question.
Dan must Follows
Dan worked with Newey at red bull and I’m assuming he will be working with Newey at Aston Martin
@@y_fam_goeglydAdrian isn't what is going to win them championships it's Andy Cowell who has succeeded in V6,V8 and V10 era by producing the best engines in each era. Let's not forget Red bull tried to get him by offering him a contract worth more than Horner's salary and he declined
Any time Stroll F1 has made gains it has been from imitating other teams.
The pink Mercedes was great but they couldn’t develop it when they had to use it for a second season.
They’ve then copied the Red Bull side pods at the start of 2023 and it was a great step forward for them, but then all the other teams have moved to this concept and been able to develop this and again Stroll F1 has been left behind.
This coupled with the fact that one driver has to be coached through the most basic tasks while driving means they cannot get valuable feedback on their development. With Alonso being such a high quality driver he’ll be able to extract the absolute maximum from a car, which others and his woeful team mate cannot, masking some of the flaws
So we are gonna see a green McLaren in 2025.
@@steve4880Who knows what they’ll do. The point is they can only imitate what they see. They don’t understand it or know how to develop it
Lance Stroll.
That's the problem.
Even Alonso is struggling with the car
Lance Stroll isn't an engineer
well, as bad a driver as he is, i can argue that if it wasnt for Lance (and the unfathomable amounts of patience his dad has), the team would be in an even worse place (engineering wise).
i cannot begin to explain to you how annoying that sentence was to write, I WAS BORN IN THE SAME CITY AS DRUGOVICH, and it kills me to see Lance in the car while Felipe sucks his thumb.
He is not bad, just a prick and uninterested in the sport, putting that aside, blame the team for building a tractor
1. Lance Stroll is ass
2. Dan Fallows being a fraud and not knowing how to develop a Newey design
When Alonso leaves Dan Fallows will start being a genius magically.
Problem is with their lead driver who can’t give proper feedback, not the engineers who’ve had decades of success.
@@paperplane-db8qf questionable... it would be like saying verstappen is responsible for red bull's mid season performance slump and hamilton is responsible for the underwhelming ground effect mercedes cars. or hamilton is some sort of magician because he managed to give "proper feedback" so that the tragic 2009 mclaren could somehow turn it's head and suddenly become competitive.
go ahead and define "proper feedback". what's good and bad feedback? this is modern f1 and there are hundreds of team members, development drivers that all play a part in developing upgrades for a car and what is alonso doing in particular that somehow shifts all the blame to himself?
@@paperplane-db8qf I think people keep overlooking this. There is a pattern to his cars keep getting slower over time. He won his first race in a Ferrari. Then kinda drifted. Reason his first stint at Renault was so good was because he was younger and wasn’t trying to be smart. The guy is an amazing driving talent, but his strategy should be to shut up and drive.
It will be interesting with Newey there how this will look. He probably has an influence bigger than most. I wouldn’t put it past Max to be similar to Alonso driving shitboxes designed according to his feedback very well.
@ with Mercedes and Redbull they have other factors that are hampering them. But Redbull is fast because they designed a car around Max and not Perez.
Yes engineers matter more, but engineers only know what to do by the data and feedback they get. If a driver says the car needs oversteer or is unable to point out problems then the engineers cannot focus on improving areas of the car that need it.
Adrian Newey himself said that the driver is the most important sensor in the car. You cannot say Michael Schumacher was completely irrelevant at Ferrari creating a better car.
The exact same team with two different drivers will create better or worse cars.
Teams wouldn’t waste millions of dollars testing 1000 laps if driver feedback was useless.
@@no1washerezz I think proper feedback is just being minimal and driving what the engineers give you. I reckon every driver that peaks early falls into the trap thinking they are an engineer and probably are too specific. Time will tell with Max, he is pretty agressive in races about strategy, but he seems more focused to racing sims outside the cockpit, so let’s see his post Newey career. JV, Vettel, Alonso I think are that. Lewis trusted his designers and focused on fashion, Schumacher had access to unlimited miles of testing. I reckon it was the limited testing that hurt his comeback most.
The guy was under Adrian at RB and thought he could do better as the big boss, look where thats got him
The current RB car is a Newey design and not developing well either. Master and apprentice?
@@f.kieranfinney457Newey stopped working on that car in 2023
@@f.kieranfinney457Firstly, Newey isn't the chief designer of RB20, it's Pierre Wache. Secondly, Red Bull was still winning when Newey left the team, so it's Newey's absence that is a probably a big reason for Red Bull's development struggles.
Newey its amazing but I think he its getting way to much praise you can succede without him too
The problem with Aston is a certain 26-year-old Canadian...
@@hesgabe I mean c'mon... the Aston Martin dropped considerably in performance from 2023 to 2024 because of Lance?
It's not always Lance's fault (sort of), even though he's still a bad driver. The main problem is bigger than Lance himself, it's Mike Krack and Tom McCullough because of their inability to understand aerodynamics and understanding from Alonso's criticism yet they kept glazing so hard about the car yet never delivered actual improvements unlike McLaren because they've managed to pull that off at Miami.
Is not Stroll fault if the staff does have low morale because of a certain Canadian driver? Heck... Even Newey will give up trying upgrade because of one certain Canadian all the development will go back and they will continue to repair the car and push the budget backwards as their development... If fallows leaves Stroll have part at his failure
I feel that's pinning the blame on the wrong Stroll 🤔
@Scruffywelder if jnr had any conscience he would choose to walk away🤷♂️ only a blind fool can't see that he's out of his depth
Honestly as an Aston Fan all i want are Upgrades that work; I think demotion fits the bill for Fallows lack of knowledge about this concept of car the AMR23-24 onwards. I certainly dont think newey alones the magic bullet but i hope theres synergy with him and enrique Cardille when it comes to development of the car and concept. Anythings better than being moderately fast beginning of the season and tail spinning into oblivion.
You've nailed it. Hopefully in season development gets better because these last 2 seasons has been really bad. Ik the front wing got banned near the middle of the 23 season but since then they've never recovered. Fallows being demoted is hopefully the start of better things to come
This used to be a Jordan trait, maybe it's just in their DNA🤷♂
What I think is that Fallows simply said "Look, I can't do anything because I only have useful feedback from a single driver. The other one is busy licking the window or beaching his car. Even if we get a rocketship, the team can't score points if one car only makes it to the end of the race."
Then he got fired for speaking the truth.
I really do hope Newey can influence 2025 also by fixing the team's inability to do upgrades. The only time this team managed to upgrade their car is during the 2022 season (also the time when Fallows copied the red bull onto the B spec 22 car), otherwise it's always decline from launch spec.
The guy came from RedBull, took a bunch of drawings with him, the car was on the podium almost every weekend,
And then he had to tune the car himself, and he just lost his mind,
Like in most companies having too many manages who do not actualy "do" the job is not efficient
I think thats THE PROBLEM HERE.
Aston Martin is likely being hampered by the lack of quality feedback from half of it's driver lineup. Engineers have a hard time improving a car when the information they use to improve it is flawed.
They want newey to have the maximum wind tunnel and cds to get a massive head start on 2026
If any team would forego whatever prize money for more wind tunnel time, it's Aston Martin
At least that's the copium I'm huffing as I get set to become a full-fledged fan in 2026 (my loyalty's to Honda)
I wonder if Aston would have a better time sticking with Mercedes power for 2026..
Going from 4/5th to 7-10th fastest is just unacceptable, I'm surprised more people haven't been fired or put to the side
Starting with Stroll, ever badly trailing whoever is his teammate
@@diegosottiStroll is not even on the top of the list rn for Aston. They need to pray their wind tunnel works and start bringing proper upgrades. They've been by far the worst team on the grid in terms of in season development.
The team is fine. They did a better job with Vettel without the fancy factory, huge signings and the wind tunnel.
This happens at every team Alonso drives for.
@@paperplane-db8qf You gotta start wondering how good Fernando’s feedback is
@@justinburley8659 idk because according to the words of the mechanics that worked with Alonso which includes the current McLaren team principal, his feedback is one of the best
When Stroll sacked Omar and demanded a title contention in 5 years from a team with virtually no infrastructures, I knew the same formula that allowed Force India to be so successful in so little resources would not apply. I think Vettel knew it as well. After all, he experienced rock bottom with Ferrari
Even with the fastest car on the grid Lance would still not win.
Turkey 2020
@@justinburley8659 One half decent performance in 8 years. Not bad going.
@@justinburley8659the guy has 2 good races in his entire 7 year career I don't know how the hell he still has fans that sugarcoat his horrendous performance
@@justinburley8659 Brah, Turkey he finished 9th.
In 8 years his best finish is a 3rd (3x)
2017 Azerbaijan - 7 drivers DNF (including Kimi Räikkönen, Sergio Pérez, Felipe Massa, Max Verstappen, Nico Hülkenberg)
2020 Italian - 4 drivers DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc, Sebastian Vettel, Kevin Magnussen)
2020 Sakhir - 3 DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc)
Everytime he got in the points major podium drivers like Max, Charles, Vettel or Kimi DNF'ed. He has never podiumed with key race winning drivers were all still racing. So never got a podium on merrit, just dumb luck.
@ He got that pole position on merit. He beat both Perez and Verstappen for it in very tricky conditions. He would’ve won Turkey if he didn’t pick up floor damage in the first stint. At one point in that stint he had over a 10 second lead! It’s possible for him to win a race, but yes, he would need a very competitive car…
What's also confusing is how 2022 played out for them. It was the exact opposite of 23 and 24
They started terrible, comfortably a back marker and 9th best. But they developed the car very well and by the end of the season were easily the 6th best teat, out developing Haas, Alfa Romeo and Alpha Tauri
These last 2 years have been the opposite which is very confusing. How can a team go from starting poor and developing the car really well, to starting well and falling off a cliff with bad updates
Only held accountable for under performance if you don’t share blood.
Nepotism Xd windowlicker should get "you are DEMOTED" treatment.
The chopping and changing of floors is causing its own problems - most teams bring a floor upgrade, then find a balance with the frontal airflow and overall downforce, unless the floor development is entirely the wrong direction it should be possible to adjust other aspects to iron out any undesirable characteristics with a little patience
Driver 61 released a video on why Mercedes have had correlation issues with their wind tunnel for the last few years. It was because Mercedes used a smooth rolling road, which means the floor doesn’t perform as the wind tunnel indicates (recall porpoising). Mercedes got better when they compensated for the smooth vs rough belt.
Aston use their wind tunnel. I don’t know if they have the same freedom as Mercedes with what they do with the wind tunnel, but I suspect they don’t, since their correlation is still HORRIFIC. Maybe they haven’t had the chance to compensate for a smooth vs rough belt like Mercedes have, but I’m not sure. But for both Mercedes and Aston to have the worst correlation issues and use the same wind tunnel, I think it more than a coincidence.
McLaren also just kept putting on working upgrades when they got their new wind tunnel, making me think that an Aston upturn is inevitable when their new wind tunnel comes online.
Interesting view 🤔
Force out actual talent and keep the window licker in the second car. How can you take this team seriously while Lance continues to constantly perform like a bad rookie?
Engineers see them as an easy way to make money quickly because they’re desperate. Newey coming in will make a difference now though.
Nice to see that the audience has common sense to point out the real elephant in the room, that is Lance Strulovich
I feel like Fallows was under Newey's shadow at RBR and left so he could showcase his own talent and be credited/accosted according to his work; rather than Newey getting the credit. Then Newey joining Aston put that all in the bin
Tbf with that, I wouldn't be surprised if Fallows thought that Newey would be retiring at Red Bull
@@patrickracer43 yeah. I think most were surprised Newey left; he was effectively one of the parents of RBR
Lance stroll is the problem
Yes, because the car is currently super fast.
Put any other driver on the grid in Stroll's seat and Aston Martin would be doing a whole lot better. The guy drove into the gravel at 10mph on a formation lap.
Not when Alonso’s the main driver. Every team he’s been in has continued to decline the longer he’s their driver.
He’s poor at feedback. Doesn’t matter who’s in the second seat, it will just be like McLaren with Vandoorne
@@paperplane-db8qfeven before Alonso joined, stroll was as good as Stevie Wonder taking a eye exam
@@paperplane-db8qf interesting, so that's two drivers in the same team not really helping develop the team in different ways.
Yes, they would probably have 20/30 points more... still nowhere near enough what Aston wants.
it does somewhat make sense that Dan wouldn't want to be demoted or something when Newey joins the team.
What will it take for Daddy to realize his son is a useless driver????
He won't accept the fact right until his deathbed.
It's obvious that your Daddy never told you the cold, hard truth either
@@PretendMemo va a cagher
3:04 should have used a points per race graphic instead
they copied the RB18, but Couldn't develop anything.
Lance Strulovitch has been in F1 for 7 years. Let that sink in.
I've never seen a team advance so much as McLaren did last year. Similarly, I've never seen a team go backwards as AM have over the same period.
The title should say "why won't Aston Martin rid itself of Lance Stroll?"
Because that wouldn't solve much
The exceptions to the budget cap are a big problem for real cost control and team parity.
Something tells me "too many cooks spoil the broth." Let's see if that's really the case, all we know is if someone can make it work it's Newey.
"Theres no Lance Stroll hype train, its more of a short bus" - Rocketpoweredmohawk
Sack Lance Stroll
Andy Cowell was a great engine/power train guy, a real expert. But the role of a CEO of a team is completely different, the skills and role are totally different and he has no previous experience. The type of skills you need are what Toto or Zak or Horner have. None have expertise in anything technical, but have great general managment skills and people skills and long term vision etc etc. Not sure if Andy has those skills being a technical expert in engines. Time will tell
You said: 'Andy Cowell was a great engine/power train guy, a real expert. But the role of a CEO of a team is completely different, the skills and role are totally different and he has no previous experience.'
Yeah, the irony of what you just said is inter-galactic.
How the fuck do you know what running an F1 team is like?! You have no idea and such a post means you're, at best, a junior somewhere.
This the problem with running a 1 driver team. The performance of both drivers is critically important to the overall performance of the team and the development of the car itself. It also suggests, allowing an under-performing driver to weigh the team down, is a sign of poor management.
I really like your style and the information presented to us when addressing team's internal politics
F1 is becoming a farce. All we get is the names of a few folks and drama is created when they take gardening leave, move to another team, then use the typical verbiage to explain how it'll take 5 years to restructure the team and be in championship form.
Same with drivers, their script is getting old too.
Everything is a promise of things to come...
Always has been, the internet just means the silly stories never stop flowing.
@n8pls543 I don't recall the formulaic constraints to which drivers and teams seem to hold themselves to today compared to giving statements 30 years ago. I mean sure there are some pleasant ways to state things. But team owners and drivers didn't seem so restrained in their comments as today. Even in the near past, Alonso's criticism of Honda (which was more likely McLaren shortcomings) was more pointed.
After following for more than 30 years, there just doesn't seem to be anything said that isn't a bit too polished before it is said.
When you consider the facilities and investment, the dip in performance is unacceptable.
Newey is now onboard as of 2025 season, but he is primarily going to be working on the 2026 car right? The new Wind Tunnel also wont really be running perfectly until getting into the 2026 as well right?
Confirms what I thought about the Strolls and the Aston project; it's all a cynical affair with the belief that throwing money at wind tunnels, big name personnel and a new factory will be the solutions which they are not. This feels like what Jaguar was from 2000-2004 and I would not be at all surprised if management interference is to blame, Lawrence Stroll in this case as Ford were with Jaguar.
Lance needs to retire; he's had eight years experience and beaching the car in the gravel is the worst of the many bone-headed mistakes he's made. Not to mention the fact he doesn't even look like he wants to be there anymore so what's the point of keeping him? Is Lawrence really that deluded?
Any car would be the slowest car with that driver:D
They never took it seriously, why is it surprising? The purpose of this team was never to be good, but for his son to have fun:)
Cowell vs Newey will be interesting one in this "I buy every top captain and place them on a single ship" structure.
It's so weird that in-season development is difficult for a team with a driver who clearly doesn't give a damn about performance.
Stroll has to go, it's impossible to take this team seriously as a title contender until that happens, and I have no doubt their performance will reflect this.
0:11 wow look at those "genuine" smiles from Alonso and Stroll...
One of the more interesting things that looks set for next season is the growing conflict between Lawrence Stroll and Honda over Lance's future in the team. Honda have made it pretty apparent they want Yuki Tsunoda alongside Alonso, while Lawrence continues to 'support' his son.
While Tsunoda has his critics, most of said critics still regard him as a better driver than Stroll, and while Stroll is technically contracted for 2026, in practice Honda will want one of their drivers alongside Alonso. The stage is set for a big power struggling next season between Honda and the Stroll's.
MotoGP game theme in the background! :D
All this key personnel, The factory, The wind tunnel, Countless hours of R&D and technical design to be then given to Lance Stroll. What a waste.
They don't create anything, they just copy whatever works for the big teams. This is noticeable mid season when they are unable to keep up as they have no idea why the car was fast. This could change with the arrival of Newey.
I was curious if the Fallows/Newey thing would work. I guess we already have an answer.
Fallows to Audi?
I became an f1 fan last year when I saw Aston storming up the pack and almost being a podium contender. Whatever they’ve been doing is bang out of line. I hope to see newey x Alonso working closely together to bring upgrades that propel the car to new heights
they know a good car when the steal it, mercedes and red bull copy. they do not know how to build a car from scratch.that is why newey is a partner in the team.
This guy kept talking for 10 minutes without mentioning Lance. So let me mention Max instead. If you had given max the aston car in 2024 season and the windowlicker the rb car, which driver would score more points at the end? if you even flinched one second, never mind saying max, that proves it. the skill gap is huge. that's what brazil showed us.
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON EL PLAN. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
kill me now
Yet somehow they’re still going to end up 5th like last year 😅
Get rid of Lance. In 8 years his best finish is a 3rd (3x)
2017 Azerbaijan - 7 drivers DNF (including Kimi Räikkönen, Sergio Pérez, Felipe Massa, Max Verstappen, Nico Hülkenberg)
2020 Italian - 4 drivers DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc, Sebastian Vettel, Kevin Magnussen)
2020 Sakhir - 3 DNF ( including Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc)
Everytime he got on the podium, major podium drivers like Max, Charles, Vettel or Kimi DNF'ed. He has never podiumed with key race winning drivers were all still racing. So never got a podium on merrit, just dumb luck.
In 8 years he has only made a top five 9x out of 167 races. But hes retired 21x out of those races. So he is 3x likely to DNF then finish in the top 5.
Alonso is 80, and Stroll isn't an F1 driver, just the son of a rich man.
One of those things is true
Stroll is far from the worst driver on the grid, there's just no Mazepin or Sargeant to take the heat off him now.
Alonso is still MUCH MORE than capable, just look at last year. Didn't even need time to adjust to a podium challenging car despite not having been in one for ages
Alonso is 80 and still is the one delivering the best results for the team. or did you forget last year he was fighting Red Bull during the start of the season? Stop with the "Alonso is old" nonsense, we know, if he continues performing then there's no need to replace him.
While they have somewhat of a dysfunctional driver pairing that doesn't explain the sudden decline in car performance. This same lineup got them 280 points just a year ago.
-Left his master to join a new team in order to become the head of design department.
-Literally copied his master's design in the new team because he cannot come up a idea of his own.
-Got demoted immediately when his master landed in the same team.
OMG.
To be fair, it’s kind a hard to make upgrades to your cars when they have to rebuild and fix damage every week anyway
If you hollered "Hey Stroll!" in a team meeting, both of the primary problems would look up. They're the double-threat; bad management and bad driving.
there is no clearer sign of alonso mellowing out than the fact that there arent a plethora of angry radio calls between him and his aston martin engineers
Why is Mike Krack not mentioned once here? The most flying-under-the-radar team principal in F1
WINDOW LICKA!!!!!!
Theyve got Newey now they just need to cross their fingers that the Honda engine is a performer. This year has been a real bummer as an Alonso fan after last year!
The answer is Lance Stroll. It must be horrendously demotivating to work for such a dud.
"Bix, play Sim Dane's 'Daddy's Cash'. Max volume, damn the eardrums..."
Remains in the group sounds to me like: we don't want the money we have to pay him for this departure to be within the budget cap. So "employ" him elsewhere might be a eufemism for paying him to be on leave from a different budget
the real elephant in the room is Lance Stroll.
Ferrari 2020
131 points in 17 races, couple of podiums
Aston Martin 2024
86 points in 21 races w/ sprints, haven't seen a podium
Let that sink in.
what about stroll going for casual beaching in the gravel?
Couldn’t care less about Aston while Lance is there
What's going so wrong at Aston Martin? Nepotism.
The next twist in the Stroll's 'smush as many of F1s greatest minds together as possible' experiment.
Aston Martin has two underperforming drivers and they need to fix that now
The problem is the owner not the Team
Its interesting that when a team does poorly, these higher ups jump ship instead of working to fix it
if Newey doesnt fix the problem. then its a problem at Aston HQ.
or they could possibly be sandbagging to have more time in the windtunnel since newey is in the house
i swear the thumbnail originally said "Demoted"????
The Race memory holed ITS OWN VIDEOS about Wolff putting a stop to AM's 2023 form after complaining about flexing wings (which Merc started using in 2024)?
They seem to be afraid to criticise sir Lancelot
Any technical, aero, engine, or staff improvements is moot when you have neanderthal Lance still in the team.
Lance Stroll can't beat the "I have a seat I don't deserve" allegations, Dan Fallows can't beat the fraud allegations, Fernando can't beat the elderly allegations and Lawrence Stroll can't just throw tons of money at the problems, at least not as much as McLaren, Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari can
is a 10 min video but feels like a 40 min podcast and no in a good way
Not surprised, he ruined Andy Green's car last year and made a crap car this year, he was hyped as Newey's star apprentice and was found lacking
"Notoriously impatient chairman" .....
Except when it comes to his son 🙄
What a terrible example to his employees
Newey and Honda has worked championships in the past and present. They are clearly not an issue.
The only issue would be drivers.
Looking forward to post Alonso contract (2027).
That day will likely open a restructure for Lance Stroll to also be replaced.
Once Aston acquires Max and Piastri is when Aston will become WDC and WCC winners.
By that time Newey's design would have completely replaced all design concepts and the Honda engines would be fully integrated into the package.
When/If Max leaves F1 which he has signaled then Piastri is a great foundation to carry the torch. He will only need a great support to continue the winning ways.
Sorry, but there is only one major problem with Aston.
Kind of reminds me of Game Of Thrones. The writers did well with the books from George RR Martin but once they got to season 7, they had to come up with the story themselves... and we all know how that ended
or they are doing it on purpose to have the most development time allocation possible before the new regulations come into play. It could play out this way.
0:29 oh shut up lance you just crossed to a gravel trap while there's an ESCAPE ROUTE!!!!
So get rid of Fallows but keep Land ridiculous.
No mention of Lance Stroll needing to go. Aside from points lost on-track, how many people in the team want to leave or see no point or hope with the Lance situation being like an anchor constantly holding things back? Look at people like Mike Krack constantly spewing BS about Lance being the centre of the team and wonder if he (or anyone else with similar soundbites) actually means any of it.
At one point, I thought Aston Martin was deliberately slowing themselves down throughout the year to gain more CFD and wind tunnel time as some kind of bullshit masterplan for Adrian Newey's arrival next year lmao.