For the line out recordings, both sound very good. The default Yamaha sounds brighter than the default Casio, but that does not necessarily mean brighter is better. They are just different. For the stereo mic recording, keep in mind the placement of the recording mic and the speakers on the keyboards can greatly affect the perceived sound quality of the keyboard and built-in speakers. Notice the speakers on the Yamaha seem to be on top projecting more directly to the Zoom recorder while the main speakers on the Casio are on the back facing almost perpendicular to the mic and may be partially blocked by the placement in front of the Yamaha. This can greatly affect the sound of the recording.
Over a mangled MP4 the Yamaha does it for me. The last test was the most helpful. The Casio sounded 'Crystally' to coin a phrase but it's a really subjective choice because as we age the frequency response of the ears changes dramatically (read turns to crap) and I started playing 53 years ago. Still I enjoy these 'shootouts' - cheers.
yamaha has clear an brighter sound....good for recordings and bands, while casio sound warm surround , perfect for a solo singer. It fills up the song!
I prefer the casio px- s1000. I like the px -s3000 even more because it has more piano variation that sounds even better but I understand that yamaha wasn’t compared to that one.
Felicitações a todos amantes de musica e piano. Tenho um casio px 350 por alguns anos e gosto muito da ação do teclado. As minhas queixas são quanto a amostra de piano principal no setor medio : dó 4 e região , e percebi que esse detalhe se mantem nesse modelo recente Px-S1000. Não sei como é a ação do yamaha P125 mas as amostra são mais agradaveis.
Just bought a P121 for me after studying this review. Although the 88-key Casio wasn't really an option due to limited room, fortunately I found the Yamaha's keybed and sound more favorable, and got a good preowned unit dead cheap! Thanks always for your informative & fun videos!
I like these objective comparison videos - present the instruments and let the viewers/listeners decide which they prefer. Yamaha brighter, Casio warmer. But I give the edge to Yamaha for their stereo field processing. Listening to line-out, it sounds like you're seated in front of a grand piano playing, while the Casio stereo field seems to wander around a bit.
They sound close but found the Yamaha to be a little bit brighter in the sound, the Casio beeing slightly duller. I think they both have a good dynamic range in them.
The new Casio px- s1100 sounds even better that the older s1000 now. I've tried both and the new Casio has better depth and cleaner sound than the p125 in my opinion.
Я мало что понимаю в том, что Вы говорите, потому что не знаю английского языка! Но понимаю Вашу музыку и вижу, что Вы интересный, весёлый человек и отличный музыкант! Ваши видео это как глоток свежего воздуха! Спасибо!!! I don't understand much about what You say, because I don't know English! But I understand Your music and see that You are an interesting, fun person and a great musician! Your videos are like a breath of fresh air! Thanks!!!
I personally love the sound of Yamaha's pianos, thus I prefer the P121 :). Nothing wrong with the Casio though, really nice sound as well. But I prefer Yamaha's sound.
Sold my casio 120 n bought a Yamaha 125. After playing it for awhile, I miss the sound of the casio so i sold my yamaha n went ahead n bought a casio px3000. Must play both side by side to see the difference.
i think you're right, both are great! they sound very different, but so do two different acoustic grands and one is not better than the other, just different!
@@Astronomater I have a hard time deciding between Roland FP-10 and Casio PX-S1000. I prefere the slimness of Casio but the key action of the Roland. Stuck!
The speakers are facing up on the Yamaha but they are at the back of the casio so the mic test isn't really a fair comparison when it's in that position.
I'd pick the Yamaha. It sounds more refined and polished but the Casio is surprisingly close. I own a P125 and I feel like Casio sounds "almost" there.
so much value in the px s1000. i recommend u sell your p125 to get a px s1000.. feels soo good playing it. it absolutely punches above its price category.
The Casio sounds a bit more like one is sitting at an acoustic piano playing it in the room, while the Yamaha sounds a bit more like a well-recorded piano.
I would choose CASIO. On the bright tones yamaha does win, but the mellowness of CASIO just blows away my heart.....contrary to YAMAHA, for me the sound of CASIO flutters my heart more.
Thank you for this video, as an audience we can really compare them. After watching too many hours of reviews, I can finally say that there's no MEANINGFUL difference sound-wise between these (especially considering the massive difference in price between these 2 models in my country *one monthly min wage salary of difference*) I will have to test the action myself since there's no accurate way of conveying it. I'm left to wonder the long-term build quality of these and hope that the buttons and keys don't wear too quickly.
I hear a more covered, heavier sound on Casio, and a more dry and clean sound from Yamaha which gives me a more precise sound feeling/sensation, I think I prefer Yamaha sound tho I own myself a Casio cause is more affordable
Just thought I would ask an honest piano reviewer like you, how does the glossy plastic on the px 1000 hold up long term? I don't want an instrument getting heavily scratched and ugly when paying so much.
I can hear low pitches on the left side, high pitches on the right side through Casio. But there's no like this in Yamaha. I think Yamaha focused on sound quality. And Casio focused on performance.
That's very interesting about the stereo. I wasn't listening for that, but it's an important consideration if you want to gig your portable piano. Over-reliance on stereo is a bummer on all but the smallest stages, because it comes out as mono once you connect to the main PA. Even the pianist may have difficulty hearing himself in stereo unless he has his own PA or the venue is so intimate that the built-in speakers serve as monitors. I always wonder what imperfections a manufacturer is trying to conceal with stereo trickery. At this pricepoint (well below 1000 euros) gigs are probably not the main application, fortunately. I don't recommend spending more than say 1300 euros on any portable piano. It's better to get a stage piano.
Firstly congratulations to you for the channel .. really liked the simple and yet so useful review of the product .. actually I am thinking of buying this piano for myself so I have a few things to ask .. 1. Would it be better to wait for some time expecting Yamaha to launch the successor of this model (2018)in the near future looking at their trend in timeline ( every 3 years ) and also because ‘summer NAMM 2020’ is just around the corner ? 2. Although I am not much experienced in this but from all what I could research I understood that ‘Action of the keys’ and ‘sound quality’ are the two most important things .. so I would be so thankful if you share your experience a little more elaborately .. is the ‘GHS action’ and those ‘7 watt amplifiers’ and 4 speakers sufficient enough to give that ‘FEEL’ ? .. are there some other options in the same price range which I should consider ?
Tbh I'm not sure if I'm describing it well, but I feel like the casio voices "don't blend" together on the final sound and that's what causes the weird "artificial sound" effect some say, can someone confirm feeling something like that too?
It is very difficult to be sure from TH-cam which sounds better. The Casio has a hall or ambience feature - not sure if the Yamaha has. This is demonstrated on some other videos. That makes a significant difference to the sound, and can give the Casio more apparent power. To get that effect and change the sounds one has to read the manual, and use the key codes. At times the Yamaha seems to have a bit more depth at the very low bass end - more like a Steinway, but there's perhaps not much in it. Experimenting with the ambience effects on the Casio may give players a sound they like, though maybe the "Steinway bass" can only be achieved with the Yamaha. Perhaps cost and availability are the main criteria right now. Additionally, under normal circumstances it should be possible to go to a piano store and try out the keyboards which would at least also give some impression of the weight and feel of the instruments, but for most of the last year (2020) and all of this year so far, this has not been possible due to quarantine restrictions, and since some of us may want to have an instrument to help us get through the year, decisions will probably have to be made without a hands on assessment. Most reviews seem to suggest that these instruments are overall close in sound and features. The Casio is nice and slim and can fit in small spaces, and it can also be used with batteries if that is something one wants. Pianists who want to perform live might prefer other models - such as the Casio PX S3000, as they have lights and a screen which enable fast mode changes, whereas both the pianos here work with codes from the instruction book files. The Yamaha does have buttons for instrument changes. However, the Casio PX S3000 does cost more and takes up more space. It also has a few other features for Midi - a control wheel and extra control buttons.The same will probably be true for other stage pianos.
This is where people will show their brand bias. The reality is, they both sound extremely similar to me and the biggest problem I have with either of them is the speaker configuration. The Casio volume will sound lower than it is, because they point it away from you and I returned a Px-870 because of this problem and that’s a win for Yamaha. On the other hand, Yamaha not using their CFX samples and VRM technology in the 125 really gives the Casio an edge in dynamic range and it shows in visualization of the sound waves, as the Casio was often more full. Yes they sound similar, but having some physical modeling can smooth out the looping sounds.
I haven't tried either of these but right now I'm happy with the variety of pianos on the iGrand app although finding a controller with good piano like key action in an affordable price can be a challenge. The better action boards usually come with a good selection of onboard pianos and you don't have to worry too much about software updates and operating system issues. I might try both of these hardware brands at my local instrument store. Mostly for the key action and midi utility so I can still use my ios apps if I want. I've read that the Casio may have a slightly lighter action than the Yamaha, which might be better for me.
Thanks Woody It's clipping on the louder sections and distorting through my speakers. Just lower the gain - you don't need that waves limiter. Casio in real life sounds better - my friend has one - but I agree with that midi file the yamaha sounds better. Casio sounds terrible here not sure why - definitely in stereo? Appreciate your enthusiasm and playing 👍🏻
Yamaha on this one Woody. A much better sound to work with. There seems to be an issue with the generic bit rate on the Casio. I appreciate that this is not to do with the way that it has been recorded by you, as you have recorded them both identically. The overall sound quality of the Casio is not quite there - dynamically and tonally. Cheers.
To my (untrained) ear and looking at the graphs, the Casio seems to have more sustain? Although the Yamaha seems brighter, but I guess the different Gnd Piano options with the Casio could alter that significantly?
good point, nothing I noticed whilst playing. could also perhaps be more reverb, I suppose you could adjust or choose different pianos, but not sure the effect would be significant.
i'd say both are kinda compromised due to cost cutting, both plasticky with shortish keys, both are fun to play though and get the job done, not much to choose between them really.
@@WoodyPianoShack thanks for the honest feedback! Do you think the slightly more expensive workstations such as the korg kross 2 offer anything more as far as action and piano sound quality go?
Very interesting comparison. Maybe it's just me, but this is what I hear. I think Casio has fuller detail via the line output. I hear more overtones like hammer, body and string resonance. But the built in speakers are far better on Yamaha. But that's not the real difference. The diiference between any two hammer action digital piano are a way too smaller by a factor or two, than the difference between a non-hammer action keyboard and any hammer action digital piano.
I don't know anything about the resonance types (I'm an beginner keyboardist) but I had the same feel. The Casio sounds brighter and more detailed in the line outputs. In the speakers my choice is the Yamaha, they sound direct to the player and thus has more volume and bass.
Confession: I’ve just started the video, but I’m shocked at how stubby the Yamaha keys are. Comments suggest most people like the sound on the yammy better, but the contrast on the key size is stunning.
Another refreshingly different video concept from Woody. And it's so nice to hear the word "real" in connection with a real (live) musician instead of as a way of distinguishing "real" (acoustic) pianos from "fake/toy" (digital) pianos. Yes, my point is that they are all real pianos and it's time that certain other reviewers got up-to-date on that. The test confirmed what I had already noticed recently. The main piano sounds of Yamaha and Casio are not very different in character (not in these models) but the Yamaha built-in speakers are vastly superior. Actually, I prefer these piano sounds (both brands) to those of the Roland FP offerings, probably because I have Yamaha ears 🤣having owned 4 Yamaha digital pianos. But Yamaha needs to improve the actions on all models sub 1000 euro. The GHS action is outdated. The P-125 needs more features or a lower price tag, but the P-121 (featured here) has a fair price IMO. And 73 keys are enough on an entry level piano.
Ok - listened all the way through - and I find that the Yamaha sounds consistantly brighter. It almost sounds like the difference between playing a grand with the top open and then closed..... The Casio sounds good but I’d have to add some extra processing to bring it up to the Yamaha’s standard....
Yamaha sounds better, Casio sounds more artificial somehow. Probably has something to do with the way it emulates various piano resonances. What makes ot bard to compare because the samples are different. In any case Casio is wonderful for its price.
This is click bait, as the presenter has already indicated, the comparison is flawed, cos a real piano player, responds to each piano and adjusts their playing! Also flawed cos he's using a limiter (Waves L2) so you are not always hearing exactly what each piano produced in loud passages. The Internet really has no standards. No editorial scrutiny, no opportunities to redact, or address errata, once its published that's it...all for clicks and cash. About time I stopped watching all these contrived videos that do not really tell me the whole truth !! And it does not tell you anything about how it feels to actually play them which is probably as important as the sound... But seriously all these cheap - produced to a low cost pianos, have a terrible keybed feel, if you are serious about improving or enjoying your piano playing, simply avoid, for non portable digital pianos, you are unlikely to get anything decent until you spend about £3000 to £5000, and for portable keyboards, just get a stage piano such as the Yamaha CP88, or Roland RD 2000, or Nord Grand, which cost between £1700 and £2700 approx. Trying to save money on these cheapies is a total waste of time, they sound terrible in real life, with horrible in-built tinny speakers, and their keybed is a joke - and this applies to all the manufacturers - Kawai, Roland, Yamaha, Korg. If you want to play nice, and sound nice, you will have to spend some big bucks....A they say buy once and cry once... Middle of the road exceptions which could get the job done, are the Roland FP90 for about £1250, anything less capable is a joke piano...
on my channel you'll find another video describing in huge detail the other features of both these pianos, and even comparing action to grand piano. regarding the peak limiter, that is essential, or would you prefer to listen to a very quiet video with as recorded with -12db headroom, or would you prefer that I just push up the volume without any limiter so you either get clipping, or have the transients at 0db so that everything else is inaudible (well, really quiet unless you crank up your volume!? L2 is only pulling down an occasional transient as you can see on the video. Remember also that TH-cam is transcoding and normalizing audio files. My goal was to give the viewer and potential buyers a comparison of the character of the two pianos, which is valuable for those that are unable to try themselves. Interesting and useful feedback though, thanks for the comment! :)
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For the line out recordings, both sound very good. The default Yamaha sounds brighter than the default Casio, but that does not necessarily mean brighter is better. They are just different. For the stereo mic recording, keep in mind the placement of the recording mic and the speakers on the keyboards can greatly affect the perceived sound quality of the keyboard and built-in speakers. Notice the speakers on the Yamaha seem to be on top projecting more directly to the Zoom recorder while the main speakers on the Casio are on the back facing almost perpendicular to the mic and may be partially blocked by the placement in front of the Yamaha. This can greatly affect the sound of the recording.
Over a mangled MP4 the Yamaha does it for me. The last test was the most helpful. The Casio sounded 'Crystally' to coin a phrase but it's a really subjective choice because as we age the frequency response of the ears changes dramatically (read turns to crap) and I started playing 53 years ago.
Still I enjoy these 'shootouts' - cheers.
yamaha has clear an brighter sound....good for recordings and bands, while casio sound warm surround , perfect for a solo singer. It fills up the song!
That was the best comparison. Thank you! I prefer Casio
I prefer the casio px- s1000. I like the px -s3000 even more because it has more piano variation that sounds even better but I understand that yamaha wasn’t compared to that one.
I have the Privia PX S3000 and it is by far the best piano for sound engineering and performance in its price range imo
Felicitações a todos amantes de musica e piano. Tenho um casio px 350 por alguns anos e gosto muito da ação do teclado. As minhas queixas são quanto a amostra de piano principal no setor medio : dó 4 e região , e percebi que esse detalhe se mantem nesse modelo recente Px-S1000.
Não sei como é a ação do yamaha P125 mas as amostra são mais agradaveis.
Just bought a P121 for me after studying this review. Although the 88-key Casio wasn't really an option due to limited room, fortunately I found the Yamaha's keybed and sound more favorable, and got a good preowned unit dead cheap! Thanks always for your informative & fun videos!
I preferred the Casio on the first piece and the Yamaha on the second one. But as you've said, a real player would adapt to the instrument.
Agreed on both counts.
I like these objective comparison videos - present the instruments and let the viewers/listeners decide which they prefer. Yamaha brighter, Casio warmer. But I give the edge to Yamaha for their stereo field processing. Listening to line-out, it sounds like you're seated in front of a grand piano playing, while the Casio stereo field seems to wander around a bit.
They sound close but found the Yamaha to be a little bit brighter in the sound, the Casio beeing slightly duller. I think they both have a good dynamic range in them.
The new Casio px- s1100 sounds even better that the older s1000 now. I've tried both and the new Casio has better depth and cleaner sound than the p125 in my opinion.
Yamaha seems to "sit" better, and sounds a bit more premium than the Casio. Can't remember what samples they use for the Yamaha (S700?/CF?)
I agree , and Yamaha most definitely has more clout and the re sale value has to be more solid.
Я мало что понимаю в том, что Вы говорите, потому что не знаю английского языка! Но понимаю Вашу музыку и вижу, что Вы интересный, весёлый человек и отличный музыкант! Ваши видео это как глоток свежего воздуха! Спасибо!!!
I don't understand much about what You say, because I don't know English! But I understand Your music and see that You are an interesting, fun person and a great musician! Your videos are like a breath of fresh air! Thanks!!!
I personally love the sound of Yamaha's pianos, thus I prefer the P121 :).
Nothing wrong with the Casio though, really nice sound as well. But I prefer Yamaha's sound.
Agreed!
Sold my casio 120 n bought a Yamaha 125. After playing it for awhile, I miss the sound of the casio so i sold my yamaha n went ahead n bought a casio px3000. Must play both side by side to see the difference.
Try the Roland RP 102
can't go wrong with either sound-wise. I think it comes down to feel and I prefer the Casio keys and action that has escapement.
Does the PX-S1000 really have escapement? I thought that only Roland FP-10 and FP-30 have this feature within that price range.
@@thomaswenger5036 I think you are right.
i think you're right, both are great! they sound very different, but so do two different acoustic grands and one is not better than the other, just different!
@@thomaswenger5036 now that you mention it, I am not sure this one does. I have been on the hunt for an FP-10 and might have confused them.
@@Astronomater I have a hard time deciding between Roland FP-10 and Casio PX-S1000. I prefere the slimness of Casio but the key action of the Roland. Stuck!
The speakers are facing up on the Yamaha but they are at the back of the casio so the mic test isn't really a fair comparison when it's in that position.
i think it's fairest comparison to put the mic roughly where your head would be for both pianos! :)
I'd pick the Yamaha. It sounds more refined and polished but the Casio is surprisingly close. I own a P125 and I feel like Casio sounds "almost" there.
so much value in the px s1000. i recommend u sell your p125 to get a px s1000.. feels soo good playing it. it absolutely punches above its price category.
Woody, finally winter has begun and a lot of snow has fallen. It's time to do a music session on the background of snowdrifts and the winter forest)))
Hi Woody, thanks for this video. Can I ask which keyboard stand are you using with the casio?
Casio has been stepping up lately! Both sound really great!
The Casio sounds a bit more like one is sitting at an acoustic piano playing it in the room, while the Yamaha sounds a bit more like a well-recorded piano.
can you tell us which stand you are using for the casio ? looking for a slim one, or better: re-create the wooden one from the 7000 :D
I would choose CASIO. On the bright tones yamaha does win, but the mellowness of CASIO just blows away my heart.....contrary to YAMAHA, for me the sound of CASIO flutters my heart more.
I have the casio, I feel the same, Casio is more mellow, sounds great. Although I haven't heard Yamaha in real.
You don't have ears, do you?
Thank you for this video, as an audience we can really compare them. After watching too many hours of reviews, I can finally say that there's no MEANINGFUL difference sound-wise between these (especially considering the massive difference in price between these 2 models in my country *one monthly min wage salary of difference*) I will have to test the action myself since there's no accurate way of conveying it. I'm left to wonder the long-term build quality of these and hope that the buttons and keys don't wear too quickly.
I have Yamaha P125, it sounds amazing when you set piano sound to piano variation 3
Does the pxs1000 have a built-in audio interface like the yamaha p125?
i don't remember, please check the specs and let us know!
I hear a more covered, heavier sound on Casio, and a more dry and clean sound from Yamaha which gives me a more precise sound feeling/sensation, I think I prefer Yamaha sound tho I own myself a Casio cause is more affordable
I go with Yamaha, but I must confess a Yamaha bias. :) Btw, it was fun running onto you on Skippy's live stream last week. Cheers, Cliff.
Just thought I would ask an honest piano reviewer like you, how does the glossy plastic on the px 1000 hold up long term? I don't want an instrument getting heavily scratched and ugly when paying so much.
It's not scratch proof, but it is scratch resistant. Holds up pretty well.
I found the line-outs to close to call, but the Casio clearly has the better speakers.
Can you please share the model of the stand you use for Casio PX1000? Looks ready neat, would love to know where to buy it!
brand is roland, model unknown, about 25 years old.
Nice comparison! I've always been a bigger fan of Yamahas keyboard, especially the touch
Hello what’s the recording software you are using please interface seems very nice
reaper!
Thank so much, love it! Does P121 Yamaha can be used as a MIDI Controller using USB port to PC. I use reaper, thank Woody
Just bought P125, and using it as MIDI controller 👍
I can hear low pitches on the left side, high pitches on the right side through Casio. But there's no like this in Yamaha. I think Yamaha focused on sound quality. And Casio focused on performance.
That's very interesting about the stereo. I wasn't listening for that, but it's an important consideration if you want to gig your portable piano.
Over-reliance on stereo is a bummer on all but the smallest stages, because it comes out as mono once you connect to the main PA. Even the pianist may have difficulty hearing himself in stereo unless he has his own PA or the venue is so intimate that the built-in speakers serve as monitors. I always wonder what imperfections a manufacturer is trying to conceal with stereo trickery.
At this pricepoint (well below 1000 euros) gigs are probably not the main application, fortunately. I don't recommend spending more than say 1300 euros on any portable piano. It's better to get a stage piano.
Those slim Yamaha P121 keys are unacceptable in my opinion. Great video!
hello. may i ask, which one had tuts feel, near pressing acoustic piano tuts
a draw
Firstly congratulations to you for the channel .. really liked the simple and yet so useful review of the product .. actually I am thinking of buying this piano for myself so I have a few things to ask ..
1. Would it be better to wait for some time expecting Yamaha to launch the successor of this model (2018)in the near future looking at their trend in timeline ( every 3 years ) and also because ‘summer NAMM 2020’ is just around the corner ?
2. Although I am not much experienced in this but from all what I could research I understood that ‘Action of the keys’ and ‘sound quality’ are the two most important things .. so I would be so thankful if you share your experience a little more elaborately .. is the ‘GHS action’ and those ‘7 watt amplifiers’ and 4 speakers sufficient enough to give that ‘FEEL’ ? .. are there some other options in the same price range which I should consider ?
Tbh I'm not sure if I'm describing it well, but I feel like the casio voices "don't blend" together on the final sound and that's what causes the weird "artificial sound" effect some say, can someone confirm feeling something like that too?
Hello Woody! Could you tell me what stand that is being used on the Casio?
old roland table-top style stand, don't know the model name
Similar but I think Yamahas are always too bright.
Why don't you compare the Yamaha 121 against the Roland RP102???????
It is very difficult to be sure from TH-cam which sounds better. The Casio has a hall or ambience feature - not sure if the Yamaha has. This is demonstrated on some other videos. That makes a significant difference to the sound, and can give the Casio more apparent power. To get that effect and change the sounds one has to read the manual, and use the key codes. At times the Yamaha seems to have a bit more depth at the very low bass end - more like a Steinway, but there's perhaps not much in it. Experimenting with the ambience effects on the Casio may give players a sound they like, though maybe the "Steinway bass" can only be achieved with the Yamaha. Perhaps cost and availability are the main criteria right now.
Additionally, under normal circumstances it should be possible to go to a piano store and try out the keyboards which would at least also give some impression of the weight and feel of the instruments, but for most of the last year (2020) and all of this year so far, this has not been possible due to quarantine restrictions, and since some of us may want to have an instrument to help us get through the year, decisions will probably have to be made without a hands on assessment.
Most reviews seem to suggest that these instruments are overall close in sound and features. The Casio is nice and slim and can fit in small spaces, and it can also be used with batteries if that is something one wants. Pianists who want to perform live might prefer other models - such as the Casio PX S3000, as they have lights and a screen which enable fast mode changes, whereas both the pianos here work with codes from the instruction book files. The Yamaha does have buttons for instrument changes. However, the Casio PX S3000 does cost more and takes up more space. It also has a few other features for Midi - a control wheel and extra control buttons.The same will probably be true for other stage pianos.
This is where people will show their brand bias. The reality is, they both sound extremely similar to me and the biggest problem I have with either of them is the speaker configuration. The Casio volume will sound lower than it is, because they point it away from you and I returned a Px-870 because of this problem and that’s a win for Yamaha.
On the other hand, Yamaha not using their CFX samples and VRM technology in the 125 really gives the Casio an edge in dynamic range and it shows in visualization of the sound waves, as the Casio was often more full. Yes they sound similar, but having some physical modeling can smooth out the looping sounds.
The Yamaha sounds brighter, richer and much more detailed to me.
I haven't tried either of these but right now I'm happy with the variety of pianos on the iGrand app although finding a controller with good piano like key action in an affordable price can be a challenge. The better action boards usually come with a good selection of onboard pianos and you don't have to worry too much about software updates and operating system issues. I might try both of these hardware brands at my local instrument store. Mostly for the key action and midi utility so I can still use my ios apps if I want. I've read that the Casio may have a slightly lighter action than the Yamaha, which might be better for me.
Does anyone know what kind of stand that is for the Casio px s1000?
CS-68 is the stand for the privia pxs1000 and px3000
@@abcdefg1626 The one hes using in the video looks like it has 4 leggs. Doesnt look like the cs 68
@@valheart4399 might be true
Yamaha - treble boosted in comparison = sounded thinner.
Casio - more mid/lows sounded warmer.
BOTH sound nice though. - Q. similar price?
very similar I think!
Yamaha sounds so good... but when i heard Casio i have goosebumps.. But both are incredibly good!
Thanks Woody
It's clipping on the louder sections and distorting through my speakers.
Just lower the gain - you don't need that waves limiter.
Casio in real life sounds better - my friend has one - but I agree with that midi file the yamaha sounds better.
Casio sounds terrible here not sure why - definitely in stereo?
Appreciate your enthusiasm and playing 👍🏻
definitely no clipping, check your playback chain, try another device. you always need a peak limiter, otherwise the volume will be far too quiet.
As MIDI cntrlr Yamaha is good?
both will send basic midi data over usb
The best review
Yamaha on this one Woody. A much better sound to work with. There seems to be an issue with the generic bit rate on the Casio. I appreciate that this is not to do with the way that it has been recorded by you, as you have recorded them both identically. The overall sound quality of the Casio is not quite there - dynamically and tonally. Cheers.
To my (untrained) ear and looking at the graphs, the Casio seems to have more sustain? Although the Yamaha seems brighter, but I guess the different Gnd Piano options with the Casio could alter that significantly?
good point, nothing I noticed whilst playing. could also perhaps be more reverb, I suppose you could adjust or choose different pianos, but not sure the effect would be significant.
as for me, even through laptop speakers, the Yamaha sounds more beautiful because the sound seems brighter.
The casio has a brighter sound. Yamaha sounds a little flatter too me. I tried both out in a music store.
The Yamaha sounds a bit flatter/compressed and noticeably brighter through its line-outs versus the Casio through my AKG K553.
I think YAMAHA won this battle
But what would they have sounded like layered together?
i imagine they would cancel out to some extent and sound horrible! i missed a trick there!
@@WoodyPianoShack A Kurzweil K2500 is on my wishlist.
Which action do you prefer?
i'd say both are kinda compromised due to cost cutting, both plasticky with shortish keys, both are fun to play though and get the job done, not much to choose between them really.
@@WoodyPianoShack thanks for the honest feedback! Do you think the slightly more expensive workstations such as the korg kross 2 offer anything more as far as action and piano sound quality go?
Casio could NEVER compete with Yamaha. P E R I O D
The Yamaha sounds more realistic to me. The Casio is good, but does it have little inconsistencies every now and then?
Very interesting comparison. Maybe it's just me, but this is what I hear. I think Casio has fuller detail via the line output. I hear more overtones like hammer, body and string resonance. But the built in speakers are far better on Yamaha.
But that's not the real difference. The diiference between any two hammer action digital piano are a way too smaller by a factor or two, than the difference between a non-hammer action keyboard and any hammer action digital piano.
I don't know anything about the resonance types (I'm an beginner keyboardist) but I had the same feel. The Casio sounds brighter and more detailed in the line outputs. In the speakers my choice is the Yamaha, they sound direct to the player and thus has more volume and bass.
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Confession: I’ve just started the video, but I’m shocked at how stubby the Yamaha keys are.
Comments suggest most people like the sound on the yammy better, but the contrast on the key size is stunning.
rob b - outstanding!
i do that all the time! keys are a bit shorter yeah! checked out a kawai grand the other day and was quite surprised how short the keys are!
Another refreshingly different video concept from Woody.
And it's so nice to hear the word "real" in connection with a real (live) musician instead of as a way of distinguishing "real" (acoustic) pianos from "fake/toy" (digital) pianos. Yes, my point is that they are all real pianos and it's time that certain other reviewers got up-to-date on that.
The test confirmed what I had already noticed recently. The main piano sounds of Yamaha and Casio are not very different in character (not in these models) but the Yamaha built-in speakers are vastly superior.
Actually, I prefer these piano sounds (both brands) to those of the Roland FP offerings, probably because I have Yamaha ears 🤣having owned 4 Yamaha digital pianos.
But Yamaha needs to improve the actions on all models sub 1000 euro. The GHS action is outdated. The P-125 needs more features or a lower price tag, but the P-121 (featured here) has a fair price IMO. And 73 keys are enough on an entry level piano.
Close call for me but definitely better sound from YAMAHA speakers
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Ok - listened all the way through - and I find that the Yamaha sounds consistantly brighter. It almost sounds like the difference between playing a grand with the top open and then closed..... The Casio sounds good but I’d have to add some extra processing to bring it up to the Yamaha’s standard....
I prefer the Yamaha
The Casio sounds darker and more mono, compared to the Yamaha.
More mono hhhh
Yamaha P 125 tem uma presença sonora mais adequada, porém o Casio é mais leve e mais barato, além de possui bluetooth. Perfeito para a estrada!!!
Yamaha has way better speakers. On the direct piano the Yamaha sounds warmer too imo
I prefer the casio.
Warmer piano sound on Yamaha
O piano da Casio lembro Triple Strike Piano da Kurzweil
Eu iria de casio
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Yamaha the best!
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Yamaha sounds better, Casio sounds more artificial somehow. Probably has something to do with the way it emulates various piano resonances. What makes ot bard to compare because the samples are different. In any case Casio is wonderful for its price.
Agreed
Yamaha's sampled piano is much more realistic.
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Yamaha wins on this one.
I got a Roland RP 102 and it will blow both them out the water.
still yamaha 😗
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it's all a hoax, Casio is more technological than Yamaha, if that can be more finely tuned on the instrument itself
yamaha sounds more organic ...
yamaha wins this time hands down, sorry casio
This is click bait, as the presenter has already indicated, the comparison is flawed, cos a real piano player, responds to each piano and adjusts their playing! Also flawed cos he's using a limiter (Waves L2) so you are not always hearing exactly what each piano produced in loud passages. The Internet really has no standards. No editorial scrutiny, no opportunities to redact, or address errata, once its published that's it...all for clicks and cash. About time I stopped watching all these contrived videos that do not really tell me the whole truth !! And it does not tell you anything about how it feels to actually play them which is probably as important as the sound...
But seriously all these cheap - produced to a low cost pianos, have a terrible keybed feel, if you are serious about improving or enjoying your piano playing, simply avoid, for non portable digital pianos, you are unlikely to get anything decent until you spend about £3000 to £5000, and for portable keyboards, just get a stage piano such as the Yamaha CP88, or Roland RD 2000, or Nord Grand, which cost between £1700 and £2700 approx. Trying to save money on these cheapies is a total waste of time, they sound terrible in real life, with horrible in-built tinny speakers, and their keybed is a joke - and this applies to all the manufacturers - Kawai, Roland, Yamaha, Korg. If you want to play nice, and sound nice, you will have to spend some big bucks....A they say buy once and cry once...
Middle of the road exceptions which could get the job done, are the Roland FP90 for about £1250, anything less capable is a joke piano...
on my channel you'll find another video describing in huge detail the other features of both these pianos, and even comparing action to grand piano. regarding the peak limiter, that is essential, or would you prefer to listen to a very quiet video with as recorded with -12db headroom, or would you prefer that I just push up the volume without any limiter so you either get clipping, or have the transients at 0db so that everything else is inaudible (well, really quiet unless you crank up your volume!? L2 is only pulling down an occasional transient as you can see on the video. Remember also that TH-cam is transcoding and normalizing audio files. My goal was to give the viewer and potential buyers a comparison of the character of the two pianos, which is valuable for those that are unable to try themselves. Interesting and useful feedback though, thanks for the comment! :)