Why your art is NOT improving 😭 (the science)
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Your art is improving, mine is getting worse, we are not the same
the good news is that there is always reasons behind this, maybe its that your eyes are getting better at spotting mistakes, maybe you're trying something new, developing bad habits, etc
theres always a way out
@@harrietjameson this is what i mainly realise my eyes are getting trained to spot mistakes so my art that i thought looked good like a month ago looks rlly bad now
@@harrietjamesonyour eyes being better at spotting mistakes is not valid since you can just always check back on your previous works tho
i had a years long gap then i got back to it, i made mad progress in a few months
butva few weeks ago everything i do has started sucking
like even worse than when i got back to it
it´s so frustrating 😅
Me: "Oh boy do I feel great this morning! I should work on my drawings!"
Ten hours later: I drew one line
I love your pfp
Time to draw!
My paper:
“And I’m severely depressed because of it”
same
Slow progress is still progress.
WE'RE MAKING IT OUT OF THE PLATEAU WITH THIS ONE🗣🗣🗣🔊🔊🔊
At this point, such a comment is obligatory for every video on youtube. Thanks, you're doing god's work!
I hope!! been stuck for a couple years now ;;
Your jokes have plateaued. You must try new ones if you want to improve
I read this as “we making out in the plateau” lmao 😭
@@darth_hylian well it's fine if you don't like such comments I kinda like them but eventually I too will get bored of them like you
DELIBERATE PRACTICE:
1. Learn the theory 5:18
2. Use references 5:36
3. Get Feedback 6:00
1 + 3...............everything is reference.
I honestly have been making great progress recently and I’ll I’ve changed is my mentality to art. I do it when I feel inspired, not because I force myself to.
People say “oh you have to learn to draw without motivation because you won’t always have it” but my solution to this is to just become more motivated. Listening to music and letting myself daydream, and then only drawing when I’ve gotten into the groove has helped me start my works. And once you’ve started, the rest you don’t really need motivation for.
Thx for saving me 10 minutes
Yep...This video is definetly for me. I like to just rush things and start right ahead but then again, It's the process that counts.
Hearing "2-3 hours a day" is seriously saving my mental.
Picked up drawing about a month ago and I am pretty tapped out after an hour or two of practicing new stuff.
Hearing how others grind out dozens of poses a day had me absolutely stunned. I am happy when I get one out a day lol.
I have two years, besides some fundamentals topic, what I struggle the most is patience and frustration.
Don't compare your speed to others. Speed comes naturally over time. Focus on the things you want to be able to draw.
What I do I just use a pencil ✏️ but the Ai i- pad videos help but I just draw for 15 to 25 minutes and do more later that day if you feel it so you don't burn yourself out I did that a month ago so draw when you want I'm just passed the stick figure stage and I use the todd McFarlane Spiderman spaghetti webbing to warm up.
& I watch
But don't compare yourself to them Man I can't do that.i did that and it set me back but look up
David finch
Proko
Brad's art school
Draw like a sir
Kaycem force push Michael mattesi
Liron Yanconsky there is one of Jim Lee ykL & I think Jim Lee
I don't stick to one
So good luck.
I am literally unable to draw for longer than 2-3 hours a day, because otherwise my tendonitis would flare up again and cause me physical pain whenever I use my fingers or wrist for anything. 🥲 (Acquired this from writing my bachelor thesis many years ago and it became chronic).
Either way, don't get discouraged because some people can draw for many hours a day. I have more than 20 years of drawing experience and I can assure you that drawing for so long at a time isn't worth it learning-wise. Your brain can learn better with shorter drawing sessions a day. And you would make less focus-related mistakes or oversights that way.
In German we have the word "Betriebsblindheit," which literally translates to operational blindness. It refers to sitting at a task for many hours, because you're in a workflow. However in this state you will gradually lose focus and it'll be more likely to make mistakes, which you will probably notice the next day, ending up disappointing yourself. Regarding Betriebsblindheit it's recommended to take breaks within worksessions, sometimes longer breaks or finishing the task the next day, because when you come back to it, you'll be able to look at your work from a different angle, allowing yourself to make better decisions for the next steps!
One thing that I have found to be helpful to also keep in mind is that in most cases, you probably are not going to be able to put your nose to the grindstone for 2-4 hours a day as soon as you make the decision to engage in deliberate practice on a consistent basis. As with pretty much anything you want to make into a habit, you will find a lot more success if you start out small. I have found that the pomodoro technique (for every 25 minutes you focus, take a 5 minute break) gives me a really solid frame of reference and helps me divide my time into measurable units that make me feel like I'm collecting exp points each time I finish one. You can start with just one 25 minute session a day (or as short of a session as you need it to be!) and slowly increase that time as you go.
great point!
recently I start to pick up my wacom again to start become serious about my art career, But I found out I have some issue while learning art. I think my art suck, So I learn, But after I study I will doubting myself that "am I actually learning?" "How is this study gonna help me? " "am I learning the 'right way' ? " and it make me become so frustrated and depress, until somebody point out my issue was keep studying but didnt draw any artwork to see how much I improve/what weakness I have. And from that day somehow the feeling of frustration and depress have disappear and I'm been enjoying drawing ever since.
Moral of my story: Dont kept studying just to be better, you need to actually draw a piece of artwork to output the knowledge you had learned and see how much you need to learn.
yep, i was so perfectionistic that i only studied for a year and made almost no actual art of my own, now im paying a hefty price, i have to re-build everything
Ah yes, gotta love how I'm watching this acting like I haven't stopped trying to get better for like 2 months. I was pretty consistent for a while there but then I made one drawing that I hated and I've not gone back since. The learning process has just become so dull for me, feels like I've been in limbo regardless if I practice the same things or try to learn something new, nothing really sticks in my mind
SAAAME
you're not alone in this buddy . we begginer artist just keep getting hit with frustrations and quitting but for some reason we just keep finding ourselves back to drawing, I've been quiting drawing for months then i always find myself going back to it
"How to stop being a perfectionist and giving up every five minutes" is a video I've desperately wanted to see for a while now.
@@329link I also do not really like anti-perfectionist sentiments because that is just a 'well, you could make a disney renaissance movie or a liveaction remake. both is movies, both is a cake someone will eat so so both is good' and that just....yknow.
I tried a drawing after a few months of daily practice. I failed spectacularly, super discouraging. You just gotta keep moving forward. Sometimes you just gotta brute force it, and accept that it'll take time.
I am still so grateful how I managed to improve my drawing body anatomy in males and females just by watching your videos. Not only that but now I have the ability to draw fluid, more detailed poses with no reference at all
When I started teaching Chinese painting, the most common question I got was, "How long does it take to reach your level?" I started answering that question by bringing my practice papers and showing students my stacks and stacks of paper on which I practiced just one kind of brush stroke hundreds of times. Then I would say, "The time it takes is less important than how you use it."
When I ask how long it took you to get good, I expect to hear a number, we are running a marathon here, you want to be able to see some measurements in time. Always hated these type of answers.
@@kurotesutahaving a time to compare yourself to can be negative for some people though, if you go over their window of time and still aren't at their level a lot of people will be discouraged and probably give up
Glad to know there's a 2 hour max out. I been feeling burned out and wanting to draw for hours and not seeing a huge improvement. There's so much to remember it can be overwhelming at times.
I practice for 1 hour a day and for me is hard to see results. I think it is how well you understand the topic.
@@kurotesuta Yes I'm struggling with anatomy right now. Slowly getting it though.
@@1nfinitysL1mithope you are having fun and be better day after day!
Nothing like sensei's videos for a boost of inspiration. I'm struggling through a massive art block.
I am no one to you but I wish all the best for your art journey
@@luckyadrianhutapea Thank you so much! That really means a lot to me!
Marc is spitting truth here. The secret to improvement isn't doing what you're already comfortable with. It's acknowledging what your weakness is, observing and deconstructing other people's process and then challenging yourself by applying that knowledge.
I can speak from personal experience. I can definitely see a noticeable improvement in my work in a pretty short amount of time. I've been pushing myself to do more dynamic poses, implement a better sense of dimension and volume to my subjects and, most of all, forcing myself to COLOR. I hate coloring. I think I'm terrible at it. But I've been forcing myself to color and push my color ranges as much as possible. I'm actually quite proud of myself, which is pretty rare for me.
Deconstructing other artist process is very hard. For example I struggle to figure out which brush to use to shade like my favorite artist, I even asked artists directly and the answer is nothing I can't work with. Hadn't find a good tutorial for shading (yes, I watched Marc's videos about the topic) and to this day struggle with that topic.
You upload, I like. No questions asked 😂.
I always come to this channel for art tutorials because it helps me out a lot with my progress. Looking forward to this video and more 🤟
Same
I agree with your advice, keep in mind to keep things fun and not get too lost in the studies and perfectionism
How to have fun when I can't even draw a cube or sphere correctly? 😩
@@togatasenpai7870if you're worried you arent doing it correctly, theres resources on different techniques you can try, but it still takes practice, people arent born with the power to move their hand in a perfect circle
Also, you shouldnt get your fun from drawing something that looks good or perfect, although it does feel good. You should just have fun drawing, let go of the perfectionism, learn that its okay to see flaws and work on them and have fun at the same time.
Its hard, but its doable, if not you might be drawing things you dont actually care about (happened to me)
Somehow those videos come in clutch everytime, thanks a lot!
WE'RE IMPROVING IN ART WITH THIS ONE ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️🗣🗣🗣🗣💥💥💥
Ur advice are always a huge help for many artist ! ^^ also i would like to mention your character design from your 2 ocs are incredible !! It tells so much about their personnality !
Whoa perfect timing. I've been feeling down lately because I feel stuck at art. Thank you for this vid!
This discusses some thoughts or mistakes I've had in the past years... Thank you for sharing the advice and motivation :) I really hope we can do it!
Really encouraging to watch it and notice that you have been practicing the "right" way. Thanks Marc.
Oh wow, thanks Marc! I didn't realise but I've actually been doing this(except for the third part that much lol)
THANK YOU 😊
Studying up to understand what you're struggling to draw is so true tho. By now, when I wanna draw new animals, I study up their skeleton first, and it not only makes it easier to draw proportions, but also to pose them quicker and easier. I get multiple references together, study their components and how they interact, and then filter out the most important parts of them that I can then use as ankers to replicate what I found by myself.
This is important _especially_ in animation - that's advice given by ghibli animators as well - if you don't understand the figure you're depicting, then movement will look janky and weird, bc some part of our brains still understand that "that's not how that should move"; even if we can't articulate it, it would still feel off somehow.
It's a bit of a relief to learn tho that there's a scientifically proven limit on how long it's possible to actually focus up like this, bc I always felt bad and frustrated when I couldn't practice for more than three hours at a time before my brain started going to shit
Ive been really pushing myself in my art. Iv learned im drawing alot more, drawings are taking longer and im paying attention to alot more things.
Its actually becoming alot more mentaly taxing. But also im finding more meanimg in my work.
I hope that shows visually in my work.
I like the focuses on art but I also like that you can really apply this to other things one might be learning/practicing as well!
Thanks for the video Marc, kinda needing this
Thank you for the video Marc :D
Thank you I needed this
Here's to another 7 Years, Happy Anniversary!
You are My hero you helped me during my burn out
Thanks Marc for another very helpful video this one will definitely help me get out of the spiral I’ve been in.
Another amazing video as always
Your videos are always top notch! Love the art!
Also, I think that you would have a lot of fun drawing animals, like dinosaurs or mystical creatures of sorts.
Thank you, Marc-sensei
This video helped a lot for getting a new point of view. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the video mark! I've definetly seen more improvement when I'm consciously looking for something. Referencing a past video, I'll learn more if I get to the knee, then look up references for the knee, learn it, apply it, then move on. The last point in the video is really important though, and something I think I'll be adjusting in my daily grind, that is, to kick off with sketches to losen up, then some of the learning stuff, and end with something more comfortable.
My 4yo son is so exited from your videos)
Love to hear it
young art king 👑
next Kim Jung Gi over here
meanwhile my 9 & 11 yo don't give a damn ;(
OMG HE’S BACK 🔥🔥
the color palette for these characters is amazing! Also yeah, I should practice more consistently...
This is very helpful for me. I am currently in the process of getting back into creating art after years of only doing it once in a while.
Next 3 months planing on getting 16 hrs of head drawing practice. Not hard to do in that time span, but job and kids. Definitely coming back too this video now and then in that time.
I am going to try the art school trial tomorrow and do some deliberate practice for once, lol. I have noticed now it has been a long time since I've drawn something properly out of the scope of what I know.
you posted this just as i was feeling my art progress was stagnant 😭
I guess that explains why I made so much progress in 3 weeks, because I was always going out of my comfort zone, doing lots of anatomy studies, and literally *drawing for 6-8 hours a day* I don't know why but every single step that I take has been giving me mad progress.
Chill, sensei. I barely just started.
this video was aimed directly at me thank you professor brunet
Finally OG marks art style is back 😭🙏
I am hoping once I move I can work more on my art. Right now I can't work on anything big so only doing small practice but trying to analyze what I am getting wrong and try to redraw what I got wrong. I have gotten better at seeing when I start getting lazy about where the lines should go and fixing it before the whole drawing is off.
ty for the vids ^^
Yeah thats fair. Literally like an hour ago I was looking at some old drawings side by side with some recent ones and thinking man, my art really hasn't improved much over these past few years. :( But ik its because not only do I not practice a lot but when I do its not the deliberate practice as described in this video, so of course I'm limited to how much better I can get just drawing from memory. Guess I really gotta tryhard if I wanna get back to improving again rahh. Thanks for this perfectly timed and very helpful video :)
Its funny how im still watching every single new video even tho they're not that helpfull anymore, the questions i ask now sadly only getting answers in books and paid courses, but im always here to get sum motivation and leave a like.
Gimme the art gainzzzz !!!
Marc is one of the few youtubers that actually get me to like when they ask
Thanks, Mark!
i always spent every drawing around 40 hours and never less that that. But i never satisfied with the results. This is helps me a lot! Thank you! ❤
1:14 It seems like you adopted part of May Yoyenma's artstyle, those tips of the hair are looking very Yoyenma-like! So good!
This might be helpful for me because I'm currently trying to get back to art since I haven't made anything for a while now and needing to catch up with my artistic skill.
Thanks for the advice.
So glad i watched till the end, don't want to be doing 'illegal' activities (😂). Gr8 video, as per usual and THANX for yet another tid bit of awesome information SENPAI! 🙇
My art isn't improving but that's because I haven't practiced in 3 years. This video gets me 1 step closer to maybe starting to think about practicing again. But that's all it takes
is Time to practice more .....💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 master mark
Thx so much marc, finally getting back into art after I moved houses
OK SIR
Thanks Marc :)
as someone who's never known focus my whole life like literally i could not be doing anything and my head is stil bombarded with random thoughts. back then when an artist tell me i need focus to improve always say screw that, it's not possible and i get irritated upon hearing that idea but now I'm trying my best to acknowledge it bit by bit and I'm beginning to agree with them.
I can't focus, too much going on in my brain.
I try to but i just can't.
i've recently started to work on bigger more realistic pieces and i'm amazed at how good they've turned out...shame i was limiting myself all this time
want to join your class but can't right now. hope when i can there's a sale or when i can i have it so i can learn from you. though ty for the vids
Great video as always. I enjoy the drawing, specially the cute girl with pants. Thank you for sharing!
I'm just happy these videos exist, i went through art school nearly a decade ago and was taught all the wrong things with only a handful of instructors actually being great at teaching, went into art school with decent talent and developed downwards due to stigmas or poor teaching and came out worse than when i went in on top of graduating during an economic depression didnt help
Thanks for the informative class, Mr Mark! Have a tip of one comment to show my appreciation!
I like to remember that nizmo exhaust video when you talk about you art school
Great video, Marc! Do you have any tips on juggling projects and studies, for us semi-professionals in desperate needs of keeping our portfolios up to date while still doing studies to improve our skills?
Wow this is so amazing to hear. I was trying to cram 8 hours of studying a day
When I start getting paid again (yay new job), I am DEFINITELY paying for the art school program. I have improved exponentially from watching and practicing Marc's suggestions in just under a year and a half. This guy is a phenomenal artist AND teacher.
One more gem from marc
Bro your newest 2 videos are so relatable to me. I've been drawing since 2016 and my art is still super meh
Never had an idol before but I think you are my first one. Artistically but especially as a human.
Thank you SO MUCH for making learning accessable not only through your art school course but these free YT-videos as well
Hope it isnt socially inappropriate to say this. I'm just super thankful for this learning opportunity in a world where education is often only for the rich
Have a great week and thank you for your work!
I started sketching just pokemon and other cartoon things. It was fun it was therapeutic and eventually I got the courage to try drawing something original instead of just a sketch. And oh boy it was horrible. I felt so defeated. But then I realized I just don't know a lot of things. So I went back to sketching objects and pictures again. Then I tried to be original again. There were still lots of issues, but way less than before, I even noticed how I incorporated stuff I had practiced with. The important thing is you can't draw what you can't visualize. Thanks for helping clear the thoughts in my head on this. Excellent video overall.
Hey mark great video I've had some issues improving my art from half an year.
Context: I'm an intermediate-advanced ish artist who has a decent grip on all fundamentals and wants to focus on improving my rendering
Ps: I'm an artist who has practised all fundamentals to a good extent but my art doesn't look impressive from a technical standpoint
I can't figure out a good way to practise and improve rendering
I'd be eternally grateful to get feedback on this problem
Lately I’ve been struggling with burnout and insecurity and I feel this lol
Bro uploaded the moment I checked my phone
Good I would observe that almost nobody will do only regular practice on the long term without trying to be deliberate , at least sometimes. To sum it up the essence is PRACTICE EVERY SINGLE DAY and you'll eventually get there.
what fucks me up the most is that i want to draw what i'm imagining at the moment, and some of my art ain't that bad but still at beginner level. i know that i have to practice to get good at it but i find the process of learning so boring that it literally stops me from practicing, it's not because i'm lazy, i just don't see the point of spending so many hours or even days practicing, and the level i wanna reach is the same as SinCastermon does his art, he's gotta be one of my biggest inspirations to even learn to draw
(and i say that when i've wasted around 2.5k hours in tf2)
gotta find a way to make learning fun, there is just so much you get out of it, a very valuable life skill
or is it practice that gets you? what exactly is demotivating you?
Maybe lower your expectations, dont worry about all the hours ypu gotta put in to reach your goal, set some smaller goals in between and find ways to enjoy the process and your drawings, even if they arent perfect
@@harrietjameson i don't think anything in specific is demotivating me, it's just that I find studying anatomy, perspective and all that crap extremely boring and tedious to do, and like, it's something that you'd need to do lots and lots of times to start getting good at, and I have a tendency to give up on certain things too early if I find it too hard, this is one of them. I think if I had a teacher who could teach me, but that's not the case, I'm just one of that type of artist who are learning to draw by self-teaching.
@@sympathizeq there are ways to study it in a fun way, find fun references, turn the studies into cool drawings, take breaks and doodle
it doesnt have to be boring, also try to find some community, there are lots of art discord servers, could help
heres some tips i got from perspective and anatomy: Learning perspective by doing those weird vanishing points and grids is extremely tedious and not that helpful in most cases (depending on the art you do). Try learning intuitive perspective
Anatomy is also very tedious, there is just so much to learn but the good thing is that you can start small and it will contribute a lot to your observation and drawing skills.
I recommend starting with the skeleton as that will start giving you an idea of all the areas where theres extra thickness due to muscle and fat, like the thighs and calves for example.
@@sympathizeq there are ways to study it in a fun way, find fun references, turn the studies into cool drawings, take breaks and doodle. Remeber, getting good takes time, but you will still see improvement regardless, be happy about every little step you take
it doesnt have to be boring, also try to find some community, there are lots of art discord servers, could help
heres some tips i got from perspective and anatomy: Learning perspective by doing those weird vanishing points and grids is extremely tedious and not that helpful in most cases (depending on the art you do). Try learning intuitive perspective
Anatomy is also very tedious, there is just so much to learn but the good thing is that you can start small and it will contribute a lot to your observation and drawing skills.
I recommend starting with the skeleton as that will start giving you an idea of all the areas where theres extra thickness due to muscle and fat, like the thighs and calves for example.
Yes. lesson time
After watching this i felt like im going to be yoneyama mai
Omg he extended it. Dude I wanted to sign up for the program but money woes + rent. Thank you Marc 🙏🏿
I never clicked so fast on a notification
Same!
That's the reason why I dropped drawing 9 years ago, and stayed with watching others and their results.
Hes correct on this. Experienced it myself. If i put not only effort (physical motor skills and muscle memory) into drawing, but also actively thinking about it,
while also actively seeing how its supposed to look, i gain a lot of insight and improve a lot quicker. But, hes also on point on that one, cant really do that long. I tap out after around an hour or two. I continue drawing then, usually, but not as actively.
The hardest part for me was accepting, that i wont be as good as the artists i have around me. At least, not in the near future. Because, well, it takes years to get to that lvl.
But thats okay. As long, as i am improving, i will reach that skill lvl at some point.
Omg THIS!!
Your Art School improved my learning habits SO MUCH because instead of watching some TH-cam-Video or Pokemon-Episode whilst drawing, I listen to the class and make specific notes and sketches about that. Once you know what deliberate learning feels like, it'll be like a complete explosion of your skills and learning-opportunities
Funny to me that Art taught me how to study but neither school nor university did though :b
Edit: I even feel like knowing how to study makes the learning super addictive (or it's just autistic me soaking every piece of information in like a sponge with no other duty but to have F.U.N. with ma starfish friend and learn about the wonders of our world)
I don’t know if this is something you’ve touched on before, but is it possible to create a tutorial on how to draw character sheets for consistent character features? I understand how to maintain proportions with turning heads, but not rotating up and down. I struggle with placing features to when the head is tilted up or down to make a character look consistent
can you teach us how to draw a fight scene? and how to use hatching to an expression that something is moving, like they why use it in manga
"Sit your cheeks down" got me good
Thumbnail on point lmao
When it comes to feed back in your art school program, I see there is a paid version that has limited slots available, but if we can't do that is it the discord that people use for feedback in the regular program?
yes
Hey Marc, what's the best way to reach you for feedback? I been drawing for more than two years, and the big struggle has always been trying to understand content from art teachers, like you. So far you have the best explanation generally but there's, I think room for improvement. I have your course, but I still struggle with the fundamentals.
Question for art school do you need to know much or already have a good skill to join school? Or can people with some basic knowledge join even if its nit great?
I just gotta accept that my art will never be smooth and just embrace the terrifying jagged linework and get really good at that
I think I may have ADD after seeing symptoms online, hopefully after looking for treatment I can break out of this rut.
I haven’t even drawn just struggling to study
"While half watching a TH-cam Art School Class"
Got me.