God is showing that there are more Christians found outside any church building than are inside them. Stay away from the buildings! That's where sinners go to hide.
I haven't been to church for a few months but i still pray, read the Word, read Christian blogs and watch Christian videos such as real truth real quick every day. I don't let a day go by without soaking up God's word and spending time with Him. Though I admit I miss the fellowship and Bible study groups. I plan on going back
A lot Christians do this but the Apostle Paul reminds us that there is One Lord, One Faith, One baptism and we are one body. Somewhere, a body of Believers are missing your spiritual gifts and you’re missing the fellowship and encouragement with other sisters and brothers in Christ. I pray you’re led to that place where God has for you to worship and fellowship with other Believers.
I have lots of health issues and I'm not able to make church so much . And it Hurts . And I miss out on much of the preaching course therefore and possibly making actual friends there too and well even potential a future partner there. I'm immensely lonely :( and it frustrates me ect
I have been going to the home group (weekly bible study) more often though . Went Thursday gone . I have something to give them I'm sure so it Hurts that I am not able to attend church much more often than I am able too
Incorrect! The bible does not teach anywhere that a Christian has to be apart of a local church to be saved! Fellowship among believers can be done anywhere any time, not just on Sunday in a building made with hands for one hour sitting in a pew listening to someone tell you what we can read for ourselves. I am not against church in anyway, BUT it is in no way a requirement or proof of being saved.. I like this program, but I am really disappointed by this false message. You can say its not "legalistic" all day, but it actually is. To say this isn't a legalistic teaching is like you stealing a candy bar at the store and denying you stole anything and claiming you just took it.
I agree, but with all that being said, you SHOULD be against churches because they are all false church's and in opposition to Christ Himself. Its not instructed not authorized for man to build back up the very temple system that Jesus Himself said He tore down and did away with. True believers do not have to stay connected in a large mass in a temple built specifically for worship. It goes against Christ and what He did. 2, 3, 5, 11, etc. is still believers meeting and can be done in homes etc. But the reason it should not be done in temples built up and labeled churches is because thats a direct and deliberate disobedience to Jesus. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit so its no need to build synagogues just for the purposes of saying we gathered.
Of course you can..... lol this question is a fundamental misunderstanding of the gospel. Christ's salvation stands alone in its offer and its qualification. Once Christ has been supernaturally adopted into your heart, there is nothing that seperates you from that.... of course thats assuming you actually have Christ in your heart. Christ community is extremely important in your walk with christ, just as prayer is, and just as studying God's word is, and just as serving those in need and those that despise you is.... But not belonging specifically to a local community doesnt mean you are not follower. It means you need to find a community to continue to grow in your walk. But it doesnt mean you've not been gifted Christ's gift. And another point of course is that you are already a part of a Christ community. We are all the church, all of us walking with Christ are a community. You already have a church of billions of people.... Just because you dont go see a group of them every sunday doesnt mean you're not in the community. It means you just dont fellowship with your community. Which you should start doing. It doesnt need to be a local church. It can be a reddit forum. It can be a facebook group. It can be a book club. It can be family friends who are believers. It can be belivers at your job that you have lunch with everyday. It can even be your own household. When 2-3 gather in Christ's name, God is there with them. That is "A CHURCH" so to speak. What matters is that you have people that are in the same walk as you who can hold you accountable and pray for you and laugh and cry and work through life with you. It doesnt matter where it is and even how many it is... what matters is that it is.... Of course you can look for a community that best fits you in some ways. For example, maybe you dont have a car so the church right across the street is a great place to start. Or maybe you are very antisocial but spend a ton of time online so maybe look for a online group or chat room of Christians who you can interact with and get to know. Or maybe you grew up in a southern gospel tradition and really miss the hymns and the flow of worship that they do, so looking for that type of community would be the most motivational for you. Or maybe you're native tongue is spanish, so a spanish church community is best for you. Or maybe you are older and seasoned in ministry and want to be surrounded by like minded people so an older commuity would be best for your growth. There's nothing wrong with "church hopping" because its really a false term. You're not hopping from church to church. Your hopping within the church to different small groups and cultures and traditions and styles.... and its important to not get lost in that indevear and to realize that no matter what group you fellowship with, there will ALWAYS be a way in which that group grows you, and a way in which you will grow from that group!!! That's so important.
Hey my I'm going to make a little jab I'm not one of those being mean were you writing a term 1000 words or less. I just want to say I left a church parents were members before I was born eventually tried another don't necessarily agree with the teachings how they interpret I follow Jesus not man Jesus is my Savior no one on earth has what I need for my salvation read the New Testament pray do what is right
I grew up in a church that wanted you to show up, shut up (especially me as a female), and pay up. That's why it feels so unnatural to be involved in a church more than just coming and going. I like blending in and blending out. Also, I'm so skeptical of every church's motives because I've been deceived by non-biblical churches more than once. But I have felt a strong call on my life to be a part of a church the past couple of years. I just don't know which one to choose. It's tough.
Hey I might have been in same church my parents were members before I was born I left after come to know more about them I went to another church don't agree with their teaching I suggest to all read the New Testament pray love one another
I'm so tired of Preachers quoting the scripture, let's not forget about Matthew 18:20, what about that? People are tired of these fake churches all they want is tithes and offerings, and tithes dont have nothing to do with money, people are waking up sorry....
You literally just quoted scriptures. Quoting scriptures is the only valid way of making theological arguments. What you meant to say is that you're tired of preachers quoting scripture out of context.... to which I'd agree with that statement. There is a lot of that that goes on, mostly do to poor literary analysis abilities. But you're right. People are tired of fake churches. To which i'd respond, this is a great opportunity for those of us who realize this to go and re-envision what a community of believes looks like. The best defense is offense. You are also right and saying the tithe has nothing to do with money... it was a portion of ones stocked goods and or life stock that was given away sacrificially... and it was never recorded to have been continued by early followers. That being said, I am honest with myself in realizing that even though the modern tithe is a mislead doctrine, my inclinations to prove this did partially come from a place of greed.... And so i've decided to stop tithing and to instead give a higher percentage than 10% to my church, to the homeless, to organizing youth events from my church..... Even though my church sticks strong to tithing, I know where the money is going and none of my leaders collect a salary..... so I've decided to up my giving and stop my tithe as to avoid leaving tithing doctrine out of self greed. I think that's a healthy balance and a disarming methodology to partake in for anyone who is resistant to what i just said.
I agree somewhat. This is not the case for all churches nor all preachers. There are many of us who do share the truth of God’s Word and try our best to live according to His Word. There’s a whole of misinterpretation of the scriptures and people have used it for personal gain. We do have to start addressing it.
Tim Sharp- I completely understand that. Our churches are filled with members who are sick and shut-in, going through bereavement or have other ailments preventing them from attending corporate worship. For this reason the church must remember that we are to do as the early church did; go see our members, praying with them and partaking of communion. That’s a biggie for me- taking the Gospel to the unchurched and to encourage my sisters and brothers in Christ, who haven’t been in attendance in a while. It’s important that we gather for corporate worship, but we shouldn’t neglect the work of the ministry that should take place outside of the walls of the church.
Every believer in Christ decides how they live their life here on earth. There is no condemnation for those in christ, but there is consequenses in this life for all our actions. Some people are social and some people like to be on their own. Respect eachothers decisions. We do not live under the law. We live under the grace of jesus christ.
@@reachingandgathering You are correct Marie! This is not Biblical. Most people that don't know the Word of God would agree with this man who was taken out of the church and stepped down because of his pride. Please research that.
What an extremely vague question. Define “church” before you ask that. If by church you mean the organized institutional corporate business entity then, yes, you can be a Christian and not be associated with that thing. If you mean a community of people who are believers that function as the biblical Ekklesia, technically the answer is still Yes. There is no biblical REQUIREMENT that a believer meets together regularly with people. Including the misused Hebrews 10:25. Notice how this verse is: • not repeated in any other new covenant writing. • written to Hebrews. • says nothing about “regularity” Church institutions are filled with unbelievers. Do you honestly think everyone in a church is saved? Many covenant church members aren’t even Christians. The Bible says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. Not to have fellowship with darkness and to Come Out from them. Pastors need your money. They need all the bodies they can get to build their empires. So can you be a Christian and not go to church? Perhaps it’s healthier being a Christian and NOT going to church. Find people in your community who you can get together with. Share meals and encourage one another. Do it as much as you can!
Seriously? Bad news for all the sick, elderly, handicapped, and people in other countries that don't have Christian churches. So ludicrous to assume someone can't be a Christian without belonging to a church. Can you imagine if Jesus would have rejected that prisoner on the cross next to him because the guy never went to church? But he didn't, He saw his FAITH and immediately forgave and accepted him.
Emphatically yes! John the Baptist wasn't part of a local church, and Jesus called him the greatest born among women. Noah and his family were kept undefiled from the world by staying away from the world they were trying to warn. I don’t fellowship with believers now. My fellowship is with my family and God.
Does anyone have a problem with their advice on starting your own church if you can't find a suitable one in your town? Does it strike anyone as arrogance when the sacred text of the Bible is interpreted by someone who was "born again" yesterday, and then starts his/her own church deeming all others in the neighborhood unsuitable, inadequate, or not good enough? And where in the Bible is this prescribed?
Its a religious cult so please stat away from it. But really Christianity itself no matter what denomination is the false church system. No true believer should even call themselves a "christian".
Of course you can. Gods church is not a building. Though gathering in His name is good. You can do that outside of a worldly church building. But you shouldn’t forsake assembly with other believers some other way, on a regular basis.
I finally get to go to a church that teaches expository preaching❤️ the music is not the best, so I prayed, it’s getting better. I have no idea yet where to serve, so I’m praying. I go to the woman’s Bible study and I reach out to get to know people, no Friends yet ❤️ praying.
I think in todays world one can be part of an obline community ooff like minded believers. If a pastor cam to and empty church and prached he would evntually stop not seing the point of it. So online when someone posts a video and another person watches it its like an online gathering.
How much times did Jesus go to his local church? And was it the same denomination each time? Was he baptized by that church, or in a church to make vows of membership to that church?
I stumbled upon this channel today on my tenth anniversary of being a christian, I love the real talk and real topics in here. But speaking of this topic my question is, what if there is simply no local church where you are? like in the country you’re in. Thanks for the real talk.
@@enricoisidro3450 It's been sometime since I typed that question. I did join, first, a Baptist church, then after a year I converted to Byzantine Catholic. In the Baptist church I learned what worship isn't. Byzantine Catholics, now that is worship. BTW, Jesus didn't say join a local church. Jesus left us one, universal church, and it is translated as Catholic church.
Yes of course.you can be even without church but its recommended to go to church so that you will not alone in your walk with God as it is written in the bible.and the church he mention is not a building but us.Jesus is the bridegroom and we are the church.
I am disabled, 63, and I live in the mountains. My husband doesn't believe, but I do. It takes a toll on my back driving to far. So, can I not listen to a preacher online?
“By this all will know that you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35) A primary way of showing this love is for disciples of Christ to associate with fellow believers. They would be organized into congregations that meet regularly for worship. (1 Corinthians 16:19; Hebrews 10:24,25) Collectively, they would form a worldwide brotherhood. (1Peter 2:17) 1 Corinthians 1:10 tells worshippers to be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. Those words would make little sense if God wanted people to worship him only as individuals apart from one another. Ephesians 4:2,3 admonishes true worshippers how to act towards one another. How could you comply with this admonition if your worship were independent and detached from other worshippers?
Question is posed as a Church Building and answered as church people but the answer is not the Building like the question suggests. Is a Building a Church? Is the church building controlled by the Government?
Why do we limit assembly to a local church when so many pastors and leaders are busy building their own kingdoms? I see so many churches boast of their activities, promoting their own works amongst themselves. It is about "XYZ Church" ministries, "XYZ Church" works, you must do your part only through this local church. You rarelyu hear churches coming together to be a greater work for Christ. I understand the need for leaders who are to be over many of us. I see more churches lifting themselves to get people in their building than Christ Himself. What is the greatest dilemma is pastors and leaders will not let you serve in your gifts and callings unless you become a member of the church. They judge one more by connections than the fruit and anointing of the Spirit today. As for me, I cannot find a group or church that is out of the "third grade" Christianity. I see so quite a few rather teaching milk than meat. I get they are geared to the newbie crowd, it drowns the rest who really want more in the Word. It most cases, it doesn't resemble the early Church that the disciples built and read in their epistles.
I already know that my comment is either going to get good feedback or ignorant comments. I personally don't go to church anymore for the following reasons. 1.) I am a member of the LGBTQIA+ community (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual + community.) and i am always being judged, harassed, bullied, gossiped about & being persuaded into thinking that i am living in sin & that i need to change. Also i am TIRED of always hearing hateful and ignorant sermons throughout the service where LGBTQIA+ people are always being a trending topic and are basically always being talked shit about. I know that the bible is VERY CLEAR on homosexuality, but i believe that i was made perfect in the lords image and the lord made me this way & loves me for how he made me ❤ 2.) Throughout the years, having experienced 2 religions, growing up roman catholic & being part of the latino catholic community and then converting to protestant christianity at 17 and then attending a latino christian church, i realized that both church communities are filled with ignorant, immature, uneducated, hateful, religious fanatic, & evil people. I have meet one of the WORSE AND EVIL humanbeings in the church community. Religion was man made and will always be governed by man therefore there will be corruption. I would go to church asking for prayer because of intense problems i was dealing with and these people would end up not praying for me and telling me to not wear a pokemon shirt because it was supposedly demonic and would focus on something irrelevant and not the topic. I would invite them to my house (WORSE DECISION) and instead of praying for me and my problems they would focus on my material possessions and would tell me to throw away videogames, clothes, posters, etc. Again not focusing on the topic. The church has become a cult. I grew up surrounded by latino catholics and christians and trust me they are VERY ignorant. I have experienced to much religious trauma and because of that i don't go to church anymore and god knows why.
bless you brother, i’m sorry all those things that happened have caused you pain and grief. If your relationship with Christ is still intact pray for those who have persecuted you and ask God to continue to reveal more of himself to you through his Holy scriptures. Changing your will to be more and more inline with his perfect one. I’m praying for you right now :))
If the scripture is clear and right like the kjv bible is then why don’t u just take what it says and apply it to your life and understand that if you believe something different than what the Bible says the you are wrong it doesn’t madder what you think. I’m praying for you and I will recommend someone to you and that’s a man named Cody zorn, and you should listen to him. He is a bible believeing babtist , and he is kjv only and he is in the old time religion
I've doing some research as I stopped going to church after giving my life to Christ 7 years ago. All that time I have been heavily involved in church but never felt accepted as a single women. I stopped attending and no one has reached out to me. I'm confused if to be a part of the local church but not to be accepted.
Hi. If you feel like the church is not accepting you then it is a clear sign that you should probably not go. You can still have a stronng relationship with God and Jesus without going to church, do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Use the time that you would usually spend at church praying and reading the bible yourself. If you pray, you will get guidence.
MrHotbulldozer 1st Timothy 4:13. I believe we are to go to Church. But I also believe you can be a part of the body of Christ without. But why would you want to not be obedient.
Jesus didn't promise us a church ... he only commanded us to follow him and obey him, every believer can have a home gathering not a church in particular, the reason all these church preachers talk about church is because they might loose all the believers hard earned money given as tithes and offering, no churches on earth speaks the true gospel, if they did so people won't attent church for sure. They would have their own gathering @ homes. Why are these churches so greedy after money. There is more truth about jesus outside the bible that these pastors don't wanna share.
Great words Pastor Todd , yes we can be Christians without a church but not a healthy Christian, just like if you are saved but don't read the bible ,pray or worship . You hit on the main points very well and clearly , my pastor recently preached on this topic too , great job here .
I want us to address these questions for purpose of clarity. (1) When a church is established,who owns the church? Is it the pastor, the brethren or Christ. Today many Pastors claim ownership of Churches which they claim is for Christ. If it is for Christ then it belongs to the Pastor and brethren in all ramifications. I don't think any of the Apostles lay claim to ownership of a church. Many Pastors are busy erecting buildings for God they don't see and neglecting the people they see. Many build schools in Gods Name in which the members can barely afford etc. The purpose of coming together as church or one body for each other is not true in practice. Many are discouraged because the gathering tends to benefit the pastor or church owner than the entire brethren. I don't know how many times the Apostles attended Churches in those days but I know they were always on the field spreading the good news not in the church building. They move from house to house for this purpose. Today we see buildings here and there while many members are homeless and hungry.
Good point. I disagree with the gentlemen in this video. They're conflating _"church"_ with the _"body of Christ."_ The church is *not* the bride of Christ. Church is a man-made religious institution that's ran like a corporation and it's not found in the New Testament. The primary goal of church is to stay open for business, not edify the body of Christ. The gospel of salvation is not meant to generate revenue for a corporation.
First of all, GOD'S church was established by God long aga and NONE of these buildings are His churches. So anyone who is "establishing" any so called church is establishing a FALSE church. Second, where does the idea come from that its a "pastor's" job to preach weekly to the church? Pastor is one of the 5 spiritual offices which only the Holy Spirit can ordain someone function in, and NOWHERE in scripture does it say that what is called a pastor today is the function of pastors.
Jonathan Grandt Why did Paul go around forming a bunch of churches? Why did he not go alone, but surround himself with other believers who could strengthen each other in their mission? Why were his letters addressed to the churches of these towns and not individuals? Because Paul acknowledged the importance of gathering with other believers in one's Christian walk because not even Paul was a lone-wolf bastion of the faith, but had others to assist him.
Paul did not "join" a local church. There was no such thing as a local church,, there is only ONE true church and the members of it are all over the place. He preached the gospel to unbelievers. He did not go around forming churches, he was speading the gospel of Jesus Christ which added more believers to God's ONE true Church.
@@limpingllama57 thats not a very good interpretation of what Paul was doing. The function of an apostle is to spread the gospel to unbelievers going from place to place doing so. Gathering in the context which people use it today not what they were doing in biblical times. It takes some studying and allowing the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture for any of us to really understand that Christianity is false and not teaching scripture in the context which it is written.
So if there are no other christians one is doomed? Or if you are sick and can't leave your home, you are out in the cold... Come on, that's the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time.
Some also say that scripture is taking out of context. You can fellowship without going to church. Most people in church aren't living for God anyways. There is no fellowship, everybody acting like they perfect
Joe Momma exactly. It’s quoted in Jude and I agree it would’ve been included with the 66 others. But it seems to only strengthen the Word and doesn’t conflict with anything. Yet, not needed but good to understand 🙏🏼👍
Joe Momma Well it does say that the fallen will die like men, The fallen know that they have screwed up royally against the holy God ,I think the only way it glorifies them is because they were intelligent, teaching us weaponry, teaching women how to adorn themselves ,such things as that, I found it very interesting.
Agree with most what was discussed, but......to define an organized church as a 501C3 (5:45) is absolutely ridiculous. Especially now (2021) with these churches bowing down to whatever states governors tell them what to do unless their tax exempt status will be revoked.
Most Churches are more business then preaching the right words of God..they are confusing I I beleive the only way to not be confused is to have Jesus himself guides you,teaches you.
It amazes me to see the picture painted of us that are looking for holy fellowship, to breath and live Jesus in our lives like some weirdo-disorganized-religion-promoters (HA HA AMAZING JOKE :/). Since I've been born again I have tried going to different churches and they just seem to want you to do what your pastor says. agree with their view, and be socially accepted. There is no open rebuke, exhortation, there is no questioning of traditions, there is no permission for us that gave our whole life to Jesus after seeing the times we leave in and the deception everywhere to point out, start discussions without being looked on as crazy. I see no difference between what they called "church" to a social group. ekklesia was supposed to be - Call out. What I see now is the "let's blend in the world and accept as much deception possible" and if someone dares to question it.. give simple general short answers, quote scripture we pretend to follow and make fun of them! Peter walked with Jesus and was openly rebuked by Paul. But DONT YOU DARE SPEAK A WORD AGAINST ORGANIZED CHURCH, YOU ANARCHIST.
But the church today worship on Sunday, the day the Roman Catholic Church instituted!. Can a real Christian still worship on the first day of the week or on the Sabbath?!
Todays church services do not include the church getting on their knees before the Living God in prayer or Worship.;Baptism is not a commandment (see Mark 16:16) ; and filled with pastors who have a myriad of false teaching or interpretations to WOW the audience. They encourage you to read televangelist books of horrors when The Word of God is all you need. There is enough in the Book to last a lifetime 100 times over in the Bible. You ARE a part of the local church when you are saved....you are grafted in and adopted by the Father into his family. Your acceptance does not hinge on whether you go to church...Matter of fact, if you are saved you take the church (body) along with you.... As we are ONE in the Spirit.
What he is saying is unbalanced. People can be wonderful christians and love the Lord and not go to church . And churches worth going too are getting harder and harder to find in these days of the Laodacean apostate church . The word CHURCH is a blanket word . You are still a part of the body of Christ and part of the " church " without going to a church building . A building is NOT the church . The people are the church .
I went down the list watching these videos and non of these men and women want to admit that you don't have to go to a building to find the holy spirit ,or find Jesus ..... .... and they won't say it because If they do where in the world will they get all the money they are pocketing ?
The world is passing away and so is it's desire. But he that does the Will of the Father, remains forever." Who's will did Jesus do? Did Jesus please himself? Who are the Christians, who love God? Love their Neighbors? They do no harm to anyone. They don't kill others of different religions. They have love among themselves. This love is a way of life, not limited to a local building. But it covers the globe. Jesus said that they would have that as an identifying mark. They speak the same, cause they are taught by the same person in heaven. And he is the One that taught His son, Jesus. Jesus is the Head of the Heavenly Congregation. This congregation is hand picked by the Almighty Father, for the son. And the Christian Congregation on earth, share the Oneness that Jesus and Jehovah God have. They have covered the earth with the message of love, hope and the solution to every problem that we've seen in our short lifetime. The Good News of the Kingdom in heaven. They recognize Jesus Christ as King. They completely follow Jesus and understand the theme and purpose of the Bible. They understand that the faithful men of old like Noah, Moses and Abraham. Walked with God not being Christian but being friends of God. Following Jesus Christ, doing as he did and what he said do is a requirement in living the life as a Christian.
You dont need to ascribe to a church to be chrisitan. We join together willingly to praise god, not because we get looked down on by the churches because we missed a sunday...that's absurd...we are all together in spirit and our bodies being distanced doesnt mean we are distanced. In spirit we are with god and god is everywhere so we are with god everywhere, you walk in prayer not just by putting your hands together saying let us pray.
We were made for community ,we are better together ! So here's some truth on this topic from Pastor Rick Warren : Community: God’s Answer to Defeat Who’s watching out for you? You need people who will defend you, stand up for you and protect you, help you stay on track, and warn you. We all need this, because we all have blind spots. Philippians 2:4 says, “Look out for one another’s interest, not just your own” (TEV). If you want a counter-culture verse, that’s it! In America, the general idea is it’s all about “me” - my needs, my interests, my wants, and my ambitions. But the Bible says we should care about each other. We’re family! As brothers and sisters in God’s family, we should defend each other and help each other stay on track. Since Sept. 11, 2001, we’ve all been more vigilant in watching out for each other. But did you know that you have an enemy far more destructive than terrorists? Oh, yes! You have a personal enemy, and he hates your guts. His name is Satan. He wants to mess up your life. He wants to ruin your relationships. He wants to defeat you. Why would he do that? Because he can’t hurt God. When you can’t hurt somebody, what do you do? You go after their children. Satan can’t hurt God, so he tries to hurt God’s children. When Satan attacks you, he doesn’t come in a little red costume with a pitchfork and say, “Boo!” How does Satan mess up your life? Through habits you can’t break, through hurts that you won’t let go of, through problems and circumstances, through relationships that break your heart. Most Christians are defeated, because we try to fight Satan on our own. That’s stupid! You’re never going to win against the devil on your own. You need other people who will watch out for you and help you. Community is God’s answer to defeat. You need to find the people who will stand with you in tough times and say, “We’re not going to let you get discouraged. We’re not going to let you get depressed. We’re not going to let you worry. We’re going to stay here with you." “A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple braided cord is not easily broken” (Ecclesiastes 4:12 NLT, second edition).
I'll save you six minutes. Yes, if know Yeshua and have a relationship with him. He's your King and savior. Through grace you are saved if you accept it. You walk the way he walked, following the commandments of His Father, Yahweh. End of story.
Possible but not right. A believer in Christ will note how the NT epistles all assume they are talking to church members. Submission to elders is not possible unless one is a member of a church. This is not something that should be done just because it is wise or practical. To not be a member of a particular church is not biblical option. Even though one may be saved without 100% correct theology does not make an exception a rule.
I disagree. One's salvation has nothing to do with a local church. The local church is worldly. Salvation is eternal and personal. We are not saved to be part of a local church. We are saved to become children of God.
I will pray for you. Maybe you should contact the church and ask if they can help. I was stranded with a broken down car, deserted by my husband, living isolated on a cut off road with no access to town on foot or buses, also scared of going into a church as I'd been affected by bad religion before. But when I got a church magazine through my door I wrote to the editor as I disagreed on interpretation of a,scripture. Then he called on me, we got into a discussion and he offered to drive me to church with his wife. I was shy and nervous and wary I might be sinning by being in the wrong church, but gradually I joined in when I realised it was so right. I missed out for years on so many good friends. Just ask and I know they'll send someone appropriate to help you.
Church isnt a place.... its a people. Find Christians that you live nearby, and see if you guys can meet up at a coffee shop or a library or one of your homes. Or find Christians online in forums or facebook groups or on twitch while you're watching live streams and see if you guys can start a separate group or forum or chat and do weekly checkups and video chats or whatever. Its about community and fellowship.... not about dressing up to go to a building.
@@leonscott543 All those things are good, but not the same as meeting up in person to worship. I used to debate online and did converse with Christians from all over the world. They helped me unravel some of the false teachings I'd been indoctrinated with before. Where I go now, they don't look down on me if I can't afford to dress up. The cult I was a part of with my husband years back, would shun you if you didn't abide by their dress code. That was no beards for men, a smart suit and tie. Women had to wear long skirts or dresses and tights, no trousers allowed. Now I feel so relaxed and free. I often just wear jeans. Everyone there smiles at me and I love the joyful worship music and praise. It's good to see people excited to be in the presence of God. You don't get that online and it was the opposite when I was in a high control religion before. Definitely go to church and be encouraged. I got healing with the laying on of hands and it was amazing!
Hebrews 10 is written to Hebrews who were believers but for political or social reasons not outwardly professing their faith when convenient. Sounds like when Peter denied Christ 3 times. TIME OUT. Sanctification happens AT CONVERSION! Sanctification means CLEANSED AND SET APART. It NEVER MEANS progressively becoming like Christ. Totally untrue. According to many pastors Salvation is by grace through faith and works. Sanctification is part of salvation. So many false dichotomies in this. Not being part of an organized church suddenly becomes a disorganized thing? Stop lol. Clueless men. You still can’t figure out why so many people leave your Quadriplegic bodies?
@@timsharpe6652 2nd Timothy 2:15 says to rightly divide the word of Truth. Dispensationalism is dividing the word of Truth for example believing that God dealt with different people differently throughout time like with methods of salvation. An easy example is people were saved differently before the Mosaic law, then when God gave Moses the law to be saved people had to follow the law. Today salvation comes through grace through faith. without dispensationalism people combine parts of the Bible that aren't meant to be together and breed heresy.
Lisa young too sick?? Well there are exceptions!! Be blessed. The heart knows your heart. Are you able to listen or watch an online church? So you feel more like in attendance. 🤗
Well you say go find the right one and well there is no right one because a lot of them don't preach the truth they want to tickle their ears but not preach the truth so my friend I have a big beef with that a big beef with that and then there's a lot of other things that go on the behind the scenes of the church like pastors doing do what I do what I say but not as I do you know and stuff like that and what have you and blah blah blah blah I can list the whole thing and yeah so no thank you yeah you can be a Christian and still not go to church
But a lot of them are not godly a lot of them are like they say that they love you they act like they do but they fake it to make it you know ever heard of that come on now let's be real here okay and there's a lot of churches don't Don't preach the truth either so you got that to think about too so booyah
Faith is never alone is nonsense you guys are slipping works in the back door. Don’t look to your works to know if you’re saved. Look to what Jesus said. “He who believes in me has life. “Keep it simple. You are teaching a work salvation. Shame on you.
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Church is not a building but a group of believers that gather. Just my opinion.
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That’s not an opinion. It’s a literal fact.
You're absolutely correct. These are more false teachers.
I've attended 3 different Churches in my area and been bullied in all 3. It's not my choice but being a Bible Christian at home is now my only way.
Pray and God will show you where to go.Put him first and everything will follow.
God is showing that there are more Christians found outside any church building than are inside them. Stay away from the buildings! That's where sinners go to hide.
Church buildings, a place to go to spend your money.
Church buildings, a place to SHOW UP, SHUT UP, & PAY UP!!!!!!
I haven't been to church for a few months but i still pray, read the Word, read Christian blogs and watch Christian videos such as real truth real quick every day. I don't let a day go by without soaking up God's word and spending time with Him. Though I admit I miss the fellowship and Bible study groups. I plan on going back
A lot Christians do this but the Apostle Paul reminds us that there is One Lord, One Faith, One baptism and we are one body. Somewhere, a body of Believers are missing your spiritual gifts and you’re missing the fellowship and encouragement with other sisters and brothers in Christ. I pray you’re led to that place where God has for you to worship and fellowship with other Believers.
I have lots of health issues and I'm not able to make church so much . And it Hurts . And I miss out on much of the preaching course therefore and possibly making actual friends there too and well even potential a future partner there. I'm immensely lonely :( and it frustrates me ect
I have been going to the home group (weekly bible study) more often though . Went Thursday gone . I have something to give them I'm sure so it Hurts that I am not able to attend church much more often than I am able too
Do not go back. These buildings called churches are all apostate and they teach false teachings and traditions of men that are in opposition to Jesus.
Incorrect! The bible does not teach anywhere that a Christian has to be apart of a local church to be saved! Fellowship among believers can be done anywhere any time, not just on Sunday in a building made with hands for one hour sitting in a pew listening to someone tell you what we can read for ourselves. I am not against church in anyway, BUT it is in no way a requirement or proof of being saved.. I like this program, but I am really disappointed by this false message. You can say its not "legalistic" all day, but it actually is. To say this isn't a legalistic teaching is like you stealing a candy bar at the store and denying you stole anything and claiming you just took it.
I agree, but with all that being said, you SHOULD be against churches because they are all false church's and in opposition to Christ Himself. Its not instructed not authorized for man to build back up the very temple system that Jesus Himself said He tore down and did away with. True believers do not have to stay connected in a large mass in a temple built specifically for worship. It goes against Christ and what He did. 2, 3, 5, 11, etc. is still believers meeting and can be done in homes etc. But the reason it should not be done in temples built up and labeled churches is because thats a direct and deliberate disobedience to Jesus. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit so its no need to build synagogues just for the purposes of saying we gathered.
Of course you can..... lol this question is a fundamental misunderstanding of the gospel. Christ's salvation stands alone in its offer and its qualification. Once Christ has been supernaturally adopted into your heart, there is nothing that seperates you from that.... of course thats assuming you actually have Christ in your heart.
Christ community is extremely important in your walk with christ, just as prayer is, and just as studying God's word is, and just as serving those in need and those that despise you is.... But not belonging specifically to a local community doesnt mean you are not follower. It means you need to find a community to continue to grow in your walk. But it doesnt mean you've not been gifted Christ's gift.
And another point of course is that you are already a part of a Christ community. We are all the church, all of us walking with Christ are a community. You already have a church of billions of people.... Just because you dont go see a group of them every sunday doesnt mean you're not in the community. It means you just dont fellowship with your community. Which you should start doing. It doesnt need to be a local church. It can be a reddit forum. It can be a facebook group. It can be a book club. It can be family friends who are believers. It can be belivers at your job that you have lunch with everyday. It can even be your own household. When 2-3 gather in Christ's name, God is there with them. That is "A CHURCH" so to speak. What matters is that you have people that are in the same walk as you who can hold you accountable and pray for you and laugh and cry and work through life with you. It doesnt matter where it is and even how many it is... what matters is that it is....
Of course you can look for a community that best fits you in some ways. For example, maybe you dont have a car so the church right across the street is a great place to start. Or maybe you are very antisocial but spend a ton of time online so maybe look for a online group or chat room of Christians who you can interact with and get to know. Or maybe you grew up in a southern gospel tradition and really miss the hymns and the flow of worship that they do, so looking for that type of community would be the most motivational for you. Or maybe you're native tongue is spanish, so a spanish church community is best for you. Or maybe you are older and seasoned in ministry and want to be surrounded by like minded people so an older commuity would be best for your growth. There's nothing wrong with "church hopping" because its really a false term. You're not hopping from church to church. Your hopping within the church to different small groups and cultures and traditions and styles.... and its important to not get lost in that indevear and to realize that no matter what group you fellowship with, there will ALWAYS be a way in which that group grows you, and a way in which you will grow from that group!!! That's so important.
Hey my I'm going to make a little jab I'm not one of those being mean were you writing a term 1000 words or less. I just want to say I left a church parents were members before I was born eventually tried another don't necessarily agree with the teachings how they interpret I follow Jesus not man Jesus is my Savior no one on earth has what I need for my salvation read the New Testament pray do what is right
I grew up in a church that wanted you to show up, shut up (especially me as a female), and pay up. That's why it feels so unnatural to be involved in a church more than just coming and going. I like blending in and blending out. Also, I'm so skeptical of every church's motives because I've been deceived by non-biblical churches more than once. But I have felt a strong call on my life to be a part of a church the past couple of years. I just don't know which one to choose. It's tough.
Hey I might have been in same church my parents were members before I was born I left after come to know more about them I went to another church don't agree with their teaching I suggest to all read the New Testament pray love one another
Keep praying about it and the holy spirit will lead you he will let you know God bless My sister
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@R. R. I have to agree Amen well said....
@@Sunshinejkc Thank you! You are right. God bless you too. ❤
I do think all christians should be part of a local church....home church or whatever. Have to be around other believers. Don't be isolated guys.
Yeass Amen Thanks
I agree it it's solid and not well heritical and all
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I agree just sad most only into money. Or focus on things of the world. Sigh glad I never gave up found a good one at last
Kevin B amen
I'm so tired of Preachers quoting the scripture, let's not forget about Matthew 18:20, what about that? People are tired of these fake churches all they want is tithes and offerings, and tithes dont have nothing to do with money, people are waking up sorry....
You literally just quoted scriptures. Quoting scriptures is the only valid way of making theological arguments. What you meant to say is that you're tired of preachers quoting scripture out of context.... to which I'd agree with that statement. There is a lot of that that goes on, mostly do to poor literary analysis abilities.
But you're right. People are tired of fake churches. To which i'd respond, this is a great opportunity for those of us who realize this to go and re-envision what a community of believes looks like. The best defense is offense.
You are also right and saying the tithe has nothing to do with money... it was a portion of ones stocked goods and or life stock that was given away sacrificially... and it was never recorded to have been continued by early followers. That being said, I am honest with myself in realizing that even though the modern tithe is a mislead doctrine, my inclinations to prove this did partially come from a place of greed.... And so i've decided to stop tithing and to instead give a higher percentage than 10% to my church, to the homeless, to organizing youth events from my church..... Even though my church sticks strong to tithing, I know where the money is going and none of my leaders collect a salary..... so I've decided to up my giving and stop my tithe as to avoid leaving tithing doctrine out of self greed.
I think that's a healthy balance and a disarming methodology to partake in for anyone who is resistant to what i just said.
@@leonscott543 that's what I'm saying thanks for the correction brother!!
@@leonscott543 but you knew what I meant right?
I agree somewhat. This is not the case for all churches nor all preachers. There are many of us who do share the truth of God’s Word and try our best to live according to His Word.
There’s a whole of misinterpretation of the scriptures and people have used it for personal gain. We do have to start addressing it.
Tim Sharp- I completely understand that. Our churches are filled with members who are sick and shut-in, going through bereavement or have other ailments preventing them from attending corporate worship. For this reason the church must remember that we are to do as the early church did; go see our members, praying with them and partaking of communion. That’s a biggie for me- taking the Gospel to the unchurched and to encourage my sisters and brothers in Christ, who haven’t been in attendance in a while. It’s important that we gather for corporate worship, but we shouldn’t neglect the work of the ministry that should take place outside of the walls of the church.
Every believer in Christ decides how they live their life here on earth.
There is no condemnation for those in christ, but there is consequenses in this life for all our actions. Some people are social and some people like to be on their own. Respect eachothers decisions.
We do not live under the law.
We live under the grace of jesus christ.
J.C V This is based on human feeling and emotion. This is not biblical. As believers we are to live according to the Will, Way and Word of God.
@@reachingandgathering You are correct Marie! This is not Biblical. Most people that don't know the Word of God would agree with this man who was taken out of the church and stepped down because of his pride. Please research that.
What an extremely vague question. Define “church” before you ask that.
If by church you mean the organized institutional corporate business entity then, yes, you can be a Christian and not be associated with that thing.
If you mean a community of people who are believers that function as the biblical Ekklesia, technically the answer is still Yes. There is no biblical REQUIREMENT that a believer meets together regularly with people. Including the misused Hebrews 10:25. Notice how this verse is:
• not repeated in any other new covenant writing.
• written to Hebrews.
• says nothing about “regularity”
Church institutions are filled with unbelievers. Do you honestly think everyone in a church is saved? Many covenant church members aren’t even Christians. The Bible says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. Not to have fellowship with darkness and to Come Out from them.
Pastors need your money. They need all the bodies they can get to build their empires.
So can you be a Christian and not go to church? Perhaps it’s healthier being a Christian and NOT going to church.
Find people in your community who you can get together with. Share meals and encourage one another. Do it as much as you can!
Seriously? Bad news for all the sick, elderly, handicapped, and people in other countries that don't have Christian churches. So ludicrous to assume someone can't be a Christian without belonging to a church. Can you imagine if Jesus would have rejected that prisoner on the cross next to him because the guy never went to church? But he didn't, He saw his FAITH and immediately forgave and accepted him.
Emphatically yes! John the Baptist wasn't part of a local church, and Jesus called him the greatest born among women. Noah and his family were kept undefiled from the world by staying away from the world they were trying to warn. I don’t fellowship with believers now. My fellowship is with my family and God.
Very good, I agree completely. Blessings
Does anyone have a problem with their advice on starting your own church if you can't find a suitable one in your town? Does it strike anyone as arrogance when the sacred text of the Bible is interpreted by someone who was "born again" yesterday, and then starts his/her own church deeming all others in the neighborhood unsuitable, inadequate, or not good enough? And where in the Bible is this prescribed?
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"what is Seventh day Adventism?" please make a video on this
Its a religious cult so please stat away from it. But really Christianity itself no matter what denomination is the false church system. No true believer should even call themselves a "christian".
Of course you can. Gods church is not a building. Though gathering in His name is good. You can do that outside of a worldly church building. But you shouldn’t forsake assembly with other believers some other way, on a regular basis.
I finally get to go to a church that teaches expository preaching❤️ the music is not the best, so I prayed, it’s getting better. I have no idea yet where to serve, so I’m praying. I go to the woman’s Bible study and I reach out to get to know people, no Friends yet ❤️ praying.
I think in todays world one can be part of an obline community ooff like minded believers. If a pastor cam to and empty church and prached he would evntually stop not seing the point of it. So online when someone posts a video and another person watches it its like an online gathering.
How much times did Jesus go to his local church? And was it the same denomination each time? Was he baptized by that church, or in a church to make vows of membership to that church?
What if the church is not biblical?
Kiran Kumar Manchala what church IS biblical?
@@JonathanGrandt the one that follows the bible
Certainly don't go to an NAR say !! So yeah not a bad one !! 😇
Like this one?
@@JonathanGrandt EXACTLY!!! Thank you!!
I stumbled upon this channel today on my tenth anniversary of being a christian, I love the real talk and real topics in here.
But speaking of this topic my question is, what if there is simply no local church where you are? like in the country you’re in.
Thanks for the real talk.
Didn't the thief on a cross next to Jesus get saved? He never went to church.
Everyone did.... because Jesus said so...
if you're in the same predicament as the thief you need not join a church, but you're not.
@@enricoisidro3450 It's been sometime since I typed that question. I did join, first, a Baptist church, then after a year I converted to Byzantine Catholic. In the Baptist church I learned what worship isn't. Byzantine Catholics, now that is worship. BTW, Jesus didn't say join a local church. Jesus left us one, universal church, and it is translated as Catholic church.
Yes of course.you can be even without church but its recommended to go to church so that you will not alone in your walk with God as it is written in the bible.and the church he mention is not a building but us.Jesus is the bridegroom and we are the church.
I am disabled, 63, and I live in the mountains. My husband doesn't believe, but I do. It takes a toll on my back driving to far. So, can I not listen to a preacher online?
Kimba Daniels I would say. Of course you can!! You do what you CAN do. For the Lord knows your heart and worship you can do for Him. Blessings 🤗
“By this all will know that you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35) A primary way of showing this love is for disciples of Christ to associate with fellow believers. They would be organized into congregations that meet regularly for worship. (1 Corinthians 16:19; Hebrews 10:24,25) Collectively, they would form a worldwide brotherhood. (1Peter 2:17)
1 Corinthians 1:10 tells worshippers to be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. Those words would make little sense if God wanted people to worship him only as individuals apart from one another. Ephesians 4:2,3 admonishes true worshippers how to act towards one another. How could you comply with this admonition if your worship were independent and detached from other worshippers?
Church buildings are MERE places to Show up, Shut up, and then PAY UP!!!
Question is posed as a Church Building and answered as church people but the answer is not the Building like the question suggests.
Is a Building a Church? Is the church building controlled by the Government?
Why do we limit assembly to a local church when so many pastors and leaders are busy building their own kingdoms? I see so many churches boast of their activities, promoting their own works amongst themselves. It is about "XYZ Church" ministries, "XYZ Church" works, you must do your part only through this local church. You rarelyu hear churches coming together to be a greater work for Christ.
I understand the need for leaders who are to be over many of us. I see more churches lifting themselves to get people in their building than Christ Himself.
What is the greatest dilemma is pastors and leaders will not let you serve in your gifts and callings unless you become a member of the church. They judge one more by connections than the fruit and anointing of the Spirit today.
As for me, I cannot find a group or church that is out of the "third grade" Christianity. I see so quite a few rather teaching milk than meat. I get they are geared to the newbie crowd, it drowns the rest who really want more in the Word.
It most cases, it doesn't resemble the early Church that the disciples built and read in their epistles.
I already know that my comment is either going to get good feedback or ignorant comments. I personally don't go to church anymore for the following reasons. 1.) I am a member of the LGBTQIA+ community (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual + community.) and i am always being judged, harassed, bullied, gossiped about & being persuaded into thinking that i am living in sin & that i need to change. Also i am TIRED of always hearing hateful and ignorant sermons throughout the service where LGBTQIA+ people are always being a trending topic and are basically always being talked shit about. I know that the bible is VERY CLEAR on homosexuality, but i believe that i was made perfect in the lords image and the lord made me this way & loves me for how he made me ❤ 2.) Throughout the years, having experienced 2 religions, growing up roman catholic & being part of the latino catholic community and then converting to protestant christianity at 17 and then attending a latino christian church, i realized that both church communities are filled with ignorant, immature, uneducated, hateful, religious fanatic, & evil people. I have meet one of the WORSE AND EVIL humanbeings in the church community. Religion was man made and will always be governed by man therefore there will be corruption. I would go to church asking for prayer because of intense problems i was dealing with and these people would end up not praying for me and telling me to not wear a pokemon shirt because it was supposedly demonic and would focus on something irrelevant and not the topic. I would invite them to my house (WORSE DECISION) and instead of praying for me and my problems they would focus on my material possessions and would tell me to throw away videogames, clothes, posters, etc. Again not focusing on the topic. The church has become a cult. I grew up surrounded by latino catholics and christians and trust me they are VERY ignorant. I have experienced to much religious trauma and because of that i don't go to church anymore and god knows why.
bless you brother, i’m sorry all those things that happened have caused you pain and grief. If your relationship with Christ is still intact pray for those who have persecuted you and ask God to continue to reveal more of himself to you through his Holy scriptures. Changing your will to be more and more inline with his perfect one. I’m praying for you right now :))
If the scripture is clear and right like the kjv bible is then why don’t u just take what it says and apply it to your life and understand that if you believe something different than what the Bible says the you are wrong it doesn’t madder what you think. I’m praying for you and I will recommend someone to you and that’s a man named Cody zorn, and you should listen to him. He is a bible believeing babtist , and he is kjv only and he is in the old time religion
I've doing some research as I stopped going to church after giving my life to Christ 7 years ago. All that time I have been heavily involved in church but never felt accepted as a single women. I stopped attending and no one has reached out to me. I'm confused if to be a part of the local church but not to be accepted.
Hi. If you feel like the church is not accepting you then it is a clear sign that you should probably not go. You can still have a stronng relationship with God and Jesus without going to church, do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Use the time that you would usually spend at church praying and reading the bible yourself. If you pray, you will get guidence.
We're not supposed to go to church.
What do you do, if you can’t find a compatible church? Many of them insist on preaching partisan politics.
Thank you very much. This may help me get my brother to go. Keep spreading the Word of Truth. God Bless🙏🏼
There is no truth in that, and why do you want to manipiulate your brother, sounds evil to me.
R. R. Thank you. 1st Timothy 4:13. So I believe he is stating to go to Church ya know.
MrHotbulldozer 1st Timothy 4:13. I believe we are to go to Church. But I also believe you can be a part of the body of Christ without. But why would you want to not be obedient.
Jesus didn't promise us a church ... he only commanded us to follow him and obey him, every believer can have a home gathering not a church in particular, the reason all these church preachers talk about church is because they might loose all the believers hard earned money given as tithes and offering, no churches on earth speaks the true gospel, if they did so people won't attent church for sure. They would have their own gathering @ homes. Why are these churches so greedy after money. There is more truth about jesus outside the bible that these pastors don't wanna share.
Great words Pastor Todd , yes we can be Christians without a church but not a healthy Christian, just like if you are saved but don't read the bible ,pray or worship . You hit on the main points very well and clearly , my pastor recently preached on this topic too , great job here .
I want us to address these questions for purpose of clarity.
(1) When a church is established,who owns the church? Is it the pastor, the brethren or Christ. Today many Pastors claim ownership of Churches which they claim is for Christ. If it is for Christ then it belongs to the Pastor and brethren in all ramifications. I don't think any of the Apostles lay claim to ownership of a church. Many Pastors are busy erecting buildings for God they don't see and neglecting the people they see. Many build schools in Gods Name in which the members can barely afford etc. The purpose of coming together as church or one body for each other is not true in practice. Many are discouraged because the gathering tends to benefit the pastor or church owner than the entire brethren. I don't know how many times the Apostles attended Churches in those days but I know they were always on the field spreading the good news not in the church building. They move from house to house for this purpose. Today we see buildings here and there while many members are homeless and hungry.
Good point. I disagree with the gentlemen in this video. They're conflating _"church"_ with the _"body of Christ."_
The church is *not* the bride of Christ. Church is a man-made religious institution that's ran like a corporation and it's not found in the New Testament. The primary goal of church is to stay open for business, not edify the body of Christ. The gospel of salvation is not meant to generate revenue for a corporation.
First of all, GOD'S church was established by God long aga and NONE of these buildings are His churches. So anyone who is "establishing" any so called church is establishing a FALSE church. Second, where does the idea come from that its a "pastor's" job to preach weekly to the church? Pastor is one of the 5 spiritual offices which only the Holy Spirit can ordain someone function in, and NOWHERE in scripture does it say that what is called a pastor today is the function of pastors.
Todd, what if you don’t agree with how the pastor goes about things?
You should disagree with going to church all together.
Quiz... how long was Paul a believer before he joined a local church?
Sorry, trick question.
Jonathan Grandt Why did Paul go around forming a bunch of churches? Why did he not go alone, but surround himself with other believers who could strengthen each other in their mission? Why were his letters addressed to the churches of these towns and not individuals? Because Paul acknowledged the importance of gathering with other believers in one's Christian walk because not even Paul was a lone-wolf bastion of the faith, but had others to assist him.
Paul did not "join" a local church. There was no such thing as a local church,, there is only ONE true church and the members of it are all over the place. He preached the gospel to unbelievers. He did not go around forming churches, he was speading the gospel of Jesus Christ which added more believers to God's ONE true Church.
@@limpingllama57 thats not a very good interpretation of what Paul was doing. The function of an apostle is to spread the gospel to unbelievers going from place to place doing so. Gathering in the context which people use it today not what they were doing in biblical times. It takes some studying and allowing the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture for any of us to really understand that Christianity is false and not teaching scripture in the context which it is written.
So if there are no other christians one is doomed? Or if you are sick and can't leave your home, you are out in the cold... Come on, that's the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time.
Your body is a church.
Christians don't go to church, they are the church.
Sky High exactly we are the church.
We are the church ,but a hand without a body is dismembered and orphan . We were made for community not isolation .
Some also say that scripture is taking out of context. You can fellowship without going to church. Most people in church aren't living for God anyways. There is no fellowship, everybody acting like they perfect
Should we read 2nd temple writings such as book of Enoch????
Aaron Josef I would love to know that as well. I truly believe it should have been canonical . It only strengthens the scriptures
Enoch is good to read
Joe Momma exactly. It’s quoted in Jude and I agree it would’ve been included with the 66 others. But it seems to only strengthen the Word and doesn’t conflict with anything. Yet, not needed but good to understand 🙏🏼👍
Joe Momma Well it does say that the fallen will die like men, The fallen know that they have screwed up royally against the holy God ,I think the only way it glorifies them is because they were intelligent, teaching us weaponry, teaching women how to adorn themselves ,such things as that, I found it very interesting.
Agree with most what was discussed, but......to define an organized church as a 501C3 (5:45) is absolutely ridiculous. Especially now (2021) with these churches bowing down to whatever states governors tell them what to do unless their tax exempt status will be revoked.
A hand without a body is exactly a Christian without a church , great reference .
Most Churches are more business then preaching the right words of God..they are confusing I I beleive the only way to not be confused is to have Jesus himself guides you,teaches you.
It amazes me to see the picture painted of us that are looking for holy fellowship, to breath and live Jesus in our lives like some weirdo-disorganized-religion-promoters (HA HA AMAZING JOKE :/). Since I've been born again I have tried going to different churches and they just seem to want you to do what your pastor says. agree with their view, and be socially accepted. There is no open rebuke, exhortation, there is no questioning of traditions, there is no permission for us that gave our whole life to Jesus after seeing the times we leave in and the deception everywhere to point out, start discussions without being looked on as crazy. I see no difference between what they called "church" to a social group. ekklesia was supposed to be - Call out. What I see now is the "let's blend in the world and accept as much deception possible" and if someone dares to question it.. give simple general short answers, quote scripture we pretend to follow and make fun of them! Peter walked with Jesus and was openly rebuked by Paul. But DONT YOU DARE SPEAK A WORD AGAINST ORGANIZED CHURCH, YOU ANARCHIST.
Amen
But the church today worship on Sunday, the day the Roman Catholic Church instituted!. Can a real Christian still worship on the first day of the week or on the Sabbath?!
Todays church services do not include the church getting on their knees before the Living God in prayer or Worship.;Baptism is not a commandment (see Mark 16:16) ; and filled with pastors who have a myriad of false teaching or interpretations to WOW the audience. They encourage you to read televangelist books of horrors when The Word of God is all you need. There is enough in the Book to last a lifetime 100 times over in the Bible. You ARE a part of the local church when you are saved....you are grafted in and adopted by the Father into his family. Your acceptance does not hinge on whether you go to church...Matter of fact, if you are saved you take the church (body) along with you.... As we are ONE in the Spirit.
We should first look into the definition of the word church before answering this question.
Jesus loves all his church so i want to join in all his church and live with all church
What he is saying is unbalanced. People can be wonderful christians and love the Lord and not go to church . And churches worth going too are getting harder and harder to find in these days of the Laodacean apostate church . The word CHURCH is a blanket word . You are still a part of the body of Christ and part of the " church " without going to a church building . A building is NOT the church . The people are the church .
Absolutely
I went down the list watching these videos and non of these men and women want to admit that you don't have to go to a building to find the holy spirit ,or find Jesus ..... .... and they won't say it because If they do where in the world will they get all the money they are pocketing ?
The world is passing away and so is it's desire. But he that does the Will of the Father, remains forever." Who's will did Jesus do? Did Jesus please himself? Who are the Christians, who love God? Love their Neighbors? They do no harm to anyone. They don't kill others of different religions. They have love among themselves. This love is a way of life, not limited to a local building. But it covers the globe. Jesus said that they would have that as an identifying mark. They speak the same, cause they are taught by the same person in heaven. And he is the One that taught His son, Jesus. Jesus is the Head of the Heavenly Congregation. This congregation is hand picked by the Almighty Father, for the son. And the Christian Congregation on earth, share the Oneness that Jesus and Jehovah God have. They have covered the earth with the message of love, hope and the solution to every problem that we've seen in our short lifetime. The Good News of the Kingdom in heaven. They recognize Jesus Christ as King. They completely follow Jesus and understand the theme and purpose of the Bible. They understand that the faithful men of old like Noah, Moses and Abraham. Walked with God not being Christian but being friends of God. Following Jesus Christ, doing as he did and what he said do is a requirement in living the life as a Christian.
You dont need to ascribe to a church to be chrisitan. We join together willingly to praise god, not because we get looked down on by the churches because we missed a sunday...that's absurd...we are all together in spirit and our bodies being distanced doesnt mean we are distanced. In spirit we are with god and god is everywhere so we are with god everywhere, you walk in prayer not just by putting your hands together saying let us pray.
He probably believes in tithe to.
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May the Lord forgive you.
This is manipulative.
We were made for community ,we are better together ! So here's some truth on this topic from Pastor Rick Warren : Community: God’s Answer to Defeat
Who’s watching out for you?
You need people who will defend you, stand up for you and protect you, help you stay on track, and warn you. We all need this, because we all have blind spots.
Philippians 2:4 says, “Look out for one another’s interest, not just your own” (TEV). If you want a counter-culture verse, that’s it! In America, the general idea is it’s all about “me” - my needs, my interests, my wants, and my ambitions.
But the Bible says we should care about each other. We’re family! As brothers and sisters in God’s family, we should defend each other and help each other stay on track.
Since Sept. 11, 2001, we’ve all been more vigilant in watching out for each other. But did you know that you have an enemy far more destructive than terrorists? Oh, yes! You have a personal enemy, and he hates your guts. His name is Satan. He wants to mess up your life. He wants to ruin your relationships. He wants to defeat you.
Why would he do that? Because he can’t hurt God. When you can’t hurt somebody, what do you do? You go after their children. Satan can’t hurt God, so he tries to hurt God’s children.
When Satan attacks you, he doesn’t come in a little red costume with a pitchfork and say, “Boo!” How does Satan mess up your life? Through habits you can’t break, through hurts that you won’t let go of, through problems and circumstances, through relationships that break your heart.
Most Christians are defeated, because we try to fight Satan on our own. That’s stupid! You’re never going to win against the devil on your own. You need other people who will watch out for you and help you.
Community is God’s answer to defeat. You need to find the people who will stand with you in tough times and say, “We’re not going to let you get discouraged. We’re not going to let you get depressed. We’re not going to let you worry. We’re going to stay here with you."
“A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple braided cord is not easily broken” (Ecclesiastes 4:12 NLT, second edition).
I'll save you six minutes. Yes, if know Yeshua and have a relationship with him. He's your King and savior. Through grace you are saved if you accept it. You walk the way he walked, following the commandments of His Father, Yahweh. End of story.
Possible but not right. A believer in Christ will note how the NT epistles all assume they are talking to church members. Submission to elders is not possible unless one is a member of a church. This is not something that should be done just because it is wise or practical. To not be a member of a particular church is not biblical option. Even though one may be saved without 100% correct theology does not make an exception a rule.
I disagree. One's salvation has nothing to do with a local church. The local church is worldly. Salvation is eternal and personal. We are not saved to be part of a local church. We are saved to become children of God.
I would love to go to church but I have no way to get there
I will pray for you. Maybe you should contact the church and ask if they can help. I was stranded with a broken down car, deserted by my husband, living isolated on a cut off road with no access to town on foot or buses, also scared of going into a church as I'd been affected by bad religion before. But when I got a church magazine through my door I wrote to the editor as I disagreed on interpretation of a,scripture. Then he called on me, we got into a discussion and he offered to drive me to church with his wife. I was shy and nervous and wary I might be sinning by being in the wrong church, but gradually I joined in when I realised it was so right. I missed out for years on so many good friends. Just ask and I know they'll send someone appropriate to help you.
Church isnt a place.... its a people. Find Christians that you live nearby, and see if you guys can meet up at a coffee shop or a library or one of your homes. Or find Christians online in forums or facebook groups or on twitch while you're watching live streams and see if you guys can start a separate group or forum or chat and do weekly checkups and video chats or whatever.
Its about community and fellowship.... not about dressing up to go to a building.
@@leonscott543 All those things are good, but not the same as meeting up in person to worship. I used to debate online and did converse with Christians from all over the world. They helped me unravel some of the false teachings I'd been indoctrinated with before. Where I go now, they don't look down on me if I can't afford to dress up. The cult I was a part of with my husband years back, would shun you if you didn't abide by their dress code. That was no beards for men, a smart suit and tie. Women had to wear long skirts or dresses and tights, no trousers allowed. Now I feel so relaxed and free. I often just wear jeans. Everyone there smiles at me and I love the joyful worship music and praise. It's good to see people excited to be in the presence of God. You don't get that online and it was the opposite when I was in a high control religion before. Definitely go to church and be encouraged. I got healing with the laying on of hands and it was amazing!
Hebrews 10 is written to Hebrews who were believers but for political or social reasons not outwardly professing their faith when convenient. Sounds like when Peter denied Christ 3 times.
TIME OUT. Sanctification happens AT CONVERSION! Sanctification means CLEANSED AND SET APART. It NEVER MEANS progressively becoming like Christ. Totally untrue. According to many pastors Salvation is by grace through faith and works. Sanctification is part of salvation.
So many false dichotomies in this. Not being part of an organized church suddenly becomes a disorganized thing? Stop lol. Clueless men.
You still can’t figure out why so many people leave your Quadriplegic bodies?
there's no dispensational churches around here !
Could someone explain dispensational. I've heard it but I have no idea . Much appreciated ! God bless ❤
@@timsharpe6652 2nd Timothy 2:15 says to rightly divide the word of Truth. Dispensationalism is dividing the word of Truth for example believing that God dealt with different people differently throughout time like with methods of salvation. An easy example is people were saved differently before the Mosaic law, then when God gave Moses the law to be saved people had to follow the law. Today salvation comes through grace through faith. without dispensationalism people combine parts of the Bible that aren't meant to be together and breed heresy.
@@aristarchus9481 thank you 😊
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I am to sick to attend services.
Lisa young too sick?? Well there are exceptions!! Be blessed. The heart knows your heart. Are you able to listen or watch an online church? So you feel more like in attendance. 🤗
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Well you say go find the right one and well there is no right one because a lot of them don't preach the truth they want to tickle their ears but not preach the truth so my friend I have a big beef with that a big beef with that and then there's a lot of other things that go on the behind the scenes of the church like pastors doing do what I do what I say but not as I do you know and stuff like that and what have you and blah blah blah blah I can list the whole thing and yeah so no thank you yeah you can be a Christian and still not go to church
But a lot of them are not godly a lot of them are like they say that they love you they act like they do but they fake it to make it you know ever heard of that come on now let's be real here okay and there's a lot of churches don't Don't preach the truth either so you got that to think about too so booyah
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Faith with out works is dead !!
Faith is never alone is nonsense you guys are slipping works in the back door. Don’t look to your works to know if you’re saved. Look to what Jesus said. “He who believes in me has life. “Keep it simple. You are teaching a work salvation. Shame on you.
This is bad doctrine people ..stay away