The Philosophy of Hulk - Self-Hatred vs Self-Preservation
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Just to clarify: Although Banner viewed the Hulk as an imaginary friend in the comics, this does not mean this is the experience people with Dissociative Identity Disorder have of their Alters. To learn more about DID read www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/dissociative-disorders/
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The Incredible Hulk will forever be not just my favorite superhero, but my favorite character period!
same here, buddy. 😊
Me too
This just proves why the Hulk needs a movie. Seriously universal, you're sitting on a golden IP. Immortal Hulk movie anyone?
Disney have no balls for Immortal Hulk movie, come on.
I NEED an Immortal Hulk movie
Or maybe it would work better as a tv show
I disagree that the hulk doesn’t care about others “depending which hulk” he’s shown empathy on several occasions, he is very emotional but that includes empathy
Hulk is such a great character and is my number 1 favorite character in all of fiction. So complex and strangely relatable in many ways (to me). Really wish he was done properly in the current films and mainstream projects.
I’m sorry but 24 seconds in and I ALREADY love this video! FINALLY! Someone said exactly what I said! Hulk/Banner is one of the most intriguing comic characters of all time but mainstream media just sees him as dumb brute side character. It’s frustrating.
This...this is why i love the hulk cusse i can relate to him, the self hatred, the feeling that yout the bad guy, the guilt of something you didint even know about, and the anger, the anger that builds up and erupts when you least expected, im still dealing with the anger the hate, but now i know that im not trully alone....right
I'm working on a fantasy story with similar themes. However, the general representation of the id vs superego (I call them the Primal Mind and the Noble Mind) is represented by Infernal spirits and Celestial spirits. Or simply put angels and demons. Demons represent the Id, base instincts, desires, and needs, and focus on self-preservation. Angels represent the superego, morality, honor, ideals, and focus on abiding by the laws and morals of one's surroundings.
In my experience, evil doesn't tempt you with selfish desires. It instead uses morality to take advantage of your sense of compassion, telling you to get involved with problems that are beyond your control or even none of your business, making you feel obligated to sacrifice more than you can afford, draining you of your resources, and making you harm yourself or others in the name of doing what's considered right. So, the only way to defend against this evil is to think of yourself and for yourself first and foremost, while being considerate of others. So, basically, I plan on showing demons in a more positive light while using both religious and political themes.
Fascinating
Cool
This is an interesting and very thoughtful aproach, my friend, i hope you have developed this story succesfully
I’m a writer too and, no matter what specific genre or topics i delve into, i always involve a psychological and paranormal aproach on the morality of my characters
He my favorite superhero and the monster Bruce banner try to be hero
Love how you cite different pieces of Hulk media as you go along - it’s clear that you have a deep understanding of this character and are more than willing to back it up with proof. Awesome vid!
He's the Yin and Yang as a person the two people who's more then just muscle and brain not just because he has a liking for little glass animals which I think it adorable, they represent the struggles of two people in one body
To say the hulk's got no heart would be a flat out lie. I still remember when he met his cousin Jennifer in the 90's animated series. The dude was surprised he was not alone in the world and was willing to protect her at all costs. Even when she became, She hulk he regarded her in much the same way he saw Betty.
EMH was the best
He's definitely MY favorite superhero.
I'm really glad I got reccomended this! Your videos are really well explained and I can see true passion in your content, can't wait for more!
The Latter Iteration is voiced by Fred Tatasciore
It definitely feels the character is under utilized and is just played for gimmicks when his story and theme is one of the most compelling of any “hero” story’s. Hulk was always my favorites even when I was a kid cause it was kind of unclear how you were supposed to feel about him, even from a child’s point of view. Spider man was the hero, captain America, hero, any avenger or well known marvel type was just there to do good even if they had their ins and outs. But hulk was probably the first character that actually made me think a little as a kid and showed the grey area of life and that things aren’t so simple.
Been my favorite since I was a toddler I used to read all the old Peter David comics and a lot of the other comics
I think it's more restraint vs impulse than self-hate vs self-preservation. Hulk has definitely been more proactive.
I really appreciate this video 🙏 thank you from one hulk fan to another Bruce banner fan
Now the scene in She Hulk where she says she has it worst aged like milk even more.
Amazing video, well done. Hope to see a similair video of yours in the future
Thank you!
For someone starting out this is a really good essay. Quick and concise but your points are interesting and you get them across really well. Hope you make more :)
Thank you!
Huh I never noticed that before. This is a great analysis videos. Short sweet and to the point, but still clear and precise.
Good thoughts and observations.
Glad you liked it!
Great work!
Thanks!
Such a good video
Thanks!
Interesting take man! I like the Hulk too! It would be great to see more of these kind of videos!
Thank you!
I never Believe The hulk Was a Monster He's more of a child who doesn't Understand The 🌎 Round Him
The Hulk has other human friends one of them theorized that the Hulk is harmless unless provoked
That’s an interesting thought!
Most of the time if he’s raging out for no genuine reason then just leaving him alone for a bit will solve the problem and he will calm down(now if he wants getback bc you did him wrong tough shit you’re cooked)
So the fact that heroes still try to jump him when all they really need to do is remove him from population centers is kinda wild. Half the damage hulk causes is bc no one listens when he says to leave him tf alone
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Like Wolverine, the Hulk is misunderstood as a monster but he's more than that. In the comics, The Hulk is a manifestation of Bruce Banner's Dissociative identity disorder due to the abuse of his father, Brian. It takes a certain trauma to unleash the monster within. But despite his destructive nature, The Hulk is and will always be a Force for Good.
And for God's sake, Give him a solo film, already Disney!!! I get angry when they make stupid decisions.
honestly hulk is the one super hero where he works best being explored post origin, cause movie hulks are always about the inciting incident and banner trying to repress his anger until the big fight at the end, but banner and hulk are way more interesting after they have some control over when they transform and the hulks own personality gets defined.
the closest we ever get to that in the mcu is thor ragnarok but they don't so much agree to exist together but bruce surrendering himself to the hulk personality until the sequal where hulk just refuses to be used after being beat up by thanos, which don't get me wrong, is actually an amazing plot for a hulk story, but it wasn't a hulk story and its resolution was cut. and personally i just hate professor hulk in concept.
i like when hulk is smart, earths mightiest heroes is a good example, he rightfully gets offended at the avengers assuming he'd go rampaging when he walks off to blow off steam and knows the tiniest bit of science, he does have a scientist in his head afterall he would pick up some things, but professor hulk is just banner with hulks powers. it's just super lame both cause its zero downsides reducing character drama and it erases a very interesting character dynamic.
especially stings cause ragnarok and infinity war actually shown the hulk having a character beyond "grrrr i'm angry" or "smash >:3" giving hope for a solo movie but no, professor hulk, and the sequal is him training another normal person with hulk powers, i'm sure she hulk is a decent character in the comics but just seems like such a downgrade to the originals character.
I agree! I think one of the worst parts about Professor Hulk was that he came about off screen. we didn't get to see the mental and emotional turmoil of Hulk and Banner working through their problems. It was just BAM, Hulk dabs now. I also thought Hulk was played mostly as a joke in infinity war and End game, which I found really disappointing.
Banner/Hulk is my favorite Marvel character.
I highly recommend reading Hulk Season One.
I'd love to know what you think about that interpretation.
I feel like it does an interesting job combining elements of these two incarnations along with his original 60s depiction.
Great suggestion! I'll try get my hands on it!
@@nerdstudios_ thanks for the reply. In fact, most of Marvel Season One is worth checking out. Hulk, Iron Man, X-Men, & Fantastic Four were especially good in my opinion. There were several other good titles. But those were the ones that I remember most. It was basically "what if" style reimaginings of their 60s origins in the Modern Era, with new twists and characterizations.
But not as edgy or dark as Ultimate Marvel or DC Earth One.
great vid! however make sure to fix 5:06 you said bruce needs banner instead of hulk need banner ;) i dunno if that is what you mean but it jus sounded strange. i love vids that go into hulks inner psyche!
Thanks so much for the feedback! I did intend to say 'Bruce needs Banner', the point being that Bruce is made from two parts (Hulk and Banner) which he needs equally. But you're right I did annunciate it weirdly 😂
What are your thoughts on the Peter David era?
Sadly I haven't been able to read any of Peter David's work on Hulk yet, but would really love to in the future!
I disagree with one small point which is actually quite large. Banner isn't the super-ego. Banner is the ego. The ego is the one who tries to hide the id. It's the super-ego who balances the id and the ego. In more modern psychological terms we say executive function instead of super-ego.
Thanks for your thoughts! I decided to label Banner as the Superego (our internalised sense of right and wrong) because he punishes Bruce with guilt (as the superego does to the ego) and because my point was that Bruce had to learn to mediate between the Id and the superego (as the ego does). But my knowledge of the psychodynamic theory is only A-level standard so could be wrong 😂
@@nerdstudios_ - As I understand it your view of Banner as the super-ego is correct in Freudian terms. However later theories have changed the roles of the three parts.
@@LikeToWatch77 ooh okay, i didn’t know that, thank you!
Does anyone know what the comic is called
‘Hulk: Grey’ by Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale. They’ve done similar stories for Captain America, spider-man and daredevil!
@@nerdstudios_ thanks man
I know thw music was made by you but do you have a name the music you made for this video
I haven't released the music I use in these videos yet so I just call it Nerd Intro as a working title 😂 I might release it on my Kieren Peatling Spotify page in the future though.
@@nerdstudios_ Nice, please let me know when you do, it's really nice to hear
@@joshuaskywalker3748 Hello! I’ve released the music on Spotify and Apple Music, just search Kieren Peatling and it’ll be there!
@@nerdstudios_ Awesome
Did you like Jack kirby version I want more hulk cartoons
From what I know about it I enjoy Kirby's version but don't really like how he turns to Hulk by the moon in the original run. Unfortunately I have not been able to get my hands on the full Kirby run yet. But I agree, Hulk cartoons for the win!!!
@@nerdstudios_ I like this comic book too jack Kirby and jeph lob
"Bruce needs banner to stay moral", Thats just what i heard. I could be deaf tho. Hope this doesn't insult you. Just felt like pointing that out. P.s, The time being 5:06.
That is what I said! Out of context it doesn't make much sense, but I was making a distinction between the three parts of Bruce Banner: Banner, Hulk and Bruce or the Superego, Id and Ego respectively. So Bruce as a person needs the critical part of him (Banner) to keep him moral. Hope that makes sense, thanks for the feedback!
@@nerdstudios_ sorry about that, I just thought it was strange, I. Thought bruce was an entirely different entity, and I was like, "... h u h ". Ps. I mean bruce as in another hulk of sorts. Not the whole "hulk is bruce but angry" thing. I thought bruce was another separate entity from hulk and Bruce Banner.
To bad ironman didn't arrive till a year later stop rewriting history your bastardizing Stan's story not your fault just people with no imagination write your own stores
The fuq?