Sony FE 85mm F1.8 vs Zeiss Batis 85mm F1.8 Field Test (In Thailand!)

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  • The Zeiss Batis 85mm F1.8 is one of our favourite lenses for Sony's mirrorless cameras, so we were surprised to see Sony launch their own 85mm F1.8 last month. On a recent trip to see Sony's Thailand factory, we decided to shoot out these two great lenses. Is the Zeiss Batis worth paying twice as much for?
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    Shot and edited by Jordan Drake
    Shot on the Sony A6500, A7R II & Panasonic GH5
    Order the Zeiss Batis 85mm F1.8 from The Camera Store:
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  • @HansPacker
    @HansPacker 7 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    I don't think there is a more likable duo for camera reviews than Chris and Jordan. I watch reviews for gear that I am not even interested in.

  • @JonathanPetersonlisten2EITS
    @JonathanPetersonlisten2EITS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Guys, I love your videos and this one is no exception. I've got the 85mm f1.4 GM lens already, but this was great information. More than anything...I was thoroughly impressed by the images showcased in this video. Seriously some awesome work here! Bravo

  • @cameralabs
    @cameralabs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    Great video, particularly the parts with me in it.

    • @dalibormrkic7808
      @dalibormrkic7808 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I think it was between your portrait and elephant shot at 6:10 for best shot.

    • @renorecoco
      @renorecoco 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gordon Laing .

    • @raksh9
      @raksh9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those parts were so good, I had to loosen my pants. Wait, what?

  • @Jiraset07
    @Jiraset07 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Big fan of your camera review, love to see you in my country.👍

  • @1iblock
    @1iblock 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys thanks for the review and great meeting you on the Thailand trip. I know what lens i will be getting.

  • @paolomarcellogrant30
    @paolomarcellogrant30 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i was literally just looking for a comparison of these lenses and then u guys make one. wow. u guys are great thanks.

  • @bogrunberger
    @bogrunberger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review and great images. I love all the videos you guys make!

  • @stevenglenn8724
    @stevenglenn8724 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for a great review. I am looking at the Sony 55 mm lens and you have helped me to decide that this is going to be my next lens for my ArR II. Love your very professional videos!

  • @proxyshooter
    @proxyshooter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this was my first lens ever, and as a beginner I didn't know how to use it properly. Now after shooting for a year and a half I have decided to purchase this lens again, and while watching this video I am jumping out of my seat at these shots and my good decision making in revisiting this old friend. It comes in tomorrow, cannot wait.

  • @KrinYongvongphaiboon
    @KrinYongvongphaiboon 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome! Good to see you in Thailand!

  • @themattenthehat
    @themattenthehat 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just went to the Banff Mountain Film Festival World Tour yesterday (in Costa Mesa, California), and saw the Camera Store sponsorship. Its awesome that you guys sponsor things like that, not to mention providing these fantastic videos and review, and for free no less! Keep up the great work, and keep the passion in what you do!

    • @TheCameraStoreTV
      @TheCameraStoreTV  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Helping with Banff Mountain Film Fest Adventure Filmmaking Workshop is always one of the highlights of my year! Glad you checked out the festival tour, there were some great films last year!
      Jordan @ TCSTV

  • @motomanvlog
    @motomanvlog 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool you guys got to come out here. Love the video as always

  • @MrSk8long
    @MrSk8long 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job! Going to get the FE after seeing your review.

  • @nordattack
    @nordattack 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Both look like amazing lenses, but I can clearly see the Zeiss has greater color saturation and contrast and a slightly warmer rendering which I like. But besides that, they look so close in rendering that you could flip a coin and be very happy. Thanks for the review!

  • @Felliph3
    @Felliph3 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review as always. Thank you guys

  • @Jinxteru
    @Jinxteru 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video with a nice pace to it! Thanks a lot!

  • @gernerchristensen8114
    @gernerchristensen8114 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best YT channel about gear out there guys. Congrats :)

  • @msamiullah001
    @msamiullah001 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    love the content, love the music, great stuff

  • @JohnSisonPhotography
    @JohnSisonPhotography 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of my favourite camera channels. Great work guys! Sony 85mm FE looks good for its price.

  • @MarcoBagnoli
    @MarcoBagnoli 7 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    6:10 one of the best example shot on the Channel :D

    • @howardhsiao7917
      @howardhsiao7917 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      SooGehts don't know what happened to Chris, but his photos on this episode are fantastic

    • @MiladJPanah
      @MiladJPanah 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      National Geographic worthy image

    • @_rhapsodist
      @_rhapsodist 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wanted to say the same!

    • @Rielestkid
      @Rielestkid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thought the same exact thing

    • @PC-eu9gb
      @PC-eu9gb 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      came lookin for this comment, was not disappointed

  • @southwestontario
    @southwestontario 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In the side by side photos, I did notice a difference. the Zeiss was sharper and warmer color (as you mentioned). I did like it much better than the Sony, but would I pay double? No way.

  •  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome review! Thank you

  • @YuttapoomJinachai
    @YuttapoomJinachai 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad you come. Welcome to Thailand. Hope you enjoy here.

  • @thischannelisforcommenting5680
    @thischannelisforcommenting5680 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Welcome to Bangkok! Didn't expect to see you here!

  • @_erensarigul
    @_erensarigul 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:71 is a classic :D , great work guys!

  • @AllenFreemanMediaGuru
    @AllenFreemanMediaGuru 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super pro video! Great comparison shots. In the real world the Sony 85 1.8 seems to be the way to go. Keep up the great tech reviews.

  • @iamfrankstallone
    @iamfrankstallone 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    3:14 - Hi there Chelsea Northrup! 😂

    • @iamfrankstallone
      @iamfrankstallone 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      6:14 aaaaand howdy to Tony Northup! 🤣

  • @richaneesh
    @richaneesh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    7:46 top to bottom the whole left side, the Batis gives more detailed and sharp image and also, the portraits shows that the Batis has more natural tone to the skin. Add to it the weather sealing and image stabilizer, it really makes up for double the price, because in certain conditions one might end up not being able to use the Sony lens at all due to weather condition or as you yourself mentioned: a bumpy ride. Theoretically there may not be a huge difference, but in real life it may be huge depending on the situation.

  • @samspace81
    @samspace81 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quality review, looking at one of these to go with my new A6500 Sony to use on my TH-cam channel ;)

  • @vpr5562
    @vpr5562 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For my A7R3 I bought first the Sony. Sold it when I saw a great deal for second hand batis. Paid 150$ more, but got stabilization and weather resistance. And to my eye a bit of more lens contrast.

    • @dilloncallaway3621
      @dilloncallaway3621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      V PR do you ever actually use the weather sealing though?

  • @RokDAWG1
    @RokDAWG1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome review!

  • @sush2142
    @sush2142 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was absolutely beautiful.

  • @richardpcrowe
    @richardpcrowe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have been using the Sony 85mm f/1.8 on both APSC and full frame Sony mirrorless cameras since it was introduced and I just love it. It is great for portraits on both crop and full frame and also makes a nice lightweight combination on a crop format camera with the Sigma 18-50mm f/1.8 lens. The 122.5 mm equivalent meshes quite well with the 27-75mm equivalent of the Sigma. I am not a great fan of UWA lenses and the Sigma fills my needs in that area while the 85mm is a decent mid range zoom on a crop format camera. I use the 85mm on the Sony A7iii and on the A6600 and I do not miss stabilization in that lens.

  • @charnkiat
    @charnkiat 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to Thailand! I love your show. Big fan 💜 If you do a meet and greet, I'm sure lots of us would definitely go see you.

  • @victormc49
    @victormc49 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damm!! My favorite camera was actually assembled in my country! Didn't know that before! Anyways hope you guys enjoyed Thailand!

  • @juiceplanet147
    @juiceplanet147 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow! a trip to Thailand one the most beautiful places to shoot in you guys weren't prepared. What a bummer. 😕

  • @LostInYoutube
    @LostInYoutube 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    3:15 is that Chelsea????

  • @sgpork
    @sgpork 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be nice if this video have these 2 as comparison.. feat. GM 85 1.4 too.
    I have the 85 GM and I love it.
    Nonetheless.. Thanks for sharing and have a good time in Thailand !

  • @estebanisswimming
    @estebanisswimming 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    No mittens? Love your work. Great to see the setting change

  • @LetsGoHelio
    @LetsGoHelio 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn this was a great video. Thanks!

  • @criticaltinker
    @criticaltinker 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The color of the Batis is a lot better. Warmer I should say. and the contrast looks better to me.

    • @MyekalBenham
      @MyekalBenham 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Over a year later and yeah the Skin tones are more natural to my eye on the Batis. Also more Micro Contrast.

    • @beyondestination
      @beyondestination 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just shoot raw and color correct in post.

    • @angel20503
      @angel20503 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@beyondestination extra work & waste time..

  • @MrAlexTech
    @MrAlexTech 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My copy is with the Courier! Will be here on Tuesday woo!! Going to do a little Q&A if anyone has any question about the lens not answered here?!

  • @ForzaDerpGuy
    @ForzaDerpGuy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder why I like your reviews so much even though I'm not looking for a camera/lens to replace my D7100 with 18-140mm 3.something - 5.6 ED

  • @ernstvandeursen9254
    @ernstvandeursen9254 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Focus Lock button made me choose for the Sony 1,8/85mm. Makes the difference in a lot of shots. Will add the new Sony 1,8/35mm to my collection asap for the same reason. What a wonderfull lightweight three lens set that will be, together with the Zeiss 1,8/55mm Sonnar.

  • @TevanAlexander
    @TevanAlexander 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the review! Look at the shine on the eyes, the Batis is substantially sharper: 7:38

  • @icy2527
    @icy2527 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to Thailand bro!

  • @mtp_studios
    @mtp_studios 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i could listen to you talk about lenses all night long.

  • @p7272
    @p7272 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    When will you be doing a review of the SF-M or G Series UHS-II SD Memory Cards. What cards are you currently using?

  • @MrAdilRehman
    @MrAdilRehman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome video , can you compare it to G master 85mm F1.4 ?

  • @hamroz1
    @hamroz1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the camera bag you were using at the beginning of the video?

  • @VioletGOKU
    @VioletGOKU 7 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I am a simple man...I see Chelsea, I hit Like!

  • @frankie5072
    @frankie5072 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys, big fan, anywho, what would you recommend? I do primarily weddings and portrait work but I’m torn. I like the 1.8 of this lens however I can cover more of a range with the new Sony 24-105 f/4. What would you do @thecamerastoretv ?

  • @send2daa
    @send2daa 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im a big fan from Thailand too! Did not know you were here T^T

  • @ThePong75
    @ThePong75 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to Thailand... big fan...

  • @llvideos6268
    @llvideos6268 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video!
    Confused sometimes: You should have put the camera you used on the images stills, as you did with the speed, ISO, ....

  • @acrinacrin6925
    @acrinacrin6925 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another awesome review. Can you compare it (or both) with Nikon 85mm 1.8 G lens? I am really curious how (relatively) old Nikon G lens performs against new Sony-Zeiss.

  • @davidmonak114
    @davidmonak114 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    just saw this lens for sale and wondering how well it works for video on the sony a7sm2?

  • @ryanricker7528
    @ryanricker7528 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Right on..thanks!

  • @cizcalodiablopanzon
    @cizcalodiablopanzon 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello John ....great comparison!
    please help! need your advise since you are an experienced photographer and you have used lots of gear.
    i want to buy an 85mm for my a6000, but this is the thing, i would like to change my camera in a couple of years for an a7 model, and this is my dilemma, on the one hand, i can buy this sony 85 to futureproof my buy when i get my full frame camera, but on the other hand my camera came with the laea4 adapter, so i have seen the zeiss 85 f1.4 A-mount used in good condition on EBAY for as low as 800 dlls, what would you do?
    buy this sony 85 or the zeiss 85 A- mount?

  • @carlj1964
    @carlj1964 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've always wanted to own a Zeiss, there's this kudos with the brand. I'm also a realist. I have to pay bills. Just got my A7ii and the FE85mm f1.8 hit the shop the same day. I'm so glad that I'm not relinquishing iq with this. Great comparison.

  • @despoonsamy4624
    @despoonsamy4624 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, how about that, In my own back yard, I've been following your channel (from BKK) for years, Would have been super to meet you

  • @Trevor-Watlington
    @Trevor-Watlington 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what if I can pick up a batis for 600? should i do it?

  • @Mortalbeing1
    @Mortalbeing1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice comparison... But I'm think of ordering the Sony FE 85mm F1.8.... P.S. what brand of camera is that you have in the video?

  • @rocklobster112
    @rocklobster112 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the Sigma Art 85mm? How does this compare? Side note: i already own the sigma adapter for Sony.

  • @XDR2201
    @XDR2201 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! You're in Thailand right now? Really wanna see you.

  • @crappytoe
    @crappytoe 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long are you guys going to be in Thailand? Would like to meet you guys there if you guys have some time next week.

  • @KChalermpanth
    @KChalermpanth 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to Thailand! Hope you guys are liking it here. How long will you be here?

  • @pleate99
    @pleate99 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow welcome to Thailand :)

  • @KAVINSKY311
    @KAVINSKY311 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    are you guys going to do an a9 review?

  • @XTpF4vaQEp
    @XTpF4vaQEp 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will there be a factory tour/video?

  • @TheHalferz
    @TheHalferz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had similar problem at grand palace. Only a 50mm on and aps-c .. at some point in the day you decide to just take in the view yourself and make a pledge to return someday in the future with a wide angle.

  • @3ddesign216
    @3ddesign216 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Shot and edited by Jordan Drake
    Shot on the Sony A6500"
    ...... but what kind of lens you used for the video 4:30 ?? Thanks!

  • @dipakmakwana190
    @dipakmakwana190 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sir how can i use this lens for my sony a58..

  • @23Scadu
    @23Scadu 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:46 That's a great smile, glad it was caught on more than just a selfie.

  • @mallred4347
    @mallred4347 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi TCS - SONY A99II REVIEW PLEASE

  • @dannyhong1930
    @dannyhong1930 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to Thailand!!!

  • @TY-yskm
    @TY-yskm 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's a awesome comparison review. I'm wondering between the FE 85mm f1.8 and FE 90mm f2.8 macro, which one is better value? Does the 90mm shoot as great portrait images as the 85MM?

    • @chosenideahandle
      @chosenideahandle 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you need a macro? If you don't and you're serious about a portrait lens, it's hard to leave all that extra headroom and shallow DOF for a paltry 2.8. Yes 10 months late.

  • @WitChyy14
    @WitChyy14 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Do you still in Bangkok ? I'm a big fan from Thailand

  • @user-sz9wr8ff5t
    @user-sz9wr8ff5t 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow this's great job guys like always

  • @kenhunter3249
    @kenhunter3249 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the Pentax K1 compatible with Zeiss Otus lenses?

  • @sgpork
    @sgpork 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to get permit to enter the Chonburi Sony factory? Would love to visit..

  • @panoramictv9249
    @panoramictv9249 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'd rather save $600 since they look so similar

  • @eric8588
    @eric8588 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Batis is a fantastic lens. Love mine.

    • @muffemod
      @muffemod 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      love it as well, it's a modern classic.

  • @ThisIsManta
    @ThisIsManta 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greetings from Thailand!

  • @hababacon
    @hababacon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you take a peek at 4:48? I saw your eyes flow down then up and smirk!

  • @amoxintubeu
    @amoxintubeu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris, I am not sure. But, when you said "Muay Thai", your Thai accent was very good. It's like you know how to speak Thai.

  • @georgepenrose7407
    @georgepenrose7407 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought the Batis was a touch sharper, but unless you have the dollars I would go Sony. I did read at one point, as far as portrait photography is concerned the eye detect AF only works on Sony lenses, please correct me if I am wrong.

  • @amoxintubeu
    @amoxintubeu 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris, are you still in Thailand? Anyway, have a good time overthere.

  • @test0815iii
    @test0815iii 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    which camera bag did you use in the video

  • @benwelles2160
    @benwelles2160 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Chris and Jordon, back in the days of film how did a photographer shoot an event like a hockey game or something, considering they only had 36 shots in a roll, did they have to time reloading their film during a lull in the action or did they have separate film bodies? I've been wondering about that since the last Nikon f4 video.

    • @JoshuaBoldt
      @JoshuaBoldt 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, someone covering the Olympics would shoot rolls and rolls of film, give them to a delivery service who would deliver them to AP or whatever service they use for delivery to places like Sports Illustrated, and they would get developed and put into papers and magazines the same day sometimes. With a camera like the Nikon F5 it rewinds and reloads very quickly -- you can do the whole rewind/reload in about 7 seconds -- maybe faster if you are a ninja at it -- so you can just wait for a lull during sports, reload, and strategically shoot the important shots like starts, finishes, famous athletes, crashes, etc. You might even sacrifice a partial roll so that you have a full roll at the beginning of something important. You just learn to shoot in shorter bursts like bursts of 3 instead of 20 like with a D5, or be willing to waste a huge burst on a front page moment or huge bursts all around and reload like hell. I've seen guys on TV shoot a half a roll or sometimes a whole roll as basketball players come down the court toward them, then reload while the players go to the other side then shoot another half or full roll on the way back -- you never get back a Micheal Jordan playoff moment. And, yes, some shooters have a roll in a body with a tele lens and roll in a body with a wider lens for when the play gets close, or even a long tele and a slightly shorter tele, or an emergency backup in case they get caught at the end of a roll, etc. You just had to be prepared and know WTF you were doing.

    • @AnandaGarden
      @AnandaGarden 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Okay, I can go back all the way to 1972-76 when I worked as a photo editor at a U.S. sports magazine. We would get photos mailed from the Olympics and other major events at a speed that, for the time, seemed astonishingly quick. Obviously, Mark Shearman and Tony Duffy were sending film daily to their favorite labs that would develop and make prints - very beautifully, I might add - nothing beat Tri-X expertly developed in HC-110 for a dramatic sports mood. At any rate, those wonderful photos were indeed taken on (many) rolls of 36-exposure film, on motor-driven Nikon Fs.

    • @MrJhuang999
      @MrJhuang999 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ben Welles multiple camera bodies

  • @rkfan1012
    @rkfan1012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Epic foreshadowing 6:36

  • @MrPhilbautista
    @MrPhilbautista 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does a Canon 85/1.8 on an MC-11 compare?

  • @franklee813
    @franklee813 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    6:16 that hair got be Tony

  • @MajorMotions
    @MajorMotions 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow look at that incredible DR at 1:18!! What camera was that?

    • @TheCameraStoreTV
      @TheCameraStoreTV  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      GH5 in V-Log. The deepest shadows are a bit blue, I'd grade it differently now.
      Jordan @ TCSTV

  • @TheInternetEnzyme
    @TheInternetEnzyme 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video brings up a question in my mind: how important is OSS in lenses when paired with a body without stabilization? In particular, I'm trying to decide between the Sony 35mm f1.8 and the Sigma 30mm F1.4 The Sigma is sharper and slightly faster (when looking at the T-Stop the Sigma isnt actually much faster) but doesnt have stabilization.
    Which would you get on a unstabilized A6300? How important is stabilization to you?

    • @saiiiiiii1
      @saiiiiiii1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      This really depends on how you plan to use the lens. If you're shooting a lot of portraits with available light, OSS is of pretty much no use. Because you need a minimum shutter speed to make sure you freeze the motion of the person and this shutter speed will be higher than the safe to handhold time for a 30/35mm lens anyway. Using it for the studio with flashes, OSS again doesn't matter.

  • @ALLChaoFAMILY
    @ALLChaoFAMILY 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ยินดีต้อนรับ สู่ประเทศไทยครับ welcome to thailand

  • @Zetaphotography
    @Zetaphotography 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What camera was used for the Stills.

  • @santikaewboonmueng
    @santikaewboonmueng 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wowww thailand. สวัสดีครับผม ผมติดตามรายการคุณมานานมากๆเลย

  • @laginw
    @laginw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    dude, u still in Bangkok, Thailand???
    i'm your big fan, and i'm Thai :)

  • @dozierc
    @dozierc 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    If all A7 are manufactured there why do we have American versions and U.K. Versions of these cameras? Just asking. Thx