Comparing Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, & Protestant Unity
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When I was trying to find my way as a new follower of Jesus but not committed to a particular Church, one of the passages of scripture that convinced me to make unity an essential criterion in my search was chapter 17 of John’s gospel when Jesus prays this beautifully intimate prayer to the Father right before he is arrested.
He prays that his followers, that is his Church, will enjoy the same kind of unity that he enjoys with his Father and that by this unity he will be glorified because it will be a witness to the world that he is truly the son of God.
And there’s a lot of wisdom in that. Imagine a Christianity in which there was one, unified Church with every member working together rather than against each other. As Jesus said, a kingdom divided cannot stand and no matter how much Christians want to believe we have a certain kind of unity, it’s obvious to anyone who isn’t shoehorning that idea into their theology that we do not.
And as a newcomer to Christianity, when I was initially taking that step, it was obvious to me that the broad definition of Christianity was one in a disorienting state of fracture and that if the claims of Christianity were true, there must be some substantial expression of unity found within it.
Now, if you have a conversation with your average believer from any of the main branches of Christianity, being Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism, you’ll hear that unity is important to them too, but you’ll get variations of how that unity is defined and expressed, so I thought we’d take a look at those and then I’ll share which one made the most sense to me and why.
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Catholics and Orthodox will argue like hell but as soon as a Protestant opens their mouth we are brothers lol
Yep!
Truth
Indeed brother
I want to argue with this, but it’s too true.
Lovely
As a Catholic, I agree we're all one in Christ...... even you Protestants
As a protestant myself, it’s OK to exclude some of us. There’s definitely a line that has been crossed.
@thegearhouse5337 yes, mega churches and progressive Christianity has left the true gospel as soon as they were birthed
Catholics and Orthodox Christians when they think of protestantism they think of mega churches, and that's not who we are, we condemn such churches
@@biggestbungus3096Not all mega Churches abandoned the Gospel. This is a steriotype!
😂😂😂 I love this comment
As more of a Protestant, Catholics and Orthodox are my brothers and sisters in Christ 💜
@@lefooo I am united to you through the Blood of of Lord Jesus Christ. We share the same faith in Him. Were are both part of His church.
Satan is using you to divide and conquer. He is laughing and happy because of your comment. I think with respect, you are the one who needs to wake up.
God's peace be with you my BROTHER ♥️
@@muscularcatholicism interesting. I wonder why it's removed. Thanks!
Amen 🙏
Heresy
Do Catholics and orthodox consider protestants their brothers?
I love both Catholics and Orthodox. We are the same. Grettings a protestant from Denmark. Wish you all the best
Unity with other religions is a Mortal sin. Pope Eugene 4th Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino” - 1441 Ex Cathedra :
The Traditional Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professors and preachers that all those who are outside the Traditional Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or Heretics and Schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Traditional Catholic Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to Salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety, and practices of the Christian Militant produce Eternal Rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in arms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Jesus Christ, unless he has preserved in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church !!!
St Pope Gregory the Great, Summo Iugiter Studio 590 to 604 :
The holy traditional Universal Catholic Church teachers that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her and asserts that all who are outside of her will not be saved !!! That includes Vatican 2 Church, sspx,sspv,cmri,fssp…. For there many Heretics.
Pope Pius XI,Rerum Omnium Perturbationem, (# 4), Jan 26, 1923
… the heresies begotten by the Protestant Reformation. It is in these heresies that we discover the beginnings of that apostasy of mankind, from the one, true, traditional catholic church !!!
Pope Leo XIII, “UbI Primum” (# 14) may 5,1824 : it is impossible for the most true God who is truth itself the best the wisest provider and the rewarder of Good Men to approve all sects denominations who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory and to confer Eternal rewards on their members… by Divine faith we hold one Lord One Faith one baptism that is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Traditional catholic church.
Not the Freemason modernist, Progressive, condemned Vatican 2 Church !!!
God bless you Mr.Holdsworth. Your channel has been a fountain of water to a pilgrim in the desert. JA
Aubrey... Can I trouble you for the salt?
Protests are very hostile it seems.. The abundance of the heart is what the mouth speaks..
To be honest Orthodox has been most hostile in my opinion. But were all brothers and sisters 💝
Josaphat Martin Nah thats Roman Catholics.
Shameless Papist Is that why the church split in the 10th century? What Romans and Greeks or East and west forget is that we are still humans, and when humans are involved error usually isn’t far away.
@Shao Yu Mai Wang I know of Matthew 16:19 where Christ gave Peter the authority to bind and loose things on Earth. Did I miss the verses where he said that all the other Apostles had to agree with him or he couldn't actually use that authority? Or do they just not exist
We are hostile toward a one world religion. Think about it. Whenever anything is universal it’s bad. Leads to globalism leads to the end times. Think about it
Well said, and it's the reason I keep returning to the Catholic church, despite recurring disappointments and inadequacies. "Lord, to whom shall I go?"
To the SSPX, of course. It is the answer to your confusion and debating. May God bless you, Jean!
Unity with other religions is a Mortal sin. Pope Eugene 4th Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino” - 1441 Ex Cathedra :
The Traditional Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professors and preachers that all those who are outside the Traditional Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or Heretics and Schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Traditional Catholic Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to Salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety, and practices of the Christian Militant produce Eternal Rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in arms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Jesus Christ, unless he has preserved in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church !!!
St Pope Gregory the Great, Summo Iugiter Studio 590 to 604 :
The holy traditional Universal Catholic Church teachers that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her and asserts that all who are outside of her will not be saved !!! That includes Vatican 2 Church, sspx,sspv,cmri,fssp…. For there many Heretics.
Pope Pius XI,Rerum Omnium Perturbationem, (# 4), Jan 26, 1923
… the heresies begotten by the Protestant Reformation. It is in these heresies that we discover the beginnings of that apostasy of mankind, from the one, true, traditional catholic church !!!
Pope Leo XIII, “UbI Primum” (# 14) may 5,1824 : it is impossible for the most true God who is truth itself the best the wisest provider and the rewarder of Good Men to approve all sects denominations who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory and to confer Eternal rewards on their members… by Divine faith we hold one Lord One Faith one baptism that is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Traditional catholic church.
Not the Freemason modernist, Progressive, condemned Vatican 2 Church !!!
Protestant here, but I love your point that Christianity is supposed to be lived out in a family context! I've actually been able to be a part of a community of believers that are genuinely committed to loving one another in a way I've never seen in a regular "church". I am hesitant though to believe that it is the responsibility of a single person to be the spiritual patriarch. In practicality, I think the key to achieve that is personal mentorship like we saw with the early church.
Also, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on papal infallibility, seeing as you mentioned that bad popes have existed, just as we deal with bad fathers.
Great video you are such a gift to TH-cam and a great dynamic speaker
What a beautful comparison and reflection. God bless you
Interestingly enough, the claim to the bishop of Rome as head over every see was rejected within a generation by the Oriental Orthodox. The claim has also been key to the split with Eastern Orthodoxy and becomes foundational to the split within the Western Orthodox Church with the refusal to enact reforms. It really is central to the disunity of the broader institutional church than something enabling unity.
Wasn't the patriarchy of the orient an appointment of the holy father in Rome?
That was an amazing piece of insight - thank you
Although I am not Catholic I found this helpful in understanding the Catholic position.
The Roman Catholic position is completely false.... th-cam.com/video/DcZ7scez5Xs/w-d-xo.html
@@benjamind547 not a boomer. one of the many thousands and thousands of the younger generations using the internet to find out the truth about our Christian Faith, and leaving Rome and Protestantism for Orthodoxy.
@@benjamind547 I left the Roman sect before knowing anything about Jay Dyer. Wrong again. 0-2
@@benjamind547 Were Paul De Ballester, Michale Whelton, Abbe Guettee, or Gabriel Bunge just following "Dyerdoxy" when they left Romanism for Holy Orthodoxy? You should look into that.
@@benjamind547 I pasted a link to people who have spent much time and effort investigating and researching the topics at hand, namely the differences between Orthodoxy and Romanism. I linked to them because to 'debate' these issues in the comments section of a TH-cam video is nonsensical. The people in the video expound in greater detail the obvious ways that Rome has deviated from Truth and Holy Orthodoxy. I support Jay Dyer completely in his work. He does great work, very serious and thorough work. Anyone with half a brain who has considered these issues in depth will admit that, whether you agree with him or not.
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I'm a convert to Catholic and thankyou for making the faith more clear.
Very much enjoyed this video. Very good. Keep it up & God bless.
I listened to this twice and will listen to it again. I'm going to ask friends to listen to it and give me their feedback. Thanks for your insights.
As a convert from Protestantism to Catholicism, I think the claim of Catholic “unity” is rather overstated. Let’s be honest, from Antinomian Rainbow clergy to Traditionalists to Sedevacantists to Uniates, the claim of Catholic unity under a single Pontiff in modernity is an illusion. Moreover, the unity confessed by Christ, the Apostles, and codified via Ecumenical Councils was centered around confessional, propositional truths.
Four months ago, I watched my Pope and other complicit bishops participate in an idolatrous, pagan ceremony, to the goddess Pachamama. Is this the type unity that Catholics should celebrate? Personally, I was scandalized.
I was born and raised as a Catholic but abandoned my religion in my teen years. I've been rediscovering faith a little by little, over the last 5 years. For these reasons you mentioned, I can't reconcile with the Catholic Church, it feels like something is off, eery. A friend seldom mentioned Orthodoxy and it's restoring my faith
Another logical and an excellent video. Thank you!
Wouldn't the idea of a family favor Eastern Orthodoxy who make distinct local governing units instead of one prime head for most thousands of miles away? The papal system sounds less familial to me.
There are no functioning decentralized families. A family has a father as the head
@@jmjaquinas7298 the priest in each church is the father of the family. I don't see why wee need another all powerful world wide daddy, that's Jesus' place.
@@jmjaquinas7298 Exactly
@@jmjaquinas7298 Christ is the head of the church not the Pope
This is so good. Brian, you are good.
Your description of the unity amongst Eastern Orthodox is rather superficial. Our unity is far deeper than just an agreement over the set of doctrines. I would propose to you to examine the matter properly before putting it out to the public... unless you wanted it to be false. ;o)
I mean your autocephalous church structure is highly ethnically and nationalistically based, causing a fair amount of strife and division in the Eastern Church. The Russian Orthodox Church literally broke communion with Constantinople because an official Ukrainian Church was established. Moreover, inter-church autonomy causes excessive doctrinal disputes which cannot be efficaciously resolved by a higher authority due to Orthodoxy's highly egalitarian prelature.
@@billionbux3261 That is how Mickey Mouse thinks as well, because he has no idea of inner workings of the God's Church. Fact that The Church existed during past 2000 years despite all alleged weaknesses you have noted should have told you that you are terribly wrong... but... that requires more thinking and much more homework on your side. ;o)
@The Pascha Bunny Never mind... we need to tell them the truth and leave it up to God to further develop that truth into a "worm of doubt". ;o)
@The Pascha Bunny I’m catholic of Coptic origin and I’m not shocked at all by this. I see no dichotomy here. I have an immense respect for Orthodoxy and seek to further my understanding of it. I love my Orthodox friends and they love me. I attend Divine Liturgy within the Catholic church when I can, I venerate many shared saints. I love and admire the level of reverence and spirituality I see in all rites. In good faith I also acknowledge the necessity for a visible head with a special charism, an umpire to settle doctrinal and moral disputes (abortion, IVF, contraception, divorce). We need clear teachings and unity on these very important matters. As we can see, the need for this did not end when Saint Peter died. We need it more than ever. I pray that we all be united as Christ wishes us to be. No wonder He suffered so during His agony at the sight of our pride, hardness of heart, spirit of unforgiveness and lack of charity. We all fall short. We are called to act on God’s terms. Not our will but His.
I so enjoy your authentic and honest interpretations! God bless you and yours!
Regina Pontes he is very poorly informed
Forgeries of Rome: th-cam.com/video/DcZ7scez5Xs/w-d-xo.html
@@t.l.ciottoli4319 ok protestant.
Great content vid man!
~ Brian ~ wonderful work ~ beautiful.... thank you ~
I give “thumb up” (on this channel) only when I learn something new.
So far I always did.
At the first sermon Peter said what needed to be done to be saved. None of the other apostles disagreed with him, they were in unity.
In Orthodoxy the word "catholic" means "according to the whole," that is, it concerns that which is complete, or - to put it another way - the Church, like the Eucharist, is lacking in nothing, and so each individual Church is the whole "catholic" Church in a given location. That said, an Orthodox ecclesiology of communion, which sees each local Church as the full realization of the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church through the celebration of the liturgy and the profession of the Orthodox faith under the guidance of a bishop in Apostolic Succession, is incompatible with the late medieval Roman universalist ecclesiology promoted by the Scholastics, which divides the Church into pieces that are only later juridically united through a concept of hierarchical subservience to the bishop of Rome.
im so glad that you are speaking of unity, its why i go to the current church I go to.
Everyone spread this video!! Share and share and share!!
So much truth in this, I feel you’re echoing the catechism where it states that when we are born the first thing we form a relationship with is our creator(s) ie: parents which symbolise God (our ultimate creator). Love your videos 🙏
Many falsehoods and ignorance in this. th-cam.com/video/DcZ7scez5Xs/w-d-xo.html
Man, this motivated me to love our spiritual fathers and mothers in the Church even more, realizing how frail and weak they often are like the rest of us.
We pray everyday for our Pope and priests and respect them, because without the priests there’s no Holy Eucharist and other Sacraments of the church.
Protestant churches are like family & they do have spiritual fathers.
I just don't how the exclusivity is justified.
I like your hairstyle here, brother
Great video. Do you play those sickass Les Pauls in the background?
Watch your language
@@BiglariProductions Calm down
@@jamesmerone God bless you 🧡
I like this stuff!
Hey Brian, this is a little bit off topic but I recall watching a vid and in it you said something along the lines of we should set high standards for morals even if we can’t achieve them and was wondering which video that was lol
Maybe it was this one? th-cam.com/video/jipW5YhuCrk/w-d-xo.html
Right on point!!
I'm Chatolic but soon I want to become protestant they just fix the broken lesson of chatolic and orthodox according the Bible (about statue / icons ,about Mary and some sort of beliefs. I'm comfortable to lessen to protestant.
Finally somebody said it. You get it. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you Brian-God invites us into his family-invites us to call him Father and Mary Mother and Jesus our brother
Where did it say that in the Bible though?
There is a depth to Eastern orthodox unity that as a former lifelong protestant I couldn't deny, when witnessing the pinnacle of the liturgical worship; the consecration and partaking of the eucharist. Someone said it better than I (I believe it was Dr. Jeannie Constantinou): "Orthodoxy is not an organization... it is an organism." And in that moment, sharing in that divine intimacy with my fellow body of believers, I realized what that statement really meant.
Well Revelations 1-3 John's letter to the 7 Churches is a look at the state of the Christian Church in the last days. Each of our denominations are doing somethings right and some wrong.
All of those SEVEN Churches were all Belong's in the CATHOLIC Church... and there have a the Same FAITH And same Beliefs...
@@wilsongalamiton1629 how were they Catholic churches? Who Was the pope? Drop the facts on us wise one
Somebody tell me
What's the title of the chant in the background
Nice video Brian... I get your point about Jesus wishing we were one as the Father and He were one, analog to a family. And you´re right that family members disagree all the time, and this is why this comparison maybe is not the best one. Can you imagine Jesus disagreeing with God the Father in ANY issue? Like it was possible that inside protestantism, a Baptist would marry a Calvinist, or an Adventist would marry a Lutheran, or an Anglican would marry a YW... How would they raise their children? Baptize as a child or wait until they grow old? Saturday or Sunday? Is Jesus really GOD or just a creature? Is the soul eternal or does it die, the list goes on! This is why I agree with you about the unity in the Catholic family under a spiritual father and not only that, but under the Tradition and the Magisterium!!
Ur an inspiration bro !!!!!!
Unity is defined by the answers to these two questions: Who is Jesus? What is the Gospel? How those questions are answered defines the Church, and thus unity in the Faith.
Brian, do you do work for Protestant churches as well?
I believe he does.
Fantastic.
Great breakdown of unity and relationships as it relates to the Scriptures. One thing is our only spiritual Father is God.
In Matthew 29:3 we are not to call anyone on earth father, as our only Father is in Heaven. Now of course our biological fathers are an exception but I personally refuse to call an earthly head of the church, “father” because of this verse.
May Elohim (God) bless everyone in this thread! 🙏🏽
Can I know the title of your video background music.?
In the description...
Though I do not agree with your Church's version of traditions or your representation of them I am glad that you have found the place you feel that you belong. May God guide us all into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mr Holdsworth's hair was 🔥🔥🔥 when he made this video
I like the family relation analogy. I am curious about your previous faith...
We have a Father.... it's like the jews saying they need a king
@@grantguikema9821 you people have a father and you have "daddy issues" 😜
@@teeque5320 I'm sorry you don't feel that Christ is the head of the church
@@grantguikema9821 I'm sorry you do
Isn't it annoying when your gaming and than someone comes in and says "Time for church!"
I am a Catholic, and generally agree with your video. I just have a question regarding an objection that will clearly come your way from a protestant:"Call no man father"
Is there a Catholic answer to that argument?
Consider 1 Corinthians 4:15
www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/call-no-man-father-vs.-priests-addressed-as-father
Watch Catholic Answers or Fr. Mark Goring’s videos on it on TH-cam. Magnificat
th-cam.com/video/DcZ7scez5Xs/w-d-xo.html
I still think the idea of calling a man that's not God "father" in the context as if he was like God.. is wrong? Our only father is God and calling a man a spiritual father takes the glory and power away from the one and only Father. God also has a direct relationship with us, through the holy spirit within us, not through another man?
Well then you’re closer to a Eucharistic ecclesiology. I recommend “His Broken Body” by Fr. Laurent Cleenewerk
The family dynamic of a devotee and God isn't new to Christianity though. But great video, because of your honest sharing of the concept of unity between the apostolic churches.
One God, many expressions.
-Your Orthodox brother in Christ.
Does anybody know the name of his opening song?
See the link in the description.
Isnt a kingdom divided then mean there is only one true Church, one true Bride of Christ?
Christ.wants.us to come together.and love one another despite our differences.
I've been coming to religion from atheism but I'm so torn between eastern orthodox and Catholicism that I've yet to make a comment to a church.
Both have great wisdom and traditions, but there are differences and difficulties I have with both.
Im anglo so my lineage is rooted in Catholicism. I positively love the literature. It's history, mysteries, and culture are all incredibly attractive.
But
Eastern orthodox has more emphasis on the body, fasting, and dietary restrictions. Something that seems right to me. And Its resisted the degradation of modernity and progressivism more so then Catholicism.
I also have (very) minor criticisms of both, but it seems inappropriate to voice them as an outsider. Both are significantly better then where I came from. But those issues weigh on my decision.
There is always Eastern Catholicism
Like the above comment says there are Byzantine Catholic churches. They believe all the same things as Roman Catholics, but have disciplines and liturgy that are the same as the Orthodox.
Alternatively, if you are attached to your Anglican roots, there is the Anglican Ordinariate in North America, the UK and Australia, where Roman Catholics of Anglican heritage maintain many of the Anglican customs (most notably the Prayer Book language in their liturgy).
Have you seen Brian's videos on "Why I became Catholic" and "Why I am not Eastern Orthodox"? They may provide insight from his perspective, of course.
As a Protestant I found a new respect for the ancient church teachings found in Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy Orthodoxy because of the testimonies of former atheists. Atheists seem to gravitate toward Catholicism or Orthodoxy instead of Protestantism. If they go Protestant then it's usually Lutheran or Anglican/Episcopalian. God bless you on your journey.
Eastern Orthodox here, I had a super tough time figuring out what the situation was between the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholis for a time a well. Please do yourself a huge favor a check out Jay Dyer on TH-cam, he helped me out with his videos when I was struggling to figure out what a lot of the big differences between EO and RC where; it really did help, alot.
Also, there is another Orthodox fellow on TH-cam, therealMedWhite, who made a video on how Eastern Catholicism Refutes the Papacy. I highly recommend it.
And of course I must encourage you to attend a Divine Liturgy at an Orthodox Church nearest you. The arguments are interesting and important, but experiencing the life and worship of the Church is a must; Seriously.
Pray to Christ our God about all this too. If your time is anything like mine time with all this, you're going to need the help.
Also, don't forget to look into early Church history! Very helpful!
(Disclaimer)
Oh and if you're expecting each EO person to be perfect or 'oh so pure,' we're not; We're all imperfect just like myself, yourself, or anyone else. So if you're becoming Orthodox to escape bad experiences with others in the past, you're doing it for the wrong reason. Become Orthodox if you seek the Truth, Whom is Christ. (John 14:6)
Alright, I've bothered you enough.
May God be with you and May He bless you.
Does anyone know the music in the beginning???
See the link in the description.
Just saying, as far as I'm concerned catholics and orthodox are basically the same sort of Christians: they follow doctrines from the true church established almost 2,000 years ago. PROTESTants rebelled against the leaders of this one church, but they still believe in Christ and that should mean that we should all be one United family. Good video
"At Baptism, the new Christian is buried and raised with Christ; at the Eucharist the members of Christ’s Body the Church receive His Body in the sacrament. The Eucharist, by uniting the members of the Church to Christ, at the same time unites them to one another: ‘We, who are many, are one loaf, one body; for we all partake of the one loaf’ (1 Corinthians x, 17)."
-Bishop Timothy Ware
@@hanskung3278 how does protestants have the eucharist when they dont Practice it?
Good content.................................
sorry, but the "Unity" issue for the Orthodox is not "based" on common belief or doctrine. Mr. Holdsworth needs to do some more "study" of this issue.
1 Samuel 8:7
“And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.”
You are correct that Orthodox see unity as a matter of correct faith. But another important point is that this unity is expressed in community with your bishop, that is, your local orthodox bishop that one mentions in the liturgy, because as St. Ignatius of Antioch said "Where the bishop is, there is the Church". This shows that the fullness of the Church is expressed, not only in the Church in its global totality, but especially in every single local Church around its bishop. This is why St. Paul can talk about "the Church in Rome", "The Church in Thessaloniki" or "The Church in Korinth". Of course it does not mean that the Church is split up, but that the fullness of the Church, that is, the fullness of Christ, is realised in every single ecclesia - assembly - in these places where the true faith is preserved and lived. Rather than seeing it as a huge global family, it is more a kind of network of families sharing the same blood, like relatives do.
What are your beliefs? Is there a video
He has a two-part testimony on Why I Am Catholic
I entirely agree, well said. I add nevertheless a personal feeling which negatively underligns the lack of familly-feeling in Church. When the scandals broke out, pope Benedict said something like we are destroying the Church ourselves we don't need our ennemies to do it, and the desire of Jesus that they may be one was quoted. My thought was different, i thought how can you be desillusioned, unless you have lived in a sort of position were everybody for what ever reason looks up to you. My personal feeling had always looked upon the desire of Jesus as logic and virtuous but hardly realistic in a way.
What is the song he plays at the beginning?
"The Love of God," by Paul Jernberg. It's amazing, isn't it?
@@donm-tv8cm Heavenly.. Thank you
@@joelrodriguez8985 If you liked it, TH-cam search "The Fire of Your Love - - The Sacred Liturgy", where you can find this hymn along with many other wonderful things.
@@donm-tv8cm Definitely will do that. Thanks for the info!
Dude youre so deep
Can orthodox cross over to catholic church?
We Orthodox believe that our unity comes from the ruling body of the bishops which are all equal in power and we treated with utmost respect as the most direct inheritors of the position of the Apostles. Trusting the control of the entire church to just one man can lead to great disaster once a less than capable ruler comes into power. Of course we have bishops of different ranks in our own church in order to make decisions making amongst them easier and we don't disagree with having a unifying figure with abilities that the others don't have (which is what the Pope originally was and what the Ecumenical Patriarch is now) but he must not have so much power that he ascends far above the power of the ruling body of his fellow bishops, they must all remain equal to some extent.
Well..... Pope Francis.....
The best argument for Eastern Orthodoxy.
That's not an argument that's just pointing fingers.
@@theshamrockdolls9909 shame on you and you are incorrect.
@@theobserver3753 agreed.... satan is the great accuser.
As a reformed baptist the unity that you find in those who are born again is nothing to be compare with a concept of memberships found in the catholic church you orthodox and catholics baptized unbelievers and expects to have a communion of "saints". protestants the main denominations are repented individuals with newness of live hungry to know Gods will that is the miracle of being born from above a real change by the spirit of God by the works of Jesus.
On the family point I would say that we also have that in Eastern Orthodoxy, but we consider God our father, like for example we all are his children so we all call each other brothers and sisters, it doesn't matter if we are not related. We are Gods children with Jesus bonding us and all humans in the curch are helpers and shepherds(they are a bit like step dads until we unite with The Father hehe)
liking that Kristofer Hivju-look!
Nice
But the fact is that we all are Christians and we all should be washed by blood of christ to enter into the kingdom of God
I have two fathers. My dad and the Lord. I refuse to call another man father. I believe you can be catholic and still saved, but it sure is making life complicated and the scripture is the ultimate authority. The scripture alone. Through faith alone. Very well done video.
Where does Scripture tell you that?
@@levisando honestly I said this a year ago, but it isn’t through faith alone. Repentance is key. Walking with the Lord and everyday. The Bible is the ultimate authority though. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God. The Bible isn’t corrupted. God keeps it pure and the Bible lasts forever. The church is people. God loves the church and we are to love the church, but the church is people and people can be wrong. The Bible however can never be wrong.
@@benjaminkline2529 the Catholics wrote the bible by the way...
Also there was no bible for 400 years...
Therefore for the first 400 years of Christianity bible alone was IMPOSSIBLE.
The process culminated in 382 as the Council of Rome, which was convened under the leadership of Pope Damasus, promulgated the 73-book scriptural canon. The biblical canon was reaffirmed by the regional councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397)
“We are not competitors but brothers, and this concept must guide all our mutual actions as well as those directed to the outside world. We urge Catholics and Orthodox in all countries to learn to live together in peace and love, and to be “in harmony with one another” (Rm 15:5).
Consequently, it cannot be accepted that disloyal means be used to incite believers to pass from one Church to another, denying them their religious freedom and their traditions. We are called upon to put into practice the precept of the apostle Paul: “Thus I aspire to proclaim the gospel not where Christ has already been named, so that I do not build on another's foundation” (Rm 15: 20).”
Signed: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill
My spiritual father is Jesus
I like when Protestants are being presented, it’s Lutheran iconography.
This council was originally accepted and fully endorsed by the papacy in Rome (whose legates were present at the behest of Pope John VIII), but was later repudiated by Rome in the 11th century, retroactively regarding the robber council of 869-870 to be ecumenical. The council of 879-880 affirmed the restoration of St. Photius the Great to his see and anathematized any who altered the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, thus condemning the Filioque.
Peter was first Bishop of Antioch. Wouldn’t the Patriarch of Antioch be the best one to be considered a successor of Peter. Wouldn’t he be the best father to lead the Church?
So...protestant, orthodox, catholic: it doesn't matter as long as we all believe in the trinity and respect and love each other like a family when though we have disagreements on certain things?
I’m catholic
You are correct, we all need to be under one Father as a family but where I disagree with you is your solution to appoint a human as our Father. There's no reason to not go straight to God. Like you mentioned with humans, we sometimes get bad fathers but never with God the Father, through Jesus and His teachings. Our spiritual Father is God with Jesus Christ and Him alone. Our family mustn't be "of the flesh" so to speak but spiritually! He is the Truth, the Life, and the Way, following him alone we will never be led astray. God bless you all brothers and sisters in the faith!!
Excellent. In light of the Hagia Sophia desecration by the coranic cult, I hope our Othodox brothers will reflect on that. As far as I am concerned Rome needs Constantinople.
The church on earth breathes with both lungs.
Actually, Jews and Greeks both referred to divinity paternally. The Old Testament contains multiple references to the Lord as Father, and the Greeks called Zeus Pater. "Jupiter" is a contraction of "Jovis Pater", which comes from "Dyeus Phater", a Proto-Indo-European god who can be found in various forms throughout the world. Additionally, Woden is called Alfather, but the chronology on that is more ambiguous.
Excellent explanation well done.
As a Catholic, its hard to in between Protestant and Orthodox.
Protestant: Ignorant
Orthodox: Arrogant
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I have had mostly arrogant feedback from Orthodox.
As a Catholic I'm confused by that.
It is very simple. Ephesians 4:5 "There is one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism," And Mathew 16:18 "You are Peter and on this rock I will build MY CHURCH." NOT my churches (plural), but My Church (singular). There is ONLY one TRUE Faith, one TRUE CHURCH, and that is the one Jesus founded. The others REFUSE to follow God's ONE TRUE Faith. How can they expect to be saved if they REJECT God's Church? That is why there is NO salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church.
Satan is controlling you on this subject
@@BiglariProductions Actually, no. This is what the Church has always taught!
The sacredness of the holy mysteries within the Church of Christ allow people to experience Heaven on earth. Worship within the Church is an experience that brings us to a state of Theosis. Love, humility, charity are common among many Christian denominations. However, for spiritual healing we need to live our life within the Church that was established in the days of the apostles ...the Church of Christ and not the church of the people. Christ warned us not to change one ioata...He said this because he loves us and knew how Satan would distort His Church and in turn we, His sheep, would be harmed.
Seek and ye shall find.
Kyrie Eleison🙏
Who start the excommunicating? Who excommunicated who exactly? Why did they do that? ..sounds like the 'fathers' were acting like babies!
One body in Christ.
Remember that the reformers did not wish to leave the church they wanted to remain within the Church but we’re anathematized due to not conforming. I myself would be Catholic if certain beliefs were not dogmatic as my conscience would not allow me to accept. If the church was to be truly unified less would have to be dogmatic.
I agreed in some aspects but I disagree in some area but it's alright not to become uniform but united in CHRIST. I become evangelical christian because I could not accept to pray to Mary
Why I would need to pray to Mary or.ask Mary or other saints if I can pray to JESUS CHRIST and Salvation is through only CHRIST