Done everything but this battle to get the last costume, I decided I'm not going to waste another week of my life grinding to get the last 2 achievements. Edit- I grinded for another 16 hours and now have 100% game completion. 166 hours of gameplay
@@alejandro7138 Damnnn that's so long I would've gone crazy by then. I got the plat yesterday after 90 hours. Thankfully you can cheese the last costume by going to 2d mode.
@@dadirtydoorknob3971 look it up. Dedicated Follower of Fashion has guides. Basically you get every other costume first, then use chapter select in 2d mode to go to the chapter where Jade is in the bunny costume in the monster arena.
You make this look so freaking easy... I can't even do it in under 40 turns as is... I'm on my second playthrough with the "no armour" and "hero dies, " everyone dies" restrictions so this is gonna be even more hellish when it comes time. Any tips?
Yggdragons blessing go brrrrrr. Also the patterns are pretty much set, even if he sometimes chooses skills based on the situation, like lightning over disruptive wave if it kills someone, so pay attention and you'll be able to figure out the first turns. Also stockpile perfect panaceas, cause no armor means you'll get slammed with tons of status effects
Amazing strategy! I never knew the tail was weak to fire that certainly helps given it's higher defenses... One possibility that I think could be used to lower the number of turns down to 10 without reducing reliability would be to, in the final section of the fight, have Veronica use Channel Anger, before using Mighty Magic Burst, as the 50% boost to damage applies to the Pep Power too. So the Burst would do 8883 damage which is almost exactly the same as the combination of Mighty Magic Burst and regular Burst did here, but in one less turn. Of course this strategy could also be done in 9 turns if you get the lucky oomph from the dark star. Also in regard of the theoretical limit. When attacking the Timewyrm's face a critical hit, while not under any attack buff would deal about 2785 damage on average on the first hit, while a crit on the follow up hit would deal 999 damage on average. If all 6 hits (3 initial strong and 3 secondary hits) were to be criticals that would produce an average damage output of 11352 which if you add the 8883 from the Channel Anger Burst would put you bearly above the required 20000 HP (20235 to be exact). Should any attack not be a crit you wont be able to kill the face like this. Assuming you get the Oomph when starting the battle the tail should be easier to take down. So with a ludicrous amount of luck (the chance for 6 crits is unspeakably low add the Oomph, favourable turn order etc.) The tymewyrm could be killed in 3+3+2=8 turns. Might be fun to watch a TAS achive this but no one should ever try this in person! The first method described above is definitely doable without pretty much any extra luck, so I'd be excited to see you go for it, plus a minimum turn order of 10 just looks nice!
Those are some interesting ideas, thanks! I just assumed that mighty magic burst didn't get effected by channel anger, because it doesn't scale with magical might and it doesn't really count as a spell, so I didn't even test it
And now I tested it and it seems channel anger doesn't affect pep powers, sadly. Thanks for that idea anyways. Alternatively you could get a kaboomle that conserves mp and echoes for double crits, but I'll leave that to the TAS gang that doesn't exist yet
@@Easssae I just checked again and you're right, only the regular Magic Burst seems to be affected also Doleful Dirge, Spooky Aura and Anathemetize don't increase the Mighty Bursts Damage either :( A regular Double Down from Eric with two Hunters Moons could add on average a rough 1375 damage to the tail, who has higher defenses and 1720 to the head. Follow that up with a Mighty Magic Burst for 5970 so that the tail needs to take 12655 damage in the first phase and the face 12310 for this to kill while still taking only 2 turns. The main extra diffiulty from this probably comes from needing to keep Eric alive longer to pull of the extra attack but with some investment in defense this should be possible. This is probably the best bet to get it down to 10 turns. However, with this change the theoretical limit again gets harder to achive, as Double Down would need to crit on every hit on the face aswell in order to build up enough damage to kill in 8 turns. Edit: I also just had another think about the minimum turn count. If we are already considering these ridicolous chances for crits we could go all out and start of with Jade wearing the hare raising suit and attacking the first two phases with multifeet. Assuming all 7 hits crit every time that would be 6993 damage per use, used twice for each phase makes 4 turns total with 13986 damage dealt to each part. Add a mighty magic burst in the final phase for 5994 damage, 19980 damage total, so any target all spell or ability would kill. So this would bring down the theoretical limit to 6. (The Hare raising suit is only used so we don't have to worry about dying)
@@bonoadelt9644 I imagine the fastest kill would involve some mirror/spiked armor shenanigans, so I don't think about the theoretical limit too much. But the tail always uses kasap, so that probably makes double down more reliable
The unfortunate thing about Pep Powers, is they ignore just about everything, except elemental damage boosts for any that carry an element. Including physical attacks and physical boosts.
hes making it so only the damage dealers get the turn on the first part he forces erik to use up all the turn together with some of the set up characters for him to do huge damage.
Beated it today in my last move with Hendrik, if it wasnt a crit i think i wouldve lost i never tought i would be so gratefull for a video game character, 106 actions by the way, good strat bro
@@Easssae So how exactly does that work? As far as I know, switching a character in skips their action. So I'm guessing the way you did it, you leveled Erik's agility/deftness so much that on average he can act twice before the enemy, you then purposefully skip everyone else's action so that Erik can act twice back to back to reduce the total number of actions used. Is this correct? Also, at 1:32 there's a graphical glitch with Jade's portrait appearing as she's pep'd up, despite her not being in a pepped state. Is that just for show, or does it change her stats any? Disruptive Wave seems to have no effect on it, either.
@@M30W3R the game still has a turn system, but it doesn't show it. If Erik goes first and you switch out someone else that loses their actions, if you already acted with Erik and swap him out on the last action of the turn for let's say jade, she'll get the next action (if she's fast enough) you only lose the ones within the turn you're currently in
Neither, if you swap someone out before their action that means they won't get to act in a given turn. If their action never comes up I can only use the ones that I need and therefore save actions
If you just want to beat him in under 50 actions there's absolutely no need to grind seeds that hard. I don't remember the specific amount, but it was days of grinding for sure
This isn't meant as a guide on how to get sub 50 actions, it's a tought experiment to see how low I can take the action count. It took a lot of seed grinding and a ton of resets, which are both not at all necessary.
@@Easssae so is it possible to beat this boss even without having my team with super high stats? I tried yesterday, I have all of them at lvl 99 but I got wrecked, that's why I asked that, I think it's almost necessary to seed grind for this boss 😩
@@riccardoalivernini2361 it's definitely possible to do the boss seedless. Even with all draconian quests on. The easiest way is to farm pep pops beforehand
I know this is a late answer, but if you just want the platinum you can get the last costume set by playing the start of act 2 in 2D mode till you get to Jade's part
I keep wanting to fight this boss but hate the whole tickington thing. It’s just a boring chore to me so always end up quitting halfway though it so figured i would just watch this video. Maybe eventually ill play it
I have two questions, as someone who is dreading this fight for the 100% completion. 1. How much grinding is required? I.e. Does Veronica *need* 999 MP for this to work? 2. How RNG dependent is this strategy, scale of 1 to 10? Like for the poison proc, for any knockdown moves the boss has, etc.
1. No, she doesn't need it. You can easily get the required turncount for the accolade with lower stats, it'll just take a bit harder. It 100% isn't worth grinding this much, it's just to see what the lowest actions count is. 2. 10 (actually could be worse, I described the 10 actions fight and that's pretty awful, rn I was getting a little under ~1/20 runs, but for 10 actions it'd go below 1/200. The moves he uses are set though and so you can get catholicon rings to get immunity against status effects)
Magic burst is 3xmp damage, meaning 3k is the limit without buffs/debuffs. Then there's the damage cap. You can only do a total of 12.5k damage before they tag out, even if you do a displayed 50k damage. 8 Actions is the absolute lowest with perfect rng afaik
I wasn't sure since on normal mode this boss doesn't even have 12,500 HP so if you could do that much damage on your first turn then 4x actions is all you really need not 8.
Dude how are all your characters so buffed??? Not even with all the seeds in erik are you able to get so buffed, did you cheat in some way or is there a seed multiplier hidden somewhere in the game???
@@Easssae duuuuuude were you bored lmao, I'm leaving the game as finished already, completed everything except for this sucker, and I don't want to farm more, thx btw
@@SparkVulpa level 50 is possible. There's a cheese strat that makes him possible at any level, as long as your agility is higher than his, which can be achieved with meteorite bracers
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Okay I didn't know you could bring party members into the fight in fricking coffins, that's hilarious
It's been a feature in all dq games after the first and it's hilarious
@@Easssae second. first only had the one guy
@@natalieisagirlnow "after the first" doesn't include the first
It's so funny, in DQ8 you could see the coffin following the main character and slide inside the city whenever you get in one!
Killing them both at the same time is ideal. I noticed that once I killed the tail, the other part went apesh*t
Done everything but this battle to get the last costume, I decided I'm not going to waste another week of my life grinding to get the last 2 achievements. Edit- I grinded for another 16 hours and now have 100% game completion. 166 hours of gameplay
It's definitely worth going for 100% (trophies, not the accolades) I finished around like 210 hours.
@@alejandro7138 Damnnn that's so long I would've gone crazy by then. I got the plat yesterday after 90 hours. Thankfully you can cheese the last costume by going to 2d mode.
nice im going for 100% and am 50 hours in near the end of act 1 i wont end my run until im at 1000 hours tho idc if it takes a whole year
@@Glavanovibesbro please tell me how to cheese in 2d this boss is driving me crazy
@@dadirtydoorknob3971 look it up. Dedicated Follower of Fashion has guides. Basically you get every other costume first, then use chapter select in 2d mode to go to the chapter where Jade is in the bunny costume in the monster arena.
Thank you, I would've never made it without your guide. I did it in 49 turns on my second try without seed farming
Veronica Winnns Again~
The RNG was so in your favor at the last momments lol. Lucky as fuck.
This was especially impressive since you weren’t max stat and never used iggdragons blessing
You make this look so freaking easy... I can't even do it in under 40 turns as is... I'm on my second playthrough with the "no armour" and "hero dies, " everyone dies" restrictions so this is gonna be even more hellish when it comes time. Any tips?
Yggdragons blessing go brrrrrr. Also the patterns are pretty much set, even if he sometimes chooses skills based on the situation, like lightning over disruptive wave if it kills someone, so pay attention and you'll be able to figure out the first turns. Also stockpile perfect panaceas, cause no armor means you'll get slammed with tons of status effects
I'll look at this later since I now have not enough time, but this is the only thing that stands between me and 100%
4:48 why did the war cry cause 8 damage points to Veronica?
Damage is based on current hp + can't kill
@@Easssae oh ok, thanks. I never noticed it (maybe because I only fought it once haha).
Amazing strategy! I never knew the tail was weak to fire that certainly helps given it's higher defenses...
One possibility that I think could be used to lower the number of turns down to 10 without reducing reliability would be to, in the final section of the fight, have Veronica use Channel Anger, before using Mighty Magic Burst, as the 50% boost to damage applies to the Pep Power too. So the Burst would do 8883 damage which is almost exactly the same as the combination of Mighty Magic Burst and regular Burst did here, but in one less turn. Of course this strategy could also be done in 9 turns if you get the lucky oomph from the dark star.
Also in regard of the theoretical limit. When attacking the Timewyrm's face a critical hit, while not under any attack buff would deal about 2785 damage on average on the first hit, while a crit on the follow up hit would deal 999 damage on average. If all 6 hits (3 initial strong and 3 secondary hits) were to be criticals that would produce an average damage output of 11352 which if you add the 8883 from the Channel Anger Burst would put you bearly above the required 20000 HP (20235 to be exact). Should any attack not be a crit you wont be able to kill the face like this. Assuming you get the Oomph when starting the battle the tail should be easier to take down. So with a ludicrous amount of luck (the chance for 6 crits is unspeakably low add the Oomph, favourable turn order etc.) The tymewyrm could be killed in 3+3+2=8 turns. Might be fun to watch a TAS achive this but no one should ever try this in person!
The first method described above is definitely doable without pretty much any extra luck, so I'd be excited to see you go for it, plus a minimum turn order of 10 just looks nice!
Those are some interesting ideas, thanks! I just assumed that mighty magic burst didn't get effected by channel anger, because it doesn't scale with magical might and it doesn't really count as a spell, so I didn't even test it
And now I tested it and it seems channel anger doesn't affect pep powers, sadly. Thanks for that idea anyways. Alternatively you could get a kaboomle that conserves mp and echoes for double crits, but I'll leave that to the TAS gang that doesn't exist yet
@@Easssae I just checked again and you're right, only the regular Magic Burst seems to be affected also Doleful Dirge, Spooky Aura and Anathemetize don't increase the Mighty Bursts Damage either :(
A regular Double Down from Eric with two Hunters Moons could add on average a rough 1375 damage to the tail, who has higher defenses and 1720 to the head. Follow that up with a Mighty Magic Burst for 5970 so that the tail needs to take 12655 damage in the first phase and the face 12310 for this to kill while still taking only 2 turns. The main extra diffiulty from this probably comes from needing to keep Eric alive longer to pull of the extra attack but with some investment in defense this should be possible. This is probably the best bet to get it down to 10 turns. However, with this change the theoretical limit again gets harder to achive, as Double Down would need to crit on every hit on the face aswell in order to build up enough damage to kill in 8 turns.
Edit: I also just had another think about the minimum turn count. If we are already considering these ridicolous chances for crits we could go all out and start of with Jade wearing the hare raising suit and attacking the first two phases with multifeet. Assuming all 7 hits crit every time that would be 6993 damage per use, used twice for each phase makes 4 turns total with 13986 damage dealt to each part. Add a mighty magic burst in the final phase for 5994 damage, 19980 damage total, so any target all spell or ability would kill. So this would bring down the theoretical limit to 6. (The Hare raising suit is only used so we don't have to worry about dying)
@@bonoadelt9644 I imagine the fastest kill would involve some mirror/spiked armor shenanigans, so I don't think about the theoretical limit too much. But the tail always uses kasap, so that probably makes double down more reliable
The unfortunate thing about Pep Powers, is they ignore just about everything, except elemental damage boosts for any that carry an element. Including physical attacks and physical boosts.
I did 117 moves on the time I won. Pure agony.
i use your method but it doesn't work, I try again but I always attack him
I played this game for over 100 hours on ps4 and switch each and I don't understand anything about this but nice work.
Yay platinum, ah finally.
Surely was a lot to do in this game, thanks the strategy with poison/victimizer helped me get this done.
Wth i don’t want to do this😭
Wait what??? How do you fight this boss? Never knew this existed
Me too
Does doing all that line up switching help your turn order? Or were you just being indecisive?
If you put someone out of the line-up and back in, they won't get their action for that turn, so it saves quite a bit
hes making it so only the damage dealers get the turn on the first part he forces erik to use up all the turn together with some of the set up characters for him to do huge damage.
Is it possible to kill the timewyrm's tale within the first phase?
No, damage dealt there caps at around 12.5k, no matter how high it ends up being
I cannot even begin to keep track of everything you're doing.
how can you access that ? I thought I finissed the game entirely and I've never seen that.
Clear tickington in its entirety
Aaaahh... so thats how. .
Beated it today in my last move with Hendrik, if it wasnt a crit i think i wouldve lost i never tought i would be so gratefull for a video game character, 106 actions by the way, good strat bro
Wth. How do you even find this boss?
Gotta do all the tockington missions
wait, is it possible to change equipment during battles??
@@LxAgVideos it's possible in any battle. In most dq games as well. One of the most overlooked mechanics for sure
@@Easssae Wow! Thanks! I have already finished the game but this info is very useful for the next DQ games i'm going to play. 😄
Has to be the worst thing is this game,the amount of frustration & disappointment from not getting a platinum cause this stupid ass boss
Is this only on the 3ds or for the ps4 as well??
_This looks like the 3DS to you?_
it's a secrete boss from the complete version on ps4
the full title for this version is "Dragon Quest XI S - Echoes of an Elusive Age"
I quite don't understand all the member switch, what kind of inpact does it has?
basically it skips actions that I don't want to make, so Veronica can act twice in a row or stuff like that.
@@Easssae So how exactly does that work? As far as I know, switching a character in skips their action.
So I'm guessing the way you did it, you leveled Erik's agility/deftness so much that on average he can act twice before the enemy, you then purposefully skip everyone else's action so that Erik can act twice back to back to reduce the total number of actions used. Is this correct?
Also, at 1:32 there's a graphical glitch with Jade's portrait appearing as she's pep'd up, despite her not being in a pepped state. Is that just for show, or does it change her stats any? Disruptive Wave seems to have no effect on it, either.
@@M30W3R the game still has a turn system, but it doesn't show it. If Erik goes first and you switch out someone else that loses their actions, if you already acted with Erik and swap him out on the last action of the turn for let's say jade, she'll get the next action (if she's fast enough) you only lose the ones within the turn you're currently in
@@M30W3R and that graphical glitch is just that, it doesn't effect gameplay at all
@@Easssae aight, gotcha, thanks friend
is this boss after calasmos or not? please tell me
It is, you need to complete tickington for it and one of the quests there wants calasmos dead
What is the reason for swapping chatacters around so much?
To take away their actions so I can avoid acting with characters that are less effective
@@Easssae interesting.
Never knew about this. Thanks
@@Easssaewon’t the enemy move first?
@@gb99xbear yes, but you just have to eat their turn to save actions
Why did you keep putting the hero and removing him constantly? Were you just unsure or is it some sort of rng strategy?
Neither, if you swap someone out before their action that means they won't get to act in a given turn. If their action never comes up I can only use the ones that I need and therefore save actions
I have to be missing something here. Why do you keep changing characters all the time? What does that do??
He's doing it so that his party don't eat up turns.
friend, how can you now tail is week to fire? I cant find any info about it
Excessive testing
How did you grind for so many seeds and how long did it take? Considering doing this tbh, and I’m using the casino pep pip method
If you just want to beat him in under 50 actions there's absolutely no need to grind seeds that hard. I don't remember the specific amount, but it was days of grinding for sure
Why do you keep shuffling your members back and forth? Is there a reason for that?
You don't get an action on the turn that you get switched in, so that allows me to skip past actions that I don't need to make
@@Easssae That might explain how easily I get annihilated by this guy. Each round for 4 rounds the head kept hitting crit spells.
but damn how can i get my team to be so good? like the stats, how can i boost them so much ? i just need that last set to get the platinum
This isn't meant as a guide on how to get sub 50 actions, it's a tought experiment to see how low I can take the action count. It took a lot of seed grinding and a ton of resets, which are both not at all necessary.
@@Easssae so is it possible to beat this boss even without having my team with super high stats? I tried yesterday, I have all of them at lvl 99 but I got wrecked, that's why I asked that, I think it's almost necessary to seed grind for this boss 😩
@@riccardoalivernini2361 it's definitely possible to do the boss seedless. Even with all draconian quests on. The easiest way is to farm pep pops beforehand
I know this is a late answer, but if you just want the platinum you can get the last costume set by playing the start of act 2 in 2D mode till you get to Jade's part
@@emayarikami3873So I did this cause fuck doing grinding for this super boss but you are right I just platinum the game so Thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Is this playing with no Draconian Quests?
I keep wanting to fight this boss but hate the whole tickington thing. It’s just a boring chore to me so always end up quitting halfway though it so figured i would just watch this video. Maybe eventually ill play it
I have two questions, as someone who is dreading this fight for the 100% completion.
1. How much grinding is required? I.e. Does Veronica *need* 999 MP for this to work?
2. How RNG dependent is this strategy, scale of 1 to 10? Like for the poison proc, for any knockdown moves the boss has, etc.
1. No, she doesn't need it. You can easily get the required turncount for the accolade with lower stats, it'll just take a bit harder. It 100% isn't worth grinding this much, it's just to see what the lowest actions count is.
2. 10
(actually could be worse, I described the 10 actions fight and that's pretty awful, rn I was getting a little under ~1/20 runs, but for 10 actions it'd go below 1/200. The moves he uses are set though and so you can get catholicon rings to get immunity against status effects)
Is it for the Switch?
I’m level 99 but how’d you get their HP up to 999??
Seeds
did you seed farm other than str for this fight?
Hp and mp obviously + agility on Erik
On NORMAL mode 2x Magic bursts at 9999 damage each means that a 1 TURN kill COULD be possible.
Magic burst is 3xmp damage, meaning 3k is the limit without buffs/debuffs. Then there's the damage cap. You can only do a total of 12.5k damage before they tag out, even if you do a displayed 50k damage. 8 Actions is the absolute lowest with perfect rng afaik
I wasn't sure since on normal mode this boss doesn't even have 12,500 HP so if you could do that much damage on your first turn then 4x actions is all you really need not 8.
@@veghesther3204both parts have 20k hp and this footage is from normal mode. Maybe you mean the final boss of act 2, who this boss is a reskin of?
Well if the entire party can do 9999 damage EACH the 4 actions is still all you need not 8 against this boss on normal mode.
@@veghesther3204Theoretically, but not even a single character can hit 9999 damage in a single move without prior set-up, not even with maxed stats
Finaly beat this guy on my 6th try on level 95 avg with no seed farming
can you fight timewyrm again?
yes
Use the sands of lost time
Dude how are all your characters so buffed??? Not even with all the seeds in erik are you able to get so buffed, did you cheat in some way or is there a seed multiplier hidden somewhere in the game???
Some enemies drops seeds, so you grind it from them. Specifically brownies on that one island.
@@Easssae duuuuuude were you bored lmao, I'm leaving the game as finished already, completed everything except for this sucker, and I don't want to farm more, thx btw
@@FTotox gotta do what you gotta do for the lowest actions clear
@@Easssaethose Brownies Only give twigs
that's the common drop, seeds are a rare drop. The base chance is super low, but can be increased @@plastidergeist
Well, that's really impressive 👏
Yea......if youre lucky
Veronica is using a staff that has a head looking like a raven clutching a gem in its beak...
*_o h n o . . ._*
Not hard, only unfair
when you play on xbox so you can't fight this boss
You can. I’m on Xbox one and did it. I got the edition from gamepass
@@benifer650 how you get it because i don't have it
@@karma-sk2rp Complete all of Tickington if you have the definitive version
@@damien18462 thats going to be a long one
@@karma-sk2rp yep
Veronica wins again....... Woman power!
Is it still Veronica though? Because that scepter she's using has what one might call a _pitiful_ story behind it...
I beat the boss at level 50
Lies lmao
@@FabzP96 No call skill and lots of practice can be done
You're talking about the one that appears earlier in the story. This is a super boss for post-game.
@@SparkVulpa level 50 is possible. There's a cheese strat that makes him possible at any level, as long as your agility is higher than his, which can be achieved with meteorite bracers
Nice work haha